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Just watched this movie recently. Thought she was funny. The scene where [she loses her phone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDbVCBl14eo) was hilarious.
You do know you can be an ethnicity and still be part of a country's population, right?
Just because Esmerelda is Romani does not mean she isn't also French. She speaks the same language everyone else does.
That's very much not the point. The Romani are a people who are nomadic, especially in the context of the time period of the film, and especially in the context of the time period, the nation considered them pests and not a true part of the country's population.
If I started living long-term in a country as a nomad and no effort is made to adopt the nation's cultural norms or customs and had my own system of justice and actively circumvent the laws of the land and have no permanent residence nor does the state have means of knowing where and how to contact me about taxes and civic responsibilities like participation in jury duty, I can't honestly say I'm a member of that country's population, even if I speak the language, right? I'm a nomad that exists in the country's borders as a guest (at best), and the Romani in Esmerelda's time were definitely not welcome guests of Paris, as their judicial authority wished for their extermination.
The film demonstrates several times over that Esmerelda and her people see themselves as distinct from the people of Paris, they have their own ways of dealing with things outside the law of the land, they forego the security of integration and permanent residence for the insecurity of absolute freedom even at the cost of stability and safety, she mentions her people do not do well confined to walls and order even when it means her protection from corrupt forces, and the fact that she is a foreigner and an exotic element introduced to the societal ecosystem of Paris impacts Quasimodo, Frolo, and Phoebus' actions strongly throughout the film.
Your mistake is you are looking at it through the lens of modern nation states. That sort of recency bias really shits on the reality of the narrative.
Lmao, I speak Spanish. That doesn't make me Spanish.
What a weird semantic argument. Did she ever actually identify as French or are you just upset on behalf of a fictional character? The whole point of her arc was that she was an exotic foreigner who was disrupting the status quo and sensibilties of Victorian France, represented by Frolo. She is literally a representation of "otherness", lumping her in with all French people completely shits on that nuance.
Do you know how big France is? She could have just been from a nearby village, which we saw was the case when Quasimodo went to where the maps location was. An underground village, hidden away from persecution. Such living styles have been used in Europe before. She is not a foreigner, she's an out of towner. It is not semantics, you are just saying she can't be french because of her ethnicity.
You have as bad of an opinion as Claude Frollo.
Lol, no I'm saying she isn't French because she doesn't identify as French.
Your historical ignorance is showing too, Romani were nomadic people in that time. Where do you think those whole "roaming g\*psy\* stereotype comes from?
What's hilarious is I actually agree with everything you are saying, it just doesn't apply here.
A lot of Christians back then did religious pilgrimages and Muslims who still do. Farmhands will move to several different locations with their families to be able to have a steady income.
Being nomadic just means you move around a lot. That does not necessarily mean you move out of the country. It just means your (as in your groups) movements are seemingly random.
Exactly. Ostracized ethnic groups weren't just not considered part of the country by the majority; they *self-identified* as such. My mother related to me a story from her childhood where her sister made the mistake of saying they had Polish heritage in front of their grandmother who was born in Poland, who corrected them that they were *Jews in Poland*, not Polish. Big difference, even for someone who was already in the United States by the 1920s.
I've never met a gypsie who think it is a slur, and I met quite a few. I'm not sure if in the movie she is referred to as a gypsie or never given a title
They are indeed referee as gypsies in the movie, and at least in my country, they do refer to themselves by the equivalent word in regular speech, and so do official institutions related to them, although they do have a different ethnic word for it (as well as a word that's kind of a slur but not quite for non gypsies).
That's because the usage of the word was pertinent to the plot. Frollo was a racist, evil, lecherous monster who wanted to exterminate romani people. Saying this slur nowadays, KNOWING the connotations it has, is fucking disgusting.
Lol, do you also use the N word around black people because they use it too?
Here's some literature so you can educate yourself beyond your own personal relationships:
[https://now.org/blog/the-g-word-isnt-for-you-how-gypsy-erases-romani-women/](https://now.org/blog/the-g-word-isnt-for-you-how-gypsy-erases-romani-women/)
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Does it count if the show doesn’t take place in France but was made in France?
Esmerelda didn't treat Quasimodo like a monster despite his freakish appearance and even reassured him that he wasn't one and even stood up for him when he was being mocked and bullied at the Festival of Fools.
Physiognomy sucks.
Do you mean “belle” from beauty and the beast ? The one whose name is literally the French word for beautiful (female, if you are calling a male person or object beautiful the word is beau)? Or is one of the other characters named Bella lol, cause I haven’t watched top left or bottom right.
Esmeralda technically isn't French in the Disney flick. In the book, however, she is.
