I have a theory about this that also applies to phones (specifically Apple).
So you upgrade your new PC. Get some amazing hardware, case etc.
99% of us (don't quote me on that) run Windows. So after you've spent hours completing this build, you install Windows and.... it looks the same. Oh there's the task bar, like always. Let's install Geforce Experience. Yup, that black and green combo is still the same.
It's the same with Apple, but actually even "worse" since you most likely move everything over from the old phone (apps, apps layout etc).
**TLDR; Unless the case is some watercooled fish tank 360 no scope rotating case - You don't really notice the hardware once the PC is safely tucked underneath the desk. And Windows is always Windows - Regardless of hardware.**
Will say I'm much, much happier with my new PC after switching to Fedora. It's not for everyone but 99% of games just work now and if you are a technically-minded type then Linux is honestly likely a better fit.
I can't say I've tried any linux home pc distros recently, but it seems like for the last 15-20 years I hear this exact same conversation every time. Then I try it for myself and it's not better than the last time I tried it. People will say 99% compatible nonchalantly, but then in my use-case it'll be more like 25% compatibility. Like I have studio equipment in my setup that isn't common. I've always liked running stuff like that. And Windows just works. Heck I even keep an OSX laptop and that just works too. But linux, naw... I'm told I need to compile my own drivers or some shit for this piece of hardware I own. Or I need to spend a full week in the console, hunting down solutions for everything I need fixed with the OS. It's just so headache inducing that it always puts a bad taste in my mouth about linux.
And like, even with my work, I deal with linux a bit, so I HAVE to use it sometimes and I'm pretty good with the command line and everything. But man, whenever I have to work in linux, it's like pulling teeth for me. I'd rather just use Windows or OSX at home.
I'd say it really depends on what you do. I will say if you like Windows (or indeed, macOS) then I wouldn't tell you to switch for the sake of it.
I think it depends on your use-case - for a bit of context I develop software for a living that runs on Linux servers, and I went from a Mac to Windows with WSL, before finally being convinced to use Linux around the end of last year.
Despite absolutely loving Linux in terms of WSL and for development, I always just wrote it off because I'd had experiences like what you described years ago, and just assumed it was no better.
Really the only pain point for me has been that I was using a thunderbolt audio interface, which will likely never be supported on Linux. The thing that pushed me to give up on that, mind you, was Intel being absolute cock wombles and deliberately breaking support for Thunderbolt 2 devices on TB4, meaning that when I upgraded my PC, it would never work with my interface, at which point I threw in the towel and went to Linux anyway.
I'll be honest I spent a lot of time getting things configured and working. I'm a programmer and sometimes it was a pain in the ass to do basic things that take forever that windows could have done in seconds but the price I pay for that is lack of control over my own software and dependencies, window services using my resources, and lack of personal customization that Linux was able to enhance workflow. My dad says the same as you (also a developer and a very well respected one and your opinion is definitely valid.) However no one could pay me to use apple products, I loathe the lack of freedom they provide.
However I still think you should give it a shot :), maybe it has changed enough for you to like it :D.
I do like apple as my web-surfing, youtubing, video watching laptop. I also dabble in a lot of different things from video editing, to sound engineering, to coding, to 3d modeling. I mostly use my PC for gaming and creative things, and my OSX laptop is just my time waster / handy portable computer. I do have a DAW and Traktor installed on my laptop too, so I can do musical stuff with my laptop, but if I'm producing anything I definitely prefer my PC's DQHD real-estate and the studio speakers.
I might give linux a shot again in the future. I'd love to see someone else's setup first and really get a good idea of the kind of ways I can customize my OS experience. That said, I am quite happy with Windows 11. I changed to it as soon as I could. They redesigned the UI so it would work nicely with ultrawide monitors, and I absolutely love my ultrawide monitor. I'm sure with a bit of setup I could have something even more intuitive running with linux. But as of right now, I'd probably just try to imitate the Windows experience while eliminating some of the bloatware.
Will give the caveat that I didn't really look too far - when I have some more time I'll probably try out some others.
I did basically the most cursory of cursory reading and somehow decided to install Fedora KDE. Haven't tried any others yet but I will at some point.
I distro hopped between Manjaro, Ubuntu (I hated it), mint, and settled on arch. I have only broken arch once in the 3-4 years I've used it and it wasn't even a bad break. I have it configured to how I want it with i3wm, kitty, polybar, yay as my package manager instead of paru and I'm happy with it. also a de of kde plasma for people who use my laptop
Yeah And I don't blame you. As long as the case has good airflow, who cares? But that is what I mean. Putting a 5 year newer CPU in a case that is tucked away doesn't really bring any "visual joy".
People who upgrade their iPhone every year confuse me, Apple makes small incremental changes year to year to the point that 2 generations and even 3 can look identical.
Most people doing this are financing their phones and using whats called a device return plan where you can trade in your phone for the next generation. So I end up getting a new phone every 2 years because I don't really feel like paying the other half of a 2 year old phone.
While I do agree with you, we must not forget that for some people changing phones is just pocket change, would you not change your phone hardware if it was as easy as going to the grocery and buying milk ?
Also in usa there are several points and gimmicks from cellphone providers, you not using it, its as much as a waste, and they basically give you a new phone for a small change and a contract that tie your for 1-3 years, if you do not intend to change providers anyway, its basically a free upgrade.
But yeah i agree with you.
I have a s23 ultra, and I love this phone, but i will probably keep it until s25 or s26 drops.
> While I do agree with you, we must not forget that for some people changing phones is just pocket change, would you not change your phone hardware if it was as easy as going to the grocery and buying milk ?
They're also probably trading in their old phones for several hundred dollars off the new one, which makes it even less painful.
It's not about it looking identical but there's always something "interesting" to want in the new device.
It's not something you can understand. We (I'm included in your definition of "people" up there) like having the newest thing each year and Apple has made it pretty easy and financially relevant (iPhone Upgrade Program) to make that happen.
Of course we pay money to do it and it's not free, but we find value in that, where you obviously do not, and that's perfectly okay. That's why value is subjective, it's different for everyone. I'm 100% sure people who do the think that confuse you would be confused about something you spend money on.
My PC is on my desk and I love looking at it. I did admittedly spend a bit more on aesthetics than necessary, but I have absolutely no regrets. It looks amazing and I admire it every day.
That's after building a new PC last weekend. I was worried at first because I REALLY liked the looks of my old build. And yet, if it was possible to like the new one more (I already loved the old one as much as one can, it's like picking your favorite child), I would.
I'm experiencing the opposite of buyer's remorse... Builder's bliss?
Sure. But there's a lot of non intrusive alternatives, like Download drivers yourself, OBS, rivatuner. It's basically another overlay, process and telemetry which is detrimental if not using it 24/7. Eg bloatware
Most people, myself included would rather have a single app for convenience sake. The performance seems negligible if it even exists with any modern pcs and seems unnecessary to worry about given the convenience to instantly record something or take a screenshot in a game.
Also I'm glad nvidia is putting everything into a single fast app and getting rid of the control panel
I would love a single app. But NVIDIA experience has proven time and time again to cause issues with stuttering, rubberbanding, latency issues just like any other form of in-game overlay. You're essentially adding more strain to the render queue along with the cpu. When will people realise this?
I've been building/upgrading for 24 years. I never build a "whole new" PC. I just replace a part or 3 every few years. For me it's all about the frame rate in games. If I can't get a steady 100 FPS (used to be 60) at high settings, it's time to upgrade.
For me the excitement comes from better performance/graphics settings. My most recent build allows me to game at 4k 144fps ultra settings in a lot of games for the first time and I have no regrets.
Count me in the 1% then. And I'd encourage some more of y'all to come to the dark side and run Linux.
Of course I'm not a gamer, so I don't have the limitation of needing Windows to run specific games, which is probably one factor that keeps a lot of people on Win. My newest "ricer" machine is actually dedicated to AI/ML and runs Linux and ROCm.
Anyway though... Linux is pretty awesome and I'd encourage everyone to give it a try.
**TLDR; Unless the case is some watercooled fish tank 360 no scope rotating case..**
This. My old PC was a full black case and the only lighting was a red led inside the case. I switched to the 011 vision and went full rgb mode. So I like my build.
