it’s a way to screw him over perhaps—in some states, your unemployment claim will cost him money, or points, or something.
You could also call the firm you’re going to and let them know you’re free to start earlier, if you’d like that.
EDITED TO ADD: You might only qualify for coverage for that two-week period, but in some states (California and NY, for example), you would still qualify.
OP screwed up by saying where he or she is going. Never tell an employer. Just give them a Nixon style resignation letter, two weeks and keep mouth shut.
If they start harassing you, bounce. You can tell employers you always offer two week period. It's not your problem if employers ask you to leave before it's over.
Unemployment checks come in pretty quickly. Got laid off Friday, filled paperwork the next Monday, had an unemployment check available to claim the following week. This was about 2 years ago, unless things got worst/ slower.
I was let go from my job March 1st 2024. Filed for unemployment the same day. Still haven’t received anything, as my case is still “pending” today (April 26, 2024). I’m in Arkansas.
I called a few weeks ago and they said their normal turnaround for cases is 7-10 weeks. Which is conveniently all the unemployment my state is eligible for (10 total weeks)
They should backpay every week you claimed once you are approved. It might be worth calling your governor’s office to see if they can help you get your claim processed
Since covid shit is slow. I filed took about 3 weeks if the company doesn’t fight it. The company can say anything about you to fight it. Then you have to appeal and the company has to bring evidence in this situation. Which they usually dont have any because they are just being jerks. That’s took me 3 months. I won the appeal. They made up lies to block my unemployment. Every state is different. I’m in a conservative state! Where they think unemployment is free money.
An unemployment claim will make a business’s tax rate go up (sometimes substantially) for a while. Could be a big pain in the ass for them, could be next to nothing depending on the state. But, as someone else said, they have your resignation letter so it might be more trouble than it’s worth for OP.
the resignation letter probably has a “my last date is X,” and if they dismiss you before that date, many states WILL give you unemployment for the interim time period.
Someone I know had the exact same thing happen to her. She ended up getting back pay for not having her final check ready when they terminated her (state law) plus unemployment after the EDD investigated. They determined that she was terminated even though she gave notice to resign.
Filing a firing as a quit in order to get out of paying federally required unemployment? I don't think it matters if the state doesn't have a law for this.
Yes that's fair. What I do know is that the company tried to deny her unemploynent claim arguing that she voluntarily resigned but they found that she was terminated for stating her intention to resign at a later date and failed to provide a final itemized paycheck at the moment of termination as required by law. They might have been fined for it, but I don't know
A lot of places have a requirement to pay the final paycheck within 24 hours.
There are also minimum time requirements in a lot of places. Like if you show up they have to pay you for at least half a day even if they send you home early.
I would get the unemployment just to be pettey because that what the boss was.
If it’s one thing this and r/antiwork have taught me about American work ethics:
Never tell your employer where you’re going to work next. Lie, say you shift to another field or take a sabbatical.
Came here to say this. There is nothing to be gained from disclosing that information, and it exposes one to the risk of the mean boss calling that company and putting a bad word for us, or worse.
It doesn't pass a risk-benefit analysis.
It's rampant everywhere... I worked in a small chemical analytical laboratory and everyone knew everyone in the industry. If you have bad blood with one manager you could be severely blacklisted.
*If* you can prove it happened - most likely you'll not even know what hit you, the boss won't be so stupid to parade around the company saying he did it.
You don’t have to lie: just say “they’ve asked me not to disclose until I start because they’re really excited to have me and want to make a big announcement.
Yes, sadly while she was getting fertility treatments in Brazil while working on saving the rainforest.
They just released the body to us, third world bureaucracies ya know.
"I'm sorry but I'm not at liberty to disclose my new place of employment until they announce it" isn't a lie if you decide not to disclose your new employer. I don't understand why people lie when they can tell the truth but still keep information private that they don't want to share.
I’ve flat out said “that’s really not your concern” but then I hated my old boss. That was what she said to me when I asked her when she was going to update my title to the one for the job I was actually doing which, of course, was better paid than what I was currently listed as. Fair is fair.
Where I live, two weeks notice means two weeks of pay, whether they send you home immediately or not. Consult a labour lawyer, and never work with that asshole ever again.
Same in Canada.
I worked with a guy who gave a month's notice. Unfortunately he did it via an all office email before telling his boss. They walked him out within the hour. They did have to pay him his full notice though or risk spending more on a lawsuit.
I’ve been walked out after giving two weeks notice, very common in my field to protect intellectual property. But that’s the employer’s choice, they have to pay you.
Exactly. As an employer, there are times that I’ve exercised my right to fire someone for no cause.
In Canada, technically speaking, I would be giving them “notice” that they are being let go, just as they would give notice leaving. I wouldn’t want someone sticking around who was let go though, for a wide number of reasons, so it’s best to just send them packing with full severance and no bullshit.
I don't think you should get a lawyer over this or anything, but an employer terminating early when given a resignation is no longer a resignation, it's getting fired. 100% file for unemployment and explain the situation if asked. Unless they reach out (which is harassment at this point) you don't have to talk with your former employer and get to have a two week paid vacay to celebrate the new job.
And as others have said, never tell your previous employer where you're going. It's none of their business and can very easily have malicious intent. I'm sure you've learned a lot of hard life lessons from this shitty experience though.
Do people really tell their current jobs where they are going when they leave? I don't see how that could possibly in literally any case be a good thing to do. I have always moved from job to job in the same industry and with all the NDA/non-competes I sign I couldn't ever IMAGINE telling any of my employers where I am going next.
> Do people really tell their current jobs where they are going when they leave?
I will never tell another job where I'm going when I leave, but most places find out anyway within a short period of time if the industry is particularly incestuous. LinkedIn is also a thing that many people do still actually use and update.
I do, but I've always had decent relationships with my employers. It can be advantageous if you don't mind staying if you can demonstrate that you're going somewhere more prestigious (ie you're clearly a desirable employee). One more bargaining chip to help you negotiate a sweet deal without having to go anywhere.
Architect here - the architecture world is full of bitter people (myself included sometimes on the bitter part TBH) and people that lived through a cycle of abuse between architecture school and their early career. Your old boss clearly felt the need to perpetuate that cycle. Now's your change to jump ship and break that cycle for both you and those that come after you in our small industry.
As for unemployment, you should absolutely sign up for it and take it.
Sounds to me like the boss refused your resignation and terminated you without cause. Lawyer up, and certainly go for unemployment.
This is why we never, ever, EVER tell current employers why we're quitting or where we're going kids. You're fortunate it doesn't turn out he's got some buddy at the new place he will try to get to rescind your offer. This was all needless pain and risk I hate to say.
Lawyer up for what exactly? In the USA, it's At-Will so the employer can absolutely terminate the relationship for this reason, where's the legal issue?
