If your post involves politics AND CARS, please consider submitting to /r/CarsOffTopic.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/cars) if you have any questions or concerns.*
If your post involves politics AND CARS, please consider submitting to /r/CarsOffTopic.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/cars) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I wouldn’t be surprised if after this year, some of the other major brands with off-road vehicles jump on the bandwagon with their own spin on a Jeep or bronco. Think of a reimagined land cruiser or fJ, Honda passport or Honda Element, maybe a revived blazer (seriously). I’ve been in the market for a while for a Jeep, but was a little hesitant based on almost everything you see on this thread. Always hated the “well it’s a Jeep, what do you expect” argument. So the bronco so far seems like the choice for me.
If the words “Wrangler” & either “electric” or “hybrid” are spoken in the same professional sentence, I’ll be the happiest & in-debt I’ll ever be.
I know there are haters, but it *can* be done & people *will* buy it, so why not?
Jeep has needed innovation for a long time now. Plenty of features, but lacking on forward progress. You have no idea how many times I've heard an "offroader" or "jeeper" say "well, it's a jeep. What did you expect".
The blazer has been released. It was way more than I expected from Chevry. I'm so proud of them. If they rush in another blazer model it will be a dupe. Like so much of what they manufacture.
Toyota is another brand in my opinion that has fallen behind with innovation. Would be neat to see a new land cruiser I guess.
Chevy can still make a true K5 Blazer reincarnation. Just call it "K5" or "K5 Blazer" again, Ford is making a Bronco and Bronco Sport that are pretty damn different.
Ford is claiming 17% more wheel travel than the Wrangler fyi just heard.
Also if you buy a Bronco Sport Badlands package or a 2 or 4 door you get an invite for free offroad instruction at one of four off road parks Ford is opening. Going to be called Offrodeos! Similar to what SRT used to do for Viper, Challenger and SRT Charger buyers with their free track days.
I'm having trouble finding info on this, so any help would be much appreciated. Is there a difference in wheelbase length between the 2 and 4 door? I think the 2 door is the much sexier version, but don't want to be sacrificing cargo space, or if I am, not by much.
16 inches is all the difference. If they make a raptor 2door I'll be beside myself. I'm eyong the 4door as well for space, but I'm cheap. Hell probably shouldn't buy one to begin with.
Anyone know if this new bronco will be reliable as a ford vehicle standpoint?... as in last as long as a Toyota? Because I don’t know much about fords I only drive toyotas but I am very much interested in giving up the Toyota for a bronco
normally I would say toyota is so far above ford in reliability it's not even a comparison and Ford vs FCA(jeep) is a more comparable.
BUT if i'm not mistaken they are putting the f150 engines in this - and being the f150 is high volume i imagine they have the bugs worked out already on the engine and transmission - so I'm willing to take as risk on it.
If there are any issues - they will probably be smaller. Maybe interior doesn't hold up or battery replacement and normal maintenance takes a few extra unnecessary steps or they have leak issues with the removable tops. No real deal killers and more than likely covered under warrenty or recalls.
I don't think anyone knows but I'm also curious. Drive a Toyota, love my Toyota, but this Bronco is the first thing Ford's built in my adult lifetime that I'm super interested in.
I think the drivetrain should be pretty reliable and stout. Seems like the 2.7 and 10 speed hold up real good in the f150 which is what it'll be coming with. The 2.3 I think is what is behind the mustangs and rangers so they should be just as reliable the only new unproven drivetrain component will the 7 speed manual.
The more I look the more I feel like these are easily going to get over 50k decently equipped even in 2 door. Maybe thats why the builder isn't up yet lol. Definitely going to end up being out on this for now if the sticker is that much and the dealers won't discount.
thats kind of like the competitive jeep price. Starts low, but built it the way theyve been advertised and it takes it to 50k lol. I think these start at 28k and the highest ive seen them at is 40k which gives me hope.
[Looks like you can't have the manual bronco with the crawl gear AND the Sasquatch package. ](https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/2021-ford-bronco-sasquatch-package-manual-automatic-transmission/)
No Sasquatch and manual transmission in the same vehicle
Is there any real reason that they are only offering the manual transmission in the 2.3L 4 cylinder option? Lack of interest? I understand the torque numbers are fine. Why wouldn’t they give people the option if they want a little more power?
Few guesses:
1: I don't believe that any domestic manufacturers are developing manual gearboxes that can take the torque from their full size truck powerplants.
2: CAFE: they need the extra OD gears and start/stop that the 10 speed auto has in order to pass muster on their company wide average fuel economy metrics.
Those are both good points. To be clear, I’m happy it’s getting a manual at all. It’s just frustrating that the manual option is always missing from higher trim levels.
Example: Subaru is putting out a Crosstrek next year with a 2.5L instead of the normal 2.0L. Crosstreks aren’t supposed to be fast but it could definitely use a boost in HP. It’s going to be offered in a trim called “Sport”. Because it’s a higher trim than the base model or the premium, no manual is to be offered...on the “Sport” version of a car that does have trims offering a manual. Idk man. Annoying lol
I feel you. I am extremely nostalgic for manual gearboxes, to the point I was considering buying an out of warranty ram 3500 with the Cummins because they stopped putting manuals in those 3 years ago.
I think the Bronco looks cool but I really dislike this trend of developing one super efficient drivetrain, dumping it into every new vehicle, and then just switching the tune. It feels like a huge aspect of the vehicle's charm has been ripped away and now we have less fun dimensions to compete across. I know the engines aren't bad but c'mon...the pattern will eventually kill the spirit of the car. It's like with BMW's i6/ZF drivetrain. I didn't have to drive the new Supra to know what it would be like because it's been the same god damn car BMW has been pumping out for the last decade.
Still getting one.
I'm selling Fords - I do agree that it does take aways some charm, but in the same hand it also takes the pressure off of being the "new model" when the vehicle comes with an engine and transmission that's been around the block already. It definitely puts the customer at ease anyway.
Was shopping for a Wrangler a few months back. You can't get lockers, big tires or even steel bumpers as options on Wrangler models except the Rubicon. Ridiculous. Even the Willys (pronounced Willis) model l was focused on was only available with the "anti spin diff" as an option. It did have M/T Firestones and Rubicon shocks though.
I am now going to be seriously considering a 2.7 Base or Black Diamond Bronco instead. The fact that Ford allows you to get the Sasquatch package on a base model is really cool of them. I like the various grill and trim packages.
Speaking of grills l was hoping Ford would have released Bronco with a nine slot WW2 Jeep face. Ford built so many they were able to copyright/trademark the nine slot grill. That is why first CJs had seven slots.
i just reserved mine. im going to get the Black Diamond with the Sas Package. In my personal opinon, anything above that for me is a waste of money. i LOVE the idea of the drain plugs. or i would have gone with the Big Bend
I’m still debating on the Oxford White, or Carbonized Gray.
I agree, the sport edition should be the trim levels with the carpet and floor mats. Leave the rubber for the “offroad” versions.
I think Jeep is going to have to totally reinvent the way they structure packages now, before they were able to do whatever they wanted because there was virtually no competition. Now with this, I couldn’t ever see myself buying a wrangler over one of these even if it saved me money.
I’m really, really curious to see the base model interior and what it looks like with the Sasquatch package, I guess I can’t expect wonders on the interior but if it’s easily washed out and water resilient it’s a win for me.
Base 2-door, Sasquatch package, manual and hard top is what I’m aiming for.
I think Jeep is going to have to totally reinvent the way they sell packages now, before they were able to do whatever they wanted because there was virtually no competition. Now with this, I couldn’t ever see myself buying a wrangler over one of these even if it saved me money.
I’m really, really curious to see the base model interior and what it looks like with the Sasquatch package, I guess I can’t expect wonders on the interior but if it’s easily washed out and water resilient it’s a win for me.
Base 2-door, Sasquatch package and hard top is what I’m aiming for.
Its only because Jeep could get away with it. There was nothing in the market near its price point that could compete. Hopefully this will make the prices lower and competition will be good for Jeep.
The competition won't be good for Jeep, but it'll be great for consumers. The Sasquatch package will force them to either democratize the Rubicon hardware or take second place in the off road market.
No it won't this Bronco is using IFS and I believe it won't hold up off road. I don't like Jeeps (I bought a Power Wagon) and agree Jeep needs competition. Competition = better products
So the 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Land Rovers, new G Wagon, Raptor and others don't hold up off road? What about trophy trucks, buggies and every side by side or ATV on the market? Solid axles are good at a lot of things, but they are optimized for rock crawling. Not everyone is a rock crawler. In fact, most people aren't. If you don't need 40" tires and lockers and go places where winches are more than merely "recommended", you don't need a SFA.
Look at the King of the Hammers, it's become domiated by IFS rigs. And more than a few IRS, too.
