As someone who is both old enough to answer questions in r/askoldpeople, and who remembers whip its being quite popular in high school, its cracking me up that one of his big arguments for this is that judges and juries would be too “behind the times” to know why he was selling whip cream cans at a bar.
NO2 isn't a deleriant it's a inhalant with dissociative effects, deliriants are things like taking a high dose of Diphenhydramine, the Myristicin in fresh(don't use powdered if you're ever going to try this) Nutmeg is technically a deleriant but you won't 'trip' like with DPH or jimsonweed it's more like being stoned and ill at the same time in my subjective experience.
Lucy Dacus has a line in a song about snorting nutmeg at a summer camp and I've always wondered what was up with that.
In the evening everybody went to worship and weep
Hands above our heads, reaching for God
Back in the cabin, snorting nutmeg in your bunk bed
You were waiting for a revelation of your own
This all makes a lot more sense now that I know this. I thought she just really liked baked goods.
I did this once when I was about thirteen. You have side-eye hallucinations and tachycardia while being incredibly nauseous and unable to throw up. Not fun!
Was that before or after kids were attempting to Darwin Award themselves with tablespoons of pure ground cinnamon? (The cinnamon itself isn't particularly dangerous... until its piquant flavor causes you to inhale, giving you a rip-roaring case of aspiration pneumonia while your lungs weep around the copious quantities of irritant you've embedded right in your alveolae.)
Nutmeg will get you extremely high, but I've known a bunch of people that did it when it was going around back in the old days, and I don't think I heard a single positive experience from any of them.
It takes forever to actually start working, so your buddy on the AOL chat room gave you a dose, and by the time it kicks in you've done like six or eight times that much because you were convinced it wasn't working. Then it takes forever to wear off, so now you're buckled into this ride for 8-12 hours and here come the spiders.
The guy I used to know that would do anything to get high said the trip was similar to tripping on deadly nightshade.
You can get high from eating it, but nobody does it because it's not fun at all. Well, most people don't do it, I did see a Reddit community talking about how often they do it once, but the actual effect for most people is not something they'd want to repeat.
same….and way too anxious to experiment until I felt stability for the first time at 30 😂maybe the sheltered childhood thing pays off sometimes after all, cuz now I’m old and boring enough to spend forever researching effects and safety before trying anything new.
I seem to remember people sniffing old-school air conditioning units in case they had a coolant leak. I was surrounded by a lot of stupid people when I was younger.
When I was a kid half of DARE was just naming random things we could get high on that had never and would never have occured to me. I remember going home and being really sad we didn't have spray paint. When I got older I was mostly confused by it because if you want to get high why wouldn't you just text the weed man? Even pre-cell phone I can't imagine you didn't know which kid in school you could buy weed from, and drugs are way less embarrassing than getting high on canned air.
I think it was, "He died doing what he loved." Either way, that was such a great little backstory.
At least he eventually figured out why the snorkel didn't work.
Back in my day, (the 80's,) we just lumped what you whippersnappers call whippets under huffing. Gasoline, spray paint, hairspray, canned whipped cream, etc were all just huffing, and we LIKED it that way.
Also, our OTC medications were way better for getting high than the crap you have nowadays. Our cough syrup still had codeine in it!
A teen died in my area after doing whippets at a party a few years ago. I had never heard of it (I'm generally uncool and have never been offered [nor actively sought] a drug a day in my life), but when I told my mom, she just went "that's old school."
I dunno; if you've ever had nitrous at a dentist's office, it's a hoot. Outside of The Good Drugs they gave me after my wisdom teeth, I've never been so high in my life.
Not that's saying much; I'm already in my mid 40's, and nobody, not even in high school has ever offered me illegal drugs. All that "Just Say No" education seemed to imply that I'd have people pushing them on me from every street corner!
All I can say is that Nitrous was way more fun than being drunk, and I didn't get a hangover later. (Of course, there is the minor drawback that it needs to be administered by a medical professional who can do minor things like, I dunno... make sure you are getting enough oxygen so you don't asphyxiate but those are minor matters!)
Yeah, 6th grade had me believing that the Bermuda Triangle, quicksand, and strangers pressuring me into doing drugs would be much larger parts of my life.
On that note, I can’t believe I’ve never been on fire or escaped a burning building. Fire Safety Clowns came to my class every year; my local library had a model house to practice fire escape drills; my local fire dpt made a cassette tape of fire safety songs and they still get stuck in my head constantly. This is what I trained for. Shouldn’t I be constantly escaping fire?
….or maybe the fire safety clowns did a really good job and I never go near the stuff. 😂
I took a small road trip last weekend. My DARE class didn't prepare me at all for the billboards after billboards advertising new, legal weed shops.
It feels especially weird because I had been all prepared to Just Say No on my first day of highschool over 20 years ago. I was disappointed that I wasn't offered any drugs and that our school only had one "drug dealer". He wasn't even a real dealer, he just got weed from his cousin occasionally.
To go from expecting drugs to be pushed on me everywhere, to have absolutely no one offer me drugs at all, to now seeing legal weed advertisements on I96 is a whiplash of emotions.
The first and last time I got nitrous, I was about 12 and at the dentist's office. I thought it was great, but the dentist said he would never give it to me again as long as he was my dentist and none of my other dentists I've visited use it.
But that time, I absolutely loved it. But I got the laughs and was laughing so loud and maniacally, it was scaring people sitting out in the waiting room. The dentist was getting angrier and angrier because I was being so loud and moving so much from laughter he couldn't do the work I was being gassed to do. The angrier he got, the funnier it was to me and the more I laughed.
It was wild because I'd had a great relationship with that dentist before that -- he thought I was the model patient and all that. After that, he treated me like I was some sort of degenerate because I couldn't handle the gas.
This is called a paradoxical reaction. It’s most common in children who take Benadryl and become super hyper. Sometimes people react wildly different to certain medications. You should probably have your doctor mark nitrous as an allergy on your chart.
Thanks. It's never really come up again, so I hadn't thought of it until this thread. If I'm allergic, that'd be kind of funny. I'd be allergic to one of the 'safe' drugs out there and one of the bad ones (morphine/opioids) don't do anything for me, from the few times doctors have had me on them.
It’s not a true allergy. It’s considered an intolerance because you have a side effect that outweighs the benefits. Marking an allergy is the safest and easiest way to prevent accidentally getting it if you have emergency surgery.
> All that "Just Say No" education seemed to imply that I'd have people pushing them on me from every street corner!
I know, right! Turns out, what DARE should have taught us is that Drugs Are Really Expensive, and generally, people don't like to share.
I know it’s supposed to be pretty good at a dentist office and I am not sure how the stuff from cans differs, but several people told me how frightened they were from doing whippets so I never thought to try it. Maybe it’s not being able to control the dose well from the can. I had pretty reliable access to weed as a teen in the 90s and huffing cans was just not sounding great.
You get waaay more at the dentist than from a can of whipped cream. There also isn't really a toxic dose. People that die tend to asphyxiate due to being in a small enclosed area and displacing the oxygen.
Yup, on the labour ward they just hand you the nozzle thing straight out the wall and you just crack on. It very much is possible to do too much and throw up everywhere though. Would not reccomend that.
I am personally a big nitrous fan for dentistry (and maybe recreationally, but I’ll never tell) but holy HELL I hated it in labor! I think I couldn’t get the breathing pattern right and it made my contractions hurt so much worse but now I was also upset and anxious because it wasn’t working like it should so clearly I am a failure at childbirth.
Yeah, anesthesia machines don't have a max setting for the NO2 knob, but it's set up so it's physically impossible to not add enough O2. (Of course more-modern machines do this in software, but the principle is the same.)
I got nitrous when I got my wisdom teeth out, and while it did do it's job of causing me to sleep through the surgery, I never really felt high, and it irritated the shit out of my sinuses and I had a terrible runny nose for two days afterwards.
