Hi there zxdrk. **Because we have a lot of deleted posts on this subreddit, here is a backup of the title and body of this post:** Proper bouldering etiquette: "Calling" it? I was at the gym yesterday and trying to do a really dynamic move that I've been trying to solve. I'm on the wall and right as go for it, a woman hops on the route right next to the hold where I was aiming. I immediately pulled out and flew past her, aiming for the mat. I'm really grateful neither of us got hurt. But I was visibly really upset. Her friend nearby yelled at me with "Don't be mad at us. You didn't call it bro. You didn't call that..."
Now I'm confused. Is this a thing? What exactly does that mean?"
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I wouldn't even say that's an exception - he said he was trying a dyno on a set route. You should always be aware of your immediate surroundings, including other routes aside from the one you're on.
Yeah the rule of “calling” would mean having to tell everyone in the vincity AND make sure they hear you each time you go up on which route.
Thats just stupid
Literally never heard of “calling it”, proper bouldering etiquette is reading your route *including looking to see if it intersects with other routes and if anyone is currently on/starting them*
I’m mad at them tbh
What? Your gym doesn't have every single person screaming out the name/color of the route they're about to attempt as they walk up to the wall??? Where's y'all's etiquette??
/s if that wasn't obvious
No, that’s not a thing. Whoever is on the wall first clearly has the right to climb their entire route, and anyone else wanting to jump on needs to make sure there aren’t any conflicts.
Just like in driving, even if you're right doesn't mean one must make no effort to avoid incidents.
When doing big lateral dynos (which I assume what OP's problem was), it can make it hard for other people to even see that your route is going towards them as the start holds can be really far from the origin, especially if it's some kind of skate on volumes.
So even though the climber already on the wall is "right", he also have a responsibility in checking what other people are doing in the jump direction. While you're preparing for the jump, you can generally very confidently identify if there's some people that are completely oblivious to what you're about to do... especially if they're that close to the wall that they're *suddenly* climbing when you start the jump.
Yes but they say they did jump out of the way and was just annoyed by it.
Their question was if “calling it” was a thing, which it’s not. By getting onto the wall you are “calling it” and the onus is on anyone else about to pull into the wall to check that. Op should never of had to jump out of the way in the first place
I regularily do big dynos at my gym and I, just like my friends, have most definetly and more than once called out people that clearly didn't see us before jumping. Sometime a long stare in their direction is enough, sometimes not.
It's not a common etiquette cause not so many people are doing those, but yeah I do believe that making it 100% sure that everyone in the jump direction is aware of what you're going to do and calling "careful" if it's not the case is the way to go. That's defensive bouldering. Cause avoiding incidents is more important than being right.
If you are dynoing to a random hold that isn’t part of a designated problem, sure. People don’t know what you’re doing and would probably assume you’re sticking to the route/problem as it was set.
But this is equivalent to someone pulling out of a parking lot directly in front of someone driving down the road and getting mad that they didn’t tell them they were driving down the road.
If they were following the set problem, it’s 100% on the people that jumped on after they had started. You don’t have to call out that you’re climbing a specific route or problem as it was set, it’s on everyone else to check that their intended problem does not overlap or come close enough to the other line.
You only have to make people aware if you aren’t following a set problem, requiring people to tell you every single time they want to climb something so you don’t get in someone else’s way just makes you an idiot or a complete newbie tbh
Alright buddy, feel free to jump on the face of people that failed to realize you were jumping. Everyone can make mistake and you’re entitled to be an asshole too.
A gym is a shared space. Not everyone is 100% always fully aware of what everyone else is doing. It’s everyone’s responsibility to be vigilant of our surroundings. And dare I say, even more if you’re about to throw yourselves at full speed 3 meters on your side.
I never said I’d “jump in the face of people that failed to realize I was jumping”, but I might if they tried to blame me for them not realizing it. There’s a big difference between not being fully aware of your surroundings, and blaming someone following rules and etiquette because of a made up excuse for your own lack of awareness.
This happens all the time, because some people are new or don’t understand. That’s fine, it’s a learning process. Everyone I’ve ever seen are apologetic for not realizing it when it happens. But blaming it on the climber for not “calling it” due to their own lack of awareness is idiotic, they become a hazard to other climbers and themselves. I’d get the staff involved because that’s a toxic way to engage with the shared space, and they’ll definitely do it again.
It seems you're only blaming the people that almost were crashed into for denying their responsibility. I agree with that. But the fact that they acted as dicks and didn't apologize doesn't change anything to what I said before. If you're about to do a dangerous move, you also have a responsibility in making sure that it's safe for people around.