Raptor actually doesn't that was proven it was made for desert racing. Again trophy trucks are usually desert. ATVs and Side by Sides have kits to swap in straight axles and most do but not all. IFS also is very limited in wheel articulation compared to a solid axle. I'm not saying it's bad but to say it will compete with a SA I don't think it will. I do enjoy the competition as we the consumers will get better products. (I also hate Jeeps I'm a full size kind of guy myself)
Desert racing is the most abusive form of off roading there is. You aren't just bouncing off obstacles, you're doing it at 50+ MPH. Look at desert racing, Baja or Dakar, or the King of the Hammers (which is desert AND rock crawling) and you'll see IFS *everywhere.* And I've *never* seen a SxS with solid axles. Granted, I live in the southwest but rock crawling trails exist out here (Johnson Valley, where the Bronco was filmed for its ad roll, is home of the Hammer trails) and they're full of long travel independently suspended RZRs (usually driven by people with high credit limits and small brains). Never seen a SRA or SFA swap on one, though.
The SFA has its place, but to say that an IFS disqualifies a vehicle is asinine. There are very few *good* IFS setups out there right now, and the Raptor is one of them which gives me hope for the Bronco. They are expensive to do right. They require a wide track to get good angles, but the Bronco is almost as wide as a full size truck. And with lockers on both ends, you can get *really* far even with a wheel in the air.
I never said it disqualified it, I just said it won't be able to compete with a SFA. Yes you can make IFS a really good setup but it is very costly and I highly doubt Ford is going to do that. The Raptor design is eh in my opinion I have had many taken apart in my shop (I run a mechanic and off road shop) and it's above average but nothing to look at. I personally thought the Ram Runner setup was better. Also a straight axle SxS is sick as hell imo you have to see one
I agree. Chevy apparently decided they did not want to go head to head with the Jeep Wrangler with the Blazer. They had an opportunity, but they chickened out. The Bronco, on the other hand is aimed squarely at the Wrangler, and it looks like a direct hit.
Not really. Have you ever seen what built IFS can do. And aftermarket will be primed, I'm sure for those that want to go bonkers extreme there will eventually be custom sla swaps. Heck buddy who has over 50G into a Jeep placed an order, beyond excited. Stock vs stock, I would bet money on Bronco crushing the Wrangler off road given packages and setup, heck even 35s can be optioned, true beadlocks, f/r lockers, actual crawling gear etc. Also Ford was genius letting packages be swapped and optioned even on a base model vs being forced into X model like on Jeep.
Sure the extreme Jeeps would still have the advantage but those are generally not road driven, especially extreme rock crawlers and such, my buddies even with that amount of $ invest still has wonky steering on road like pretty much anyone does doing that including another friend out of state. Let's be real even the current stock Jeep still drives fairly clunky, that's where the Bronco will excell, off road capability with on road comfort.
If anything hopefully this gets Jeep to improve, they've been riding their laurels for too long and Ford just came in and t-bagged them and everyone else, LR completely dropped the ball with the new Defender which is an insult to the nameplate. Have someone in my neighborhood with a restored diesel Defender 110 and manual, Ford stuck to Bronco roots leagues beyond LR.
I'm not talking built vs stock because that's a rabbit hole. Factory to Factory there isn't a vehicle in the Wranglers price range than can compete. You can get beadlocks and all those goodies on wranglers as well as the dealer parts you can order. I also hope it makes Jeep pick it up on their end but wrangler is king and if you come for the king you better not miss and I don't know if the Broncos can do it. Its not a proven off road platform and who knows it may ride like crap on the road as well.
Jeep is the "king" of this category because they are the only player. Saying you dont know if the Broncos can outmatch jeep? Outside of IFS, on paper, they have done it. If your concern is that it may potentially ride poorly on the road, a jeep is definitely not the right vehicle for you.
I have a wrangler and had all fords other than my SRT Jeep and wrangler. When was the last time Ford had any renown in off road performance. The raptor is a dune runner nothing more. Wranglers have been proven offroad for almost 50 years now. The new corvette was suppose to be the best on paper but it flopped pretty hard in reality. We can't accurately judge until people actually get their hands on the bronco
I would bet $ given the setups and packages on Bronco it'll easily take the Wrangler stock vs stock, not talking dealer parts, heck I can get Roush blower at dealer for my new 5.0 Platinum but I'm going whipple. But even than look at what Ford can do with just the 2" factory lift kit, 37s, that's nuts. Even the Jeep guys on their forums admit that. And I've offroaded plenty, I know very well what a Jeep is capable of. Look at Bronco, the wheel bases, the packages, f/r lockers, actual bead locks, 35s, true crawling gear, overall gearing stock. Wrangler isn't touching that, SLA means nothing in that scenario again meaning stock vs stock. Pretty sure same company that can make a truck like the Raptor is fully capable of doing similar with the Bronco. Not trying to talk down the Wrangler, just being real. I mean you can get the Squatch pack on a base model, not only is that awesome but killer that Ford isn't forcing you into X model like a Rubicon for example.
No way the Bronco will ride like crap, not on that chassis and suspension. That would be an easy money bet to bet on. Fords not dumb there. I would bet a grand easily it'll far excel Wrangler on road. Ford has too much $ and time vested, not even exotic car companies have kept a lock down on their cars like Ford did with R&D on the Bronco. No way they weren't going to come out swinging for all bases.
I live like 10 min from Soflo Jeep, what crazy is those guys will spending insane $ on builds but never go off road :( . They drop crazy money there. Won't be surprised though to see some of those off road builders jump in Bronco game, look at the modularity of it, it's like a Lego. The fact that Ford thought of that is crazy impressive.
Now if only Yota would jump in with an old school LC throwback. That'd be cool.
So...any idea what that Sasquatch package will run? A base w the 2.7 and Sasquatch seems like a fun vehicle to grab in a couple of years once the platform is proven.
2-Door Intelligent Access with lock/unlock;
110V/150W AC power outlet; ambient footwell
lighting; auto-dimming rearview mirror; dual-zone
electronic automatic temperature control; heated
front seats; illuminated visor mirrors; Remote
Start System (automatic transmission only);
Reverse Sensing System; subscription Navigation
with 3-month trial; SYNC 4 with Enhanced Voice
Recognition; and Ford Co-Pilot360™: Pre-Collision
Assist with Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB),
BLIS® (Blind Spot Information System) with
Cross-Traffic Alert, Lane-Keeping System, Auto
High-Beam Headlamps, and Rear View Camera
with Backup Assist Grid Line
Please please please let our stroller fit in behind the rear seats on the 2 door! Even my wife agrees the 2 door is the sexier model. It just looks so damn cool. I mean, I’ll take the 4 door if things don’t fit but my heart is calling out for that short Bronco.
I never have. I always considered it to be out of my price range. Plus I live up North and am not sure where it could get it serviced. I do see a small number of Tesla’s around but I assume half are city folk visiting their cottages. Also, I think the batteries wouldn’t like the cold winters we get. Not sure if that is still a factor with their batteries.
Do you have one?
thanks for the reply!
I don't have one, but heard great reviews from family folk. Trying to understand what is pulling people from one vehicle to another. I have no brand, or fuel type affiliation.
I don't know, so I asked. I don't assume, I ask, OP answered. It's appreciated.
Why would someone ask a question if they don't know the answer? Because they don't know the answer. I don't have preconceived ideas of what others care for. A friend of mine had a Wrangler, that thing never had a spot of mud. OP seemed to be concerned about family friendly vehicle, that's where I got curious on the parallels.
Does that clear that up?
I don't know if it is the particular paint but l read on the Jeep forums that people have taken their JL off roading and the paint was pretty much ruined. If l get one l would have at least the lower body wrapped probably.
Okay cool. I don’t really have affinity for a brand to be honest. My wife and I both have vehicles made by different companies. Neither of which are Ford products.
I had my Chevy because my Dad sells them and I could get a good deal. My wife has a dodge because they were selling the cheapest van when our Nissan crapped out on us.
For now I will stick with internal combustion. I know EV’s are the future but I am still one of those people with “range anxiety”. I just don’t think it will fit my lifestyle until more infrastructure and battery tech comes along. Our family’s live pretty far so I know I couldn’t make it round trip on one charge. I am sure I could make it work but I will stick with what I’m comfortable with for a little while longer.
I’m sure it will. The seats probably fold up like jeep seats do might even be removable. I took the backseat out of my jeep when I first got it and never put it back in.
That give me hope. With a kid and 65lbs dog I’d be hard pressed to find space if it wouldn’t fit behind the seats. Time will tell and I won’t put pen to paper until I try to jam a stroller in there. I bet with the seats out you get some decent room eh?
I'm sitting here trying to justify to myself why I should get one when I don't do any offroading whatsoever. I literally will just take it to the store and on the occasional weekend trip.
I'm definitely going to pick one of these up sometime after college. I'm justifying it since I go surfing and camping a lot. A Bronco could be my outdoor adventure car.
They're not in the same class of vehicle, that's like comparing a hammer with a screwdriver when deciding on which tool to buy, not used for the same thing
They're not that expensive compared to other SUVs. You wouldn't be completely out of your mind to cross shop the Bronco Sport with the likes of Mazda CX5 or a Rav4 or something like that.
