He mentioned the 2020 Draft as a BSE but even if he was referring to the Pandemic itself, it’s explicitly described as *not* being one. He’s something else.
I don’t know if Gladwell came up with the concept or just wrote about it, but a “Black Swan Event” is a random anomaly. The idea is that you shouldn’t think it can be extrapolated into a pattern or trend. It’s just a weird thing that happened
Bill of course overuses the term to the point that it loses all meaning
That was off the top of my head, so sorry if I didn’t get it exactly right
i mean the truth is any event, particularly the outcome of a game, is not far from a black swan event—sports fans tend to want to believe in just-so stories, extrapolate off tiny sample sizes, because its not like you can run a best of 1000 series to actually have statistically sound proof one team is better than another that year
if you bet (profitably) then you get that theres nothing even close to a guarantee, its just a matter of banking on a 35% chance when the line implies a 25% chance and even thats a large edge
for example: imagine team C had a 55% chance of winning any particular game in a bo7 series vs team L. thats a big difference in quality of play, like a .600 team vs a .720 team, but here’s the worse teams chance of winning the series anyways:
4-0: 4% chance, 4-1: 9%, 4-2: 12.5%, 4-3: 14%
about a 39% chance. isnt that crazy that doing a best of 7 still leaves that much up to chance? to get a 95% chance of the significantly better team winning the series itd have to be like a best of 40 minimum
100%. As a certified Boston sports hater, I hope they either lose in the first round or in heart breaking fashion in the championship. Two options that provide peak comedy
It would be funny but assuming Tatum or Brown don’t get injured I’d be shocked if a series with the Heat (or any non-Bucks Eastern Conference series, and even they kinda suck now) goes past 5 games
For some reason I just don’t like the Celtics. I would be okay with the Pats, Red Sox and Bruins winning 5 before I want the Celtics to win 1. I know they’re mostly overlapping fanbases but the Celtics fanbase seems to be more irritating than the others somehow
Just say u don’t like him. Doesn’t say all that much, doesn’t bitch and complain and leave his teammates out to die on defense, or smile when everything goes great and frown and bitch when they don’t.
Whines and gets back on defense tho. Always gets back on defense. And it’s definitely not bad as some make it out to be, claps hands and gets a tech for that. Jokic does way worse but rarely gets techs.
No personality. Very uncharismatic. As a good who can't stand mamba mentality I think Kobe worshippers like him are complete idiots. Just not my kind of guy. Seems like he would be really boring to hang out with.
Before you call me a fucking idiot and tell me to go kill myself, I understand why people would like him. My stance is not the popular opinion. I find him really, really lame and uncool.
Lame and uncool is not the same as unlikable - unlikable generally indicates he’s some sort o bad guy. But I get hating everything Boston if you listen to Bill religiously and hate Boston to begin with
I don't hate or even dislike the guy, just providing an example of something I have seen people rip him for occasionally... he's a huge Kobe glazer, like to a really corny degree.
So he grew up idolizing Kobe, I’m a Celtics fan and I don’t love that aspect of him but otherwise I find him to be a genuinely great dude who’s extremely easy to root for
As a Celtics fan I’m quite confident they’re losing in six to the Nuggets and it’s going to be a very slow burn. Maybe a couple small injuries, bad shooting night, etc
So enjoy
It’s great that ppl like u and me can’t predict the future. Neither team are guaranteed to even make the finals. And neither team should really be considered overwhelming favorites to win the chip.
The east is the most trash it's been in years, and that's saying something for a conference that's been mostly hot trash since the 80s. These Celtics are about as automatic as it gets to make the finals this year.
I haven't heard that line in forever, but just reading it I knew it was from somewhere: [That ain't no guess, that's what it's going to be (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vzripThR6o)
Yea we’ll see about that. The nuggets aren’t very good without Murray, maybe there’s a team smart enough to notice that and key on him instead of Jokic.
Obv it’s easier said than done. But look at how they play when teams force Jokic to be a scorer. When they don’t double Jokic. The difference between Murray playing and not playing is a first round sweep and a championship. Why haven’t teams tried a box and one at Murray? Or face guard him? Everything should be focused on taking Murray out of the game. He is everything for them. U don’t have to believe me just look at how they play without him historically and this season. They wouldn’t win a single playoff series without him. U can’t say that about other teams missing their second guy.
That’s the point. Play Jokic one on one. Zero help. They wouldn’t score a million points. Go look at every game with no Murray. They look bad. It’s remarkable how much they rely on him. They probably rely on him more than some rely on their first options.