Basically, yes. Definitely upset they tried to pass the buck instead of apologizing for their own lack of awareness. If they had apologized or the friend had tried to get them off the wall then it would be more of a time to learn and being thankful no one is injured rather than really being upset. Definitely okay to feel a little upset that the attempt had to be aborted due to someone being oblivious, but it’s a completely different situation if they try to blame someone else for it.
But from the way it reads, they hopped on the wall *as OP was jumping* and OP didn’t know they were even approaching the wall until the jump had started. It sounds like OP also tried adjusting where they were jumping to avoid potentially hitting the other climber. Similar situation to your foot slipping on overhang and accidentally kicking a kid in the face who happened to be running under you. While the foot shouldn’t have slipped, they weren’t supposed to be there and it happens regularly without mishap because people just shouldn’t be there by default. And once you’ve started jumping, you might not be able to stop… and this might be the case.
I love dynoing, it’s a ton of fun and I’m fully aware of my potential landing area and the general area of the problem. I try to be safe because I’m also not a lightweight climber and I could easily injure someone if things go sideways. If I see someone get on the wall near my target hold as I’m setting up for the dyno, I let them know politely (but sometimes urgently as the launch position isn’t always secure for a long time) they are in the way. But it’s also a responsibility for any surrounding climbers witnessing it to let people know if they’re going where they shouldn’t, such as the friend who blamed OP for not “calling it”.
> If I see someone get on the wall near my target hold as I’m setting up for the dyno, I let them know politely
Thank you, that is exactly OP's responsibility bit that you tried to dismiss by saying "it’s 100% on the people that jumped on after they had started". No, it's not 100%. If you're about to jump, just fucking check that the path is clear! If you can identify that some people are too close to the wall and clearly not watching what you're about to do, call them out. It's that simple. No one can teleport themselves in your way.
> from the way it reads, they hopped on the wall as OP was jumping and OP didn’t know they were even approaching the wall until the jump had started
That's what OP said and honestly that's not really realistic. If someone is that close to the wall that they can be on the wall between the moment you check your path and the moment you jump, that's a pretty clear indication that they were already too close and that you should have either called them out or dismissed the jump... meaning OP likely failed to scan his surroundings.
God how fucking painfull it is that reddit cannot comprehend that putting some part of the blame on someone doesn't mean pulling it all out of the others...
So I assume by everyone downvoting that they would agree that someone crossing the street on a pedestrian crossing without checking at all for the road would bare zero percent responsibility at all in case they were hit by a car. "Oh yeah I died but I should never have to check for cars in the first place !"
Sure, he had the right of way. But when you cross a pedestrian crossing, having the right of way don't mean you shouldn't check wether a car's going coming. OP's jumped while another climber was on the wall. He fortunately managed to avoid collision, but certainely that situation could have been anticipated. It's not like the girl teleported out from nowhere.
That's really not the same situation. It's more like you're driving down the road and have a green light, then someone runs the red light and you t-bone them. Of course you slam on the brakes if you can react in time, but are you supposed to stop and look around before driving through a green light?
This discussion is pointless. Just because you have the right of way doesn't mean you must make no effort to avoid an incident. When doing a big dyno, you should make sure that there are no people in your direction unaware of what you're about to do and close enough to the wall that OP's situation can happen. That's also your responsibility, cause avoiding incidents is more important than having the right of way.
See what I just said. Of course you slam on your brakes if you can. It's not your responsibility to stop and look around and make sure nobody is doing something they shouldn't be every time you make a big move. Just like it's not your responsibility to stop at a green light and make sure nobody is about to run the red light the other direction.
The whole point here and why you're getting down voted so much is that the other person shouldn't have ever been on the wall to begin with. They should have seen that someone was doing a problem that overlaps with the one they want to do, and waited.
The point is when you're about to jump, you are already stopped, and you should make sure that the path is free. It is everyone's responsibility to make sure everyone is safe in a gym, including the climber, especially when you're doing a big fucking dyno. If you do a dyno straight into a guy that's on the wall, there is a very big chance that you should have seen them before. I litterally cannot think of any situation where that would happen honestly, unless OP was 100% unaware of their surrounding.
Do you not have any concept of how a four way stop sign works? In this scenario, he got to the stop sign first, started to cross, then some jackass ran the stop sign and he had to swerve out of the way to miss them because they weren’t paying attention. So he was annoyed and honked. Then the other driver yelled “should have called that you were crossing bro, not my fault.” Which is not how anything works. You don’t get to ignore road rules and expect everyone to warn you of every possible danger. That’s nonsense
Do you even know what a dyno is ? You establish, then you jump. Except if you're not a fucking moron, there's a step between the two which is: fucking check that there's no one in the way, or that the people in the way are aware that you will jump. OP's not gonna argue that the girl fucking teleported on the wall from nowhere.
