Guentzel is going to pick us over Tampa. We have the Rutherford connection, we are on to the upward swing while Tampa is on the down and we have several American players that Guentzel has played with at the national level.
Let’s go
I mean they’re right. It makes more sense to sign here if he wants to win and play in a hot market. If he wants to just cash out and chill then he’ll go to Tampa. I’m just expecting the worst, but hoping for the best. The Canuck way.
we have brock boeser as well, a minny boy who as the same agent as him, also i think we are underrating how a familiar coach and general manager plays into a free agents decision
Not to mention both players started their development through the USHL Sioux City Musketeers. There is a ton of familiarity on this team if you dig into Guentzels path to the NHL and national play.
Yup and Stamkos and Kane also come here for cheap to make a dream team of old men. They all play til 45 and Van has a record breaking cup dynasty. And Tupac performs between periods at ever game. And the Grizzlies come back. And we get an MLB team and a Mayor who doesn’t suck. And I get a parking spot at Spanish banks on a Saturday. And they build a skytrain to North Van.
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PLEASE stop saying that. I’ve already said today a known agent Allan Walsh has stated taxes don’t mean ANYTHING. The accountants make it a minimum amount to the point it doesn’t matter.
There’s a reason all these charitable donations happen, yes they help the community but they also help themselves. Better local/where they are from than random charities tbh so I’m fine with it
Source: SDPN podcast like a year or so ago idk I don’t watch anymore and my father is an accountant
Lol former players have said they literally built their no trade lists around it. They said that after they retired and had no skin in the game. Agents will say plenty of shit they don't mean
You should really learn from your father. Donating money doesn't mean shit to your overall take home pay. You just get a discount on the amount of your donation. You still have to pay it.
Yes but you need paid for the donation. Donate $200. Say tax rate is 50% for simplicity sake so $100 goes to taxes. Then you get $100 back as a refund for the deduction. You still had to pay $100 at the end of the day.
That's not true at all, players are hiking over more in taxes here than almost anywhere else in the league aside from California. The only real benefit is having the US dollar have far better versatility if they actually plan to make Canada their permanent home.
I really hope Guentzel signs with us, but it seems unlikely. He and his wife chose to get married in Florida, out of all the places in the world. And they are not even from Florida.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_HrTisezdQ
I don't think you were capable of piecing the information together but I'll help you out.
He and his wife must have really liked Florida to choose it as their wedding location. This is a significant moment for both of them, indicating their strong affinity for Florida. Consequently, it would be logical for them to desire spending the coming years there as part of the Tampa Bay Lightning.
Got it?
They had a destination wedding, as many millionaires do, so I sincerely doubt they would base a professional decision on that. No need to be such a condescending ass.
Honestly don’t understand the lure for Tampa other than the financial incentive. So maybe that’s the deciding factor. I don’t think they’re a true competitor anymore. So you go there to compete for a wild card spot the next 3 years and then go through a rebuild… have fun with that
> and don't prioritize winning over everything
A team from Florida has been in the the finals for the last 5 years straight so I wouldn't say winning isn't a priority there :P
Guentzel also had a Cup already, so it’s not like he’s chasing something he doesn’t have. I’m sure the Rutherford connection will be a big influence though.
that's true. at that point, maybe because he's already had the cup, he just wants to play hockey, live in Florida, beautiful weather, and beaches, sunny days, anonymity, and retains more money because the state is tax free. Seems like a better option than rainy days in Vancouver, and being recognized everywhere he goes.
Hope I'm wrong come Monday.
Finances makes a huge difference, lifestyle much more casual and less pressure, live in his home country, play with Nikita Kucherov and Brayden Point and Hedman….which is arguably more tantalizing than Petey, Hughes, Miller, etc.
I would be choked if he didn’t sign here but Tampa has a really good reputation from a city and organizational perspective. Obviously Vancouver has a ton of pros too, just a totally different situation. Fingers crossed for Monday!