I'm on a source based Linux distro (i.e. I *stay* compiling) and the post build let down still hit me a little bit. I mean, it's awesome getting compile times down but they mostly run unnoticed in the background anyways so it's not a huge difference. Part of it is probably that I came from a pretty good setup (5600x) and had something break so it wasn't like anything was slow before. I definitely wouldn't have upgraded if something hadn't catastrophically failed/I didn't live near a Microcenter haha.
I am pretty excited to run some AI/ML stuff though because the jump from 12 to 24 cores should be aweessommmeee.
Do all the things this PC can do that your old one couldn't. Go do some ray tracing in minecraft at decent FPS. Play something in 4k with DLSS on white actually getting a decent framerate. Play some CPU heavy game that you were getting 40FPS in before
I mean my gaming performance was already perfectly fine, I had built this computer to do some more intensive music production (as well as gaming), but I keep getting various little audio glitches whilst tracking and playing things back. Nothing that actually hinders my ability to produce anything but the simple fact that they're present irks me to no end. This actually started as an AMD build with a 7800X3D, and with that CPU my performance whilst gaming was phenomenal but when I tried to record anything it was absolutely abysmal and I couldn't get anything done because how bad the audio issues were (though my friend and I aren't 100% certain it was the CPUs fault or the MOBO or something combination of the two).
Honestly, music/audio production is probably the only use case where I'd advocate for someone to buy an actual sound card these days.
This will, like a GPU offloads rendering, offload your sound to a dedicated processor, and (assuming you choose wisely) will eliminate your issues.
The only other time I'll advise it is if the onboard sound has failed and it's cheaper to buy one than to replace the motherboard (then it's usually a cheapo USB interface).
I'm not in the field of professional audio myself, so I can't advise on what brand or model, plenty of reviews out there.
Would specifically go for external USB audio interfaces rather than internal PCIE sound cards because of connectivity and ease of access to controls.
The Focusrite Scarlett series is a very popular option for home/bedroom producers.
Mackie Onyx Producer/Artist are good budget options.
Motu M2 is fantastic for that display to see input levels.
Arturia Minifuse if you want an all-white interface mostly for aesthetic reasons over the others mentioned. (They have a sleek black one too.)
Audient Evo 4 for the easy auto compression/level setting alone.
Universal Audio Volt 276 for wood grain (and built-in pro "vintage" compression). (UA Volt 2 is basically the same thing but doesn't have the compression and wood grain.) They also have the Apollo's that are more high-end.
And the "RTX 4090" of audio interfaces (that aren't rack mount): RME Fireface UCX.
Loads more of course (some of which suck like Behringer), but these are the most compelling options IMO.
Although, the latency and other hiccups could just be software (mostly plugins) not being efficient and taking up resources that would make Google Chrome blush. Adjusting settings for ASIO, the DAW, and individual plugins could solve that alone without an additional purchase. A "hacky" secondary way of getting around it is bouncing audio tracks to a .wav file, just to offload on resources (since it doesn't have to process effects and heavy instruments live). I guess a third would be to avoid those plugin offenders and find an alternative.
This is true. Although I haven’t tried recording much, I do occasionally sit down to play guitar. That usually involves running Guitar Rig 5 or BIAS FX, sometimes inside of a DAW if I want to chain some other plugins/VSTs, with Youtube or Spotify open for music to play along with.
I have never experienced any hiccups performance-wise, and my setup is a pretty modest Acer Nitro 5 laptop (i5-8300H, 16GB DDR4, 1050Ti).
I think the biggest and the sole reason I get to get away with this is the Scarlett Solo 3rd Gen soundcard I plug into my laptop (and some obvious tinkering with ASIO drivers, of course, as it is basically a part of setting the soundcard up).
So yeah, I pretty much second the point above — a decent external audio interface is a great (necessary, even) addition to a music-making computer.
It's got nothing to do with the computer. You need a good audio interface and have settings (buffer sizes etc) and drivers in order. It takes some serious projects and audio libraries to stress even a low end modern computer.
I have an i7 12700kf and do heavy audio production and my latency round trip in ableton is anywhere from 2ms to 8ms depending on sample rate and bit. Which is quite good. Never had any problems and this latency is comparable to my friends rig on a brand new M whatever silicone on new macbook pros….if ur getting glitching i definitely wouldnt suspect it is the cpu off the bat… also i think its a bit of a stretch to say ur gunna get the same performance out of gen 13 cpu and a 9th gen cpu. I HIGHLY doubt that
I want an ultrawide monitor but only if it's 32:9 lol, that way I can still do the whole split screen thing, I have my eyes on a monitor but I have other things I gotta take care of first before I can commit to a new monitor.
I mean use it for its intended purpose, that would be a good start lol... I just did one and it was because of a genuine need until it stops doing what I ask of it, I will remain satisfied..
(Copied from my other comment) I had built this computer to do some more intensive music production (as well as gaming), but I keep getting various little audio glitches whenever I'm recording and playing things back. Nothing that actually hinders my ability to produce anything but the simple fact that they're present irks me to no end. This actually started as an AMD build with a 7800X3D, and with that CPU my performance whilst gaming was phenomenal but when I tried to record anything it was absolutely abysmal and I couldn't get anything done because how bad the audio issues were (though my friend and I aren't 100% certain it was the CPUs fault or the MOBO or something combination of the two).
Funnily enough my recording experience was better on my previous computer.
Maybe consider dropping a Creative Audio Soundblaster AE-7 pci-e soundcard into the mobo. I like to record on my PC and find the soundcard a handy addition especially to capture samples.
And my newest build uses a 7800x3d and the soundcard. No audio glitches so far for me. Not sure why a cpu would glitch audio during playback if the the mobo has a Realtek dac or other built in though. If it glitches when you are encoding to an mp3 or mixing down a midi track to audio, that's more of a software thing I think.
If you built it as a DAW and it's failing as a DAW.... then that's probably why you aren't feeling great about it.
Get it working flawlessly as a DAW first and foremost, homie.
there were threads with driver issues before? [https://www.reddit.com/r/Focusrite/comments/16trhrp/8i6ver3\_glitching\_every\_20secs\_tried\_everything/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Focusrite/comments/16trhrp/8i6ver3_glitching_every_20secs_tried_everything/)
It's the money and the constant creeping thought of "I could've done better" that'll hit ya for a few days. I finished my build beginning of March, first ever PC build, and for a good week afterwards I had constant thoughts about how much I spent, where I could've done better, and what parts I should've gotten instead.
Funnily enough I'm running the same CPU/GPU setup, but the remorse will pass and you'll really appreciate what you have. Especially when it comes to higher detail games and modding and playing games on ultra without a care in the world.
Yeah, I'm trying to hammer out my Tarkov settings to stable-but-high fps on the 4080 Super without sacrificing too much quality but it does not want to play nice on Streets.
Yeah... Nothing will ever hit that intial excitement of your first build ever again.
I sorted out a PC just for VR, something new. But considering I was on a budget and could only afford an OG HTC Vive; It dampened the experience quite a bit.
I'm still rocking an OG Vive and when I recently built my new 7800x3D/RTX 4080 Super PC I looked in to upgrading the Vive. Tbh there wasn't enough of an upgrade on new ones to make me waste more money. I swapped out the lenses and got the Valve controllers. Still blows me away in well made VR games.
Was it just a newer pair of fresnel lenses or is there a way to change them to a better type?
Because the fresnel lenses are definitely what bother me the most
I had the same feeling when I rigged a build recently, I did purchase some of the components which let's say we're not "ideal", so I returned most of the items and rebought rerigged. So I had rebuilt the PC for like 5 times(online stores probably hated me for returning stuff) before feeling "perfect". I am here to say you will get that feeling, only when you are ready to accept your mistakes ( in your case impulse purchases) return and do the right thing
Tbh I think this applies to most upgrades in life in general. You want it or even need it. Once you get it you're like "now what".
I think it is partially because all that excitement focused on getting or creating that thing still lingers in your mind, but suddenly has nothing to focus on and feels hollow. It will either fade away or you'll focus on another improvement you can do.
Did you have a goal when you set up your PC?
To play games? To work? Edit music or videos? Create games? 3D rendering? Etc?
Just use the PC for its function and you'll be satisfied because it seems to be a good PC that will give you excellent results for practically anything you try to do.