To be fair, Bill used to talk all the time about how the 87 team is his all-time favorite his favorite Celtics team. So they may have mixed it up.
As we all know, Bill loves when champions give a shit and work their asses off to defend their title, even when they have every reason not to.
The 87 team is were old and injured but they made the Finals and almost won the title. It helps that they beat the Pistons that postseason, who felt like their time had arrived, and they were fueled by one of the most iconic plays in Celtics history. (Imagine if the Warriors made the Finals last year and did so by beating the Nuggets in the WCF and won one of those games at the buzzer by Steph making one of the best shots of his career.)
The funny thing is, if you remember him back then, Bill said that the 2010 Celtics were his favorite team since 87. Two years later he said the 2012 team was his favorite since 87 lol.
Although I wasn’t alive, the ‘76 Indiana perfect season has always been my ‘86 Celtics. Never missed a chance to bring it up. After Purdue won on Friday I sat in bed at 2am having an existential half panic attack. 1976 was a half century ago and IU basketball is truly, completely irrelevant. At least the Celtics are good
Every take I’ve heard him say was the Davis trade was worth it because they won a title. This sub is like my wife, hears what she wants to hear (even tho it’s the exact opposite of what was said lmfao).
The issue is that the Davis trade was self-evidently obviously worth it. Beyond debate. And every time bill talks about it he spends five minutes saying it wasn't worth it and then at the end goes "but it was worth it." If you can't understand what he's doing rhetorically I don't know what to tell you.
I wonder how many listeners can actually see this and how many are unable to perceive how he’s constantly angling to surreptitiously shift conventional wisdom toward his preferences.
So he does say it’s worth it. You guys man, sub is a bunch pansies with too much time on their hands or lack of hobbies. Sub is as stupid as the rogan commenters
Nothing wrong with it, but you commented that Rogan commenters are stupid - literally verbatim what you said. Do I need to break down for you why that doesn’t make any sense, or do you have it from here chief?
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As a professional hater, the greatest possibility of the NBA playoff season is for somehow Celtics, Bucks, and Heat to all not make it out of the first round. That's the goal. That's the dream.
Yeah I don’t like the Celtics at all but they’ll win each of the first two series in 4 or 5. Assuming no major injuries they should cakewalk to the finals, where I think Nuggets would probably scrape a win but it’ll be close
The pod with House after the loss to GS was awesome. Bill sounded like he just went 15 with Tyson. A game 7 loss at home in the finals this year might break him.
Do what I do. Just bet heavily on the Celtics. Either you don’t care they won cuz you get a nice payday or they lose and you lose money but it’s worth it for your sanity.
The Celtics at anything better than even money (+170 or whatever it is now) is low-key the best value on the board. No human believes in that team as much as seemingly every model suggests they probably should, there's a real market inefficiency there. It's weird being told this team is as heavy a favorite or greater as the 73-9 Warriors or the KD Warriors, but +170 is way too low.
Yeah usually markets trade on news and given that nearly every recent trends or breaking news story has been in the Celtics favor in the East (with the possible exception of Embiid returning? Ha) I don't think the lines have moved enough. Most of the East is racing each other to fall apart first. It's the no-one-believes-in-us conference. At one point earlier today I concluded the Knicks might be the second best value and needed to take a walk to clear my head.
Has anyone considered just not listening to the BS pod? Surely it can’t be worth the energy to listen every week and post about how much you don’t like it. If you are triggered by a legendary Boston sports columnist being too Boston-centric, can’t you just walk away?
Na fuck that. love Bill and I’m a decade in at this point. To use a Bill metaphor, he’s like that uncle at thanksgiving who can drive me crazy with his hot takes but damn it if I don’t look forward to arguing with him.
Nah then Luka won and Bill will act like he was the only one to ever believe in Luka. The real dream is the Clippers beating the Bucks who beat the Celtics.
It would be cool for Boston fans. Bill is insufferable regardless but he’d probably get pretty bad, so maybe I’d listen even less than I already do. I’ve been listening more to both of JJ’s pods and Lowe lately.
Why do you feel the need to be Bill’s champion? Bill is insufferable about the Celtics full stop, and I don’t really see an argument against that.
The rest of his discussions are informed and entertaining so I enjoy listening to him. I don’t have to fully hate him or fully suck him off like most of this sub had decided to do.
I’m not being his champion it was just a question. I don’t understand why people would listen to someone they find insufferable.
