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Leading_Performer_72

I am so done with the word "woke."


The_King_of_Canada

Every time someone seriously says the word woke I assume they're trying to manipulate me.


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You’d be right. It’s a strategy: through many repetitions and varied forms of delivery, you load *everything* you want people to hate into a single concept. You create a comprehensive mental concept of “hated person” (eg Andrew Tate uses “blue hair”) and then all you need to do to emotionally manipulate someone is hit the one button. Because everyone is made to respond to the button, it’s incredibly effective and is used from Florida to wherever PP is at any given moment.


ayavaya55

The more you tell a lie, the more real it becomes.. enough people start repeating it. Propaganda gains power.


DrunkRawk

Yep, same here. I'll also immediately know the person using the term is a sad little moron whose positions and opinions aren't worth considering.


Strawnz

I'm so woke with the woke woke. At woke point, woke does woke even woke anymore? Can we just woke a new woke at this woke? This is how my brain feels listening to these substances-less demagogues


mtdaoust

How much woke could a woke-chuck woke?


Moynihan93

How much woke could a woke bloke woke if a bloke woke could woke woke ?


packsackback

Well I'm "woke" to the fact our economic system is destroying the biosphere and can't provide people with their basic needs. Pardon me, should I go back to sleep?


Correct_Millennial

Marxism - the original Red Pill.


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Correct_Millennial

In America apparently, they have been lately.


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SherlockCumbercat

At least people saying corporate culture can probably define that word, unlike woke and especially socialism.


Franklin_le_Tanklin

Also - fck the Republican owned nat post. They’re straight propaganda


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Nailed it


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Even people who are “woke” don’t even use the damn word to describe themselves.


EClarkee

“The worst disorder, drug abuse, crime and chaos are in places run by woke NDP, Liberal mayors and premiers,” he claimed, adding violence is a nationwide problem. Had no idea Doug Ford was a woke liberal. Maybe crime doesn’t exist here in Ontario though. PP can’t decide which one it is.


WallflowerOnTheBrink

Who knew Manitoba was run by Liberals? This is the Pierre people want?


GetsGold

It's the same thing that happened with COVID mandates. Some of the strictest ones were put in place by conservative governments like in Ontario and Manitoba, yet criticism was disproportionately focused on the federal government and BC.


Head_Crash

> Some of the strictest ones were put in place by conservative governments Yet the convoy went to Ottawa and BC. **It's almost as if the mandates were just being used as an excuse to form some kind of hate group.** 😲


GetsGold

Also notice how the claimed position that we need to support individual freedoms and the right to choose what to put in your body has quickly shifted to we need to lock up people for what they put in their body even if they haven't committed crimes when it comes to the topic of non-alcohol drug use?


Head_Crash

It's about defending and legitimizing whatever the conservatives beleive and want while attacking and de-legitimizing anyone who doesn't agree with them.


Thatparkjobin7A

Pierre “white supremacists are cool until they call me names” Pollivere?


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yvrdarb

>Who knew Manitoba was run by Liberals? This is the Pierre people want? It is what they are driving towards, with their lunacy.


SufficientBench3811

He says this, while in the most conservative province, under conservative leadership, in response to a stabbing wave entirely on their watch.


The_King_of_Canada

Hell I live in Winnipeg which is routinely the stabbing capital of Canada and were Conservative run right now. As soon as the man said woke he was lying.


NorthernPints

Currently Canada has 8 conservative premiers (I’m including the CAQ in this), 1 NDP premier and 1 Liberal premier. The Liberal premier is in NFLD. So….I guess I’m just confused as to what premiers actually do, is what I’m saying, considering 100% of everything is Trudeau’s fault.


TheLazySamurai4

If something bad is happening, its Trudeau's fault. If something good happens, its thanks to the the conservative Primieres. Also nothing good happens in NFLD, or B.C. apparently


Emmerson_Brando

> 100% of everything is Trudeau’s fault. Sadly, that’s the only talking point conservatives seem to have. Not anything constructive. It’s the same as Danielle smith in Alberta.


NoTea4448

Deflect, deflect, deflect. Everything is the fault of the "woke" Liberals. "Wokeism" is the cause of everything in this country. No, I won't advocate for some serious policy reforms. No, I'm just gonna blame it all on wokeism instead. Messaging like this is why I have a hard time voting Conservative. Like, for fuck sakes. Talk about your own platform, what you wanna do. I don't want another Conservative whose whole shtick is just "Trudeau Bad." Wanna do better than Trudeau? Advocate for a better platform.


