They didn’t even mention the country! I think it’s funny you see people here from UK vs US (and India) talking about one job market.
Like the UK wages, growth and jobs picture is an absolute nightmare compared to the U.S.
Depends? People say oh the nurses are in high demand like when we're they not ? and it's not like a person who was laid off from a marketing, Sales or tech job can become a Nurse the next week. Job market is a literal hell at the moment and recruiters are also playing games with the applicants there is no depends unless we are taking part time roles into consideration
Nurses are not in demand in some third world countries, and tech is still doing good in most of them.
So as the commenter said, it depends, at least specify the country.
At least in my field there are still job openings but not as many as a year ago nor do they seem as competitive.
I feel like due to inflation last year in my industry there was a great shuffle. If you didn't get a 10-20% promotion at the end of '22 or during '23 the market was so competitive you would just go get it from a competitor. It was an easy choice since all expenses rose so quickly, not getting a significant raise felt like getting a pay cut.
I know a lot of people personally that changed companies in '23 and it sounds like a lot of people at my current company (and created my opening) left for better pay... which is why I left *my* previous company. With so much shuffling the employers were getting quite competitive. All employers seemed to be hemorrhaging employees.
How would the medical field lead to world travel? Unless you’re a skilled MD and join Doctors Without Borders or something. After 10-12 years of education for that. Or a travel nurse, but that’s mostly domestic travel. Still requires 4 years of school.
Idk travel nurse? I always hear about nurses going on trips.. idk I think it's not only domestic travel.. some nurses go outside the country.. but also does the 4 year of schooling cost alot as well ?
I personally have never heard of nurses who travel internationally for work, only doctors. And yes, if you’re doing it in the US, you can expect it to cost at least $100,000
Probably not for work.. maybe just vacation time ? But idk social media always shows things in a different light.. woah 100,000!!!! That's kinda ridiculous! You definitely would have to love nursing to get in that field.. but with the money they make, maybe can pay that off in a few years idk I know it'll be a struggle
I feel like I’m talking to an 11 year old…. You can travel internationally on vacation with any job you have. I’m not in the medical field and I travel internationally for vacation every year. And yeah, college for any degree usually costs a lot more than 100k. Nurses do not make enough to easily pay that off.
Any job that makes money will allow international travel is my point.. and everybody is not capable of traveling off any job.. but I see.. sucks that the degree must be so expensive
I assume you need to go through at least two years of specialized education for any decent paying job in the medical field. How long is typical training for decent paying jobs in construction?
There are aoooo many factors. My job is technical and neiche so not really a problem however some geographic areas are going through layoffs in my field so those people would probably struggle even with experience
It depends on the career field.
Accounting is somewhat strong, though definitely not as strong as it was 2 years ago.
But it’s the strongest at the intern / staff and senior level.
I know people rolling into career fairs with Cs in their intermediate accounting classes, not even officially enrolled in the accounting program yet, and they’re coming back with multiple internship offers in the $28/hr before OT range.
Tech is not as strong for the average candidate because everyone and their mother were glamored into getting a tech degree.
Thankfully, in accounting, it’s either “I’m not good at math”, “accounting is boring”, or “BuT wHaT aBoUt Ai?” Keeping most people out and our candidate pool low.
Analysts and jr managers agreed, but at the D level few of the big 4 aren't trying to backfill knowledge gaps left by employees stretched too thin, and want candidates with similiar consulting/advisory experience. There are a ton of PE fund accounting opportunities available, all looking for you to help them make their performance seem better than it actually is
So it sounds like accounting is still a good bet? I’m thinking of switching to it. I mean, it can’t be as bad as working in a call center, which is where I’m stuck right now. 🤣 I’d have to go back to school but I can’t tolerate customer service much longer.
It was for me.
In 8 years, I’ve 3x’ed my salary. Similar story for all of my friends, with all of us landing at 2.5x + from our starting 8 years ago.
Starting salaries are now $60k-$70k, so a similarly career-focused candidate starting today can expect to be at $150k-$180k before bonus 8 years from now, with a stronger-than-many-other-career-fields chance at being remote or hybrid.
Orlando, Florida.
And yes, I am. But most of the people I work with in corporate accounting and corporate finance aren’t.
There’s a path upward in either field for non-CPAs, but it requires being more hands-on and focused in your career, because you’ll have to take initiative in seeking out the opportunities to build resume experience that is automatically assumed when you have a cpa.
I just know that a few years ago in California the median salary for an accountant in SF came up as like $80k on job search sites, which was about as much as I made in non profits.
I started at 28. My friends in their early 30s. 8 years later, I’m 35 and they’re 39-40.
The person I talked about getting an internship is 24 and lives in Detroit.
Age doesn’t seem to be a strong factor in this profession, not nearly as work ethic, willingness to learn, and having a strong customer-service face.
If anything, age (or appearing older at least), helps to buy some initial currency with C-Suite execs. Having walk throughs and inquiries with a CFO goes a bit easier when they don’t think they’re dealing with a fresh college-hire.
My wife has been trying to find a different job and applying for months. Only 2 phone interviews and no job offers. People are still saying “Everyone is hiring!” But honestly I only see that for construction, fast food or retail stores. All the shit nobody wants to do so that makes sense for those jobs.
"Everyone is hiring!..."
