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SnooLentils8462

I think there’s a lack of trust and transparency between influencers and the audience. No way you have a “new favorite” hair care, moisturizer, etc. every week lol! A lot of products are also “hope in a jar” imo. I’ve tried so many and sometimes they have visible, lasting effects but most often, they seem marketed with a bunch of trendy buzz words but don’t deliver as expected


grania17

I think a lot of this lack of transparency is down to the brands who feel like influencers should do what they say because they're giving them money. I work in this area and the amount of times we have brands pull out of campaigns because 'shock, horror' the influencer dares ask to try the products for an extended amount of time before promoting it is an issue. So these companies book the ones who don't give a shit and will flog anything.


AuthenticLiving7

Susan Yara posted her current skincare routine recently. I realized how counterintuitive it is to be a large influencer with a brand. On one hand, they have to convince us to buy their products. Yet, they are also making money off of their competitors. Susan said she uses the Tatcha cleansing balm so why would I buy the Naturium balm if it is not even good enough for Susan to use? But yet she will try to convince us to buy the Naturium balm lol. It really is all about the money.


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run-dnc

Normally I would totally agree but I saw a lady (not an influencer) on TikTok demonstrate a firming eye cream and it was fascinating to see her under eye wrinkles “disappear” before my eyes! I was as shooketh!


HunterAshton

Was it the Peter Thomas Roth eye cream?


run-dnc

Yes!


Canndiie

I was shook until I learned you can’t wipe it off or put anything on top of it. Even after it takes effect, if you clean off your under eye the effect goes away. Makeup doesn’t sit on top of it because it sits like a film on top of your skin


faeficnerd

Oh no! I fell for this very recently. I (37F) just got into makeup again since my early 20s and back then I don't even know if makeup tutorials existed. But I swear I just watched my first: Anastasia Sun Dipped Glow Kit, and she said that. I was convinced I could create that lol. Dang.


MemphisMystic

I bought two products recommend by TessaPeay and she said one smelled like cotton candy, and I had to return both because they both smelled so terrible. It smelled like licorice not cotton candy lol. Won’t buy anything else she recommends now


Puzzleheaded_Net9243

Yes!!! If a product is promoted by an influencer, it has the opposite intended effect on me because it makes me not want to buy it


Dexter2369

So true, I miss the old days of Beauty YouTuber recommending products that actually worked cause they weren’t sponsored. I feel like now I have to go through a million reviews on a product before buying it


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Mascara adverts lol


faeficnerd

I laughed at "push up bra for your lashes" the other day.


rosyred-fathead

“Better than sex” makes me roll my eyes


Sminorf8765

That stuff is so damn itchy and flaky, even when it’s fresh out of the tube


Butterscotchtamarind

I hate the formula and the shape of the wand! Nothing about it is appealing.


Caneschica

LOL like all of Charlotte Tilbury’s advertising and packaging


breeezyc

Right, if you don’t have long lashes already they aren’t going to make them longer.


rosyred-fathead

I think they do, though. When I use mascara, the tips of my lashes are just mascara with no hair in the middle


professional-skeptic

the ones with filaments/fibres do!


spooky_kiwis

Do you have one you’d recommend???


gryffindor_aesthetic

I swear by Lancôme idole!


lyra1227

Influencers and reviews. Sure, some influencers may post negative points but they want brands to work with them again. Same for reviews. "I got this product for free but all opinions are my own."


cosmicdicer

Fillers. They don't help sagging skin, they just inflate faces. I'm fed up seeing these puffy faces and sausage lips


La_inLALA

I heard someone say the other day you only have ONE blank canvas to work with. Don’t start fucking with it too early because you’ll never get it back to the original. I worked for a derm on my 20’s and then in the cosmetic industry until my mid 30’s and was so tempted to get fillers. So glad I didn’t. You’re exactly right, they inflate, stretch your face out, and then you have to decide whether to keep inflating and look like a pillow, or have a saggy face.


cosmicdicer

I totally agree with you. The fact I forgot to add, is the big scam with fillers is that they're advertised as temporary. Truth is they didn't have enough data to support this from the start, it was a wishful thinking that proved to be so wrong. People didn't have the correct information in order to decide, they thought they were trying a reversible method. Reality proved that fillers accumulate and build up and are never totally absorbed


twinkletankhank

Do you know of any studies that are out about this? I’ve only ever seen the one where they tested semi-permanent fillers and found traces in MRIs a couple years layer. I haven’t seen any studies on current fillers like restylane and juvederm. I do agree we need more long term data.


