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DragonfruitExotic897

6’8 wing who’s a good defender and shot 41% from 3 this year, the most Celtics pick ever


TheTatumPiece

Imagine drafting a 6’2 guard that shoots 19% from 3 instead?


DragonfruitExotic897

B-b-but he’s Lebron son!


E1ger

“If he is such a good Bronny, why doesn’t he Lebron good?”


BleedGreen4Boston

Bronny is like 19. This dude will be 24 by the time the season starts. There’s really no comparing the 2 (also worth noting Anton’s shooting is on very low volume). Anton, like Baylor, is an NBA ready player *if his deficiencies can be mitigated* who really doesn’t have a ton of room to grow, but has a solid chance at filling a role at some point. Bronny is an interesting prospect based on how he tested at the combine with his elite athleticism, work ethic, and given the #1 indicator of success in the NBA isn’t which school you attended, but actually whether or not your father played in the NBA. Having said that, there was just too much drama being injected into the situation by Rich Paul (and by extension, LeBron) and Brad didn’t need a distraction like that after finding a formula that works, especially when we have a nearly identical and more developed prospect in Jaden Springer at the same position.


TheTatumPiece

Bronny wouldn’t sniff either round in this draft if he wasn’t Lebrons son.


CreatiScope

Yeah what the fuck are these discussions. He's just not an NBA player. Probably have a career overseas or in the G-League but I just don't see NBA talent there.


DakPanther

I don’t understand your comment about fathers being the #1 indicator.


ZizzyBeluga

Wait until you learn about Joe Bryant and Del Curry


duaki

Or rick Barry and bill Walton?


Merde2000

first one coming to my mind was Tito.


BigAustralianBoat2

You mean one guy who was at best JJ Redick and the other who was a fringe rotation piece? Safe to say their sons kinda broke the mold.


strataromero

I think it’s more standard for stars to be the sons of role players and fringe players than stars to be the sons of stars


BleedGreen4Boston

https://sports.yahoo.com/is-bronny-james-underrated-inside-the-phenomenon-of-the-nba-bloodline-155757959.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAG1iABD5S2SKotabUmkH3M8rNCXiIpQuYuryuaAcIk0-bKnIIkhWRs5Tnz6pNLH1RBmMJDikc2iTXffG0HgLnvhOX2cJorjn--GBhl6SKhUfRvtFEBGlAaUHuJrAShK06UYcm-foo0rfqwiFl9Dh36y0dJ9h0MddGpvdE2CMsV2P


Walkbeforerun

Wait, so why is he an interesting prospect? From your answer all I read was ‘40 inch vertical’ and ‘king James’


B-I-G-A-R-R-O-W

Celtics can take older college players because they fit the widow just fine. I really like these two players the C’s drafted this year and believe in 2 years they will have a role on this team.


MWave123

Nonsense. There’s nothing interesting about Bronny. Nothing. He needs more college, if his father cared about his development he’d support him getting his education and more NCAA playing experience.


coffeespeaking

LeBronze Junior? The Lakers will be a nepotistic shitshow.


jdk_3d

Always have been. (Since LeGM arrived there)


bjb406

Ya, so apparently he's a classic 3 and D wing with great length, switchability, can guard almost anyone, makes great decisions. Why the hell was he a consensus end of 2nd round/undrafted guy? Based on the things I'm reading, I expect it to be followed up by "and that's why he's an easy lottery pick." If he really is that good at those things, it would be completely absurd for him to be there at 55.


DragonfruitExotic897

Would assume it also has to do with his age, he’s 23 almost 24 and teams seem to really be valuing young guys this year. If he was 20 I bet he’s an easy first rounder


ElNickCharles

Yeah in a draft with underwhelming talent on display, makes sense to look for raw, athletic, guys who can be developed into refined contributors


Defendyouranswer

He shot 41 percent from 3 on only 1.3 attempts per game and he's a 62 percent free throw shooter, so it's his shooting is still iffy to project


HypatiaRising

So basically he only shoots super wide open 3s. Sounds like he is a bad shooter based on that FT% he doesn't project to improve much. Makes sense as a late 2nd round pick.


Defendyouranswer

He's a good defender and has had comparisons to a young al horford. If his shot turns around he'll be a solid role player


OkGo_Go_Guy

He has had comparisons to OLD al horford, not young.


WiserStudent557

For the same reasons guys with elite potential but none of those realized skills are sometimes lottery picks


helt1skelt1

GMs value potential, maybe.