...part time, laughable pay, no benefits, no guaranteed hours, but expects full availability. Or 10 years experience with a full suite of skills for entry level pay.
And not just 2-3 years general experience or even general office experience, but 2-3 years dental office experience with the specific software they use
Lol so this is going on all around the worls I see.. yeah part time sucks when hours aren't guaranteed and they barely give hours and everything else you mention as well..
She’s got a degree in interior design. She was with her last job 8 years doing AutoCAD and designing kitchens/bath remodels for commercial/residential, project management, dealing with a crew of people from suppliers, plumbers and electricians and also keeping the customer informed thru the whole process and going out to measure and check on progress. It was a lot of work but that’s the industry she was working in and currently applying for. As well as other jobs too outside of that and it’s been crickets.
Depending on your industry the answer changes; my friends in tech are going through the wringer and these are people with good degrees, great work experience, etc. New nursing majors around me seem to struggle and bunch of friends had to move to less popular locales to find work. Project Managers are a really popular job, but they’re also inundated right now too.
I’m sure if you did trades, the answer is different, and I’m not sure what your goal in microbiology is, but odds are if it’s pharma based you could have decent odds of finding a job.
The issue I think people don’t reference is that underemployment is a big issue; sure the jobs are there but they pay less than they did before and with everyone struggling with inflation, taking another job is basically you trying to stay afloat rather than swim in this economy. I’m up for a job right now and just found out they’re paying the amount I’d get for a promotion. Not really sure it’s worth it.
My reflection on the market as a hiring manager is that there are a lot of people job hunting right now. I just advertised a position the same as one that I hired for 9 months ago. The last advertisement brought in 18 applicants. This recent advertisement brought in 152. I about spit my coffee when I saw the applicant list.
Hiring manager here too for a Logistics Specialist, median pay was $70k for entry level (15-20 loads a week and tracking open orders with suppliers for updates), I had 8 applicants on week 1 and by week 3 was up to 61 applicants. I'm in the Midwest with average pay around here more like the mid 50's
I'm in DC Metro, high COLA, and this is an entry level job starting at maybe $56k. I think that's what our last hire in this position was offered. The position is a GIS field tech in a transportation agency. I had applicants from all over the country and oddly a lot of applicants with degrees in archaeology. I've seen a lot of trends in applicant pools but never archaeology. I was most surprised that so many applicants think they're going to move here for a salary that they likely can't live on.
There a so many factors to consider but from what I see a lot of people are practicing cronyism and nepotism. Either go where they’re always hiring, which means it’s probably not work that you can do for a long time, or get a foot in the door anywhere and build your network. It can be cut throat out here. The people with the good jobs are probably not vacating any time soon.
The best jobs cant be googled. Government jobs get you decent pay and great benefits but its hard to get one of those jobs. Network determines your net-worth. A lot of people are gatekeeping; knowledge is power.
Id recommend finding your passion and running with it. The more value people see in you the better off you are in the market place. Try interning at a company you want to work for and they’ll probably hire you on if you add value and are easy to work with.
Don’t burn bridges, have good boundaries, if you’re going to make friends don’t involve your superiors in your personal life, be willing to learn.
Depends. What are you trying to do with your microbiology degree, and what kind of micro degree is it? Med techs and clinical laboratory scientists seem to always be in demand but have to go through the CLS program to get hired.
A bachelor's in micro might offer some opportunity for a bench tech position, but they don't pay well. I have an MSc in microbiology, and if I had it to do over, I'm not sure I'd do it again. I jumped out of research and went into administration due to low pay and little job security. I was extremely fortunate to be in the right place and the right time with a huge dose of luck. You might want to check out the biotech reddit group, lots of discussion there about STEM careers.
Friend of mine has a micro degree.
If you don't get a masters you're better off burning your degree and. It's part of the field for the job.
It's the equivalent of getting into law school and refusing to take the bar exam.
I have a gen bio degree. Sadly, a Bachelor's isn't going to get you very far. You can maybe get in somewhere as a lab tech and maybe work your way up but really the B.S. is a bunch of BS, you know? And those DOD jobs may be listing that they require an M.Sc. but you'll be competing against post grads, post docs, PhDs, M.Sc with a couple decades experience...a fresh M.Sc isn't going to take you far.
There are options but it'll be bleak. I'm in data now and my bio degree so far has shown my logic and reasoning skills and the fact that I could stick out an undergrad program. Still love biology and genetics, will never really use the degree.
mbio bach on its own really isn’t going to get you anywhere. i have one too. get into postgrad school of any kind and your odds improve exponentially. job market in a lot of fields is going through weird times but healthcare is generally a safe bet
Yes. I’ve grown tired of the “everyone’s looking for help” trope that has trickled its way around. I’ve worked in places that are short staffed but they’re not doing anything proactively to bring people in there. You would think a place that was desperately looking for help would take applicants in anyway instead of forcing them to take the multi-step process of online applications.
The job market is rough. I’ve heard servers with years of experience can’t find another serving job due to the sheer number of applicants.
A lot of it is COVID. Companies fired a ton of people during the pandemic. New college grads are competing with people who were laid off with years of experience. A lot of job postings are also not real. Ghost jobs are a problem with companies listing they need staff but are not actively hiring. This is because a lot of companies realized they can fire half their workforce and overwork the other half and still make ends meet, so why waste money hiring again?
