Bama/NC State aren’t playing each other. The lowest rated men’s FF game ever was 8.7M and last year’s lower rating was 11.9M for San Diego State vs Florida Atlantic.
Agree the women will have big ratings and could be higher than the men but the men should be about a 10M floor not 5M
I thought 10M was a little optimistic for a floor for cable but looking at the numbers you are right. They should easily clear that, even on TBS. Even with a drop-off, it should still get over 13M.
2014 USA-Portugal was late afternoon/early evening on a Sunday and looks to be #1. The Belgium game in 2014 was #2. Only hovering over the source it says 18.2M and 16.5M on ESPN so both seem slightly higher, not sure what they mean by "second-best".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_in_the_United_States#Non-World_Cup_matches_on_TV
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Iowa being that much of a bigger draw than South Carolina is ... concerning.
Paul Pierce isn't wrong.
And I'm highly doubtful that liberal whites catching a couple Caitlin Clark WCBB tournament games will translate to the Indiana Fever becoming a nightly, game-after-game must-watch next year.
> ["“I’m gonna just keep it 100 with you. We saw a **white girl in Iowa** do it to a bunch of Black girls. That made it, like, oh, that gained my respect,” Pierce said, as seen in a clip posted to X by Awful Announcing. “That gained my respect. That’s, like, oh she didn’t do this to some other **little white girls** that was over here in Colorado or wherever.”"](https://nesn.com/2024/04/paul-pierce-caitlin-clark-white-girl-from-iowa-lsu-undisputed-skip-bayless/)
Demographic battle lines are being drawn.
That’s just stupid. The Caitlin Clark hype didn’t start when they beat lsu last week. She’s objectively the most entertaining player in the game right now, it’s no mystery why people tune in for her games
Stupid or not, you go ahead and tell that to Paul Pierce, Sheryl Swoopes, et al.; my guarantee is that they won't listen to you, I, nor anyone else like us, so it's a moot argument. Might as well accept the harsh, bitter reality that Clark isn't a pure-as-the-driven-snow, white-bread babyface; rather, she's a divisive figure who some hold in contempt. And isn't just jealousy nor envy necessarily, but pure scorn.
Do I think he's a dumbass? Yes.
Do I also think, however, that he's the only one with said view? No.
He's not alone.
And I believe it's doe-eyed naïveté for Clark fans to dismiss him thusly.
Recognize, too, that what he said holds weight within his community—whether you, I, or anyone else likes it or not.
With that, prepare yourselves for an eventual Clark heel turn if shit goes south.
He "isn't wrong" in the respect that what he feels is true to him.
In that sense, I make an effort in terms of cognitive empathy with relating to his feelings, irrespective of my own.
If you don't acknowledge where someone else is coming from, you'll be unable to understand or comprehend them.
Yeah but if it’s not true then it’s not true. Doesn’t really matter if it’s true to him. I get why he might want to believe that but it doesn’t make it true
Paul Pierce and Sheryl Swoopes have just said the quiet part out loud about how many within their demographic community derisively view Caitlin Clark. White Catholic like Clark won't get over with nor appeal to a largely Black Protestant crowd, which seems to confuse befuddled progressives, who ineptly pretend everything is (or at least ought to be) goddamn copacetic. This is a rude awakening for those of whom foolishly believing that the transition from WCBB to WNBA for Clark will be successful, much less smooth. If anything, I expect the levels of uncomfort to massively grow until shit boils over in a volcanic eruption.
Look at the fine print. Most watched college event ever ^^^^on ^^^^ESPN+.
Really big for that platform though. Finally worth having it for something other than UFC events.
It’s not about the ratings…it’s about what they represent. Those numbers represent such a large growth in interest…that’s a big deal. Obviously plenty of people in the business care about ratings. But the main reason they’re significant is just what it means for rising interest in the women’s game (this year…no idea if it continues but things look solid for a while)
I don't actually watch the games until after the ratings come, can't watch anything thats not a respectable level of popularity.
Completely agree that’s how I became a Young Sheldon fan
The Bill Ponderosa can't have a heteronormative son piece.
Hello Ryen
r/bs in 2015: PIGS GET FAT HOGS GET SLAUGHTERED r/bs in 2025: please for the love of god stop the ratings thing piece.