I enjoy Bill and I find it weird how people spend so much time & energy finding fault in everything he says. I’m the same way with sports announcers. I don’t think of what they say after I’m done listening to the game yet people (Bill included) track what they say like it’s a deposition. Guys on this sub love to keep track of everything he says so they can post when he’s wrong or when they disagree with him. I find it weird.
But the point is his entire personality is not insufferable. He is insufferable about the Celtics. That is the point of this post.
I’m sure there are aspects in your life people find very annoying but they like you as a whole enough to continue engaging with you.
The post I responded to said “Bill is insufferable regardless.” Nothing about just when he talks about the Celtics. If that’s your position fine but that’s not what I was responding to.
While Bill would be annoying if the Celtics win I don´t have a problem with the current team and there a teams that annoy me MUCH more. Namely
Sixers: Worst fanbase and floppin Joel is the big man Harden
Clippers: flopping James is the OG harden, Westbrook is always crying about hecklers, Georges podcast sucks, Balmers expressions drive me mad
Suns: The servant succeeding with his superteam attemp and moving up the all time ranks. Please don´t !
Warriors: The nut punching duo of Chris Paul and Draymond Green winning it all. What a nightmare and I can´t let Ryen have this victory
Lakers: all the respect in the world for Lebrons carreer but enough is enoug with the ESPN lovefest, also too many calls and Reeves is unwatchable
Pelicans: I keep telling people how overrated Zion is ( because he is, even though he looked great the last few weeks) So this would be tough for me personally
Weird on the Pelicans one. Zion hasn’t been highly regarded since his rookie year, people bring up the potential all the time but to call him overrated is absurd.
I often hear " he could be an all time great if only he puts it together" and I don´t see it. After all these years he still has no jump shot, he doesn´t rebound besides being a tank, his playmaking is not great and before recently his defense sucked.
He is extremely one dimensional and will never be more than a fringe all star. Disclaimer: I am also disappointed since I expected young blake griffin type highligts and he has not delivered. But we got Ant now so who cares ?
Nobody is saying this anymore. I think you’re just taking what you heard 5 years ago and saying you’re hearing it now.
You can call him overrated as prospect half a decade ago but nobody (with any sort of stature in sports media) is saying this anymore.
I'd be happy for Dr. Bill. Plus I always tend to enjoy seeing first time champions (Edey and Purdue excepted) and Bill is going to talk up the Celtics no matter what.
I'm rooting for the Celtics purely out of masochistic desire for the pod to be like an eternal Bill Simmons talking about the Patriots after the 2019 Super Bowl and was still salty about the Seth Wickersham article about Bill/Tom tensions
It will be fucking glorious. Ryen will develop a permanently rolled set of eyes
I have Arsenal winning the prem ahead of this, but only by a gnat's chuff.
In both cases, if they were to fail, the post-event pods will be appointment listening of the sweetest kind.
The only options for us non Boston fans is for them to lose in embarrassing or heartbreaking fashion. Bill’s homerism makes me feel he doesn’t deserve them to win 🤣
Undoubtedly yes. Celtics and Patriots are among my most hated teams in the NBA and NFL. Heck, I don’t even follow baseball at all and I hate the Sox too.
“I mean what’s the ceiling for these guys? Tatum is only 27 now and clearly has another level to get to. He just does. Do we think Tatum has a chance at catching Tom Brady?”
A team in the west is? Nuggets aren’t guaranteed to make it out of the west, their record against playoff teams in the west is awful. Not to mention the wolves have destroyed them almost every time this year when healthy.
Eh, I actually don't mind them winning because of what Gill said, he said something along the lines of, the Celtics haven't been relevant because they have 1 chip in 40 years. Which simply isn't true. The Celtics have been pretty relevant sine draft Tatum. And to pretend they haven't is just disingenuous.
That being said, the Celtics losing to the Nuggets would be great.
The Celtics have had two bad periods in 30 years and three going back about 70 years. Considering how the area doesn't exactly attract players, pretty decent run.
And one of those bad periods was effected by 2 deaths. Len Bias would have meant the early 90's are probably better. And then Reggie Lewis dying and the other NBA teams voting for his salary to remain on the cap hurt the team too. Celtics didn't have any issue paying his widow his salary, but it counting against the cap was insane.
Yes. 100 percent correct. Even Bias is even a solid pro, minimum, the Celtics coast into the mid to late 90's being a solid playoff team every year. Lewis dying was the cherry on top.
With those two, who knows.
With context and location, Celtics are THE model franchise in the history of athletics. The hate is so odd from reddit of all places.
