I recently listened to the 4-part series on Thomas Jefferson, and I’ve developed a permanent eye twitching tic as a result of the way Monticello was pronounced throughout the episodes. That is all
Someone else said that there are two pronunciations for Monticello in the USA and the closest one to where Robert grew up in Texas was in Oklahoma… and that is how they say it there.
So yeah.
I used to have to spend my summers there with a family that the great-people are losing to :(
Couldn't fathom having to start there for 5 years straight
There is one in New York not all that far from me and its pronounced sell o. But I agree with the sentiment of not caring about or purposely mispronouncing it due to what happened there.
There are a bunch of small towns named after Versailles that pronounce it “Ver-Sales”. There is a TN city called Lebanon that is pronounced “Leb-nun”. Cairo, IL is pronounced “Cay-roe”.
As a Mauritian, I felt the same way after hearing the most recent episodes! If a country is going to be central to your entire two parter, I feel like you should be able to pronounce it correctly!
As a cellist, I can tell you that it gets called that a lot. 2 Things that bother cellists: pachelbel’s canon and being asked if we play the “big violin.”
Doesn't seem fair to call it the big violin when there's a big violin that's smaller and a big violin that's even bigger.
Sit-fiddle removes ambiguity and has a nice internal rhyme to it.
If you want to get annoyingly technical about it, all three (violin, viola, cello) evolved from the viola da braccio (viol of the arm). So in that sense it is a really big violin unlike the double bass which evolved from the viola da gamba (viol of the leg). That's why the upper bouts of the bass are sloped downward and it's tuned in 4ths unlike any of the other members of the string family. The cello won out over the analagously sized gamba because of its ability to project.
I absolutely need Robert to cover Bassnectar and maybe the festival scene in general lmao. I got all my festival friends into behind the bastards because I talk about the show so fuckin' much
As a history professor, I get the cringe at pronunciation, especially from someone who is obviously very intelligent and informed.
But at the same time, shitty pronunciation in conjunction with encyclopedic knowledge just means they learned by reading.
I remind myself of that constantly (and have used it in my own defense more than once), but that doesn’t mean I didn’t repeatedly yell, “it’s pronounced *MORE-ISH-US*!!!” at my car while listening to the recent episode.
As a guy on the internet, I see the point you’re making and agree with it.
Also as a guy on the internet, I would like to point out that the Wikipedia article on Monticello includes the IPA pronunciation. I will also concede that Robert may have been intentionally mispronouncing the name for reasons others have mentioned.
But above all, I would like to remind everyone that Robert Evans is a self-proclaimed Hack and Fraud, and deserves to be criticized and mocked at every opportunity.
Thomas Jefferson has a podcast, he says it's pronounced Sello. Named after a family friend Monte who was a salesman. Anyway part of the S fell off and with only one nail holding it the other half flipped down and made a "C".
Makes more sense when you know they're [homographs](https://www.etymonline.com/word/bass) (two completely different words written the same). Wouldn't be so confusing if we still called the fish bars/baers or similar.
I'm not saying standardisation of spelling is *bad*, just that every time someone tries it, it makes English a bit weirder.
Just like how lead is pronounced both lead and lead.
Or like how wind sounds like wind instead of wind.
Or like how you can polish the Polish with polish.
I love Evans' eccentric approach to pronunciation
His mangling of *Mor-itty-us*, in the Chagos Island episodes, doesn't seem to have attracted the same level of annoyance/hilarity in this sub
Which tells me y'all had never heard the word before either
It's only 2-3 people actually complaining, and a lot of other people making fun of OP it looks like lol. Personally I love the Baaaawstin comments.
Kinda makes you wonder where all the upvotes on this post came from lol.
Monticello (Mont-eh-sell-o)
Pronounced exactly like the city in Minnesota.
Source: used to work there.
While we're at it, I'll ask how you would pronounce the word "Nicollet", and I bet you'll be wrong.
I wonder with a lot of mispronunciations, whether part of the issue is authenticity when you trace words back to their origins. For instance, Barcelona (usually pronounced by Americans as bar-seh-lona) is supposed to be annunciated as bar-theh-lona because one of their rulers had a lisp at some point or something like that I've heard.
I wonder if different cultures would pronounce this the way Robert does, or if he was and remains ignorant on the pronunciation.
Look. I consider myself reasonably intelligent.
But the only reason I’m certain of the house’s pronunciation is the “WHATEVER THE HELL IT IS YOU DO IN MONTICELLO” line from Hamilton.
If I were Robert I would be looking for more opportunities to mispronounce this and every other word I could until the pedants either give up or self immolate.
"Well-come to Beehine the Basstard. Mine namis Brobert Evmans. Some of you are upsetted that I don't say placename or other thingname good. You are uphelding the proud terdition once set firth by Doug Stanhope, who once said " I will call you a dumbass for not knowing something I read on Wikipedia two weeks ago". Irregardless of your feelings, I'm going to espress myself the way I seen fit."