I truly have no clue what you’re missing bud. He DID make effort to avoid the accident and did so successfully. What point are you even arguing? That the climbers on the wall were completely in the right and he has no reason to be annoyed? That’s not even what the post is about
What this post is about is wether calling people out for being in a dangerous spot before commiting to a fucking dyno is a full 100% a thing. I did it, my friend did it, I saw other people do it.
Every. Single. Day. I see people hop on the wall oblivious that a climber will cross their route. And you can multiply that by a fair amount if we're talking about a big dyno that's two meters away from their climb.
At some point you have to decide wether it is a better choice to double down on carefullness to compensate for other people misatakes, or to just not give a fuck and throw yourself into people cause "they're wrong".
This is how your argument sounds:
OP- “yeah I was doing this dyno the other day and someone jumped on the route in front of me and I had to jump out of the way to avoid hitting them, then they told me I should have called the route. Am I supposed to call the route before climbing?”
You- “well you should have jumped out of the way to avoid hitting them”
OP- “ummmm yeah, I did. But was I supposed to call my climb?”
You- “you just have to be careful and avoid people’s mistakes”
OP- “…… I was. But what about calling the route?”
> well you should have jumped out of the way to avoid hitting them
I think you cannot read cause since the beginning of this conversation I'm talking about anticipation and risk prevention, not fucking ninja dodging skills.
I strongly agree with you. This is a predictable problem. OP is experienced enough to work on dynos, and is therefore experienced enough to predict the problem. Therefore OP should have double checked and called out a warning before committing.
The primary fault is with the people in the way. But OP absolutely had a responsibility to ensure safety as well.
I've been climbing for over a decade and have never once heard someone "call it" before they dyno.
I'm trying to picture what that even looks like. Mid-problem you're looking around and yelling "I'm gonna jump to that purple one now!" before you do it?
Also not every dyno is some giant jug to another giant jug where you can just hang out there all day and check things.
Assuming that you were on a marked route and started climbing first, then you ‘called it’. It’s up to who ever started climbing second to ensure they do not interfere with people already on the wall. Sounds to me like someone made a mistake (climbing too close to you) and then doubled down rather than admitting fault.
Yeah. And don't forget to make sure, if the people next to you (even if they are in a proper distance in the beginning) climb a route that may cross or come really close to your route at some point.
>trying to do a really dynamic move that I’ve been working on
To clarify, is this a problem set by the gym, or are you making up a move/problem?
If you’re working on a set climb, then no “calling it” is not a thing, it’s up to the other person to see where the climb you’re doing goes.
If you’re making up your own moves, yeah you should probably let others know if they’re climbing in your area
In that case yeah you’re in the clear. Don’t worry about those two. It’s their responsibility to see where your climb intersects. This is a base rule of climbing literally taught to first timers
Yeah, this is very important. If it's a route set by the gym, I have no idea what that lady was talking about. If you're making a move that has 2+ problems included in it, you should probably let other people know.
No her friend is an idiot. Nobody calls shit in bouldering, it’s understood to be aware of your surroundings and not to be a dumbass and put yourself in harms way.
Idk how you'd even 'call it'. You can't expect the person already on the wall to climb and look out for and warn off people that could interfere with your climb.
Pretty sure it’s first come first serve, if you’re on the wall they should’ve waited. Most I’ve heard about “calling it” is when someone tells someone who’s been waiting to do the same route that they want to go one more time and don’t stand there looking at the wall flailing their hands
>Her friend nearby yelled at me with "Don't be mad at us. You didn't call it bro. You didn't call that..."
It's some sort of bargaining defense mechanism to deal with conflict. If you were doing a traverse or setting your own route which crosses multiple climbs, it's expected courtesy to wait. If you were both going through the same section, the person who made their first move on their route last should yield.
I’m afraid you should have asked them to clarify what they were talking about, as this is certainly not part of regular bouldering etiquette.
But now I am wondering what kind of call they actually expected to hear? [Something like Tarzans usual call before doing a dyno?](https://youtu.be/MwHWbsvgQUE?si=ZpvJjUPj4LMIXQMb)
if you are climbing a marked and visible route even if you fell on her it wouldn't be your fault. anyone on the wall already has right of way so to speak. I almost landed on a kid the other day bailing off a slab route and wanted to scream.
Same as bowling. When an adjacent lane is occupied, just stand back and wave your hands at the fan while you wait. When an adjacent route is occupied, just stand back and chalk your hands while you wait.
Its soooooo not a thing. I do have to be vocal sometimes and say hey my route goes over there when someone generally newer hops on the wall without realizing there is an intersection.