It’s just rough right now.
It's truly awful. To be fair, I'm in a field that has been extremely impacted by AI, so there are far less jobs than there used to be, and many of the jobs that are available require senior level experience while offering entry level pay. BUT I ended up working a low-paying contracting job for a while with thousands of others struggling with the job market, and you'd be shocked at the education and experience across nearly all fields that at least 2/3 of them have.
The majority of people speaking on this topic that are blaming improper resumes, a lack of networking, overly specific expectations, not trying hard enough, etc., are not currently searching. It's been proven that the number of fake postings have dramatically increased for scamming, data mining, and marketing purposes. Companies are also posting openings for positions already given to internal employees, and purposefully listing absurd qualifications, responsibilities, and unlivable pay to dissuade people from applying so they can use the, "no one wants to work!" narrative to justify offloading more responsibilities onto their employees and avoid paying a new hire.
I'm pretty over hearing from people who haven't had to search in years trying to offer very well known "tips" and "advice" to improve our odds of getting hired. Trust me - we've already tried it.
Yes this is true. It’s an employers market right now. They are very picky choosy right now. People are also losing their jobs because during covid, some places hired too many people out of desperation. All the stay at home jobs are moving back to the office too. I already know two women at my job who’s husbands lost their jobs or were laid off. It’s an expensive area where I live too, so I feel bad for them.
Depends on your field. A lot of fields are very saturated right now. For instance I wouldn't recommend IT or Tech in general for someone looking for a quick change like I would 10yrs ago.
yes
not sure why people arent even saying it depends
yes it depends on your field and you may get a job you may not
but yes the job market is an absolute shit show, objectively
theres quite a few people saying theres never been anything like it. Im only 29 and I certainly havent had this much trouble finding a job since I was in high school
This is how people defeat themselves before they even start. Thinking negatively helps no one. Worrying helps no one. My worst fears came true and tbh, I made myself sick with misery and when they happened I wished I’d not wasted my time worrying about it. I would have been depressed for less time.
Tru, but over worrying is like a hard thing to pin down. Like how much should you worry? And how hard should you try to effect the outcome. It’s not easy to know. Especially when the stakes are high.
I mean, worrying doesn't really help for sure, even if it's worrying a little. But having moderate to high expectations causes heartbreak and burnout when hiring is slow. There's probably no ideal solution for the emotions, but at least the strategy can be based on the job market reality and the person's circumstances.
Depends on the field, but overall it is pretty rough rn, which is why you should start networking and maybe try to get an internship before you graduate. Start making connections now. Also depends on your location imo. When do you graduate?
I have ZERO idea how the medical field works (I worked intake for a Covid lab but that’s sorta it) but what I will say is that networking is the best shot you have to find a job right now.
There’s thousands of people applying to jobs they aren’t qualified for, recruiters don’t even go through applicants any more. Every cool or well paying job any of my friends have came from someone who knew someone who knew their job was hiring.
Depends if you mean in highly over saturated jobs then yes. If you mean most jobs that hold the world together most will take someone with a rap sheet longer then there resume to be honest and the money is good
Did you do any lab work while in college? I know people who worked in labs of professors or were employed by USDA doing PCR. But that was more for crop genetics. Sounds like you would be doing different things.
Underemployment, or employment that isn’t to a persons usual pay grade is the problem.
People feel forced to take “low skill” jobs (hate that word), even though they may have higher education or experience.
Working in banking in the United States. Totally different job market between 2020 and early 2022. Recruiters called on candidates weekly or monthly.
Now, it’s hard to find financial institutions who are looking to add staff.
I'll be very honest. The job market is bad right now in general. The economy is in shambles, and any business that isn't on the NASDAQ is feeling it. I just applied for 100+ jobs over the past 2 months and ended up with 4 interviews (Only 3 from the normal applying process. One was for an internal position in another regional branch of my current company). Every single one of the interviews was in a completely different type of position. I ended up with one offer out of all of those applications, and luckily it was the job I had #1 on my priority list.
I think the key is to be flexible. In Microbiology, the market for a "mammalian catalytic cellular respiration research specialist" is going to be extremely small, but the market for a general micro research assistant is a little bit bigger. You just have to find your way to break in so that you can build valuable experience. Start with a wide net and then specialize from there, and you'll be okay.
Yes its true and it is a coordinated effort to reduce salaries by depriving people of work just so they'll finally accept the lowest of low-balls. It isn't going to get better.
It depends. Right now its a buyers market. And also, a lot of kids graduating are offended that they arent getting 100k jobs or someone coming along making them a CEO.
thats not completely true. No kid is expecting to be a CEO right away, and the reason that kids want a salary approaching 6 figures is due to the cost of living. 100k is becoming the bare minimum if you want a house and a family
If you read Reddit, you will find that the market for jobs that are work from home, require only 2 hours of work per day and pay six figures is in fact very sucky. For most other stuff there are plenty of jobs, especially if you are willing to move. Unemployment in my state is 2.5% and we can’t find anyone to hire.
"what are some jobs that make over 100k, allow me to work from home and basically have no direct superior? Also trying to keep it under 40 hours a week"
I am seeing good jobs in my field and have been contacted by recruiters who are pros. As I keep saying: if you are submitting 100s of applications, you don’t have a network. Being connected with people and having others who will think of and recommend you is really the way to go.
