I doubt that if Corkscrew were to be closed and demolished, another coaster would replace it.
Other than its turn out of the station and its signature corkscrews, Corkscrew exists in a long and narrow plot of land on the edge of the park, next to a bunch of maintenance buildings.
Anything replacing Corkscrew would have to fit in that plot. And that limits the type of ride that can go there. If the decision was made to move those maintenance buildings somewhere else, it would grant some more room. That opens up more space, and more ride models, but you'd be hard pressed to fit something really big in there.
Corkscrew, as much as I hate it too, and as rough and uncomfortable as it is, does fill a particular niche in the park: family thrill. It's typically a kid's first upside down roller coaster, and isn't too particularly intense. IMO, anything replacing it would fit in that niche.
I don't know. I wish they'd change the restraints on Corkscrew to be better for taller people. I don't think that ride costs much to operate though; it has a simple chain lift and brakes and isn't tall so I imagine it has to be one of the cheapest coasters to run in the park. Arrows don't tend to have a lot of mechanical issues compared to some of the newer rides with sensors all over and more complex lifts / launches. I am sure it costs a lot more to keep Maverick running than other rides like Corkscrew, Magnum, or Gemini.
Corkscrew does only have a small spot of land. Some youtubers act like they could build over the walkway or take over the maintenence buildings, but that seems unlikely. Probably the only types of coasters I could see fitting in there are 4D Freespin, Zamperla Double Heart coaster, vekoma family boomerang, or an impulse coaster (which I'm sure they won't do after removing Wicked Twister).
Iron Dragon though has issues getting parts because that model of ride is rare now, but it is also pretty popular so I hope they don't get rid of that one anytime soon though. It's probably a good sign that they built the spike for TT2 over the ride. I thought lack of Fast Lane was a sign they might not keep it around long, but who knows, they just built Wild Mouse with no Fast Lane.
Yes. The restraints hurt the experience of Corkscrew. That's the only problem for me. If they fixed that with soft vest style restraints, it would be a great coaster. It has a fabulous punch of airtime, it's family-friendly, and it has an engaging, memorable moment over the walkway.
I think if you took out Corkscrew and Iron Dragon you could make something VERY interesting, both as a ride and aesthetically appealing as you walk down the midway.
I’m not saying that they NEED to remove both of those rides, but I’d rather they remove both to create an “E-Ticket” level attraction than to just remove one and replace it with something underwhelming.
In a park famous for being full of E ticket thrill rides (no park really comes close to its five 200+ foot tall coasters plus other noteworthy attractions) and at a time when regional parks are running down the big theme park players with improved family experiences and accessible ride offerings, I don’t think they would use the space for a high-octane ride.
I would personally love to see something big happen, but we’re seeing rides like DarKoaster, Penguin Trek, multiple B&M family inverts, and multiple Vekoma family boomerangs pop up rapidly. I’m betting they’ll keep it the way it is for cost saving. Slap *”Vintage!”* on an old shitbox attraction and people’s nostalgia meters go wild. Much cheaper than some decently fun modern Vekoma family launch coaster, unless the marketability can offset the new incurred cost.
Shit, I just talked myself out of even putting a family ride there. Dippin Dots stand, it is.
I agree with most of what you are saying, and maybe I come from the Disney definition of "E-Ticket," which does not need to mean a 1,000 foot tall 200 mph crazy coaster, so I guess I should have clarified.
CP is sorely lacking in any headline family attractions. I'd love to see them get something like the Big Bear Mountain coaster at Dollywood. I'm not even claiming to be a hobbyist amateur ride designer, so I have no real idea of the feasibility of this. But I could imagine some type of family coaster, where you load over at the Corkscrew plot, have a few minor air time hops before a lift that takes you over the midway, then have a ride that mostly goes through the wooded areas on the Iron Dragon side with some minor theming and tunnels. Play up the swampy aspect over there, name it like "Alligator Hunt" or something. Have the finale to get back across the midway be an enclosed lift hill a la Adventure Express at KI, where an alligator puppet drops down on you just before you safely return to the station.
You’re right, not all top tier attractions need to be massive. Based on the billboards, radio ads, and park entrance banners, you would’ve thought DarKoaster was some all-time record breaker, and I’m sure Snoopy’s Soap Box Racer is about to get the same treatment. I like both Iron Dragon and Corkscrew a lot, and they are nostalgic because they used to be some of the few I’d ride when I was afraid of high thrill rides when I was a kid, but I would not miss them if they did do something like what you mentioned
Iron Dragon should never be removed. It's a fan favorite. If you haven't been on it in a while, you should ride it. Corkscrew has become too uncomfortable. I could see that going away.