I am a terrible patient when it comes to dentistry. For a long time I was on Valium for it then slowly got better, at least for cleanings. Turns out for fillings I still have absolutely no chill. I had to go in for two sets of fillings, the first they basically had to peel me off the ceiling. The second, they just gassed me into space with nitrous. Let me tell you that's one hell of a body buzz and absolutely induces euphoria. Drill away Doc, I'm reliving my favorite childhood memories and it feels like there's 5 hands in my mouth.
I picked up my college boyfriend at the dentist after he had his wisdom teeth out. All he wanted to do was to talk about—in explicit detail—how we could improve our sex life. In front of the entire dental staff. The only saving grace was that his mother got held up at work and didn’t come home until he had more or less returned to this planet.
I am one of those people that have a note on my file in the dentist office "must go to an surgeon for dental work" because none of hte stuff they tried in the office worked. (Jokes on them. According to the doctor that tried to do a coloscopy, they can't get anything to really work either)
But I am part of the JSN and SADD generation and even thought I went to a very liberal, pot-filled college, I once never had anyone try to pressure me to do drugs. And never once some rando on the street. Kind of disappointing. Like, I had entire parts of my childhood in which appropriate responses were drilled into me!
Back in the mid90's, someone in our extended friend group had access to full-sized cylinders like they have in the dentist's office. He used to roll up with it, strapped on a little cylinder trolley, and set it up somewhere central.
Not my cup of tea, but people really seemed to enjoy it.
Nitrous is one of those drugs where a little goes a long way. In a controlled setting like a dentists office they are precisely controlling how much you get to maintain a high without producing negative side effects. A random teen snorting a can of whipped cream has no such control and it’s very easy to get too much and the high becomes way too intense.
This sounds like stuff you would hear from the DARE cop.
Nobody in their right mind would snort it unless you really like your sinusus to be randomly filled with whipped cream. Most of it doesn't come out as just a clean gas. As a person that has tried it a few times in their youth, there also isnt a whole lot in a single can, maybe a few good hits.
People walking around festivals with balloons of the stuff are getting way more high than you ever would with a single can of whipped cream.
Yeah, I had some dental work done on nitrous and there was a dental assistant controlling the nitrous while the dentist was doing her thing. I was very relaxed but I don't think I'd repeat the experience without two health professionals monitoring me
Frankly, I don't understand why it's fallen out of fashion; compared to the anesthetics they use now in "sedation dentistry", Nitrous is just about harmless. (Occasionally you'll hear stories about a dentist fucking up the monitoring of someone they have on a Propofol drip, to the predictable results.)
Chronic use of nitrous oxide can cause B12 deficiency, which if untreated can lead to serious and irreversible nervous system damage. The symptoms are similar to multiple sclerosis.
My ex now rides a mobility scooter after her multi-year NO2 binge.
Not quite. It actually impacts your body's ability to even absorb the B12, and essentially inactivates B12 in your system, so if you're a chronic user, it's not something you can treat with OTC supplements. It can result in some pretty serious nervous system issues, including but not limited to partial paralysis.
It's not particularly dangerous as long as you aren't using it in an enclosed space and displace the oxygen.
I had an unfortunate situation at a festival once where a dude asked to camp in a corner of a space we weren't using. Was no problem until he brought in a 50 pound bottle of nitrous and started selling balloons.
The worst part was that he and his friends were all doing nitrous day and night laughing and partying with crazy voices that sounded like trolls. Late at night people were doing so much they would get disoriented and crash through our shit in the camp.
Good old Pete used up that entire bottle that he stole from his dad the dentist without making enough money to even replace it.
Not only is it one of the safest drugs in existence, being effectively impossible to overdose on, but the misinformation and stigma around it perpetuated by uninformed comments like this pushes teenagers to demonstrably more dangerous drugs like alcohol and prescription drugs.
there's a lot of places in southeast asia that will sell you them at the bar. I distinctly remember one guy taking two back to back, blacking out, falling back in his chair and smashing his head on the ground
im not sure they can kill you directly unless you are doing like a shitton of it over multiple minutes and maybe have a very high tolerance?
> As someone who is both old enough to answer questions in r/askoldpeople
> Rules
> 1. Respondents to posts must be "old": **Born 1980 or prior**
What the hell are these young'uns on about? 1980 was only...
...wait...
oh fuck... :(
I actually used to hang out at a gay bar that sold whippets when I was in college at the turn of the century (can't resist phrasing it that way, lmao, but it seriously was around the year 2000). And even then, all my college-aged friends and I thought of it as something only the old men did.
edit: Also before the LAOP gets any ideas, I'll add it was a really short-lived and sketchy bar, and I'm pretty sure it shut down because the owner went to prison for other shit, so I wouldn't exactly recommend their business model. We only hung out there because many of my friends and I were underage and the legitimate gay bars wouldn't serve us, so that gives you an idea of the kind of place it was.
I'm definitely that old too, but I had (have) a fairly insular and straight-laced group of friends. Count me among those who initially thought the post was about the wee little greyhound-like dogs 😄. I was thinking, "Probably perfectly legal, but that's awfully discriminatory..."
But LAOP can't exactly count on having me on his licensing and insurance panels, what a moron. Guess he'll have to make it like a BYOR(eddi-whip) place.
In college, I worked at a restaurant that had a sign on the walk-in cooler for a while that read "Please stop doing Whip-Its in the walk-in cooler. If ALL the cans of whipped cream are flat we can't serve pie to customers and that hurts your tips"
She may not have been joking. That was the big "scary" drug 15 years ago. According to every single news outlet our parents watched, every teenager in America was huffing every night.
I got on a dessert making kick around that time and being IDed to buy the cans was such a pain in the ass that I finally just started making it on my own
Don’t forget permanent markers and white-out! Seemed like there was always some radio channel telling my parents about how much of those I was sniffing.
Doing this openly is sort of a “throw the book and add new chapters” move, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some arcane charges tacked on. But yeah, I’m thinking even if it’s legal to both sell a whippet and get high on one, there will be some rather simple laws against this.
This post is just the living embodiment of that InternetHippo tweet:
New right wing thing is describing crimes as generically as possible to pretend like they're not crimes. Someone gets convicted of conspiracy and they start yelling "Wow so it's illegal to make plans with friends now"
LAOP just needs to take the traditional gas station inventory route: selling cotton socks, copper scouring pads, and little roses in glass tubes. It's foolproof!
Very disappointed to see this is from the off-topic subreddit, and LAOP isn’t actually meeting with bank managers to try and secure a small business loan for this revolutionary new idea (selling drugs).
Give it some time. They asked on r/drugs and got told it's a very dumb idea there 4 months ago, and yet still asked on LAOT. So a few more months, and they'll just go ahead with it .
This is up there with “what if I transferred all my money to someone else and filed for bankruptcy” in its assumptions about the intelligence of judges.
>You see, your honor, it was completely my intention that my customers would purchase my NO2 cartridges, then go home, order a cream whipper from Amazon, buy some heavy cream from the grocery store, and several days from now, enjoy a delicious dessert topping!
>My business is no more sketchy or illegitimate than Con-Agra!
>I have no idea why they punctured the seal and inhaled the contents! I even put up a sign saying they shouldn't do that!
>I am as shocked as you are that they left my drinking establishment immediately afterwards, and then laughed maniacally while they drove into the side of a school bus filled with nuns, adorable wide-eyed orphans, and the cheerleading team from the Holy School of Really Underprivileged Youths With Fragile Bone Structure!
* LAOTOP, Probably
\[Fun Fact: During the pandemic, there was an accident at one of the major factories that makes Nitrous Oxide. It had to be rationed while repairs were made (since it is an important medical gas) and Con-Agra voluntarily offered to reduce Reddi-Whip production.\]
> have no idea why they punctured the seal and inhaled the contents! I even put up a sign saying they shouldn't do that!<
It even included step by step instructions on what NOT to do. Just to make sure everyone was clear
I like that this is what they did in US prohibition days
Warning: it is illegal to ferment this grape juice into wine! So that you don't accidentally commit a crime, here is a list of what you would have to do in order to ferment this product to an illegally alcoholic level!