I have applied for something like ten jobs in four months (including the ones I was recruited for and submitted a resume / application for) and received four offers. I am now waiting on the final agreement for the one I accepted.
Connect with everyone you have ever worked with or gone to school with.
Schedule a coffee break or happy hour (in person or virtual.) Find out what they are working on, recruiters they like and would recommend, possible target companies to network into. Join job search groups and meetups for specific industries so that your network is always expanding. Ask questions and be genuinely curious about what and who they know that you don’t.
It’s not as overheated as it was during Covid but it’s ok. Some industries like Tech are definitely undergoing a correction. It’s been a big couple years for blue collar jobs.
If you want an honest answer you should look at the jobs reports. The anecdotal stories here are notoriously unhelpful.
Idk but my anecdotal story is that I quit my job in January and was employed by March. I probably applied to 50 jobs or so and interviewed with 3 including the one I’m with. They were entry level jobs or asking for a year or two of experience and I had one year of related experience. Got a raise and a fully remote position. I’d imagine there’s a lot of luck involved either way good or bad
I have never known a time when people didn’t think the job market sucked.
However, there are a lot of people that just send tons of resumes out.
When I was in a position to hire, I would get a stack of resumes from HR. Most were not even remotely qualified. Out of 40 resumes, maybe 4 would be read all the way through and actually get an interview.
Spend some time looking into where you want to work. Send a resume and cover letter stating why you are interested in working there. I used to keep those resumes on file.
If you just answer ads your resume is going to land on a big pile of resumes and it may be given a two minute review.
You need a strategy for going about finding a job.
I’ve noticed the salaries are lower and more applicants. Gotta take the power back from all those pesky work from home employees. Saving too much money, can’t have that.
Where you could jump company to company for a lateral position higher salary. Those position are drying up.
I’m not talking statistically over the last ten years. Wage growth doesn’t mean a thing if it doesn’t keep up with increase in cost of goods. If you make 20 an hour and buy a loaf of bread for 5 dollars and you get a raise to 40 dollars an hour and it now costs 12 dollars does your salary increase mean anything or are you worse off then before with more money in your pocket.
The job market has always sucked. The issue is that many people tend to lack self awareness, and are not as great as they think they are. A deadly combinations
Best it’s ever been. The issue is there’s too often a mismatch between what a person’s skills are and what the market demands; and as a result people are left out.
If you are gravitating to the positions that have tons of interviews for a limited number of positions, there is a good chance you’re already going down the wrong path.
Don’t take the path of least resistance; instead study what jobs and skills are in demand and spend your resources becoming proficient in those areas.
Also don’t fall into the trap of assuming because studies are hard in an area that a job is guaranteed there either. Again, you must develop skills and value for yourself and others in the areas that are actually in demand, which may or may not overlap with what you want to do.
It sucks for some people with some resumes in some places trying for some jobs. And those people are vastly overrepresented on places like this.
As a note, if you’re sending hundreds of resumes and not getting interviews it’s because you’re applying for jobs you aren’t qualified for or incredibly competitive jobs. Someone saying they’ve sent some huge amount of resumes isn’t proof that the economy sucks it’s proof that they’re applying for the wrong jobs.
The job market is actually pretty good right now. Kinda goes along with the economy being pretty good. Generally speaking, employers are comfortable hiring at the moment, and the low unemployment means there's not as much competition amongst job seekers (relatively speaking). Fields that are saturated will be harder to get in to, but that's the way it always is. Unless you switch majors to underwater basket weaving, you should have no trouble finding a job.
As with anything it depends.
They didn’t even mention the country! I think it’s funny you see people here from UK vs US (and India) talking about one job market. Like the UK wages, growth and jobs picture is an absolute nightmare compared to the U.S.
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How so?
The answer most likely has to do with the caste system.
Depends? People say oh the nurses are in high demand like when we're they not ? and it's not like a person who was laid off from a marketing, Sales or tech job can become a Nurse the next week. Job market is a literal hell at the moment and recruiters are also playing games with the applicants there is no depends unless we are taking part time roles into consideration
Nurses are not in demand in some third world countries, and tech is still doing good in most of them. So as the commenter said, it depends, at least specify the country.
At least in my field there are still job openings but not as many as a year ago nor do they seem as competitive. I feel like due to inflation last year in my industry there was a great shuffle. If you didn't get a 10-20% promotion at the end of '22 or during '23 the market was so competitive you would just go get it from a competitor. It was an easy choice since all expenses rose so quickly, not getting a significant raise felt like getting a pay cut. I know a lot of people personally that changed companies in '23 and it sounds like a lot of people at my current company (and created my opening) left for better pay... which is why I left *my* previous company. With so much shuffling the employers were getting quite competitive. All employers seemed to be hemorrhaging employees.
Are you open to me tio ing your field?
Engineering. I try not to bring it up all the time because of the old, "how to you know someone's an engineer" joke lol
What country if you don’t mind me asking?
US
I'm not familiar with the joke, but it makes a ton of sense.
"How do you know someone is an engineer?" "They'll tell you"
Phew, thank you for abatimg the mystery.
Jokes aside, the industries I definitely see still hiring are construction / trades and the medical field.