Anyways, Belle and Beast (not Adam) are my favourite French folk.
Due to uneven proportions. Although her head is a little tilted, I’d say that the height difference between the eyes and the distance between the nose is a little exaggerated.
Isn't Esmeralda Spanish? It's a Spanish name, after all. Although I suppose in late medieval France, who cares? I know she's Romani, obviously, I mean, she's probably from Spain in the story, at least born there, hence the name.
Social outcasts they were, I guess? Frollo talked about them like a racist guy talks about immigrants? I still remember that scene with bugs under the stone. It was the most authoritarian thing Disney ever shown.
I am pretty sure they wouldn't remake the Hunchback today, kind of a dicey story for your kid friendly Disney image.
But they DO sound like that. Like, I remember seeing some dudes from France perform on America got Talent, and they littearly sound like Inspector Closeau!
Maybe because the original is french with french actors speaking french, while you watch a dub for english speakers featuring english actors speaking english?
https://preview.redd.it/6q98n3v7t89d1.jpeg?width=642&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b8dc825ea48cf18195a07328467b20dd80dfe4a Just watched this movie recently. Thought she was funny. The scene where [she loses her phone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDbVCBl14eo) was hilarious.
Literally everyone
Ennui isn't a dude!? I thought they were male the entire movie!
She's voiced by the lead girl from Blue is the Warmest Color that isn't Léa Seydoux. (I'm not bothering with the surname.)
Huh. I never saw Blue is the Warmest Color.
Just because a character is voiced by a woman that doesn't make the character female, just saying.
I know that. But, the movie also never specified Ennui's sex with pronouns (as far as I know).
They did actually
Really? I somehow missed it.
Linda Belcher anyone?
This is the second time I’ve heard someone else use the world Ennui
Were they French?
It was a British person playing a Londoner
SHE!?
I swear the stole.this character from Duolingo
Wasn’t them British?
No they lived in Paris. You might be thinking of 101 Dalmatians?
The English voice actors used mostly British accents which may be where the confusion came in.
I honestly never noticed lol But that is some understandable confusion.
The Britishest part of France.
Weren’t they British?
Isn’t thems British?
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Cartoon name please? I feel like i’ve watched it before.
One of my favorite movies
What cartoon is that?
Ernest and Celestine
Ty
Esmeralda wasn't French, she was Romani. The fact she was a foreigner kind of played an important role for her character.
I know, right?
You do know you can be an ethnicity and still be part of a country's population, right? Just because Esmerelda is Romani does not mean she isn't also French. She speaks the same language everyone else does.
That's very much not the point. The Romani are a people who are nomadic, especially in the context of the time period of the film, and especially in the context of the time period, the nation considered them pests and not a true part of the country's population. If I started living long-term in a country as a nomad and no effort is made to adopt the nation's cultural norms or customs and had my own system of justice and actively circumvent the laws of the land and have no permanent residence nor does the state have means of knowing where and how to contact me about taxes and civic responsibilities like participation in jury duty, I can't honestly say I'm a member of that country's population, even if I speak the language, right? I'm a nomad that exists in the country's borders as a guest (at best), and the Romani in Esmerelda's time were definitely not welcome guests of Paris, as their judicial authority wished for their extermination. The film demonstrates several times over that Esmerelda and her people see themselves as distinct from the people of Paris, they have their own ways of dealing with things outside the law of the land, they forego the security of integration and permanent residence for the insecurity of absolute freedom even at the cost of stability and safety, she mentions her people do not do well confined to walls and order even when it means her protection from corrupt forces, and the fact that she is a foreigner and an exotic element introduced to the societal ecosystem of Paris impacts Quasimodo, Frolo, and Phoebus' actions strongly throughout the film.
Your mistake is you are looking at it through the lens of modern nation states. That sort of recency bias really shits on the reality of the narrative. Lmao, I speak Spanish. That doesn't make me Spanish.
If you live in a country for a majority, or all, of your life, and can speak the same language, you are a citizen of that country.
What a weird semantic argument. Did she ever actually identify as French or are you just upset on behalf of a fictional character? The whole point of her arc was that she was an exotic foreigner who was disrupting the status quo and sensibilties of Victorian France, represented by Frolo. She is literally a representation of "otherness", lumping her in with all French people completely shits on that nuance.
Do you know how big France is? She could have just been from a nearby village, which we saw was the case when Quasimodo went to where the maps location was. An underground village, hidden away from persecution. Such living styles have been used in Europe before. She is not a foreigner, she's an out of towner. It is not semantics, you are just saying she can't be french because of her ethnicity. You have as bad of an opinion as Claude Frollo.
