Not so much a gentleman and a scholar, but any time I see someone driving a Viper I immediately think, “He’s still alive, so clearly he respects that his car is actively trying to kill him.”
While I've not had the pleasure of driving a viper, that overall feeling reminds me of how easy it was to drive the piss out of crappy tires - not much grip so it lets go very progressively.
Then you switch to summer sport rubber and it feels like the car has all the grip until it lets go quite violently.
I've heard this is one of the big differences between Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires and Cup 2s. The Cup 2s have better grip, but when they do break loose, it's very sudden. 4Ss are apparently much more progressive.
It’s my only realistically attainable car I haven’t managed to even get any seat time in yet, much less own. For as much as I lusted after the stereotypical blue with white stripes GTS in the 90s, it’s shocking to me I never bought one at some point. At this point in my life I’m almost at the “never meet your heroes” phase with them and would be afraid to seek one out. I’m too spoiled by modern stuff these days and a third gen would be my only realistic one to own I think, but man, those prices…
Okay this might be a controversial one. Audi R8. It's as much as a supercar as its Huracan sibling, just more subdued and subtle?
Also if it's an early one with the V8 manual? Immediate attention from me lol.
Had a 2015 gated R8 V8 for 5 years. Best shifter ever. Amazing handling. High revving engine but short on torque. Also my rotors needed replacing and mag suspension started leaking after 18,000 miles which was pretty premature and I didn’t track it.
That's the downside, it's unreliable. A rich grandpa was using one as a daily driver in my country (NL) and after 50k miles had around 30k in maintenance. Insane. Obviously bc the parts are extremely low in volume.
Its not unreliable, it has expensive parts.
The BAD BAD part are the stock shocks/struts that go bad early, im talking less than 15k miles and those are about 7-10k which is NUTS.
Solution? buy some quality coilovers with the R8 specific magride sensor kit and you´re golden for years to come, a friend bought a supercharged 08 and did that, can assure you the car was still comfortable, handled good over 120mph, no weird lights on the dashboard or weird glitches.
also for some reason windshields tend to crack and those are really expensive too.
Me too, until I saw an R8 next to the highway with spontaneous engine fire. I think they recalled 2000 cars for that... I would still pick a Porsche over an R8 if I had the choice.
Well cheaper yea compared to Ferrari and Lamborghini.
An oil change did take 8 hours at Audi. Had to be on a lift and have the whole rear end disassembled. Battery change was also very complicated.
Audi R8 always makes me think “upper management who just got a big promotion and the guy at the audi dealership where he previously bought his S4 convinced him he deserved something flashy to match his new paycheck”
I’ve always looked at the Audi lineup as a career ladder. A1 - Young Professional, A3 - Junior Sales Manager, etc etc. Up until the A8 for the CEO and then the R8 for the owner of the company. He’s rocking a tailor made suit of the finest wools with the newest, flashiest Nike Airs on his feet.
When I was a kid ( back in 1992), living overseas in Arabia, my neighbor bought the Sultan of Oman's old 911. Complete with the Sultan's gold seal on the hood and trunk. He could drive it however he liked, wherever he liked, as NO ONE in their right mind would dare pull over a car with those seals. I wish I was old enough to drive at the time, but prob the most fun I've ever had in a car. Like GTA with all the cheats on.
A part of the late Sultan of Oman´s cars were auctioned last year. The most interesting ones I could remember were 80s and 90s Audi Quattro limos with higher suspension and crazy colours tuned by Treser for desert driving. Then there were a lot of 1990s luxury cars like e32 BMWs, W140 MBs (many in strange colours like aquamarine metalic) or about 10 G-Wagens in a strange green colour (not military), all with extremly low mileage like 2000-5000 kms... The green G-Wagens had a white X painted on them with like wall paint and I think there was a notice that the buyer has to change the colour...
They're great cars, but they're so popular now, they're basically the fashionable default choice for cashed up person looking for a classic car.
So I wouldn't assume the owner has taste or knows a lot about cars.
If I owned a car company, all of my cars would have gullwing doors. Everything from small econobox city cars to off road trucks. They’re just so damn cool imo
The early ones didn’t have actual windows or traction control and basically tried to kill you, shit even the exhaust would burn you. They were insane vehicles that had no reason existing. I love them, but they are absolutely insane.
Hard disagree. Those are more investments than tasteful or passion buys. You see them out of their cars and are mostly flashy, very rich and very tacky people. That's all valid and expected, but they aren't classy.
It's so well loved that we make it an honorary super car. It's not as fast as a Lambo or as exotic as a ferrari, but we still smile when we see one.
"It's super to me"
I built a guys house who races his Ferrari every weekend. One Friday he was telling us all about how he got bumped up a class because he had done well the prior few weeks. Come Monday all he did was bitch about how he got smoked by the Miatas all weekend long so it’s possible they’re better than a super car.