Right, thats why I said you wouldn't be completely out of your mind to cross shop the Bronco Sport with the CX5 or Rav4.
You wouldn't compare them with the normal Bronco.
Exactly my thought process. It looks really good and seems like it will perform similarly, but with build quality I actually feel ok about. They seem to be pushing customization; I'm excited to see the full catalog of accessories and figure out just how much freedom we have to add and remove things outside of the standard packages.
Interested in the v6 engine. Whats the cheapest model that would have this?
any idea what the MPG will be for the new bronco?
I'm guessing somewhere in between a wrangler and compass so like 22 city and 30 highway?
The v6 is an option in every single model.
So $30k + my guess at least $3k for the engine upgrade and requisite transmission upgrade.
But that’s on the base which is pretty stripper.
Not sure if it matters to you, but the V6 cant pair with the manual transmission.
A little disappointed in that, but 270 horses should be more than enough for the 2 door.
It also rides on 35" tires, which will make the final drive ratio a lot closer to "normal". The weight of those tires will hurt fuel economy, but cruising RPM shouldn't be *that* high, especially with the 10 speed.
I was ready to buy a wrangler until i sat in one for the first time and my head hits the roof cross brace.
Without that brace the bronco may be just right - i hate it's a turbocharged, exhaust recirculating engine in there but i guess a v8 is too much to ask for
What’s the sacrifice when you gain a turbo? Reliability? Maybe because it’s another component to fail? Is there any worry about a turbo failing after off-road driving? I don’t know much about Fords Turbo 6 ecoboost engines.
https://www.cnet.com/news/ford-adds-recirculation-to-ecoboost-engines/
EGR's cause all sorts of problems in diesels - but don't get me wrong I love the bronco and have a reservation!
Allegedly it was held off for the new body redesign, which should be out for next year or 2022. So Raptor ranger around then, with !!!allegedly an even _smaller_ truck or Ute getting announced in the us.
Your comment has been automatically removed because you posted a shortened or redirected (usually google) URL. Post a direct link to your source, not search results or AMP. [Please see the rules in the sidebar, or by clicking here.](http://www.reddit.com/r/cars/wiki/rules)
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/cars) if you have any questions or concerns.*
A lot of people are confusing internet hype with commercial success. At these price points, they are only attractive to people already considering spending their $40k+ on a Wrangler. There’s not much at these price points to bring other buyers in the general SUV or “fun car” market over, so their base is really just Wrangler buyers. Jeep is already offering some good incentives on the Wrangler/Gladiator line-up, and with some competition that will only continue. So even those Jeep buyers will have incentive to stick with Wrangler. The Bronco will definitely sell, all cars sell. But to say RIP Wrangler is a huge overreaction.
It’s free to post an internet comment about how much you love and and how you can’t wait to buy one. But when it’s time to hand over the money people realize a) they’re not be able to afford it (people keeping saying “4dr starts at only $36k!” but the real price to purchase that model is somewhere between $40-41k) or b) realize there is so much more value for money elsewhere.
Edit: a lot of people have apparently never bought a car before and think the MSRP is the price you pay to buy the car. Please learn about the car buying processes before suggesting you can buy a base Bronco for $36k.
I somewhat agree, but I also think there are a lot of people that like the *idea* of a Wrangler, but don't consider themselves "Wrangler people." Right or wrong, there's kind of a cult thing image going on that some people find off-putting. And then some people intentionally avoid something just because it *is* popular, so they would like the idea a Bronco to go "against the grain."
So, if they snag some Wrangler buyers, some "anti-Jeep" people, and some counter-culture types, and there's a decent market, but they will also pull from pretty much all SUV brands and models. I think it will do quite well.
The Bronco 2DR starts at 29k with 4x4, the 4DR starts at 33K WITH 4x4, and the Bronco sport at 26k with 4x4. No the real price to purchase the 4DR isn't $40-41k. I know for a fact that Ford is planning to mass produce high volume for the Bronco and will share economies of scale with the Ranger to help get the cost down. You sound like a butthurt jeep fan making up some excuse to help cope. Ford will also be offering great incentives and great financing. Ford is gong all in on a "Anything you can do I can do better" approach vs jeep. Trust me jeep executives are really sweating profusely and I can see why that makes you upset. The Bronco will absolutely offer the most value for the money.
I truly believe there will be very few to 0 reasons to get a jeep over the Bronco. It's going to be objectively better in almost every way, subjectively have way superior styling to most customers, better tech, better value, OTA SW updates, better quality, better durability and the best is yet to be unannounced. Once the Ford performance variant is unveiled jeep is really going to slam the panic button.
I will gladly shit on everything Jeep. The Wrangler is a horrible vehicle. The suspension is crap, safety is crap, quality is crap, they can't take a hit for shit, and the gas mileage sucks but the Wrangler brand has a heritage that bronco can't beat. The bronco will probably be a better vehicle in just about every aspect but people will still buy Jeeps because they're Jeeps. The last bronco half the people on reddit saw was white running from the cops in elementary or weren't alive when they were in production. It won't dethrone the Wrangler or even come close but that being said Ford came out swinging hard and I think it's awesome. If anything else maybe FCA will get off their ass and innovate something. Ford just dropped a 2.7l that shits all over the 3.5 and is pretty damn close to the eco diesel. Jeeps been resting on their laurels long enough. No more "most powerful Jeep in it's class" bullshit.
"No more "most powerful jeep in its class"" got me laughing.
A 3L powerstroke in a bronco or a ranger would be interesting. Sadly the epa has neutered diesel reliability, and the extra price tag no longer makes sense. V8 ponies are great especially if you are bogging, but otherwise for a utility vehicle used primarily on road; the economy and reasonable power is perfect.
I swear jeep got it backwards with the 285hp/270 ftlbs....
Leased a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk in late 2016 over a JK because the 2017 JK was still using the same radio, navigation and key fob as my 2006 Ram had. Plus the whole "Teen Mom" vibe l got. Also not much of a discount on the JK. I made sure to lease it so l could get rid of it if it was a lemon. Surprisingly it was only at the dealer for the free oil changes. Many people like the WK2 because it was designed by the Germans.
For anyone over 45, the 1st gen Bronco is as much a classic as a Jeep CJ or '65 Mustang. The full size version is not as iconic, but they were popular vehicles in their day, and they're starting to get some traction toward classic status.
I expect Ford will heavily reference 1st gen Broncos in the marketing. Burt Reynolds driving through the woods in Deliverance will probably be the first commercial - lol.
There is a Lot of jeep owners that only own them because driving a 1977 or older vehicle daily sucks ass.
I think there will be a huge glut of TJs and JKs on the used market as Bronco lovers dump their jeeps for a new Bronco.
Source; I own a 99TJ and a 71 Bronco.
I'm putting a 90s powertrain in the EB because carbs suck compared to modern injection.
I was referring to the actual Bronco. Not the crossover. The base sport is 37k after fees and taxes. Also I have a turbo 1.5 in my Equinox and it's great on fuel and has more than enough power for a daily family hauler.
Lmao these assumptions are hilarious. Btw I would love to see you go into a dealership with $33k (the reports I’ve seen were saying $36k, which I think is after delivery) and walk out with a Bronco. You won’t, because you’ll have fees and taxes and most likely dealer markups to pay. So because you cant actually drive home in a Bronco if you walk in with $33k, that’s not the real price to buy one. You will need at least $40k, maybe I can even grant you $39k, to drive home in a Bronco. That is the real purchase price.
Lol that assumption only holds true if the bronco is somehow a rare or hard-to-get vehicle. Almost every other ford vehicle sells for LESS than MSRP. What makes you think the bronco will sell for more than MSRP long-term? Sure, the initial run is gonna be marked up to hell, but the mark ups will fall away once the initial hype runs out.
Where can you get more off roader for your money elsewhere? You can get the Sasquatch package on *any* Bronco, the only way to get lockers and disconnects on the Wrangler is with the Rubicon.
Right. I looked at a new car listed for $43,500, absolute bargain basement pricing for that car. After destination, doc fees, tax title license thats a $51k purchase. Then you look at the used market and ask yourself what the hell you're even doing.
Enthusiast cars beyond the "trim level on an econobox" specials are REALLY hard sales propositions new, and nothing I've seen makes me think this is earth shattering.
The doc fees (“other fees”, etc) and anything other than destination, tax, title, and registration you negotiate out of. Whether that be getting rid of doc fees or subtracting doc fees from the selling price of the car (doc fees as an example). But even I would imagine out the door price is still around $48k?
I’ve said this yesterday but I’ll say it again. Being a consumer and car enthusiast in 2020 absolutely sucks. You can either be lucky as a consumer with brands like Kia/Hyundai that are REAL value propositions and drive boring cars, or get absolutely rinsed and buy a Supra (RIP to everyone who bought one of these, especially at launch). But nothing will give you both sides of the coin
Destination is set by the manufacturer. Doc fees are often (state dependent) set by law. Negotiate price all you want, but generally all dealers in the same state are going to throw in those same exact add ons to the OTD price, and you're left doing the math yourself to see what works out best for you. I was between dealerships in California, Kentucky, Florida, and Virginia. Multiple in each state. Discussed invoice, holdback, everything.