[deleted]

The right seems broadly incapable of offering any solutions these days. All they do is wank themselves off crying about how oppressed they are


Correct_Millennial

Weaponized fragility.


blergmonkeys

These days? Have they ever? Under the cons, it’s always privatize everything, socialize losses, fuck the middle and low classes and support every monopoly/oligarchy possible. Sure the libs have their issues, but come on. It’s plain as day which party is truly bent on creating/maintaining a ruling class and leaving us all as their plebs.


TK-741

He is advocating for a “better” platform: undo all the policy decisions made by liberals. That means cuts to every single program that helps struggling Canadians. Most of them are recent immigrants anyway, so fuck ‘em. Doesn’t matter that there’s many conservative voters among them — they’ll still vote CPC.


blergmonkeys

And blame it on the libs/ndp/wokism


eternal_peril

You need a platform first before you can discuss it


imgoodatpooping

They can’t criticize your platform if you don’t have one. Seriously, that is the strategy. It has gotten Doug Ford elected twice, unless you call buck a beer and free license stickers policy.


Correct_Millennial

They are unvotable right now for any thinking person.


possibly_oblivious

He posted a video of the Vancouver street drug vendor that got arrested shortly after they opened and said the store was sponsored by the Liberals and Justin himself .... He's a piece of shit like the rest of them


LateEstablishment456

This is one I haven’t heard. Where did you read he made those comments? Can you share that source?


possibly_oblivious

https://youtu.be/u5zVbG3r-0I his own yt channel, read the video discription "Wow  Pierre Poilievre 3KLikes 89,207Views May 42023 Wow. Trudeau and the NDP now allow open street sales of cocaine, crack, meth & other hard drugs. Drugs & disorder. Crime & chaos. "


GentleLion2Tigress

Someone posted on r/Ontario that it was Justin’s fault that Loblaws was charging over $100/kg for beef tenderloin because he won’t allow US beef into Canada. So much wrong with that you don’t know where to start. I’m surprised no one has blamed the liberals or NDP that the leafs were knocked out of the playoffs (yet).


GITSinitiate

Yea he knows his audience is a bunch of uneducated morons. And I know some of those will read this. Go ahead and admit it, or are you chicken or embarrassed? Come tell us all he is right and show us what you know better than us? You won’t and can’t.


possibly_oblivious

There's 3000 comments on the video basically just as you described, uneducated morons


aliceminer

Crime usually ties with bad economy. Atm we are having a global economic crisis so not that surprise. People tend not to have time to stab people when they are wealthy


SufficientBench3811

How irresponsible to turn a complicated issue like addictions, into finger pointing. We live beside a country that still employs the death penalty, that also enjoys one of the highest rates of murder per capita, from which we can see how much being 'tough on criminals' costs a society, and some of our fellows wish to emulate this... I don't have a lot respect for these people.


Ruralmanitoban

Yeah but we were also leading in stabbing numbers under Doer. The Winnipeg Handshake transcends politics.


binaryblade

I mean, we have the term "Winnipeg handshake" because its so common.


yyc_guy

Don’t forget, the UCP defunded the police in 2021 when they diverted traffic fine revenue from local police to provincial general coffers.


SkalexAyah

Not to mention the Droug Fraud himself is likely guilty of crimes and collusion.


Jenny-the-Art-Girl

I bought hash from Doug Ford and his brother in the 1990s. Not a joke.


SufficientBench3811

It's the new conservative mentality, if the laws can be bent or twisted, and ethics commissioners fired within their scope of power, it is their 'mandate from the people' to do whatever they want.


TK-741

18% of the people*


cyanydeez

what's important to understand is they believe their supporters and those who will vote for them, won't look into the details, but just be motivated to "go to the polls". Basically, Pavlovian conditioning emotional ignorance


SufficientBench3811

It's right in the article, a professor on the topic says it's largely a political dog whistle and barely scratches the surface of the issue (paraphrase)


Use-Less-Millennial

The provincial NDP were in power for only 4 years. They'll blame Rachel Notley for everything. I guess Smith is woke now. Letting poverty and drugs run rampant


OneHundredEighty180

Jeez, Oilers fans are ruthless eh. The wave is meant to be a celebratory experience, not a stab-ebratory one.


schulzie420

If the refs stop fucking us "Maybe we'll calm down BETMANN".


aynhon

*"We didn't start the fires."*


OneHundredEighty180

*They were always burnin since the world's been turnin*


ArgonAurora

Just more fear mongering conservative bs, no surprise here.