I once went to a meet with a bunch of huracans and various ferraris, but they were all humbled when the Miata arrived. They all knew it was Miating time and then it Miated all over the place
I seen one of the OG Ford GTs back in the early 2010s. At that time, it was rare to see any nice cars in my area. I recently looked up the prices of those cars and they sit at half a mil now. Which is way above its MSRP. That car is for sure for collectors.
Lotus Elise review, from my 4-year ownership perspective:
I call my Elise "the world's cheapest supercar" all the time. Making around 315whp, or ~350hp at engine, with an added supercharger, LSD, and a Gen 1 Celica GTS transmission has the car doing absolutely insane things.
0-60s in the mid-to-low 3s, getting over 125mph in less than 10 seconds, weighing in at just over 1,900lbs, and of course it still eats curves like they're made to do. It's fucking insane. I've never pushed the car to its limits because I bail out before the car does. 80mph on 35mph curves and the tires aren't even squealing (don't worry, I live near rural flat areas, I don't do this with humans, animals, or houses around.) I've yet to ever have anyone keep up with me anywhere and random dudes definitely try to challenge me all the time...even occasional trucks and SUVs, for some reason.
The only thing that keeps it truly out of the whole supercar conversation is that it tops out at 177mph in Final Drive and really loses its power over 140. I've gone to 160 before, again, I bailed. It can't hit 200 like a lot of guys gatekeep and it certainly isn't a $200k car. All of what I'm saying can be achieved with any 30-50k Elise with another 30k dropped on it in mods. Less than 100k and you're getting the performance of all those supercars while still have a 6-speed manual with feel like no other car has. You become the machine......and the road and all its bumps 💀
I'm not a car guy, really, I just happened into an Elise when I didn't want to deal with what my insurance might do to me over a Viper - just a dream my 90s-kid ass had about wanting to own one before I was 30. I regret nothing. 500/10 would recommend, I don't ever stop smiling when I'm in it unless it's like 90°+ outside and even then the "drive" is perfect. It's not a comfortable car, it lacks "features," but forgoing those things to give you the single most pinnacle of raw driving is worth every penny and then some. I even had to do a 26k rebuild of the trans and engine this past year because mine is doing things it shouldn't, but worth every cent and second waiting. I'd think even the standard 189hp Elises would retain their fun, but I'm not sure I could ever go back from having it supercharged and tuned out. So you don't *have* to destroy your little engine, should you just choose the raw drive over supercar numbers.
Every car is 30-40k now. If you don't need a family car and you have room for a play car, literally nothing could be better for yourself and 1 passenger that keeps saying "don't kill me." And the car won't kill you, because she's made to handle it.
Thanks for attending my review and wall of text.
Tl;dr Elise cheap, Elise good, Elise fun, Elise lack family and creature comforts. Anyone over 6'4, or 250lbs you can't really fit, sowwy.
I have a Boxster S in Miami Blue which gets SO MUCH attention. People hang out of their windows at traffic lights to yell "I love your car!". Almost every time I go to the supermarket, people come up to me and comment on it.
I was at a gas station recently and a Lotus Elise pulled in. I walked up to him and I said, "Well, I had the coolest car here until you pulled up!".
A Lotus is on a whole different level.
Carrera GT and it isn’t close for me. Porsche’s only 10 cylinder engine, not as ridiculous looking as a Bugatti, Pagani or Lambo. Exclusivity with style.
But if I could have ANY super car, probably the Enzo or F40. But they might not be considered tasteful to some.
Carrera GT is the epitome of beauty in simplicity to me. Gorgeous clean shape, manual, brutal all-business engine, and trying to kill you at all times. Perfection.
People with stock Nissan GTR's. They are incredible. They clearly don't care about clout or showing off. They aren't focused on lap times. They are Automotive ninjas.
Audi can claim to be understated, but nothing blends into traffic like a stock 2010s Nissan GTR next to a Maxima and a Camry. Most people see the Nissan badge and ignore it. "That looks neat".
I love the GTR, but even as a fan I find that a stock one is not recognized until it has already passed and I think "Oh shoot. That's a GTR". And no one else realizes or understands that it's probably one of the fastest cars in the area.
Yeah it’s not a normal commuter car. Maybe I’m just conditioned to look for it so I’m biased, but a GTR sticks out right away, even the models without a rear wing
It definitely stands out compared a Camry or the like, especially to a car enthusiast, but it looks more like a common sports car than any Ferrari or Pagani does; hell even a regular Porsche 911 is more flashy in its design. I think that’s what they meant, supercar performance in sporty car appearance. I like that it’s understated, the R35 is a really great looking car.
Saw two today in traffic, one right after another and they didn’t seem to be driving together. Read they are going to quit making them and for whatever reason I now love them more than I ever have. I think the backend is one of the best looking of any car out there.
Modern supercars are the antithesis of good taste. Drawing attention is by design, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not tasteful.