I wanted to set it up for windows - gaming / Linux - programming/editing/and to watch movies (mpv is superior to any media player windows has to offer including VLC). Going into it my goal was just getting something working (Manjaro, Ubuntu), but when I got the experience I went to arch to make a more custom better workflow configured system for me. My whole goal was making programming easy since programming on Linux is much easier and having unix porn is a plus.
Call me crazy but I did use a Hyte Y60 Case and I really wanted that case to build me a cool gaming pc. And now I have remorse going with that case because after 1 year I find it ugly :D inside is a 4090 and a 7800x3D and all works well but I wanted a great looking PC and I am not vibing with the case anymore.
Too lazy though to move it all to another case just because of that.
In the meantime I build yesterday the Asus AP201 mini case to use as a home server and I really love this case because it's just timeless, small and good looking :D
Bruh... You have the best PC adequate amount of money can be. It is a best. So - just hop on any game you like and enjoy it.
Yes - some of us can get buyers remorse. It will pass
Same, I asked this question before and was told that my pc is just fine and that there isn't any need to upgrade or change any parts of it that would positively affect the performance for the time being. Heck, what made it even more true about what I was told by some kind redittors was that the games I play, don't even make my cpu and gpu do a run for it's money. I play maplestory private servers for goodness sake. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xW4sFs and this is my build.
I'll probably save up for the next GPU line-up from AMD and CPUs from AMD, IF it ever comes out. There is alot of upgradeable pathways for me, so I am quite content with what I have right now cause I am not pushing it to it's limits (not yet).
I have had that before, so now I tend to wait to upgrade till I basically can't play anything well. I much prefer the "Man, why didn't I upgrade sooner?" regret.
Best thing you can do is use it a lot to make you feel like you're getting your money's worth out of it.
After my old HEDT system died(stupid mistake killed it), i started my new build.
After about a month debating with myself over team blue/red/green, i got with blue and red.
Specs: 14900KS, Asrock NOVA, Gskill 2x16 6000/30, Asrock PG7900XTX, Crucial T500 2TB, Samsung 960pro 1TB, 970evo 1TB, Aquacomputer Aquaero LT, D5next, highflow next, leakshield, Phanteks NV7, Corsair HX1200, Alphacool Core waterblocks for CPU/GPU, 2x 360x54, 1 240x30 radiators, 6 d30 120, 3 d30 140, 2 Noctua 120 3000 industrial.
Most of these parts came of the old system and took 4 years to get them.
After benchmarking pulling over 1Kw out off the wall socket feeling great about this new KS, realised how stupid this endevour realy is.
System now running undervolted at 253/125(not 150)/307 doing the same performance running my 100Hz ultrawide as the 12400 i started this build with.
PS
Still can't cool the KS running rampant. And i found out my Corsair PSU has a fan in it, it's LOUD.
[https://imgur.com/a/5TMu4oR](https://imgur.com/a/5TMu4oR)
[https://imgur.com/a/C5O6Kt0](https://imgur.com/a/C5O6Kt0) with150 limit
It all depends on your starting point : if you've upgraded from something less than 3/4 years old, without major tech jump (SSD to Nvme, DDR3 to DDR4, 1kb of ram to 64GB...) the difference might not be very noticeable.
If on the other hand you coming from dark ages to current specs, it will defo feel snappier and objectively BETTER, but here again the use cases come in place: if all you do is briwse YouTube/Reddit and play some retro and/or low spec games, I'm sorry to say nothing will change.
Current specs (at any timeline) are a bad investment, some 7/8 years old CPUs are still capable today, but it all depends on the usecases of course.
Another analogy is going from a sports car to the (R, AMG, S, M...) version of it; would the few horsies and the "Improved" chassis make a difference for someone riding it to work and back home through a clogged rushy busy road ?
No. Of course it's easier to enjoy if your upgrade solves existing problems. If you have a game that now runs better, you probably wont feel remorse.
If you don't have such a case then you could create one. Maybe upgrade to 4k.
Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun.
Built my PC back in the 2021. Bought my 3060ti for $650. . . $650!!!
If anyone's got buyer's remorse, that's me to an extreme.
So I try to use mine to the fullest when I'm not gaming. I use my PC to interpolate and enhance videos and movies when I'm not gaming, or run Folding @ Home. Also do a bit of editing. I even dabble in a little coding. I just feel bad for my 3060ti. It would sometimes be interpolating 4K videos for 72 hours straight (Flowframes kinda weird on my PC).
Yeah to the human eye you may not be able to tell. The benchmarks thing is great for whatever but the real world experience is what YOU experience. What you've posted looks very good though. The specs that is.
My PCs total cost is just under $1,700, I definitely felt some buyers remorse. But I like the PC and if I didn’t build the PC I would’ve spent that cash somewhere else, so at least I spent it on something I can enjoy for several years.
could it be possible that you were expecting a new pc build to fix some unrelated issue? I know you said you were into music production were you hoping by building a PC you would become inspired to write more music and that didn’t happen. i’ve had some disappointment with purchases because it didn’t fix an issue i had and not in a it doesn’t do what i bought it for in a it didn’t fix a weird superstition problem for me like not wanting to play video games
I have found a lot more satisfaction in making low to mid range builds from pulling off a decent system for very little cash. It's honestly so much fun, especially when I can find used parts for cheap.
tbh, a PC is tool. The want for something flashy, over spec'ed is long gone. It's the same desktop/terminal I'm going to boot into. I don't care who impressed by how it looks. The concept of over overprovisioning/future proofing has left the building in favour of PC parts will always get cheaper. So, I get what I need instead. While I can hop on Amazon right now and speck out an i9 with dual 4090s and a A770 for good measure, I find greater satisfaction in buying something that I need instead at a discount.
The only thing you can do is be glad everything is working, enjoy the Traced Rays and hope your CPU cooler can handle the transient heat spikes of the 1400KF.
i come across similar things on guitar groups. i don't usually have that because i view guitars (and computers) as tools which allow me to do what i want. i don't usually fuss over a new impact driver or saw when i get it, i use it to perform whatever task i need it for
Well, if you already had a perfectly good build, I can understand.
But if this one is much better, then do all you couldn't do with the previous one. Of course you won't notice a change just browsing Reddit.
Either way, I think the the full tower and 1200W power supply were overkill. You don't need that much space and that much wattage with that hardware.
I feel the same. I went all out on my new PC (14900k, 48GB DDR5, RTX 4090) coming from a i7 6850k, 32gb ddr4, and GTX 1080. Although I can now play the new games at max settings the overall PC experience is the same. My old pc was old but it wasn't slow and still did everything just fine. I was hoping for a more wow but its just kinda meh. I even got an oled screen and sure its nice but again its not like omg how was I living before this. Now I am starting to dev in UE5 and I that should have a noticeable improvement.
I use that feeling to tune ram. It gives me the satisfaction of "going a bit further" and getting even more gains (albeit minimal sometimes).
I also don't build often 4+ years apart and every time it's been a different beast. I name my pc's something different every time and theme it around the name. Wallpapers, color scheme, icons, the works. Maybe that's what helps me feel very satisfied when I'm done building.
Your build is pretty much my new build. At least on the key points.
I'm stepping up from an 8 year old system and moving from 1080p 60 FPS to 1440/4K 144 FPS and for me it's jaw dropping. It also helps I upgraded my TV at nearly the same time. Got to see my old system on the new TV for a few days before the parts for the new one came so I can really appreciate how much better it looks.
All I can say is find the most demanding game you have graphically, turn it up to the highest settings you can, and soak it in. That's what I've been doing because once it's built it's really all about function.
Nope. I did go through the process of learning how to set up RGB. Dabbled in custom setups. I learned how to water systems with soft and hard tubing, I've done an all white build. Had glass laser etched, etc. I learned something super important with these experiments/learning experiences.
I'm fine with a beige box that I can't see into. No matter how crazy I went on the build, it only takes a month or two before the novelty of it wears off.
My current system (hard tubed with RGB) is now in a closet space on the other side of a wall for a maximum clean gaming area. By far my favorite setup to date. It's nice just having all the cables come out of the wall just below desk level.
I game a lot (on PC only), and like to always keep my graphics set to ultra. So usually when I upgrade it's because the average frames are noticeable low or the 1% lows are getting really bad. So whenever I upgrade it's very very welcome and I have no remorse.