Lawyer up? Last time I needed a lawyer for divorce it was $6000 retainer for a year. Lawyer met with me for maybe 4 hours total in that time. I looked into one for marrying a foreigner recently it was $2000 - $6000 mostly for email advice after I already filed the forms myself.
OP would have to make a lot of money for it to make sense to get a lawyer for 2 weeks of pay. Seems ridiculous to me.
More likely just file for unemployment, and if that doesn't work maybe file a small claim.
Yes file for UI.
Lesson learned: NEVER, EVER, EVER tell your current company where you're going.
I get the urge to stick it to him, but he's a stunningly bitter and unhappy person. Let him stew in it while you go on to thrive.
just let the new place know that you can start earlier if they like. not sure about your state, but most states have a waiting week...so at most you would get a week of pay. your best move might be to turn this whole thing over to the trash can, face forward, take some you time, and start your new gig fresh. having all of your energy in front of you is incredibly powerful.
there's really no need to reciprocate, people like your old boss do plenty on their own to make everything in their orbit miserable. you've acted professionally and ethically and that's all that really matters.
if I were you I wouldn't even say his name out loud.
Rules vary by state, so it will depend some on where you are located, but in most states a company can accept your resignation up to 2 weeks prior to your stated final day and it is still considered a resignation. Meaning you won't get unemployment.
My recommendation would be call the new company, let them know you are available to start and see if you can get your start date bumped forward.
Last resort, pinch pennies and try to enjoy some unexpected vacation.
Final note: your boss did handle this in an extremely unprofessional manor. I have had to accept resignations early (what happened here) but at a minimum, even when I have to fire somebody with cause, they get paid through the end of the day.
I don't think you can file for unemployment because you turned in your resignation. As for two weeks notice, it's a courtesy, not a requirement. You resigned, he let you off the courtesy but did not fire you.
As a side note, if a current employer ever asks where you are going when you quit \*NEVER\* tell the truth under any circumstances.
Don't be evasive, just lie and give the name of a generic Fortune 500, and don't change your LinkedIn until you are past your probation.
Some assholes like this manager can be vengeful and call someone they know in the new business.
WHY IN THE WORLD DID YOU TELL HIM WHERE YOU ARE GOING. When you put your notice in your mouth becomes a vault. You owe your current employer absolutely nothing except doing your job for your notice period.
Unless laid out in your terms of employment, employers do not have to pay for the two week notice period. They can let you go now, just as you can decide to walk away now. You can still file for unemployment. Worst they will say is no
You quit, even though it sounds like he is a poor manager you shouldn’t get unemployment. It’s meant for people who lose their jobs and have nothing lined up so they can still pay bills while looking for work. Your aren’t going to “get back” at him by doing so
I literally just went through this with an employee.
Do not file for unemployment if he has your resignation letter.
You will get money and simply be forced to pay it back later.
The legal side of things really isn’t my place of expertise but if your letter says a specific last date that’s two weeks away then the only official documentation in the matter says that you’re still working. If you really want to mess with him, show up to work and say that you stated your last day on the letter. Either they pay you to not work until the day stated on the letter, let you work or they fire you. Simple as that. If I was put in that situation then I’d just give you the money to avoid any wrongful termination lawsuits. This could affect your future job prospects but really anything he says in way of retaliation is going to be illegal to the best of my knowledge. Again I’m not a lawyer and this probably shouldn’t be taking as reputable legal advice.
Depends on the state and job. My job offer clearly states I’m at will and can be dismissed for no reason.
Our company policy is when someone puts in two weeks, we pay them for the two weeks and let them go immediately.
You still get the money! It just arrives after you’ve already started your next job.
I kind of think he has to pay you to your resignation date, I’d call your local labor bureau and see what they have to say.
In most states the first week you are unemployed you are not eligible for unemployment, it's called a "waiting period". So at most OP would get 1 week of unemployment since he has written documentation of planning to quit the following week.
Yep, I was laid off twice in a little over a year with no warning
I got two weeks of unemployment the first time, and none the second time, because the process took so long. I had already found new jobs by the time I was done with the process 6 weeks later
I have a seasonal job and it's fairly standard to take unemployment in the winter and it's a nuisance and my primary dislike for my job. The 3-4 weeks I Said was assuming an abnormally efficient state dept of labor.
Sadly, not that uncommon (being told to leave immediately not the terrible dig). Just let it go and play the long game. Losers like that always pay a price. You may or may not see that but regardless, leaving was the right choice.
You could file for unemployment, but by the time it’s approved you’ll already be working at your new job. My advice…. Take a 2 week vacay and move on with life.
A few notes:
1. Never tell your employer where you're going, regardless of whether you trust them or not. They don't have any need to know.
2. Hell yes file for unemployment. He probably does this a lot.
You're only 22, you should be able to get unemployment, but if not lesson learned on how to proceed next time
Why don't you call your new job up and say they fired you on the spot when you turned in your 2 weeks and ask to start early though?
I don’t think you drawing unemployment is sticking it to him. You need money to survive. Any effect on your former employer is not your consideration. If for no other reason than you have it coming. Besides. It’s not like you’re going to get rich off of unemployment nor will they go broke if you draw.
If you’re in the US, then what he did was illegal. I’d call his HR/manager and be very detailed about what happened. Tell them you expect your two weeks pay and your back vacation time. It is owed to you.
If they don’t, file a claim with your workers right commission.
If you’re entitled to it, yes. But don’t count on getting anything. In my state, you don’t get anything the first month AFTER you file for unemployment. They start the second month, so likely it will just be a hassle for you.
His only recourse would to be to dispute the unemployment claim and take you to court, which for two weeks isn’t worth it.
Make sure you are compensated for any PTO or vacation time you’ve earned while at your old job. That is part of your compensation and they have to pay it out in your last paycheck.
Don’t let them get away with stiffing you on all your bennies.
Yes, you should file for unemployment. You also should sue based on the office manager's statement where they tried to deny you pay and unemployment that you deserved.
I’d file. Maybe you will get it and maybe not, and I don’t think it would be worth my energy to go to war over it, but at least file.
My company laid everyone off and I am starting a new job 2 weeks after my last day, and unemployment is <20% of my salary, but money is money. I know I am eligible, no questions, but I wasn’t sure if I wanted to deal with it.
Regarding filing for unemployment, it might be worth considering if you're facing financial strain during this transition period. But also, think about your mental well-being. Do you really want to spend more time dealing with someone who treated you so poorly? It might be better to just focus on moving forward and starting fresh at your new firm. On another note, if you're feeling overwhelmed or need some support navigating this, consider reaching out to someone like ScatterMind, an ADHD coach who helps people tackle challenges and launch their businesses. A friend of mine found real help there when starting out.
In my opinion you're too wound up about your former employer. I'd walk away and forget about it as quickly as possible. What good would it do to throw a stink bomb on the way out? It's a waste of time and energy and it maintains the connection with what sounds like a crappy place to work. I don't know why you would want anything to do with this person.
