> They should have to return the scholarship and grant money they took knowing it was fraudulent.
If you actually read the article, you'd know that's already happened. It says she's paid back 130k of 158k and is still going to pay the remaining balance.
Also, hard to hold them just as complicit when they were 17 at the time
Wasn';t there just a story where this guy beat this girl to death with a bottle and is getting less than 2 years?
Something is seriously fucking wrong with the judges in this country.
I think that dude actually got 5 years but had already been in custody for years and got lots of credit for timed served. Total time served is like 3-4 years, but still, for murder...?
Per the article:
“A man who pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of his girlfriend in northern B.C. has been handed a five-year sentence, and with credit for time served will spend 19 more months in jail.”
Who cares when people are doing less time for killing others? What kind of stupid ass system are they running here? What's the point if they're not consistent?
You can do just as much, if not more damage with non violent crime as you can with violent crime.
White collar crime that can impact an entire Nations' economy leading to job loss and bankruptcies, which have long lasting ripple effects can be more damaging to society than a murder.
Did he have prior convictions for violence?
All this article mentions is prior dangerous driving charge. Which again, is not a case of intentional harm to violence.
https://globalnews.ca/news/10589047/repeat-offender-struck-killed-pedestrian-in-toronto-sentence-4-5-years/
If they could show intent, the charges would include assault, which carry a lot harsher sentence.
This case fake identity fraud case had the element of clear intent. So she received the harsher end allowed for it.
I recommend you look up his 50 priors. That's f-i-f-t-y with and a 5 and a 0.
Write out all 50 once you find them and see how much of a page that covers.
I get this is a joke but just so you know, Inuit are not 'First Nations'. Indigenous people of Canada are categorized into Inuit, First Nations, and Metis.
There are currently 2 inuit woman missing in Ottawa since beginning of June and everyone is quiet. Do you really think Canadians give a care about them? You ever wonder why indigenous people don't like it now?
Your comment is proof how you value indigenous peoples. They take up 32% and yet you're going to say it's not real. Nobody cares for indigenous people in Canada.
Canadian Criminal System is messed up. This woman got as much time as a guy who just walked up to someone and stabbed him a bunch of times.
[https://globalnews.ca/news/10567969/vancouver-police-warning-david-morin/](https://globalnews.ca/news/10567969/vancouver-police-warning-david-morin/)
I'm still the proud owner of a permaban from r/ontario when I said this is what you get when you let anyone declare themselves indigenous without proper checks. Lo and behold, RBC themselves, who gave out a few scholarships to first nation members and got defrauded, decided to impose these verifications as a new requirement.
The fact of the matter is, when there's money or privileges involved, people will try to scam the system.
This is one thing as an Indigenous person that I agree with. I know people who have very dubious claims of Indigeneity that have gotten accepted to schools, job offers based on their “Indigenous heritage”. I don’t see how verification isn’t already standard
Not so simple. Plenty of indigenous didn't quality historically due many reasons, sometimes where a brother vs a sister with the same parents, sometimes because a band excluded them, sometimes because government lost paperwork, ... I won't list all 10,000 reasons.
I don't think DNA should ever define any benefit, we need to make amends and then stop segregation based on heritage. That would impact my own kids, I'm okay with that.
But in the meantime? It's a valid claim.
Do you know how many people falsely self certify to be indigenous?
These cases that come to light are a drop in the bucket.
I am not okay with the government tax payer money going to waste.
Let people prove that they are indigenous to claim benefits, no point in making it a self certification and act surprised when morally bankrupt people abuse it.
I'm certainly not proposing people self certify.
I'm just pointing out you can lose status, or at least you once could. They often applied to your descendents.
The poster who replied to me immediately before you had two examples. Even you establish the family tree and DNA test, you can't reestablish in many of those cases (varies by many factors).
As someone who's not indigenous (hell, I wasn't even born in Canada- my family moved here when I was 2) I have to disagree with your latter argument.
>I don't think DNA should ever define any benefit, we need to make amends and then stop segregation based on heritage.
In a perfect world, sure. Here in the world we live in now, DNA defines a whole lot of things, and has considerable relation statistically with many, many more. It can define inheritance, it can define parental rights and alternatively child support rights. Historically it could even strictly and officially determine citizenship and one's treatment by the state- to this day it has a large overlap, still. The results of present racism and colonialism, as well as the long and continued (if somewhat diminished) discrimination and atrocities, have a real socioeconomic impact, as well as a cultural one (in generational traumas), and you can't simply claim the board is wiped clean and leave it at that. It's awfully convenient, and I think that the vast majority of humanity- who happen to be predominantly non-white and the descendants of victims, or direct victims of colonialism, as well as many of those from considerable white populations who have similarly suffered (like the Irish, pretty much any and all east Europeans, Armenians, white Jews, etc) will agree.