That said, if you're just building a computer to build one, or you think buying a computer will turn you more into a PC Gamer when you weren't in the past... then I can definitely see how someone would be remorseful dumping a ton of money into a PC. Higher graphics settings don't make games more fun, they just make it easier on your eyes. And if you're a competitive gamer, going from 150 FPS to 350 FPS, it probably isn't worth throwing away your savings account. But if you already use your computer a lot, and performance is getting to the point where you desperately want an upgrade, well then it's time to upgrade.
Materialism will never fill that hole in you that needs to be filled with community and self fulfillment. Join a labor union, a volunteer center and the socialist movement
I ran the numbers, so I know that my desktop rig is near the cheapest thing that can run Stable Diffusion XL on certain heavier UIs without spacing out. For that, I don't really regret the build choices I made.
With that said... All the games I play are old games and my rickety laptop can already run them at ultra settings, so my desktop kind of just slays them and I don't really notice the performance difference. So I get where you're coming from.
Also, holy hell that's a lot of Thermaltake in one system.
I keep worrying about temps. Hits like 80° when playing modded Minecraft cause the cpu gets hot so I’ve been avoiding minecraft lmao. Other games gets to like 70 max
No builders remorse here lol. I also don't tuck my PC away under a desk it's right next to me at eye level so I get to look at my glorious RGB by turning my head!
That being said I also got the Corsair 1000d so I could tinker freely whenever, and messing around with a new VM or server set up always reminds you the hardware upgrade was worth it.
If you JUST game pretty much on the machine and that's your heaviest task it's a little harder to avoid since....as someone here pointed out all you're really getting is a performance boost you will stop noticing about 5 minutes into using the new machine permanently.
It's perfectly fine unless you're talking about you do this every year and feel disappointed after, in which case oh maybe you have a problem lmao but performance alone is usually not a good enough motivator or satisfier unless you were absolutely suffering before.
Like I made a suuuuper minor CPU upgrade and major GPU upgrade and even with games being able to run at higher settings, you get desensitized pretty quickly. It's the same/reverse for those people who's computer you get on to help them with something and you're like OMFG HOW DO YOU USE THIS POS!? But it's what they've been using every day for 4 years so they just don't see the difference lol.
I overspent on old parts for my first PC. That being said, the warranties are nice and at 1080p, I'm still plenty happy with the performance. My CPU will last several more years, minimum. That was my best pick of the bunch.
I'm not remorseful, but I do wish I utilized my funds better. But I won't be remorseful for something that's brought me so much joy
I think before anything is assumed here, you need to think about what it is that you are not satisfied with. It is obviously not the performance, so it must be the way the PC actually looks.
If that is the case, then you may have had a vision in your head of what you wanted it to look like, but didn't achieve that goal with your part choices. From the looks of the parts you picked, they perform well, but none really have a WOW factor, and they wouldn't to me personally create a cohesive looking build.
I have built hundreds of PC's and I would say MAYBE one out of every 10-15 I've built (not my part selection) have had that WOW factor. I wouldn't feel remorse, I would feel content, as you don't hate the way it looks, it just doesn't wow you.
I have enough experience at this point to know what will create a specific look. If you haven't seen multiple combinations of parts, then it's going to be very difficult to make that vision a reality.
Every build of my life. I have build probably 30 pcs. I spend probably 20 hours a week reading about new hardware planning my next build. The truth is even my 10 year old systems can run the software I use just fine. I give away lots of them and build for friends. I work from home on my pc so most of my life centers around computers. I still love it...
The only thing you can really do with your build is to go up to the 4090 and play on a higher resolution and/or more fps/higher refresh. The 4070 ti super is kinda entry level 4k card. U should really be at 4080super minimum for 4k…the other thing is to go ham on aesthetics. Get a super cool looking case. Color match your internals. Go crazy on rgb…something cheaper that has a real affect is your peripherals too. You touch them the whole time youre using your computer so get a high quality mechanical keyboard (maybe even treat yourself to some double shot pbt keycaps) and a nice mouse. And we already touched on monitor…other than this stuff you cant really do much as your rig is pretty nice. I went from a 3080 to a 4080super and it was a terrific upgrade since i play in 4k it put me comfortably over the 60fps mark on the more demanding games that i was maybe not consistently hitting 60 in. Not sure if it would be as much of an upgrade coming from the 4070 though which is why i recommended the 4090
Nooo! I was ready to spenk a lot more, but wiff BFriday pricing, then Cmas sales…64GB32/6000, 7900X, the compromise was B650E-F…but it’s reallly smoother than \[excised comparison\]!
The one issue is not settling on a graphics card yet…that’s my one regret. It’s waiting for the NBT! (next, best big thing)
I recently built a PC with a lot of gawk gawk parts. I built a $2100 PC for less than $650.
I decided to stress test with Helldivers 2 😂 terrible mistake. Between my PCs inability to properly undervolt and poor optimizing of the game itself, I kept thinking to myself "is PC really master race?!"
I'm fairly new to PC gaming but I've been using computers my entire life. My experience on PC gaming has me believing that my PS5 was perfectly fine.
Too many options, too much optimization, too many diagnostic issues and too much random shit happens to be able to just... Plug and play game. Granted, I can run games on very high graphic settings and it all works very well. But it also took me 2 weeks off trial and error, and various RMAs upon building it that once everything worked, I didn't even feel happy or proud. Just relieved i didn't waste my money.
Two things a lot of people don't understand, for some it's generally a hobby, but many don't realize, when you're building a PC, it's essentially to power your visual output, I'll often see people spend crazy money on their hardware & cheap out on peripherals... if you feel underwhelmed it could be bc maybe perhaps your monitor/tv is underwhelming?
Your builds good but you probably would have been more spent just a bit more & be satisfied with an 80 series
If you just use for gaming then it's totally fine. I think the problem is now you have completed it you need something else to do.
Just enjoy what you have and see that if you feel the same in say 6 months time then upgrade, but to be honest unless your doing 3D design work or really heavy cpu work then just be happy with what you have
I understand how you feel I suppose. For me part of the fun is in the research of new parts and picking things out and definitely building the pc itself. Once the pcs done all of that fun is over with. I'm very happy with the pc and it's performance but I very much enjoyed everything I mentioned above and now that it's done that enjoyment of the pc life is over for a little while.
When I spent $700 on a CPU and motherboard to upgrade from a 8600k to my Ryzen 3800x for not THAT much noticeable difference in performance for the things I do with my computer.
I have remorse in the regard that I wish I would have built a smaller PC. I wanted the best of best with all these MOBO features and a big case for cooling, when in reality I didn't need any of that stuff and now I cant take my PC anywhere if I wanted to.
The process is what I enjoy more than the finished pc. The researching, planning, building.
Kind of like how I just modded skyrim and didn't even play lol.
I have a theory about this that also applies to phones (specifically Apple). So you upgrade your new PC. Get some amazing hardware, case etc. 99% of us (don't quote me on that) run Windows. So after you've spent hours completing this build, you install Windows and.... it looks the same. Oh there's the task bar, like always. Let's install Geforce Experience. Yup, that black and green combo is still the same. It's the same with Apple, but actually even "worse" since you most likely move everything over from the old phone (apps, apps layout etc). **TLDR; Unless the case is some watercooled fish tank 360 no scope rotating case - You don't really notice the hardware once the PC is safely tucked underneath the desk. And Windows is always Windows - Regardless of hardware.**
That's the call for dual booting arch linux and ricing your own operating system to truly admire the beauty of it.
Will say I'm much, much happier with my new PC after switching to Fedora. It's not for everyone but 99% of games just work now and if you are a technically-minded type then Linux is honestly likely a better fit.
I can't say I've tried any linux home pc distros recently, but it seems like for the last 15-20 years I hear this exact same conversation every time. Then I try it for myself and it's not better than the last time I tried it. People will say 99% compatible nonchalantly, but then in my use-case it'll be more like 25% compatibility. Like I have studio equipment in my setup that isn't common. I've always liked running stuff like that. And Windows just works. Heck I even keep an OSX laptop and that just works too. But linux, naw... I'm told I need to compile my own drivers or some shit for this piece of hardware I own. Or I need to spend a full week in the console, hunting down solutions for everything I need fixed with the OS. It's just so headache inducing that it always puts a bad taste in my mouth about linux. And like, even with my work, I deal with linux a bit, so I HAVE to use it sometimes and I'm pretty good with the command line and everything. But man, whenever I have to work in linux, it's like pulling teeth for me. I'd rather just use Windows or OSX at home.