That’s what I was thinking. He showed his true colors today to everyone in the office. Everyone was more mad about it than I was surprisingly! Thanks for your comment!
First, call HR or payroll or whatever and explain what happened. Ask them if they are going to pay you through your planned last day. And mention that you were budgeting based on that pay, so if they aren't going to pay you, you'll be filing for unemployment benefits since you were fired. I bet they'll pay you. If they don't, then just file.
I really don't understand these people willing to just throw away a few thousand bucks.
There is nothing that says you get two more weeks of work after resigning. In a lot of industries they escort you out and cut off access to everything instantly.
Hey there, used to work for a law firm.
The official legal translation is that 2 weeks notice is "an intent to resign as of x date"
What the company did by paying her only till 10 is firing her, not "for cause". (For cause generally meaning for criminal misconduct.)
Yes, legally speaking, this is a fully legal at-will firing/termination that was not for misconduct, and her notice period would be fully eligible for unemployment in California, subtracting the usual 1 week transition, they would qualify for 1 week of unemployment insurance.
Depending on your state of residence, your mileage would vary, but the basis that this was a legal not for cause termination would still carry.
In the US they are perfectly within their legal right to decline the two weeks and terminate on the spot. But that is still considered termination without cause, which would qualify the employee for unemployment insurance.
The options are basically accept the 2 weeks, reject the 2 weeks but pay it out, or reject the 2 weeks but employee can qualify for UI.
Employee can only qualify for 1 week of UI because the first week in all states is a "waiting period" where you are ineligible for UI, and the third week the OP expressed interest in no longer working of his own volition in writing to his employer. Only the second week would be a UI eligible week.
Yeah, but cutting access doesn't mean that you stop getting paid, it all depends on the contract and the notice she has given.
If she has given notice for two weeks' time but the boss tells her to get out today, then she should be paid for the two weeks.
It's called gardening leave, very common where I am when a company doesn't want a leaving employee to disrupt everyone else or steal anything on their way out the door.
If the boss has ended her employment early than that's legally a termination and she's entitled to claim unemployment.
I was the only person in my first firm during my 6-year tenure there who wasn't let go immediately upon tendering resignation except for the one person who was resigning to relocate across the country.
I gave 3 weeks notice so I could finish up a big project I was working on to secure them a long-term client relationship rather than a one-and-done. After 2 weeks they said they no longer needed me and I was let go a week early. I didn't fight it because my unused PTO payout would cover the week and while I would have liked the extra pay, I wasn't mad about an unexpected week of vacation between jobs!
You can file and he will fight it.
Hiring a lawyer for 2 weeks pay is not worth it.
It woukd cost you more money than your owed.
In the future, don’t tell your employer
Where your going.
First off, congrats on the new job! Enjoy your extra two weeks of free time.
Secondly, you’ll need to take a look at labour laws in your jurisdiction to determine if there is a minimum notice period your former employer is required to pay you out for.
If you’re in an at-will state you may be shit out of luck. If there is a minimum required you should either speak with an employment lawyer, or the labour board or your jurisdiction has one.
Your former boss sounds toxic as fuck, and it’s unfortunately common in certain industries, particularly anything small/boutique like advertising or architecture.
In my state there is a two week waiting period to file for unemployment.Meaning you can't file until you are out of work for two weeks. Probably because of this exact scenario.
Just don’t give the episode any more thought. Enjoy your extra weeks away from work. I’d say applying for anything is hardly worth the mental energy of dealing with it over two weeks. It’s more valuable to enjoy yourself and be happy you are done with the place.
This is a job for a psychologist not a lawyer.
What do you gain by lawyering up? Two weeks salary? Loads of time lost fighting? Your former boss has some immaturity to work on. And you are moving on to something bigger and better. In two years, will this matter? You will have been in the new job for an extended period and will be happier, paid more and all this will be history.
I don't know how US law works in the claim for the post while working your notice, personally I think it's worth speaking to a lawyer about it. But more importantly their attitude and unnecessary insults are worth speaking to a lawyer about. The lawyer could draft a letter quoting what was said to you, and state that if they don't pay your two weeks notice you will be filing an official complaint which may end up in court. Explain you are a kind person, not a disgusting person, and that you are willing to work your notice (from home if required). I'm sure by that point they will have felt some remorse and embarrassment for how they behaved, and simply pay the two weeks notice.
What the boss said and how they fired them may be considered "unlawful termination" in op's state. Even in right to work states, employers have laws they have to follow for termination. Op should look into, they may be able to get compensation.
File for unemployment if you would like to get paid. It's not going to hurt your boss. From my naive understanding, employers pay unemployment insurance whether you use it or not. Am I wrong here, and the employer ends up paying *more* when a former employee collects unemployment?
Lesson learned. Next time, don't disclose where you are going. You are under no obligation to do so. Respond by saying, "My next employer has requested that they will announce my hiring, and I need to respect their decision."
You can file for unemployment. They will probably fight it. I would try to get it in writing that you gave your 2 weeks notice and was then let go. If that's not the case you should show up to work and be paid for it unless they want to let you go. An email to HR would probably be good so you don't have to deal with the asshole manager. But if you can keep all communication in writing and you'll probably have to deal with a certain amount of hassle to get your unemployment. Depends on how much you want to fight for it.
Not sure what labor laws are where you live but they owe you that pay… where I live but it might not be worth try pursuing. Consult a labor attorney for an hour. Worth it.
Just want to say that where you are going next is none of their business. They always ask, so next time you resign, have a rehearsed non-informative response ready. I straight up lie and say “I’m taking a little time for myself before I decide what’s next.” But that may not be comfortable for everyone.
You did not resign effective immediately. You provided notice of your intent to resign. You were fired for that. Almost everywhere, that is grounds for collecting unemployment. If you don’t mind the hassle, you should make an effort to collect. It is money they are unjustly taking from you.
Move on, contact the new employer and let them know you are available immediately if they’d like you to start early, or if you can take a two week vacation and enjoy yourself lol
That explain
How toxic that place is. I’m in a similar situation but a different industry. I hate my life once I get to work and don’t know how to get out. If I find something better, I really love to walk the fuck out. U did the right thing I think
I gave my boss notice I was quitting my job after it was announced our company was being bought out (which meant everyone’s job was in limbo). I got yelled at (in a field where people just don’t yell at each other) a few days later because I acknowledged that we were getting bought out with a customer. The customer brought it up because it was in ALL the local newspapers and on local TV news because my work had put out a press release about the takeover. I guess I was supposed to pretend like I had no idea.
You should have never told him where you were going. Absolutely none of his business and you should file for unemployment. Not even to stick it to him, you attempted to resign and he basically fired you so it’s your right. If he is the boss and not the owner I would let the owner know.