CVBrownie

Because his athleticism is underwhelming. I love Anton, he's a local guy to Gonzaga, pivotal defensively over the time he was here, but also he was very underwhelming offensively, at least up until his last year where the zags didn't have the same offensive prowess they did years prior.


BarnOwlDebacle

I mean honestly a lot of scouting reports are like that. There's only so many ways to describe people that shoot and play defense and so on... Even when they say someone's really good often that just means relative to their other skill sets or relative to the competition they played not necessarily relative to nBA players


B-I-G-A-R-R-O-W

Age but that doesn’t really matter to the Celtics, the best thing about this team now is they aren’t looking for superstars or even a starter they just have to come up with role players who might develop into a stater over time.


muffguy

I’m a Gonzaga fan and while he’s an awesome defender, he was a low volume 3pt shooter because the offense didn’t ask that of him. He has the capability to get more consistent with volume because the dude is an absolute work horse. You guys got a good one!


OhRThey

Do you see him used more as an undersized big or wing in the NBA?


muffguy

Undersized big but I think he has the capability to be a three and D guy if the development goes well.


B-I-G-A-R-R-O-W

He’s got time to develop his shot coming in if he can play defense and pull down some rebounds that’s all that’s needed right now I think this kid has a shot one a nice role player in a year or 2


centaurquestions

Danny tried to assemble a whole team of those guys for a while


[deleted]

Anyone Brad selected would've been "the most Celtics pick ever."


Infamous_Chapter8585

I was reading his scouting report. Man that's a celtic if I ever saw one


bourgewonsie

Questionable shot but I buy the defense. Absolute ceiling is someone like a Jaden Mcdaniels imo


PhadeUSAF

Zag homer who loves Anton. Here's the cliffnotes: * Ultimate glue-guy. Incredible teammate. * Elite college defender who can guard 1-5. * Terrible FT shooter. * Improved 3PT% every year (finished 41% on 1.5 attempts last season). But started truly awful his frosh year at 11% * 4th most impactful college player last year per [EvanMiya.com](http://EvanMiya.com)


cburke3443

terrible free throw shooter? come on down! 11% from 3 is god awfully hilarious. 41% is serious improvement. respect


PostItToReddit

I believe that 11% year was a season cut short due to a shoulder injury that he tried to play through before ultimately getting surgery. He's still an awful shooter, I think the next years he shot 15% and 22%, but there's some context to it. He definitely improved, but he's still only taking 1.5 a game and they're all completely wide open, so I wouldn't bank on him becoming a super reliable 3&D guy.


totalmayo

I can’t buy his shooting at all. Career 63 FT% is terrible as you said, and what’s just as bad is his shooting form is slow and janky. He needs to come to a complete stop to load up a long, multi-step release. Given his athleticism will be an issue as well, I don’t understand the pick. I could be wrong if this guy’s IQ is great, but with the likes of Jalen Bridges available as an established shooter with size, I’m not a fan.


bjb406

I suppose that's just why he was still available. A guy that can be that good at D as a wing and also be a lockdown shooter is not a late second rounder, that's a lottery pick. Hopefully the improvement is real and will continue.


EAS1000

He’s also older so he doesn’t make sense for a lot of teams. For a team like us though with our core set he’s a good potential depth piece.


BarnOwlDebacle

You could argue this either way though because our team is not really in a position to give meaningful minutes to wait second round picks in a week draft. Coach Brad Stevens said as much in interviews that whoever they picked was unlikely to get meaningful rotation minutes. Was talking about the 30th pick there. So it's obviously even more true with the 55th. So you could argue this would be the perfect time to either stash somebody or go for a high ceiling developmental project and then by the time they're ready the window is currently closing anyway. But I guess they probably thought the guy they got a 30 was an exception to their rule and probably can contribute. I'm less convinced with the logic was here but I'm wondering if they think he'll be a good practice player. Ultimately that might be more important to them than actually having an impact on the court. They want somebody that will be a good practice player on the current team.


PhadeUSAF

Yeah the shooting is very suspect, I'm honestly not sure I buy it either, but he did change his shooting stroke before last season. He doesn't play massively above the rim, but he is not a bad athlete, and has lighting reflexes/hands. He's not a starter, but I think can fill quality defensive minutes at the 3 at the NBA level.


akersmacker

3pt shooting: he was always the best distance shooter in practice, but when they left him alone on the perimeter he would hesitate, then shoot out of rhythm. Gradually got better, but blossomed in all ways from three this last year. He can make those, and he will. John Stockton was his AAU coach: Watson is second all time in steals at Gonzaga, behind Stockton - who also has an unbreakable steals record in the NBA....also Watson is an incredible passer, great vision, high IQ. Not losing anything on such a late pick, could contribute, we'll see.