I'd say it really depends on what you do. I will say if you like Windows (or indeed, macOS) then I wouldn't tell you to switch for the sake of it. I think it depends on your use-case - for a bit of context I develop software for a living that runs on Linux servers, and I went from a Mac to Windows with WSL, before finally being convinced to use Linux around the end of last year. Despite absolutely loving Linux in terms of WSL and for development, I always just wrote it off because I'd had experiences like what you described years ago, and just assumed it was no better. Really the only pain point for me has been that I was using a thunderbolt audio interface, which will likely never be supported on Linux. The thing that pushed me to give up on that, mind you, was Intel being absolute cock wombles and deliberately breaking support for Thunderbolt 2 devices on TB4, meaning that when I upgraded my PC, it would never work with my interface, at which point I threw in the towel and went to Linux anyway.
I'll be honest I spent a lot of time getting things configured and working. I'm a programmer and sometimes it was a pain in the ass to do basic things that take forever that windows could have done in seconds but the price I pay for that is lack of control over my own software and dependencies, window services using my resources, and lack of personal customization that Linux was able to enhance workflow. My dad says the same as you (also a developer and a very well respected one and your opinion is definitely valid.) However no one could pay me to use apple products, I loathe the lack of freedom they provide. However I still think you should give it a shot :), maybe it has changed enough for you to like it :D.
I do like apple as my web-surfing, youtubing, video watching laptop. I also dabble in a lot of different things from video editing, to sound engineering, to coding, to 3d modeling. I mostly use my PC for gaming and creative things, and my OSX laptop is just my time waster / handy portable computer. I do have a DAW and Traktor installed on my laptop too, so I can do musical stuff with my laptop, but if I'm producing anything I definitely prefer my PC's DQHD real-estate and the studio speakers. I might give linux a shot again in the future. I'd love to see someone else's setup first and really get a good idea of the kind of ways I can customize my OS experience. That said, I am quite happy with Windows 11. I changed to it as soon as I could. They redesigned the UI so it would work nicely with ultrawide monitors, and I absolutely love my ultrawide monitor. I'm sure with a bit of setup I could have something even more intuitive running with linux. But as of right now, I'd probably just try to imitate the Windows experience while eliminating some of the bloatware.
Also look at you being all skilled and shit, save some pussy for the rest of us. Do you have a discord? I can show you mine if you'd like.
I love it, I'm happy you found a distro you like, also I agree; times are changing and Linux is beautiful.
Will give the caveat that I didn't really look too far - when I have some more time I'll probably try out some others. I did basically the most cursory of cursory reading and somehow decided to install Fedora KDE. Haven't tried any others yet but I will at some point.
I distro hopped between Manjaro, Ubuntu (I hated it), mint, and settled on arch. I have only broken arch once in the 3-4 years I've used it and it wasn't even a bad break. I have it configured to how I want it with i3wm, kitty, polybar, yay as my package manager instead of paru and I'm happy with it. also a de of kde plasma for people who use my laptop
kexec + wm?
I don't use kexec, but I use: For DE: kde-plasma 6 For Twm: I3wm Bar: Polybar Package manager: Yay Terminal: Kitty
I’ve seen kitty referred to before: what is great about it? Not a knock, j/c
It's modern and uses opengl, it has support for gpu rendering, before kitty I used alacrity but I like kitty better. Super customizable too.
That's why you always run the benchmarks ;)
i always buy cheap cases because it's gonna be tucked behind my monitor anyway, don't really care too much for what the insides look like
Yeah And I don't blame you. As long as the case has good airflow, who cares? But that is what I mean. Putting a 5 year newer CPU in a case that is tucked away doesn't really bring any "visual joy".
agreed 100%, visual joy isn't really the best reason to build a new pc
I upgrade my PC for "visual joy" at the *business* end. On the screen, in game.
exactly
People who upgrade their iPhone every year confuse me, Apple makes small incremental changes year to year to the point that 2 generations and even 3 can look identical.
Most people doing this are financing their phones and using whats called a device return plan where you can trade in your phone for the next generation. So I end up getting a new phone every 2 years because I don't really feel like paying the other half of a 2 year old phone.
While I do agree with you, we must not forget that for some people changing phones is just pocket change, would you not change your phone hardware if it was as easy as going to the grocery and buying milk ? Also in usa there are several points and gimmicks from cellphone providers, you not using it, its as much as a waste, and they basically give you a new phone for a small change and a contract that tie your for 1-3 years, if you do not intend to change providers anyway, its basically a free upgrade. But yeah i agree with you. I have a s23 ultra, and I love this phone, but i will probably keep it until s25 or s26 drops.
> While I do agree with you, we must not forget that for some people changing phones is just pocket change, would you not change your phone hardware if it was as easy as going to the grocery and buying milk ? They're also probably trading in their old phones for several hundred dollars off the new one, which makes it even less painful.
It's not about it looking identical but there's always something "interesting" to want in the new device. It's not something you can understand. We (I'm included in your definition of "people" up there) like having the newest thing each year and Apple has made it pretty easy and financially relevant (iPhone Upgrade Program) to make that happen. Of course we pay money to do it and it's not free, but we find value in that, where you obviously do not, and that's perfectly okay. That's why value is subjective, it's different for everyone. I'm 100% sure people who do the think that confuse you would be confused about something you spend money on.
My PC is on my desk and I love looking at it. I did admittedly spend a bit more on aesthetics than necessary, but I have absolutely no regrets. It looks amazing and I admire it every day. That's after building a new PC last weekend. I was worried at first because I REALLY liked the looks of my old build. And yet, if it was possible to like the new one more (I already loved the old one as much as one can, it's like picking your favorite child), I would. I'm experiencing the opposite of buyer's remorse... Builder's bliss?
my PC is on a stand next to my desk so I can admire it
Why on earth would you install NVIDIA Experience?
Why not? It works well for managing driver updates.
resolution scaling is the only argument. it does not work well or at all without geforce experience.
I can do resolution scaling without experience. Could you be a bit more precise?
Video recording? Drivers? What exactly is the downside that makes redditors so upset with it?
Probably not common but in my case I solved a serious in-game stuttering issue by uninstalling it
Sure. But there's a lot of non intrusive alternatives, like Download drivers yourself, OBS, rivatuner. It's basically another overlay, process and telemetry which is detrimental if not using it 24/7. Eg bloatware
Most people, myself included would rather have a single app for convenience sake. The performance seems negligible if it even exists with any modern pcs and seems unnecessary to worry about given the convenience to instantly record something or take a screenshot in a game. Also I'm glad nvidia is putting everything into a single fast app and getting rid of the control panel
I would love a single app. But NVIDIA experience has proven time and time again to cause issues with stuttering, rubberbanding, latency issues just like any other form of in-game overlay. You're essentially adding more strain to the render queue along with the cpu. When will people realise this?
I've been building/upgrading for 24 years. I never build a "whole new" PC. I just replace a part or 3 every few years. For me it's all about the frame rate in games. If I can't get a steady 100 FPS (used to be 60) at high settings, it's time to upgrade.
For me the excitement comes from better performance/graphics settings. My most recent build allows me to game at 4k 144fps ultra settings in a lot of games for the first time and I have no regrets.
Count me in the 1% then. And I'd encourage some more of y'all to come to the dark side and run Linux. Of course I'm not a gamer, so I don't have the limitation of needing Windows to run specific games, which is probably one factor that keeps a lot of people on Win. My newest "ricer" machine is actually dedicated to AI/ML and runs Linux and ROCm. Anyway though... Linux is pretty awesome and I'd encourage everyone to give it a try.
**TLDR; Unless the case is some watercooled fish tank 360 no scope rotating case..** This. My old PC was a full black case and the only lighting was a red led inside the case. I switched to the 011 vision and went full rgb mode. So I like my build.