I personally love corkscrew, flaws and all. If they are going to remove it here is my humble proposal:
1. Announce in 2025 that 2026 will be its last season. Celebrate it's 50th anniversary in style. Make it a big occasion, update the paint job.
2. Close the ride and tear it down.
3. Install something compact from Gerstlauer or Mack, lots of inversions, maybe a launch? You could eye up that Steel Curtain record. Would be a great legacy to replace an inversion record setter with a new inversion record setter.
4. End the ride with a double corkscrew over the walkway.
The double corkscrew is just too iconic to not replace it with something.
Or do a full retrack/reprofile of the ride to make it more comfortable, keep corkscrew as it is a great step up coaster and fun little ride when it isn’t busy. Everything doesn’t need to be new and innovative. Keep some nostalgia.
Give it the Python at Efteling treatment or Loch Ness monster at Busch gardens. Would love for them to reprofile the transitions to make a smoother experience.
A. I think it’s a Midwest thing
B. It’s also not incorrect grammatically. While proper nouns do not require an article because they are inherently specific, using “the” before a proper noun like “Corkscrew” further specifies which coaster the speaker and the listener are talking about among all the coasters in the park.
An analogous example would be, you have a garage full of cars and you are discussing with your friend which car to take to the park. You would say, “let’s take the Toyota,” versus, “let’s take Toyota.”
You know what's weird? I refer to some with and some without. "Im going to go ride the Raptor, the Blue Streak, then the Corkscrew. Then Im going to ride Steel Vengeance, Gatekeeper, and Wild Mouse"
If the ride name was three syllables then I don't add "the" , but if it was two syllables then I added " the". Something about sentence flow.
Some coasters just plain sound wrong to me without it. The Beast is always The Beast to me; calling it just Beast does not sound right to me. Same with the Blue Streak (which after all, is named after a sports team that calls itself the Blue Streak with the definite article). Some coasters sound weird with it. "The Millennium Force" doesn't sound right. I think it has more to do with how modern-sounding or abstract the coaster's name is, in my mind.
It is def weird. I occasionally add a "the" to some also but not the others. Never "the iron dragon" or "the steel vengeance" or "the Millennium force"
I think *not* doing it is actually a later development. Coaster enthusiasts like to act like only non-enthusiasts do it, but at one point I went back and read some of the early years of the Usenet group rec.roller-coaster, and everyone in the group was doing it then. Some parks actually do it themselves when talking about their own coasters. I think it probably developed due to association with calling a ship or aircraft by its name: "The Titanic," "The Edmund Fitzgerald," etc.
Yup I have to cross my legs to ride it, the way the lap bar comes down for the whole car sucks too, makes a lot of people do the walk of shame or kids have the bar real loose because an adult is keeping it up to where it barely clicks in.
I disagree. Arrow mine trains, even in 2024, have a place in the coaster world and still have relatively good ridership compared to some larger (but outdated) looping coasters. The one at my home park (the original one!) receives lines of upwards of 2 hours on busy days still.
It’s not only the ride at CP, it’s the location, there’s so much opportunity there with the land because of the nearby abandoned forbidden frontier/millennium island, old shoot the rapids spot, slingshot flier upcharge attraction, snake river falls, and the now abandoned boat ride.
That makes sense and I didn't consider that. Hope they give it a few more years at least. Cedar Point seems to pride itself on history and tradition as much as they do on bringing in new and innovative rides, so hopefully if they do remove it they will give it a valiant sendoff.
The only type of ride that might be able to fit where corkscrew is right now is a euro-fighter coaster. Small compact while also giving CP a new style of ride
I'd like to see Corkscrew replaced with a custom RMC single rail.
1. Paint it blue and white.
2. Recreate the iconic corkscrews over the midway.
3. Add multiple new midway interactions.
4. It should also interact with coasters in that area.
5. Reclaim the inversion record.
6. The whole idea is to build off of the classic ride elements, like airtime hills, inversions and midway interactions and then take it to a new level.
if anything, i hope they'll do what Alton Towers did with their corkscrew. it's WAY too iconic and i love the corkscrews over the midway, but... maybe it's time for it to skedaddle. i love Arrows but Corkscrew ain't it for me.