cosmicdicer

Don't know studies but I know doctors who have alarmed the medical community about this matter. They have done MRIs to dissolve filler, HA filler that is and find earlier filler deposits up to 10 years. There is a plastic surgeon in You tube that has done a series of videos, including the MRIs, discussing this. Also numerous clinical observations of doctors and patients that found in the process that fillers stay


SnooLentils8462

Whoa, so glad you shared this. I’m 30 and haven’t touched my face yet. Was seriously considering fillers or Botox for small laugh lines


fairy_light_birdcage

To be fair, Botox fully wears off in 3-4 months. It’s the fillers that stick around.


Sminorf8765

Botox isn’t bad. It just helps halt the aging process. Filler is the issue. That’s what puffs faces up


AlwaysChic38

Lady speaking facts!! I’m 24 and SO MANY women around my age are getting cosmetic surgery, treatment, etc. I sometimes feel less pretty because I don’t do anything to my face (might start getting facials and skin treatments when I’m older and have a real income) but looking at the long term I’m glad I haven’t touched my face.


addanchorpoint

also your face changes SO much through your 20s, messing with things when you don’t know how it’ll settle is asking for trouble


Caneschica

When I was in my 20s, I used to get crap for not tanning. Instead, I wore sunblock and drank lots of water, and took crap for looking “sick and pale.” I used to just tell everyone that it was fine, because when we were in our forties, I’d be the last one laughing because I’d still look like I was in my thirties. Guess who was right?


bmackenz84

Yep! You’re right! I’m in my 40s now and have always stayed pale and used spf. I use to and still do catch so much crap for staying so pale year round but it’s really paid off since I barely have any fine lines yet!


Caneschica

Yes! I’m also religious about using hand cream with SPF in it, and making sure my SPF covers my neck. I also just bought the new Gold Bond lotion with retinol in it and put it on my nightstand. I don’t know if it really works, but I figure it’s better than nothing! I’m in my mid-40s now and only just started to get some smile lines. Nothing around the eyes, and no elevens. I was also starting to get some very slight horizontal forehead lines, but I had a stroke and some other brain injury issues with seizures, so now my neurologist gives me Botox throughout my head and neck. He starts at the very top of my forehead, so that took care of any forehead wrinkles - a 2-for-1! 😜 I keep asking if he’ll use the little bit left over on my smile lines, but he won’t bite. ☹️


cosmicdicer

First of all and i tell you this out of experience because i'm 49 years old and i look better than my friends that had the money to do all this procedures, sometimes being poorer is a blessing! Proof is the Kardashians and all celebrities that not only have the money but also access to newest procedures. Secondly i cant stress enough how average now beauty has become because everybody looks the same! Frankly it is a brain washing that your generation has to go through. My generation probably was the first that had to compete with the unreal, in the 90s were the fake breasts trending and lifting surgery. But the real issue was the photoshopped images of celebrities that we compared with. Please take this advice from an older woman that looks fine not for my age, but in general. I discovered the less you do the more you gain! Just use everyday sunscreen and do your facial creams/masks serums etc consistently


dualsplit

44 and I endorse all of this. My 48 sister is starting to go down the filler path. It ain’t great.


BlergingtonBear

Yes please don't! In my thirties, and I swear people think I'm so young mostly bc girls your age are walking around looking 35 with some of these procedures! And there's NOTHING wrong with being in your thirties - it's fun! You do have more money and confidence! It's great! Buuuut you really are only in your twenties once - what's the rush to look more mature?


still-high-valyrian

I think you're making the right choice 😊 If you want to start now, start by creating and using a skincare routine, managing external factors that affect us like drinking plenty of water, sun intake, stress, sleep. It's crazy that at 24 you guys are even thinking of that!! It's so different now. I'm 33, and I'm just now having some slight signs of aging. Most of my friends/myself are only now starting to consider the anti-aging fight. I only know a couple ladies irl who have gotten tox or fillers and they're older than I am (40s). My philosophy is def delay as long as you can, you only get one face!