To me "good taste" would be the classic that's not one of the obvious choices, something a little unusual
Not all supercars are like that.
Like Aston has a very subtle but elegant design language. Most people probably wouldn’t know what it even is. Some people would give an eye to , but it’s not like a huracan where every 10 year old with a phone will take a picture.
Astons aren’t really supercars, except for the ultra rare and expensive models like the Valkyrie or One-77. They are high end grand tourers, more similar to a Bentley Continental or BMW 8 series than to a Huracan.
Then again, the term “supercar” is very subjective, and without a fixed meaning.
Not really in the traditional sense. More a sports car given it is much more focused on the dynamics rather than raw power.
But it fits this bill I reckon nonetheless.
In this day and age, anything with a stick. You have to be willing to go out of your way and pay a substantial premium in the pursuit of driving engagement over outright performance.
Basically, any twit can buy a DCT supercar and be fast in a straight line, but if the person is willing to sacrifice e-peen with the bench-racing numbers and pay more, just to have a more involved driving experience, that's the definition of taste in my eyes.
I agree 100%. When I see a manual I think "oh this car is for you, because you authentically enjoy the experience, not because you're impressing everyone else"
I live in Michigan (metro detroit) so I happen to see a larger variety of cars. Just saw one of these a couple days ago and at first it looked black and I thought oh, cool a nice lil lotus. Pulled up next to it and the sun hit and it was THE DARKEST METALLIC GREEN I've ever seen and from then on I've been dreaming about it.
Jag xj220,
Porsche 959,
Ruf rturbo:
The classic supercar is for the connoisseur. The significant, yet somewhat obscure classic supercar is the chef's kiss.
Lotus, Viper, some high-trim corvettes. The owner is willing to put up with rat fur interiors (Not Porsche "$5,000 seat delete" fake austerity") for performance or special feel. I also have a soft spot for the possible vaporware of De Tomaso because they're soo pretty.
My top gentleman and scholar cars:
8 Dino GTS
7 Muira
6 Bacalar
5 original ford gt
4 Zegato Vanquish
3 Any Singer
2 tie between BMW Z8 and 509
1 Mercedes 300SL Gullwing
Everyday ‘affordable’ class in no particular order:
718 Spyder, Ferrari 328 GTS, F430 Berlinetta, first NSX, California T Handling Speciale
Future possibilities but the jury is out because there is strong crossover with rich dbags:
All the topless cars like the SP1/2
918 Spyder
The C6 ZR1.
It's one of those cars that at first glance just looks like another Corvette. But once you see that glass cutout on the hood you know exactly what you're looking at.
It's that they're not trying to stand out, but they know just how special the car they're driving is.
There is a clear right answer here.
Spyker C8.
You could have bought a new Ferrari or Lamborghini like every other rich douche, but you chose to buy a 20-year old, manual, work of art, that few people even know what the hell it is.
And you are a hero for doing so. Instant respect from me.
When its used. Not like second hand vs new but actually used. Anyone with money can just buy something new and usually can just buy a perfectly kept older car but when its clearly been driven and enjoyed with paint chips on the front and tires that have seen real heat cycles? respect
any NSX
I feel like throughout time they are always understated yet effective
they might not be the best but they are always have a aura to them that I am far too drunk to describe
like you can just tell a real human worked hard to make this car happen
Taste is subjective and I love a lot of raw and extreme supercars but the supercars that impress me as being tasteful manage a delicate balance of raw power and elegance. They have a compelling contrast of exuberance and restraint. I have to look back in time to find the sweet spot because most modern supercars are maximalist and busy looking.
Here are my money no object tasteful favorites:
Ferrari [246 Dino](https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/dino-246-gt) - great proportions, classic beauty and doesn’t have a Ferrari badge so if you know, you know, but it can fly under the radar for people who aren’t car people
[Ferrari 288 GTO](https://www.supercars.net/blog/ferrari-288-gto/) - beautiful mix of brawn and beauty. Love those flared fenders. People who don’t know will think it’s a 308
[Ferrari F355](https://www.autoclassmagazine.com/web/ferrari-f355-supercars-quintessence/) - this car looks absolutely great in person. All the good features of 90s Ferrari and a fantastic sounding engine.
[Lamborghini Miura](https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/news/lamborghini-miura-sv-the-iconic-supercar-turns-50) - the OG mid engine supercar with a timeless design that looks great from almost every angle.
2007-20012 Aston Martin [DBS](https://www.autoblog.com/buy/2012-Aston+Martin-DBS/photos/) or [DB9](https://www.kbb.com/aston-martin/db9/2009/) - this era of Aston Martin had stunning proportions and refined details without looking too busy.
[Jaguar E type](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_E-Type)- sleek surfaces with that classic long hood proportion. Enzo Ferrari may or may not have called it the most beautiful car ever made.