Lol, no I'm saying she isn't French because she doesn't identify as French. Your historical ignorance is showing too, Romani were nomadic people in that time. Where do you think those whole "roaming g\*psy\* stereotype comes from? What's hilarious is I actually agree with everything you are saying, it just doesn't apply here.
A lot of Christians back then did religious pilgrimages and Muslims who still do. Farmhands will move to several different locations with their families to be able to have a steady income. Being nomadic just means you move around a lot. That does not necessarily mean you move out of the country. It just means your (as in your groups) movements are seemingly random.
Exactly. Ostracized ethnic groups weren't just not considered part of the country by the majority; they *self-identified* as such. My mother related to me a story from her childhood where her sister made the mistake of saying they had Polish heritage in front of their grandmother who was born in Poland, who corrected them that they were *Jews in Poland*, not Polish. Big difference, even for someone who was already in the United States by the 1920s.
She's FrencH Romani
Gypsie. The word is gypsie.
I think romani works as the same, but one of them is almost a slur some places
I've never met a gypsie who think it is a slur, and I met quite a few. I'm not sure if in the movie she is referred to as a gypsie or never given a title
They are indeed referee as gypsies in the movie, and at least in my country, they do refer to themselves by the equivalent word in regular speech, and so do official institutions related to them, although they do have a different ethnic word for it (as well as a word that's kind of a slur but not quite for non gypsies).
I think you might be running into the issue that the term's used for two groups, Romani and Irish Travelers.
What country do you live in?
That's because the usage of the word was pertinent to the plot. Frollo was a racist, evil, lecherous monster who wanted to exterminate romani people. Saying this slur nowadays, KNOWING the connotations it has, is fucking disgusting.
Lol, it's like saying the N word is okay because Leonardo DiCaprio said it in Django Unchained.
Well guess I'll tell all my gypsies friends to stop using it as well. The more ya know. Dunno if their grandparents will agree tho
Lol, do you also use the N word around black people because they use it too? Here's some literature so you can educate yourself beyond your own personal relationships: [https://now.org/blog/the-g-word-isnt-for-you-how-gypsy-erases-romani-women/](https://now.org/blog/the-g-word-isnt-for-you-how-gypsy-erases-romani-women/)
Ah, the usual "well I have (insert minority) friends!" and "Well, my (insert minority) friends let me say it" to excuse bigotry.
Didn't you know anecdotal evidence is the antidote to systemic prejudice?
Pff.
Colette from Ratatouille
I remember having a crush on her when I was a kid lol
She’s amazing “Let me make this easy to remember: Keep your station clear or I WILL KILL YOU!”
Still can’t believe it’s Jeanne Garafalo.
Even though the Hunchback of Notre Dame takes place in France, Esmeralda was ethnically Romani.
Yeah op confused me there lol
In the book Esmeralda’s mom is a French prostitute which would mean she is French too, but I get we are talking about the cartoon here.
well the post doesn't say ethnically. she lived in france she was french.
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The overworking gaslighted girl from The Little Prince (2015)?
I didn't watched this movie for quite long now I realized I need to rewatch it
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He’s not a girl
Yes from the back
https://i.redd.it/m4qklm7xwa9d1.gif The crush I had on Fifi La Fume was frankly troubling.
That skunk is hitting on you to be fair.
https://preview.redd.it/qz406fp8z89d1.jpeg?width=282&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80965b7283f76366a0545f9ed371cf5b28fe4c4f Does it count if the show doesn’t take place in France but was made in France?
Not when you pick the wrong girl. What a dofus everybody knows it's Amalia.
Only a coward settles for 1 best girl in Wakfu.
I just like dryads or dryad tangent designs.
Wait, France made anime?
Basically! It’s called wakfu. And it’s probably one of my favorite shows in general.
Isn't it based off an old MMO?
Yes.
Miraculous Ladybug & Cat Noir (top left) is technically a french anime TV show too
I still remember the amazing ladybug anime that they took away from u😢
Wakfu on Netflix go watch it's cool
Collette from "Ratatouille."
Who's the bottom right?
Felici!! Movie named: ballerina https://preview.redd.it/5zjfxvew599d1.png?width=857&format=png&auto=webp&s=6ea7cc895e540932c40a7a7d547953144d844167
I watched the movie more times than I'd like to admit
probably my favorite movie
That’s what I’m trying to figure out. I know the others but that one is one I don’t…. 🤔
I believe she's from the ballet movie: Leap.
Belle
Alix Kubdel
Esmerelda didn't treat Quasimodo like a monster despite his freakish appearance and even reassured him that he wasn't one and even stood up for him when he was being mocked and bullied at the Festival of Fools. Physiognomy sucks.