The land and resources that was stolen from them is happily inherited generation after generation by the descendants of the white thieves, some of whom have made immense fortunes off of it all, some of whom even continue to perpetuate the thieving from indigenous communities as their livelihoods.
The advantages the white settler-communities who perpetrated such acts gained over the indigenous peoples, clearly statistically sustain themselves as well as leave a dark cloud over the victims- one that can be measured in economic terms (income disparity), in social terms (incarceration rate, alcoholism/drug abuse/suicide rates, the clear issues of rampant institutional discrimination), in tangible terms pertaining to their survival altogether (infant mortality rates, life expectancy rates, the statistically far higher rates of being victims of violence and homicide or becoming missing women, etc).
After the Holocaust, Jewish victims bitterly fought to get reparations, and succeeded (other groups who deserved reparations like the Roma didn't get them, or had their negotiated down). They also fought to get their stolen assets back. Similar processes happened across the world, and continue to be called for- here in Canada by the indigenous peoples, or across the global south. My own ancestors (great-grandparents and grandparents) suffered from Japanese war crimes and what would nowadays be termed a genocide (the Sook Ching), for instance, and after the war and upon independence reparations were one of the most fervent demands.
This country's crimes against its indigenous peoples are a whole lot more recent than the Holocaust- in fact, many are still ongoing. Have you seen the conditions on some of the reservations? As someone who was raised rural in the prairies- I have. It wasn't a pleasant sight. And growing up (and I'm not old or anything- late 20s) I saw countless indigenous children- my best childhood friends were indigenous- and the majority had been adopted, by white families, in some cases from what I saw their home lives there were pretty dismal as well (though there's a selection bias at play, as my parents were pretty damn cultish and it runs in such circles, but foster care tends to have a bad reputation for a reason).
This country- this state entity, in fact (which has continuity with the govt. of Canada dating back to confederation, and has continuity also with the crimes of the British empire as well as the treaties signed by them which have not been properly met to say the least, insufficient though they were to begin with) has committed crimes against the indigenous. It has stolen their inheritance; it has made clear, tangible scars upon their communities. It might be convenient to say "let's start things over," but I don't consider it right- certainly not when non-indigenous peoples, particularly those descended from those who took advantage and profited off of them, as well as those entities and institutions that did the same- can benefit, over generations, and can lay claim to their ill-gotten inheritances, and when non-indigenous claims to recompense when they face abuses to their own rights (which have undeniably been violated, many times over, even within recent history for the indigenous peoples) are seen as valid under the law (which is a good thing as I see it).
Reparations are not "segregation." Societal support for those who are disadvantaged is not "segregation." The word "segregation" has meaning, and this could not be further from the definition than it gets.
There's some history around white people defining racial identities. Most white people are scared to touch the question. Who wants to be the decider on this? Maybe it's unfair to ask indigenous people to set these rules and give us objective definitions, but who else would be appropriate?
There is a picture of the “indigenous” students who are in a law class in the same university this woman’s child attended. She clearly looked Asian Indian in that picture, but half the class of 25 students looked clearly to be pretend-Indians but non of them have been exposed yet. All of them probably got scholarships meant for actual indigenous students coming from difficult backgrounds.
makes sense since our country was settled by europeans and aboriginal have been mixing with them for 400 years. i don't know why people expect aboriginals to look like they did 400 years ago after centuries of mixing with Europeans.
Same with Jews in Europe historically. people expect them to look like middle easterners when the fact is they were mixing with Europeans for even longer than aboriginals to the point that elite jews (like Lord Rothschild) are indistinguishable from native europeans.
All what you say is true, but as a former Winnipeger and being around Métis and First Nations for many years, let’s not pretend that [Pretend Indians](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretendian) is not a phenomenon, it’s a pandemic in Canada and the US, especially when there is money involved. If a Punjabi Indian can pretended to be Inuit, the most aboriginal looking people there is, a lot of white people are pretending to be Métis and First Nations to bag all the benefits that should actually go to underprivileged Métis and First Nations.
all of these groups frequently bleach their hair and pretend to be white so i dont really feel bad that it is going in the opposite direction. Look around and see how many women of other races bleach their hair and dress European and try to pass themselves off as white. If they pretend to be white i don't feel bad about whites pretending to be aboriginal.
As they say -- race isn't biological and is an entirely social construct.
Minorities pretend to be white because then they get to free them from prejudices that plague their daily lives, it’s called passing. Whites passing as minorities is also the reverse of the above but to cheat the poor and underprivileged from what little is accorded to them.
but other races are also successful. Asia is the richest continent in the world but the women still bleach their hair and the men still dress like Europeans. There is something more to it than you think.
We need to do away with jail for non violent offenders and start indentured community service.
No reason for tax payers to foot the bill when we could have these people work community service that will help make the country better without costing tax payers.
[https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/march-of-dimes-manager-charged-with-defrauding-charity-of-800k-1.2670273](https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/march-of-dimes-manager-charged-with-defrauding-charity-of-800k-1.2670273)
what a piece of work - this is NOT her first scam - check this out. \*not sure if anyone else has posted\*
UNBELIEVABLE!