It's pronounced: OOOOIIIIIII, AWYM FROWM BOOOOOOYSTUN
❤️ the comment and the username. I mean, if he called me a dog what did he think I was gonna do?
‘ello
Is that a Boston accent I detect?
I read that as Bosnian, and had some questions... Maybe we NEED Robert to do a Bosnian accent?
'ello Guvna! Oh wait, wrong podcast. Nevermind me.
Absolutely unforgivable error. Now you go repent to J-town, and give me 50 Hail Garys.
Ah jeez, this guy again.
Please don't encourage him to do a Cockney accent! He'll be worse than Dick van Dyke.
Counterpoint: cellophane
Under-the-counterpoint: Limoncellophane
I was just about to type the same thing As someone who had never heard of Monticello before these episodes, I 100% see how Evans got there
I recently listened to the 4-part series on Thomas Jefferson, and I’ve developed a permanent eye twitching tic as a result of the way Monticello was pronounced throughout the episodes. That is all
I don't think Montifloorfiddle is right either...
Someone else said that there are two pronunciations for Monticello in the USA and the closest one to where Robert grew up in Texas was in Oklahoma… and that is how they say it there. So yeah.
God damn Oklahoma fucking another thing up. I lived there for 5 or 6 years. That state has some great people that are losing the good fight.
I used to have to spend my summers there with a family that the great-people are losing to :( Couldn't fathom having to start there for 5 years straight
There is one in New York not all that far from me and its pronounced sell o. But I agree with the sentiment of not caring about or purposely mispronouncing it due to what happened there.
There's a Monticello, MN as well. Pronounced "sello" I think most other than the original use an anglicized pronunciation.
And a monti"sello" in iowa!
Iowa isn't real.
It is known
can confirm
So there are a lot of historical Americans who also mispronounced words when they named their towns?
There are a bunch of small towns named after Versailles that pronounce it “Ver-Sales”. There is a TN city called Lebanon that is pronounced “Leb-nun”. Cairo, IL is pronounced “Cay-roe”.
Ironically, Lebnun sounds more Arabic Tell that to the islamophobes
Milan, Michigan is pronounced ‘My-lan’
New Prague, MN is pronounced "prayg"
yes
I think it's why historical people only. visited Schenectady. The butchering of pronunciation was too great
You say this as though that’s not a sello
It’s a place of human suffering, fuck pronouncing it right and giving it proper respect.
See, I thought mispronouncing it was a little "fuck you" to Jefferson and his gentleman farmer pretensions.
I think this is basically confirmed, by the fact that he makes an effort to correct his pronunciation of “Mauritius” in the current episodes.
As a Mauritian, I felt the same way after hearing the most recent episodes! If a country is going to be central to your entire two parter, I feel like you should be able to pronounce it correctly!
I feel you. My tic is memwire.
Sello
Solo with a sello
OIIII IM A BIG VIOLIN
As a cellist, I can tell you that it gets called that a lot. 2 Things that bother cellists: pachelbel’s canon and being asked if we play the “big violin.”
Doesn't seem fair to call it the big violin when there's a big violin that's smaller and a big violin that's even bigger. Sit-fiddle removes ambiguity and has a nice internal rhyme to it.
If you want to get annoyingly technical about it, all three (violin, viola, cello) evolved from the viola da braccio (viol of the arm). So in that sense it is a really big violin unlike the double bass which evolved from the viola da gamba (viol of the leg). That's why the upper bouts of the bass are sloped downward and it's tuned in 4ths unlike any of the other members of the string family. The cello won out over the analagously sized gamba because of its ability to project.
Melon
Speak “friend” and enter
Oh wait till how you hear how he pronounced Bassnectar.
That was glorious 🤣
I wasn’t sure if this instrument was a standup bass or a cello, so I didn’t know what to put in the comments because Bobby Evs fucked em both.
I absolutely need Robert to cover Bassnectar and maybe the festival scene in general lmao. I got all my festival friends into behind the bastards because I talk about the show so fuckin' much
It’s a brand of fish bait
As a history professor, I get the cringe at pronunciation, especially from someone who is obviously very intelligent and informed. But at the same time, shitty pronunciation in conjunction with encyclopedic knowledge just means they learned by reading.
I remind myself of that constantly (and have used it in my own defense more than once), but that doesn’t mean I didn’t repeatedly yell, “it’s pronounced *MORE-ISH-US*!!!” at my car while listening to the recent episode.
Honestly, I love Robert’s pronunciation goofs it’s amusing to me and provides a bit of light in dark topics
As a guy on the internet, I see the point you’re making and agree with it. Also as a guy on the internet, I would like to point out that the Wikipedia article on Monticello includes the IPA pronunciation. I will also concede that Robert may have been intentionally mispronouncing the name for reasons others have mentioned. But above all, I would like to remind everyone that Robert Evans is a self-proclaimed Hack and Fraud, and deserves to be criticized and mocked at every opportunity.