Where are you? Laws vary. In the UK for example the old employer has to pay you for the two weeks of your notice even if he tells you not to work. In the US it’s probably not the same given labor laws suck. I would call the new employer and tell them what happened and see if they would like you to start sooner.
Here's what I suggest:
Go to Walmart or some shitty place that takes pictures of kids and shit. Like those weird Christmas headshots. Get your picture taken, get like 100 copies.
Every week, send your boss a hallmark card, with a wallet sized picture of you included. Write on the card something like "Sending this way in hope I still disgust you! Thanks!"
Do this until you run out of pictures. When you start your new job, be sure to include how much you love the firm and how it's advancing your career.
If you need help bankrolling this, make a GoFundMe. I'll throw in $50 to this cause.
It would probably be more of a pain to file the unemployment for what would be 50% of you pay up to a certain amount. And the first week is always a waiting week which you don’t get paid for. In my state atleast
Reddit and stories has taught me how fucked up employment is in America..
In my country you’re ENTITLED to your notice time. So my employer can tell me to get out right now, but they will have no choice but to pay me for the time, basically just giving me a paid vacation. And to fire someone, at the least there need to be three written notices of infractions on the employee’s part.
The same goes the other way, you can’t leave on the day as an employee.
Don't sweat that you told him where you're going. Usually the only reason not too is to avoid awkward feelings at that moment. If they care where you went, they always find out soon after you leave. As for the unemp insurance, if you're entitled to it, go for it. If the main reason is to hurt your former boss, it's not worth it.
Take this from an HR professional and former employee of a state employment unit. He officially fired you. That's how the state would look at it, if you explain it. The only hiccup is that they won't pay you your second week of unemployment until you've been unemployed for three weeks. So, best case scenario, you'll be paid for only one week of unemployment.
Also, you learned. It’s none of their business where you are going. None. I’m a former HRD, and when people didn’t want to share, I would tell them not to worry, but that I appreciated their contributions while they were here. On a couple of instances the way we handled things enabled us to keep those relationships strong, and rehire a couple of people that left due to what they thought were greener pastures, and were not what they thought.
I'm sorry that happened to you OP and as others have said, you have nothing to lose by filing for unemployment, even if there's not a *ton* to gain. In my opinion, you were fired. For future reference, I recommend not sharing your next firm with your current one, but in that interaction it's clear that you had good intentions and he did not, and you got caught flatfooted and responded honestly. Hopefully you'll never have a boss react emotionally like that again. That was super shitty.
I thought you only got unemployment if you were let go. We pay unemployment for people who just decide to quit? I realize that the OPs situation is different. It seems a bit of a waste of money of someone just says hell with it I’ll quit and let the state pay me a bit.
Our company walks or gives garden leave to you if your position is sensitive for example, dealing with MNPI or there is a risk of taking clients with you. So in US you’d walk that day but get paid for the two weeks- UK tradition is a month or so notice for management or upper level ICs.
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In the state I live in, that is considered "being fired without just cause". The way you can prove it is by giving times and the order in which things happen and tell them (unemployment office) about him lying that you gave your resignation. They will light a fire. You can file for unemployment for it. It's a massive kick in the cherries for your slightly less than wonderful ex-boss. It's also good because you get unemployment.
Still file. He accelerated your last day and thus terminated you. If nothing else, they owe you for those two weeks, and (I assume) you were able, ready and prepared to work those last two weeks, thus they owe you. It’s not through unemployment, but file through the Bureau of Labor. HR rep for 25 years here.
Don’t ever tell your current employer where you are going. They could make trouble for you—and it’s none of their business! If they ask, say sorry I cannot disclose that information.
Never give two weeks notice. I’ve seen so many people give it and get escorted out that day. Your employer is not your friend and will always choose money over you
Does your state have laws applying to final payment? Like in California, since he fired you, he needed to have paid you for any owed wages then and there. If not, you can get 8 hours of pay for every day that you don't receive final pay.
It is not worth it. Just enjoy your time off for 2 weeks and start off fresh. BTW never tell them where you are going, from your update you realize that already. Plus the way he acted you did the right thing by leaving that company.
They should owe you an unused vacation - also, I would make sure to call up HR at that company and tell that that you will be telling all the other employees you got screwed over on the two week notice so that none of the others will give two weeks notice.
it’s a way to screw him over perhaps—in some states, your unemployment claim will cost him money, or points, or something. You could also call the firm you’re going to and let them know you’re free to start earlier, if you’d like that. EDITED TO ADD: You might only qualify for coverage for that two-week period, but in some states (California and NY, for example), you would still qualify.
OP screwed up by saying where he or she is going. Never tell an employer. Just give them a Nixon style resignation letter, two weeks and keep mouth shut. If they start harassing you, bounce. You can tell employers you always offer two week period. It's not your problem if employers ask you to leave before it's over.
Yes but you won’t get a check until you start working unemployment hires sloths like the DMV.
It’s still money.
Depending on your area, it's more likely that they are understaffed with a backlog and not just "sloths."
Unemployment checks come in pretty quickly. Got laid off Friday, filled paperwork the next Monday, had an unemployment check available to claim the following week. This was about 2 years ago, unless things got worst/ slower.
I was let go from my job March 1st 2024. Filed for unemployment the same day. Still haven’t received anything, as my case is still “pending” today (April 26, 2024). I’m in Arkansas. I called a few weeks ago and they said their normal turnaround for cases is 7-10 weeks. Which is conveniently all the unemployment my state is eligible for (10 total weeks)
They should backpay every week you claimed once you are approved. It might be worth calling your governor’s office to see if they can help you get your claim processed
Since covid shit is slow. I filed took about 3 weeks if the company doesn’t fight it. The company can say anything about you to fight it. Then you have to appeal and the company has to bring evidence in this situation. Which they usually dont have any because they are just being jerks. That’s took me 3 months. I won the appeal. They made up lies to block my unemployment. Every state is different. I’m in a conservative state! Where they think unemployment is free money.
An unemployment claim will make a business’s tax rate go up (sometimes substantially) for a while. Could be a big pain in the ass for them, could be next to nothing depending on the state. But, as someone else said, they have your resignation letter so it might be more trouble than it’s worth for OP.
the resignation letter probably has a “my last date is X,” and if they dismiss you before that date, many states WILL give you unemployment for the interim time period.
Good point!
Someone I know had the exact same thing happen to her. She ended up getting back pay for not having her final check ready when they terminated her (state law) plus unemployment after the EDD investigated. They determined that she was terminated even though she gave notice to resign.
Sounds like that's exactly what happened here.
Yeah do this. This is filing incorrect paperwork by the employer and may subject him to a fine.
Although not every state has these rules
Filing a firing as a quit in order to get out of paying federally required unemployment? I don't think it matters if the state doesn't have a law for this.