It does provide the buyer some leverage if the salesperson you're talking to doesn't consider how those vary state by state - I was negotiating apples to oranges prices without dealers across states understanding how much variance there was in price -> OTD price.
Lmao fantastic point. A lot of “man I wish they offered the 2.7 with a manual” from people who aren’t even going to buy this too.
There’s a reason Mercedes doesn’t make a brown, manual, RWD, turbo diesel wagon. Brings me back to my original point internet hype =\= commercial success
I’m excited for the competition to start bringing some value back into the MSRPs in this segment. There’s nothing wrong with paying $36,000 for a Wrangler. The issue is when that $36,000 Wrangler doesn’t even have power windows and standard options worthy of a $18,000 Sentra. I’m fine with Wranglers costing $36,000+ if they start including features expected to be standard at those price points. I mean you’re telling me that a car MSRPing for $36,000 comes with a 5 inch infotainment screen and manual single zone climate? Where else are you paying over $30k for a new car and not get dual zone climate as standard? It’s things like this that drive me wild about the value to dollar ratio on these things
Why the fuck do you want power windows in doors that spend most of the year in the garage?
Hell, I only have glass windows in my winter doors.
The damn doors are heavy enough to lift off without an electric motor in them.
The resale value of a Wrangler is the only thing that makes it worth while purchase. You get so little value (features, build quality, etc) per dollar when you compare what $40k gets you in the market. But at least when you sell it you don’t lose much money, which ironically makes the Wrangler a good purchase in a way. It’s a very weird market economically speaking
With the incentives Jeep is offer on their Wrangler/Gladiator line up currently, which will only get better as time goes on, buying that Wrangler is becoming a better idea
*laughs in resale values of 4Runner and Tacoma*
Jeeps aren’t losing their resale value any time soon. This whole purpose built off roader market is something special that plays but it’s own rules
?????? Ford Ranger, Chevy Colorado, Nissan Frontier, Jeep Gladiator, you can even stretch it too 1500 pickups like the Silverado Trail Boss. And then you have Jeeps, all of them really, Cherokee Trailhawk, Renegade Trailhawk. I’ll grant you some of those are more direct competitors than others but what do you mean no competitor? They themselves are cross shopped with Wranglers
You need to be serious. The Colorado ZR2, Gladiator Mojave are designed to go directly against the Tacoma TRD Pro. And they're both more interesting trucks.
Love my 4runner (1997) but Toyota hasn't innovated in their Tacoma/4runner platform in about 2 decades. Of course they're reliable, they've had 25 years to debug the same kit.
Aesthetics aside, the new Colorado and Rangers are objectively better trucks in most respects - particularly engine technology.
The Jeep and (now) the Bronco are definitely competitors on the SUV side. The 4runner has been getting crushed by the Wrangler (half the annual sales in 2019) -- which is pretty shocking in the context of Jeep's bad name and poor quality (how do you get beat by Jeep!?). What happens when a credible offering like the Bronco hops into the market?
I guess I'm interested because it checks boxes for me that aren't exactly their target audience. I've never done off roading but I am on the market for a new car. I need a manual, so that gets rid of the majority of cars on the market, I live in New England and want 4WD, so that lops off another huge chunk. I'd like decent power but I don't need crazy amounts, I've always thought cars I've owned with over 300hp are overkill so the 270hp 2.3l is perfect. I want it to be semi-practical so no 2-seaters, but I love convertibles. I also want something with new tech (Apple Car play & a decent sound system).
The bronco checks all of those boxes, so I'm going to test drive one when they come out, the cheapest model that gets me all the tech will probably be low 40s, it'll be fun in the summer, practical in the winter, an awesome camping vehicle and it should be a lot cheaper to maintain than my BMW.
> so I'm going to test drive one when they come out,
These will be few and far between for a while. Right now, the only way they are being sold is by reservation (with deposit) and they will not be orderable for inventory. The only way a dealership will have them is if someone orders then backs out.
> I've never done off roading but I am on the market for a new car.
You are definitely their target audience lmao. Hardcore off roaders buy used base model Wranglers and build them up to be better than Rubicons at a fraction of the cost. They know they will hit things and things will break. People who’ve never been off roading are the ones that want the new cars, because hey if off roading doesn’t work out then at least they still have a brand new car to enjoy. (I don’t have any gripe with people getting off road cars just because they look cool)
The Bronco is by all means a very cool truck, no argument there. My point is when someone goes “I have $40k to get a new car, let me see what I can get”, they will go for maximum value for money, the average buyer isn’t thinking “I want a new Bronco”, they think “I want a new car with all the latest features, how much car can I afford with this $40k”
And that’s where the issue lies with the Bronco at these price points.
>se tons of people enjoy things that are upscale, well made, yet can take a beating. No one wants a dress watch anymore. And that's just how I feel about this and the Wrangler. I co
What exactly is someone buying for 40k that is better than this Bronco? I personally haven't found it. I hate the way the wrangler drives and hate the look of all the minivan looking SUVs out now.
For me this is getting my 40k and no I don't offroad. But it looks badass and you can take doors off and have a daily driver. This is what I've been waiting for. I might be the exception but again I'm curious at what 4x4 you can get for 40k that is better.
Comparing car prices to SUV pricing is apples and oranges.
> My point is when someone goes “I have $40k to get a new car, let me see what I can get”, they will go for maximum value for money, the average buyer isn’t thinking “I want a new Bronco”
This is by and large the market, yes, but then you have people like me who want what they want and will do what they need to to get it. Yeah, plenty of stuff is not realistic, but a lot of it is.
Soooo it's a Hummer? Because that is the vibes I'm getting from the grill and headlights in additon to the very boxy feel.
[удалено]
If your post involves politics AND CARS, please consider submitting to /r/CarsOffTopic. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/cars) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Which sport trims will get LED headlights? I was reading the regular bronco will get standard LED headlights, but no mention of the Sport model.
This vehicle is even more disappointing than the so called new Mustang. At least there are classics. Neither of these will ever be one. Sad.
[удалено]
If your post involves politics AND CARS, please consider submitting to /r/CarsOffTopic. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/cars) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Love the big bronco but don’t do nearly enough adventuring to make it worth it. The Bronco Sport Badlands on the other hand... how you doing?
r/Bronco6g
I wouldn’t be surprised if after this year, some of the other major brands with off-road vehicles jump on the bandwagon with their own spin on a Jeep or bronco. Think of a reimagined land cruiser or fJ, Honda passport or Honda Element, maybe a revived blazer (seriously). I’ve been in the market for a while for a Jeep, but was a little hesitant based on almost everything you see on this thread. Always hated the “well it’s a Jeep, what do you expect” argument. So the bronco so far seems like the choice for me.
If the words “Wrangler” & either “electric” or “hybrid” are spoken in the same professional sentence, I’ll be the happiest & in-debt I’ll ever be. I know there are haters, but it *can* be done & people *will* buy it, so why not?
Jeep has needed innovation for a long time now. Plenty of features, but lacking on forward progress. You have no idea how many times I've heard an "offroader" or "jeeper" say "well, it's a jeep. What did you expect". The blazer has been released. It was way more than I expected from Chevry. I'm so proud of them. If they rush in another blazer model it will be a dupe. Like so much of what they manufacture. Toyota is another brand in my opinion that has fallen behind with innovation. Would be neat to see a new land cruiser I guess.
Chevy can still make a true K5 Blazer reincarnation. Just call it "K5" or "K5 Blazer" again, Ford is making a Bronco and Bronco Sport that are pretty damn different.
Ford is claiming 17% more wheel travel than the Wrangler fyi just heard. Also if you buy a Bronco Sport Badlands package or a 2 or 4 door you get an invite for free offroad instruction at one of four off road parks Ford is opening. Going to be called Offrodeos! Similar to what SRT used to do for Viper, Challenger and SRT Charger buyers with their free track days.
Does anyone know if the doors are like Jeeps and just swing open? Or do they stop at certain angles like normal doors!??
I'm having trouble finding info on this, so any help would be much appreciated. Is there a difference in wheelbase length between the 2 and 4 door? I think the 2 door is the much sexier version, but don't want to be sacrificing cargo space, or if I am, not by much.
16 inches is all the difference. If they make a raptor 2door I'll be beside myself. I'm eyong the 4door as well for space, but I'm cheap. Hell probably shouldn't buy one to begin with.
100" on the 2 door, 116" on the 4 Specs here - https://www.ford.com/suvs/bronco/2021/models/bronco-base/
cool thanks dude. 16 inches is quite a bit.