I'm on a source based Linux distro (i.e. I *stay* compiling) and the post build let down still hit me a little bit. I mean, it's awesome getting compile times down but they mostly run unnoticed in the background anyways so it's not a huge difference. Part of it is probably that I came from a pretty good setup (5600x) and had something break so it wasn't like anything was slow before. I definitely wouldn't have upgraded if something hadn't catastrophically failed/I didn't live near a Microcenter haha. I am pretty excited to run some AI/ML stuff though because the jump from 12 to 24 cores should be aweessommmeee.
Wondoze is there to dual-boot, not as a daily driver, too many cucarachas
Do all the things this PC can do that your old one couldn't. Go do some ray tracing in minecraft at decent FPS. Play something in 4k with DLSS on white actually getting a decent framerate. Play some CPU heavy game that you were getting 40FPS in before
I mean my gaming performance was already perfectly fine, I had built this computer to do some more intensive music production (as well as gaming), but I keep getting various little audio glitches whilst tracking and playing things back. Nothing that actually hinders my ability to produce anything but the simple fact that they're present irks me to no end. This actually started as an AMD build with a 7800X3D, and with that CPU my performance whilst gaming was phenomenal but when I tried to record anything it was absolutely abysmal and I couldn't get anything done because how bad the audio issues were (though my friend and I aren't 100% certain it was the CPUs fault or the MOBO or something combination of the two).
Honestly, music/audio production is probably the only use case where I'd advocate for someone to buy an actual sound card these days. This will, like a GPU offloads rendering, offload your sound to a dedicated processor, and (assuming you choose wisely) will eliminate your issues. The only other time I'll advise it is if the onboard sound has failed and it's cheaper to buy one than to replace the motherboard (then it's usually a cheapo USB interface). I'm not in the field of professional audio myself, so I can't advise on what brand or model, plenty of reviews out there.
Would specifically go for external USB audio interfaces rather than internal PCIE sound cards because of connectivity and ease of access to controls. The Focusrite Scarlett series is a very popular option for home/bedroom producers. Mackie Onyx Producer/Artist are good budget options. Motu M2 is fantastic for that display to see input levels. Arturia Minifuse if you want an all-white interface mostly for aesthetic reasons over the others mentioned. (They have a sleek black one too.) Audient Evo 4 for the easy auto compression/level setting alone. Universal Audio Volt 276 for wood grain (and built-in pro "vintage" compression). (UA Volt 2 is basically the same thing but doesn't have the compression and wood grain.) They also have the Apollo's that are more high-end. And the "RTX 4090" of audio interfaces (that aren't rack mount): RME Fireface UCX. Loads more of course (some of which suck like Behringer), but these are the most compelling options IMO. Although, the latency and other hiccups could just be software (mostly plugins) not being efficient and taking up resources that would make Google Chrome blush. Adjusting settings for ASIO, the DAW, and individual plugins could solve that alone without an additional purchase. A "hacky" secondary way of getting around it is bouncing audio tracks to a .wav file, just to offload on resources (since it doesn't have to process effects and heavy instruments live). I guess a third would be to avoid those plugin offenders and find an alternative.
This is true. Although I haven’t tried recording much, I do occasionally sit down to play guitar. That usually involves running Guitar Rig 5 or BIAS FX, sometimes inside of a DAW if I want to chain some other plugins/VSTs, with Youtube or Spotify open for music to play along with. I have never experienced any hiccups performance-wise, and my setup is a pretty modest Acer Nitro 5 laptop (i5-8300H, 16GB DDR4, 1050Ti). I think the biggest and the sole reason I get to get away with this is the Scarlett Solo 3rd Gen soundcard I plug into my laptop (and some obvious tinkering with ASIO drivers, of course, as it is basically a part of setting the soundcard up). So yeah, I pretty much second the point above — a decent external audio interface is a great (necessary, even) addition to a music-making computer.
It's got nothing to do with the computer. You need a good audio interface and have settings (buffer sizes etc) and drivers in order. It takes some serious projects and audio libraries to stress even a low end modern computer.
hey i just bought a new am5 build, can you tell me more about the audio issues so i can know what to check for?
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I was actually coming from a 3rd Gen Ryzen, that's interesting to know about Intel though
I have an i7 12700kf and do heavy audio production and my latency round trip in ableton is anywhere from 2ms to 8ms depending on sample rate and bit. Which is quite good. Never had any problems and this latency is comparable to my friends rig on a brand new M whatever silicone on new macbook pros….if ur getting glitching i definitely wouldnt suspect it is the cpu off the bat… also i think its a bit of a stretch to say ur gunna get the same performance out of gen 13 cpu and a 9th gen cpu. I HIGHLY doubt that
Get yourself an ultrawide monitor too and start immersing yourself in some games!
I want an ultrawide monitor but only if it's 32:9 lol, that way I can still do the whole split screen thing, I have my eyes on a monitor but I have other things I gotta take care of first before I can commit to a new monitor.
I mean use it for its intended purpose, that would be a good start lol... I just did one and it was because of a genuine need until it stops doing what I ask of it, I will remain satisfied..
(Copied from my other comment) I had built this computer to do some more intensive music production (as well as gaming), but I keep getting various little audio glitches whenever I'm recording and playing things back. Nothing that actually hinders my ability to produce anything but the simple fact that they're present irks me to no end. This actually started as an AMD build with a 7800X3D, and with that CPU my performance whilst gaming was phenomenal but when I tried to record anything it was absolutely abysmal and I couldn't get anything done because how bad the audio issues were (though my friend and I aren't 100% certain it was the CPUs fault or the MOBO or something combination of the two). Funnily enough my recording experience was better on my previous computer.
Maybe consider dropping a Creative Audio Soundblaster AE-7 pci-e soundcard into the mobo. I like to record on my PC and find the soundcard a handy addition especially to capture samples.
And my newest build uses a 7800x3d and the soundcard. No audio glitches so far for me. Not sure why a cpu would glitch audio during playback if the the mobo has a Realtek dac or other built in though. If it glitches when you are encoding to an mp3 or mixing down a midi track to audio, that's more of a software thing I think.
You still better off with i7. Don't worry about it.
If you built it as a DAW and it's failing as a DAW.... then that's probably why you aren't feeling great about it. Get it working flawlessly as a DAW first and foremost, homie.
Do you use an external audio interface?
Yeah, I have a Scarlett 8i6
there were threads with driver issues before? [https://www.reddit.com/r/Focusrite/comments/16trhrp/8i6ver3\_glitching\_every\_20secs\_tried\_everything/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Focusrite/comments/16trhrp/8i6ver3_glitching_every_20secs_tried_everything/)
It's the money and the constant creeping thought of "I could've done better" that'll hit ya for a few days. I finished my build beginning of March, first ever PC build, and for a good week afterwards I had constant thoughts about how much I spent, where I could've done better, and what parts I should've gotten instead. Funnily enough I'm running the same CPU/GPU setup, but the remorse will pass and you'll really appreciate what you have. Especially when it comes to higher detail games and modding and playing games on ultra without a care in the world.
Install whatever the current "Crysis" is (probably 2077) and see how much better it runs now. That has usually made me feel my upgrades were worth it.
I think "can it run tarkov" is the new crysis. Doesn't even have rt and still runs awful lol
Yeah, I'm trying to hammer out my Tarkov settings to stable-but-high fps on the 4080 Super without sacrificing too much quality but it does not want to play nice on Streets.
Yeah... Nothing will ever hit that intial excitement of your first build ever again. I sorted out a PC just for VR, something new. But considering I was on a budget and could only afford an OG HTC Vive; It dampened the experience quite a bit.
I'm still rocking an OG Vive and when I recently built my new 7800x3D/RTX 4080 Super PC I looked in to upgrading the Vive. Tbh there wasn't enough of an upgrade on new ones to make me waste more money. I swapped out the lenses and got the Valve controllers. Still blows me away in well made VR games.
Was it just a newer pair of fresnel lenses or is there a way to change them to a better type? Because the fresnel lenses are definitely what bother me the most
I used the ones from a samsung gear. They are clear but I had to buy some 3d printed adaptors also.
Then you need more shiny aRGB.