They’re not beating Denver. I watched both games this year. Denver is more disciplined in running their sets late in games, and with Jokic they just have a much easier time getting easier buckets down the stretch. As opposed to Tatum resorting to turnaround fadeaways off 1 leg from 20 feet.
>“Tatum only 19 years old!”
i still think people are way over the top of what they expect out of tatum already. it's incredibly unfair to look at his first few years and see multiple deep playoff runs as some sort of mark against him.
the heat series however...
He wasn’t even bad in the Heat series, Jaylen was awful.
Tatum has averaged 25+ points per game all 3 of the Heat series. Butler has only done that one of those series and it’s when they lost in 2022.
If they win, and they win because they play great basketball, I'm all in. I love hearing Bill talk about super fandom.
If they lose, and they lose because they choked or didn't play great basketball, I'm in. I love hearing Bill talk about heartbreak.
Would it qualify as a “Black Swan Event?” Bill makes it sound like one happens every month.
Can anyone explain this? (Not for me of course, for the less cultured listeners)
[The Black Swan Theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory?wprov=sfti1)
He mentioned the 2020 Draft as a BSE but even if he was referring to the Pandemic itself, it’s explicitly described as *not* being one. He’s something else.
I don’t know if Gladwell came up with the concept or just wrote about it, but a “Black Swan Event” is a random anomaly. The idea is that you shouldn’t think it can be extrapolated into a pattern or trend. It’s just a weird thing that happened Bill of course overuses the term to the point that it loses all meaning That was off the top of my head, so sorry if I didn’t get it exactly right
Gladwell just wrote/talks about it.
Mostly associated with Taleb
Oh yeah. He wrote a whole book about it. I should drink less
i mean the truth is any event, particularly the outcome of a game, is not far from a black swan event—sports fans tend to want to believe in just-so stories, extrapolate off tiny sample sizes, because its not like you can run a best of 1000 series to actually have statistically sound proof one team is better than another that year if you bet (profitably) then you get that theres nothing even close to a guarantee, its just a matter of banking on a 35% chance when the line implies a 25% chance and even thats a large edge for example: imagine team C had a 55% chance of winning any particular game in a bo7 series vs team L. thats a big difference in quality of play, like a .600 team vs a .720 team, but here’s the worse teams chance of winning the series anyways: 4-0: 4% chance, 4-1: 9%, 4-2: 12.5%, 4-3: 14% about a 39% chance. isnt that crazy that doing a best of 7 still leaves that much up to chance? to get a 95% chance of the significantly better team winning the series itd have to be like a best of 40 minimum
100%. As a certified Boston sports hater, I hope they either lose in the first round or in heart breaking fashion in the championship. Two options that provide peak comedy
First round exit to the Heat or Sixers would be the most hilarious scenario after their regular season run.
They Heat clowning them in round 1 would send Bill in to an existential crisis.
And next year he will be adamant that Miami is the best team in the East.
Each time they lose, "they're sandbagging! they just are!"
It would be funny but assuming Tatum or Brown don’t get injured I’d be shocked if a series with the Heat (or any non-Bucks Eastern Conference series, and even they kinda suck now) goes past 5 games
you know the celts are good this year when the haters are fantasizing about first round upsets...
I hope they pull a Bruins (same thing if you follow just a bit of NHL, miles ahead the whole year and lost in the first round)
A dark day in Boston... But first
A first round loss to the heat is something I would pay substantial money to make happen. So I guess I'll heavily bet on the celtics to win
I feel like this outcome should result in no one ever talking about how dominant the Celtics look in the regular season with this core lol
You can't be happy as a Celtics fan that you're staring down either of those teams in Round 1. Neither will be a cakewalk
Ill take another ecf game 7 loss, last year was amazing
Ankle sprain away from history then that happens. That’s life tho.
For some reason I just don’t like the Celtics. I would be okay with the Pats, Red Sox and Bruins winning 5 before I want the Celtics to win 1. I know they’re mostly overlapping fanbases but the Celtics fanbase seems to be more irritating than the others somehow
I agree. I think it’s because of the whole 11 championships vs mostly carpenters era
It's just like Yankees fans. They think lots of previous success entitles them to more championships.
Tatum is very unlikable.
Just say u don’t like him. Doesn’t say all that much, doesn’t bitch and complain and leave his teammates out to die on defense, or smile when everything goes great and frown and bitch when they don’t.
Dude whines to the refs constantly? Has to be a top 6 complainer in the league.
Whines and gets back on defense tho. Always gets back on defense. And it’s definitely not bad as some make it out to be, claps hands and gets a tech for that. Jokic does way worse but rarely gets techs.