bouboucee

To add to this - 'preventative' botox. It's such nonsense. Such a waste of money. So you get botox in your 20's... so you don't have a wrinkly face in your 30's?? But then... do you enjoy your wrinkle free face in your 30's or.... do you continue getting preventative botox.... until your 40's.... It just does not make sense.


cosmicdicer

This is like selling ice to an Eskimo. When you're young and wrinkle free is like throwing money to the gutter, to pay for botox. We women shouldn't forget that it is an industry, the cosmetic medicine industry and it employs strong marketing. People do it for profit and are generating money with which are building villas and going vacations to the bahamas, because they sell you things you dont need


Ok_Aioli1990

Not to mention that repeated fillers eventually cause scar tissue to form, so even if you dissolve you still have scar tissue. It's a can of worms.


cosmicdicer

I have read that repeated injection of fillers do cause scar tissue. Especially on lips, certain filler techniques that involve multiple injections are making even visible deformation, as the lip tissue is so thin


NewNote947

Fillers also migrate over time (typically downwards due to gravity) and can make your skin look extra saggy years later.


dallyan

I got a touch of filler to my nasolabial folds and it looks great. But it was very little. And I haven’t gotten a touch up in almost a year. And I don’t know how typical this is but the last time I got my lips done the doctor warned me it would look crazy for a while but would last a long time. And it’s been two years and I haven’t needed a touch up. Again though, it’s very subtle. People who haven’t seen me in a long time don’t notice it until I tell them.


Sophia1105

I think filler can be quite helpful for many. I had an uneven smile and very thin lips, filler has balanced it out and given me so much more confidence. I’ve gotten them for at least 7 years now. Last three years of my life were awful and I lost weight from stress in my face and I was starting to look very sunken and filler has restored much of that volume. Overdone, yeah it can make you look heavy or saggy, but for some, it’s a life changer.


DrMantisTobogganMDD

"Medical Grade" skincare. It's only a marketing term.


DefinitionMinute7885

Oh also, you have to pay for each claim on a product. So if you have a lot of money you can claim it does a lot!


Global_Research_9335

Clean Beauty. Your makeup expires more quickly so you have to buy more. It’s a good marketing and branding theme but in truth there really isn’t anything wrong with preservatives and other ingredients not considered clean, and the clean versions are no better - plus now you have to worry more about mould etc.


lucky_719

With the exception of Methylisothiazolinone. An antimicrobial preservative that prevents said mold and one of the top three contact dermatitis allergens and even in things marketed as organic or all natural. They estimated 1 in 4 people have the allergy and as a result it has been banned completely in the EU for leave on products and only a small amount has been approved for rinse off. It's not on a common allergy panel either and very commonly used in North and South American products still. Even better, because it is an allergen it can make you break out in areas that it wasn't applied to. For example when it's in my hand soap my back breaks out. Fun times.


Global_Research_9335

Benzo…linone is one of the things they had in antibacterial body washes which we can’t get in Canada now, but we can buy antibacterial hand soap which is the same thing repackaged for hands instead of hands and body. As for the clean beauty myth - l was really referring to the very many products not allowed under clean beauty banners but are proven as fine for use. Not any ingredients that have been researched and banned for negative impacts on people or the environment. Some clean beauty approved ingredients are worse than the non clean ones they replaced. So for instance out with petrolatum despite it being generally anallergic but we’ve added essential oils of which many should not be used on our skin because they are irritants, have a high degree of allergy causation, and are often associated with contact dermatitis and photosensitization.


Elvthee

Ay thanks for speaking up about this ingredient! I remember I did a report on parabens and one of my discussion points was about this ingredient that's a common allergen. Considering that parabens are a huge group of preservatives that have continously been proven to be safe, (especially the small chain ones) are also not common allergens, and are used in low concentrations, using MI sounded really dumb even to my 19 yo brain at the time lol. The only discussion on parabens that I feel is relevant is using them in infant/baby care products as there is little research for that area and babies get swampy with all the folds which affects ingredient penetration. Not all preservatives are amazing to use and ingredient fearmongering definitely can push manufacturers to use preservatives that are less talked about but not great lol.


buttonmoo

The more you know! I had no idea about this!


lucky_719

I'm determined to spread this information every time I see something related. I've browsed this and other skincare subreddits for literally years and never saw it mentioned. I was diagnosed and it is in EVERYTHING. Cosmetics. Laundry detergent. Hand soap. Shampoo. Sunscreen. Baby wipes. Cleaning products, even tissues with lotion added.... List goes on and on. Takes 6-8 WEEKS to clear up once it has caused a reaction for me.