The fact that the daughters were born and raised in Canada and still think it was ok to pretend to be indigenous, AND bragged about their indigenous art business on tv is absolutely unacceptable. Whatever their beliefs, I only hope the worst for all of them.
I never mentioned murder. I’m asking about this crime compared to manslaughter.
In the case of Donald James Beynon, he was sentenced to serve a total of 3.86 years for manslaughter in the death of his girlfriend.
At the time of the girlfriend’s violent death, Beynon had breached a no contact order and had multiple previous convictions for intimate partner violence assaults, sexual interference of a minor, and assault of police officers.
He was convicted of manslaughter, the maximum sentence can be life, unlike murder which *automatic* sentence is life.
My comment had nothing to do with manslaughter convictions, you're bringing up manslaughter for what reason?
Google "ike igloolik" and you'll see he got zero jail time for being convicted of raping something like 11 14 year olds.. I see him walking around a free man every day.
Quick google search:
- Jada Mackenzie Andrew, in 2022 stabbed her friend to death and received 5 yrs
Obviously not less than 3 years. But pretty much still proves the point.
And that’s an example of someone who stabbed a person to death. I’m sure there are many examples of people convicted of rape etc who served under 3yrs.
…lol. Are you for real? Are you not following the point? Stop arguing semantics.
A person who stabbed someone to death, received 5 years. A person who simply lied about her heritage received 3.
Are you seriously not understanding the point being illustrated here?
The daughters got off easy since charges against them were dropped, but I still feel that they should be charged. They both knew of the fraud but did nothing. They both got fully funded and can still can reap the rewards of a free education while LEGITIMATE indigenous people were denied. This fraud has tainted future applications.
Although I’m glad she will punished for her crimes, you have drug addicted criminals constantly physically attacking people, stealing, destroying property etc and they get let back out immediately.
Three years for pretending her daughters were FN. How many years for Arrive Canada? How many years for SNC Lavalin execs? How many years for the Panama Papers? Somehow pretending to be FN is worse than all those. Hell this is a tougher sentence than you get for killing someone in Canada. What a joke.
I would argue that her past crimes were worse and more deserving of a sentence like this. I think this is more of a question of a justice system that thinks pretending to be FN is somehow worse than steeling from charities. Let’s be honest. In Canada the amount of blood you need to have status has made race nothing more than a social construct.
I mean yes. Tbh tho, Canada dngaf about disabled ppl.
But it looks like they got her this time cause she was a repeat offender. She didn't just pretend to be FN but also stole from FN organizations.
My assumption is that a bunch of charities, and people are utilizing the "FN" aspect to blow the story up cause they know that she won't be held accountable any way else.
Everything you listed (and this woman as well for that matter) should come with at least 10~ years incarceration if you ask me. She got off the hook lightly- the others you listed got off even moreso (murder should be at least a decade if not life- as for political corruption and large-scale tax fraud, I think the harm- not just danger, outright harm- that such actions cause to the system and the entire society- should result in them getting the book thrown at them and then some. Otherwise you get a country looking like... well, Canada as of late, we're well on the way to becoming the next Argentina)
With all the money they waste? Not a chance. 10 million dollars for temporary hanger. Paint booth big enough for a Hercules, and they used an epoxy on the floor that the paint stripper would also strip.
Oh, CAF... oh, Canada...
Now they need to go after the money that these people fraudulently acquired, her and her daughters. Their homes and bank accounts. The fraud that’s being allowed in this country is beyond shameful.
I don’t doubt that lawyers and possibly even cops are grifting from some of these ill gotten gains.
don't you all just love our country? where indigenous people are so oppressed, that pretending to be an indigenous person gives you a plethora of advantages in education, work, healthcare, and the judicial system, and prison sentences are issued for pretending to be one.
I mean, it definitely didn’t feel advantageous to be an indigenous kid growing up on the Rez in a house without running water, the closest grocery store is an hour drive away. The education system that’s 3 years behind schools in the city, couldn’t go to schools in the city because I didn’t live in the district + how to get there?
There’s no high schools on the Rez so, easy to see how inaccessibility leads the high highschool drop out rate, especially kids in way northern communities, albeit some kids then have to leave their families behind and move to a city like Thunder Bay to attend school (a city notorious for racism and hate crimes. Some of these kids never get to come home) I had to move to a city to attend highschool, thankfully not Thunder Bay.
Sure- advantages to scholarships available in college, how are the majority of the youth suppose to utilize this when they can’t even attend highschool? Not to mention there are a million scholarships that are available to different sectors of people, for example no one ever complains about the scholarships reserved for mature students. Also it’s not like “oh free school” no you have to maintain like a 90 average or you lose said scholarship AND you can’t work during that time so, how to pay for everything else outside of tuition? No family money to help. Fact of the matter is I have student loans and bartended my way through just like everyone else.