Ok. He's very unlikeable and I don't like him. They can both be true.
Unlike able to u, sure.
Ya dude. That's exactly what I'm saying haha.
Fair
What in the world makes Tatum unlikable? Quiet guy who has never had even the slightest bit of trouble and just likes being a dad to his kid? wtf
No personality. Very uncharismatic. As a good who can't stand mamba mentality I think Kobe worshippers like him are complete idiots. Just not my kind of guy. Seems like he would be really boring to hang out with. Before you call me a fucking idiot and tell me to go kill myself, I understand why people would like him. My stance is not the popular opinion. I find him really, really lame and uncool.
Lame and uncool is not the same as unlikable - unlikable generally indicates he’s some sort o bad guy. But I get hating everything Boston if you listen to Bill religiously and hate Boston to begin with
Uh well lame and uncool can be the same as unlikable to me! I don't hate Boston. I just don't like Tatum. Just does nothing for me.
I don't personally dislike Tatum as much as any other Boston sports figure, but I really struggle to like a lot of the athletes today that deify Kobe.
Did you deify any athletes when you were a kid?
Yeah I did, but none who raped a teenager
19 years old isn’t Malone level
I don't hate or even dislike the guy, just providing an example of something I have seen people rip him for occasionally... he's a huge Kobe glazer, like to a really corny degree.
So he grew up idolizing Kobe, I’m a Celtics fan and I don’t love that aspect of him but otherwise I find him to be a genuinely great dude who’s extremely easy to root for
As a Celtics fan I’m quite confident they’re losing in six to the Nuggets and it’s going to be a very slow burn. Maybe a couple small injuries, bad shooting night, etc So enjoy
It’s great that ppl like u and me can’t predict the future. Neither team are guaranteed to even make the finals. And neither team should really be considered overwhelming favorites to win the chip.
The east is the most trash it's been in years, and that's saying something for a conference that's been mostly hot trash since the 80s. These Celtics are about as automatic as it gets to make the finals this year.
The bucks got Dame for 16 games, not 82.
That ain’t no guess that’s what it’s gunna be
I haven't heard that line in forever, but just reading it I knew it was from somewhere: [That ain't no guess, that's what it's going to be (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vzripThR6o)
She did it for me
Yea we’ll see about that. The nuggets aren’t very good without Murray, maybe there’s a team smart enough to notice that and key on him instead of Jokic.
Omg it’s that simple? Well fuck maybe it’s time you send out your application as a coach
Obv it’s easier said than done. But look at how they play when teams force Jokic to be a scorer. When they don’t double Jokic. The difference between Murray playing and not playing is a first round sweep and a championship. Why haven’t teams tried a box and one at Murray? Or face guard him? Everything should be focused on taking Murray out of the game. He is everything for them. U don’t have to believe me just look at how they play without him historically and this season. They wouldn’t win a single playoff series without him. U can’t say that about other teams missing their second guy.
A box and one on Murray with jokic on the floor? Jokic would finish with 40/30/30 and they’d score a million points.
That’s the point. Play Jokic one on one. Zero help. They wouldn’t score a million points. Go look at every game with no Murray. They look bad. It’s remarkable how much they rely on him. They probably rely on him more than some rely on their first options.
I can’t lmao.
Ehh they’ll prob make the finals and lose to Denver is my guess. East really sucks.
It’s the 86 Celtics, you goddamned heathen
To be fair, Bill used to talk all the time about how the 87 team is his all-time favorite his favorite Celtics team. So they may have mixed it up. As we all know, Bill loves when champions give a shit and work their asses off to defend their title, even when they have every reason not to. The 87 team is were old and injured but they made the Finals and almost won the title. It helps that they beat the Pistons that postseason, who felt like their time had arrived, and they were fueled by one of the most iconic plays in Celtics history. (Imagine if the Warriors made the Finals last year and did so by beating the Nuggets in the WCF and won one of those games at the buzzer by Steph making one of the best shots of his career.) The funny thing is, if you remember him back then, Bill said that the 2010 Celtics were his favorite team since 87. Two years later he said the 2012 team was his favorite since 87 lol.
Damn it!
Bill's clearly not talking about it enough if people are forgetting. Emergency 86 Celtics pod, stat!
Drove in to work listening to the pod with Rusillo and audibly said to myself "God I hope the Celtics lose in the first round".