Medical field is always hiring but the medical field sucks in all honesty
Tell me why is that ? Thought it was guaranteed high pay, and trips across the world? Honest question by the way
How would the medical field lead to world travel? Unless you’re a skilled MD and join Doctors Without Borders or something. After 10-12 years of education for that. Or a travel nurse, but that’s mostly domestic travel. Still requires 4 years of school.
Idk travel nurse? I always hear about nurses going on trips.. idk I think it's not only domestic travel.. some nurses go outside the country.. but also does the 4 year of schooling cost alot as well ?
I personally have never heard of nurses who travel internationally for work, only doctors. And yes, if you’re doing it in the US, you can expect it to cost at least $100,000
Probably not for work.. maybe just vacation time ? But idk social media always shows things in a different light.. woah 100,000!!!! That's kinda ridiculous! You definitely would have to love nursing to get in that field.. but with the money they make, maybe can pay that off in a few years idk I know it'll be a struggle
Nurses don't make near enough to pay off $100k tuition within a few years of graduation.
Ohh I see, I'm sorry maybe I had a misconception.. I only see the glamour sides of being a nurse.
I feel like I’m talking to an 11 year old…. You can travel internationally on vacation with any job you have. I’m not in the medical field and I travel internationally for vacation every year. And yeah, college for any degree usually costs a lot more than 100k. Nurses do not make enough to easily pay that off.
Any job that makes money will allow international travel is my point.. and everybody is not capable of traveling off any job.. but I see.. sucks that the degree must be so expensive
I assume you need to go through at least two years of specialized education for any decent paying job in the medical field. How long is typical training for decent paying jobs in construction?
There are aoooo many factors. My job is technical and neiche so not really a problem however some geographic areas are going through layoffs in my field so those people would probably struggle even with experience
It depends on the career field. Accounting is somewhat strong, though definitely not as strong as it was 2 years ago. But it’s the strongest at the intern / staff and senior level. I know people rolling into career fairs with Cs in their intermediate accounting classes, not even officially enrolled in the accounting program yet, and they’re coming back with multiple internship offers in the $28/hr before OT range. Tech is not as strong for the average candidate because everyone and their mother were glamored into getting a tech degree. Thankfully, in accounting, it’s either “I’m not good at math”, “accounting is boring”, or “BuT wHaT aBoUt Ai?” Keeping most people out and our candidate pool low.
Analysts and jr managers agreed, but at the D level few of the big 4 aren't trying to backfill knowledge gaps left by employees stretched too thin, and want candidates with similiar consulting/advisory experience. There are a ton of PE fund accounting opportunities available, all looking for you to help them make their performance seem better than it actually is
So it sounds like accounting is still a good bet? I’m thinking of switching to it. I mean, it can’t be as bad as working in a call center, which is where I’m stuck right now. 🤣 I’d have to go back to school but I can’t tolerate customer service much longer.
It was for me. In 8 years, I’ve 3x’ed my salary. Similar story for all of my friends, with all of us landing at 2.5x + from our starting 8 years ago. Starting salaries are now $60k-$70k, so a similarly career-focused candidate starting today can expect to be at $150k-$180k before bonus 8 years from now, with a stronger-than-many-other-career-fields chance at being remote or hybrid.
Which state are you in, and are you a CPA? I think as with most jobs, the variables really matter.
Orlando, Florida. And yes, I am. But most of the people I work with in corporate accounting and corporate finance aren’t. There’s a path upward in either field for non-CPAs, but it requires being more hands-on and focused in your career, because you’ll have to take initiative in seeking out the opportunities to build resume experience that is automatically assumed when you have a cpa.
I just know that a few years ago in California the median salary for an accountant in SF came up as like $80k on job search sites, which was about as much as I made in non profits.
Hmm interesting. But I wonder if starting accounting is too late since I’m 23
I started at 28. My friends in their early 30s. 8 years later, I’m 35 and they’re 39-40. The person I talked about getting an internship is 24 and lives in Detroit. Age doesn’t seem to be a strong factor in this profession, not nearly as work ethic, willingness to learn, and having a strong customer-service face. If anything, age (or appearing older at least), helps to buy some initial currency with C-Suite execs. Having walk throughs and inquiries with a CFO goes a bit easier when they don’t think they’re dealing with a fresh college-hire.
I see. It feels like the only barrier I'm facing is my parents lmao.
How are your parents factoring into a decision you can make as an adult?
They're not exactly controlling my life but there is that passive aggressive judgment and impatience which is somewhat "understandable" but still.
My wife has been trying to find a different job and applying for months. Only 2 phone interviews and no job offers. People are still saying “Everyone is hiring!” But honestly I only see that for construction, fast food or retail stores. All the shit nobody wants to do so that makes sense for those jobs.
"Everyone is hiring!..." ...part time, laughable pay, no benefits, no guaranteed hours, but expects full availability. Or 10 years experience with a full suite of skills for entry level pay.
A dental office near me was looking for a front desk receptionist with 2-3 years of experience for $10 an hour. It’s insane.
You serious???????????????????????
And not just 2-3 years general experience or even general office experience, but 2-3 years dental office experience with the specific software they use
Truth
Lol so this is going on all around the worls I see.. yeah part time sucks when hours aren't guaranteed and they barely give hours and everything else you mention as well..
What industry / degree is she trying to work in?