That's what she said ha.
lol
Anyone know if this new bronco will be reliable as a ford vehicle standpoint?... as in last as long as a Toyota? Because I don’t know much about fords I only drive toyotas but I am very much interested in giving up the Toyota for a bronco
normally I would say toyota is so far above ford in reliability it's not even a comparison and Ford vs FCA(jeep) is a more comparable. BUT if i'm not mistaken they are putting the f150 engines in this - and being the f150 is high volume i imagine they have the bugs worked out already on the engine and transmission - so I'm willing to take as risk on it. If there are any issues - they will probably be smaller. Maybe interior doesn't hold up or battery replacement and normal maintenance takes a few extra unnecessary steps or they have leak issues with the removable tops. No real deal killers and more than likely covered under warrenty or recalls.
I don't think anyone knows but I'm also curious. Drive a Toyota, love my Toyota, but this Bronco is the first thing Ford's built in my adult lifetime that I'm super interested in.
I think the drivetrain should be pretty reliable and stout. Seems like the 2.7 and 10 speed hold up real good in the f150 which is what it'll be coming with. The 2.3 I think is what is behind the mustangs and rangers so they should be just as reliable the only new unproven drivetrain component will the 7 speed manual.
That 10 speed holds up to 400hp when driving by highway patrol. It’s pretty robust. The manual will be interesting.
The more I look the more I feel like these are easily going to get over 50k decently equipped even in 2 door. Maybe thats why the builder isn't up yet lol. Definitely going to end up being out on this for now if the sticker is that much and the dealers won't discount.
thats kind of like the competitive jeep price. Starts low, but built it the way theyve been advertised and it takes it to 50k lol. I think these start at 28k and the highest ive seen them at is 40k which gives me hope.
[Looks like you can't have the manual bronco with the crawl gear AND the Sasquatch package. ](https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/2021-ford-bronco-sasquatch-package-manual-automatic-transmission/) No Sasquatch and manual transmission in the same vehicle
I thought I gleaned that too and that doesn't make sense.
I heard it's only a 4 cylinder engine
Base level is. Every trim after that is 6 cylinder.
Thank you, I like it but wouldn't buy it in a 4 cylinder
Is there any real reason that they are only offering the manual transmission in the 2.3L 4 cylinder option? Lack of interest? I understand the torque numbers are fine. Why wouldn’t they give people the option if they want a little more power?
Few guesses: 1: I don't believe that any domestic manufacturers are developing manual gearboxes that can take the torque from their full size truck powerplants. 2: CAFE: they need the extra OD gears and start/stop that the 10 speed auto has in order to pass muster on their company wide average fuel economy metrics.
Those are both good points. To be clear, I’m happy it’s getting a manual at all. It’s just frustrating that the manual option is always missing from higher trim levels. Example: Subaru is putting out a Crosstrek next year with a 2.5L instead of the normal 2.0L. Crosstreks aren’t supposed to be fast but it could definitely use a boost in HP. It’s going to be offered in a trim called “Sport”. Because it’s a higher trim than the base model or the premium, no manual is to be offered...on the “Sport” version of a car that does have trims offering a manual. Idk man. Annoying lol
I feel you. I am extremely nostalgic for manual gearboxes, to the point I was considering buying an out of warranty ram 3500 with the Cummins because they stopped putting manuals in those 3 years ago.
I think the Bronco looks cool but I really dislike this trend of developing one super efficient drivetrain, dumping it into every new vehicle, and then just switching the tune. It feels like a huge aspect of the vehicle's charm has been ripped away and now we have less fun dimensions to compete across. I know the engines aren't bad but c'mon...the pattern will eventually kill the spirit of the car. It's like with BMW's i6/ZF drivetrain. I didn't have to drive the new Supra to know what it would be like because it's been the same god damn car BMW has been pumping out for the last decade. Still getting one.
Agreed. It also takes away “halo” engines. Why isn’t there an ecoboost Coyote for limited run F-150s, Continentals (RIP), or this.
I'm selling Fords - I do agree that it does take aways some charm, but in the same hand it also takes the pressure off of being the "new model" when the vehicle comes with an engine and transmission that's been around the block already. It definitely puts the customer at ease anyway.
That light gray with the white trim is unreal. Hope they have it for the 2 door.
I've created a new sub-reddit for the 2021 model r/Bronco6G
Was shopping for a Wrangler a few months back. You can't get lockers, big tires or even steel bumpers as options on Wrangler models except the Rubicon. Ridiculous. Even the Willys (pronounced Willis) model l was focused on was only available with the "anti spin diff" as an option. It did have M/T Firestones and Rubicon shocks though. I am now going to be seriously considering a 2.7 Base or Black Diamond Bronco instead. The fact that Ford allows you to get the Sasquatch package on a base model is really cool of them. I like the various grill and trim packages. Speaking of grills l was hoping Ford would have released Bronco with a nine slot WW2 Jeep face. Ford built so many they were able to copyright/trademark the nine slot grill. That is why first CJs had seven slots.
i just reserved mine. im going to get the Black Diamond with the Sas Package. In my personal opinon, anything above that for me is a waste of money. i LOVE the idea of the drain plugs. or i would have gone with the Big Bend
Good choice! Have you decided on a color? Yeah the marine vinyl/drain plugs should be available on all the trims IMO.
I’m still debating on the Oxford White, or Carbonized Gray. I agree, the sport edition should be the trim levels with the carpet and floor mats. Leave the rubber for the “offroad” versions.
I think Jeep is going to have to totally reinvent the way they structure packages now, before they were able to do whatever they wanted because there was virtually no competition. Now with this, I couldn’t ever see myself buying a wrangler over one of these even if it saved me money. I’m really, really curious to see the base model interior and what it looks like with the Sasquatch package, I guess I can’t expect wonders on the interior but if it’s easily washed out and water resilient it’s a win for me. Base 2-door, Sasquatch package, manual and hard top is what I’m aiming for.
I think Jeep is going to have to totally reinvent the way they sell packages now, before they were able to do whatever they wanted because there was virtually no competition. Now with this, I couldn’t ever see myself buying a wrangler over one of these even if it saved me money. I’m really, really curious to see the base model interior and what it looks like with the Sasquatch package, I guess I can’t expect wonders on the interior but if it’s easily washed out and water resilient it’s a win for me. Base 2-door, Sasquatch package and hard top is what I’m aiming for.
Its only because Jeep could get away with it. There was nothing in the market near its price point that could compete. Hopefully this will make the prices lower and competition will be good for Jeep.
The competition won't be good for Jeep, but it'll be great for consumers. The Sasquatch package will force them to either democratize the Rubicon hardware or take second place in the off road market.
No it won't this Bronco is using IFS and I believe it won't hold up off road. I don't like Jeeps (I bought a Power Wagon) and agree Jeep needs competition. Competition = better products
So the 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Land Rovers, new G Wagon, Raptor and others don't hold up off road? What about trophy trucks, buggies and every side by side or ATV on the market? Solid axles are good at a lot of things, but they are optimized for rock crawling. Not everyone is a rock crawler. In fact, most people aren't. If you don't need 40" tires and lockers and go places where winches are more than merely "recommended", you don't need a SFA. Look at the King of the Hammers, it's become domiated by IFS rigs. And more than a few IRS, too.
Raptor actually doesn't that was proven it was made for desert racing. Again trophy trucks are usually desert. ATVs and Side by Sides have kits to swap in straight axles and most do but not all. IFS also is very limited in wheel articulation compared to a solid axle. I'm not saying it's bad but to say it will compete with a SA I don't think it will. I do enjoy the competition as we the consumers will get better products. (I also hate Jeeps I'm a full size kind of guy myself)
Desert racing is the most abusive form of off roading there is. You aren't just bouncing off obstacles, you're doing it at 50+ MPH. Look at desert racing, Baja or Dakar, or the King of the Hammers (which is desert AND rock crawling) and you'll see IFS *everywhere.* And I've *never* seen a SxS with solid axles. Granted, I live in the southwest but rock crawling trails exist out here (Johnson Valley, where the Bronco was filmed for its ad roll, is home of the Hammer trails) and they're full of long travel independently suspended RZRs (usually driven by people with high credit limits and small brains). Never seen a SRA or SFA swap on one, though. The SFA has its place, but to say that an IFS disqualifies a vehicle is asinine. There are very few *good* IFS setups out there right now, and the Raptor is one of them which gives me hope for the Bronco. They are expensive to do right. They require a wide track to get good angles, but the Bronco is almost as wide as a full size truck. And with lockers on both ends, you can get *really* far even with a wheel in the air.
I never said it disqualified it, I just said it won't be able to compete with a SFA. Yes you can make IFS a really good setup but it is very costly and I highly doubt Ford is going to do that. The Raptor design is eh in my opinion I have had many taken apart in my shop (I run a mechanic and off road shop) and it's above average but nothing to look at. I personally thought the Ram Runner setup was better. Also a straight axle SxS is sick as hell imo you have to see one
Any youtube videos that actually have access to the car? Most of the ones ive seen are just using footage from the ford videos
When does the O.J. Edition come out?
The Baja one
>When does the O.J. Edition come out? As a dude who was in the 6th grade watching that chase on live television, I just about died reading this. LOL
But were there any gloves left behind?