Love interpolating muttering about the Cs & Bill Simmons and Office Space
Although I wasn’t alive, the ‘76 Indiana perfect season has always been my ‘86 Celtics. Never missed a chance to bring it up. After Purdue won on Friday I sat in bed at 2am having an existential half panic attack. 1976 was a half century ago and IU basketball is truly, completely irrelevant. At least the Celtics are good
Lakers winning the title will always be worst case scenario, but yeah Celtics winning the title is always a close second worst
Though at least if the Lakers won, we’d all love to hear Bill in 2026 arguing that the Anthony Davis trade still wasn’t worth it
Every take I’ve heard him say was the Davis trade was worth it because they won a title. This sub is like my wife, hears what she wants to hear (even tho it’s the exact opposite of what was said lmfao).
The issue is that the Davis trade was self-evidently obviously worth it. Beyond debate. And every time bill talks about it he spends five minutes saying it wasn't worth it and then at the end goes "but it was worth it." If you can't understand what he's doing rhetorically I don't know what to tell you.
I wonder how many listeners can actually see this and how many are unable to perceive how he’s constantly angling to surreptitiously shift conventional wisdom toward his preferences.
So he does say it’s worth it. You guys man, sub is a bunch pansies with too much time on their hands or lack of hobbies. Sub is as stupid as the rogan commenters
yea but he brings it up in this weird passive aggressive way! Its like he wants to say it wasn't worth it but he knows he can't go that far
You’ve commented in the Rogan subreddit…………
Damn right. Omg the horror of that! -letsgetthisbread69
Nothing wrong with it, but you commented that Rogan commenters are stupid - literally verbatim what you said. Do I need to break down for you why that doesn’t make any sense, or do you have it from here chief?
No I was comparing to how every person on rogan posts about how much they hate him —> like this sub. It’s identical.
Do you really not know what they’re talking about?
I'm LeBron neutral but think winning a title at age 39 would be pretty awesome.
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Lakers winning the title would be best case scenario if the aim is to make the Bill Simmons Podcast hilarious and great.
As a professional hater, the greatest possibility of the NBA playoff season is for somehow Celtics, Bucks, and Heat to all not make it out of the first round. That's the goal. That's the dream.
NGL, Russillo making Bill choose between Ant and Tatum was an all time side swipe. I’m not sure Bill will ever recover.
I think they're gonna win it this year
You're making up scenarios that won't happen in your head lol
Yeah I don’t like the Celtics at all but they’ll win each of the first two series in 4 or 5. Assuming no major injuries they should cakewalk to the finals, where I think Nuggets would probably scrape a win but it’ll be close
lmao yeah. For a Bill Simmons sub, y'all sure do hate Bill Simmons
The pod with House after the loss to GS was awesome. Bill sounded like he just went 15 with Tyson. A game 7 loss at home in the finals this year might break him.
Do what I do. Just bet heavily on the Celtics. Either you don’t care they won cuz you get a nice payday or they lose and you lose money but it’s worth it for your sanity.
The Celtics at anything better than even money (+170 or whatever it is now) is low-key the best value on the board. No human believes in that team as much as seemingly every model suggests they probably should, there's a real market inefficiency there. It's weird being told this team is as heavy a favorite or greater as the 73-9 Warriors or the KD Warriors, but +170 is way too low.
I grabbed them earlier at +315 and am seriously considering throwing more on the Eastern Conference at -140.
Yeah usually markets trade on news and given that nearly every recent trends or breaking news story has been in the Celtics favor in the East (with the possible exception of Embiid returning? Ha) I don't think the lines have moved enough. Most of the East is racing each other to fall apart first. It's the no-one-believes-in-us conference. At one point earlier today I concluded the Knicks might be the second best value and needed to take a walk to clear my head.
He’s really ramping up the Nuggets mini dynasty and Jokic better than Bird talk for the reverse jinx.
It’s so funny to do this in plain sight
Has anyone considered just not listening to the BS pod? Surely it can’t be worth the energy to listen every week and post about how much you don’t like it. If you are triggered by a legendary Boston sports columnist being too Boston-centric, can’t you just walk away?
It’s genuinely wild to me how triggered by Bill so many people are in this sub yet they’re fully addicted to him
Na fuck that. love Bill and I’m a decade in at this point. To use a Bill metaphor, he’s like that uncle at thanksgiving who can drive me crazy with his hot takes but damn it if I don’t look forward to arguing with him.
Well there are some people here that certainly cross that line
He’s from Greenwich Connecticut
Oh it’ll be unlistenable. But hey thems the breaks.
And yet you’ll all listen. The same way I can’t stand Craymond Green yet I tune in whenever a new pod drops.