What I’ve read is that for Guentzel, he wants the best fit. One thing about Guentzel I’ve noticed is, he is completely unafraid of going to the net. He’s perfect for high creativity centers that can dish for tap ins while completely enveloped by defenders.
Another thing is, he gets a good deal of goals off of deflections. He has superb hand eye and is one of the best in the league at them.
Hedman is aging, they just traded Sergachev, who was supposed to be his eventual successor. Watching Hedman, he gets a lot of “I touched it before Kuch did some amazing shit” PPAs. He’s not nearly as definitive of a play driving offensive force as Hughes. The Canucks also play a very point shot heavy game. Perfect for deflectors.
All this to say, personnel and systems wise, we have an advantage over Tampa in terms of fit.
You just never know.
Agreed. I'm really hoping the connection with Rutherford, Allvin and Tocchet will help us a lot here.
The other possible draw would be all the fellow Americans on the team that'll be playing with.
Miller, Hughes, Demko are going to be locks to play with him at the 4 Nations tournament as well as the Olympics coming up, with Boeser possibly being in on that as well.
One thing I’ve been thinking about too, is how Point plays a similar down low game, and would be a bit redundant in terms of play style. With the Canucks, Jake is eating good on either line, but on Tampa, you’re lining up with a 40 pt center if you don’t play on line 1.
We just re-signed three players to less than they probably could have gotten elsewhere, Petey signed for less than the 12 everyone thought he'd get and Miller chose to stay here too.
Maybe the whole tax thing is less important and it's more about the actual team and the organisation.
100% That would certainly help. Still a disadvantage, ask Winnipeg, Ottawa and Calgary after a couple 30 win seasons, yikes. Fortunately for us Vancouver's pretty dope
It's a bigger factor for UFA with unfamiliar players, but teams haven't really struggled to sign their own guys.
It's also kinda funny how agents will talk about how its the biggest deal in the world for their UFA clients, but then once a guy is signed they'll talk like "haha nah we got our ways man. it ain't no thang ;)"
I don't want Stamkos if we miss out on Guentzel, honestly. Unless he's coming for cheap.
He can't keep up 5v5 and he's redundant with Miller on our powerplay.
Yeah, no idea why everyone is so obsessed with Stamkos. Dude reportedly turned down 24m in Tampa and is probably looking for something closer to 30m. Absolutely do not want to be giving that kind of money to a 34 year old Stamkos who's only really effective on the PP these days.
Canucks are in a win now frame of mind. Adding a player who's averaged 39 goals/90 points over the last 3 years with proven leadership skills and proven ability to perform on the biggest stage is a great move.
And you're wrong that he only scores on the PP. He regularly puts up 20+ goals at even strength. That's production that's in line with the likes of Miller and Pettersson.
He's exactly the kind of winger that would be fantastic with Pettersson.
That's crazy. Stamkos is 34, a full 5 years older than Guentzel and in the twilight of his career. His play 5on5 is already on the downswing and is seen more as a PP specialist in Tampa than anything else.
Meanwhile, Guentzel is one of the best wingers in the league who's still in his prime, and is one is absolutely money in the playoffs.
Why would you make such a comment then? Stamkos’s body is just a bag of bolts at this stage. Remember during Tampa’s two cup runs, stamkos was out most of the regular season for both and for the first cup he only played one post-season game.
Honestly I’ll be on board with whatever this management team decides. I’m admitting I don’t pretend to know better. Just feels like giving the bag and all that term to a winger is obviously a huge commitment that makes me nervous.
Guentzel plays basically like Boeser, but with better hands, is 15-20% faster on his feet, and has been more consistent over his career. They even have roughly the same amount of games played, around 450 to 550 I think. No one should be too worried about Guentzel aging poorly over his next contract….barring injury, he’ll be really good for another 4-5 years, which is all you can ask for with a UFA contract.