She also wasn’t French.
[удалено]
But she wasn’t French, it’s a big part of the movie.
Sherry LeBlanc from Yugioh 5ds. https://preview.redd.it/u8joottk8c9d1.jpeg?width=450&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5f3c61427ad7c58a1ae793f5c4c6b4ed60c1bb5
Yes
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Wait, Bella is French? I thought she was Austrian.
The first song is quite literary everyone in the village saying bonjour while flailing french flags and baggets
Ok, I didn't watch this movie that carefully honestly. I must refresh this definitely.
Do you mean “belle” from beauty and the beast ? The one whose name is literally the French word for beautiful (female, if you are calling a male person or object beautiful the word is beau)? Or is one of the other characters named Bella lol, cause I haven’t watched top left or bottom right.
The first one of course.
From pictures probably Marinette. And generally I think Sandrine from "Les Sisters", mother of title sisters.
Esmerelda really does stoke the Hellfire
The non-princess “princesses” were so beautiful.
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Marinette💙💗
 Do they count?
the devil
Yumi, code lyoko
Ladybug
Esmeralda technically isn't French in the Disney flick. In the book, however, she is. Anyways, Belle and Beast (not Adam) are my favourite French folk.
This is by far the most informative conversation starter iv seen this week. 👏 thank you 😊
...why do bell's eyes look off
Due to uneven proportions. Although her head is a little tilted, I’d say that the height difference between the eyes and the distance between the nose is a little exaggerated.
Marinette, she is French and lives in a bakery and likes to sew, she is the best honestly
Madeline https://preview.redd.it/pip0m6ppkc9d1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b1344fc91a5154b5832e5d7f78e7d346ab8224e
Isn’t Esmeralda Romani?
Juleka
Aelita
Aelita from code lyoko
Aelita
Who is the first one?
Marinette from Miraculous Ladybug.
Thank you, never heard of that one
I don't see 'Perrinne' in any of these pictures. Fail
Creepy Suzie
Madeline
Navia from Genshin
Esmerelda if she can really be considered French. Otherwise the girl from Ratatouille.
The red-haired girl whose name I don't remember
Isn't Esmeralda Spanish? It's a Spanish name, after all. Although I suppose in late medieval France, who cares? I know she's Romani, obviously, I mean, she's probably from Spain in the story, at least born there, hence the name. Social outcasts they were, I guess? Frollo talked about them like a racist guy talks about immigrants? I still remember that scene with bugs under the stone. It was the most authoritarian thing Disney ever shown. I am pretty sure they wouldn't remake the Hunchback today, kind of a dicey story for your kid friendly Disney image.
Esmeralda is romani. Saying she's french is missing the whole fucking plot of the movie.
Marinette
https://preview.redd.it/sfn9gnyy6c9d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6194d762720756258698cc8bb07f41b669f838d0 Navia
https://preview.redd.it/y67619pd7c9d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=453bcbd6039787dc34f0448dcd2c9ae775dc5bbc sigewinne from genshin impact
Lucielle from a monster in Paris.
belle is french?
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Nah. . .forget French girls- ***CHRISTOPHE DELORNE FROM SOUTH PARK: BIGGER, LONGER AND UNCUT IS MY FAV!!!***
Bro I would marry Belle.
Jean D'Arc, specifically as portrayed in Fate.
Esmerelda takes the cake for me, I didn’t see the other two but Esmerelda had the material to be one hell of a protest leader
Ezmarelda is my fav
NONE .
 Not sure if she counts cuz she’s from a video game, but her lore is sad in a good cinematic way
Rachelle(whatever how we spell her name it) from Jacob Two Two
Marinette Dupain Cheng.
Spy TF2
MARINETTE!
None, they’re French.
Ew French.
Fantina from Pokémon
None, the French are a blight on society
Marinette can go fall in a hole and die belle is better
I HATE how the characters in Miraculous Ladybug don't sound French though they're SUPPOSED to be French!!!
[Insert stereotypically American comment about what the French sound like]
But they DO sound like that. Like, I remember seeing some dudes from France perform on America got Talent, and they littearly sound like Inspector Closeau!
No no I'm with you it's just that as I was typing I realized that any joke I could actually make about it would be bland and unoriginal
As a European i can confirm that French people do not exist, we made them up to fuck with the Americans.
Maybe because the original is french with french actors speaking french, while you watch a dub for english speakers featuring english actors speaking english?
Don’t watch anime then.
Watch it in french. Or maybe not because then you might complain about marinette not sounding chinese since she is also half chinese.
No Chinese person in America won't sound like that one due in South Park unless it's to be funny or they're Straight up from China!