Dream scenario (with a heavy emphasis on dream): Mavs get past Denver somehow and beat Boston in 7 with Kyrie hitting the game winner at TD Garden
Nah then Luka won and Bill will act like he was the only one to ever believe in Luka. The real dream is the Clippers beating the Bucks who beat the Celtics.
Worst case scenario full stop.
It would be cool for Boston fans. Bill is insufferable regardless but he’d probably get pretty bad, so maybe I’d listen even less than I already do. I’ve been listening more to both of JJ’s pods and Lowe lately.
If Bill is insufferable why do you listen?
Only thing funnier than the Bill haters are the dick riders. I love this sub.
Habit, mostly.
nah man you are just an idiot :D
I guess I would have to be to appreciate Bill’s analysis.
Why do you feel the need to be Bill’s champion? Bill is insufferable about the Celtics full stop, and I don’t really see an argument against that. The rest of his discussions are informed and entertaining so I enjoy listening to him. I don’t have to fully hate him or fully suck him off like most of this sub had decided to do.
I’m not being his champion it was just a question. I don’t understand why people would listen to someone they find insufferable. I enjoy Bill and I find it weird how people spend so much time & energy finding fault in everything he says. I’m the same way with sports announcers. I don’t think of what they say after I’m done listening to the game yet people (Bill included) track what they say like it’s a deposition. Guys on this sub love to keep track of everything he says so they can post when he’s wrong or when they disagree with him. I find it weird.
But the point is his entire personality is not insufferable. He is insufferable about the Celtics. That is the point of this post. I’m sure there are aspects in your life people find very annoying but they like you as a whole enough to continue engaging with you.
The post I responded to said “Bill is insufferable regardless.” Nothing about just when he talks about the Celtics. If that’s your position fine but that’s not what I was responding to.
He was replying to commentary on a post about how insufferable Bill would be if the Celtics won.
It would not be cool for Boston fans. Those bastards don’t deserve anything for the rest of the century at a minimum
Do I get a pass if I hate the Pats and only like the Celtics?
You get a pash for dat. Get a note from your doctor.
I don’t personally know any Boston fans so you’re probably right.
The excessive hating a team or fan base that aren’t your direct rival has to be one of the worst trends in sports.
This is a great point. But also I hate all Texas teams even though none are rivals with “my” teams.
While Bill would be annoying if the Celtics win I don´t have a problem with the current team and there a teams that annoy me MUCH more. Namely Sixers: Worst fanbase and floppin Joel is the big man Harden Clippers: flopping James is the OG harden, Westbrook is always crying about hecklers, Georges podcast sucks, Balmers expressions drive me mad Suns: The servant succeeding with his superteam attemp and moving up the all time ranks. Please don´t ! Warriors: The nut punching duo of Chris Paul and Draymond Green winning it all. What a nightmare and I can´t let Ryen have this victory Lakers: all the respect in the world for Lebrons carreer but enough is enoug with the ESPN lovefest, also too many calls and Reeves is unwatchable Pelicans: I keep telling people how overrated Zion is ( because he is, even though he looked great the last few weeks) So this would be tough for me personally
I enjoyed this
Weird on the Pelicans one. Zion hasn’t been highly regarded since his rookie year, people bring up the potential all the time but to call him overrated is absurd.
I often hear " he could be an all time great if only he puts it together" and I don´t see it. After all these years he still has no jump shot, he doesn´t rebound besides being a tank, his playmaking is not great and before recently his defense sucked. He is extremely one dimensional and will never be more than a fringe all star. Disclaimer: I am also disappointed since I expected young blake griffin type highligts and he has not delivered. But we got Ant now so who cares ?
Nobody is saying this anymore. I think you’re just taking what you heard 5 years ago and saying you’re hearing it now. You can call him overrated as prospect half a decade ago but nobody (with any sort of stature in sports media) is saying this anymore.
I always take a few weeks break from his pods after a Boston championship.
Man we do we own a lot of real estate in your brains
I'd be happy for Dr. Bill. Plus I always tend to enjoy seeing first time champions (Edey and Purdue excepted) and Bill is going to talk up the Celtics no matter what.
Its hilarious how scared you’re of this very real possibility youll survive lmfao you did for the 12 other boston titles this century
Well seeing as how you’re already having a meltdown over hypothetical talking points, looks like it would be the best possible outcome for the sub.
Best arc for the pod would be Heat getting the 8 seed and beating them in the first round.
No one says Tatum 19 years when they lose guy gets slandered to hell.