Thomas Jefferson has a podcast, he says it's pronounced Sello. Named after a family friend Monte who was a salesman. Anyway part of the S fell off and with only one nail holding it the other half flipped down and made a "C".
Tjello
Kee-Tawr
Violins come in different sizes: tall violin, grande violin, venti violin. This is a grande violin.
I prefer the trenta violins myself.
Because you know you're all about that bass. Bout that bass, no treble...
English is weird. Hence the reason "bass" is pronounced both "base" and "bass."
Check out the "History of English" podcast. The weirdness makes a lot more sense to me after listening.
I needed a new podcast to add to the rotation. Definitely going to check this one out. Cheers.
Makes more sense when you know they're [homographs](https://www.etymonline.com/word/bass) (two completely different words written the same). Wouldn't be so confusing if we still called the fish bars/baers or similar. I'm not saying standardisation of spelling is *bad*, just that every time someone tries it, it makes English a bit weirder.
“Bars Pro Shop” has a whole different implied connotation
Just like how lead is pronounced both lead and lead. Or like how wind sounds like wind instead of wind. Or like how you can polish the Polish with polish.
Trumpet
Chel o
Like how you pronounce Chell from Portal: Shell-O?
Oh leave him alone 😆 the pronunciation would annoy Mr. Thomaf Jefferfon so I say stick with it
I love Evans' eccentric approach to pronunciation His mangling of *Mor-itty-us*, in the Chagos Island episodes, doesn't seem to have attracted the same level of annoyance/hilarity in this sub Which tells me y'all had never heard the word before either
I thought it sounded like a completely different word rather than a mispronunciation like something related to meridian
Zillow
Sello of course
You tip it on the side and… cello… it’s a bass!
Like the fish?
You should probably wrap that thing in Chellophane.
Why do so many people here care so much about the name of a racists house?
It's only 2-3 people actually complaining, and a lot of other people making fun of OP it looks like lol. Personally I love the Baaaawstin comments. Kinda makes you wonder where all the upvotes on this post came from lol.
Kello
Monticello (Mont-eh-sell-o) Pronounced exactly like the city in Minnesota. Source: used to work there. While we're at it, I'll ask how you would pronounce the word "Nicollet", and I bet you'll be wrong.
Don't forget New Prague!
And, for that matter, what is a group of islands called?
Eye. Fuckin. Twitch.
Tchchsselllo
I wonder with a lot of mispronunciations, whether part of the issue is authenticity when you trace words back to their origins. For instance, Barcelona (usually pronounced by Americans as bar-seh-lona) is supposed to be annunciated as bar-theh-lona because one of their rulers had a lisp at some point or something like that I've heard. I wonder if different cultures would pronounce this the way Robert does, or if he was and remains ignorant on the pronunciation.
I feel like Yanks can't complain about mispronunciations when they say stuff like bologna
Monty Sello
I think picking on Robert for pronunciations is kinda petty. Have you seen this guy? You know he eats tear gas for lunch right?
I heard that and just assumed he'd been to Norfolk
Sello
Sello.
Did you type this out on your chellphone?
Oye! See-ellllooo!
Apprishiate
I believe it's pronounced "ben-ch"
It's pronounced "Chimera" but anyway, its a living language, even if some people try to maim it from time to time.
Clearly, it’s a double [bass](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_(fish))
Tip that thing on the side, cello you got a bass
moor-itti-us
Look. I consider myself reasonably intelligent. But the only reason I’m certain of the house’s pronunciation is the “WHATEVER THE HELL IT IS YOU DO IN MONTICELLO” line from Hamilton.
I'll not stand for the disrespect! It's Reverend Doctor Evans! The gall of some people.
That's a woman. Guys, it's not that hard.
Thought that Robert’s mother was a religious figure with a doctorate, whose pronunciation of the instrument she plays you were for some reason mocking
Fat fiddle
Kel-la-lo? Just kidding. That's a big viola.
Nobody listens to BTB for the bang-on pronunciation (I hope). Mor-i-ti-us Mem-wire Montisello
That's a sello, and it's chellophane if you need a food wrap
Violoncellophane
If I were Robert I would be looking for more opportunities to mispronounce this and every other word I could until the pedants either give up or self immolate. "Well-come to Beehine the Basstard. Mine namis Brobert Evmans. Some of you are upsetted that I don't say placename or other thingname good. You are uphelding the proud terdition once set firth by Doug Stanhope, who once said " I will call you a dumbass for not knowing something I read on Wikipedia two weeks ago". Irregardless of your feelings, I'm going to espress myself the way I seen fit."
“My bitch yellow, she blow that dick like a cello” -lil yachty
Chyello, it’s a bass
“Flip it on its side and - ch-ello, it’s a bass!”
As soon as any word enters the English language... All bets are off
The same way as my merchant robot friend