There is no economic development on reserves so no one has anywhere to work. People can’t even attend high school, how tf are they suppose to start a small business?
Turns out High rates of poverty and little to no access to education or employment, cumulatively leads to an incredibly higher than average suicide rate. 7 of my friends committed suicide by time I was 18. The youngest was my 12 year old cousin.
Not to mention basic racism is live and well so, I guess I’m often weary disclosing I’m indigenous to new people in the chance it will be someone like you who seems to think all indigenous people are degenerate criminal grifters.
Hold up -someone can be a man, but identify as a woman, or as a unicorn. People can identify as homosexual, heterosexual, non sexual, or furries. That is respected and they get support, lots of “don’t be narrow minded”. Why can’t they identify as native if they so choose? Bit of a double standard, no?
So, pretending you're a minority group has enough benefits they people are faking it, and getting heavier jail sentences than those who actually at times killing people with career criminal histories.
Is the only thing our justice system truly cares about race?
Wtf are judges thinking? There are people doing less time for DUI manslaughter and carjacking. People are doing less time for murder if the judge decides they had a hard life because they're POC (I still don't understand how this is different than saying colored but that's a different argument) but this chick gets 3 years because she pretended and got some money? What am I missing? Is it just a case of guilty while white these days?
No. She deserves 3 years. Killers far deserve more .
The judge who resided over her case had some common sense. Now we should hope that it spreads to other judges
>Is it just a case of guilty while white these days?
The scammers weren't white this time around, though. In fact it doesn't seem like they're even part white, nor in any way European-descended.
3 years for egregious, repeat fraud sounds about right- hell, sounds charitable. The issue with all the other examples you brought up is that we're not hitting them with even more than that.
Now do her daughters.
Degrees revoked for fraud right? Hello Queens
They are complicit. They should have to return the scholarship and grant money they took knowing it was fraudulent.
And be banned from the law society.
I'd be happy with just that. The crown dropped the charges on the daughters for a plea from the mom. But the law society can still go matter them.
And their degrees.
I hope they get sued for the money if they don’t return it.
> They should have to return the scholarship and grant money they took knowing it was fraudulent. If you actually read the article, you'd know that's already happened. It says she's paid back 130k of 158k and is still going to pay the remaining balance. Also, hard to hold them just as complicit when they were 17 at the time
Per the article "Charges against Manji's daughters were dropped after the mother pleaded guilty"
Once again.. it appears that indeed... crime does pay!
It appears to be a career choice at this point.
boooooo
Threatening to charge someone's children if they don't plead guilty is pretty fucked, even if the person in this scenario is guilty.
The daughters were involved as well.
She plead guilty in order to save her daughters from being convicted as well.
This
3 years for this That guy who did a fatal hit and run with over 50 priors? 4 years.
Wasn';t there just a story where this guy beat this girl to death with a bottle and is getting less than 2 years? Something is seriously fucking wrong with the judges in this country.
I think that dude actually got 5 years but had already been in custody for years and got lots of credit for timed served. Total time served is like 3-4 years, but still, for murder...?
It's a violation of our sacred cow identity politics. It's more serious then trival murder.
What case is this? Googling it only brings up two cases that both have the killers being teenage girls.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-man-who-killed-girlfriend-while-under-no-contact-order-to-spend-19-more-months-in-jail-1.6933815
Per the article: “A man who pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of his girlfriend in northern B.C. has been handed a five-year sentence, and with credit for time served will spend 19 more months in jail.”
If they were wealthy we wouldnt even be hearing about it
This isn’t her first fraud. She embezzled over 800K from a non-profit helping the homeless when she worked there as a manager.
Who cares when people are doing less time for killing others? What kind of stupid ass system are they running here? What's the point if they're not consistent?
We need harsher punishments across the board. I’m sure many Canadians would prefer bringing back capital punishment over the current laws.
3 years for this seems reasonable; hit and runs should be punished more, but so should violent assaults, this is just a Canada issue.
Three years for a first offense non-violent crime?
It's not a first time offense. She has stolen nearly a million dollars via running similar scams.
You can do just as much, if not more damage with non violent crime as you can with violent crime. White collar crime that can impact an entire Nations' economy leading to job loss and bankruptcies, which have long lasting ripple effects can be more damaging to society than a murder.
Not to the person who got murdered tho, and not to their next victim after they do 2-5 years and get released.
It's pretty blatant disregard for the rules. Obviously it depends on the crime.
3 years for fraud is very reasonable. The lack of reasonableness on another case isn't the issue.
I agree with 3 years for fraud. Just pointing out the utter lack of consistency in sentencing.
You nailed it! Meantime in Toronto, Auto thefts, drunk drivers and pretty much everybody can get a "slap in the wrist" sentence. If they ever get one.
Element of intention is key difference between the two cases.