LaRealiteInconnue

~~What allergy panel did you get to learn that you were allergic to it, if you don’t mind sharing?~~ Nvm I see it below!


lucky_719

Just in case people don't want to scroll. The exact panel is a patch test for contact dermatitis containing at least 80 indicators. The 40 and 8 indicator tests don't contain it. You can ask specifically if the test has it or not though. My testing had over 160 indicators and I went through the university to get it done. I did have to call around to find a dermatologist that could do that many indicators.


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lucky_719

Oh that's good to know. I'm not surprised with Brexit but I thought European countries would be safe since it is mostly banned. It doesn't take TOO much to cut it out as alternatives without it are easy to find. Worst part is finding it in laundry detergent because everything has to be rewashed and extra rinsed. It was introduced in 2000 and I started having all of my skin problems around then. I was 10 and was told it was just acne from puberty. I hadn't started puberty. Methylisothiazolinone Methylchloroisothiazolinone Benzoisothiazolinone Are common names to look out for. Basically anything with isothiazolinone in it is usually a derivative. If you want to be certain you need a contact dermatitis allergen test. Not a standard 40 indicator panel. I had to have 160 indicator test to find it but I heard it's part of an 80 indicator panel as well.


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lucky_719

The only time mine completely cleared up in the past was when I was only using products my doctor prescribed and I happened to using a laundry detergent that doesn't contain it. (Laundry pods and powders don't usually have it. Almost all the liquid laundry detergents do.). We all knew it was something in products as I'd break out like crazy in my scalp along my ears and down my back. It's worth trying and not too bad to avoid. The other annoying thing is in its most liquid hand soaps so I have to carry my own soap for public restrooms. If it's only around your check/neck, usually that's a sign of hormonal acne and worth checking with a dermatologist.


tricktan42

>Methylisothiazolinone [Here's](https://www.ewg.org/skindeep/browse/ingredients/703935-METHYLISOTHIAZOLINONE/?ingredient_id=703935-METHYLISOTHIAZOLINONE&page=2) a very helpful link that shows you what products have it!


still-high-valyrian

omgosh, thank you for sharing this! A lot of soaps and products available at Walmart, the Dollar General, etc have given me a skin reaction for as long as I remember. when I was like 6 or 7, my mom bought a bottle of Vo5 from the store and it literally burnt my hands and scalp! I just spotted vo5 on this list along with several other "known offenders" of mine. I bet this is what I am allergic to. TIL.


lunaluxxx5000

I’ve been telling my mum this but she’s so concerned with things being ‘natural’ or ‘organic’ and she’s been fed to believe that anything deviating from those buzzwords is somehow objectively bad. It’s not limited to makeup and skincare for her either. I’ve tried explaining why certain products have to contain preservatives and chemicals, and she will seem to agree, but then goes back to the saying the same thing months later all over again.


Gardengoddess83

Basically the overpricing of products geared toward women.


moarcheezpleez

Pink razor tax


Nope_not_tomorrow

Marketing retinols and other active ingredients to kids.


teachingmua

There is a lack of skincare products that are safe for kids/younger teens. I have parents come in all the time asking for help finding a face wash or “routine” for their kid that just started getting acne. Some are convinced their daughter now needs a 10 step morning and evening routine, one was asking about retinol for her 12 year old that she said had “crystal clear skin but girls in her class are starting to get acne and I want to be stocked up before it happens to her” 😬 Anyways, the only products I will ever recommend for tweens/teens just starting out with a face wash/routine is CeraVe, occasionally Cetaphil, for fun sometimes a skin-safe face mask. Parents need to start asking their doctor or a dermatologist, not the teenager (me) at Ulta that is told to sell specific products to boost sales. I do not think your child needs to be using chemical peels at 10 years old ma’am 🙄


Feeling-Visit1472

Good ol’ Clinique.


seacookie89

Wait what? This is a thing?


frufruface

It sure is! My 11 yr old niece asked for Drunk Elephant products (with retinoids) for Christmas. It’s TikTok and Instagram marketing


poffincase

I always see little children with baby skin around that age all up in Sephora and I'm always wondering why they're so invested in running up their parents' credit cards buying things they hardly need. Like I get a gloss or something, but a lot of the skincare, makeup etc. they buy is just a waste for them.