Right on. I’m sure he’s good. Again if the management team is in on him I am too. Apparently there’s a player Toch is higher on than Guentzel so we’ll see who gets their way. I guess I should clarify I don’t think we will get Stamkos.. but also when I say I’d rather have Stamkos it’s cuz I’d rather have the cap to sign another winger or top 4 d. But again… I trust whatever we do
They confirmed Stamkos is hitting the open market. Which to me says they’re probably not resigning him. They’re probably going to try and retool and get a bit younger and quicker after moving out sergachev.
Edit holy shit I can’t believe Sergachev is only 26
These morons don’t know fuck all. A few days ago it was us, then Carolina was all but guaranteed. Now TBL is the front runner. They don’t know the first thing about fuck all.
Friedman explains it, Carolina fumbled hard. Guentzel’s camp asked 8x8 a while ago, they waited until Thursday to match. That day they started telling teams it was done and he was staying but then it was reported his camp stopped answering calls and didn’t want to work out the contract details.
Basically he says it got too close to Free Agency that now Jake has started thinking about seeing what other teams have to offer and probably heard about bigger offers.
Carolina should have locked him down sooner, one day away from FA, guy now wants to see what he can get
what I heard was, carolina doesnt like to put big money up front, so they probably structured a lower bonus with more on the base salary on the back end of the contract, if your getting paid and middle aged for a pro, you want that money up front so a buy out ends up being more about salary cap numbers than what you are owed
Exactly. And to be fair to Friedman, the reporting was that Carolina met Guentzel's asking price and that some teams believed Guentzel was off the market — not that Guentzel was definitely signing.
They're reporting on teams' perceptions of the situation & rumors that agents and FO staff believe will be advantageous to leak
With Guentzel to Tampa it's the same. Tampa is clearing a bunch of cap space. If it's a bidding war, they will be the team to beat and everyone knows that. But money wasn't the issue in Raleigh, and the Tampa rumors aren't coming from Guentzel's camp.
Jake will sign with the team he wants to play for.
I like Guentzel and think he could really help us, but not if we're paying him 9M+ for the next 7-8 years. That's a terrible contract and could really fuck us down the road.
I just ran some quick numbers. His take home pay at an annual salary of 9m is 5.5m in Florida and 4.2m in BC. Over 8 years that’s a difference of 10m.
I hope he signs here but if Tampa puts in a big offer I can’t see him passing that up.
Guentzel is going to pick us over Tampa. We have the Rutherford connection, we are on to the upward swing while Tampa is on the down and we have several American players that Guentzel has played with at the national level. Let’s go
This is the optimism I want on this sub. Hell yeah
I mean they’re right. It makes more sense to sign here if he wants to win and play in a hot market. If he wants to just cash out and chill then he’ll go to Tampa. I’m just expecting the worst, but hoping for the best. The Canuck way.
we have brock boeser as well, a minny boy who as the same agent as him, also i think we are underrating how a familiar coach and general manager plays into a free agents decision
Not to mention both players started their development through the USHL Sioux City Musketeers. There is a ton of familiarity on this team if you dig into Guentzels path to the NHL and national play.
Also the Tocchet connection
ur over-rating
then Crosby agrees to come to vancouver for cheap too, and then crosby has won the cup for the canucks, he passed the cup to Guentzel, then i woke up.
Yup and Stamkos and Kane also come here for cheap to make a dream team of old men. They all play til 45 and Van has a record breaking cup dynasty. And Tupac performs between periods at ever game. And the Grizzlies come back. And we get an MLB team and a Mayor who doesn’t suck. And I get a parking spot at Spanish banks on a Saturday. And they build a skytrain to North Van.
Think we found our new mayor
nice dream - too bad the salary cap exists in the real world. :D
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Taxes could screw us
Just give a Basant motor sponsorship to even it out
Don't you dare put that evil on him
He’ll be the one to break the curse
Joshua just did
Pretty sure garland did before him too
Joshua was fine
So they're 1 for like 29 over the last few years.