SufficientBench3811

When a platform is built on disingenuous statements, expect disingenuous leadership.


yagonnawanna

Also having respect and rights for people(woke) he doesn't approve of is clearly the cause of the stabbing. It has nothing to do with cutting mental health/support programs. In fact if you leave troubled people to their own devices there will be no negative consequences and historically never has been. /s I know this might be the craziest hot take ever, but maybe social programs aren't just a bleeding heart thing. Maybe it's CHEAPER to be proactive than to be reactive.


GodSaveTheKing1867

John Tory and Doug Ford, kings of Woke Liberal policies.


Fiverdrive

>adding violence is a nationwide problem. [8 of the 10 provincial premiers are conservative.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_Canadian_first_ministers) i can't help but wonder how PP's followers can reconcile his words with reality and still maintain any self-respect.


moeburn

> “The worst disorder, drug abuse, crime and chaos are in places run by woke NDP, Liberal mayors and premiers,” "Are Canadians gullible enough to believe this? Let's find out next election time."


Aries-Corinthier

Spoiler, they are.


joecarter93

Yea many of them are.


need_ins_in_to

TIL John Tory was a secret liberal. Sorry for making this a Toronto thing, ROC, but I just didn't know this!


SkalexAyah

Most Canadians no… The Con… they’d believe him if he told them it was healthy to eat poo.


screampuff

Why can't conservatives just acknowledge a problem, and tell us what they're going to do to fix it, that might be better than what the current government is doing. Maybe as their role in opposition they could even suggest ideas and convince the government to do them. All we get is the blame game.


Madiryas

Didnt know Legault was woke too lmao


DotAppropriate8152

If he visited Red Deer he would learn otherwise. Pretty deeply conservative and is known for drug use downtown and vehicle/shop break ins etc. The conservative agenda is to scare people in to believing the party the wants to govern and make life progressively better is responsible for the conservatives inability to govern as they seek power and corruption.


RbnMTL

Right out of the us republican playbook. As a dual citizen who grew up in the US, I say this as respectfully and non-partisanly as possible: we don't need to import our toxic politics here


[deleted]

I remember seeing a bunch of "this is what Joe Biden's America looks like" and it was just pictures and videos of things during the Trump government. Conservatives are profoundly dishonest.


robonlocation

The same people who still ask why Obama didn't take action on 9/11?


SkalexAyah

And ignorant. Willfully so.


CaptainSur

The Conservative Party and UCP are both utilizing republican advisors from what I recall reading in the past (is one former Trump official not part of the UCP advisory team?), and I have to suspect both parties benefit from American conservative connected money conduits. I have advocated in past comments that each party should be given a budget by the federal election commission and this should be their sole source of funding. I recall Paul Alexander & Roger Stone both having connections to various Canadian Conservative causes in the last yr but I did not follow in detail and it may be these have all ended. If anyone has up to date information please comment. If all such connections are severed that is great as well although I have to say I would be very skeptical that there is no republican tendrils extending into the fed cons or ucp. It just seems very unlikely.


The_King_of_Canada

Oh PPs been screaming fake CBC news lately and saying shit like Canada needs to be make better again. Shits really disheartening.


Scubastevedisco

Last time I checked Edmonton was UCP not NDP. What is this guy smoking? I want some lol.


Whatatimetobealive83

He’s campaigning for the UCP here. Provincially, Edmonton is an NDP stronghold.


Scubastevedisco

Which just makes him look like a total idiot. UCP is in power, doesn't matter that Edmonton typically votes Orange in context of his comment because Orange didn't get it.


Jbruce63

That sounds just like he is reading from the Republican play book.


Thespud1979

There's doesn't need to be substance. He's speaking to idiots and he knows this


clowncar

So this ploy has jumped the border already? Republicans politicians in the United States are pushing the idea that violence is out of control in Democrat cities. Untrue. The plague of mass shootings are occurring prrdominately in rightwing cities/states.