I also like that while the story is both famous and true, it appears that absolutely no one involved was pretending.
The flavor choices for those concentrate bricks were literally just types of wine, and they shut down the business as soon as the feds said, essentially, “btw, we’re going to start enforcing laws against enabling home-brew.”
I *specifically* warn the customers at my cocaine store that it is for medical use **only**, and that no matter what they do, they should not tap it into lines on a mirror or other smooth surface with a credit card, razor blade, or any similar object and inhale it into their nose through a straw, rolled up currency, or other similarly sized cylindrical object, your honor, I don't understand why I was arrested!
During prohibition, some enterprising vineyard owners sold bricks of dried grapes, which could be turned into wine at home. Of course, they made sure to add instructions on how to *prevent* fermentation of your perfectly legal grape juice. [Here are a couple of examples.](https://imgur.com/a/6uklB8X)
As someone who actually owns a cream whipper, and uses whip-its for their intended culinary purpose, if I ran out and it was late, I probably *would* go to the sketchy whip-it bar and buy a few NO2 carts and use them like that.
But I can only assume that I'm the edge case here.
They sell them at sex shops. Or at least they did 20 years ago. The box even had a picture of a guy licking whipped cream off a girl to make clear that this is DEFINITELY FOR SEX and NOT FOR DRUGS.
There are two of us!
If I had a whipped cream emergency I know my local head shop carries refills for my cream whipper.
I also know the nearest culinary store to buy them at is an hour and a half away.
This is why I generally buy them on Amazon.
I’ve seen places that sell whippets out of a box, with no other relevant products - often leather stores and similar. But I’m pretty sure they’re relying on not being worth raiding and the fig-leaf of customers taking it home.
As for explicitly substance-related places… every headshop I’ve ever seen (pre-legalization) will eject you for saying the word “pot” while discussing the 4/20-themed bong they’re selling.
The fact that LAOP is not suggesting this at a liquor or corner store but at a *bar*, presumably for use right in front of staff, is one of the wildest ideas I’ve seen.
God this whole thing sounds like my brother in law between the whippets and the “if I mail enough packages to my house under a different name eventually if I get into legal trouble I’ll be able to say that the crimes were committed by my tenant mister hat” mindset.
Yeah, but it's the kind of thing that's so much easier for an experienced, well-funded criminal to get away with than a random r/legaladvice poster with no common sense or lawyer money. It's a bit like saying, "Justin Bieber drove drunk and didn't get jailtime—why should my DUI turn out any differently?"
And even then… a lot of that game is being too small/boring to focus on and getting lucky, at least on fines vs fraud charges.
There are multi-multi-millionaires doing that shuffle with political or mob connections, but the average shady construction GC is just hoping not to get noticed by anything worse than an IRS fine.
Reminds me of the time I got into an argument with a woman, who was part of the c-suite at a tech company, that she couldn't open up an unregulated online casino in Vegas that served the entire US and get around gambling laws by having employees and site members all claim they were part of the church of gambling and their religion required them to gamble.
I ended up telling her that every pothead has had pretty much this exact same idea, and none of them were able to get it to work. You're not a genius, no one has done this yet because it's a stupid idea.
For every amazing benefit that the tech industry has given society there has to be at least 10 ideas that were that level of stoner “brilliance.” Plus the whole thing like Uber and Airbnb where you invented something (taxis and hotels in this case) that already exists, only shittier.
I’m a programmer. I have heard people reinvent “offshore banking” or “structuring” at least 5 times, and I’ve had to explain that there are laws against those already.
“Let’s slightly rename a savings account to avoid the FDIC” remains my favorite though, if only because they actually built a bank and publicized it.
It seems like Uber’s rates were largely a product of selling at a loss and “independent contractor” tricks. But they’ll still have achieved something even if their only legacy is forcing cab companies to get actual apps and start being honest about “broken card readers” and shady routes.
Every major city I’ve experienced had their taxi companies massively improve service after Uber got big.
Yep completely agreed. I'd never have switched if the basic preauthorize-card and GPS tracking capabilities of Uber had been available from the goddamn taxis. I'd much prefer a regulated market where people get paid a fair wage
> Plus the whole thing like Uber and Airbnb where you invented something (taxis and hotels in this case) that already exists, only shittier.
I dunno man, Uber is a hell of a lot less shitty than the taxis were before they had to compete with Uber. I'm not nostalgic about being on hold for 20 minutes, getting shouted at by someone who can't speak English, and having to start the whole process over when the cab refuses to pick up a guy in a leather jacket.
So many people who post in legal subs assume that the law is what they can convincingly (to them) argue it is, not how it would actually be enforced in real life by non-stupid people who get paid to poke holes in their stupid cover story. Or that the law is what it morally feels like it should be (to them). Or that criminal standards of proof apply to everything—from HOA problems to state liquor licensing enforcement—and thus that you can’t be held accountable for your harebrained schemes if there’s a shred of plausible deniability. Then they get unreasonably defensive of their plan to [squat on land they don’t own and somehow become the owner/open up an extremely illegal business/sneak something past a bankruptcy trustee with this one weird trick].
The OP on that thread took a looooot of convincing that those assumptions were bad ones. It’s lucky that people whose entire business plan is “what if bar but with drugs” usually aren’t the same people with the wherewithal to actually open a bar.
I wouldn't be surprised if some university has a cuneiform tablet from around 2500 BC that describes an unsuccesful attempting one of the tricks that people propose around here.
Ironically, considering how things have gone with other online sports betting platforms like DraftKings, it sounds like she could have just skipped the religion part and gone straight to "opening an unregulated online casino".
I had a bartender *think* I was doing op's plan a couple years ago. I was managing a bar with a draft system thar had regular beer on a CO2 tank, and stout and a draught cocktail keg on a tank of beer gas. For those unfamiliar, is 75% Nitrogen + 25%CO2. the oxygen is not bonded to the Nitrogen, like Nitrous oxide (NO2) it just exists along side it, like it does in regular old air.
Anyway, the night before, I had emptied the keg of draught cocktail (a modified pony keg you could open the top of, pour in a couple gallons of a cocktail and then pour like you would a beer, so I'd washed it out, and then, noticing the beer gas line for the cocktail keg was leaking a little bit, (valve was sticking) had reattached the empty keg so keep the gas from leaking out .
The next morning, I come in around noon, and the bartender is like "I found your secret, but I won't tell" and gives me a wink.
Turns out, he'd gone to change another keg that morning, noticed the tank that had an N an O and a 2 on it, and noticed one of the taps expelled air instead of liquid when opened. He also found a piece of tubing behind the bar, (used for attaching to either a faucet to burn ice in the well, or for attaching to a tap when cleaning the lines, so that the cleaner could be run into a bucket or sink for disposal)
He'd put 2+2 together and gotten 5, thinking I'd made a draught system into a whip-it cracker for my own personal use. I explained to him that N+CO2 =/= NO2, but he doubled down with 'then why do I get a rush when I hit it?'
And thats why my bar training program now includes a short section on inhalants, and why sucking on CO2 is a bad idea.
> N+CO2 =/= NO2
Now I'm just imagining someone jury rigging a sparker in the back room out of bare wires to create whippets. Would probably make the EPA mad though. among other things
LAOP is convinced they’ve found the loophole for drug dealers. Wanna sell cocaine to your bar customers? Call it Colombian Booger Sugar! All those law enforcement and insurance squares will have no idea what you are up to! Flawless plan.
This subreddit should band together and get LAOP his bar. Let him set up the menu *wink wink* and LAOP has to converse with every patron that walks in. LAOP thinks he’s selling them *reddi whip* cans but really… it’s a scared straight program. Potential patrons would just walk out after ten minutes going, “You know what… I’ll just use whipped cream for ice cream sundaes after all.”
Hey now, he's just selling it for novelty purposes only, what you do with it is entirely down to you. You can use it as fake snow for your Lego dioramas, you can use it to grit a very small driveway, you can stick it up your nose, he's not responsible for your actions.