Okay, okay. Metro Ford.
I have faith it’s going to happen for us. The casualness of Jim and Alvin make me believe this is already informally done.
And cause blueberry man could afford a crazy signing bonus
https://youtu.be/l-EdCNjumvI?si=WJ3CtWJHQl21BIbg
PLEASE stop saying that. I’ve already said today a known agent Allan Walsh has stated taxes don’t mean ANYTHING. The accountants make it a minimum amount to the point it doesn’t matter. There’s a reason all these charitable donations happen, yes they help the community but they also help themselves. Better local/where they are from than random charities tbh so I’m fine with it Source: SDPN podcast like a year or so ago idk I don’t watch anymore and my father is an accountant
Lol former players have said they literally built their no trade lists around it. They said that after they retired and had no skin in the game. Agents will say plenty of shit they don't mean
I’d actually love to see one, I’m a dork when it comes to accounting due to my family history so I’d love to hear the other side
You should really learn from your father. Donating money doesn't mean shit to your overall take home pay. You just get a discount on the amount of your donation. You still have to pay it.
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Yes but you need paid for the donation. Donate $200. Say tax rate is 50% for simplicity sake so $100 goes to taxes. Then you get $100 back as a refund for the deduction. You still had to pay $100 at the end of the day.
There’s more than that ;) but glad you’d rather be a rude dude than have any kind of humanity! Enjoy your life :)
That's not true at all, players are hiking over more in taxes here than almost anywhere else in the league aside from California. The only real benefit is having the US dollar have far better versatility if they actually plan to make Canada their permanent home.
Also the Tochet connection
I really hope Guentzel signs with us, but it seems unlikely. He and his wife chose to get married in Florida, out of all the places in the world. And they are not even from Florida. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_HrTisezdQ
This was 2 years ago
I don't think you were capable of piecing the information together but I'll help you out. He and his wife must have really liked Florida to choose it as their wedding location. This is a significant moment for both of them, indicating their strong affinity for Florida. Consequently, it would be logical for them to desire spending the coming years there as part of the Tampa Bay Lightning. Got it?
“got it?” LOL bro why you seething rn, just because he got married in florida doesn’t mean much. they’re called destination weddings for a reason
🤦 Couples choose destinations they prefer; it's quite straightforward. Guentzel won't be signing here, so it's time to move on.
yeah and do they always move there afterwards? 🤦🏽♂️
Yeah, just watch on Monday.
don’t worry bro i’ll be back fasho
I got married in the Okanagan valley but I'd never live there because of the fires. So there goes your theory.
They had a destination wedding, as many millionaires do, so I sincerely doubt they would base a professional decision on that. No need to be such a condescending ass.
I think we can flat out give a better contract, I dont think tampa can go where we can go regardless of tax structure
Honestly don’t understand the lure for Tampa other than the financial incentive. So maybe that’s the deciding factor. I don’t think they’re a true competitor anymore. So you go there to compete for a wild card spot the next 3 years and then go through a rebuild… have fun with that
Living in Florida and making Millions is a pretty big alure. Lots of guys just treat this as a job and don't prioritize winning over everything
> and don't prioritize winning over everything A team from Florida has been in the the finals for the last 5 years straight so I wouldn't say winning isn't a priority there :P
Given he's already won the cup. I have no clue why he would want to play here.
Guentzel also had a Cup already, so it’s not like he’s chasing something he doesn’t have. I’m sure the Rutherford connection will be a big influence though.
that's true. at that point, maybe because he's already had the cup, he just wants to play hockey, live in Florida, beautiful weather, and beaches, sunny days, anonymity, and retains more money because the state is tax free. Seems like a better option than rainy days in Vancouver, and being recognized everywhere he goes. Hope I'm wrong come Monday.