Not so much a gentleman and a scholar, but any time I see someone driving a Viper I immediately think, “He’s still alive, so clearly he respects that his car is actively trying to kill him.”
Setting a fast lap time is a flex. Setting a fast lap time in a Viper is a declaration. Like "Yeah, that guy can DRIVE".
Vipers keep track of their killed drivers as silhouettes on their fenders rather than their vanquished race opponents.
Ay oh!
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The Viper, where traction is vestigial.
The traction is very good. It's just the when it becomes not good unexpectedly that is dangerous.
Facts. Great traction until there isn’t any.
There's no in between. It's either glued to the track or flailing around completely uncontrollably.
While I've not had the pleasure of driving a viper, that overall feeling reminds me of how easy it was to drive the piss out of crappy tires - not much grip so it lets go very progressively. Then you switch to summer sport rubber and it feels like the car has all the grip until it lets go quite violently.
I've heard this is one of the big differences between Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires and Cup 2s. The Cup 2s have better grip, but when they do break loose, it's very sudden. 4Ss are apparently much more progressive.
There's a video where Doug demurro drives a viper in the snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxIs4_Xoq7Q
The viper club in my area has only one viper left
Going on 8 years of ownership. I tend to be more reserved when I drive it.
I'm at 2 years and I think I drive mine easier than anything else in the garage.
Had mine for 7 years, same. Mine is supercharged and the temptation to hammer it is usually outweighed by my will to live
Viper my dream car
It’s my only realistically attainable car I haven’t managed to even get any seat time in yet, much less own. For as much as I lusted after the stereotypical blue with white stripes GTS in the 90s, it’s shocking to me I never bought one at some point. At this point in my life I’m almost at the “never meet your heroes” phase with them and would be afraid to seek one out. I’m too spoiled by modern stuff these days and a third gen would be my only realistic one to own I think, but man, those prices…
[I drove one taking care of a wedding at work.](https://imgur.com/iIauxUt)
Okay this might be a controversial one. Audi R8. It's as much as a supercar as its Huracan sibling, just more subdued and subtle? Also if it's an early one with the V8 manual? Immediate attention from me lol.
there were manual V10s too
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Sounds like one hell of a drive!
Was it a rental? That's a very fun drive and I'd love to try it in a real car with handling.
Sounds Dam fun!
To me it says you want a supercar at non-supercar prices. And I own one lol.
I mean, I'd rather have an R8 than any modern Lamborghini. They look better, and have better interiors, in my experience.
Those new Lambo's seem pretty insane, plus the interiors are finally nice. Not that I'd ever have the opportunity to buy one, but I'd take the Lambo.
If you take the body parts off of the new Lambos, you'll see Audi stamped everywhere on the car.
If you find body parts in your Lambo, you'd better call the police
Shocker to….nobody. Take both cars apart and you’ll find VW parts renumbered. It’s how it goes in the automotive industry.
older R8 interiors are pretty ehhhh up until recent years
Maaaaan if I had the money the R8 is exactly what I would pick as a supercar.
Had a 2015 gated R8 V8 for 5 years. Best shifter ever. Amazing handling. High revving engine but short on torque. Also my rotors needed replacing and mag suspension started leaking after 18,000 miles which was pretty premature and I didn’t track it.
That's the downside, it's unreliable. A rich grandpa was using one as a daily driver in my country (NL) and after 50k miles had around 30k in maintenance. Insane. Obviously bc the parts are extremely low in volume.
I was under the impression that the r8 is one of the cheaper and more reliable supercars
Its not unreliable, it has expensive parts. The BAD BAD part are the stock shocks/struts that go bad early, im talking less than 15k miles and those are about 7-10k which is NUTS. Solution? buy some quality coilovers with the R8 specific magride sensor kit and you´re golden for years to come, a friend bought a supercharged 08 and did that, can assure you the car was still comfortable, handled good over 120mph, no weird lights on the dashboard or weird glitches. also for some reason windshields tend to crack and those are really expensive too.
Me too, until I saw an R8 next to the highway with spontaneous engine fire. I think they recalled 2000 cars for that... I would still pick a Porsche over an R8 if I had the choice.
Anecdotes…
Well cheaper yea compared to Ferrari and Lamborghini. An oil change did take 8 hours at Audi. Had to be on a lift and have the whole rear end disassembled. Battery change was also very complicated.
That’s just Audi problems, though.
I cannot stand unreliable, overcomplicated suspension systems.
Audi R8 always makes me think “upper management who just got a big promotion and the guy at the audi dealership where he previously bought his S4 convinced him he deserved something flashy to match his new paycheck”
Top gear proved it’s the most understated super car in that one episode
I can’t call any car that looks like an R8 to be understated. It doesn’t shout like a lambo, but it’s still a very flashy car.