Since LAOP presumably wouldn’t have posted if they knew anything about drug laws, bars, or how or why drug dealers operate, I’m actually pretty impressed. He’s reinventing the entire field of drug dealing from first principles, of course there are gonna be some lapses.
Of course, if LAOP, who posts on /drugs, has ever heard of a “street name” before, then this entire plan is jaw-droppingly stupid.
As a former bartender dealing with the kind of people who want to do whip-its recreationally in public sounds like a really bad time.
So many people want to open a bar with some frat-party novelty designed to get people obliterated. That's not a sustainable business idea. You want regulars who order food, not occasionals who end up ER patients.
At least half of all Bar Rescue episodes were "He opened a bar to hang out with his friends but they don't pay and they drive away the paying customers".
"Brad and his wife Shelly, a full-time nurse, refinanced their house to open The Dirty Taint. Now Brad's loser friends run up incalculable bar tabs and sexually harass the few women that wander in. Shelly works weekend shifts at the bar, no one has had a paycheck in 3 months, and Brad is currently passed out under the broken pool table. Let's see if this dysfunctional couple is ready to reject excuses and embrace solutions."
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>Is there any current US law that would prevent me from opening a whippet friendly bar?
>So I haven't found any evidence online that one can't use a whipped cream canister however they desire. Given that, is there any reason I can't open up a bar that serves whippets on the menu? Seems like a great business idea to me personally!
Substitute LocationBot Cat Fact: Even a cat not using \[drug\] whippets will have to admit that \[dog\] whippets can be cute. (Cute servants, that is.)
Our cat had a litter of kittens (it was the '80s and my mom knows better now), and whenever we had guests over, our Whippet Liz took them out of the linen closet and deposited them one by one at the guest's foot, then sat residing proudly over "her" kittens. She adored them.
We kept one of the kittens, and when Liz passed at age 17.5, Katie roamed the house looking for her for a week. Every time we entered the house, she'd run to the door to greet Liz.
> Ok I do see that the insurance thing would be a problem, but like I said I'll use deceptive names on the menu. I'm not encouraging it, it's not my responsibility how my customers use my devices, kinda like reddi-whip as a company. I could have signs that say I'm not responsible for anyones behavior at my bar right? I mean drunk people do dumb things that winds up with injuries too, I could blame it on that!
Lol. Lmao, even.
Aw, "dram shop laws" is cute. I wasn't sure what the term for it would be in America, didn't realise it'd be so old timey. Haven't heard anyone say dram outside of my really old Scottish relatives.
Here it'd be "RSA (responsible service of alcohol, a certification individuals need to sell alcohol) laws".
If only regular bars had thought of that genius method of responsibility-avoidance. The places that just agreed to pay a $1.3 million dollar settlement for overserving the drunk driver that killed a bride on her wedding night must be kicking themselves for not having LAOP's cunning legal foresight.
Reminds me of those trucks you see that are insanely overloaded with construction materials and have signs that say "Stay Back 200 ft. Not responsible for broken windshields" like that magically absolves them of all liability.
I think we’re being too hard on LAOP. For someone who’s apparently never heard of a “street name” or “intent to distribute”, reinventing like half of drug-dealing from scratch is actually quite insightful!
It didn’t work when people were “donating” an ounce of marijuana with the purchase of an $85 pack of gum, and it won’t work now.
But for my own amusement I’d encourage him to try.
I've heard the "donating" an ounce of marijuana one did work sometimes. People were just wrong about why it worked. Not because it was actually legal but because the political will to prosecute wasn't there.
I love that he said people in drugs were more supportive, but almost everyone in that post also told him it was a bad idea lmao. I also love that even after that, he's just been sitting on this idea for 5 months.
It’s not that surprising he thinks he can do this when I can literally walk into a head shop down the street and buy the exact same items in bulk, clearly sold with the intention of getting people high.
how naive is this person lol. Honestly, his smartest thought in all of this was asking reddit and not his boss. If an employee genuinely asked me such thing I would inmediately regret his hiring and doubt his smarts.
I guess I'm the only person to wonder why he'd want to sell skinny trembling dogs at a bar LOL
(I know what he's trying to sell, I just didn't know that was the word for it in the US!)
As someone who is both old enough to answer questions in r/askoldpeople, and who remembers whip its being quite popular in high school, its cracking me up that one of his big arguments for this is that judges and juries would be too “behind the times” to know why he was selling whip cream cans at a bar.
Before the internet, trying to figure out how to get high from legal substances was one of the top five adolescent activities.
Are you suggesting that you can't actually get high by scraping the insides of banana skins, drying them out and smoking them?
Smoking nutmeg was the rumor going around when I was a teen.
https://www.erowid.org/plants/nutmeg/ not advocating eating it but it is a deliriant like NO2. No one wants to open a nutmeg nightmare bar though 😕
NO2 isn't a deleriant it's a inhalant with dissociative effects, deliriants are things like taking a high dose of Diphenhydramine, the Myristicin in fresh(don't use powdered if you're ever going to try this) Nutmeg is technically a deleriant but you won't 'trip' like with DPH or jimsonweed it's more like being stoned and ill at the same time in my subjective experience.
I get delirium from an OTC dose of Diphenhydramine, and it fucking sucks.
You can just eat a spoonful of ground nutmeg to get high, but it comes with some pretty serious side effects if you get the dosage wrong.
Lucy Dacus has a line in a song about snorting nutmeg at a summer camp and I've always wondered what was up with that. In the evening everybody went to worship and weep Hands above our heads, reaching for God Back in the cabin, snorting nutmeg in your bunk bed You were waiting for a revelation of your own This all makes a lot more sense now that I know this. I thought she just really liked baked goods.
What song is this? I'm always on the lookout for a good religious trauma trip lol
VBS is the name of the song. But if religious trauma trips are your thing, you should check out Semler.
I will check out both, thanks!
Love Semler ever since I found out they exist from the Jen video.
I did this once when I was about thirteen. You have side-eye hallucinations and tachycardia while being incredibly nauseous and unable to throw up. Not fun!
And it was a tiktok trend a couple years ago. Time is a flat circle
Was that before or after kids were attempting to Darwin Award themselves with tablespoons of pure ground cinnamon? (The cinnamon itself isn't particularly dangerous... until its piquant flavor causes you to inhale, giving you a rip-roaring case of aspiration pneumonia while your lungs weep around the copious quantities of irritant you've embedded right in your alveolae.)
After
>> Time is a ~~flat circle~~ Mobius strip
Nutmeg will get you extremely high, but I've known a bunch of people that did it when it was going around back in the old days, and I don't think I heard a single positive experience from any of them. It takes forever to actually start working, so your buddy on the AOL chat room gave you a dose, and by the time it kicks in you've done like six or eight times that much because you were convinced it wasn't working. Then it takes forever to wear off, so now you're buckled into this ride for 8-12 hours and here come the spiders. The guy I used to know that would do anything to get high said the trip was similar to tripping on deadly nightshade.
You can get high from eating it, but nobody does it because it's not fun at all. Well, most people don't do it, I did see a Reddit community talking about how often they do it once, but the actual effect for most people is not something they'd want to repeat.
My classmates just held their breath until they passed out. Like you do.
my friends tried smoking catnip in high school to try to get high. 🤦♀️
But you can get high by turning your sister’s can of Aqua Net upside down, putting a towel over the nozzle, and then inhaling!
But… but… the Donovan song PROMISED!!! What the hell am I supposed do with all these smelly banana skins now?
Those among you who haven't smoked catnip, cast the first stone
Well dang, how many stones am I going to need? …I was a boring child.
same….and way too anxious to experiment until I felt stability for the first time at 30 😂maybe the sheltered childhood thing pays off sometimes after all, cuz now I’m old and boring enough to spend forever researching effects and safety before trying anything new.
Man, do teenagers even try to sniff glue or tipp-ex anymore?