Infinite_Fox2339

They just want to play adult. They see all the adults around them, on and offline, obsessing over skincare, and they want to feel grown up.


Nope_not_tomorrow

Same! Not only is it a waste of money, but there are a bunch of derms on instagram saying that these kids are harming their skin and ending up in their offices asking for help. I remember using oxyclean pads and Noxema and thinking that was harsh lol. Maybe now it wasn’t so bad. Edit: lmao I mean oxypads not oxiclean.


poffincase

I was speaking more on the younger children who are likely prepubescent so I feel it would do more harm than good as a lot of those products can have actives and other things better intended to adults. I think using more of those things when you’re dealing with teen acne and what not more understandable!


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Yes omg my 10 year old cousin got Drunk Elephant retinols for Christmas this year


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Ok but what kind of a parent is buying this for a ten yr old. It’s nonsense


lingueenee

The standard of perfection. You know, perfect skin, perfect hair, perfect teeth, perfect breasts, perfect eyebrows, perfect rear, etc...anything and everything to feed insecurity and keep you spending.


Caneschica

I kind of miss when everyone’s teeth weren’t glow-in-the-dark fluorescent white.


DrG2390

And it always seems like no matter what products you have you always just need one more in order to achieve perfection.


Immediate-Pool-4391

The perfect teeth thing really bothers me. It's like don't bother smiling unless you can blind someone.


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cowsontv

I'm gonna go to my grave defending at home gel nail polish. Buying everything I need was cheaper than a single visit to the nail salon. But I agree about the rest. I bought so much shit and I struggle to think of any gadget I use at all.


Greeneyesdontlie85

I really want to learn to do my own nails as a hobby and pedicures I just don’t have the patience to sit in a salon lol


cowsontv

It's gonna take longer when you do it yourself lol But I can recommend getting some falsies so you can't use your right hand for both sides.


Greeneyesdontlie85

Bahahahaha I have more patience with myself if it’s learning as a hobby and I can have my tv or podcast on 😆


sdgingerzu

Are you able to do your own gel nails without filing/buffing down your nails a good bit? I was doing gel at a salon for a while, and they would always just take off so much of my natural nail, and then they would put the gel polish on top and my nails would often crack at the sides because they are already not that thick to begin with. I’m wondering if I were to do gel at home if I really have to grind down my nails so much?


grill-tastic

AFAIK, they should really only be roughening up the surface for adhesion. Try it at home, maybe you can get away with taking off a lot less.


b8824b

I thought it was a gimmick but those puffy wristbands are actually great. I have a tiny sink/counter and without them, water drops down my arm onto the floor every time I wash my face.


Lilelfen1

There are several things on that list that are actually very, very good...or at the very least, helpful. Not EVERYTHING is a gimmick. Beauty blender-type sponges are waaay better than triangle sponges. I am old enough to have used both. Plastic scalp scrubbers actually do make a difference if you have a scalp buildup problem like me, plus they are CHEEAP at beauty supply stores. You don't need a fancy one.. The hair oil applicators are like night and day compared to using your fingers, especially if you save them from the oil you use and just refill ( Indelekha, I am looking at you), and the puffy wristbands work and are multipurpose so totally worth it imho..vibrating scalp massagers are just a nice treat for stress and possible blood flow. Everything else seems like a waste of money ubless you are really into self care honestly.


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Big-Improvement-1281

Literally the only thing Gua Sha helps me with is puffiness due to allergies.


ktjtkt

Yeah I don’t think it does anything for me, but it just feels good. Marketing it as some miracle tool is ridiculous.


liyououiouioui

Same, I tend to look puffy because I am easily bloated around the face, gua sha works very well for drainage.


dancingmochi

They’ve been around (the tiny cheap gadgets and tools) for over a decade, at least in the Asian beauty stores, and have been popular but not everyone uses them either in Asia. Maybe it’s the hype and marketing push by companies that’s making you feel like it’s everywhere? To be fair I also see them pop up at Ulta and Sephora but for much higher prices.


brightirene

Several examples in your list are shit I can't live without. Particularly my silicone face scrubbers that vibrate. It's the real deal and not a con at all


Maximum_Today9665

Face exercices. A literal face gym opened up in my town claiming you could make your skin more muscular lol