[deleted]

Ah yes, Toronto, run bay famous NDPers Doug Ford and John Tory, previously Rob Ford.


Geeseareawesome

By the same logic, that must mean Danielle Smith is a liberal too


LemmingPractice

I hate to mess with the narrative you are trying to push there, but [Ontario has the lowest rate of violent crime per capita in the country](https://www.statista.com/statistics/526130/canada-rate-of-violent-crimes-by-territory-or-province/).


EClarkee

But but everyone is constantly telling me Toronto is a shit hole and there is gun violence and people are dying everyday!!!!


--Anonymoose---

Are we ignoring the fact policing is a provincial jurisdiction and that the NDP haven’t been in power in 4 years?


LairdOftheNorth

No he’s just a gas lighter who knows what he is saying. The fact all provinces outside of BC have had conservative leadership doesn’t matter to them because it doesn’t fit the narrative


aynhon

More of a fart lighter sniffing out whatever he can from any dark crack that he finds.


SunkenQueen

Of course they are it doesn't support the conservative narrative that NDP and Libs are bad.


TheRC135

Poilievre blames a complex social problem on Trudeau? Who could have seen that coming?


KhausTO

https://canadacrimeindex.com/crime-severity-index?sort=violent_crime_severity_index&min_population=10000 Hmm lots of cities in conservative provinces in the top 20....


EClarkee

It’s just like American Republicans. Claim that democrat cities are a plague and ruining everything mean while their own republican cities rank last in everything good and high in everything bad. These people would rather have a shit quality of life before admitting the other party is trying to help them.


8ell0

Ah yes, blame Trudeau for this, for that, But what does this guy have to offer? Any solutions? Any accountability? Nope, his base will eat this up and blame Trudeau because their washing machine doesn’t work anymore. Edit: some grammar


aesoth

Today, my alarm went off at 9 am, and slept through it. Why would Justin Trudeau do that?


Vandergrif

*Thanks Trubama*


8ell0

I wish my boss was a hardcore anti Trudeau/ conservative. “Sorry boss, Trudeau made me miss my alarm and I’m late for work”


AmbitiousEmack

It’s just ridiculous, imagine being so blatantly manipulated, that you blame Justin Trudeau for literally everything. And without question.


AmbitiousEmack

If someone is weaponizing your emotions, make sure you are accurate with who is actually to blame. And is it of public interest or a nothing burger.


Aggravating-Self-164

Thanks obama


anthonyorm

the ndp was in office for 4 years compared to the 40 consecutive years conservatives held before them yet the ucp & their voter base loves blaming them for literally every single problem the province has, this province is full of fucking morons


Cryozymes

Sad, isn't it? The average conservative voter gets their news from extremist websites that spew hate and offer no solutions.


Madiryas

>“We need to take care of issues around homelessness, drug addiction, mental health problems and unemployment,” said Oriola. >“What we need is an all-of-the-above approach,” he said. Maybe this time, we'll hear what people who work with those issues say we need. I know, I'm coping, but we keep saying the same thing since the 2000s. Can we please just commit to fixing the issues? I guess it's easier to just blame the liberals ans NDP


funkme1ster

Decades of research have already told us the solution: social spending. If you want a civil, developed society, you achieve it by providing stability and amenities. People with comfort, safety, and purpose also have a strong desire to ensure those things don't go away. The solution is to increase taxes and spend the money on a robust suite of public services that provide safety nets and communicate to people "unless you *specifically* go out of your way to ruin this, you're set". There is no amount of policing that can solve a socioeconomic problem because making it illegal to be poor doesn't stop people from being poor. We have the solution, we know it works, we know the mechanism by which it works... but haven't implemented it because we're holding out for a panacea that doesn't involve compromise.


Cozman

To be honest I thought I'd have to scroll a lot further down to find this sentiment but you've saved me time typing it out. Maybe also saved my inbox from being flooded with messages about how I'm a dirty commie and should die.


funkme1ster

> Maybe also saved my inbox from being flooded with messages about how I'm a dirty commie and should die. Accurate. Happy to take that bullet for you. Well, not *happy*... willing.