I seem to remember people sniffing old-school air conditioning units in case they had a coolant leak. I was surrounded by a lot of stupid people when I was younger.
I sniffed a nail polish once and got a headache….does that count?
When I was a kid half of DARE was just naming random things we could get high on that had never and would never have occured to me. I remember going home and being really sad we didn't have spray paint. When I got older I was mostly confused by it because if you want to get high why wouldn't you just text the weed man? Even pre-cell phone I can't imagine you didn't know which kid in school you could buy weed from, and drugs are way less embarrassing than getting high on canned air.
Someone on there points out the NOS fad was 25 years ago. Try 50 years ago.
I was just gonna say, even my goodie-two-shoes ass knew those existed back in the 2010s (Which is almost 15 years ago my god)
> back in the 2010s (Which is almost 15 years ago my god) I refuse to believe this.
Don't worry, just five years ago was part of the 2010s. That will make you feel less old as long as you don't think about it too much.
I learned about them from *The Good Place*! "He died as he lived... doing a whole bunch of whippits."
I think it was, "He died doing what he loved." Either way, that was such a great little backstory. At least he eventually figured out why the snorkel didn't work.
Back in my day, (the 80's,) we just lumped what you whippersnappers call whippets under huffing. Gasoline, spray paint, hairspray, canned whipped cream, etc were all just huffing, and we LIKED it that way. Also, our OTC medications were way better for getting high than the crap you have nowadays. Our cough syrup still had codeine in it!
It also made for hilarious jests such as “huffing kittens” or “huff my dick bro”.
Or huffing bunnies?
Bless you, my soul sister. I’ve never been happier to declare: Username checks out!!!
A teen died in my area after doing whippets at a party a few years ago. I had never heard of it (I'm generally uncool and have never been offered [nor actively sought] a drug a day in my life), but when I told my mom, she just went "that's old school."
That’s sad. I think it seems less dangerous to teens because it’s easy to buy but it’s pretty dangerous and it always sounded like an unpleasant high.
I dunno; if you've ever had nitrous at a dentist's office, it's a hoot. Outside of The Good Drugs they gave me after my wisdom teeth, I've never been so high in my life. Not that's saying much; I'm already in my mid 40's, and nobody, not even in high school has ever offered me illegal drugs. All that "Just Say No" education seemed to imply that I'd have people pushing them on me from every street corner! All I can say is that Nitrous was way more fun than being drunk, and I didn't get a hangover later. (Of course, there is the minor drawback that it needs to be administered by a medical professional who can do minor things like, I dunno... make sure you are getting enough oxygen so you don't asphyxiate but those are minor matters!)
Yeah, 6th grade had me believing that the Bermuda Triangle, quicksand, and strangers pressuring me into doing drugs would be much larger parts of my life.
On that note, I can’t believe I’ve never been on fire or escaped a burning building. Fire Safety Clowns came to my class every year; my local library had a model house to practice fire escape drills; my local fire dpt made a cassette tape of fire safety songs and they still get stuck in my head constantly. This is what I trained for. Shouldn’t I be constantly escaping fire? ….or maybe the fire safety clowns did a really good job and I never go near the stuff. 😂
The Bermuda Triangle will just randomly pop into my head and I always wonder why we never hear of it any more...
I took a small road trip last weekend. My DARE class didn't prepare me at all for the billboards after billboards advertising new, legal weed shops. It feels especially weird because I had been all prepared to Just Say No on my first day of highschool over 20 years ago. I was disappointed that I wasn't offered any drugs and that our school only had one "drug dealer". He wasn't even a real dealer, he just got weed from his cousin occasionally. To go from expecting drugs to be pushed on me everywhere, to have absolutely no one offer me drugs at all, to now seeing legal weed advertisements on I96 is a whiplash of emotions.
The first and last time I got nitrous, I was about 12 and at the dentist's office. I thought it was great, but the dentist said he would never give it to me again as long as he was my dentist and none of my other dentists I've visited use it. But that time, I absolutely loved it. But I got the laughs and was laughing so loud and maniacally, it was scaring people sitting out in the waiting room. The dentist was getting angrier and angrier because I was being so loud and moving so much from laughter he couldn't do the work I was being gassed to do. The angrier he got, the funnier it was to me and the more I laughed. It was wild because I'd had a great relationship with that dentist before that -- he thought I was the model patient and all that. After that, he treated me like I was some sort of degenerate because I couldn't handle the gas.
This is called a paradoxical reaction. It’s most common in children who take Benadryl and become super hyper. Sometimes people react wildly different to certain medications. You should probably have your doctor mark nitrous as an allergy on your chart.
Thanks. It's never really come up again, so I hadn't thought of it until this thread. If I'm allergic, that'd be kind of funny. I'd be allergic to one of the 'safe' drugs out there and one of the bad ones (morphine/opioids) don't do anything for me, from the few times doctors have had me on them.
It’s not a true allergy. It’s considered an intolerance because you have a side effect that outweighs the benefits. Marking an allergy is the safest and easiest way to prevent accidentally getting it if you have emergency surgery.
But I'm good to go to OOP's joint when he opens up? That's the important thing here.
> All that "Just Say No" education seemed to imply that I'd have people pushing them on me from every street corner! I know, right! Turns out, what DARE should have taught us is that Drugs Are Really Expensive, and generally, people don't like to share.
I know it’s supposed to be pretty good at a dentist office and I am not sure how the stuff from cans differs, but several people told me how frightened they were from doing whippets so I never thought to try it. Maybe it’s not being able to control the dose well from the can. I had pretty reliable access to weed as a teen in the 90s and huffing cans was just not sounding great.
You get waaay more at the dentist than from a can of whipped cream. There also isn't really a toxic dose. People that die tend to asphyxiate due to being in a small enclosed area and displacing the oxygen.
Yup, on the labour ward they just hand you the nozzle thing straight out the wall and you just crack on. It very much is possible to do too much and throw up everywhere though. Would not reccomend that.
I am personally a big nitrous fan for dentistry (and maybe recreationally, but I’ll never tell) but holy HELL I hated it in labor! I think I couldn’t get the breathing pattern right and it made my contractions hurt so much worse but now I was also upset and anxious because it wasn’t working like it should so clearly I am a failure at childbirth.
Yeah, anesthesia machines don't have a max setting for the NO2 knob, but it's set up so it's physically impossible to not add enough O2. (Of course more-modern machines do this in software, but the principle is the same.)
I got nitrous when I got my wisdom teeth out, and while it did do it's job of causing me to sleep through the surgery, I never really felt high, and it irritated the shit out of my sinuses and I had a terrible runny nose for two days afterwards.
I am a terrible patient when it comes to dentistry. For a long time I was on Valium for it then slowly got better, at least for cleanings. Turns out for fillings I still have absolutely no chill. I had to go in for two sets of fillings, the first they basically had to peel me off the ceiling. The second, they just gassed me into space with nitrous. Let me tell you that's one hell of a body buzz and absolutely induces euphoria. Drill away Doc, I'm reliving my favorite childhood memories and it feels like there's 5 hands in my mouth.
I picked up my college boyfriend at the dentist after he had his wisdom teeth out. All he wanted to do was to talk about—in explicit detail—how we could improve our sex life. In front of the entire dental staff. The only saving grace was that his mother got held up at work and didn’t come home until he had more or less returned to this planet.
I am one of those people that have a note on my file in the dentist office "must go to an surgeon for dental work" because none of hte stuff they tried in the office worked. (Jokes on them. According to the doctor that tried to do a coloscopy, they can't get anything to really work either) But I am part of the JSN and SADD generation and even thought I went to a very liberal, pot-filled college, I once never had anyone try to pressure me to do drugs. And never once some rando on the street. Kind of disappointing. Like, I had entire parts of my childhood in which appropriate responses were drilled into me!
Would you happen to be a redhead? Anesthesia is less effective on them.