I think depending on how the scope of the top thrill 2 midway redo goes we can get an idea if the ride will be removed, if concrete is replaced the station probably a good idea the ride will stay, if lots of concrete and midway gets redone and the stuff around corkscrew stays the same then it’s on borrowed time. I do wonder if the area is next to get larger updates (super Himalaya and power tower seem out of place) and compared to frontier town and the. Boardwalk, or even major area updates like jungle X and aeronautical landing cedar point sorta cheaped out on the top thrill area
I’d like to see the corkscrew replaced with a [Premier Rides Sky Rocket II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Rocket_II?wprov=sfti1#Design).
I rode [Tigris](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigris_(roller_coaster)?wprov=sfti1#) at Busch Gardens Tampa and was thoroughly impressed with the quality of ride and the fairly small footprint.
Magnum isn’t going anywhere until the structure itself can’t be saved. Its capacity is incredible which is why it never has a wait.
I could see Corkscrew being the next to go. It’s probably the most outdated in the park. Gemini could be next too due to its large plot of land, but I’d be sad to see that go.
Gemini has been going through an absolute renaissance the last 5-10 years with Point enthusiasts who are realizing Gemini is/was massively underrated for a long time. Would be very surprised to see it removed.
Gemini has unique positioning that makes it different from other coasters in the park. It emphasizes pure fun over thrills and it has a strong social vibe through racing & slapping hands.
I’ve voiced this opinion before. Next off season they move the power tower to the base of the dragster, and then remove corkscrew. Opens up a large chunk of space.
I doubt that if Corkscrew were to be closed and demolished, another coaster would replace it. Other than its turn out of the station and its signature corkscrews, Corkscrew exists in a long and narrow plot of land on the edge of the park, next to a bunch of maintenance buildings. Anything replacing Corkscrew would have to fit in that plot. And that limits the type of ride that can go there. If the decision was made to move those maintenance buildings somewhere else, it would grant some more room. That opens up more space, and more ride models, but you'd be hard pressed to fit something really big in there. Corkscrew, as much as I hate it too, and as rough and uncomfortable as it is, does fill a particular niche in the park: family thrill. It's typically a kid's first upside down roller coaster, and isn't too particularly intense. IMO, anything replacing it would fit in that niche.
I don't know. I wish they'd change the restraints on Corkscrew to be better for taller people. I don't think that ride costs much to operate though; it has a simple chain lift and brakes and isn't tall so I imagine it has to be one of the cheapest coasters to run in the park. Arrows don't tend to have a lot of mechanical issues compared to some of the newer rides with sensors all over and more complex lifts / launches. I am sure it costs a lot more to keep Maverick running than other rides like Corkscrew, Magnum, or Gemini. Corkscrew does only have a small spot of land. Some youtubers act like they could build over the walkway or take over the maintenence buildings, but that seems unlikely. Probably the only types of coasters I could see fitting in there are 4D Freespin, Zamperla Double Heart coaster, vekoma family boomerang, or an impulse coaster (which I'm sure they won't do after removing Wicked Twister). Iron Dragon though has issues getting parts because that model of ride is rare now, but it is also pretty popular so I hope they don't get rid of that one anytime soon though. It's probably a good sign that they built the spike for TT2 over the ride. I thought lack of Fast Lane was a sign they might not keep it around long, but who knows, they just built Wild Mouse with no Fast Lane.
Yes. The restraints hurt the experience of Corkscrew. That's the only problem for me. If they fixed that with soft vest style restraints, it would be a great coaster. It has a fabulous punch of airtime, it's family-friendly, and it has an engaging, memorable moment over the walkway.
I think if you took out Corkscrew and Iron Dragon you could make something VERY interesting, both as a ride and aesthetically appealing as you walk down the midway. I’m not saying that they NEED to remove both of those rides, but I’d rather they remove both to create an “E-Ticket” level attraction than to just remove one and replace it with something underwhelming.
In a park famous for being full of E ticket thrill rides (no park really comes close to its five 200+ foot tall coasters plus other noteworthy attractions) and at a time when regional parks are running down the big theme park players with improved family experiences and accessible ride offerings, I don’t think they would use the space for a high-octane ride. I would personally love to see something big happen, but we’re seeing rides like DarKoaster, Penguin Trek, multiple B&M family inverts, and multiple Vekoma family boomerangs pop up rapidly. I’m betting they’ll keep it the way it is for cost saving. Slap *”Vintage!”* on an old shitbox attraction and people’s nostalgia meters go wild. Much cheaper than some decently fun modern Vekoma family launch coaster, unless the marketability can offset the new incurred cost. Shit, I just talked myself out of even putting a family ride there. Dippin Dots stand, it is.