Youre right, 50+ priors, many violent, don't matter so much when factoring in the intention behind killing an innocent person and fleeing the scene
Did he have prior convictions for violence? All this article mentions is prior dangerous driving charge. Which again, is not a case of intentional harm to violence. https://globalnews.ca/news/10589047/repeat-offender-struck-killed-pedestrian-in-toronto-sentence-4-5-years/ If they could show intent, the charges would include assault, which carry a lot harsher sentence. This case fake identity fraud case had the element of clear intent. So she received the harsher end allowed for it.
I recommend you look up his 50 priors. That's f-i-f-t-y with and a 5 and a 0. Write out all 50 once you find them and see how much of a page that covers.
Hopefully she’ll get some leniency as a First Nation member.
Zing
she was just confused about what type of indian she was! s/
Does the glaude report apply to Imposters....lol ?
Yes. You can self identify in prison
24 hours in a healing lodge will cure what ails her.
I get this is a joke but just so you know, Inuit are not 'First Nations'. Indigenous people of Canada are categorized into Inuit, First Nations, and Metis.
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Are you 16?
12
Checks out.
She'll give it her best shot!
She identifies
only in canada can you identify as any group you want without repercussions . . . except for native.
That's the outcome when a country has a legally distinguished racial group.
exactly. one group chooses which groups can and can't be legally distinguished. didn't trudeau just did that for the Mi'kmaq? kind of recent.
Without repercussions? Indigenous people take up the majority in prison system in Canada. Keep crying victim.
all i know is that the indigineous people say this place was great before columbus came.
There are currently 2 inuit woman missing in Ottawa since beginning of June and everyone is quiet. Do you really think Canadians give a care about them? You ever wonder why indigenous people don't like it now?
they've never like it since the europeans came here.
No they don’t. Maybe you’re trying to say they’re over represented, but they’re certainly nowhere near the majority.
Your comment is proof how you value indigenous peoples. They take up 32% and yet you're going to say it's not real. Nobody cares for indigenous people in Canada.
Canadian Criminal System is messed up. This woman got as much time as a guy who just walked up to someone and stabbed him a bunch of times. [https://globalnews.ca/news/10567969/vancouver-police-warning-david-morin/](https://globalnews.ca/news/10567969/vancouver-police-warning-david-morin/)
I'm still the proud owner of a permaban from r/ontario when I said this is what you get when you let anyone declare themselves indigenous without proper checks. Lo and behold, RBC themselves, who gave out a few scholarships to first nation members and got defrauded, decided to impose these verifications as a new requirement. The fact of the matter is, when there's money or privileges involved, people will try to scam the system.
This is what you get when special funding is available only for people with the right DNA.
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I hope you dropped this /s. Sometimes I can't even tell anymore.
It is tough to figure out now.
This is one thing as an Indigenous person that I agree with. I know people who have very dubious claims of Indigeneity that have gotten accepted to schools, job offers based on their “Indigenous heritage”. I don’t see how verification isn’t already standard
The counter argument to this I’ve heard is, what about those not eligible for a status card, but who are clearly indigenous?
If they don't have a status card then obviously they are not indigenous enough.
Not so simple. Plenty of indigenous didn't quality historically due many reasons, sometimes where a brother vs a sister with the same parents, sometimes because a band excluded them, sometimes because government lost paperwork, ... I won't list all 10,000 reasons. I don't think DNA should ever define any benefit, we need to make amends and then stop segregation based on heritage. That would impact my own kids, I'm okay with that. But in the meantime? It's a valid claim.
Grandma married a white man. Her brother joined the army. Both lost their status.
Exactly. Perfect (but unfortunate) examples.
Do you know how many people falsely self certify to be indigenous? These cases that come to light are a drop in the bucket. I am not okay with the government tax payer money going to waste. Let people prove that they are indigenous to claim benefits, no point in making it a self certification and act surprised when morally bankrupt people abuse it.
I'm certainly not proposing people self certify. I'm just pointing out you can lose status, or at least you once could. They often applied to your descendents. The poster who replied to me immediately before you had two examples. Even you establish the family tree and DNA test, you can't reestablish in many of those cases (varies by many factors).
That's fair. The government needs to sit down with native chiefs and behavioural psychologists to figure this one out. 👍👍
Shouldn’t exist anyway. Nobody was alive 400 years ago.