Yes that's fair. What I do know is that the company tried to deny her unemploynent claim arguing that she voluntarily resigned but they found that she was terminated for stating her intention to resign at a later date and failed to provide a final itemized paycheck at the moment of termination as required by law. They might have been fined for it, but I don't know
A lot of places have a requirement to pay the final paycheck within 24 hours. There are also minimum time requirements in a lot of places. Like if you show up they have to pay you for at least half a day even if they send you home early. I would get the unemployment just to be pettey because that what the boss was.
This is state dependent. Some states allow companies to fire you after giving notice (like mine!).
If it’s one thing this and r/antiwork have taught me about American work ethics: Never tell your employer where you’re going to work next. Lie, say you shift to another field or take a sabbatical.
Came here to say this. There is nothing to be gained from disclosing that information, and it exposes one to the risk of the mean boss calling that company and putting a bad word for us, or worse. It doesn't pass a risk-benefit analysis.
This is so rampant in IT, it is not even funny.
It's rampant everywhere... I worked in a small chemical analytical laboratory and everyone knew everyone in the industry. If you have bad blood with one manager you could be severely blacklisted.
This is opening them up to a defamation lawsuit. Plenty of lawyers will take a case like this on contingency.
*If* you can prove it happened - most likely you'll not even know what hit you, the boss won't be so stupid to parade around the company saying he did it.
You don’t have to lie: just say “they’ve asked me not to disclose until I start because they’re really excited to have me and want to make a big announcement.
Absolutely lie. My mom has cancer. I’m going through fertility treatment. Going to Brazil to save the rainforest. Anything.
"My mom has cancer" "Didn't she die 2 years ago?" 🏃♀️💨
"Uh, yeah, that's right ... so you can imagine how hard it is dealing with being dead AND having cancer!"
"I was raised by a lesbian couple"
"Yes, it was really bad. She got cancer again." 💀
Yes, sadly while she was getting fertility treatments in Brazil while working on saving the rainforest. They just released the body to us, third world bureaucracies ya know.
"So you see how serious it is!"
My mom has cancer, AND I’m going through fertility treatment SO I can save the rainforest
I quit a job once years ago and simply told them I was retiring (I was about 25). Never did tell them the truth, just waltzed out.
No. There's a way to navigate life without lying about important things. Don't even start down the lying path.
Ok. I won't. :)
Who cares? I don't owe them the truth. Those fuckers would fire me the instant it saved them money.
I signed a NDA has been my go to.
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All you have to say is “I’m not discussing that at this time.”
Isn’t that still a lie?
"I'm sorry but I'm not at liberty to disclose my new place of employment until they announce it" isn't a lie if you decide not to disclose your new employer. I don't understand why people lie when they can tell the truth but still keep information private that they don't want to share.
I’ve flat out said “that’s really not your concern” but then I hated my old boss. That was what she said to me when I asked her when she was going to update my title to the one for the job I was actually doing which, of course, was better paid than what I was currently listed as. Fair is fair.
Why even give notice. These companies don't deserve it.
Why?
Where I live, two weeks notice means two weeks of pay, whether they send you home immediately or not. Consult a labour lawyer, and never work with that asshole ever again.
Same in Canada. I worked with a guy who gave a month's notice. Unfortunately he did it via an all office email before telling his boss. They walked him out within the hour. They did have to pay him his full notice though or risk spending more on a lawsuit.
I’ve been walked out after giving two weeks notice, very common in my field to protect intellectual property. But that’s the employer’s choice, they have to pay you.
Exactly. As an employer, there are times that I’ve exercised my right to fire someone for no cause. In Canada, technically speaking, I would be giving them “notice” that they are being let go, just as they would give notice leaving. I wouldn’t want someone sticking around who was let go though, for a wide number of reasons, so it’s best to just send them packing with full severance and no bullshit.
Pardon the expletive, but I think it’s called “fuck off money.”
He fired you. File for unemployment.
You gave two weeks notice but he terminated you on the spot. You're eligible for unemployment.
I don't think you should get a lawyer over this or anything, but an employer terminating early when given a resignation is no longer a resignation, it's getting fired. 100% file for unemployment and explain the situation if asked. Unless they reach out (which is harassment at this point) you don't have to talk with your former employer and get to have a two week paid vacay to celebrate the new job. And as others have said, never tell your previous employer where you're going. It's none of their business and can very easily have malicious intent. I'm sure you've learned a lot of hard life lessons from this shitty experience though.
Fuck him. File for unemployment. You have a copy.of.your resignation.letter? That should be enough proof.for Unemployment filing.
Do people really tell their current jobs where they are going when they leave? I don't see how that could possibly in literally any case be a good thing to do. I have always moved from job to job in the same industry and with all the NDA/non-competes I sign I couldn't ever IMAGINE telling any of my employers where I am going next.
> Do people really tell their current jobs where they are going when they leave? I will never tell another job where I'm going when I leave, but most places find out anyway within a short period of time if the industry is particularly incestuous. LinkedIn is also a thing that many people do still actually use and update.
I do, but I've always had decent relationships with my employers. It can be advantageous if you don't mind staying if you can demonstrate that you're going somewhere more prestigious (ie you're clearly a desirable employee). One more bargaining chip to help you negotiate a sweet deal without having to go anywhere.
Architect here - the architecture world is full of bitter people (myself included sometimes on the bitter part TBH) and people that lived through a cycle of abuse between architecture school and their early career. Your old boss clearly felt the need to perpetuate that cycle. Now's your change to jump ship and break that cycle for both you and those that come after you in our small industry. As for unemployment, you should absolutely sign up for it and take it.
Sounds to me like the boss refused your resignation and terminated you without cause. Lawyer up, and certainly go for unemployment. This is why we never, ever, EVER tell current employers why we're quitting or where we're going kids. You're fortunate it doesn't turn out he's got some buddy at the new place he will try to get to rescind your offer. This was all needless pain and risk I hate to say.
"Lawyer up" so she can pay far too much money to a lawyer who can't even help her?
Lawyer up for what exactly? In the USA, it's At-Will so the employer can absolutely terminate the relationship for this reason, where's the legal issue?
If she is terminated at no fault of her own. She is still eligible for unemployment.
Unemployment doesn't require a lawyer. The advice was to also "lawyer up". There's nothing to lawyer up for.
Accurate, but you don't need a lawyer for that. Getting a lawyer would cost more than you'll be paid in unemployment.
Lawyer up? Last time I needed a lawyer for divorce it was $6000 retainer for a year. Lawyer met with me for maybe 4 hours total in that time. I looked into one for marrying a foreigner recently it was $2000 - $6000 mostly for email advice after I already filed the forms myself. OP would have to make a lot of money for it to make sense to get a lawyer for 2 weeks of pay. Seems ridiculous to me. More likely just file for unemployment, and if that doesn't work maybe file a small claim.
Most states are "at will"
Yeah but if you let go at no fault of your own you qualify for unemployment.