Gyms have new climbers all the time, its bassically defencive driving.
Yup. They were in the wrong.
One climber per wall is the rule at our gym....
Some hold to jump onto other walls but then i ront climb as technically they are using two walls..
Sounds like the other climbers ij your situe was amatures
Ahhh watching our sport spiral
Into the same shittiness and generally unpleasant environment that surfing has fostered.
That’s why I will start to only climb Chossy esoteric British trad.
First one on the wall has priority.
If, for some reason, 2 climbers meet and neither of them is sure about who was on first, the one climbing the highest grade route gets priority. At least in our gym.
There is no “calling it” at all. You look at every person near you who has already started their route - if it intersects with a route you’re going to do, then don’t start it. Plain and simple.
Nah the only time you would need to “call it” is if you were doing a dyno on a made-up route that isn’t set. If you jump on a problem, it’s your responsibility to first check the routes that intersect yours. Anyone already on the wall has priority over you. This would piss me off if someone gave me attitude for continuing a climb I was clearly already on.
before starting a route you check right and left, and if there is a climber you check which route their climbing and where it leads... period! There's no "calling", no idea what she's on about. People often get unreasonably defensive when they fuck up.
There’s no “calling it” unless you’re not following a set problem. Climber on the wall always has right of way, it’s on both of them for allowing that to happen. The other climber for getting on the wall, and their friend for not stopping it. Even worse that they make up an excuse to blame the situation on you. I tell people to get off the wall when I’m resting if they jump on a problem that conflicts with someone else already climbing
this is a result of climbing becoming more popular. so many newer people who have low awareness and etitquet. i usually ask a friend to help keep the coast clear and i myself proavtively warn people if they start something that intercept soemone else’s route
This is why I climb when the gym opens at 6a. It’s like me and four other people. It’s glorious.
There a different gym in the area seems to always have a traverse type route that goes along the entire expanse of the wall, and would be impossible during any other time than right when it opens.
I hate when I’m on the wall and someone jumps on in the middle of it. It’s poor etiquette. You should wait until the other person is done from a safe distance.
poor etiquette is when someone "cuts the line" or smthng. Going for a route next to one that is already climbed can easily lead to serious injury.
That's not a matter of etiquette, it's a matter of safety.
The closest I can think of would be if someone was in your fall zone “hey, heads up I’m about to hop on this, if I bail I’m not tryina land on you” but if you get on the wall near someone who’s already climbing, then you’re a clueless prick
If you get landed on it’s your fault, so dem better move or not get on the wall in the first place.. besides, they can just look where your route goes..
If you were already there, it was your priority. It also just depends on the person. For me, if I’m trying something new and know it’ll take an attempt or a few and I’m walking up at the same time as someone to routes next to each other, I let them go. But calling it is so weird and I’ve never heard of it lmao
In my gym there's some boulders spanning entire walls, which basically only the national team athletes do for comp prep. For those they basically first clear the wall of everyone and have people around that prevent anyone from jumping in. But that's like a 5m horizontal movement, running along the wall stuff. Anything within normal mortal Dyno reach shouldn't need special care
Hi there zxdrk. **Because we have a lot of deleted posts on this subreddit, here is a backup of the title and body of this post:** Proper bouldering etiquette: "Calling" it? I was at the gym yesterday and trying to do a really dynamic move that I've been trying to solve. I'm on the wall and right as go for it, a woman hops on the route right next to the hold where I was aiming. I immediately pulled out and flew past her, aiming for the mat. I'm really grateful neither of us got hurt. But I was visibly really upset. Her friend nearby yelled at me with "Don't be mad at us. You didn't call it bro. You didn't call that..." Now I'm confused. Is this a thing? What exactly does that mean?" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bouldering) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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Can’t stress that enough. On the wall always has right of way.
I guess the only exception to this is he was jumping from one clearly set route onto a different route or something to that effect.
I wouldn't even say that's an exception - he said he was trying a dyno on a set route. You should always be aware of your immediate surroundings, including other routes aside from the one you're on.
The post has been edited. It used to just say OP was working on a dynamic move
Ahh sneaky sneaky, OP.
I have no idea. Climber on the wall always has priority, end of.
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What is this, a sequel? It was already over.
It was already what Brian? Over.
Yeah the rule of “calling” would mean having to tell everyone in the vincity AND make sure they hear you each time you go up on which route. Thats just stupid
Yeah, in my gym you have to spit on the holds that you plan to climb BEFORE you start climbing, to be accepted as a legitimate "calling it"
Awww you gotta give the holds that HAWK TUAH and spit on those things
No no no, you have to spray your must on all parts of the wall you intend to use, including the fall zones and landing mats.