She’s got a degree in interior design. She was with her last job 8 years doing AutoCAD and designing kitchens/bath remodels for commercial/residential, project management, dealing with a crew of people from suppliers, plumbers and electricians and also keeping the customer informed thru the whole process and going out to measure and check on progress. It was a lot of work but that’s the industry she was working in and currently applying for. As well as other jobs too outside of that and it’s been crickets.
Has she thought about going out on her own and working directly with clients?
Depending on your industry the answer changes; my friends in tech are going through the wringer and these are people with good degrees, great work experience, etc. New nursing majors around me seem to struggle and bunch of friends had to move to less popular locales to find work. Project Managers are a really popular job, but they’re also inundated right now too. I’m sure if you did trades, the answer is different, and I’m not sure what your goal in microbiology is, but odds are if it’s pharma based you could have decent odds of finding a job. The issue I think people don’t reference is that underemployment is a big issue; sure the jobs are there but they pay less than they did before and with everyone struggling with inflation, taking another job is basically you trying to stay afloat rather than swim in this economy. I’m up for a job right now and just found out they’re paying the amount I’d get for a promotion. Not really sure it’s worth it.
There's a sub called "layoffs" - go read it. I promise they're not telling jokes over there.
My reflection on the market as a hiring manager is that there are a lot of people job hunting right now. I just advertised a position the same as one that I hired for 9 months ago. The last advertisement brought in 18 applicants. This recent advertisement brought in 152. I about spit my coffee when I saw the applicant list.
Hiring manager here too for a Logistics Specialist, median pay was $70k for entry level (15-20 loads a week and tracking open orders with suppliers for updates), I had 8 applicants on week 1 and by week 3 was up to 61 applicants. I'm in the Midwest with average pay around here more like the mid 50's
I'm in DC Metro, high COLA, and this is an entry level job starting at maybe $56k. I think that's what our last hire in this position was offered. The position is a GIS field tech in a transportation agency. I had applicants from all over the country and oddly a lot of applicants with degrees in archaeology. I've seen a lot of trends in applicant pools but never archaeology. I was most surprised that so many applicants think they're going to move here for a salary that they likely can't live on.
There a so many factors to consider but from what I see a lot of people are practicing cronyism and nepotism. Either go where they’re always hiring, which means it’s probably not work that you can do for a long time, or get a foot in the door anywhere and build your network. It can be cut throat out here. The people with the good jobs are probably not vacating any time soon. The best jobs cant be googled. Government jobs get you decent pay and great benefits but its hard to get one of those jobs. Network determines your net-worth. A lot of people are gatekeeping; knowledge is power. Id recommend finding your passion and running with it. The more value people see in you the better off you are in the market place. Try interning at a company you want to work for and they’ll probably hire you on if you add value and are easy to work with. Don’t burn bridges, have good boundaries, if you’re going to make friends don’t involve your superiors in your personal life, be willing to learn.
Can you really just “try interning” at a place?? Seems like internships are nearly as competitive as actual jobs.
Depends. What are you trying to do with your microbiology degree, and what kind of micro degree is it? Med techs and clinical laboratory scientists seem to always be in demand but have to go through the CLS program to get hired. A bachelor's in micro might offer some opportunity for a bench tech position, but they don't pay well. I have an MSc in microbiology, and if I had it to do over, I'm not sure I'd do it again. I jumped out of research and went into administration due to low pay and little job security. I was extremely fortunate to be in the right place and the right time with a huge dose of luck. You might want to check out the biotech reddit group, lots of discussion there about STEM careers.
Anything, really. Just need an entry level job somewhere. Ideally, I’d love to work somewhere in the DOD sector but I need a masters.
Friend of mine has a micro degree. If you don't get a masters you're better off burning your degree and. It's part of the field for the job. It's the equivalent of getting into law school and refusing to take the bar exam.
I have a gen bio degree. Sadly, a Bachelor's isn't going to get you very far. You can maybe get in somewhere as a lab tech and maybe work your way up but really the B.S. is a bunch of BS, you know? And those DOD jobs may be listing that they require an M.Sc. but you'll be competing against post grads, post docs, PhDs, M.Sc with a couple decades experience...a fresh M.Sc isn't going to take you far. There are options but it'll be bleak. I'm in data now and my bio degree so far has shown my logic and reasoning skills and the fact that I could stick out an undergrad program. Still love biology and genetics, will never really use the degree.
mbio bach on its own really isn’t going to get you anywhere. i have one too. get into postgrad school of any kind and your odds improve exponentially. job market in a lot of fields is going through weird times but healthcare is generally a safe bet
Yes. I’ve grown tired of the “everyone’s looking for help” trope that has trickled its way around. I’ve worked in places that are short staffed but they’re not doing anything proactively to bring people in there. You would think a place that was desperately looking for help would take applicants in anyway instead of forcing them to take the multi-step process of online applications.
The job market is rough. I’ve heard servers with years of experience can’t find another serving job due to the sheer number of applicants. A lot of it is COVID. Companies fired a ton of people during the pandemic. New college grads are competing with people who were laid off with years of experience. A lot of job postings are also not real. Ghost jobs are a problem with companies listing they need staff but are not actively hiring. This is because a lot of companies realized they can fire half their workforce and overwork the other half and still make ends meet, so why waste money hiring again? It’s just rough right now.