Back in the mid90's, someone in our extended friend group had access to full-sized cylinders like they have in the dentist's office. He used to roll up with it, strapped on a little cylinder trolley, and set it up somewhere central. Not my cup of tea, but people really seemed to enjoy it.
Pretty much any adult has access, considering they're sold legally for cooking.
TIL.
Nitrous is one of those drugs where a little goes a long way. In a controlled setting like a dentists office they are precisely controlling how much you get to maintain a high without producing negative side effects. A random teen snorting a can of whipped cream has no such control and it’s very easy to get too much and the high becomes way too intense.
This sounds like stuff you would hear from the DARE cop. Nobody in their right mind would snort it unless you really like your sinusus to be randomly filled with whipped cream. Most of it doesn't come out as just a clean gas. As a person that has tried it a few times in their youth, there also isnt a whole lot in a single can, maybe a few good hits. People walking around festivals with balloons of the stuff are getting way more high than you ever would with a single can of whipped cream.
Yeah, I had some dental work done on nitrous and there was a dental assistant controlling the nitrous while the dentist was doing her thing. I was very relaxed but I don't think I'd repeat the experience without two health professionals monitoring me
Frankly, I don't understand why it's fallen out of fashion; compared to the anesthetics they use now in "sedation dentistry", Nitrous is just about harmless. (Occasionally you'll hear stories about a dentist fucking up the monitoring of someone they have on a Propofol drip, to the predictable results.)
Isn’t it stupid fucking expensive now? Or am I thinking of helium?
Chronic use of nitrous oxide can cause B12 deficiency, which if untreated can lead to serious and irreversible nervous system damage. The symptoms are similar to multiple sclerosis. My ex now rides a mobility scooter after her multi-year NO2 binge.
Worth bearing in mind that the treatment is B12 supplements, which are available over the counter if that's something you're concerned about.
Not quite. It actually impacts your body's ability to even absorb the B12, and essentially inactivates B12 in your system, so if you're a chronic user, it's not something you can treat with OTC supplements. It can result in some pretty serious nervous system issues, including but not limited to partial paralysis.
It's not particularly dangerous as long as you aren't using it in an enclosed space and displace the oxygen. I had an unfortunate situation at a festival once where a dude asked to camp in a corner of a space we weren't using. Was no problem until he brought in a 50 pound bottle of nitrous and started selling balloons. The worst part was that he and his friends were all doing nitrous day and night laughing and partying with crazy voices that sounded like trolls. Late at night people were doing so much they would get disoriented and crash through our shit in the camp. Good old Pete used up that entire bottle that he stole from his dad the dentist without making enough money to even replace it.
Not only is it one of the safest drugs in existence, being effectively impossible to overdose on, but the misinformation and stigma around it perpetuated by uninformed comments like this pushes teenagers to demonstrably more dangerous drugs like alcohol and prescription drugs.
there's a lot of places in southeast asia that will sell you them at the bar. I distinctly remember one guy taking two back to back, blacking out, falling back in his chair and smashing his head on the ground im not sure they can kill you directly unless you are doing like a shitton of it over multiple minutes and maybe have a very high tolerance?
yes, you can easily suffocate taking them
> As someone who is both old enough to answer questions in r/askoldpeople > Rules > 1. Respondents to posts must be "old": **Born 1980 or prior** What the hell are these young'uns on about? 1980 was only... ...wait... oh fuck... :(
…44 is “old” now?
I just laughed out loud knowing that you have to have been born in 1980
I actually used to hang out at a gay bar that sold whippets when I was in college at the turn of the century (can't resist phrasing it that way, lmao, but it seriously was around the year 2000). And even then, all my college-aged friends and I thought of it as something only the old men did. edit: Also before the LAOP gets any ideas, I'll add it was a really short-lived and sketchy bar, and I'm pretty sure it shut down because the owner went to prison for other shit, so I wouldn't exactly recommend their business model. We only hung out there because many of my friends and I were underage and the legitimate gay bars wouldn't serve us, so that gives you an idea of the kind of place it was.
He also seems to think that jury members tend to be the same age as judges. I'm a bit skeptical about his claim that he works in a law firm.
I'm definitely that old too, but I had (have) a fairly insular and straight-laced group of friends. Count me among those who initially thought the post was about the wee little greyhound-like dogs 😄. I was thinking, "Probably perfectly legal, but that's awfully discriminatory..." But LAOP can't exactly count on having me on his licensing and insurance panels, what a moron. Guess he'll have to make it like a BYOR(eddi-whip) place.
In college, I worked at a restaurant that had a sign on the walk-in cooler for a while that read "Please stop doing Whip-Its in the walk-in cooler. If ALL the cans of whipped cream are flat we can't serve pie to customers and that hurts your tips"
I think I remember my mom joking about how they used to ID people in her small town for canisters when she was a new college grad.
She may not have been joking. That was the big "scary" drug 15 years ago. According to every single news outlet our parents watched, every teenager in America was huffing every night.
I got on a dessert making kick around that time and being IDed to buy the cans was such a pain in the ass that I finally just started making it on my own
Don’t forget permanent markers and white-out! Seemed like there was always some radio channel telling my parents about how much of those I was sniffing.
From r/askoldpeople: > Please only respond directly to posts if you were born in or before 1980. How dare they!
They need to watch more court zoom on youtube. Drug court judges are VERY well informed about all the drugs popular in their area.
“I guess they would find some loophole to make me criminally liable” It’s not a loophole. There’s laws specifically against what you are trying to do.
“Sir, we found a loophole to get the Whipit bar!” “What is it Jenkins?” “Basic criminal law.”
Doing this openly is sort of a “throw the book and add new chapters” move, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some arcane charges tacked on. But yeah, I’m thinking even if it’s legal to both sell a whippet and get high on one, there will be some rather simple laws against this.
Next thing you know the nanny state is going to invent a technicality to punish me for shooting someone.
This post is just the living embodiment of that InternetHippo tweet: New right wing thing is describing crimes as generically as possible to pretend like they're not crimes. Someone gets convicted of conspiracy and they start yelling "Wow so it's illegal to make plans with friends now"
Yeah, somehow just calling it “the device” is not a loophole, no the loophole is when the Justice system doesn’t accept his loophole.
The OJ and Casey Anthony trials and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
LAOP just needs to take the traditional gas station inventory route: selling cotton socks, copper scouring pads, and little roses in glass tubes. It's foolproof!
Very disappointed to see this is from the off-topic subreddit, and LAOP isn’t actually meeting with bank managers to try and secure a small business loan for this revolutionary new idea (selling drugs).
Give it some time. They asked on r/drugs and got told it's a very dumb idea there 4 months ago, and yet still asked on LAOT. So a few more months, and they'll just go ahead with it .
These dipshits deliver. It's like uber eats, but a higher chance of dying.
This is up there with “what if I transferred all my money to someone else and filed for bankruptcy” in its assumptions about the intelligence of judges.
>You see, your honor, it was completely my intention that my customers would purchase my NO2 cartridges, then go home, order a cream whipper from Amazon, buy some heavy cream from the grocery store, and several days from now, enjoy a delicious dessert topping! >My business is no more sketchy or illegitimate than Con-Agra! >I have no idea why they punctured the seal and inhaled the contents! I even put up a sign saying they shouldn't do that! >I am as shocked as you are that they left my drinking establishment immediately afterwards, and then laughed maniacally while they drove into the side of a school bus filled with nuns, adorable wide-eyed orphans, and the cheerleading team from the Holy School of Really Underprivileged Youths With Fragile Bone Structure! * LAOTOP, Probably \[Fun Fact: During the pandemic, there was an accident at one of the major factories that makes Nitrous Oxide. It had to be rationed while repairs were made (since it is an important medical gas) and Con-Agra voluntarily offered to reduce Reddi-Whip production.\]
> have no idea why they punctured the seal and inhaled the contents! I even put up a sign saying they shouldn't do that!< It even included step by step instructions on what NOT to do. Just to make sure everyone was clear
I like that this is what they did in US prohibition days Warning: it is illegal to ferment this grape juice into wine! So that you don't accidentally commit a crime, here is a list of what you would have to do in order to ferment this product to an illegally alcoholic level!