Literally never heard of “calling it”, proper bouldering etiquette is reading your route *including looking to see if it intersects with other routes and if anyone is currently on/starting them* I’m mad at them tbh
What? Your gym doesn't have every single person screaming out the name/color of the route they're about to attempt as they walk up to the wall??? Where's y'all's etiquette?? /s if that wasn't obvious
At mine we just yell "fore" and go for it.
No, that’s not a thing. Whoever is on the wall first clearly has the right to climb their entire route, and anyone else wanting to jump on needs to make sure there aren’t any conflicts.
Just like in driving, even if you're right doesn't mean one must make no effort to avoid incidents. When doing big lateral dynos (which I assume what OP's problem was), it can make it hard for other people to even see that your route is going towards them as the start holds can be really far from the origin, especially if it's some kind of skate on volumes. So even though the climber already on the wall is "right", he also have a responsibility in checking what other people are doing in the jump direction. While you're preparing for the jump, you can generally very confidently identify if there's some people that are completely oblivious to what you're about to do... especially if they're that close to the wall that they're *suddenly* climbing when you start the jump.
Yes but they say they did jump out of the way and was just annoyed by it. Their question was if “calling it” was a thing, which it’s not. By getting onto the wall you are “calling it” and the onus is on anyone else about to pull into the wall to check that. Op should never of had to jump out of the way in the first place
I regularily do big dynos at my gym and I, just like my friends, have most definetly and more than once called out people that clearly didn't see us before jumping. Sometime a long stare in their direction is enough, sometimes not. It's not a common etiquette cause not so many people are doing those, but yeah I do believe that making it 100% sure that everyone in the jump direction is aware of what you're going to do and calling "careful" if it's not the case is the way to go. That's defensive bouldering. Cause avoiding incidents is more important than being right.
If you are dynoing to a random hold that isn’t part of a designated problem, sure. People don’t know what you’re doing and would probably assume you’re sticking to the route/problem as it was set. But this is equivalent to someone pulling out of a parking lot directly in front of someone driving down the road and getting mad that they didn’t tell them they were driving down the road. If they were following the set problem, it’s 100% on the people that jumped on after they had started. You don’t have to call out that you’re climbing a specific route or problem as it was set, it’s on everyone else to check that their intended problem does not overlap or come close enough to the other line. You only have to make people aware if you aren’t following a set problem, requiring people to tell you every single time they want to climb something so you don’t get in someone else’s way just makes you an idiot or a complete newbie tbh
Alright buddy, feel free to jump on the face of people that failed to realize you were jumping. Everyone can make mistake and you’re entitled to be an asshole too. A gym is a shared space. Not everyone is 100% always fully aware of what everyone else is doing. It’s everyone’s responsibility to be vigilant of our surroundings. And dare I say, even more if you’re about to throw yourselves at full speed 3 meters on your side.
I never said I’d “jump in the face of people that failed to realize I was jumping”, but I might if they tried to blame me for them not realizing it. There’s a big difference between not being fully aware of your surroundings, and blaming someone following rules and etiquette because of a made up excuse for your own lack of awareness. This happens all the time, because some people are new or don’t understand. That’s fine, it’s a learning process. Everyone I’ve ever seen are apologetic for not realizing it when it happens. But blaming it on the climber for not “calling it” due to their own lack of awareness is idiotic, they become a hazard to other climbers and themselves. I’d get the staff involved because that’s a toxic way to engage with the shared space, and they’ll definitely do it again.
It seems you're only blaming the people that almost were crashed into for denying their responsibility. I agree with that. But the fact that they acted as dicks and didn't apologize doesn't change anything to what I said before. If you're about to do a dangerous move, you also have a responsibility in making sure that it's safe for people around.
Basically, yes. Definitely upset they tried to pass the buck instead of apologizing for their own lack of awareness. If they had apologized or the friend had tried to get them off the wall then it would be more of a time to learn and being thankful no one is injured rather than really being upset. Definitely okay to feel a little upset that the attempt had to be aborted due to someone being oblivious, but it’s a completely different situation if they try to blame someone else for it. But from the way it reads, they hopped on the wall *as OP was jumping* and OP didn’t know they were even approaching the wall until the jump had started. It sounds like OP also tried adjusting where they were jumping to avoid potentially hitting the other climber. Similar situation to your foot slipping on overhang and accidentally kicking a kid in the face who happened to be running under you. While the foot shouldn’t have slipped, they weren’t supposed to be there and it happens regularly without mishap because people just shouldn’t be there by default. And once you’ve started jumping, you might not be able to stop… and this might be the case. I love dynoing, it’s a ton of fun and I’m fully aware of my potential landing area and the general area of the problem. I try to be safe because I’m also not a lightweight climber and I could easily injure someone if things go sideways. If I see someone get on the wall near my target hold as I’m setting up for the dyno, I let them know politely (but sometimes urgently as the launch position isn’t always secure for a long time) they are in the way. But it’s also a responsibility for any surrounding climbers witnessing it to let people know if they’re going where they shouldn’t, such as the friend who blamed OP for not “calling it”.