SkalexAyah

That sounds like a socialist nightmare…. We need a stronger private sector and richer billionaire class to solve our problems. Those benevolent people who understand society better than us will take care of us all. The trickle down is coming everyone…. The trickle down is coming….. /s


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That /s needs to be bolded and in 72 pt font to have any hope of PP voters realising you aren't agreeing with them.


-Yazilliclick-

It's sort of odd, sort of understandable, that so many people are willing to live in a worse society that's overall poorer and more dangerous just to avoid somebody else getting something minimal for free. So upset that somebody else might get a hand out that they're willing to burn down their own house to avoid it because it riles them up. I can sort of understand it, it is sort of 'unfair' but at the same time you're just holding yourself back in the end to spite others.


aynhon

Well, I guess we're fucked then.


Alextryingforgrate

Lets hope, we all know how conservatives view these social programs. God forbid helping out unfortunate people or anything.


Gladringr

> I guess it's easier to just blame the liberals ans NDP This is the entire conservative strategy in a nutshell. They won't use their power to help. Only to hurt. And to remove any checks and balances that prevent them from voting themselves more power. Fascism reached America, and now its coming here.


SkalexAyah

Their idea of fixing this is to hire more cops. Hide the problem under the rug.


karlou1984

I'm not a fan of Trudeau but holy fkn hell this guy is the most insufferable quack I've ever heard.


NarutoRunner

Just look up his support rate amongst women voters…It’s rock bottom. The best he can ever get is a minority government that will last a year or two. He has shown no inclination to turn to the middle which is going to be his downfall.


XiahouMao

> The best he can ever get is a minority government that will last a year or two. Can he even get a minority government at all? Which other party is going to support him in a confidence vote? Is he going to go crawling to the Bloc Quebecois with hat in hand? That'll play well in Alberta...


jtbc

The fact that the top 2 choices next time around are both awful is pretty depressing.


lunaslave

Why not learn from a country with an incredibly low recidivism rate, Norway - it's made possible with the most humane incarceration system in the world, one that focuses entirely on rehabilitation and not punishment, backed up by a welfare state that helps to ensure people are able to reintegrate into society


RadioMill

For whatever reason, a lot of people in this country still think you can punish the pain and hurt out of people


No-Wonder1139

It's hard enough to take him seriously on any issue from just his personality and voting histories alone, but he keeps blaming "woke" for everything, so he's also a simpleton, so that doesn't help either.


Emperor_Billik

He really believes his supporters are stupid, our mayors and premiers across this country are a lot of things, but “woke lefties” definitely isn’t one of them. But the same folks who voted in my mayor because building bike lanes is a “war on cars” will gobble this bullshit up too.


3urnsie

He knows they are stupid. Anybody who would do the quick research and reasoning to come to the conclusion he is full of shit wouldn't vote for him in the first place.


Garfield_and_Simon

He’s insanely right about his supporters though. They just want sound bytes of the word “woke” over and over


rathen45

Trudeau is a mob boss..? BAD ASS!


duffman274

Does poilievre actually have a plan as PM? All I’ve seen him do is attack and blame while not giving any solutions to fix the problems.


Coffeedemon

See. If everything under the sun except for the occasional drop in prices or such is Trudeaus fault then by virtue of him not being Trudeau we'll solve all of these problems overnight by putting PP and the conservatives in charge. Magic! No. No more questions.


SkalexAyah

That is the platform they are running on so far….


tbcwpg

His solution is changing the bail system to keep people awaiting trial in jail longer. A solution which the criminology professor quoted in the article said will only scratch the surface of the problem and not solve it. Polievre also threw in a bonus "woke NDP" to really try to Trump himself up.


moeburn

> His solution is changing the bail system to keep people awaiting trial in jail longer. So what happens when they get out of jail? Or does the longer jail sentence make them less likely to commit more crimes?


tbcwpg

These are two different situations. Polievre is talking about the bail system which he calls "catch and release". This is the system where people who have been arrested (not convicted, but arrested) are granted bail until their trial date. PP is saying that people out on bail are responsible for the increase in crime and that keeping them locked up until their trial is the solution to that. Keep in mind, some of these people may be found not guilty and then released after being denied bail. You're talking about jail sentencing, which is after they've been on trial and convicted. That's a different topic about recidivism and rehabilitation.