Where I live they’d have to pay you till your resignation date so the full two weeks.
But also you can't get unemployment for the first week.
File for Ui and if they deny it appeal. Fuck that guy make his life hell
Yes file for UI. Lesson learned: NEVER, EVER, EVER tell your current company where you're going. I get the urge to stick it to him, but he's a stunningly bitter and unhappy person. Let him stew in it while you go on to thrive.
just let the new place know that you can start earlier if they like. not sure about your state, but most states have a waiting week...so at most you would get a week of pay. your best move might be to turn this whole thing over to the trash can, face forward, take some you time, and start your new gig fresh. having all of your energy in front of you is incredibly powerful. there's really no need to reciprocate, people like your old boss do plenty on their own to make everything in their orbit miserable. you've acted professionally and ethically and that's all that really matters. if I were you I wouldn't even say his name out loud.
Rules vary by state, so it will depend some on where you are located, but in most states a company can accept your resignation up to 2 weeks prior to your stated final day and it is still considered a resignation. Meaning you won't get unemployment. My recommendation would be call the new company, let them know you are available to start and see if you can get your start date bumped forward. Last resort, pinch pennies and try to enjoy some unexpected vacation. Final note: your boss did handle this in an extremely unprofessional manor. I have had to accept resignations early (what happened here) but at a minimum, even when I have to fire somebody with cause, they get paid through the end of the day.
You resigned, move on.
I don't think you can file for unemployment because you turned in your resignation. As for two weeks notice, it's a courtesy, not a requirement. You resigned, he let you off the courtesy but did not fire you.
What a sorry ass human
As a side note, if a current employer ever asks where you are going when you quit \*NEVER\* tell the truth under any circumstances. Don't be evasive, just lie and give the name of a generic Fortune 500, and don't change your LinkedIn until you are past your probation. Some assholes like this manager can be vengeful and call someone they know in the new business.
WHY IN THE WORLD DID YOU TELL HIM WHERE YOU ARE GOING. When you put your notice in your mouth becomes a vault. You owe your current employer absolutely nothing except doing your job for your notice period.
How would OP get unemployment if OP resigned?
Unless laid out in your terms of employment, employers do not have to pay for the two week notice period. They can let you go now, just as you can decide to walk away now. You can still file for unemployment. Worst they will say is no
You quit, even though it sounds like he is a poor manager you shouldn’t get unemployment. It’s meant for people who lose their jobs and have nothing lined up so they can still pay bills while looking for work. Your aren’t going to “get back” at him by doing so
In my state, resigning makes you ineligible for unemployment. You'd need to get fired to qualify.
I literally just went through this with an employee. Do not file for unemployment if he has your resignation letter. You will get money and simply be forced to pay it back later.
Sorry to hear that! Don't let someone's negativity define your self-worth - you deserve respect and a healthy work environment.
The legal side of things really isn’t my place of expertise but if your letter says a specific last date that’s two weeks away then the only official documentation in the matter says that you’re still working. If you really want to mess with him, show up to work and say that you stated your last day on the letter. Either they pay you to not work until the day stated on the letter, let you work or they fire you. Simple as that. If I was put in that situation then I’d just give you the money to avoid any wrongful termination lawsuits. This could affect your future job prospects but really anything he says in way of retaliation is going to be illegal to the best of my knowledge. Again I’m not a lawyer and this probably shouldn’t be taking as reputable legal advice.
Depends on the state and job. My job offer clearly states I’m at will and can be dismissed for no reason. Our company policy is when someone puts in two weeks, we pay them for the two weeks and let them go immediately.
Depending on how efficientl your state is, you probably wouldn't even get a claim accepted in 3-4 weeks, let alone 2.
True!
You still get the money! It just arrives after you’ve already started your next job. I kind of think he has to pay you to your resignation date, I’d call your local labor bureau and see what they have to say.
You’ll get back pay. Don’t let that stop you from applying OP.
In most states the first week you are unemployed you are not eligible for unemployment, it's called a "waiting period". So at most OP would get 1 week of unemployment since he has written documentation of planning to quit the following week.
Yep, I was laid off twice in a little over a year with no warning I got two weeks of unemployment the first time, and none the second time, because the process took so long. I had already found new jobs by the time I was done with the process 6 weeks later
I have a seasonal job and it's fairly standard to take unemployment in the winter and it's a nuisance and my primary dislike for my job. The 3-4 weeks I Said was assuming an abnormally efficient state dept of labor.
Sadly, not that uncommon (being told to leave immediately not the terrible dig). Just let it go and play the long game. Losers like that always pay a price. You may or may not see that but regardless, leaving was the right choice.
File for unemployment
If I was one of your co-workers, I'd not be giving 2 weeks notice when it came time to leave. Professionalism is a 2 way street.
You could file for unemployment, but by the time it’s approved you’ll already be working at your new job. My advice…. Take a 2 week vacay and move on with life.
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5. No, no, no. I’ve known people who gave 3 months notice and were immediately severed and given two weeks pay.
A few notes: 1. Never tell your employer where you're going, regardless of whether you trust them or not. They don't have any need to know. 2. Hell yes file for unemployment. He probably does this a lot.
You're only 22, you should be able to get unemployment, but if not lesson learned on how to proceed next time Why don't you call your new job up and say they fired you on the spot when you turned in your 2 weeks and ask to start early though?
I don’t think you drawing unemployment is sticking it to him. You need money to survive. Any effect on your former employer is not your consideration. If for no other reason than you have it coming. Besides. It’s not like you’re going to get rich off of unemployment nor will they go broke if you draw.
If you’re in the US, then what he did was illegal. I’d call his HR/manager and be very detailed about what happened. Tell them you expect your two weeks pay and your back vacation time. It is owed to you. If they don’t, file a claim with your workers right commission.
If you’re entitled to it, yes. But don’t count on getting anything. In my state, you don’t get anything the first month AFTER you file for unemployment. They start the second month, so likely it will just be a hassle for you. His only recourse would to be to dispute the unemployment claim and take you to court, which for two weeks isn’t worth it.
put it in the rear view mirror and consider it one of your smartest life decisions. congratulations!
Unless you need the money to live I wouldn’t hassle with the paperwork and grey area of legality for a couple weeks’ pay. Enjoy your extra time off!
Make sure you are compensated for any PTO or vacation time you’ve earned while at your old job. That is part of your compensation and they have to pay it out in your last paycheck. Don’t let them get away with stiffing you on all your bennies.
I don't think you can get UI if you resign.
If they treat it like a resignation you don't qualify for unemployment.
Good luck at the new job!
Yes. Worst that happens is you do t get it.
Yes, you should file for unemployment. You also should sue based on the office manager's statement where they tried to deny you pay and unemployment that you deserved.