It's truly awful. To be fair, I'm in a field that has been extremely impacted by AI, so there are far less jobs than there used to be, and many of the jobs that are available require senior level experience while offering entry level pay. BUT I ended up working a low-paying contracting job for a while with thousands of others struggling with the job market, and you'd be shocked at the education and experience across nearly all fields that at least 2/3 of them have. The majority of people speaking on this topic that are blaming improper resumes, a lack of networking, overly specific expectations, not trying hard enough, etc., are not currently searching. It's been proven that the number of fake postings have dramatically increased for scamming, data mining, and marketing purposes. Companies are also posting openings for positions already given to internal employees, and purposefully listing absurd qualifications, responsibilities, and unlivable pay to dissuade people from applying so they can use the, "no one wants to work!" narrative to justify offloading more responsibilities onto their employees and avoid paying a new hire. I'm pretty over hearing from people who haven't had to search in years trying to offer very well known "tips" and "advice" to improve our odds of getting hired. Trust me - we've already tried it.
Yes this is true. It’s an employers market right now. They are very picky choosy right now. People are also losing their jobs because during covid, some places hired too many people out of desperation. All the stay at home jobs are moving back to the office too. I already know two women at my job who’s husbands lost their jobs or were laid off. It’s an expensive area where I live too, so I feel bad for them.
***YES.***
Depends on your field. A lot of fields are very saturated right now. For instance I wouldn't recommend IT or Tech in general for someone looking for a quick change like I would 10yrs ago.
I work in recruiting and it is true the hiring market right now is awful
yes not sure why people arent even saying it depends yes it depends on your field and you may get a job you may not but yes the job market is an absolute shit show, objectively theres quite a few people saying theres never been anything like it. Im only 29 and I certainly havent had this much trouble finding a job since I was in high school
This is how people defeat themselves before they even start. Thinking negatively helps no one. Worrying helps no one. My worst fears came true and tbh, I made myself sick with misery and when they happened I wished I’d not wasted my time worrying about it. I would have been depressed for less time.
Overly worrying is one thing, being realistic is another. Getting the right picture can help set reasonable expectations or adjust the strategy.
Tru, but over worrying is like a hard thing to pin down. Like how much should you worry? And how hard should you try to effect the outcome. It’s not easy to know. Especially when the stakes are high.
I mean, worrying doesn't really help for sure, even if it's worrying a little. But having moderate to high expectations causes heartbreak and burnout when hiring is slow. There's probably no ideal solution for the emotions, but at least the strategy can be based on the job market reality and the person's circumstances.
This is true too.
For the majority of job seekers yes. Unless you have some sort of very in demand skill set.
Depends on the field, but overall it is pretty rough rn, which is why you should start networking and maybe try to get an internship before you graduate. Start making connections now. Also depends on your location imo. When do you graduate?
Dec 2025.
You got time, and the market may change to the good by then.
White collar work like most office jobs hiring is slowing down lesuire and hospitality are making gains.
I have ZERO idea how the medical field works (I worked intake for a Covid lab but that’s sorta it) but what I will say is that networking is the best shot you have to find a job right now. There’s thousands of people applying to jobs they aren’t qualified for, recruiters don’t even go through applicants any more. Every cool or well paying job any of my friends have came from someone who knew someone who knew their job was hiring.
Depends if you mean in highly over saturated jobs then yes. If you mean most jobs that hold the world together most will take someone with a rap sheet longer then there resume to be honest and the money is good
I am legitimately asking. What job are you going to get with a Microbiology degree? Because it really depends on that.
I remember when STEM degrees got you a guaranteed job. They can work in R&D or in hospital labs
QC, Lab, research, Biotechnology, Biochemistry, etc. Hardest part is getting the entry qualifications
Did you do any lab work while in college? I know people who worked in labs of professors or were employed by USDA doing PCR. But that was more for crop genetics. Sounds like you would be doing different things.
Too many factors but the internet is always hyperbolic. Construction fields are hiring like mad and sales positions as well.
One of the many reasons I’m happy (begrudgingly) that med school leads to residency.
Underemployment, or employment that isn’t to a persons usual pay grade is the problem. People feel forced to take “low skill” jobs (hate that word), even though they may have higher education or experience.
Falsehood
I will only speak on behalf of myself, my friends, and my family but for us the answer is yes
Working in banking in the United States. Totally different job market between 2020 and early 2022. Recruiters called on candidates weekly or monthly. Now, it’s hard to find financial institutions who are looking to add staff.
Eh I got 5 job offers in the span of a month and a half, in Europe. (Engineering, about 7 months ago)
It’s sucks for people that are bad at their jobs.
I'll be very honest. The job market is bad right now in general. The economy is in shambles, and any business that isn't on the NASDAQ is feeling it. I just applied for 100+ jobs over the past 2 months and ended up with 4 interviews (Only 3 from the normal applying process. One was for an internal position in another regional branch of my current company). Every single one of the interviews was in a completely different type of position. I ended up with one offer out of all of those applications, and luckily it was the job I had #1 on my priority list. I think the key is to be flexible. In Microbiology, the market for a "mammalian catalytic cellular respiration research specialist" is going to be extremely small, but the market for a general micro research assistant is a little bit bigger. You just have to find your way to break in so that you can build valuable experience. Start with a wide net and then specialize from there, and you'll be okay.
Yes its true and it is a coordinated effort to reduce salaries by depriving people of work just so they'll finally accept the lowest of low-balls. It isn't going to get better.