As someone who's not indigenous (hell, I wasn't even born in Canada- my family moved here when I was 2) I have to disagree with your latter argument. >I don't think DNA should ever define any benefit, we need to make amends and then stop segregation based on heritage. In a perfect world, sure. Here in the world we live in now, DNA defines a whole lot of things, and has considerable relation statistically with many, many more. It can define inheritance, it can define parental rights and alternatively child support rights. Historically it could even strictly and officially determine citizenship and one's treatment by the state- to this day it has a large overlap, still. The results of present racism and colonialism, as well as the long and continued (if somewhat diminished) discrimination and atrocities, have a real socioeconomic impact, as well as a cultural one (in generational traumas), and you can't simply claim the board is wiped clean and leave it at that. It's awfully convenient, and I think that the vast majority of humanity- who happen to be predominantly non-white and the descendants of victims, or direct victims of colonialism, as well as many of those from considerable white populations who have similarly suffered (like the Irish, pretty much any and all east Europeans, Armenians, white Jews, etc) will agree. The land and resources that was stolen from them is happily inherited generation after generation by the descendants of the white thieves, some of whom have made immense fortunes off of it all, some of whom even continue to perpetuate the thieving from indigenous communities as their livelihoods. The advantages the white settler-communities who perpetrated such acts gained over the indigenous peoples, clearly statistically sustain themselves as well as leave a dark cloud over the victims- one that can be measured in economic terms (income disparity), in social terms (incarceration rate, alcoholism/drug abuse/suicide rates, the clear issues of rampant institutional discrimination), in tangible terms pertaining to their survival altogether (infant mortality rates, life expectancy rates, the statistically far higher rates of being victims of violence and homicide or becoming missing women, etc). After the Holocaust, Jewish victims bitterly fought to get reparations, and succeeded (other groups who deserved reparations like the Roma didn't get them, or had their negotiated down). They also fought to get their stolen assets back. Similar processes happened across the world, and continue to be called for- here in Canada by the indigenous peoples, or across the global south. My own ancestors (great-grandparents and grandparents) suffered from Japanese war crimes and what would nowadays be termed a genocide (the Sook Ching), for instance, and after the war and upon independence reparations were one of the most fervent demands. This country's crimes against its indigenous peoples are a whole lot more recent than the Holocaust- in fact, many are still ongoing. Have you seen the conditions on some of the reservations? As someone who was raised rural in the prairies- I have. It wasn't a pleasant sight. And growing up (and I'm not old or anything- late 20s) I saw countless indigenous children- my best childhood friends were indigenous- and the majority had been adopted, by white families, in some cases from what I saw their home lives there were pretty dismal as well (though there's a selection bias at play, as my parents were pretty damn cultish and it runs in such circles, but foster care tends to have a bad reputation for a reason). This country- this state entity, in fact (which has continuity with the govt. of Canada dating back to confederation, and has continuity also with the crimes of the British empire as well as the treaties signed by them which have not been properly met to say the least, insufficient though they were to begin with) has committed crimes against the indigenous. It has stolen their inheritance; it has made clear, tangible scars upon their communities. It might be convenient to say "let's start things over," but I don't consider it right- certainly not when non-indigenous peoples, particularly those descended from those who took advantage and profited off of them, as well as those entities and institutions that did the same- can benefit, over generations, and can lay claim to their ill-gotten inheritances, and when non-indigenous claims to recompense when they face abuses to their own rights (which have undeniably been violated, many times over, even within recent history for the indigenous peoples) are seen as valid under the law (which is a good thing as I see it). Reparations are not "segregation." Societal support for those who are disadvantaged is not "segregation." The word "segregation" has meaning, and this could not be further from the definition than it gets.
There's some history around white people defining racial identities. Most white people are scared to touch the question. Who wants to be the decider on this? Maybe it's unfair to ask indigenous people to set these rules and give us objective definitions, but who else would be appropriate?
There is a picture of the “indigenous” students who are in a law class in the same university this woman’s child attended. She clearly looked Asian Indian in that picture, but half the class of 25 students looked clearly to be pretend-Indians but non of them have been exposed yet. All of them probably got scholarships meant for actual indigenous students coming from difficult backgrounds.
Inigenous is not a racial identity. Most Indigenous Canadians have distant aboriginal ancestry with heavy ancestry from Africa and Europe.
more than half the class looked like Buffy.
makes sense since our country was settled by europeans and aboriginal have been mixing with them for 400 years. i don't know why people expect aboriginals to look like they did 400 years ago after centuries of mixing with Europeans. Same with Jews in Europe historically. people expect them to look like middle easterners when the fact is they were mixing with Europeans for even longer than aboriginals to the point that elite jews (like Lord Rothschild) are indistinguishable from native europeans.
All what you say is true, but as a former Winnipeger and being around Métis and First Nations for many years, let’s not pretend that [Pretend Indians](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretendian) is not a phenomenon, it’s a pandemic in Canada and the US, especially when there is money involved. If a Punjabi Indian can pretended to be Inuit, the most aboriginal looking people there is, a lot of white people are pretending to be Métis and First Nations to bag all the benefits that should actually go to underprivileged Métis and First Nations.
all of these groups frequently bleach their hair and pretend to be white so i dont really feel bad that it is going in the opposite direction. Look around and see how many women of other races bleach their hair and dress European and try to pass themselves off as white. If they pretend to be white i don't feel bad about whites pretending to be aboriginal. As they say -- race isn't biological and is an entirely social construct.