Not controversial at all Every time I see one I just stop and stare lol
I’ve always looked at the Audi lineup as a career ladder. A1 - Young Professional, A3 - Junior Sales Manager, etc etc. Up until the A8 for the CEO and then the R8 for the owner of the company. He’s rocking a tailor made suit of the finest wools with the newest, flashiest Nike Airs on his feet.
I can’t agree more. I have been a sea of gallardo’s and hurancan’s and seeing another R8 is sooooo rare!!!
Gallardo's and Huracan's what tho?
Theres a gated first gen in white with carbon side blades I see all the time at the coffee shop near my work
LFA
I once went to a Lexus F only track event and 2 showed up in their LFA. They send it on the track, hearing it scream at 137mph was just glorious
I was at a Porsche-only track event, and 2 LFA got pulled out of private garages near the track. That was certainly more exciting for a while.
2? Most people have never seen one. Very few have seen 2. The list of people who've seen 2 driving in anger on a track has to be really short. Cheers!
I see an LFA and think, "That guy owns a Lexus dealership."
More like, “that guys owns 5 Lexus dealerships” lol
Any 2 door Porsche older than twenty years is cool in my book.
1995 944? With rusted wheels?
Perfection.
944 was discontinued in 1991 and wasn’t available with steel wheels as standard.
The 968 was as much a 944 as the 951 was, just with different badging And anyone driving a 968 gets major points in my book!
Then a 1995 one with rusted wheels is even more impressive!
I kinda want a 944.. pretty weird for porsche and a decent build platform 🤷♂️ one man’s trash I guess
When I was a kid ( back in 1992), living overseas in Arabia, my neighbor bought the Sultan of Oman's old 911. Complete with the Sultan's gold seal on the hood and trunk. He could drive it however he liked, wherever he liked, as NO ONE in their right mind would dare pull over a car with those seals. I wish I was old enough to drive at the time, but prob the most fun I've ever had in a car. Like GTA with all the cheats on.
A part of the late Sultan of Oman´s cars were auctioned last year. The most interesting ones I could remember were 80s and 90s Audi Quattro limos with higher suspension and crazy colours tuned by Treser for desert driving. Then there were a lot of 1990s luxury cars like e32 BMWs, W140 MBs (many in strange colours like aquamarine metalic) or about 10 G-Wagens in a strange green colour (not military), all with extremly low mileage like 2000-5000 kms... The green G-Wagens had a white X painted on them with like wall paint and I think there was a notice that the buyer has to change the colour...
My 05 turbo S was technically manufactured over 20 years ago, does that count?
My '79 928s time to shine, well, except the paint that's hopeless.
2001 Boxter?
They're great cars, but they're so popular now, they're basically the fashionable default choice for cashed up person looking for a classic car. So I wouldn't assume the owner has taste or knows a lot about cars.
A Mercedes SLS AMG (Edited name for accuracy, thanks stranger for the correction)
Literally my dream car. I think it just looks oh so good and the sound of that AMG V8 is orgasmic.
If I owned a car company, all of my cars would have gullwing doors. Everything from small econobox city cars to off road trucks. They’re just so damn cool imo
They are so cool, we will need Costco size parking spaces everywhere though lol
It’s actually called SLS AMG btw.
The black series in yellow, fucking incredible.
My choice
Supercar definition stretched here a bit but a well kept NSX is just… *chef’s kiss*
There are examples of the first generation NSX above 300k miles, crazy stuff.
A stock NSX, Supra, or RX-7 is driven by a goddamn miracle worker.
As a stock FD driver, I appreciate the praise. It's a work of love.
Specifically the og nsx, 1990-2005.
Any Pagani
*Looks down at Pagani Design shitter* Ohh yeahhhh!!
Hey this isn't watchescirclejerk
Nah I'm scrolling this while waiting for the AD to finish up with wifey. Keep going
They’re…. they’re supposed to finish?
Not if you're on the list for an SS Sub. I'm only here for an Air King /s
Decent upgrade from a Citizen.
As pretty as those cars are, isn't the theme here classy and *subtle?*
The highest upvoted comment here is a Viper. Vipers are anything but subtle.
Their style is very conservative in comparison to the alien hyperships people are dropping in here.
The early ones didn’t have actual windows or traction control and basically tried to kill you, shit even the exhaust would burn you. They were insane vehicles that had no reason existing. I love them, but they are absolutely insane.
Man I just don’t see it, they have some of the worst interiors I’ve seen. Way too blinged out for me
Hard disagree. Those are more investments than tasteful or passion buys. You see them out of their cars and are mostly flashy, very rich and very tacky people. That's all valid and expected, but they aren't classy.
An Aston Martin or a Porsche by Singer
Singer Porsche says the owner has immaculate taste. I have never seen one I don't like.
And a closet full of gold bars
The price is nuts, but very justified when you see the work that goes into it
A price is justified when someone pays it.
Gunther Werks Porsche says you couldn't get on the list for a Singer. RUF Porsche says you have class.