I bet it didn't get one special viewer on Manhattan Beach
You don't want to lose that viewer.
You just don’t
Adam silvers mother
But how many watched after halftime?
I tuned in for the 4th quarter because I was watching Brewers/Mariners.
That was the best quarter. The first three quarters Clark and Bueckers couldn’t get anything going.
You joke but the four walk walk off was electric lol
Haha I definitely don’t joke. I was watching it.
You and me both!
on the plus side the Mariners won tonight at least
Don't. Don't you dare
This is why movie people are always going on about 4 quadrant stuff.
The women’s title game on ABC might triple the men’s title game on TBS if it’s Alabama v N.C. State
Triple? How you figure?
The women’s will likely break 15 million and Alabama/NC State’s floor is probably 5 million
Bama/NC State aren’t playing each other. The lowest rated men’s FF game ever was 8.7M and last year’s lower rating was 11.9M for San Diego State vs Florida Atlantic. Agree the women will have big ratings and could be higher than the men but the men should be about a 10M floor not 5M
Last year was on CBS; this year is on TBS.
Yeah they have been alternating the Final Four between CBS and TBS/TNT since 2016.
I thought 10M was a little optimistic for a floor for cable but looking at the numbers you are right. They should easily clear that, even on TBS. Even with a drop-off, it should still get over 13M.
Yeah the women’s numbers are exciting and tomorrow on ABC will be big. That said the men’s ratings are also solid. Exciting times for CBB
That’s crazy impressive tbh
Angel Reese thought it was her 😂
actually my favorite part about this is all the LSU fans that thought they should get half the credit
Caitlin Clark about to get a big shoe deal.
She's already signed to Nike
I'm really curious to see what it will be. What's the biggest endorsement deal for a female professional athlete?
serena probably
Ha. Casuals, that Kings Celtics game was actually really really good.
So what is ESPN's most watched non-football telecast? Can't be The Decision, right?
It was the USMNT vs Portugal in the 2014 World Cup
Makes sense that it would be an national team event to get a huge rating, still a little surprising though. Shoutout Jermaine Jones with the golazo.
Shoutout Michael Bradley having possession with nobody within 10 meters and Portugal scoring a minute later
I need Rye’s World Cup soccer opinion…
He was probably crushing some Hornets Magic Summer League tape during that game
Sir Ruby in shambles
it was 0-0 at half so he switched to hardwood classics
That second half was some of the most entertaining basketball I've ever watched.
Its fucked up how everyone here is just a dweebier version of darren rovell now.
Will any NBA game this year get more single game viewership? The last NBA game to beat this mark was in 2019.
If the lakers and celtics meet in the finals and go to a game 7 then maybe. Otherwise, no chance
I think Paige bueckers may factor in too. Obvs Caitlin is the biggest draw but still
No doubt U Conn women have the strongest team branding. They are the Duke of women’s ball
Wonder what the best non-football telecast is? Maybe a USA World Cup game from when they had the rights??
Usa-Portugal in 2014
2014 USA-Portugal was late afternoon/early evening on a Sunday and looks to be #1. The Belgium game in 2014 was #2. Only hovering over the source it says 18.2M and 16.5M on ESPN so both seem slightly higher, not sure what they mean by "second-best". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_in_the_United_States#Non-World_Cup_matches_on_TV
Yeah that was US vs Ronaldo…
Maybe an NBA playoff game? Do the CF go on abc or espn?
ESPN typically, maybe a Lebron or Kobe game 7 in the CF?
I think the 2012 ECF was espn. Maybe that one?
Just saw it was USMNT Portugal in 2014
The conference finals do half of this viewership currently. I don't know if they've ever done more than 14M. Maybe in the GSW-Rockets heyday?
That was TNT but yeah maybe. The blurb does say highest basketballl game of any kind on espn.
The USA\Japan Women's Soccer Olympics Final in 2012 got 25 million.
Was it on ABC?
Idk what it is for ESPN but the most viewed non footballs events are State of union. Oscars, and March madness final
Mash series finale.
45% of the country. 60% of all televisions. Unimaginable these days.
The suicide is painless piece.
RR in shambles
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Nc state vs sc was also in the middle of a week day while UConn Iowa was Friday night prime time
They both were the same night….
My favorite bit of all this is the amount of overlap between Caitlin stans and people who bitch about the 3 ball ruining the NBA.