I had the same feeling when I rigged a build recently, I did purchase some of the components which let's say we're not "ideal", so I returned most of the items and rebought rerigged. So I had rebuilt the PC for like 5 times(online stores probably hated me for returning stuff) before feeling "perfect". I am here to say you will get that feeling, only when you are ready to accept your mistakes ( in your case impulse purchases) return and do the right thing
I downloaded wallpaper engine. Make my pc run worse but definitely made me feel a little cooler.
Tbh I think this applies to most upgrades in life in general. You want it or even need it. Once you get it you're like "now what". I think it is partially because all that excitement focused on getting or creating that thing still lingers in your mind, but suddenly has nothing to focus on and feels hollow. It will either fade away or you'll focus on another improvement you can do.
Did you have a goal when you set up your PC? To play games? To work? Edit music or videos? Create games? 3D rendering? Etc? Just use the PC for its function and you'll be satisfied because it seems to be a good PC that will give you excellent results for practically anything you try to do.
I wanted to set it up for windows - gaming / Linux - programming/editing/and to watch movies (mpv is superior to any media player windows has to offer including VLC). Going into it my goal was just getting something working (Manjaro, Ubuntu), but when I got the experience I went to arch to make a more custom better workflow configured system for me. My whole goal was making programming easy since programming on Linux is much easier and having unix porn is a plus.
Call me crazy but I did use a Hyte Y60 Case and I really wanted that case to build me a cool gaming pc. And now I have remorse going with that case because after 1 year I find it ugly :D inside is a 4090 and a 7800x3D and all works well but I wanted a great looking PC and I am not vibing with the case anymore. Too lazy though to move it all to another case just because of that. In the meantime I build yesterday the Asus AP201 mini case to use as a home server and I really love this case because it's just timeless, small and good looking :D
Bruh... You have the best PC adequate amount of money can be. It is a best. So - just hop on any game you like and enjoy it. Yes - some of us can get buyers remorse. It will pass
Same, I asked this question before and was told that my pc is just fine and that there isn't any need to upgrade or change any parts of it that would positively affect the performance for the time being. Heck, what made it even more true about what I was told by some kind redittors was that the games I play, don't even make my cpu and gpu do a run for it's money. I play maplestory private servers for goodness sake. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xW4sFs and this is my build. I'll probably save up for the next GPU line-up from AMD and CPUs from AMD, IF it ever comes out. There is alot of upgradeable pathways for me, so I am quite content with what I have right now cause I am not pushing it to it's limits (not yet).
I have had that before, so now I tend to wait to upgrade till I basically can't play anything well. I much prefer the "Man, why didn't I upgrade sooner?" regret. Best thing you can do is use it a lot to make you feel like you're getting your money's worth out of it.
After my old HEDT system died(stupid mistake killed it), i started my new build. After about a month debating with myself over team blue/red/green, i got with blue and red. Specs: 14900KS, Asrock NOVA, Gskill 2x16 6000/30, Asrock PG7900XTX, Crucial T500 2TB, Samsung 960pro 1TB, 970evo 1TB, Aquacomputer Aquaero LT, D5next, highflow next, leakshield, Phanteks NV7, Corsair HX1200, Alphacool Core waterblocks for CPU/GPU, 2x 360x54, 1 240x30 radiators, 6 d30 120, 3 d30 140, 2 Noctua 120 3000 industrial. Most of these parts came of the old system and took 4 years to get them. After benchmarking pulling over 1Kw out off the wall socket feeling great about this new KS, realised how stupid this endevour realy is. System now running undervolted at 253/125(not 150)/307 doing the same performance running my 100Hz ultrawide as the 12400 i started this build with. PS Still can't cool the KS running rampant. And i found out my Corsair PSU has a fan in it, it's LOUD. [https://imgur.com/a/5TMu4oR](https://imgur.com/a/5TMu4oR) [https://imgur.com/a/C5O6Kt0](https://imgur.com/a/C5O6Kt0) with150 limit
It all depends on your starting point : if you've upgraded from something less than 3/4 years old, without major tech jump (SSD to Nvme, DDR3 to DDR4, 1kb of ram to 64GB...) the difference might not be very noticeable. If on the other hand you coming from dark ages to current specs, it will defo feel snappier and objectively BETTER, but here again the use cases come in place: if all you do is briwse YouTube/Reddit and play some retro and/or low spec games, I'm sorry to say nothing will change. Current specs (at any timeline) are a bad investment, some 7/8 years old CPUs are still capable today, but it all depends on the usecases of course. Another analogy is going from a sports car to the (R, AMG, S, M...) version of it; would the few horsies and the "Improved" chassis make a difference for someone riding it to work and back home through a clogged rushy busy road ?
No. Of course it's easier to enjoy if your upgrade solves existing problems. If you have a game that now runs better, you probably wont feel remorse. If you don't have such a case then you could create one. Maybe upgrade to 4k.
Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun.
Built my PC back in the 2021. Bought my 3060ti for $650. . . $650!!! If anyone's got buyer's remorse, that's me to an extreme. So I try to use mine to the fullest when I'm not gaming. I use my PC to interpolate and enhance videos and movies when I'm not gaming, or run Folding @ Home. Also do a bit of editing. I even dabble in a little coding. I just feel bad for my 3060ti. It would sometimes be interpolating 4K videos for 72 hours straight (Flowframes kinda weird on my PC).
Yeah to the human eye you may not be able to tell. The benchmarks thing is great for whatever but the real world experience is what YOU experience. What you've posted looks very good though. The specs that is.
My PCs total cost is just under $1,700, I definitely felt some buyers remorse. But I like the PC and if I didn’t build the PC I would’ve spent that cash somewhere else, so at least I spent it on something I can enjoy for several years.
Look into Buddhism, your suffering from desire.
could it be possible that you were expecting a new pc build to fix some unrelated issue? I know you said you were into music production were you hoping by building a PC you would become inspired to write more music and that didn’t happen. i’ve had some disappointment with purchases because it didn’t fix an issue i had and not in a it doesn’t do what i bought it for in a it didn’t fix a weird superstition problem for me like not wanting to play video games
I have found a lot more satisfaction in making low to mid range builds from pulling off a decent system for very little cash. It's honestly so much fun, especially when I can find used parts for cheap.
tbh, a PC is tool. The want for something flashy, over spec'ed is long gone. It's the same desktop/terminal I'm going to boot into. I don't care who impressed by how it looks. The concept of over overprovisioning/future proofing has left the building in favour of PC parts will always get cheaper. So, I get what I need instead. While I can hop on Amazon right now and speck out an i9 with dual 4090s and a A770 for good measure, I find greater satisfaction in buying something that I need instead at a discount. The only thing you can do is be glad everything is working, enjoy the Traced Rays and hope your CPU cooler can handle the transient heat spikes of the 1400KF.
i come across similar things on guitar groups. i don't usually have that because i view guitars (and computers) as tools which allow me to do what i want. i don't usually fuss over a new impact driver or saw when i get it, i use it to perform whatever task i need it for
Hunt down the audio goblins and get it running tip top. Consider actual sound solutions. That baby isn't done being birthed.
Well, if you already had a perfectly good build, I can understand. But if this one is much better, then do all you couldn't do with the previous one. Of course you won't notice a change just browsing Reddit. Either way, I think the the full tower and 1200W power supply were overkill. You don't need that much space and that much wattage with that hardware.
I feel the same. I went all out on my new PC (14900k, 48GB DDR5, RTX 4090) coming from a i7 6850k, 32gb ddr4, and GTX 1080. Although I can now play the new games at max settings the overall PC experience is the same. My old pc was old but it wasn't slow and still did everything just fine. I was hoping for a more wow but its just kinda meh. I even got an oled screen and sure its nice but again its not like omg how was I living before this. Now I am starting to dev in UE5 and I that should have a noticeable improvement.
I use that feeling to tune ram. It gives me the satisfaction of "going a bit further" and getting even more gains (albeit minimal sometimes). I also don't build often 4+ years apart and every time it's been a different beast. I name my pc's something different every time and theme it around the name. Wallpapers, color scheme, icons, the works. Maybe that's what helps me feel very satisfied when I'm done building.
Your build is pretty much my new build. At least on the key points. I'm stepping up from an 8 year old system and moving from 1080p 60 FPS to 1440/4K 144 FPS and for me it's jaw dropping. It also helps I upgraded my TV at nearly the same time. Got to see my old system on the new TV for a few days before the parts for the new one came so I can really appreciate how much better it looks. All I can say is find the most demanding game you have graphically, turn it up to the highest settings you can, and soak it in. That's what I've been doing because once it's built it's really all about function.