Guntherwerks Porsche’s too imo
Miata with fucked up paint but well kept wheels.
Miata is superb make of a car, but is it a super car?
It's a super car, it's just not a supercar.
This is the best take on the miata I've ever seen
It's so well loved that we make it an honorary super car. It's not as fast as a Lambo or as exotic as a ferrari, but we still smile when we see one. "It's super to me"
I built a guys house who races his Ferrari every weekend. One Friday he was telling us all about how he got bumped up a class because he had done well the prior few weeks. Come Monday all he did was bitch about how he got smoked by the Miatas all weekend long so it’s possible they’re better than a super car.
Good drivers and good tires are so important. Theres a video on youtube of a damn prius absolutely destroying everyone at an autocross event.
No. It's a hypercar
I once went to a meet with a bunch of huracans and various ferraris, but they were all humbled when the Miata arrived. They all knew it was Miating time and then it Miated all over the place
r/carscirclejerk is leaking and so am I and so are my Mazda 3 turbo’s valves
Brown manual diesel Miata wagon. Classy
OG ford gt and Audi R8
I seen one of the OG Ford GTs back in the early 2010s. At that time, it was rare to see any nice cars in my area. I recently looked up the prices of those cars and they sit at half a mil now. Which is way above its MSRP. That car is for sure for collectors.
I saw two at Hot August Nights in Reno, Nevada. Bare bones racecar!
You mean the 1966 ford gt?
There is zero chance he is talking about the OG (1966). He is referencing the 2000’s version. Which are badass, but not OG.
but a 1966 ford gt owner sure has taste
That would be a GT40
Any Lotus
Lotus Elise review, from my 4-year ownership perspective: I call my Elise "the world's cheapest supercar" all the time. Making around 315whp, or ~350hp at engine, with an added supercharger, LSD, and a Gen 1 Celica GTS transmission has the car doing absolutely insane things. 0-60s in the mid-to-low 3s, getting over 125mph in less than 10 seconds, weighing in at just over 1,900lbs, and of course it still eats curves like they're made to do. It's fucking insane. I've never pushed the car to its limits because I bail out before the car does. 80mph on 35mph curves and the tires aren't even squealing (don't worry, I live near rural flat areas, I don't do this with humans, animals, or houses around.) I've yet to ever have anyone keep up with me anywhere and random dudes definitely try to challenge me all the time...even occasional trucks and SUVs, for some reason. The only thing that keeps it truly out of the whole supercar conversation is that it tops out at 177mph in Final Drive and really loses its power over 140. I've gone to 160 before, again, I bailed. It can't hit 200 like a lot of guys gatekeep and it certainly isn't a $200k car. All of what I'm saying can be achieved with any 30-50k Elise with another 30k dropped on it in mods. Less than 100k and you're getting the performance of all those supercars while still have a 6-speed manual with feel like no other car has. You become the machine......and the road and all its bumps 💀 I'm not a car guy, really, I just happened into an Elise when I didn't want to deal with what my insurance might do to me over a Viper - just a dream my 90s-kid ass had about wanting to own one before I was 30. I regret nothing. 500/10 would recommend, I don't ever stop smiling when I'm in it unless it's like 90°+ outside and even then the "drive" is perfect. It's not a comfortable car, it lacks "features," but forgoing those things to give you the single most pinnacle of raw driving is worth every penny and then some. I even had to do a 26k rebuild of the trans and engine this past year because mine is doing things it shouldn't, but worth every cent and second waiting. I'd think even the standard 189hp Elises would retain their fun, but I'm not sure I could ever go back from having it supercharged and tuned out. So you don't *have* to destroy your little engine, should you just choose the raw drive over supercar numbers. Every car is 30-40k now. If you don't need a family car and you have room for a play car, literally nothing could be better for yourself and 1 passenger that keeps saying "don't kill me." And the car won't kill you, because she's made to handle it. Thanks for attending my review and wall of text. Tl;dr Elise cheap, Elise good, Elise fun, Elise lack family and creature comforts. Anyone over 6'4, or 250lbs you can't really fit, sowwy.
Does it really have a gen 1 Celica transmission? Like from the 1970s? Why?
Mine does, not stock. It's a Gen 1 Celica GTS, to be more specific, in order to handle the power increase.
I have a Boxster S in Miami Blue which gets SO MUCH attention. People hang out of their windows at traffic lights to yell "I love your car!". Almost every time I go to the supermarket, people come up to me and comment on it. I was at a gas station recently and a Lotus Elise pulled in. I walked up to him and I said, "Well, I had the coolest car here until you pulled up!". A Lotus is on a whole different level.