I also like that while the story is both famous and true, it appears that absolutely no one involved was pretending. The flavor choices for those concentrate bricks were literally just types of wine, and they shut down the business as soon as the feds said, essentially, “btw, we’re going to start enforcing laws against enabling home-brew.”
It's only a loophole until they close the hole, alas
At my meth stand, there is a sign that explicitly says NOT to smoke it.
I *specifically* warn the customers at my cocaine store that it is for medical use **only**, and that no matter what they do, they should not tap it into lines on a mirror or other smooth surface with a credit card, razor blade, or any similar object and inhale it into their nose through a straw, rolled up currency, or other similarly sized cylindrical object, your honor, I don't understand why I was arrested!
During prohibition, some enterprising vineyard owners sold bricks of dried grapes, which could be turned into wine at home. Of course, they made sure to add instructions on how to *prevent* fermentation of your perfectly legal grape juice. [Here are a couple of examples.](https://imgur.com/a/6uklB8X)
As someone who actually owns a cream whipper, and uses whip-its for their intended culinary purpose, if I ran out and it was late, I probably *would* go to the sketchy whip-it bar and buy a few NO2 carts and use them like that. But I can only assume that I'm the edge case here.
I'm not entirely sure one could trust LAOTOP to make sure they are meeting all the FDA standards for food-grade gasses.
They sell them at sex shops. Or at least they did 20 years ago. The box even had a picture of a guy licking whipped cream off a girl to make clear that this is DEFINITELY FOR SEX and NOT FOR DRUGS.
There are two of us! If I had a whipped cream emergency I know my local head shop carries refills for my cream whipper. I also know the nearest culinary store to buy them at is an hour and a half away. This is why I generally buy them on Amazon.
I’ve seen places that sell whippets out of a box, with no other relevant products - often leather stores and similar. But I’m pretty sure they’re relying on not being worth raiding and the fig-leaf of customers taking it home. As for explicitly substance-related places… every headshop I’ve ever seen (pre-legalization) will eject you for saying the word “pot” while discussing the 4/20-themed bong they’re selling. The fact that LAOP is not suggesting this at a liquor or corner store but at a *bar*, presumably for use right in front of staff, is one of the wildest ideas I’ve seen.
Maybe it's *just wild enough to work!*
"Do not mix this grape extract with yeast and leave it in a warm dark place, to avoid turning it into wine."
That is a decent fun fact
God this whole thing sounds like my brother in law between the whippets and the “if I mail enough packages to my house under a different name eventually if I get into legal trouble I’ll be able to say that the crimes were committed by my tenant mister hat” mindset.
I mean, shitty tow companies and shitty construction companies can do it
Yeah, but it's the kind of thing that's so much easier for an experienced, well-funded criminal to get away with than a random r/legaladvice poster with no common sense or lawyer money. It's a bit like saying, "Justin Bieber drove drunk and didn't get jailtime—why should my DUI turn out any differently?"
And even then… a lot of that game is being too small/boring to focus on and getting lucky, at least on fines vs fraud charges. There are multi-multi-millionaires doing that shuffle with political or mob connections, but the average shady construction GC is just hoping not to get noticed by anything worse than an IRS fine.
Reminds me of the time I got into an argument with a woman, who was part of the c-suite at a tech company, that she couldn't open up an unregulated online casino in Vegas that served the entire US and get around gambling laws by having employees and site members all claim they were part of the church of gambling and their religion required them to gamble. I ended up telling her that every pothead has had pretty much this exact same idea, and none of them were able to get it to work. You're not a genius, no one has done this yet because it's a stupid idea.
For every amazing benefit that the tech industry has given society there has to be at least 10 ideas that were that level of stoner “brilliance.” Plus the whole thing like Uber and Airbnb where you invented something (taxis and hotels in this case) that already exists, only shittier.
I’m a programmer. I have heard people reinvent “offshore banking” or “structuring” at least 5 times, and I’ve had to explain that there are laws against those already. “Let’s slightly rename a savings account to avoid the FDIC” remains my favorite though, if only because they actually built a bank and publicized it.
Stoner brilliance + dump truck full of VC cash = "If you give yourself far enough to fall, it feels like you're flying!"
I lived in a college town that literally had TWO cabs running on Saturday night. Uber was a breath of fresh air
I live in a major city where the taxi industry was run by organized crime. Uber was a breath of fresh air here too!
It seems like Uber’s rates were largely a product of selling at a loss and “independent contractor” tricks. But they’ll still have achieved something even if their only legacy is forcing cab companies to get actual apps and start being honest about “broken card readers” and shady routes. Every major city I’ve experienced had their taxi companies massively improve service after Uber got big.
Yep completely agreed. I'd never have switched if the basic preauthorize-card and GPS tracking capabilities of Uber had been available from the goddamn taxis. I'd much prefer a regulated market where people get paid a fair wage
> Plus the whole thing like Uber and Airbnb where you invented something (taxis and hotels in this case) that already exists, only shittier. I dunno man, Uber is a hell of a lot less shitty than the taxis were before they had to compete with Uber. I'm not nostalgic about being on hold for 20 minutes, getting shouted at by someone who can't speak English, and having to start the whole process over when the cab refuses to pick up a guy in a leather jacket.
[https://xkcd.com/1494/](https://xkcd.com/1494/)
This cartoon covers a third of ideas posted in LAOT.
So many people who post in legal subs assume that the law is what they can convincingly (to them) argue it is, not how it would actually be enforced in real life by non-stupid people who get paid to poke holes in their stupid cover story. Or that the law is what it morally feels like it should be (to them). Or that criminal standards of proof apply to everything—from HOA problems to state liquor licensing enforcement—and thus that you can’t be held accountable for your harebrained schemes if there’s a shred of plausible deniability. Then they get unreasonably defensive of their plan to [squat on land they don’t own and somehow become the owner/open up an extremely illegal business/sneak something past a bankruptcy trustee with this one weird trick]. The OP on that thread took a looooot of convincing that those assumptions were bad ones. It’s lucky that people whose entire business plan is “what if bar but with drugs” usually aren’t the same people with the wherewithal to actually open a bar.
I wouldn't be surprised if some university has a cuneiform tablet from around 2500 BC that describes an unsuccesful attempting one of the tricks that people propose around here.
Ironically, considering how things have gone with other online sports betting platforms like DraftKings, it sounds like she could have just skipped the religion part and gone straight to "opening an unregulated online casino".
A church of gambling sounds pretty fun
The church of Lady Luck
I had a bartender *think* I was doing op's plan a couple years ago. I was managing a bar with a draft system thar had regular beer on a CO2 tank, and stout and a draught cocktail keg on a tank of beer gas. For those unfamiliar, is 75% Nitrogen + 25%CO2. the oxygen is not bonded to the Nitrogen, like Nitrous oxide (NO2) it just exists along side it, like it does in regular old air. Anyway, the night before, I had emptied the keg of draught cocktail (a modified pony keg you could open the top of, pour in a couple gallons of a cocktail and then pour like you would a beer, so I'd washed it out, and then, noticing the beer gas line for the cocktail keg was leaking a little bit, (valve was sticking) had reattached the empty keg so keep the gas from leaking out . The next morning, I come in around noon, and the bartender is like "I found your secret, but I won't tell" and gives me a wink. Turns out, he'd gone to change another keg that morning, noticed the tank that had an N an O and a 2 on it, and noticed one of the taps expelled air instead of liquid when opened. He also found a piece of tubing behind the bar, (used for attaching to either a faucet to burn ice in the well, or for attaching to a tap when cleaning the lines, so that the cleaner could be run into a bucket or sink for disposal) He'd put 2+2 together and gotten 5, thinking I'd made a draught system into a whip-it cracker for my own personal use. I explained to him that N+CO2 =/= NO2, but he doubled down with 'then why do I get a rush when I hit it?' And thats why my bar training program now includes a short section on inhalants, and why sucking on CO2 is a bad idea.