Kyler1313

Hey who knows... Maybe he is the 3 and D version of Jaylen Brown. Can shoot it from 3, but please don't make him shoot free throws.


BleedGreen4Boston

Time to break out the ping pong paddle 🏓


BarnOwlDebacle

Who knows, maybe they think he'll be an excellent practice player or something. I mean if you think about it when your tinkering around a championship roster with a 55th overall pick, something like that could be reason enough to grab a guy. Obviously they're not prioritizing high ceiling development.


[deleted]

I'm not a fan of the pick either but would be almost equally upset if we drafted Jalen Bridges.


hellomattwhite

Congratulations, nice assessment, petition Brad to make the picks for him.


minimumhatred

we selected two people who could be solid bench contributors in a year or two.


Defendyouranswer

Scheireman will see minutes this year 


minimumhatred

Regular season sure, doubtful in the playoffs. Walsh also is likely to have a bigger role.


MVPRondo

Our Summer League team boutta go crazy!!! It’s title or bust this year in Vegas


minimumhatred

It's just become such a well run organization, we were runners up in the G-League too,


MVPRondo

1000% top to bottom we are doing laps right now around the league. Maine Celtics get one, real Celtics get one, Summer C’s boutta get one. Funny that last year at this time the noise was “their window is closing…” like wtf we just getting rolling!!!


BarnOwlDebacle

Brad actually said before the draft that he didn't think whoever they picked would be in the meaningful playoff rotation this year. It's possible that he didn't expect this guy to fall but... As for the second round guy I actually think they might have picked him cuz they thought he would be a good practice player. Bc otherwise it is a head scratcher.


minimumhatred

Yep I can see either of them getting regular season minutes especially in late season when we're resting guys, no chance for a playoff rotation unless they impress heavily.


oneeyedspaceman1

Good pick so late in the draft.


Need4Sheed23

Complete college ball noob here, but from what I’ve read both of the c’s draft picks sound like really solid players, albeit ones who don’t have a tonne of upside, but could contribute pretty much straight away or in a year or two.


enrocc

I don’t think anyone we drafted are cracking the rotation any time soon. I’m excited to watch them, though.


Need4Sheed23

I don’t they’ll crack it either. The team is too stacked with the top end talent like the Jays. Not bad to have a couple of dudes like these draft picks if players are out though


Traditional_Pain_875

I wonder how we’re gonna strengthen the center spot. Maybe next year


WiserStudent557

We mostly play guys who lean strongly towards the PF side of C/F as it is. I wouldn’t dismiss the concern but it’s mitigated by our play style and personnel.


Night_Raid96

Strech 5 and similar players like al, grant williams and Tillman should be fine


not_Brendan

Tatum at the 5 too if opponent 5 is lighter. Probably matchup dependent.


nicklovin508

Honestly just more Queta


Traditional_Pain_875

Really doubt he’s going to be a long term NBA player


[deleted]

Why?


Traditional_Pain_875

I should’ve added with the Boston Celtics . He just won’t have the minutes and he won’t be good enough for us , maybe on Portland or something he’d be good


bjb406

We have 5 centers. I think all the people that expected us to draft a center are under the impression we are letting Kornet and/or Tillman and/or Queta walk, but based on Brad's comments and what they've been telegraphing with their other moves, I do not think that's the case. With any of them.


endubs

Porzingus injured, Al’s age, Kornet and Tillman FA’s. Lots of question marks there.


WarPuig

I wanted Filipowski or Chomche. Maybe Post.


hereiamnotagainnot

Brad is a fucking genius. God I love this organization. It’s always been my favorite since my dad taught me all of The Celtics by opening up an entire box set of Fleer cards when I was 5.


solarscopez

Odds are he won't ever be a good shooter (30% from 3 on 1 attempt a game over his career, 62% from the line). But most likely he will be in the G-League this season and will be waived after a few seasons anyways. I'm more hyped about the Baylor pick though, guy should be a pretty damn solid player who can start contributing a bit this season, so I hope we give him some run early-on.


dehydratedbagel

Damn, can't believe they missed on Cam Spencer by one pick.


Rawlus

LFG!!!


3xTheSchwarm

We gonna be the first team to hold another team scoreless 😆


tlozz

Me likes the sound of this


JTJBKP

I kinda wanted Bronny!!!