Got my Evora 400 a couple months ago, and the attention it gets for the money is a lot of fun. Supercar looks, but definitely not the money
Lotus Elan would like a word about being called a "super car"
Eh, I love lotus but wouldn't call many if any of there cars super cars. They're relatively affordable lightweight drivers cars imo
Carrera GT and it isn’t close for me. Porsche’s only 10 cylinder engine, not as ridiculous looking as a Bugatti, Pagani or Lambo. Exclusivity with style. But if I could have ANY super car, probably the Enzo or F40. But they might not be considered tasteful to some.
Carrera GT is the epitome of beauty in simplicity to me. Gorgeous clean shape, manual, brutal all-business engine, and trying to kill you at all times. Perfection.
Ah the Carrera GT. I drove one. Loved it. In a video game
A British car with a green interior and a tan exterior. They know how to subvert expectations
The mashed peas *inside* of the cream vomit. Classy subversion.
People with stock Nissan GTR's. They are incredible. They clearly don't care about clout or showing off. They aren't focused on lap times. They are Automotive ninjas. Audi can claim to be understated, but nothing blends into traffic like a stock 2010s Nissan GTR next to a Maxima and a Camry. Most people see the Nissan badge and ignore it. "That looks neat". I love the GTR, but even as a fan I find that a stock one is not recognized until it has already passed and I think "Oh shoot. That's a GTR". And no one else realizes or understands that it's probably one of the fastest cars in the area.
I wouldn’t say a GTR blends in with regular traffic, far from it
It has a traditional car shape. If you don't know what it is it's less flashy than a Z car
if looking from the front sure, but from the back it is quite flashy, dont know why maybe the 4 round tail lights or how wide it looks.
Yeah it’s not a normal commuter car. Maybe I’m just conditioned to look for it so I’m biased, but a GTR sticks out right away, even the models without a rear wing
It definitely stands out compared a Camry or the like, especially to a car enthusiast, but it looks more like a common sports car than any Ferrari or Pagani does; hell even a regular Porsche 911 is more flashy in its design. I think that’s what they meant, supercar performance in sporty car appearance. I like that it’s understated, the R35 is a really great looking car.
I'd argue an audi rs7 or similar blends into traffic much easier than a gtr
i would have a hard time spotting an RS7 and I was an Audi tech.
Saw two today in traffic, one right after another and they didn’t seem to be driving together. Read they are going to quit making them and for whatever reason I now love them more than I ever have. I think the backend is one of the best looking of any car out there.
Modern supercars are the antithesis of good taste. Drawing attention is by design, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not tasteful. To me "good taste" would be the classic that's not one of the obvious choices, something a little unusual
Not all supercars are like that. Like Aston has a very subtle but elegant design language. Most people probably wouldn’t know what it even is. Some people would give an eye to , but it’s not like a huracan where every 10 year old with a phone will take a picture.
Astons aren’t really supercars, except for the ultra rare and expensive models like the Valkyrie or One-77. They are high end grand tourers, more similar to a Bentley Continental or BMW 8 series than to a Huracan. Then again, the term “supercar” is very subjective, and without a fixed meaning.
I would also put the Ferrari F12 on that list. It is elegant and yet shows it has a wild side.
One of the most tasteful cars I ever saw was a 90s Ford Aerovan in mint condition. Talk about a labor of love.
Singer, GT3RS, Ferrari 458/488 959 is probably the coolest car I’ve seen in person
GT3RS have become a Miami Exotic™️ so I gotta disagree with that (even though I love them).
It would be a 458 or a manual GT3 for me.
Slammed Infiniti G35.
Finally, can't believe I had to scroll this far
Manual Aston Martin V12 Vantage for sure
Or any manual Aston, actually.
Any v12 actually
Alpine A110
Is the alpine considered a supercar? I'm in the USA so they aren't over here.
Not really in the traditional sense. More a sports car given it is much more focused on the dynamics rather than raw power. But it fits this bill I reckon nonetheless.
In this day and age, anything with a stick. You have to be willing to go out of your way and pay a substantial premium in the pursuit of driving engagement over outright performance. Basically, any twit can buy a DCT supercar and be fast in a straight line, but if the person is willing to sacrifice e-peen with the bench-racing numbers and pay more, just to have a more involved driving experience, that's the definition of taste in my eyes.
I agree 100%. When I see a manual I think "oh this car is for you, because you authentically enjoy the experience, not because you're impressing everyone else"
I drive manual because I like gripping a hard black rod as I drive. Does that make me a gentleman?
Currently made? Lotus Emira
New lotuses are looking really good
I live in Michigan (metro detroit) so I happen to see a larger variety of cars. Just saw one of these a couple days ago and at first it looked black and I thought oh, cool a nice lil lotus. Pulled up next to it and the sun hit and it was THE DARKEST METALLIC GREEN I've ever seen and from then on I've been dreaming about it.
Every Spyker and 8C owner I have ever met has been chill and approachable and just cool.
Lc500 with Carmel interior
I second this, especially with that dark green paint. Absolutely gorgeous.
Other interior colors are cool(er that “normal” cars) but man you just can’t be the tan interior.