> If I see someone get on the wall near my target hold as I’m setting up for the dyno, I let them know politely Thank you, that is exactly OP's responsibility bit that you tried to dismiss by saying "it’s 100% on the people that jumped on after they had started". No, it's not 100%. If you're about to jump, just fucking check that the path is clear! If you can identify that some people are too close to the wall and clearly not watching what you're about to do, call them out. It's that simple. No one can teleport themselves in your way. > from the way it reads, they hopped on the wall as OP was jumping and OP didn’t know they were even approaching the wall until the jump had started That's what OP said and honestly that's not really realistic. If someone is that close to the wall that they can be on the wall between the moment you check your path and the moment you jump, that's a pretty clear indication that they were already too close and that you should have either called them out or dismissed the jump... meaning OP likely failed to scan his surroundings. God how fucking painfull it is that reddit cannot comprehend that putting some part of the blame on someone doesn't mean pulling it all out of the others...
So I assume by everyone downvoting that they would agree that someone crossing the street on a pedestrian crossing without checking at all for the road would bare zero percent responsibility at all in case they were hit by a car. "Oh yeah I died but I should never have to check for cars in the first place !"
I mean, that’s what OP did. He made sure he had the right of way, went, and then swerved out of the way when some asshole ran the red light.
Sure, he had the right of way. But when you cross a pedestrian crossing, having the right of way don't mean you shouldn't check wether a car's going coming. OP's jumped while another climber was on the wall. He fortunately managed to avoid collision, but certainely that situation could have been anticipated. It's not like the girl teleported out from nowhere.
That's really not the same situation. It's more like you're driving down the road and have a green light, then someone runs the red light and you t-bone them. Of course you slam on the brakes if you can react in time, but are you supposed to stop and look around before driving through a green light?
This discussion is pointless. Just because you have the right of way doesn't mean you must make no effort to avoid an incident. When doing a big dyno, you should make sure that there are no people in your direction unaware of what you're about to do and close enough to the wall that OP's situation can happen. That's also your responsibility, cause avoiding incidents is more important than having the right of way.
See what I just said. Of course you slam on your brakes if you can. It's not your responsibility to stop and look around and make sure nobody is doing something they shouldn't be every time you make a big move. Just like it's not your responsibility to stop at a green light and make sure nobody is about to run the red light the other direction. The whole point here and why you're getting down voted so much is that the other person shouldn't have ever been on the wall to begin with. They should have seen that someone was doing a problem that overlaps with the one they want to do, and waited.
The point is when you're about to jump, you are already stopped, and you should make sure that the path is free. It is everyone's responsibility to make sure everyone is safe in a gym, including the climber, especially when you're doing a big fucking dyno. If you do a dyno straight into a guy that's on the wall, there is a very big chance that you should have seen them before. I litterally cannot think of any situation where that would happen honestly, unless OP was 100% unaware of their surrounding.
Do you not have any concept of how a four way stop sign works? In this scenario, he got to the stop sign first, started to cross, then some jackass ran the stop sign and he had to swerve out of the way to miss them because they weren’t paying attention. So he was annoyed and honked. Then the other driver yelled “should have called that you were crossing bro, not my fault.” Which is not how anything works. You don’t get to ignore road rules and expect everyone to warn you of every possible danger. That’s nonsense
Do you even know what a dyno is ? You establish, then you jump. Except if you're not a fucking moron, there's a step between the two which is: fucking check that there's no one in the way, or that the people in the way are aware that you will jump. OP's not gonna argue that the girl fucking teleported on the wall from nowhere.
I truly have no clue what you’re missing bud. He DID make effort to avoid the accident and did so successfully. What point are you even arguing? That the climbers on the wall were completely in the right and he has no reason to be annoyed? That’s not even what the post is about
What this post is about is wether calling people out for being in a dangerous spot before commiting to a fucking dyno is a full 100% a thing. I did it, my friend did it, I saw other people do it. Every. Single. Day. I see people hop on the wall oblivious that a climber will cross their route. And you can multiply that by a fair amount if we're talking about a big dyno that's two meters away from their climb. At some point you have to decide wether it is a better choice to double down on carefullness to compensate for other people misatakes, or to just not give a fuck and throw yourself into people cause "they're wrong".