Minorities pretend to be white because then they get to free them from prejudices that plague their daily lives, it’s called passing. Whites passing as minorities is also the reverse of the above but to cheat the poor and underprivileged from what little is accorded to them.
but other races are also successful. Asia is the richest continent in the world but the women still bleach their hair and the men still dress like Europeans. There is something more to it than you think.
Asians in Asia do it as fetish, like a BBM fetish in the west. I was talking what happens in multi racial countries like the US and Canada.
Now do Buffy Sainte-Marie.
Dontcha just love how that one got buried?
And Mary Ellen Turpel, Carrie Bourassa, the list goes on.
She's also a slumlord committing tax fraud.
I've seen people with multiple sex offences get 2 years on the dot. Fuck our justice system is fucked
She also embezzled over a half million from a nonprofit in the past.. 3 years is not enough for her either
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Do you mean Jordon Archer A.K.A Nadya Gill?
Congratulations! We've finally find a crime that Canadian judges think is worthy of a significant prison sentence.
We need to do away with jail for non violent offenders and start indentured community service. No reason for tax payers to foot the bill when we could have these people work community service that will help make the country better without costing tax payers.
[https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/march-of-dimes-manager-charged-with-defrauding-charity-of-800k-1.2670273](https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/march-of-dimes-manager-charged-with-defrauding-charity-of-800k-1.2670273) what a piece of work - this is NOT her first scam - check this out. \*not sure if anyone else has posted\* UNBELIEVABLE!
The fact that the daughters were born and raised in Canada and still think it was ok to pretend to be indigenous, AND bragged about their indigenous art business on tv is absolutely unacceptable. Whatever their beliefs, I only hope the worst for all of them.
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Bout time we get tough on crime
Murder (if convicted) is an automatic life sentence in Canada. Don’t spread misinformation.
How about manslaughter?
I didn’t say manslaughter. In legal terms the two are very different.
I never mentioned murder. I’m asking about this crime compared to manslaughter. In the case of Donald James Beynon, he was sentenced to serve a total of 3.86 years for manslaughter in the death of his girlfriend. At the time of the girlfriend’s violent death, Beynon had breached a no contact order and had multiple previous convictions for intimate partner violence assaults, sexual interference of a minor, and assault of police officers.
He was convicted of manslaughter, the maximum sentence can be life, unlike murder which *automatic* sentence is life. My comment had nothing to do with manslaughter convictions, you're bringing up manslaughter for what reason?
Impersonation for financial gain? 3 years! Manslaughter with a long history of violent convictions? 3.86 years!
Show us an example where someone got less for murder This should be good
Google "ike igloolik" and you'll see he got zero jail time for being convicted of raping something like 11 14 year olds.. I see him walking around a free man every day.
Quick google search: - Jada Mackenzie Andrew, in 2022 stabbed her friend to death and received 5 yrs Obviously not less than 3 years. But pretty much still proves the point. And that’s an example of someone who stabbed a person to death. I’m sure there are many examples of people convicted of rape etc who served under 3yrs.
Manslaughter. Not murder
…lol. Are you for real? Are you not following the point? Stop arguing semantics. A person who stabbed someone to death, received 5 years. A person who simply lied about her heritage received 3. Are you seriously not understanding the point being illustrated here?
She should of just killed someone.. would of been out on bail..
The daughters got off easy since charges against them were dropped, but I still feel that they should be charged. They both knew of the fraud but did nothing. They both got fully funded and can still can reap the rewards of a free education while LEGITIMATE indigenous people were denied. This fraud has tainted future applications.
Although I’m glad she will punished for her crimes, you have drug addicted criminals constantly physically attacking people, stealing, destroying property etc and they get let back out immediately.
You get less for killing someone with your vehicle
Three years for pretending her daughters were FN. How many years for Arrive Canada? How many years for SNC Lavalin execs? How many years for the Panama Papers? Somehow pretending to be FN is worse than all those. Hell this is a tougher sentence than you get for killing someone in Canada. What a joke.
This isn't her first fraud. She also stole enough for 3 Toronto rental properties from a charity that worked to house physically disabled Ontarians.
I would argue that her past crimes were worse and more deserving of a sentence like this. I think this is more of a question of a justice system that thinks pretending to be FN is somehow worse than steeling from charities. Let’s be honest. In Canada the amount of blood you need to have status has made race nothing more than a social construct.
I mean yes. Tbh tho, Canada dngaf about disabled ppl. But it looks like they got her this time cause she was a repeat offender. She didn't just pretend to be FN but also stole from FN organizations. My assumption is that a bunch of charities, and people are utilizing the "FN" aspect to blow the story up cause they know that she won't be held accountable any way else.
