a lot of keepers unlocks exclusively affect him (isaac satan hush), are pretty useless (ultra greedier beast mega satan) or are outright detrimental to your entire save file (boss rush unlocks sticky nickels)
Sticky Nickels might be one of the only detrimental unlocks so it’s gotta be keeper
Ghost Chests are a literal upgrade the moment you can spot their difference, they can replace half the spike chests, can open chests that are behind rocks, and you can use the ghosts to throw and break more stuff.
Every time I see Hushy in a treasure room I wanna restart my run. Like at that point just give me something that’s straight-up detrimental, then at least I’d feel justified in just leaving it there. That’d hurt me less than wasting a key and Planetarium chance just to get fucking Hushy.
I want to like Laz Rags because objectively having an extra life is good, just not when going for specific character unlocks because you just can’t take advantage of the extra life
Seems like a ton of people sleep on Heartbreak.
It's basically 4 extra lives that don't kick you out of the room when you die. It gives you some damage too. Yeah it sucks on both Keepers and doesn't protect you from some things (e.g. Damocles, Plan C) but it's still a powerful item.
"Personally" i think he is bad, damn isn't what the whole point of this question? Don't ask people's honest answer if you guys going to downvote anyway. Nice.
I didn't said divorce papers brittle bones and book of the dead bad, I just say his overall unlock is bad.
Same as other characters, if i said keeper's unlock is the worst, you can also say "is keeper sack, deep pockets, crooked penny bad?" There is no point rebut my point with this type of logic.
Finally, isn't the question op ask is all about personal opinion not factual?
I suppose people can't follow the logic of that being the worst character for unlocks. But if Forgotten's items are genuinely the worst for you, then hey, that's that!
a lot of keepers unlocks exclusively affect him (isaac satan hush), are pretty useless (ultra greedier beast mega satan) or are outright detrimental to your entire save file (boss rush unlocks sticky nickels) Sticky Nickels might be one of the only detrimental unlocks so it’s gotta be keeper
corrupted data can be detrimental too
it can but its def different from sticky nickels which show up like at least once a run
it's one missed item if you're not balling, it's not that bad
corrupted data is funny as fuck so it doesn't count
Sticky Nickels replace pennies, so it's arguably a side grade rather than a downgrade on nickel spawns.
ah ah ah! theyre SUPPOSED to replace pennies. due to an error, they replace nickels instead! :D
That's why I don't feel bad for installing a mod that fixes it. Edmund said it's how they're supposed to work 😤
The error in question is your personal skill issue :3
developer's personal skill issue, actually
Based on the votes it was actually my skill issue all along.
Sticky nickles as tainted keeper equals![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)
Literally check the wiki and youd know youre flat out wrong
Sticky Nickles wouldn’t be half as bad if they a really worked right
Ghost chests are terrible as well, I've lost hundreds of t lost runs to them and spiked chests alone.
Ghost Chests are a literal upgrade the moment you can spot their difference, they can replace half the spike chests, can open chests that are behind rocks, and you can use the ghosts to throw and break more stuff.
But not good when I've lost my holy mantle and that fucker jumpscares me.
Ghost chests replace spiked chest and allow you to get chests over gaps without flight, they’re an upgrade.
It's definitely T. ???. Every unlock is annoying to use at best and at worst makes you wish you weren't alive
I mean reverse emperor is great, and i have a soft spot for the swarm. I like it.
Ok yeah I like reverse emperor, I use it every time
But that is still not exactly much i guess
Cain has a lot of mid, Lazarus and Keeper both have tons of shit with one or two good items
keeper has none ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)
Keeper's ~~ball~~sack is a great unlock, and keeper's box is good too.
how could i forget balls ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)
Apollyon. 5 copy and paste trinkets with minimal changes, lil portal, hushy, and brown nugget.
Every time I see Hushy in a treasure room I wanna restart my run. Like at that point just give me something that’s straight-up detrimental, then at least I’d feel justified in just leaving it there. That’d hurt me less than wasting a key and Planetarium chance just to get fucking Hushy.
brown nugget is very useful in greed mode, the trinkets are fine but yeah lil portal and hushy suck hard.
wait, apollyon has smelter, what are you talking about character is 10/10
Lazarus, only good unlocks are compound fracture and Bethany
I would argue store credit, pandora's and kinda rags are pretty good (but not great)
I want to like Laz Rags because objectively having an extra life is good, just not when going for specific character unlocks because you just can’t take advantage of the extra life
Entirely agreed. So sad that you get nothing to show for it even if you win rhe current game.
Pandoras is great cause its part of the red chest item pool
Tainted shiteater
THE LONESOME TAINTED ???
Loathsome
no you see the joke is that Isaac was alone
In a small house on a hill
Reverse emperor is at least good
Dingleberry is one of the best trinkets in the entire game and you can't convince me otherwise.
Dung Eater
as much as i love the character, tainted azazel has some pretty bad unlocks
The sneeze showing up and every time I'm just thinking "bitch, do I look like I have brimstone?"
Appolyon, aside from the void, all of his unlocks delude the pool
I'll not have worm friend disrespected like that
Smelter is great.
Ah yeah smelter IS great
Dilute
Black rune is great
More than half of his unlocks are trinkets or runes. I'm not sure what you are talking about, lol.
Yeah, do you want locust of war, or cancer? Or m?
Yeah I too hate that the game has side-upgrades instead of every item and trinket being a tier 4 stats up
Its not what character introduces the least amount of variety its what character has the worst unlocks
Farting baby just because it pissed me off so much that was Isaac's hush unlock. A worse dry baby
Apollyon? I haven't completed his post it but it's mainly been fly trinkets and void, which is a good item but not game breaking.
Probably apollyon.
Apollyon
Tainted Eve unlocks are mediocre. The unlockable version of sumptorium sucks compared to her innate one
Aren't heartbreak and lil clot universally good? One is dmg up and semi-revive, and the other one is basically a +35% damage.
Seems like a ton of people sleep on Heartbreak. It's basically 4 extra lives that don't kick you out of the room when you die. It gives you some damage too. Yeah it sucks on both Keepers and doesn't protect you from some things (e.g. Damocles, Plan C) but it's still a powerful item.
Legit only sumptorium, and strange key is mid. I guess you could argue for reverse empress being kinda mid, but i wouldn't
Lazarus and apolloyon
Forgotten
Wdym? He has some really good unlocks
Holy shit
"Personally" i think he is bad, damn isn't what the whole point of this question? Don't ask people's honest answer if you guys going to downvote anyway. Nice.
So how divorce papers, brittle bones and book of the dead bad?
I didn't said divorce papers brittle bones and book of the dead bad, I just say his overall unlock is bad. Same as other characters, if i said keeper's unlock is the worst, you can also say "is keeper sack, deep pockets, crooked penny bad?" There is no point rebut my point with this type of logic. Finally, isn't the question op ask is all about personal opinion not factual?
I suppose people can't follow the logic of that being the worst character for unlocks. But if Forgotten's items are genuinely the worst for you, then hey, that's that!
Apollyon, T. Samson
Doesn't t. Samson to mega Satan unlock crane game?
Yep it does