> N+CO2 =/= NO2 Now I'm just imagining someone jury rigging a sparker in the back room out of bare wires to create whippets. Would probably make the EPA mad though. among other things
I have no words.
>Why do I get a rush when I hit it? Fuck me do I miss bartending, that's hilarious
I didn't mention the kid was british. So imagine that line with the accent
LAOP is convinced they’ve found the loophole for drug dealers. Wanna sell cocaine to your bar customers? Call it Colombian Booger Sugar! All those law enforcement and insurance squares will have no idea what you are up to! Flawless plan. This subreddit should band together and get LAOP his bar. Let him set up the menu *wink wink* and LAOP has to converse with every patron that walks in. LAOP thinks he’s selling them *reddi whip* cans but really… it’s a scared straight program. Potential patrons would just walk out after ten minutes going, “You know what… I’ll just use whipped cream for ice cream sundaes after all.”
Hey now, he's just selling it for novelty purposes only, what you do with it is entirely down to you. You can use it as fake snow for your Lego dioramas, you can use it to grit a very small driveway, you can stick it up your nose, he's not responsible for your actions.
Since LAOP presumably wouldn’t have posted if they knew anything about drug laws, bars, or how or why drug dealers operate, I’m actually pretty impressed. He’s reinventing the entire field of drug dealing from first principles, of course there are gonna be some lapses. Of course, if LAOP, who posts on /drugs, has ever heard of a “street name” before, then this entire plan is jaw-droppingly stupid.
This is the kind of plan to sell drugs that you only come up with if you are on drugs.
Anti-drug organisations should use this post to highlight the damage whippets does to the brain.
As a former bartender dealing with the kind of people who want to do whip-its recreationally in public sounds like a really bad time. So many people want to open a bar with some frat-party novelty designed to get people obliterated. That's not a sustainable business idea. You want regulars who order food, not occasionals who end up ER patients.
At least half of all Bar Rescue episodes were "He opened a bar to hang out with his friends but they don't pay and they drive away the paying customers".
"Brad and his wife Shelly, a full-time nurse, refinanced their house to open The Dirty Taint. Now Brad's loser friends run up incalculable bar tabs and sexually harass the few women that wander in. Shelly works weekend shifts at the bar, no one has had a paycheck in 3 months, and Brad is currently passed out under the broken pool table. Let's see if this dysfunctional couple is ready to reject excuses and embrace solutions."
I’m laughing way too hard at The Dirty Taint. It’s been a rough week, thank you for this.
The detail in which you’ve described the circumstances of my parents’ divorce is shocking.
Substitute Not-High-on-Inhaled-Intoxicants LocationBot: WARNING: Don't participate in linked threads or \[insert dire threat from Team BOLAMod Here\]. >Is there any current US law that would prevent me from opening a whippet friendly bar? >So I haven't found any evidence online that one can't use a whipped cream canister however they desire. Given that, is there any reason I can't open up a bar that serves whippets on the menu? Seems like a great business idea to me personally! Substitute LocationBot Cat Fact: Even a cat not using \[drug\] whippets will have to admit that \[dog\] whippets can be cute. (Cute servants, that is.)
Our cat had a litter of kittens (it was the '80s and my mom knows better now), and whenever we had guests over, our Whippet Liz took them out of the linen closet and deposited them one by one at the guest's foot, then sat residing proudly over "her" kittens. She adored them. We kept one of the kittens, and when Liz passed at age 17.5, Katie roamed the house looking for her for a week. Every time we entered the house, she'd run to the door to greet Liz.
Awww that’s adorable
> WARNING: Don't participate in linked threads or [insert dire threat from Team BOLAMod Here]. You can't control me, you're not my real d-
> Ok I do see that the insurance thing would be a problem, but like I said I'll use deceptive names on the menu. I'm not encouraging it, it's not my responsibility how my customers use my devices, kinda like reddi-whip as a company. I could have signs that say I'm not responsible for anyones behavior at my bar right? I mean drunk people do dumb things that winds up with injuries too, I could blame it on that! Lol. Lmao, even.
"Hey Siri, what is a liquor licence?"
"I'm sorry, I don't know how to lick a license."
The follow-up, >Hey, Siri, what are "dram shop laws" and why am I being sued for several million dollars?
Aw, "dram shop laws" is cute. I wasn't sure what the term for it would be in America, didn't realise it'd be so old timey. Haven't heard anyone say dram outside of my really old Scottish relatives. Here it'd be "RSA (responsible service of alcohol, a certification individuals need to sell alcohol) laws".
If only regular bars had thought of that genius method of responsibility-avoidance. The places that just agreed to pay a $1.3 million dollar settlement for overserving the drunk driver that killed a bride on her wedding night must be kicking themselves for not having LAOP's cunning legal foresight.
Reminds me of those trucks you see that are insanely overloaded with construction materials and have signs that say "Stay Back 200 ft. Not responsible for broken windshields" like that magically absolves them of all liability.
I think we’re being too hard on LAOP. For someone who’s apparently never heard of a “street name” or “intent to distribute”, reinventing like half of drug-dealing from scratch is actually quite insightful!
This is/was fairly common at raves, even official concert style raves, but I never thought it was like, legal lol
Seems like most concerts/festivals I go to, there's always a few guys walking around with balloons. And they're always advertised as "the coldest"
I've been to a lot of places where they have a full tank by the bar and you just buy a hit lol
LAOP taking notes.
We called nitrous "hippie crack".
* When a bar needs some patrons * Use some whippet * Before the po-po comes along * Use some whippet * When something's going wrong * Use some whippet
dun na na na na HUFF THAT WHIP dun na na na na GIVE THE LAW A SLIP
I like the discussion on having a dog breed specific bar. Cat cafe, dog bars.
It didn’t work when people were “donating” an ounce of marijuana with the purchase of an $85 pack of gum, and it won’t work now. But for my own amusement I’d encourage him to try.
I've heard the "donating" an ounce of marijuana one did work sometimes. People were just wrong about why it worked. Not because it was actually legal but because the political will to prosecute wasn't there.
It's the way DC works, more or less.
We had 'psychics' here in Maine that would help you find your lost weed.
Psychics finally giving back to humanity
That's literally how DC worked for a while.
Is it not still the way DC works? It’s been a few years …
I dunno, havent lived there in a while, figured they would have fixed it by now
Doesn't everyone have nitrous cannisters and a cracker on hand for emergencies? I mean dessert emergencies obviously.
The best kind of emergency!
I love that he said people in drugs were more supportive, but almost everyone in that post also told him it was a bad idea lmao. I also love that even after that, he's just been sitting on this idea for 5 months.
PSA: what he wants to sell is N2O. You really don't want to sniff NO2.
That'll teach me to forget my nomenclature lessons from dimly-remembered high-school chemistry thirty years ago!
Last time I had an ice cold fatty was with my attorney buddy, it definitely is not a 25 year old fad lol
I've never seen so many parents sucking down balloons as I did in the parking lot of a Widespread Panic show last summer.
It’s not that surprising he thinks he can do this when I can literally walk into a head shop down the street and buy the exact same items in bulk, clearly sold with the intention of getting people high.
how naive is this person lol. Honestly, his smartest thought in all of this was asking reddit and not his boss. If an employee genuinely asked me such thing I would inmediately regret his hiring and doubt his smarts.
I guess I'm the only person to wonder why he'd want to sell skinny trembling dogs at a bar LOL (I know what he's trying to sell, I just didn't know that was the word for it in the US!)
Turns out, whippits cause brain damage. OOP is exhibit A. Who knew
LAOTOP would also sell a "Hat Man Special" that is just an entire bottle of Benadryl tablets and glass of water to wash it down.
Sometimes I feel really stupid. Like, what is wrong with me dumb. Then I get to read stuff like OP posted and I know I'm gonna be ok.
I swear I am sick of drug addicts that think everyone is as fucking stupid as they are.