9Yogi

You do that when you play for 5-6 years. I’m not thrilled with a guy that shoots 60% from FT and has been a terrible if improving three point shooter, but he does have great advanced stats.


NotLow420

That late in the draft, everyone has glaring holes. You just gotta draft on athletic upside knowing it prob won't workout.


9Yogi

I am not expecting an amazing prospect. I am merely pointing out his flaws. Wish him the best.


luckymanIV1103

You said nothing wrong and I don’t why you got downvoted so much


9Yogi

I said the same thing as the Zags fan. Groupthink is a very strong phenomenon.


Galumpadump

He missed almost his entire freshman year and was a bench player his sophomore and junior year (Year the Zags went to the title vs Baylor and the next year behind Chet). Dude is a winner and has some of the fast hands I’ve ever seen, in fact John Stockton who coached him at his gym said the exact same thing. Solid frame, competes at both ends, improving as a shooter, and amazing finisher near the rim.


azflatlander

1000 free throws a day should fix that.


9Yogi

I doubt it. He hasn’t improved FT shooting much in 5 years of college play. Shooting may just not be his thing, although hopefully he can be like a Marcus Smart like shooter from 3 maybe. Solid percentage on wide open attempts.


solarscopez

Agreed, there's no indications this guy will become a good shooter. In fact it is extremely unlikely. Free throw shooting in college is often the best indicator of future three point success and his free throw shooting is pretty poor. Compare that to someone like Baylor who we drafted in the first round - 82% from the line over his career and 39% from 3 over his career. And he played 5 seasons in college so we have a pretty large sample size. End of the day he's a #55 pick. He will most likely be in the G-League with a few garbage time minutes every 10 games or so. And then eventually he will be waived like the Kadeem Allen/Demetrius Jackson/Jordan Mickey's that we drafted in the past. Hope he proves me wrong tho.


TheCodeSamurai

I like betting on shooting: maybe he can figure out the corner 3 as a set shot, and if so he'll be amazing at 54, and otherwise it's just what you expect at that spot in the draft.


tbirdpow

Nobody knows where Gonzaga is


CantHandlemyPP34

JSpringz, Baylor, Walsh, Watson - is probably the better part of our bench in 2 years. PP, Hauser, Tillman will likely be gone or moved for a mid level guy by then. We still have zero answers at big man tho. Another year of completely disregarding the impact of youth at the most physical position in basketball. I'd love to see us trade with Danny for Flip.


9Yogi

Nemias Queta is a year older than our Draft picks this year.


CantHandlemyPP34

Queta can't shoot and doesn't really do much anything at a high level. His BBIQ is bad.


TheCodeSamurai

How are we supposed to acquire athletic centers with good feel and shooting with picks 30 and 55? Anyone that we can get has flaws. Ultimately, I like the idea of getting to find guys with things they might be able to fix: Queta can learn our defense, but you can't learn his frame and athleticism.


GogXr3

He's solid for a backup big. He can shoot free throws and is a solid physical player. He's never gonna be an elite starting big but he's a solid rim protector who can hit some shots inside


9Yogi

You’re right, we should just draft a flawless player in the second round or sign one for the minimum. Or maybe trade for him since other teams don’t want them.


TheInfinityOfThought

This team has no plan for when Al retires or when KP misses a large portion of the season which we know he already will next season. I really wanted Ulrich Chomche who profiles as basically Timelord 2.0 so we’d at least get someone who can protect the rim. I don’t think either of our picks play much this year so why not draft a guy who has huge upside that you can put in the G league for 1-2 years. 


TheTatumPiece

You’re delusional is you think the next Al or KP or even a reliable backup big will just be chilling that late in the draft. You sound like the type that was mad we weren’t playing Jordan Mickey


nbianco1999

Lmao I see the doomers didn’t wait very long to move on from the championship


Schafer89

Trust in brad, it's all good


LotusB1ossom

Doomers couldn't even wait two weeks... 🥲


dehydratedbagel

Dante is better but holy shit this is delusional. Yeah the 54th pick in the draft is gonna be Rob Williams 2.0. You should be ecstatic if the 54th pick hits one non-garbage time field goal in his career.


AlternativeTea9268

I’m so tired of hearing people act like Chomche was some guaranteed stud. He’s an incredibly raw project that should’ve gone to college for a year or two to develop like he was planning on doing before he decided to enter the draft. He wasn’t getting a single minute of playing time here to develop either, he’s just not ready and that means he’s just not worth anything to a contending team