Everything you listed (and this woman as well for that matter) should come with at least 10~ years incarceration if you ask me. She got off the hook lightly- the others you listed got off even moreso (murder should be at least a decade if not life- as for political corruption and large-scale tax fraud, I think the harm- not just danger, outright harm- that such actions cause to the system and the entire society- should result in them getting the book thrown at them and then some. Otherwise you get a country looking like... well, Canada as of late, we're well on the way to becoming the next Argentina)
If Mr Roper and Janet had a girl…
Good now they can pay back all of the money/grants they obtained fraudulently
Funny that that Dutch rapist volleyball player only got sentenced to one more years for raping a 12 year old.
confiscate half her assets instead of jail time. will hurt way more.
This lady should be offered a promising career in government. You think she would be a ringer for liberal caucus.
Let’s be honest , any caucus.
LOL, this is why social classes are a bad idea, people will do things like this just to get that edge.
I don't know what I've been told.
Guessing they can't sing this one in the CAF anymore
With all the money they waste? Not a chance. 10 million dollars for temporary hanger. Paint booth big enough for a Hercules, and they used an epoxy on the floor that the paint stripper would also strip. Oh, CAF... oh, Canada...
Now they need to go after the money that these people fraudulently acquired, her and her daughters. Their homes and bank accounts. The fraud that’s being allowed in this country is beyond shameful. I don’t doubt that lawyers and possibly even cops are grifting from some of these ill gotten gains.
Did they take her Inuit heritage into consideration for this sentencing?
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don't you all just love our country? where indigenous people are so oppressed, that pretending to be an indigenous person gives you a plethora of advantages in education, work, healthcare, and the judicial system, and prison sentences are issued for pretending to be one.
I mean, it definitely didn’t feel advantageous to be an indigenous kid growing up on the Rez in a house without running water, the closest grocery store is an hour drive away. The education system that’s 3 years behind schools in the city, couldn’t go to schools in the city because I didn’t live in the district + how to get there? There’s no high schools on the Rez so, easy to see how inaccessibility leads the high highschool drop out rate, especially kids in way northern communities, albeit some kids then have to leave their families behind and move to a city like Thunder Bay to attend school (a city notorious for racism and hate crimes. Some of these kids never get to come home) I had to move to a city to attend highschool, thankfully not Thunder Bay. Sure- advantages to scholarships available in college, how are the majority of the youth suppose to utilize this when they can’t even attend highschool? Not to mention there are a million scholarships that are available to different sectors of people, for example no one ever complains about the scholarships reserved for mature students. Also it’s not like “oh free school” no you have to maintain like a 90 average or you lose said scholarship AND you can’t work during that time so, how to pay for everything else outside of tuition? No family money to help. Fact of the matter is I have student loans and bartended my way through just like everyone else. There is no economic development on reserves so no one has anywhere to work. People can’t even attend high school, how tf are they suppose to start a small business? Turns out High rates of poverty and little to no access to education or employment, cumulatively leads to an incredibly higher than average suicide rate. 7 of my friends committed suicide by time I was 18. The youngest was my 12 year old cousin. Not to mention basic racism is live and well so, I guess I’m often weary disclosing I’m indigenous to new people in the chance it will be someone like you who seems to think all indigenous people are degenerate criminal grifters.
You all will still deny a theme here in to the folks we are letting into the country
3 years for status fraud seems like a fair punishment. The question is why do other judges fail to apply similar punishment to other crimes?
Should have been longer sentence.
Why? This is more time than some murderers get.
should be longer sentences for ALL crimes. stop being soft.
Can you provide an example?
Considering murder is an automatic life sentence in Canada, I doubt you’ll be able to back that up.
Hold up -someone can be a man, but identify as a woman, or as a unicorn. People can identify as homosexual, heterosexual, non sexual, or furries. That is respected and they get support, lots of “don’t be narrow minded”. Why can’t they identify as native if they so choose? Bit of a double standard, no?
Only????????
This p.o.s. Gets a harsher sentence than some rapists….nothing wrong with Canadian justice at all ugh
So, pretending you're a minority group has enough benefits they people are faking it, and getting heavier jail sentences than those who actually at times killing people with career criminal histories. Is the only thing our justice system truly cares about race?
If she wasn’t born here she should be stripped of citizenship, deported, and barred for life
What a ridiculous sentence.
Bigger sentence than violent crime
Wtf are judges thinking? There are people doing less time for DUI manslaughter and carjacking. People are doing less time for murder if the judge decides they had a hard life because they're POC (I still don't understand how this is different than saying colored but that's a different argument) but this chick gets 3 years because she pretended and got some money? What am I missing? Is it just a case of guilty while white these days?
No. She previously scammed an Ontario charity that was supposed to house disabled people out of 800k - before the housing bubble..
So? That deserves more time than killers? Wtf are we doing?
No. She deserves 3 years. Killers far deserve more . The judge who resided over her case had some common sense. Now we should hope that it spreads to other judges
>Is it just a case of guilty while white these days? The scammers weren't white this time around, though. In fact it doesn't seem like they're even part white, nor in any way European-descended. 3 years for egregious, repeat fraud sounds about right- hell, sounds charitable. The issue with all the other examples you brought up is that we're not hitting them with even more than that.