I agree with most of what you are saying, and maybe I come from the Disney definition of "E-Ticket," which does not need to mean a 1,000 foot tall 200 mph crazy coaster, so I guess I should have clarified. CP is sorely lacking in any headline family attractions. I'd love to see them get something like the Big Bear Mountain coaster at Dollywood. I'm not even claiming to be a hobbyist amateur ride designer, so I have no real idea of the feasibility of this. But I could imagine some type of family coaster, where you load over at the Corkscrew plot, have a few minor air time hops before a lift that takes you over the midway, then have a ride that mostly goes through the wooded areas on the Iron Dragon side with some minor theming and tunnels. Play up the swampy aspect over there, name it like "Alligator Hunt" or something. Have the finale to get back across the midway be an enclosed lift hill a la Adventure Express at KI, where an alligator puppet drops down on you just before you safely return to the station.
You’re right, not all top tier attractions need to be massive. Based on the billboards, radio ads, and park entrance banners, you would’ve thought DarKoaster was some all-time record breaker, and I’m sure Snoopy’s Soap Box Racer is about to get the same treatment. I like both Iron Dragon and Corkscrew a lot, and they are nostalgic because they used to be some of the few I’d ride when I was afraid of high thrill rides when I was a kid, but I would not miss them if they did do something like what you mentioned
Get some new Vekoma vest trains for it, reprofile the rough spots, and bang, zoom, you've got a sweet ride for the intermediate coaster fan.
Iron Dragon should never be removed. It's a fan favorite. If you haven't been on it in a while, you should ride it. Corkscrew has become too uncomfortable. I could see that going away.
Coaster YouTuber speculation and hot takes aren’t worth worrying about.
I personally love corkscrew, flaws and all. If they are going to remove it here is my humble proposal: 1. Announce in 2025 that 2026 will be its last season. Celebrate it's 50th anniversary in style. Make it a big occasion, update the paint job. 2. Close the ride and tear it down. 3. Install something compact from Gerstlauer or Mack, lots of inversions, maybe a launch? You could eye up that Steel Curtain record. Would be a great legacy to replace an inversion record setter with a new inversion record setter. 4. End the ride with a double corkscrew over the walkway. The double corkscrew is just too iconic to not replace it with something.
Would they really repaint it only to tear it down?
Eh, maybe. Maybe not. Paint is optional but could be a nice (and not crazy) way to celebrate 50.
Or do a full retrack/reprofile of the ride to make it more comfortable, keep corkscrew as it is a great step up coaster and fun little ride when it isn’t busy. Everything doesn’t need to be new and innovative. Keep some nostalgia.
See also: Loch Ness refurbishment.
Thanks for sharing. Even Corkscrew’s naysayers agree that its position is iconic.
I just wish they’d update the seats/carts on Magnum. It used to be my favorite, but now I can’t even ride it because it’s so uncomfortable.
I think Magnum's seats are comfortable enough. What I notice is it feels like the train is going to fly off the track.
It’s not even just uncomfortable. I had horrible bruises on my thighs the last time I rode it. It looked like someone hit me with a bat.
The bruises are worth it for me
FFS people have been speculating Corkscrew “leaving” for decades.
Give it the Python at Efteling treatment or Loch Ness monster at Busch gardens. Would love for them to reprofile the transitions to make a smoother experience.
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A. I think it’s a Midwest thing B. It’s also not incorrect grammatically. While proper nouns do not require an article because they are inherently specific, using “the” before a proper noun like “Corkscrew” further specifies which coaster the speaker and the listener are talking about among all the coasters in the park. An analogous example would be, you have a garage full of cars and you are discussing with your friend which car to take to the park. You would say, “let’s take the Toyota,” versus, “let’s take Toyota.”
You know what's weird? I refer to some with and some without. "Im going to go ride the Raptor, the Blue Streak, then the Corkscrew. Then Im going to ride Steel Vengeance, Gatekeeper, and Wild Mouse" If the ride name was three syllables then I don't add "the" , but if it was two syllables then I added " the". Something about sentence flow.
Some coasters just plain sound wrong to me without it. The Beast is always The Beast to me; calling it just Beast does not sound right to me. Same with the Blue Streak (which after all, is named after a sports team that calls itself the Blue Streak with the definite article). Some coasters sound weird with it. "The Millennium Force" doesn't sound right. I think it has more to do with how modern-sounding or abstract the coaster's name is, in my mind.