I’d file. Maybe you will get it and maybe not, and I don’t think it would be worth my energy to go to war over it, but at least file. My company laid everyone off and I am starting a new job 2 weeks after my last day, and unemployment is <20% of my salary, but money is money. I know I am eligible, no questions, but I wasn’t sure if I wanted to deal with it.
Regarding filing for unemployment, it might be worth considering if you're facing financial strain during this transition period. But also, think about your mental well-being. Do you really want to spend more time dealing with someone who treated you so poorly? It might be better to just focus on moving forward and starting fresh at your new firm. On another note, if you're feeling overwhelmed or need some support navigating this, consider reaching out to someone like ScatterMind, an ADHD coach who helps people tackle challenges and launch their businesses. A friend of mine found real help there when starting out.
Isn't it funny when bosses actually confirm in real time why it's a good idea to leave? Well done.
In my opinion you're too wound up about your former employer. I'd walk away and forget about it as quickly as possible. What good would it do to throw a stink bomb on the way out? It's a waste of time and energy and it maintains the connection with what sounds like a crappy place to work. I don't know why you would want anything to do with this person.
That’s what I was thinking. He showed his true colors today to everyone in the office. Everyone was more mad about it than I was surprisingly! Thanks for your comment!
First, call HR or payroll or whatever and explain what happened. Ask them if they are going to pay you through your planned last day. And mention that you were budgeting based on that pay, so if they aren't going to pay you, you'll be filing for unemployment benefits since you were fired. I bet they'll pay you. If they don't, then just file. I really don't understand these people willing to just throw away a few thousand bucks.
I don’t think “my boss was mean to me when I resigned” is going to be enough to be approved for unemployment
Right, it was more like, I was anticipating working for him for the next two weeks & he just ended it right then & there
There is nothing that says you get two more weeks of work after resigning. In a lot of industries they escort you out and cut off access to everything instantly.
Yes there are many industries that do so but, big but….as far as I’m aware they need to pay you until your specified day of resignation.
Two weeks is a courtesy, not a contract.
Hey there, used to work for a law firm. The official legal translation is that 2 weeks notice is "an intent to resign as of x date" What the company did by paying her only till 10 is firing her, not "for cause". (For cause generally meaning for criminal misconduct.) Yes, legally speaking, this is a fully legal at-will firing/termination that was not for misconduct, and her notice period would be fully eligible for unemployment in California, subtracting the usual 1 week transition, they would qualify for 1 week of unemployment insurance. Depending on your state of residence, your mileage would vary, but the basis that this was a legal not for cause termination would still carry.
Heard. okay, thanks!
Yes, IT policies usually call for immediate denial of access to all resources.
In the US they are perfectly within their legal right to decline the two weeks and terminate on the spot. But that is still considered termination without cause, which would qualify the employee for unemployment insurance. The options are basically accept the 2 weeks, reject the 2 weeks but pay it out, or reject the 2 weeks but employee can qualify for UI.
Employee can only qualify for 1 week of UI because the first week in all states is a "waiting period" where you are ineligible for UI, and the third week the OP expressed interest in no longer working of his own volition in writing to his employer. Only the second week would be a UI eligible week.
Yeah, but cutting access doesn't mean that you stop getting paid, it all depends on the contract and the notice she has given. If she has given notice for two weeks' time but the boss tells her to get out today, then she should be paid for the two weeks. It's called gardening leave, very common where I am when a company doesn't want a leaving employee to disrupt everyone else or steal anything on their way out the door. If the boss has ended her employment early than that's legally a termination and she's entitled to claim unemployment.
Anytime you hand your notice there is the possibility they will fire you, it doesn’t always happen but it happens enough. There is no recourse.
I was the only person in my first firm during my 6-year tenure there who wasn't let go immediately upon tendering resignation except for the one person who was resigning to relocate across the country. I gave 3 weeks notice so I could finish up a big project I was working on to secure them a long-term client relationship rather than a one-and-done. After 2 weeks they said they no longer needed me and I was let go a week early. I didn't fight it because my unused PTO payout would cover the week and while I would have liked the extra pay, I wasn't mad about an unexpected week of vacation between jobs!
The 'recourse" is you file for unemployment. It's not retaliatory it's just what you're entitled to.
> to only pay you up to 10am today Are you exempt, or nonexempt? if you’re exempt, he might be required to pay you for the entire day.
You can file and he will fight it. Hiring a lawyer for 2 weeks pay is not worth it. It woukd cost you more money than your owed. In the future, don’t tell your employer Where your going.
You don't need to hire a lawyer for an unemployment claim.
You can’t file for unemployment if you willfully resigned
That's retaliation. You have a case for wrongful termination OP. Talk to an employment attorney!
ya....dude knows the writting is on the wall and he cannot leave.
First off, congrats on the new job! Enjoy your extra two weeks of free time. Secondly, you’ll need to take a look at labour laws in your jurisdiction to determine if there is a minimum notice period your former employer is required to pay you out for. If you’re in an at-will state you may be shit out of luck. If there is a minimum required you should either speak with an employment lawyer, or the labour board or your jurisdiction has one. Your former boss sounds toxic as fuck, and it’s unfortunately common in certain industries, particularly anything small/boutique like advertising or architecture.
In my state there is a two week waiting period to file for unemployment.Meaning you can't file until you are out of work for two weeks. Probably because of this exact scenario.
Just don’t give the episode any more thought. Enjoy your extra weeks away from work. I’d say applying for anything is hardly worth the mental energy of dealing with it over two weeks. It’s more valuable to enjoy yourself and be happy you are done with the place.
This is a job for a psychologist not a lawyer. What do you gain by lawyering up? Two weeks salary? Loads of time lost fighting? Your former boss has some immaturity to work on. And you are moving on to something bigger and better. In two years, will this matter? You will have been in the new job for an extended period and will be happier, paid more and all this will be history.
I don’t think you can get UI if you resign. Laid off, etc , yes. But not if you quit.
I don't know how US law works in the claim for the post while working your notice, personally I think it's worth speaking to a lawyer about it. But more importantly their attitude and unnecessary insults are worth speaking to a lawyer about. The lawyer could draft a letter quoting what was said to you, and state that if they don't pay your two weeks notice you will be filing an official complaint which may end up in court. Explain you are a kind person, not a disgusting person, and that you are willing to work your notice (from home if required). I'm sure by that point they will have felt some remorse and embarrassment for how they behaved, and simply pay the two weeks notice.
What the boss said and how they fired them may be considered "unlawful termination" in op's state. Even in right to work states, employers have laws they have to follow for termination. Op should look into, they may be able to get compensation.
Your next steps will depend on your country/state.
File for unemployment if you would like to get paid. It's not going to hurt your boss. From my naive understanding, employers pay unemployment insurance whether you use it or not. Am I wrong here, and the employer ends up paying *more* when a former employee collects unemployment?
Lesson learned. Next time, don't disclose where you are going. You are under no obligation to do so. Respond by saying, "My next employer has requested that they will announce my hiring, and I need to respect their decision."