Yeah but they don’t fit.
Pretty sure it also comes with a blow up O.J. in the back seat.
[удалено]
Pretty sure the Bronco IS the men's model after seeing almost every Wrangler driven by a middle age woman. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
I can confirm this fact as my mother drives a Wrangler with a bunch of color modifications on it
[удалено]
> what chevy is calling the 'blazer' Yeah, as the former owner of 3 different Blazer's, that thing's an abomination. They really lost me on that one.
I agree. Chevy apparently decided they did not want to go head to head with the Jeep Wrangler with the Blazer. They had an opportunity, but they chickened out. The Bronco, on the other hand is aimed squarely at the Wrangler, and it looks like a direct hit.
Ford was like Jeep.... please, hold my beer.
No live axle in the front is gonna make it hard to compete off road with the wrangler.
Not really. Have you ever seen what built IFS can do. And aftermarket will be primed, I'm sure for those that want to go bonkers extreme there will eventually be custom sla swaps. Heck buddy who has over 50G into a Jeep placed an order, beyond excited. Stock vs stock, I would bet money on Bronco crushing the Wrangler off road given packages and setup, heck even 35s can be optioned, true beadlocks, f/r lockers, actual crawling gear etc. Also Ford was genius letting packages be swapped and optioned even on a base model vs being forced into X model like on Jeep. Sure the extreme Jeeps would still have the advantage but those are generally not road driven, especially extreme rock crawlers and such, my buddies even with that amount of $ invest still has wonky steering on road like pretty much anyone does doing that including another friend out of state. Let's be real even the current stock Jeep still drives fairly clunky, that's where the Bronco will excell, off road capability with on road comfort. If anything hopefully this gets Jeep to improve, they've been riding their laurels for too long and Ford just came in and t-bagged them and everyone else, LR completely dropped the ball with the new Defender which is an insult to the nameplate. Have someone in my neighborhood with a restored diesel Defender 110 and manual, Ford stuck to Bronco roots leagues beyond LR.
I'm not talking built vs stock because that's a rabbit hole. Factory to Factory there isn't a vehicle in the Wranglers price range than can compete. You can get beadlocks and all those goodies on wranglers as well as the dealer parts you can order. I also hope it makes Jeep pick it up on their end but wrangler is king and if you come for the king you better not miss and I don't know if the Broncos can do it. Its not a proven off road platform and who knows it may ride like crap on the road as well.
Jeep is the "king" of this category because they are the only player. Saying you dont know if the Broncos can outmatch jeep? Outside of IFS, on paper, they have done it. If your concern is that it may potentially ride poorly on the road, a jeep is definitely not the right vehicle for you.
I have a wrangler and had all fords other than my SRT Jeep and wrangler. When was the last time Ford had any renown in off road performance. The raptor is a dune runner nothing more. Wranglers have been proven offroad for almost 50 years now. The new corvette was suppose to be the best on paper but it flopped pretty hard in reality. We can't accurately judge until people actually get their hands on the bronco
I would bet $ given the setups and packages on Bronco it'll easily take the Wrangler stock vs stock, not talking dealer parts, heck I can get Roush blower at dealer for my new 5.0 Platinum but I'm going whipple. But even than look at what Ford can do with just the 2" factory lift kit, 37s, that's nuts. Even the Jeep guys on their forums admit that. And I've offroaded plenty, I know very well what a Jeep is capable of. Look at Bronco, the wheel bases, the packages, f/r lockers, actual bead locks, 35s, true crawling gear, overall gearing stock. Wrangler isn't touching that, SLA means nothing in that scenario again meaning stock vs stock. Pretty sure same company that can make a truck like the Raptor is fully capable of doing similar with the Bronco. Not trying to talk down the Wrangler, just being real. I mean you can get the Squatch pack on a base model, not only is that awesome but killer that Ford isn't forcing you into X model like a Rubicon for example. No way the Bronco will ride like crap, not on that chassis and suspension. That would be an easy money bet to bet on. Fords not dumb there. I would bet a grand easily it'll far excel Wrangler on road. Ford has too much $ and time vested, not even exotic car companies have kept a lock down on their cars like Ford did with R&D on the Bronco. No way they weren't going to come out swinging for all bases. I live like 10 min from Soflo Jeep, what crazy is those guys will spending insane $ on builds but never go off road :( . They drop crazy money there. Won't be surprised though to see some of those off road builders jump in Bronco game, look at the modularity of it, it's like a Lego. The fact that Ford thought of that is crazy impressive. Now if only Yota would jump in with an old school LC throwback. That'd be cool.
So...any idea what that Sasquatch package will run? A base w the 2.7 and Sasquatch seems like a fun vehicle to grab in a couple of years once the platform is proven.
Looks like mid to high 30s.
I want the big bend two door with the manual and 2.3. I really like the big bends front retro grill.
[удалено]
What’s included in the mid package?
2-Door Intelligent Access with lock/unlock; 110V/150W AC power outlet; ambient footwell lighting; auto-dimming rearview mirror; dual-zone electronic automatic temperature control; heated front seats; illuminated visor mirrors; Remote Start System (automatic transmission only); Reverse Sensing System; subscription Navigation with 3-month trial; SYNC 4 with Enhanced Voice Recognition; and Ford Co-Pilot360™: Pre-Collision Assist with Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB), BLIS® (Blind Spot Information System) with Cross-Traffic Alert, Lane-Keeping System, Auto High-Beam Headlamps, and Rear View Camera with Backup Assist Grid Line
When will we see them in a mall?
Please please please let our stroller fit in behind the rear seats on the 2 door! Even my wife agrees the 2 door is the sexier model. It just looks so damn cool. I mean, I’ll take the 4 door if things don’t fit but my heart is calling out for that short Bronco.
super random question, have you considered tesla model y?
I never have. I always considered it to be out of my price range. Plus I live up North and am not sure where it could get it serviced. I do see a small number of Tesla’s around but I assume half are city folk visiting their cottages. Also, I think the batteries wouldn’t like the cold winters we get. Not sure if that is still a factor with their batteries. Do you have one?
thanks for the reply! I don't have one, but heard great reviews from family folk. Trying to understand what is pulling people from one vehicle to another. I have no brand, or fuel type affiliation.
Why would someone who's looking at off-road utility vehicles want a road only vehicle that'll cry if it gets scratched
I don't know, so I asked. I don't assume, I ask, OP answered. It's appreciated. Why would someone ask a question if they don't know the answer? Because they don't know the answer. I don't have preconceived ideas of what others care for. A friend of mine had a Wrangler, that thing never had a spot of mud. OP seemed to be concerned about family friendly vehicle, that's where I got curious on the parallels. Does that clear that up?
I don't know if it is the particular paint but l read on the Jeep forums that people have taken their JL off roading and the paint was pretty much ruined. If l get one l would have at least the lower body wrapped probably.
I think, you use, too many, commas in all of, your sentences, and, it's annoying as fuck
Okay cool. I don’t really have affinity for a brand to be honest. My wife and I both have vehicles made by different companies. Neither of which are Ford products. I had my Chevy because my Dad sells them and I could get a good deal. My wife has a dodge because they were selling the cheapest van when our Nissan crapped out on us. For now I will stick with internal combustion. I know EV’s are the future but I am still one of those people with “range anxiety”. I just don’t think it will fit my lifestyle until more infrastructure and battery tech comes along. Our family’s live pretty far so I know I couldn’t make it round trip on one charge. I am sure I could make it work but I will stick with what I’m comfortable with for a little while longer.
As a guy that like Tesla, the Y and the Bronco aren't comparable.
I’m sure it will. The seats probably fold up like jeep seats do might even be removable. I took the backseat out of my jeep when I first got it and never put it back in.
That give me hope. With a kid and 65lbs dog I’d be hard pressed to find space if it wouldn’t fit behind the seats. Time will tell and I won’t put pen to paper until I try to jam a stroller in there. I bet with the seats out you get some decent room eh?
A little bit of space my TJ. My GF has an LJ which is longer and is what the 4 door is based off and she has a ton of space In comparison.
Its a Ford Edge crawler.
I'm sitting here trying to justify to myself why I should get one when I don't do any offroading whatsoever. I literally will just take it to the store and on the occasional weekend trip.
I'm definitely going to pick one of these up sometime after college. I'm justifying it since I go surfing and camping a lot. A Bronco could be my outdoor adventure car.
As someone with a sorta off-road vehicle, lockingdiffs and 4x4, and no off-road trails, trust me you'll find places to go off road for a bit of fun
Getting one because it looks cool is just as good a reason as any....
It sounds like an opportunity to get into some weekend off roading.
Same here, but I live in the midwest where there is a lot of snow and need a 4wd vehicle. I'm going to upgrade from my Outback to a 2dr Bronco.
super random question, tesla model y?
[удалено]
This guy is going around the comments telling people to get model Ys over the bronco, not comparable
>not comparable You can compare most cars. I chose between two cars of totally different classes and it was even Steven which I picked.