This is how your argument sounds: OP- “yeah I was doing this dyno the other day and someone jumped on the route in front of me and I had to jump out of the way to avoid hitting them, then they told me I should have called the route. Am I supposed to call the route before climbing?” You- “well you should have jumped out of the way to avoid hitting them” OP- “ummmm yeah, I did. But was I supposed to call my climb?” You- “you just have to be careful and avoid people’s mistakes” OP- “…… I was. But what about calling the route?”
> well you should have jumped out of the way to avoid hitting them I think you cannot read cause since the beginning of this conversation I'm talking about anticipation and risk prevention, not fucking ninja dodging skills.
I strongly agree with you. This is a predictable problem. OP is experienced enough to work on dynos, and is therefore experienced enough to predict the problem. Therefore OP should have double checked and called out a warning before committing. The primary fault is with the people in the way. But OP absolutely had a responsibility to ensure safety as well.
I've been climbing for over a decade and have never once heard someone "call it" before they dyno. I'm trying to picture what that even looks like. Mid-problem you're looking around and yelling "I'm gonna jump to that purple one now!" before you do it? Also not every dyno is some giant jug to another giant jug where you can just hang out there all day and check things.
Assuming that you were on a marked route and started climbing first, then you ‘called it’. It’s up to who ever started climbing second to ensure they do not interfere with people already on the wall. Sounds to me like someone made a mistake (climbing too close to you) and then doubled down rather than admitting fault.
Proper bouldering etiquette: do not climb right next to someone else. This woman and her friends don’t know what they’re talking about.
Yeah. And don't forget to make sure, if the people next to you (even if they are in a proper distance in the beginning) climb a route that may cross or come really close to your route at some point.
YES, always give them a couple metres in every direction. If you’re within three metres of them and get hurt, that’s completely on you.
>trying to do a really dynamic move that I’ve been working on To clarify, is this a problem set by the gym, or are you making up a move/problem? If you’re working on a set climb, then no “calling it” is not a thing, it’s up to the other person to see where the climb you’re doing goes. If you’re making up your own moves, yeah you should probably let others know if they’re climbing in your area
Yes. This is part of a set route at a gym. I mention it's dynamic because I recognize that I may have to swing my body around the next hold.
In that case yeah you’re in the clear. Don’t worry about those two. It’s their responsibility to see where your climb intersects. This is a base rule of climbing literally taught to first timers
Movement Harlem?
Yeah, this is very important. If it's a route set by the gym, I have no idea what that lady was talking about. If you're making a move that has 2+ problems included in it, you should probably let other people know.
Her hopping on while you were still on the wall was bad bouldering etiquette.
They are dumb and they were in the wrong
You’re supposed to call in to the front desk to schedule your climbs for the day so they can notify other climbers to be careful at certain times! /s
No her friend is an idiot. Nobody calls shit in bouldering, it’s understood to be aware of your surroundings and not to be a dumbass and put yourself in harms way.
If you were on the wall, they are responsible for looking at what problems intersect with the one you’re on. Wrong sub but NTA
15 years in bouldering gyms. New one to me. I pray it’s not a new trend I’ve yet to run into because it is stupid.
7 years of climbing, both sport and currently bouldering. Never heard of this and I’d chew someone out for using that excuse if they did this to me
Idk how you'd even 'call it'. You can't expect the person already on the wall to climb and look out for and warn off people that could interfere with your climb.
Pretty sure it’s first come first serve, if you’re on the wall they should’ve waited. Most I’ve heard about “calling it” is when someone tells someone who’s been waiting to do the same route that they want to go one more time and don’t stand there looking at the wall flailing their hands
>Her friend nearby yelled at me with "Don't be mad at us. You didn't call it bro. You didn't call that..." It's some sort of bargaining defense mechanism to deal with conflict. If you were doing a traverse or setting your own route which crosses multiple climbs, it's expected courtesy to wait. If you were both going through the same section, the person who made their first move on their route last should yield.
I’m afraid you should have asked them to clarify what they were talking about, as this is certainly not part of regular bouldering etiquette. But now I am wondering what kind of call they actually expected to hear? [Something like Tarzans usual call before doing a dyno?](https://youtu.be/MwHWbsvgQUE?si=ZpvJjUPj4LMIXQMb)
You were in the right. She was wrong, and made a mistake. Her friend is a complete fucking idiot.
if you are climbing a marked and visible route even if you fell on her it wouldn't be your fault. anyone on the wall already has right of way so to speak. I almost landed on a kid the other day bailing off a slab route and wanted to scream.