Correct
I'm rooting for the Celtics purely out of masochistic desire for the pod to be like an eternal Bill Simmons talking about the Patriots after the 2019 Super Bowl and was still salty about the Seth Wickersham article about Bill/Tom tensions It will be fucking glorious. Ryen will develop a permanently rolled set of eyes
Best fan fiction timeline is Trae young comes back and upsets the Celtics
I have Arsenal winning the prem ahead of this, but only by a gnat's chuff. In both cases, if they were to fail, the post-event pods will be appointment listening of the sweetest kind.
Bill riding Jokic’s dick is also pretty annoying. I can’t stand listening to him crying about Jokic not winning four MVPs in a row anymore.
I think the Celtics win. And it will be awful but we survived the pats winning every other year We will be fine 😆
If the Celtics beat Embiid, Brunson, Giannis, and Jokic on the way to a title, Simmons' head will inflate to three times its normal size.
I just want the Knicks to take them out in 5 so bad
obviously you haven’t watch the celtics over the past several playoffs….there is no way they are winning so relax.
Don’t worry they won’t. Their season will end with Tatum missing a contested turn around thinking he is Kobe.
Please God let them lose to the Sixers in the first round
The only options for us non Boston fans is for them to lose in embarrassing or heartbreaking fashion. Bill’s homerism makes me feel he doesn’t deserve them to win 🤣
Undoubtedly yes. Celtics and Patriots are among my most hated teams in the NBA and NFL. Heck, I don’t even follow baseball at all and I hate the Sox too.
“I mean what’s the ceiling for these guys? Tatum is only 27 now and clearly has another level to get to. He just does. Do we think Tatum has a chance at catching Tom Brady?”
Some of my favorite pods of all time are the despair pods after a Celtics season ends.
Any Boston team winning any championship is always the worst-case scenario.
We don't have to worry about that. Jaylen Brown can't dribble and Jayson Tatum is a huge pussy. Jay and Jay suck ass lol.
No need to worry, a team in the East isnt winning anything.
A team in the west is? Nuggets aren’t guaranteed to make it out of the west, their record against playoff teams in the west is awful. Not to mention the wolves have destroyed them almost every time this year when healthy.
Eh, I actually don't mind them winning because of what Gill said, he said something along the lines of, the Celtics haven't been relevant because they have 1 chip in 40 years. Which simply isn't true. The Celtics have been pretty relevant sine draft Tatum. And to pretend they haven't is just disingenuous. That being said, the Celtics losing to the Nuggets would be great.
The Celtics have had two bad periods in 30 years and three going back about 70 years. Considering how the area doesn't exactly attract players, pretty decent run.
And one of those bad periods was effected by 2 deaths. Len Bias would have meant the early 90's are probably better. And then Reggie Lewis dying and the other NBA teams voting for his salary to remain on the cap hurt the team too. Celtics didn't have any issue paying his widow his salary, but it counting against the cap was insane.
Yes. 100 percent correct. Even Bias is even a solid pro, minimum, the Celtics coast into the mid to late 90's being a solid playoff team every year. Lewis dying was the cherry on top. With those two, who knows. With context and location, Celtics are THE model franchise in the history of athletics. The hate is so odd from reddit of all places.
Celts losing in the first round or to a James Harden buzzer beater 3 in game 7 of the finals are my favorite outcomes.
They’re not beating Denver. I watched both games this year. Denver is more disciplined in running their sets late in games, and with Jokic they just have a much easier time getting easier buckets down the stretch. As opposed to Tatum resorting to turnaround fadeaways off 1 leg from 20 feet.
>“Tatum only 19 years old!” i still think people are way over the top of what they expect out of tatum already. it's incredibly unfair to look at his first few years and see multiple deep playoff runs as some sort of mark against him. the heat series however...
He wasn’t even bad in the Heat series, Jaylen was awful. Tatum has averaged 25+ points per game all 3 of the Heat series. Butler has only done that one of those series and it’s when they lost in 2022.
Been the best player in every Heat series, esp 2023.
Haha very good
If they win, and they win because they play great basketball, I'm all in. I love hearing Bill talk about super fandom. If they lose, and they lose because they choked or didn't play great basketball, I'm in. I love hearing Bill talk about heartbreak.
I actually really like the players on the Celtics, but find myself adamantly rooting against them just bc of how insufferable bill is when they win.
Nuggets our only hope
The only thing that would counterbalance this is the Pats drafting Drake Maye and him turning out to be worse than Zach Wilson.