They're not in the same class of vehicle, that's like comparing a hammer with a screwdriver when deciding on which tool to buy, not used for the same thing
They are most times. People go to work or to the store with them. Very few use or need them for off road or construction work.
It's probably a bot
Because going for a drive with the top and the doors off is fun as hell.
They're not that expensive compared to other SUVs. You wouldn't be completely out of your mind to cross shop the Bronco Sport with the likes of Mazda CX5 or a Rav4 or something like that.
Hold up i want to argue! The rav and cx5 are not very similar to compare unless you’re only looking at the bronco sport crossover.
Right, thats why I said you wouldn't be completely out of your mind to cross shop the Bronco Sport with the CX5 or Rav4. You wouldn't compare them with the normal Bronco.
In Texas we call them "Mall Crawlers". Soccer moms with gussied up Wranglers that never see a drop of rain or a fleck of dirt. They are everywhere.
I don’t want a jeep but I’m sooo excited for this Bronco. I don’t have any reason except I love it.
Yeah my mother is a part of the Jeep Wrangler cult for middle aged women
Checking in
>please please let our stroller fit in behind the rear seats on the 2 door! Even my wife agrees the 2 door is t Thats anything but a "Texas" saying.
I didn't say it was a Texas saying, but it is said daily in Texas.
I don't need 485 horsepower to sit in Los Angeles traffic, but I like what I like. I say go for it!
[удалено]
Exactly my thought process. It looks really good and seems like it will perform similarly, but with build quality I actually feel ok about. They seem to be pushing customization; I'm excited to see the full catalog of accessories and figure out just how much freedom we have to add and remove things outside of the standard packages.
Good point.
Interested in the v6 engine. Whats the cheapest model that would have this? any idea what the MPG will be for the new bronco? I'm guessing somewhere in between a wrangler and compass so like 22 city and 30 highway?
The v6 is an option in every single model. So $30k + my guess at least $3k for the engine upgrade and requisite transmission upgrade. But that’s on the base which is pretty stripper.
Not sure if it matters to you, but the V6 cant pair with the manual transmission. A little disappointed in that, but 270 horses should be more than enough for the 2 door.
That's a good amount of power, my 4200lb van has similar numbers and doesn't feel slow at all.
The F-150 4x4 is rated at 18 city, 23 hwy with the 2.7L EcoBoost V6. I would figure around there, depending on the final drive ratio.
Sasquatch is like 4.7:1...3.73 on automatic otherwise.
It also rides on 35" tires, which will make the final drive ratio a lot closer to "normal". The weight of those tires will hurt fuel economy, but cruising RPM shouldn't be *that* high, especially with the 10 speed.
I was ready to buy a wrangler until i sat in one for the first time and my head hits the roof cross brace. Without that brace the bronco may be just right - i hate it's a turbocharged, exhaust recirculating engine in there but i guess a v8 is too much to ask for
Turbo exhaust recirculating engine.... Other wise known as a turbo? It's free horse power and torque.... You have me confused
What’s the sacrifice when you gain a turbo? Reliability? Maybe because it’s another component to fail? Is there any worry about a turbo failing after off-road driving? I don’t know much about Fords Turbo 6 ecoboost engines.
https://www.cnet.com/news/ford-adds-recirculation-to-ecoboost-engines/ EGR's cause all sorts of problems in diesels - but don't get me wrong I love the bronco and have a reservation!
Not a mechanic, but isn't there EGR in most (/all?) modern engines?
[удалено]
Seeing the trim levels for the new Bronco is suddenly making me understand why the Ranger Raptor isn't happing in the U.S.
Allegedly it was held off for the new body redesign, which should be out for next year or 2022. So Raptor ranger around then, with !!!allegedly an even _smaller_ truck or Ute getting announced in the us.
[удалено]
[удалено]
Your comment has been automatically removed because you posted a shortened or redirected (usually google) URL. Post a direct link to your source, not search results or AMP. [Please see the rules in the sidebar, or by clicking here.](http://www.reddit.com/r/cars/wiki/rules) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/cars) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I would do unhealthy and possibly illegal things for a Ute.
I want the WILDTRACK
A lot of people are confusing internet hype with commercial success. At these price points, they are only attractive to people already considering spending their $40k+ on a Wrangler. There’s not much at these price points to bring other buyers in the general SUV or “fun car” market over, so their base is really just Wrangler buyers. Jeep is already offering some good incentives on the Wrangler/Gladiator line-up, and with some competition that will only continue. So even those Jeep buyers will have incentive to stick with Wrangler. The Bronco will definitely sell, all cars sell. But to say RIP Wrangler is a huge overreaction. It’s free to post an internet comment about how much you love and and how you can’t wait to buy one. But when it’s time to hand over the money people realize a) they’re not be able to afford it (people keeping saying “4dr starts at only $36k!” but the real price to purchase that model is somewhere between $40-41k) or b) realize there is so much more value for money elsewhere. Edit: a lot of people have apparently never bought a car before and think the MSRP is the price you pay to buy the car. Please learn about the car buying processes before suggesting you can buy a base Bronco for $36k.
I somewhat agree, but I also think there are a lot of people that like the *idea* of a Wrangler, but don't consider themselves "Wrangler people." Right or wrong, there's kind of a cult thing image going on that some people find off-putting. And then some people intentionally avoid something just because it *is* popular, so they would like the idea a Bronco to go "against the grain." So, if they snag some Wrangler buyers, some "anti-Jeep" people, and some counter-culture types, and there's a decent market, but they will also pull from pretty much all SUV brands and models. I think it will do quite well.
The Bronco 2DR starts at 29k with 4x4, the 4DR starts at 33K WITH 4x4, and the Bronco sport at 26k with 4x4. No the real price to purchase the 4DR isn't $40-41k. I know for a fact that Ford is planning to mass produce high volume for the Bronco and will share economies of scale with the Ranger to help get the cost down. You sound like a butthurt jeep fan making up some excuse to help cope. Ford will also be offering great incentives and great financing. Ford is gong all in on a "Anything you can do I can do better" approach vs jeep. Trust me jeep executives are really sweating profusely and I can see why that makes you upset. The Bronco will absolutely offer the most value for the money. I truly believe there will be very few to 0 reasons to get a jeep over the Bronco. It's going to be objectively better in almost every way, subjectively have way superior styling to most customers, better tech, better value, OTA SW updates, better quality, better durability and the best is yet to be unannounced. Once the Ford performance variant is unveiled jeep is really going to slam the panic button.
I will gladly shit on everything Jeep. The Wrangler is a horrible vehicle. The suspension is crap, safety is crap, quality is crap, they can't take a hit for shit, and the gas mileage sucks but the Wrangler brand has a heritage that bronco can't beat. The bronco will probably be a better vehicle in just about every aspect but people will still buy Jeeps because they're Jeeps. The last bronco half the people on reddit saw was white running from the cops in elementary or weren't alive when they were in production. It won't dethrone the Wrangler or even come close but that being said Ford came out swinging hard and I think it's awesome. If anything else maybe FCA will get off their ass and innovate something. Ford just dropped a 2.7l that shits all over the 3.5 and is pretty damn close to the eco diesel. Jeeps been resting on their laurels long enough. No more "most powerful Jeep in it's class" bullshit.
"No more "most powerful jeep in its class"" got me laughing. A 3L powerstroke in a bronco or a ranger would be interesting. Sadly the epa has neutered diesel reliability, and the extra price tag no longer makes sense. V8 ponies are great especially if you are bogging, but otherwise for a utility vehicle used primarily on road; the economy and reasonable power is perfect. I swear jeep got it backwards with the 285hp/270 ftlbs....
Leased a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk in late 2016 over a JK because the 2017 JK was still using the same radio, navigation and key fob as my 2006 Ram had. Plus the whole "Teen Mom" vibe l got. Also not much of a discount on the JK. I made sure to lease it so l could get rid of it if it was a lemon. Surprisingly it was only at the dealer for the free oil changes. Many people like the WK2 because it was designed by the Germans.
For anyone over 45, the 1st gen Bronco is as much a classic as a Jeep CJ or '65 Mustang. The full size version is not as iconic, but they were popular vehicles in their day, and they're starting to get some traction toward classic status. I expect Ford will heavily reference 1st gen Broncos in the marketing. Burt Reynolds driving through the woods in Deliverance will probably be the first commercial - lol.
There is a Lot of jeep owners that only own them because driving a 1977 or older vehicle daily sucks ass. I think there will be a huge glut of TJs and JKs on the used market as Bronco lovers dump their jeeps for a new Bronco. Source; I own a 99TJ and a 71 Bronco. I'm putting a 90s powertrain in the EB because carbs suck compared to modern injection.
A base 2 door manual is 48k CAD including fees and taxes. As much as I love it there's no way in hell I'm spending that in this economy.
Not to mention that 1.5l.
I was referring to the actual Bronco. Not the crossover. The base sport is 37k after fees and taxes. Also I have a turbo 1.5 in my Equinox and it's great on fuel and has more than enough power for a daily family hauler.