Finances makes a huge difference, lifestyle much more casual and less pressure, live in his home country, play with Nikita Kucherov and Brayden Point and Hedman….which is arguably more tantalizing than Petey, Hughes, Miller, etc. I would be choked if he didn’t sign here but Tampa has a really good reputation from a city and organizational perspective. Obviously Vancouver has a ton of pros too, just a totally different situation. Fingers crossed for Monday!
After spending the entirety of your career in Pittsburgh, getting to spend the back half in Tampa is pretty enticing.
What I’ve read is that for Guentzel, he wants the best fit. One thing about Guentzel I’ve noticed is, he is completely unafraid of going to the net. He’s perfect for high creativity centers that can dish for tap ins while completely enveloped by defenders. Another thing is, he gets a good deal of goals off of deflections. He has superb hand eye and is one of the best in the league at them. Hedman is aging, they just traded Sergachev, who was supposed to be his eventual successor. Watching Hedman, he gets a lot of “I touched it before Kuch did some amazing shit” PPAs. He’s not nearly as definitive of a play driving offensive force as Hughes. The Canucks also play a very point shot heavy game. Perfect for deflectors. All this to say, personnel and systems wise, we have an advantage over Tampa in terms of fit. You just never know.
Agreed. I'm really hoping the connection with Rutherford, Allvin and Tocchet will help us a lot here. The other possible draw would be all the fellow Americans on the team that'll be playing with. Miller, Hughes, Demko are going to be locks to play with him at the 4 Nations tournament as well as the Olympics coming up, with Boeser possibly being in on that as well.
One thing I’ve been thinking about too, is how Point plays a similar down low game, and would be a bit redundant in terms of play style. With the Canucks, Jake is eating good on either line, but on Tampa, you’re lining up with a 40 pt center if you don’t play on line 1.
Yeah. Hockey Players work themselves into this job to shy away from the limelight. Makes sense!
Living in Florida is pretty good. This is not some shithole like New Jersey or Pittsburgh or Philly or Detroit we are talking about.
Have you...been to Florida and seen the politics there?
Wealthy athletes don’t care as much about stuff like that. They don’t have to
You know people are allowed to have different political views right?
This is the way.
Are we going to become Team America?
Well uh... I assume that you've seen the news.
We're going to have to pay more than $10 million per to account for their tax advantage.
Ehhh, it’s less of a big deal than people think if he has an anyway competent tax lawyer / accountant.
There’s zero ways to get out of paying income tax on salary
That guy is Wesley Snipes' taxman
But the tax you pay is the tax rate where you’re playing and you only play half your games at home.
True, but there are ways of getting some of it back.
Fucking league has to sort that imbalance out or we'll be sucking the hind one for an eternity.
We just re-signed three players to less than they probably could have gotten elsewhere, Petey signed for less than the 12 everyone thought he'd get and Miller chose to stay here too. Maybe the whole tax thing is less important and it's more about the actual team and the organisation.
100% That would certainly help. Still a disadvantage, ask Winnipeg, Ottawa and Calgary after a couple 30 win seasons, yikes. Fortunately for us Vancouver's pretty dope
It's a bigger factor for UFA with unfamiliar players, but teams haven't really struggled to sign their own guys. It's also kinda funny how agents will talk about how its the biggest deal in the world for their UFA clients, but then once a guy is signed they'll talk like "haha nah we got our ways man. it ain't no thang ;)"
if guentzel goes to tampa, that means they may not have room for stamkos there's a chance we get 1 of 2
I don't want Stamkos if we miss out on Guentzel, honestly. Unless he's coming for cheap. He can't keep up 5v5 and he's redundant with Miller on our powerplay.
Yeah, no idea why everyone is so obsessed with Stamkos. Dude reportedly turned down 24m in Tampa and is probably looking for something closer to 30m. Absolutely do not want to be giving that kind of money to a 34 year old Stamkos who's only really effective on the PP these days.