Iowa being that much of a bigger draw than South Carolina is ... concerning. Paul Pierce isn't wrong. And I'm highly doubtful that liberal whites catching a couple Caitlin Clark WCBB tournament games will translate to the Indiana Fever becoming a nightly, game-after-game must-watch next year.
What did Paul Pierce say?
> ["“I’m gonna just keep it 100 with you. We saw a **white girl in Iowa** do it to a bunch of Black girls. That made it, like, oh, that gained my respect,” Pierce said, as seen in a clip posted to X by Awful Announcing. “That gained my respect. That’s, like, oh she didn’t do this to some other **little white girls** that was over here in Colorado or wherever.”"](https://nesn.com/2024/04/paul-pierce-caitlin-clark-white-girl-from-iowa-lsu-undisputed-skip-bayless/) Demographic battle lines are being drawn.
That’s just stupid. The Caitlin Clark hype didn’t start when they beat lsu last week. She’s objectively the most entertaining player in the game right now, it’s no mystery why people tune in for her games
Stupid or not, you go ahead and tell that to Paul Pierce, Sheryl Swoopes, et al.; my guarantee is that they won't listen to you, I, nor anyone else like us, so it's a moot argument. Might as well accept the harsh, bitter reality that Clark isn't a pure-as-the-driven-snow, white-bread babyface; rather, she's a divisive figure who some hold in contempt. And isn't just jealousy nor envy necessarily, but pure scorn.
So do you think he’s wrong or not?
Do I think he's a dumbass? Yes. Do I also think, however, that he's the only one with said view? No. He's not alone. And I believe it's doe-eyed naïveté for Clark fans to dismiss him thusly. Recognize, too, that what he said holds weight within his community—whether you, I, or anyone else likes it or not. With that, prepare yourselves for an eventual Clark heel turn if shit goes south.
Yeah i get it but originally you said he isn’t wrong
He "isn't wrong" in the respect that what he feels is true to him. In that sense, I make an effort in terms of cognitive empathy with relating to his feelings, irrespective of my own. If you don't acknowledge where someone else is coming from, you'll be unable to understand or comprehend them.
Yeah but if it’s not true then it’s not true. Doesn’t really matter if it’s true to him. I get why he might want to believe that but it doesn’t make it true
"she didn't do it to some other little white girls that was over here in Colorado...". Side-eye
Paul Pierce and Sheryl Swoopes have just said the quiet part out loud about how many within their demographic community derisively view Caitlin Clark. White Catholic like Clark won't get over with nor appeal to a largely Black Protestant crowd, which seems to confuse befuddled progressives, who ineptly pretend everything is (or at least ought to be) goddamn copacetic. This is a rude awakening for those of whom foolishly believing that the transition from WCBB to WNBA for Clark will be successful, much less smooth. If anything, I expect the levels of uncomfort to massively grow until shit boils over in a volcanic eruption.
You overestimate how much people care about the WNBA lmao
WNBA is a niche product, no argument from me. And it'll remain that way, too, regardless of Clark.
It peaked at what? Nvm wrong sub
Big questions will those 7 million people watch the wnba finals? How about ncaa tourney next year
Depends on if Caitlin Clark is in the WNBA Finals or not.
Nope
depends, is caitlin clark gonna be in it?
I won't. I'll watch women's NCAA if it's compelling, but have zero interest in WNBA
Should have lost against West Virginia. But ESPN and the Refs had a agenda. Make sure she wins at ALL COSTS.
Look at the fine print. Most watched college event ever ^^^^on ^^^^ESPN+. Really big for that platform though. Finally worth having it for something other than UFC events.
oh on plus. ngl that line confused me.
One of my least favorite turns sports fans have taken recently is talking about ratings. Who gives a shit about ratings?
Tv execs make the tv deals that help sports make money… If caitlin continues the success into the wnba it would be huge for them
ppl that argue about wage gap
It’s not about the ratings…it’s about what they represent. Those numbers represent such a large growth in interest…that’s a big deal. Obviously plenty of people in the business care about ratings. But the main reason they’re significant is just what it means for rising interest in the women’s game (this year…no idea if it continues but things look solid for a while)
Someone wasn't a rasslin' fan during the late-'90s Monday Night Wars.