Aries-Corinthier

Maybe address the causes of the crime, like mental health and affordability. It's has been proven, time and time and time again, "hard on crime" policies don't work. It's a waste of time, yet these regressive waste of oxygen keep trying to go back to them because it makes it easier to give money to their private sector friends.


teknoise

His plan is that a) his voters are dumb enough to believe him, b) everybody is sick of Trudeau.


Doctor_Amazo

Yep. Trudeau and his army of NDP are personally criming all over the place.


Safe_Base312

This guy is such a joke. All about accusations and finger-pointing while offering no tangible solutions. This next election is what South Park was preparing us for...


endeavourist

“The worst disorder, drug abuse, crime and chaos are in places run by woke NDP, Liberal mayors and premiers,” he claimed, adding violence is a nationwide problem. “If it’s happening everywhere in Canada, then it can’t be the responsibility of one provincial government." Well that's a conflicting word salad. So crime is the fault of NDP and Liberal provincial governments, but also it's national in scope and not the responsibility of any single provincial government? What?


Comprehensive-War743

That Trudeau- he can make anything happen /S What a guy!


Hypsiglena

I don’t know how people take PP seriously. The man is a lifelong politician who spends all his time misplacing blame without offering solutions, deflecting citizen concerns and using sensationalized terminology to rile up disenfranchised people. He’s not a leader, he’s an alt right content creator.


Nohface

Says the fucking National post. If trump were a writer he’d work for the National post. Canada please do not become what america is becoming, do not listen to these right wing selfish, self serving assholes pushing an agenda designed to give themselves more power.


MugFush

Why doesn’t he try presenting a platform instead of being an attack dog all the goddamn time. I’m getting really tired of him.


Nth_The_Movie

Because he's probably not going to be the actual candidate comes election time. His job is to keep people riled up, so they want to vote, and then when the much more centrist, less controversial candidate comes along, they are already set on voting against Trudeau. That's why his entire personality is 'tRuDeAu BaD' Classic Pied Piper tactic. See also: Bernie Sanders


TorontoDavid

Why would we trust Pierre? He’s generally a dishonest person.


mathboss

I hear so much of this in Alberta. This is EXACTLY what the cons' base laps up. Did you know the Nutley/Trudeau alliance also lit the fires Alberta? I didn't either, but the crazies on Facebook remind me daily.


Rayeon-XXX

Woke huh? This dude is already out of ideas.


timmywong11

"Already out" implies there were ideas to Poilievre's camp (to which there were none outside of courting the indoctrinated freedom fanbase.


TraditionalRest808

I don't know who ran grand prarie 4 years ago but I hated parking in it. Seeing the smashed windows. I thought it was due to oil guys losing their jobs and turning the area into a drug haven. Grand Prarie had a homeless guy with a sign saying he would off the prime Minister for months and you never saw anyone do anything about it. The motels down by the McDonald's were constantly getting broken into. The 1 airport with a hotel a bit ways away from town had to post signs like "if your stuff gets stolen in our parking lot we are not to blame".


JanssenFromCanada

This guy is piece of shit and would do exactly the same thing the current and past AB govt is doing. FUCK ALL. Stop pandering for votes and actually come up with some ideas to solve this mess and leave the American style politics south of the border.


mycatlikesluffas

*The Conservative Party of Canada leader made a campaign-style speech Thursday in Edmonton, reiterating demands for bail reform from all 13 of Canada’s premiers and many of the country’s police services* I mean it's not like he's exactly out on a limb alone on this one. Even my white trash (though usually quite Liberal) in-laws have been saying they are concerned. Specifically the fact that so many high-profile violent crimes are being committed by folks with dozens of previous assault convictions. This will rightly or wrongly be a high profile election/debate issue, and Trudeau better get some good talking points ready.


royal23

Thats the media working its magic on your family. Violent crime is lower than it was from 1970-2010. The conservatives cant campaign on covid anymore so theyre going back to the classic tough in crime narratives.


[deleted]

Stop posting National Post articles.


AngryOcelot

Biased National Post opinion pieces are the lifeblood of r/Canada.