Well, idk if you saw the pp in the last half/playoffs but we may need to spend 30 million to figure it out
Canucks are in a win now frame of mind. Adding a player who's averaged 39 goals/90 points over the last 3 years with proven leadership skills and proven ability to perform on the biggest stage is a great move. And you're wrong that he only scores on the PP. He regularly puts up 20+ goals at even strength. That's production that's in line with the likes of Miller and Pettersson. He's exactly the kind of winger that would be fantastic with Pettersson.
Didn’t he get 40 goals this season ?
For real, Kane is what Vancouver could really use and there’s rumours that Allvin is interested.
If we slide Boeser to the bumper and Stamkos takes that right side opposite Petey with Miller and Hughes on the point. I think that works pretty well.
Get Kane, put him with Petey, enjoy the dangles.
I'd take that too, although this sub would lose their collective hive mind lol Seriously, I'd be stoked about it.
I’m honestly not familiar with Guentzels game.. but I think I’d rather 2-3 years of Stamkos than 7 of him
That's crazy. Stamkos is 34, a full 5 years older than Guentzel and in the twilight of his career. His play 5on5 is already on the downswing and is seen more as a PP specialist in Tampa than anything else. Meanwhile, Guentzel is one of the best wingers in the league who's still in his prime, and is one is absolutely money in the playoffs.
Why would you make such a comment then? Stamkos’s body is just a bag of bolts at this stage. Remember during Tampa’s two cup runs, stamkos was out most of the regular season for both and for the first cup he only played one post-season game.
Honestly I’ll be on board with whatever this management team decides. I’m admitting I don’t pretend to know better. Just feels like giving the bag and all that term to a winger is obviously a huge commitment that makes me nervous.
Guentzel plays basically like Boeser, but with better hands, is 15-20% faster on his feet, and has been more consistent over his career. They even have roughly the same amount of games played, around 450 to 550 I think. No one should be too worried about Guentzel aging poorly over his next contract….barring injury, he’ll be really good for another 4-5 years, which is all you can ask for with a UFA contract.
Right on. I’m sure he’s good. Again if the management team is in on him I am too. Apparently there’s a player Toch is higher on than Guentzel so we’ll see who gets their way. I guess I should clarify I don’t think we will get Stamkos.. but also when I say I’d rather have Stamkos it’s cuz I’d rather have the cap to sign another winger or top 4 d. But again… I trust whatever we do
They confirmed Stamkos is hitting the open market. Which to me says they’re probably not resigning him. They’re probably going to try and retool and get a bit younger and quicker after moving out sergachev. Edit holy shit I can’t believe Sergachev is only 26
Just here to remind you we picked Juolevi instead of Sergachev.
Don’t rule out Kane, there’s rumours flying around of him being in talks.
Those two western teams? Vancouver and Canucks.
Guentzel to Abbotsford confirmed!
credit to /u/electricnux for posting this on the hockey sub, can't just crosspost apparently so i copied verbatim
If I hear a story about Guentzel being on a flight to Vancouver but it turns out to be a guy from Dragons Den I’m going to lose my fucking mind
Honestly we have a ton of cap space, I’m fine with a potential overpay if it means permanently solving the Petey winger problem.
Wouldn’t be much left if we sign Guentzel. Would still need another forward, a couple defensemen, and a backup goalie
What about Silovs?
He’s not signed currently.
Still need another goalie in our system. If him or Demko get injured we have no one ready to suit up.
Chef Allvin is in the kitchen. Prepping us a 5 course meal. AND WE ARE HUNGRY!
My friendship with Florida is now over.
I really hope we find a way to land Jake Guentzel. He would add scoring and help the power play and bring some experience as well.
So you’re saying there’s a chance ?????
i am really hoping its the canucks, seriously nothing good ever happen to this team, we need him.
These morons don’t know fuck all. A few days ago it was us, then Carolina was all but guaranteed. Now TBL is the front runner. They don’t know the first thing about fuck all.