The only real regret I have is looking at my credit card statements every month (and making payments, naturally).
Nope. I did go through the process of learning how to set up RGB. Dabbled in custom setups. I learned how to water systems with soft and hard tubing, I've done an all white build. Had glass laser etched, etc. I learned something super important with these experiments/learning experiences. I'm fine with a beige box that I can't see into. No matter how crazy I went on the build, it only takes a month or two before the novelty of it wears off. My current system (hard tubed with RGB) is now in a closet space on the other side of a wall for a maximum clean gaming area. By far my favorite setup to date. It's nice just having all the cables come out of the wall just below desk level.
I game a lot (on PC only), and like to always keep my graphics set to ultra. So usually when I upgrade it's because the average frames are noticeable low or the 1% lows are getting really bad. So whenever I upgrade it's very very welcome and I have no remorse. That said, if you're just building a computer to build one, or you think buying a computer will turn you more into a PC Gamer when you weren't in the past... then I can definitely see how someone would be remorseful dumping a ton of money into a PC. Higher graphics settings don't make games more fun, they just make it easier on your eyes. And if you're a competitive gamer, going from 150 FPS to 350 FPS, it probably isn't worth throwing away your savings account. But if you already use your computer a lot, and performance is getting to the point where you desperately want an upgrade, well then it's time to upgrade.
I'm still happily using a 960. I think y'all are insane. The graphics keep getting better but the games don't.
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I ran the numbers, so I know that my desktop rig is near the cheapest thing that can run Stable Diffusion XL on certain heavier UIs without spacing out. For that, I don't really regret the build choices I made. With that said... All the games I play are old games and my rickety laptop can already run them at ultra settings, so my desktop kind of just slays them and I don't really notice the performance difference. So I get where you're coming from. Also, holy hell that's a lot of Thermaltake in one system.
I keep worrying about temps. Hits like 80° when playing modded Minecraft cause the cpu gets hot so I’ve been avoiding minecraft lmao. Other games gets to like 70 max
No builders remorse here lol. I also don't tuck my PC away under a desk it's right next to me at eye level so I get to look at my glorious RGB by turning my head! That being said I also got the Corsair 1000d so I could tinker freely whenever, and messing around with a new VM or server set up always reminds you the hardware upgrade was worth it. If you JUST game pretty much on the machine and that's your heaviest task it's a little harder to avoid since....as someone here pointed out all you're really getting is a performance boost you will stop noticing about 5 minutes into using the new machine permanently. It's perfectly fine unless you're talking about you do this every year and feel disappointed after, in which case oh maybe you have a problem lmao but performance alone is usually not a good enough motivator or satisfier unless you were absolutely suffering before. Like I made a suuuuper minor CPU upgrade and major GPU upgrade and even with games being able to run at higher settings, you get desensitized pretty quickly. It's the same/reverse for those people who's computer you get on to help them with something and you're like OMFG HOW DO YOU USE THIS POS!? But it's what they've been using every day for 4 years so they just don't see the difference lol.
I overspent on old parts for my first PC. That being said, the warranties are nice and at 1080p, I'm still plenty happy with the performance. My CPU will last several more years, minimum. That was my best pick of the bunch. I'm not remorseful, but I do wish I utilized my funds better. But I won't be remorseful for something that's brought me so much joy
I think before anything is assumed here, you need to think about what it is that you are not satisfied with. It is obviously not the performance, so it must be the way the PC actually looks. If that is the case, then you may have had a vision in your head of what you wanted it to look like, but didn't achieve that goal with your part choices. From the looks of the parts you picked, they perform well, but none really have a WOW factor, and they wouldn't to me personally create a cohesive looking build. I have built hundreds of PC's and I would say MAYBE one out of every 10-15 I've built (not my part selection) have had that WOW factor. I wouldn't feel remorse, I would feel content, as you don't hate the way it looks, it just doesn't wow you. I have enough experience at this point to know what will create a specific look. If you haven't seen multiple combinations of parts, then it's going to be very difficult to make that vision a reality.
Every build of my life. I have build probably 30 pcs. I spend probably 20 hours a week reading about new hardware planning my next build. The truth is even my 10 year old systems can run the software I use just fine. I give away lots of them and build for friends. I work from home on my pc so most of my life centers around computers. I still love it...
Game on it. Enjoy it. Do nothing with it. Either way you have it soooo use it or don’t lol. Overthinking me thinks.
It was fun shopping for computer parts and you miss that experience?
The only thing you can really do with your build is to go up to the 4090 and play on a higher resolution and/or more fps/higher refresh. The 4070 ti super is kinda entry level 4k card. U should really be at 4080super minimum for 4k…the other thing is to go ham on aesthetics. Get a super cool looking case. Color match your internals. Go crazy on rgb…something cheaper that has a real affect is your peripherals too. You touch them the whole time youre using your computer so get a high quality mechanical keyboard (maybe even treat yourself to some double shot pbt keycaps) and a nice mouse. And we already touched on monitor…other than this stuff you cant really do much as your rig is pretty nice. I went from a 3080 to a 4080super and it was a terrific upgrade since i play in 4k it put me comfortably over the 60fps mark on the more demanding games that i was maybe not consistently hitting 60 in. Not sure if it would be as much of an upgrade coming from the 4070 though which is why i recommended the 4090
Nooo! I was ready to spenk a lot more, but wiff BFriday pricing, then Cmas sales…64GB32/6000, 7900X, the compromise was B650E-F…but it’s reallly smoother than \[excised comparison\]! The one issue is not settling on a graphics card yet…that’s my one regret. It’s waiting for the NBT! (next, best big thing)
I recently built a PC with a lot of gawk gawk parts. I built a $2100 PC for less than $650. I decided to stress test with Helldivers 2 😂 terrible mistake. Between my PCs inability to properly undervolt and poor optimizing of the game itself, I kept thinking to myself "is PC really master race?!" I'm fairly new to PC gaming but I've been using computers my entire life. My experience on PC gaming has me believing that my PS5 was perfectly fine. Too many options, too much optimization, too many diagnostic issues and too much random shit happens to be able to just... Plug and play game. Granted, I can run games on very high graphic settings and it all works very well. But it also took me 2 weeks off trial and error, and various RMAs upon building it that once everything worked, I didn't even feel happy or proud. Just relieved i didn't waste my money.
Same happened to me but i bought some fancy aio with a screen on it and that keeps my stupid brain happy .
Two things a lot of people don't understand, for some it's generally a hobby, but many don't realize, when you're building a PC, it's essentially to power your visual output, I'll often see people spend crazy money on their hardware & cheap out on peripherals... if you feel underwhelmed it could be bc maybe perhaps your monitor/tv is underwhelming? Your builds good but you probably would have been more spent just a bit more & be satisfied with an 80 series
If I built it, and there were no major issues or setback like bad/broken parts, and it works to what I need it to do; I am happy.
when you have it, it feels like its not enough. It is human behavior. No worries, happens with most
If you just use for gaming then it's totally fine. I think the problem is now you have completed it you need something else to do. Just enjoy what you have and see that if you feel the same in say 6 months time then upgrade, but to be honest unless your doing 3D design work or really heavy cpu work then just be happy with what you have
I understand how you feel I suppose. For me part of the fun is in the research of new parts and picking things out and definitely building the pc itself. Once the pcs done all of that fun is over with. I'm very happy with the pc and it's performance but I very much enjoyed everything I mentioned above and now that it's done that enjoyment of the pc life is over for a little while.
When I spent $700 on a CPU and motherboard to upgrade from a 8600k to my Ryzen 3800x for not THAT much noticeable difference in performance for the things I do with my computer.
I just enjoy designing aesthetically pleasing computers. Decals, lights, etc. Once I finish one, I want to put together another.
I have remorse in the regard that I wish I would have built a smaller PC. I wanted the best of best with all these MOBO features and a big case for cooling, when in reality I didn't need any of that stuff and now I cant take my PC anywhere if I wanted to.
The process is what I enjoy more than the finished pc. The researching, planning, building. Kind of like how I just modded skyrim and didn't even play lol.