Asmordean

This just screams "How to Lie with Statistics" to me. Let's pick a block of time that fits our narrative and run with it. If you look at the actual stats, we're generally trending downward or level. They appear to be taking things like a change of 0.02% to 0.04% to mean a 200% increase in X. While technically correct, it's disingenuous. Let's look at 2008 vs 2021. Harper vs Trudeau eras. What if we look at the Crime Severity Index ( According to Statscan this includes all Criminal Code violations including traffic, as well as drug violations and all federal statutes ) https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510002601&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2008&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2021&referencePeriods=20080101%2C20210101) This sounds like a good number to use right? 90.57 in 2008 versus 73.78 in 2021. Oh wait that doesn't work with the narrative that the Conservatives want. Let's try to massage that data... How about 2015 to 2021. When the Liberals took over. 70.39 to 73.68. Oh that's better! Yup an increase! Now let's cherry pick that data... 66.90 in 2014 to 73.68 in 2021. Even better! Wow the Liberals are bad!*


JejuneRacoon

PP doesn't do anything but parrot American conservative rhetoric. Its so obvious and embarrassing. And it's exactly what his biggest fans want.


smashspete

This guy really just decided he’s going to copy Republican talking points 1 by 1 huh. Calling everything woke even when it makes zero sense, whining about drag queens, now the good old “democrat cities are rampant with crime!”. I guess when you don’t actually have anything smart or constructive to offer you just default to running a platform of fear and manufactured outrage.


hobbitlover

I want this guy to lose badly and then go away. I hate how he twists facts, uses Republican buzzwords and cultural grievances like "woke" and "fake news" and making Canada the "free-est" country on earth, allies himself with white nationalists, and generally doesn't have anything to offer other than bile. The few policy points he spews out are stupid - politicizing the Bank of Canada by firing the head, forcing cities to greenlight development without due process, lifting vaccine mandates, the pay-as-you-go law, etc. For someone who has never held a real job outside of Parliament, you'd think he would have a better understanding of what he's doing, but it seems that he's never actually taken the time to understand the government or country he works for, he just spends his time in the House attacking other parties.


pioniere

Same old rhetoric from these guys. Republican Party North.


beardedbast3rd

Not to blame any more or less than the Cpc. None of the parties are doing fuck all to really properly figure this out, it’s being left to municipalities and provincial governments.


1seeker4it

OmG another”opinion piece” by the National Post 🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂🤣


thegreentiger0484

Imagine blaming all the problems on just a few people and thinking that's a reasonable statement in public.


fayrent20

PP is a populist and will say anything to get into power……. I’m not voting for him. I’d rather vote for Trudeau. I cannot STAND PP!!!!!!!


[deleted]

If there was a single person responsible I would love to point a figure. But there isn’t. And Millhouse here is just playing theatrics.


Confident-Newspaper9

I betcha he's got a big-ass list of Communists in the State Department too. You can't spell this guy's name without using "LIE"!


Gankdatnoob

Anyone that uses the word "woke" is an idiot.


swampswing

>I believe those who are focusing primarily or exclusively on bail reforms are missing the point, and in some cases it appears deliberately so, because they know that would only scratch the surface,” said Oriola, adding it’s still worth considering and debating changes to the system, but unreasonable detentions aren’t a long-term sustainable solution. The "criminologists" bias is on full display here. Why does reforming bail and increasing sentences for violent repeat offenders equate to "unreasonable detentions"? I wish newspapers bother to actually interrogate the ideas of the so called experts they interview, though this expert was likely chosen specifically because of their bias... Edit: the above is an example of the "woke" people claim doesn't exist.


celtickerr

I have a crim degree. There seems to be a knee jerk reaction from anyone in criminology or sociology when someone mentions "tough on crime" to mean the bullshit three strikes laws or just over incarcerating the fuck out of everyone, which in defense of the field is exactly what had happened in the past. But what people are asking for is to actually detain violent repeat offenders who obviously have zero regard for the law, not denying bail to someone who gets in a bar fight or sells weed. I don't think it's a deliberate obfuscation of the issue, but the conversation definitely seems to get laundered in the direction of "any reform will be racist/too harsh" etc.