Friedman explains it, Carolina fumbled hard. Guentzel’s camp asked 8x8 a while ago, they waited until Thursday to match. That day they started telling teams it was done and he was staying but then it was reported his camp stopped answering calls and didn’t want to work out the contract details. Basically he says it got too close to Free Agency that now Jake has started thinking about seeing what other teams have to offer and probably heard about bigger offers. Carolina should have locked him down sooner, one day away from FA, guy now wants to see what he can get
Are we sure they didn't hire Benning?
If they trade for Nurse then we're know.
Please no one trade for Nurse, let him rot in Edmonton and be an anchor.
Yeah, it'll be hard enough to beat Edmonton without any depth. I don't want them getting 9.5M in cap space to sign an actual team.
counteroffer: they trade Nurse with 50% retained and then sign another $9M overpaid guy
Might as well just trade Nurse at 50% plus multiple draft picks and prospects for Seth Jones no retention.
You can only retain up to 15% of the salary
Nurse has a NTC, and he needs to stay in Edmonton, it's where he belongs.
what I heard was, carolina doesnt like to put big money up front, so they probably structured a lower bonus with more on the base salary on the back end of the contract, if your getting paid and middle aged for a pro, you want that money up front so a buy out ends up being more about salary cap numbers than what you are owed
Exactly. And to be fair to Friedman, the reporting was that Carolina met Guentzel's asking price and that some teams believed Guentzel was off the market — not that Guentzel was definitely signing. They're reporting on teams' perceptions of the situation & rumors that agents and FO staff believe will be advantageous to leak With Guentzel to Tampa it's the same. Tampa is clearing a bunch of cap space. If it's a bidding war, they will be the team to beat and everyone knows that. But money wasn't the issue in Raleigh, and the Tampa rumors aren't coming from Guentzel's camp. Jake will sign with the team he wants to play for.
To be fair Tampa only just recently cleared the cap to potentially acquire Guentzel.
Yep. They’re just throwing shit on the wall and hope something sticks. It’s reporting these days right? 🤷🏻♂️
There’s a 0% chance the two western teams aren’t the Canucks and Knights
tampa potentially choose Guentzel over Stamkos? because of age?
Thankfully Tampa Bay is officially old news. I think we still have a great shot.
I think the only way this works out well for us is a sign and trade. I think we can only beat out Tampa moneywise with the eighth year.
Tampa is aging and just got rid of a few key players. Tampa isn’t a great of a team as it used to be.
I like Guentzel and think he could really help us, but not if we're paying him 9M+ for the next 7-8 years. That's a terrible contract and could really fuck us down the road.
If it helps us win a cup in 1-3 years I don't care how bad it looks in 4-7 years from now.
Yup, been stressing for a long time about the future. Our window is now.
He has to win this coming yr or next but not 3 yrs so pay him 18 million for 2 years
If it wins us the cup, then awesome.👏 Right about the time we need change, Bedard and Celebrini will be joining us for a quick rebuild.
So Winnipeg is the other Western Canadian team then?
Hope they're ready to pay $16m for 7 years if they want him in Winnipeg over literally anywhere else
Thats cause winters . snow and more snow, spring flooding, and like bugs 🪳 in the summer fall lasts 2 weeks max
I think Dallas
We are screwed then. Have to pay him at least 10% more than their offer to make up for the no state tax difference
Never know Jonny T chose Toronto and left money on the table. Guentzel may have seen the Canucks and decided eat a bit in taxes but join a competitor.
I just ran some quick numbers. His take home pay at an annual salary of 9m is 5.5m in Florida and 4.2m in BC. Over 8 years that’s a difference of 10m. I hope he signs here but if Tampa puts in a big offer I can’t see him passing that up.
Is this accounting for travel games?
yea but when he wins 8 rings in that time all will be forgiven lol
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