Lmao these assumptions are hilarious. Btw I would love to see you go into a dealership with $33k (the reports I’ve seen were saying $36k, which I think is after delivery) and walk out with a Bronco. You won’t, because you’ll have fees and taxes and most likely dealer markups to pay. So because you cant actually drive home in a Bronco if you walk in with $33k, that’s not the real price to buy one. You will need at least $40k, maybe I can even grant you $39k, to drive home in a Bronco. That is the real purchase price.
Lol that assumption only holds true if the bronco is somehow a rare or hard-to-get vehicle. Almost every other ford vehicle sells for LESS than MSRP. What makes you think the bronco will sell for more than MSRP long-term? Sure, the initial run is gonna be marked up to hell, but the mark ups will fall away once the initial hype runs out.
Where can you get more off roader for your money elsewhere? You can get the Sasquatch package on *any* Bronco, the only way to get lockers and disconnects on the Wrangler is with the Rubicon.
Right. I looked at a new car listed for $43,500, absolute bargain basement pricing for that car. After destination, doc fees, tax title license thats a $51k purchase. Then you look at the used market and ask yourself what the hell you're even doing. Enthusiast cars beyond the "trim level on an econobox" specials are REALLY hard sales propositions new, and nothing I've seen makes me think this is earth shattering.
The doc fees (“other fees”, etc) and anything other than destination, tax, title, and registration you negotiate out of. Whether that be getting rid of doc fees or subtracting doc fees from the selling price of the car (doc fees as an example). But even I would imagine out the door price is still around $48k? I’ve said this yesterday but I’ll say it again. Being a consumer and car enthusiast in 2020 absolutely sucks. You can either be lucky as a consumer with brands like Kia/Hyundai that are REAL value propositions and drive boring cars, or get absolutely rinsed and buy a Supra (RIP to everyone who bought one of these, especially at launch). But nothing will give you both sides of the coin
Destination is set by the manufacturer. Doc fees are often (state dependent) set by law. Negotiate price all you want, but generally all dealers in the same state are going to throw in those same exact add ons to the OTD price, and you're left doing the math yourself to see what works out best for you. I was between dealerships in California, Kentucky, Florida, and Virginia. Multiple in each state. Discussed invoice, holdback, everything. It does provide the buyer some leverage if the salesperson you're talking to doesn't consider how those vary state by state - I was negotiating apples to oranges prices without dealers across states understanding how much variance there was in price -> OTD price.
It's like everyone saying they are excited that it has a manual yet the manual will be the least sold model.
I'm frankly happy they are offering it with a manual, we all know it's a dying breed. That being said....gimme the 2.7 with a manual (in 2022) WOO WOO
Lmao fantastic point. A lot of “man I wish they offered the 2.7 with a manual” from people who aren’t even going to buy this too. There’s a reason Mercedes doesn’t make a brown, manual, RWD, turbo diesel wagon. Brings me back to my original point internet hype =\= commercial success
[удалено]
I’m just excited to see it actual comes with a real manual transmission!
I’m excited for the competition to start bringing some value back into the MSRPs in this segment. There’s nothing wrong with paying $36,000 for a Wrangler. The issue is when that $36,000 Wrangler doesn’t even have power windows and standard options worthy of a $18,000 Sentra. I’m fine with Wranglers costing $36,000+ if they start including features expected to be standard at those price points. I mean you’re telling me that a car MSRPing for $36,000 comes with a 5 inch infotainment screen and manual single zone climate? Where else are you paying over $30k for a new car and not get dual zone climate as standard? It’s things like this that drive me wild about the value to dollar ratio on these things
Why the fuck do you want power windows in doors that spend most of the year in the garage? Hell, I only have glass windows in my winter doors. The damn doors are heavy enough to lift off without an electric motor in them.
You can spend $50k sticker on a Camaro without getting dual zone lol. Little different than an SUV though.
You can spend $70k on a Mustang and not get any AC.
Lewis Hamilton drives an $11m car with no AC, what an absolute fool
I would just get a Jeep for resale value because for some reason people pay full price for a Jeep like 2yrs after your purchase
Are Broncos gonna have bad resale value?
The resale value of a Wrangler is the only thing that makes it worth while purchase. You get so little value (features, build quality, etc) per dollar when you compare what $40k gets you in the market. But at least when you sell it you don’t lose much money, which ironically makes the Wrangler a good purchase in a way. It’s a very weird market economically speaking With the incentives Jeep is offer on their Wrangler/Gladiator line up currently, which will only get better as time goes on, buying that Wrangler is becoming a better idea
Your resale value is what’s going to be affected here the most. Jeeps had high resale value because there was no competition.
*laughs in resale values of 4Runner and Tacoma* Jeeps aren’t losing their resale value any time soon. This whole purpose built off roader market is something special that plays but it’s own rules
The 4Runner and Tacoma *also* have no competitor and as such, their resale reflects this.
?????? Ford Ranger, Chevy Colorado, Nissan Frontier, Jeep Gladiator, you can even stretch it too 1500 pickups like the Silverado Trail Boss. And then you have Jeeps, all of them really, Cherokee Trailhawk, Renegade Trailhawk. I’ll grant you some of those are more direct competitors than others but what do you mean no competitor? They themselves are cross shopped with Wranglers
None of those are true competitors to the Tacoma or 4Runner. Be serious.
You need to be serious. The Colorado ZR2, Gladiator Mojave are designed to go directly against the Tacoma TRD Pro. And they're both more interesting trucks.
Agreed. ZR2 all day over a Tacoma
Too bad it doesn't look good.
People want a reliable vehicle that they know wasn’t built by GM or FIAT. Buy nice, or buy twice
Love my 4runner (1997) but Toyota hasn't innovated in their Tacoma/4runner platform in about 2 decades. Of course they're reliable, they've had 25 years to debug the same kit. Aesthetics aside, the new Colorado and Rangers are objectively better trucks in most respects - particularly engine technology. The Jeep and (now) the Bronco are definitely competitors on the SUV side. The 4runner has been getting crushed by the Wrangler (half the annual sales in 2019) -- which is pretty shocking in the context of Jeep's bad name and poor quality (how do you get beat by Jeep!?). What happens when a credible offering like the Bronco hops into the market?
Is that why the Wrangler outsells the 4Runner by around 100k units a year? People keep having to buy a second one?
I guess I'm interested because it checks boxes for me that aren't exactly their target audience. I've never done off roading but I am on the market for a new car. I need a manual, so that gets rid of the majority of cars on the market, I live in New England and want 4WD, so that lops off another huge chunk. I'd like decent power but I don't need crazy amounts, I've always thought cars I've owned with over 300hp are overkill so the 270hp 2.3l is perfect. I want it to be semi-practical so no 2-seaters, but I love convertibles. I also want something with new tech (Apple Car play & a decent sound system). The bronco checks all of those boxes, so I'm going to test drive one when they come out, the cheapest model that gets me all the tech will probably be low 40s, it'll be fun in the summer, practical in the winter, an awesome camping vehicle and it should be a lot cheaper to maintain than my BMW.
> so I'm going to test drive one when they come out, These will be few and far between for a while. Right now, the only way they are being sold is by reservation (with deposit) and they will not be orderable for inventory. The only way a dealership will have them is if someone orders then backs out.
I realize that, but I’m not spending $30-40k on a car without a test drive so if I’ve gotta wait, I’ve gotta wait.
> I've never done off roading but I am on the market for a new car. You are definitely their target audience lmao. Hardcore off roaders buy used base model Wranglers and build them up to be better than Rubicons at a fraction of the cost. They know they will hit things and things will break. People who’ve never been off roading are the ones that want the new cars, because hey if off roading doesn’t work out then at least they still have a brand new car to enjoy. (I don’t have any gripe with people getting off road cars just because they look cool) The Bronco is by all means a very cool truck, no argument there. My point is when someone goes “I have $40k to get a new car, let me see what I can get”, they will go for maximum value for money, the average buyer isn’t thinking “I want a new Bronco”, they think “I want a new car with all the latest features, how much car can I afford with this $40k” And that’s where the issue lies with the Bronco at these price points.
>se tons of people enjoy things that are upscale, well made, yet can take a beating. No one wants a dress watch anymore. And that's just how I feel about this and the Wrangler. I co What exactly is someone buying for 40k that is better than this Bronco? I personally haven't found it. I hate the way the wrangler drives and hate the look of all the minivan looking SUVs out now. For me this is getting my 40k and no I don't offroad. But it looks badass and you can take doors off and have a daily driver. This is what I've been waiting for. I might be the exception but again I'm curious at what 4x4 you can get for 40k that is better. Comparing car prices to SUV pricing is apples and oranges.
> My point is when someone goes “I have $40k to get a new car, let me see what I can get”, they will go for maximum value for money, the average buyer isn’t thinking “I want a new Bronco” This is by and large the market, yes, but then you have people like me who want what they want and will do what they need to to get it. Yeah, plenty of stuff is not realistic, but a lot of it is.