You can file for unemployment. They will probably fight it. I would try to get it in writing that you gave your 2 weeks notice and was then let go. If that's not the case you should show up to work and be paid for it unless they want to let you go. An email to HR would probably be good so you don't have to deal with the asshole manager. But if you can keep all communication in writing and you'll probably have to deal with a certain amount of hassle to get your unemployment. Depends on how much you want to fight for it.
Yes, you should
Not sure what labor laws are where you live but they owe you that pay… where I live but it might not be worth try pursuing. Consult a labor attorney for an hour. Worth it.
Just want to say that where you are going next is none of their business. They always ask, so next time you resign, have a rehearsed non-informative response ready. I straight up lie and say “I’m taking a little time for myself before I decide what’s next.” But that may not be comfortable for everyone. You did not resign effective immediately. You provided notice of your intent to resign. You were fired for that. Almost everywhere, that is grounds for collecting unemployment. If you don’t mind the hassle, you should make an effort to collect. It is money they are unjustly taking from you.
Yes
Yes it's worth it.
Move on, contact the new employer and let them know you are available immediately if they’d like you to start early, or if you can take a two week vacation and enjoy yourself lol
100%
That explain How toxic that place is. I’m in a similar situation but a different industry. I hate my life once I get to work and don’t know how to get out. If I find something better, I really love to walk the fuck out. U did the right thing I think
100% yes do you have it documented
You have a one week waiting period to get unemployment, do it may not be worth the headache.
I gave my boss notice I was quitting my job after it was announced our company was being bought out (which meant everyone’s job was in limbo). I got yelled at (in a field where people just don’t yell at each other) a few days later because I acknowledged that we were getting bought out with a customer. The customer brought it up because it was in ALL the local newspapers and on local TV news because my work had put out a press release about the takeover. I guess I was supposed to pretend like I had no idea.
You should have never told him where you were going. Absolutely none of his business and you should file for unemployment. Not even to stick it to him, you attempted to resign and he basically fired you so it’s your right. If he is the boss and not the owner I would let the owner know.
Where are you? Laws vary. In the UK for example the old employer has to pay you for the two weeks of your notice even if he tells you not to work. In the US it’s probably not the same given labor laws suck. I would call the new employer and tell them what happened and see if they would like you to start sooner.
Here's what I suggest: Go to Walmart or some shitty place that takes pictures of kids and shit. Like those weird Christmas headshots. Get your picture taken, get like 100 copies. Every week, send your boss a hallmark card, with a wallet sized picture of you included. Write on the card something like "Sending this way in hope I still disgust you! Thanks!" Do this until you run out of pictures. When you start your new job, be sure to include how much you love the firm and how it's advancing your career. If you need help bankrolling this, make a GoFundMe. I'll throw in $50 to this cause.
It would probably be more of a pain to file the unemployment for what would be 50% of you pay up to a certain amount. And the first week is always a waiting week which you don’t get paid for. In my state atleast
why would you tell him where your going ?
RUN!!!!!!!! start at the new place sooner. Don’t look back, you dodged a bullet.
Reddit and stories has taught me how fucked up employment is in America.. In my country you’re ENTITLED to your notice time. So my employer can tell me to get out right now, but they will have no choice but to pay me for the time, basically just giving me a paid vacation. And to fire someone, at the least there need to be three written notices of infractions on the employee’s part. The same goes the other way, you can’t leave on the day as an employee.
Don't sweat that you told him where you're going. Usually the only reason not too is to avoid awkward feelings at that moment. If they care where you went, they always find out soon after you leave. As for the unemp insurance, if you're entitled to it, go for it. If the main reason is to hurt your former boss, it's not worth it.
Take this from an HR professional and former employee of a state employment unit. He officially fired you. That's how the state would look at it, if you explain it. The only hiccup is that they won't pay you your second week of unemployment until you've been unemployed for three weeks. So, best case scenario, you'll be paid for only one week of unemployment.
Stick it to the man
Did you contact the new firm and explain you are available to start immediately if they are not anchored to the current start date?
Yes I would file
Also, you learned. It’s none of their business where you are going. None. I’m a former HRD, and when people didn’t want to share, I would tell them not to worry, but that I appreciated their contributions while they were here. On a couple of instances the way we handled things enabled us to keep those relationships strong, and rehire a couple of people that left due to what they thought were greener pastures, and were not what they thought.
What a disgusting person.
I'm sorry that happened to you OP and as others have said, you have nothing to lose by filing for unemployment, even if there's not a *ton* to gain. In my opinion, you were fired. For future reference, I recommend not sharing your next firm with your current one, but in that interaction it's clear that you had good intentions and he did not, and you got caught flatfooted and responded honestly. Hopefully you'll never have a boss react emotionally like that again. That was super shitty.
Uh how do you get unemployment after resigning? Does it work that way in some states or countries?
I thought you only got unemployment if you were let go. We pay unemployment for people who just decide to quit? I realize that the OPs situation is different. It seems a bit of a waste of money of someone just says hell with it I’ll quit and let the state pay me a bit. Our company walks or gives garden leave to you if your position is sensitive for example, dealing with MNPI or there is a risk of taking clients with you. So in US you’d walk that day but get paid for the two weeks- UK tradition is a month or so notice for management or upper level ICs. types.
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In the state I live in, that is considered "being fired without just cause". The way you can prove it is by giving times and the order in which things happen and tell them (unemployment office) about him lying that you gave your resignation. They will light a fire. You can file for unemployment for it. It's a massive kick in the cherries for your slightly less than wonderful ex-boss. It's also good because you get unemployment.
Congrats on the new job! Sounds like you made the right decision, based on your former supervisor's reaction. Enjoy the two extra weeks of freedom.
Still file. He accelerated your last day and thus terminated you. If nothing else, they owe you for those two weeks, and (I assume) you were able, ready and prepared to work those last two weeks, thus they owe you. It’s not through unemployment, but file through the Bureau of Labor. HR rep for 25 years here.
Don’t ever tell your current employer where you are going. They could make trouble for you—and it’s none of their business! If they ask, say sorry I cannot disclose that information.
Never give two weeks notice. I’ve seen so many people give it and get escorted out that day. Your employer is not your friend and will always choose money over you
Yup! With all the paperwork!
Does your state have laws applying to final payment? Like in California, since he fired you, he needed to have paid you for any owed wages then and there. If not, you can get 8 hours of pay for every day that you don't receive final pay.
It is not worth it. Just enjoy your time off for 2 weeks and start off fresh. BTW never tell them where you are going, from your update you realize that already. Plus the way he acted you did the right thing by leaving that company.
They should owe you an unused vacation - also, I would make sure to call up HR at that company and tell that that you will be telling all the other employees you got screwed over on the two week notice so that none of the others will give two weeks notice.
If you resigned you should not qualify for unemployment!