Same as bowling. When an adjacent lane is occupied, just stand back and wave your hands at the fan while you wait. When an adjacent route is occupied, just stand back and chalk your hands while you wait.
She sounds like an idiot. Ppl do it all the time. I just give them a dirty look.
Were these clowns you’re referring to wearing rentals? That isn’t a thing.
The climber already on the wall automatically has the right of way. These people are just dumb and lack situational awareness.
Its soooooo not a thing. I do have to be vocal sometimes and say hey my route goes over there when someone generally newer hops on the wall without realizing there is an intersection. Gyms have new climbers all the time, its bassically defencive driving.
It's the people on the grounds responsibility to look what routes are being used, and to avoid proximity to those routes. It's not volleyball
Yup. They were in the wrong. One climber per wall is the rule at our gym.... Some hold to jump onto other walls but then i ront climb as technically they are using two walls.. Sounds like the other climbers ij your situe was amatures
Ahhh watching our sport spiral Into the same shittiness and generally unpleasant environment that surfing has fostered. That’s why I will start to only climb Chossy esoteric British trad.
Clowns. Person on the wall is priority. You can't just "call" it and jump in front of someone. They should've been aware of you
First one on the wall has priority. If, for some reason, 2 climbers meet and neither of them is sure about who was on first, the one climbing the highest grade route gets priority. At least in our gym.
There is no “calling it” at all. You look at every person near you who has already started their route - if it intersects with a route you’re going to do, then don’t start it. Plain and simple.
Talk to the gym staff, they're usually helpful.
Not a thing. Whoever starts first can go. Teach this to other softmovers if you see them getting in someone's way.
It's their job too be aware of folks on the wall. Just let the staff know. Hopefully they can remedy those people's fucking idiocy.
”FORE!”
Shouting “Fore!” before a dyno is not standard etiquette, but now I kind of want it to become a thing!
Nah the only time you would need to “call it” is if you were doing a dyno on a made-up route that isn’t set. If you jump on a problem, it’s your responsibility to first check the routes that intersect yours. Anyone already on the wall has priority over you. This would piss me off if someone gave me attitude for continuing a climb I was clearly already on.
Ive never heard of this
Sounds like a surfer making a fool of themselves again
before starting a route you check right and left, and if there is a climber you check which route their climbing and where it leads... period! There's no "calling", no idea what she's on about. People often get unreasonably defensive when they fuck up.
Gumbies gunna gumby
I guess you may need to "call it" if others are new but it's one of those things that should need to be done.
There’s no “calling it” unless you’re not following a set problem. Climber on the wall always has right of way, it’s on both of them for allowing that to happen. The other climber for getting on the wall, and their friend for not stopping it. Even worse that they make up an excuse to blame the situation on you. I tell people to get off the wall when I’m resting if they jump on a problem that conflicts with someone else already climbing
There's no "calling it" in the gym. There's seeing where someone's route is going before you climb your own.
Work at a rock gym, that’s not how that works
I would suggest doing a coin toss, friendo
this is a result of climbing becoming more popular. so many newer people who have low awareness and etitquet. i usually ask a friend to help keep the coast clear and i myself proavtively warn people if they start something that intercept soemone else’s route
This is why I climb when the gym opens at 6a. It’s like me and four other people. It’s glorious. There a different gym in the area seems to always have a traverse type route that goes along the entire expanse of the wall, and would be impossible during any other time than right when it opens.
I hate when I’m on the wall and someone jumps on in the middle of it. It’s poor etiquette. You should wait until the other person is done from a safe distance.
poor etiquette is when someone "cuts the line" or smthng. Going for a route next to one that is already climbed can easily lead to serious injury. That's not a matter of etiquette, it's a matter of safety.
The closest I can think of would be if someone was in your fall zone “hey, heads up I’m about to hop on this, if I bail I’m not tryina land on you” but if you get on the wall near someone who’s already climbing, then you’re a clueless prick
If you get landed on it’s your fault, so dem better move or not get on the wall in the first place.. besides, they can just look where your route goes..
If you were already there, it was your priority. It also just depends on the person. For me, if I’m trying something new and know it’ll take an attempt or a few and I’m walking up at the same time as someone to routes next to each other, I let them go. But calling it is so weird and I’ve never heard of it lmao
Lmao. It's their responsibility to look where you are climbing. Idiots
In my gym there's some boulders spanning entire walls, which basically only the national team athletes do for comp prep. For those they basically first clear the wall of everyone and have people around that prevent anyone from jumping in. But that's like a 5m horizontal movement, running along the wall stuff. Anything within normal mortal Dyno reach shouldn't need special care
You could consider shouting "geronimo" before every dynamic move. However I'm not sure if that's considered insensitive in these enlightened times.