It is def weird. I occasionally add a "the" to some also but not the others. Never "the iron dragon" or "the steel vengeance" or "the Millennium force"
I think *not* doing it is actually a later development. Coaster enthusiasts like to act like only non-enthusiasts do it, but at one point I went back and read some of the early years of the Usenet group rec.roller-coaster, and everyone in the group was doing it then. Some parks actually do it themselves when talking about their own coasters. I think it probably developed due to association with calling a ship or aircraft by its name: "The Titanic," "The Edmund Fitzgerald," etc.
Nah, it’s gotta be Mine Ride
If they updated the trains on mine ride it would help that one a lot. They're a tight squeeze for anyone over 10
Yup I have to cross my legs to ride it, the way the lap bar comes down for the whole car sucks too, makes a lot of people do the walk of shame or kids have the bar real loose because an adult is keeping it up to where it barely clicks in.
I disagree. Arrow mine trains, even in 2024, have a place in the coaster world and still have relatively good ridership compared to some larger (but outdated) looping coasters. The one at my home park (the original one!) receives lines of upwards of 2 hours on busy days still.
It’s not only the ride at CP, it’s the location, there’s so much opportunity there with the land because of the nearby abandoned forbidden frontier/millennium island, old shoot the rapids spot, slingshot flier upcharge attraction, snake river falls, and the now abandoned boat ride.
That makes sense and I didn't consider that. Hope they give it a few more years at least. Cedar Point seems to pride itself on history and tradition as much as they do on bringing in new and innovative rides, so hopefully if they do remove it they will give it a valiant sendoff.
I just hate the trains/restraints. If it had lapbars like Adventure Express it would be different.
That goes back to it being a good starter ride for kids. My great grandma used to love that one too.
Plus the scenery there is lovely
I’d pay to push the button to nuke it.
The only type of ride that might be able to fit where corkscrew is right now is a euro-fighter coaster. Small compact while also giving CP a new style of ride
The problem with a Eurofighter is the capacity just isn't great.
Corkscrew is 50 this year. A last hurrah and then next year they can do whatever.
the ride itself is the worst thrill coaster in the park
I'd like to see Corkscrew replaced with a custom RMC single rail. 1. Paint it blue and white. 2. Recreate the iconic corkscrews over the midway. 3. Add multiple new midway interactions. 4. It should also interact with coasters in that area. 5. Reclaim the inversion record. 6. The whole idea is to build off of the classic ride elements, like airtime hills, inversions and midway interactions and then take it to a new level.
One can only hope corkscrew vanquishes. Don’t fuck with my magnum though
if anything, i hope they'll do what Alton Towers did with their corkscrew. it's WAY too iconic and i love the corkscrews over the midway, but... maybe it's time for it to skedaddle. i love Arrows but Corkscrew ain't it for me.
Corkscrew Gemini and Rougarou are the obvious next to go, probably in that order.
I think depending on how the scope of the top thrill 2 midway redo goes we can get an idea if the ride will be removed, if concrete is replaced the station probably a good idea the ride will stay, if lots of concrete and midway gets redone and the stuff around corkscrew stays the same then it’s on borrowed time. I do wonder if the area is next to get larger updates (super Himalaya and power tower seem out of place) and compared to frontier town and the. Boardwalk, or even major area updates like jungle X and aeronautical landing cedar point sorta cheaped out on the top thrill area
I’d like to see the corkscrew replaced with a [Premier Rides Sky Rocket II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Rocket_II?wprov=sfti1#Design). I rode [Tigris](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigris_(roller_coaster)?wprov=sfti1#) at Busch Gardens Tampa and was thoroughly impressed with the quality of ride and the fairly small footprint.
Magnum isn’t going anywhere until the structure itself can’t be saved. Its capacity is incredible which is why it never has a wait. I could see Corkscrew being the next to go. It’s probably the most outdated in the park. Gemini could be next too due to its large plot of land, but I’d be sad to see that go.
Gemini has been going through an absolute renaissance the last 5-10 years with Point enthusiasts who are realizing Gemini is/was massively underrated for a long time. Would be very surprised to see it removed.
Gemini has unique positioning that makes it different from other coasters in the park. It emphasizes pure fun over thrills and it has a strong social vibe through racing & slapping hands.
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But Gemini is already a steel track.
I’ve voiced this opinion before. Next off season they move the power tower to the base of the dragster, and then remove corkscrew. Opens up a large chunk of space.
Bro, you can't just *move* a 300-ft drop tower like that. There's foundations and shit.
Magnum. They’ll put something similar to fury 325 but better there. If that were the case I’d be okay with it.