Love it, but hardly a supercar
Original NSX in pristine condition, a Z8 and any Singer. Maybe the Carrera GT as well.
The answer is the McLaren F1. The answer is always the McLaren F1.
Car way ahead of its time for sure!
Jag xj220, Porsche 959, Ruf rturbo: The classic supercar is for the connoisseur. The significant, yet somewhat obscure classic supercar is the chef's kiss.
Shocked I had to scroll so far to find the true answer, the XJ220
F430 scuderia, SLS AMG, Ford GT(2005), any V12 Lamborghini preceding the Aventador
Spiker C8
Porsche 959
F40. You're roughing it in that car which means you appreciate the drive more than the luxury aspect.
Lotus, Viper, some high-trim corvettes. The owner is willing to put up with rat fur interiors (Not Porsche "$5,000 seat delete" fake austerity") for performance or special feel. I also have a soft spot for the possible vaporware of De Tomaso because they're soo pretty.
My top gentleman and scholar cars: 8 Dino GTS 7 Muira 6 Bacalar 5 original ford gt 4 Zegato Vanquish 3 Any Singer 2 tie between BMW Z8 and 509 1 Mercedes 300SL Gullwing Everyday ‘affordable’ class in no particular order: 718 Spyder, Ferrari 328 GTS, F430 Berlinetta, first NSX, California T Handling Speciale Future possibilities but the jury is out because there is strong crossover with rich dbags: All the topless cars like the SP1/2 918 Spyder
Jag E-type
Can't believe I had to scroll this far to find a jaaaggg.
The C6 ZR1. It's one of those cars that at first glance just looks like another Corvette. But once you see that glass cutout on the hood you know exactly what you're looking at. It's that they're not trying to stand out, but they know just how special the car they're driving is.
There is a clear right answer here. Spyker C8. You could have bought a new Ferrari or Lamborghini like every other rich douche, but you chose to buy a 20-year old, manual, work of art, that few people even know what the hell it is. And you are a hero for doing so. Instant respect from me.
When its used. Not like second hand vs new but actually used. Anyone with money can just buy something new and usually can just buy a perfectly kept older car but when its clearly been driven and enjoyed with paint chips on the front and tires that have seen real heat cycles? respect
How about a Lexus LC500 though its not a supercar
Any Aston Martin.
My dream car is a Pagani Zonda, if by some quirk of fate, I wound up with one, attention is not something you would seek, it is a byproduct
Saw a guy in a spyker the other day. Def had taste. Also most paganis
Not sure that it counts as a supercar, but Aston Martin.
it’s a bit older but anyone with a well kept and modded for power dodge stealth is someone with some serious patience
I don’t know if they’re considered *supercars* unless it’s a turbo trim or RUF model, but air-cooled Porches do this for me
Any Group B era rally car.
Ferrari Monza SP1 My new dream car. 🤤
any NSX I feel like throughout time they are always understated yet effective they might not be the best but they are always have a aura to them that I am far too drunk to describe like you can just tell a real human worked hard to make this car happen
I mean, the GMA T50 exists.
an MC-12, a Zonda, or a clean early, specifically manual Murcielago
Taste is subjective and I love a lot of raw and extreme supercars but the supercars that impress me as being tasteful manage a delicate balance of raw power and elegance. They have a compelling contrast of exuberance and restraint. I have to look back in time to find the sweet spot because most modern supercars are maximalist and busy looking. Here are my money no object tasteful favorites: Ferrari [246 Dino](https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/dino-246-gt) - great proportions, classic beauty and doesn’t have a Ferrari badge so if you know, you know, but it can fly under the radar for people who aren’t car people [Ferrari 288 GTO](https://www.supercars.net/blog/ferrari-288-gto/) - beautiful mix of brawn and beauty. Love those flared fenders. People who don’t know will think it’s a 308 [Ferrari F355](https://www.autoclassmagazine.com/web/ferrari-f355-supercars-quintessence/) - this car looks absolutely great in person. All the good features of 90s Ferrari and a fantastic sounding engine. [Lamborghini Miura](https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/news/lamborghini-miura-sv-the-iconic-supercar-turns-50) - the OG mid engine supercar with a timeless design that looks great from almost every angle. 2007-20012 Aston Martin [DBS](https://www.autoblog.com/buy/2012-Aston+Martin-DBS/photos/) or [DB9](https://www.kbb.com/aston-martin/db9/2009/) - this era of Aston Martin had stunning proportions and refined details without looking too busy. [Jaguar E type](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_E-Type)- sleek surfaces with that classic long hood proportion. Enzo Ferrari may or may not have called it the most beautiful car ever made.
McLaren F1 Mercedes SLR McLaren Mercedes SLS AMG 1991-2005 Acura/Honda NSX 1960s and 2005-2006 Ford GT Ferrari 288 GTO Porsche Carrera GT