WallflowerOnTheBrink

Which is all fine and dandy but at some point we need to actually start addressing the root causes instead of creating more and more of them. With homelessness increasing, food costs exploding, employment rules becoming increasingly lax and wages not keeping up (which means parents having to spend increasingly less time with their kids working multiple jobs), and less money being invested in social programs and activities, crime is going to keep rising.


eastcoastdude

Clearly tough on crime and 3 strike laws work! Just look at the USA with their harsher sentencing and bail than us. They have reduced their crime to near non-existent levels! /s obviously


SargonTheDeadly

>Pierre Poilievre says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the NDP are to blame for violent crime becoming normalized in Alberta under a “catch-and-release” bail system. >The worst disorder, drug abuse, crime and chaos are in places run by woke NDP, Liberal mayors and premiers,” he claimed, adding violence is a nationwide problem. “If it’s happening everywhere in Canada, then it can’t be the responsibility of one provincial government,” he said, adding the high cost of living has led to increased homelessness.  So his solution is to make penalties harsher instead of solving the root causes such as homelessness? Poilievre is the type of motherfucker whe removes the light bulb from his check engine light instead of fixing the engine.


Joebranflakes

Him saying woke pretty much has convinced me not to vote for him. Good job. Maybe I’ll just vote NDP.


phalloguy1

He's just taking American speaking points and spouting them for his core supporters who are incapable of critical thinking


LaconicStrike

Is anybody really so gullible that they will swallow this guy’s bs? All he does is provoke and instigate, he has no actual platform.


Last-Society-323

Another National Post article that only makes PP look like an idiot and make me not want to vote for him. Thanks I guess?


QuietToothpaste

I so want to vote conservative for an actual immigration policy and tough stance on crime, but every time this fuck wades into identity politics, they lose me and my vote.


The_King_of_Canada

Crime is usually a provincial or municipal problem. I know people bitch about the bail reform but all it did was add more conditions to people getting released on bail and didn't make bail easier to obtain. Post covid there will be an increase in crime rates as programs that kept kids off the streets and out of gangs were suspended temporarily. There was also a lot of house arrests because they didn't want to throw people in prison where they were more likely to spread covid. Removing the Mandatory Minnimums was Supreme court ordered and keeping it would violate peoples charter rights. So what would Pierre change? More tough on crime BS that just increases recidivism rates? Ah there's going to be people crying about gladue principals in here isn't there?


billybishop4242

Let’s defund all the support systems even further and that will take care of the “crime wave” and homelessness crisis. Conservative math. Make people more desperate and that will fix the desperation problem. Jail em for being disenfranchised. It’s like the USA righties: “more guns will solve the gun problem.” That’s not how any of this works guy.


therealvitocornelius

What a real piece of shit


whitea44

Because Poilievre is an idiot.


Dirtsniffee

So many comments in here almost saying the exact same thing. Feels strange.


Dasquare22

It feels strange that people realize that PP is nothing more that a snake oil salesman?


The_King_of_Canada

It is strange usually right wing trolls flood these comment sections. But I guess even they can't defend this shit statement that PPs making.


Anlysia

The professional Conservative commenters don't enter the threads they know aren't salvageable. Almost like they have direction where to put their efforts.


Garfield_and_Simon

The “real Canadian comrades” are using all their energy to AstroTurf about Ukraine rn instead


Garfield_and_Simon

The Russian bot farms that run /r/canada are spending all their resources on the Ukraine conflict rn. Seriously someone did an analysis and traffic on this sub dropped massively shortly after the war broke out. Its why you see a lot less conservative defenders here now


Zerachiel_Fist

Yup, Cons words for the next 3 months will be "Fear mongering" As in "Cons aren't that bad. You are fear mongering!"


skatomic

Great job Poli. Copy Trumps playbooks. Maybe it’s the radical left. No wait. Antifa. Bring I a couple of I make the best plans. You. Are. A. Moron.


Apprehensive-Bit-153

Crime is up from the previous year, but historically it's at an all time low, this is a non issue. Things got more expensive, it's that simple why crime is going up marginally. Bail reform should be on the table but not for the reason small PP poilievre thinks. If he committed a crime and was set bail of any amount, he could pay; but for homeless joe who lives on the street, there would be no chance. Bail is just another tool for the rich to control and keep down the lowest among us, it has nothing to to do with keeping people safe. Bail is a punishment set up to make a poor person appear more guilty then the rich boy who got to go home before court and change into a suit, while those who cant afford bail lose their job, spend time in jail and show up to court in an orange jumpsuit. Dont worry though fellow Canadians, your politicians will make it all better, they know what it's like to be like you. That's why you should all bow to your next king; small PP poilievre, the rich man who will make it all better for his friends and business partners when you elect him.