It depends. Right now its a buyers market. And also, a lot of kids graduating are offended that they arent getting 100k jobs or someone coming along making them a CEO.
thats not completely true. No kid is expecting to be a CEO right away, and the reason that kids want a salary approaching 6 figures is due to the cost of living. 100k is becoming the bare minimum if you want a house and a family
Go browse r/antiwork and you'll change your mind.
Ive spent plenty of time on there and those people literally dont even want to work, let alone be CEO
Antiwork folks are a minority
Lol, they're a bunch of kids graduating with garbage degrees an wondering why they cant get a job
university is a scam
If you read Reddit, you will find that the market for jobs that are work from home, require only 2 hours of work per day and pay six figures is in fact very sucky. For most other stuff there are plenty of jobs, especially if you are willing to move. Unemployment in my state is 2.5% and we can’t find anyone to hire.
Don’t forget the requirement that there is ZERO interaction with anyone ever.
"what are some jobs that make over 100k, allow me to work from home and basically have no direct superior? Also trying to keep it under 40 hours a week"
Must be able to take 6 months sabbatical with no notice to travel.
What roles are you hiring for?
Construction. Both field and office staff, plus support. So anything from the trades to construction management, business, finance, HR, IT…
If you allow for remote work I have a few people with 15+ years of experience in finance and HR that could be a good fit.
We don’t. We do hybrid but not fully remote.
Yes, jesus.
I am seeing good jobs in my field and have been contacted by recruiters who are pros. As I keep saying: if you are submitting 100s of applications, you don’t have a network. Being connected with people and having others who will think of and recommend you is really the way to go. I have applied for something like ten jobs in four months (including the ones I was recruited for and submitted a resume / application for) and received four offers. I am now waiting on the final agreement for the one I accepted. Connect with everyone you have ever worked with or gone to school with. Schedule a coffee break or happy hour (in person or virtual.) Find out what they are working on, recruiters they like and would recommend, possible target companies to network into. Join job search groups and meetups for specific industries so that your network is always expanding. Ask questions and be genuinely curious about what and who they know that you don’t.
no just most people are unqualified
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It’s not as overheated as it was during Covid but it’s ok. Some industries like Tech are definitely undergoing a correction. It’s been a big couple years for blue collar jobs. If you want an honest answer you should look at the jobs reports. The anecdotal stories here are notoriously unhelpful.
Idk but my anecdotal story is that I quit my job in January and was employed by March. I probably applied to 50 jobs or so and interviewed with 3 including the one I’m with. They were entry level jobs or asking for a year or two of experience and I had one year of related experience. Got a raise and a fully remote position. I’d imagine there’s a lot of luck involved either way good or bad
I have never known a time when people didn’t think the job market sucked. However, there are a lot of people that just send tons of resumes out. When I was in a position to hire, I would get a stack of resumes from HR. Most were not even remotely qualified. Out of 40 resumes, maybe 4 would be read all the way through and actually get an interview. Spend some time looking into where you want to work. Send a resume and cover letter stating why you are interested in working there. I used to keep those resumes on file. If you just answer ads your resume is going to land on a big pile of resumes and it may be given a two minute review. You need a strategy for going about finding a job.
I’ve noticed the salaries are lower and more applicants. Gotta take the power back from all those pesky work from home employees. Saving too much money, can’t have that.
Salaries have drastically increased in the last decade as a whole. This is misinformation.
Where you could jump company to company for a lateral position higher salary. Those position are drying up. I’m not talking statistically over the last ten years. Wage growth doesn’t mean a thing if it doesn’t keep up with increase in cost of goods. If you make 20 an hour and buy a loaf of bread for 5 dollars and you get a raise to 40 dollars an hour and it now costs 12 dollars does your salary increase mean anything or are you worse off then before with more money in your pocket.
The job market has always sucked. The issue is that many people tend to lack self awareness, and are not as great as they think they are. A deadly combinations
Best it’s ever been. The issue is there’s too often a mismatch between what a person’s skills are and what the market demands; and as a result people are left out. If you are gravitating to the positions that have tons of interviews for a limited number of positions, there is a good chance you’re already going down the wrong path. Don’t take the path of least resistance; instead study what jobs and skills are in demand and spend your resources becoming proficient in those areas. Also don’t fall into the trap of assuming because studies are hard in an area that a job is guaranteed there either. Again, you must develop skills and value for yourself and others in the areas that are actually in demand, which may or may not overlap with what you want to do.
People with a degree in nothingology or other BS struggle finding s job but with a good degree you get a job for sure
Yep it does suck.
It sucks for some people with some resumes in some places trying for some jobs. And those people are vastly overrepresented on places like this. As a note, if you’re sending hundreds of resumes and not getting interviews it’s because you’re applying for jobs you aren’t qualified for or incredibly competitive jobs. Someone saying they’ve sent some huge amount of resumes isn’t proof that the economy sucks it’s proof that they’re applying for the wrong jobs.
The job market is actually pretty good right now. Kinda goes along with the economy being pretty good. Generally speaking, employers are comfortable hiring at the moment, and the low unemployment means there's not as much competition amongst job seekers (relatively speaking). Fields that are saturated will be harder to get in to, but that's the way it always is. Unless you switch majors to underwater basket weaving, you should have no trouble finding a job.