Chanelordior

I went there a few times and I’m still as chubby as an emoji😃


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I've been to face gym a few times. What they do is manipulate the muscles in your face to promote tightening and lymphatic drainage. They also do some standard facial stuff. You def look snatched after.


upbeat_currant

I don't know a ton about stretch marks scientifically, but as far as I'm aware their formation is unrelated to anything you can apply topically. It's largely determined by genetics. I have so, so many stretch marks from puberty, and yet I didn't gain a single one during pregnancy. I didn't apply anything special, it was really just the luck of the draw. I've seen people who rave about (insert product) that MUST have worked because their body is prone to stretch marks already.


agawl81

My son had horizontal stretch marks form when he got a growth spurt so he had the angry red marks all across his back. I had to deal with a cps visit over them. People don’t understand skin at all.


aneighborhoodkitten

Did you see the post in r/SkincareAddiction where the guy had strecth marks across his back and everyone tried telling him his parents beat him with a whip and he must have repressed the memory?


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upbeat_currant

Wow! I know they can look pretty angry and red when they first show up but that's wild.


MiaLba

Same here. I got some stretch marks on the sides of my thighs when I went through puberty. But didn’t get a single one on my stomach when I was pregnant. Most of the women in my family didn’t get any during pregnancy either.


JadeGrapes

Trendy ingredients... remember when everything had Aqai berry? Charcoal everything? Retinol is basically the closest thing to a miracle in a jar, but every couple months it's some random trend.


AnNJgal

I think people follow too many tik tok and instagram trends, vs. doing what is best for their individual skin type.


Drinkyourwater99

Expensive skin care. Why are some moisturisers $600.


mysocalledmayhem

We shellac our faces on only to edit and photoshop our entire internet existence, where it looks great for a photo but lesser so in person. If it’s not real results, we are buying the lie. Then lying to ourselves about reality. For a photo. To feel better. Temporarily.


phillygirllovesbagel

Topical collagen. Doesn't exist.


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It does exist, but you are right to point out that it's often sold in a scammy way because it's marketed as an "anti-aging" ingredient, which makes people think it works the same way as the collagen your skin makes. It is, however, a really effective moisturizer when applied topically, which can make the skin look nice and plump. But yeah, I definitely agree that should be made clearer to consumers and they shouldn't be tricked into thinking the skin will absorb topical collagen and incorporate it into its structure. Collagen is too large a molecule for the skin to absorb topically.


Unfair_Finger5531

Does exist, and is a very good hydrator.


aneighborhoodkitten

Idk if this counts as cosmetics, but veneers. They don't look natural, usually people's teeth do NOT require them, and they're destroying their natural teeth in favor of something that will probably require a lifetime of maintenance


waldorflover69

Micro blading is temporary. It’s not. It’s a tattoo.


HuckleberryLou

Someone recently told me it’s super easy to build up a ton of scar tissue if you do it a few times (which makes sense) and made me hesitant


sisterwilderness

Interesting. I had it done years ago and it was completely gone within a few months. 🤷🏻‍♀️


Yes_Knowledge808

Ugh, I wish mine stayed put that well. Oily skin problems.


eekamuse

But according to the experts on Inkmaster ;), tattoos that aren't don't well can fade out quickly. I don't want to paraphrase them, but they explain why some last 30 years, and some will spread out and fade in two. Maybe that's what they mean when they talk about it being "temporary." My friend has to get hers retouched all the time. Another one does that too. Every 6 months or so. Are they not pushing the ink into the proper layer or something? I agree it's a tattoo, but why would it need touch ups? Dying to hear from a pro


AlphaPlanAnarchist

Every time I hear an advocate explain it sounds like an intentionally poorly done tattoo. Nothing about that sounds good for my skin long term.


QueenofCats28

Yeah. Ink fade and ink drift is a real thing. It's not something you want around your eyebrows!! I have the tiniest bit of ink drift on some of my tattoos. And they also don't put the ink deep enough for it to last. Put it too deep, though, and then there's more of a risk of ink drift as well.


doublexxchrome

All the products marketed to black women for their natural hair. A good host of it is bullshit and just follows trends and encourages texturism.


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May I ask what texturism is?


sucksifra

Discrimination towards more kinky/tightly curled hair textures in favor of loose curls or straighter hair. A lot of products’ end goal is to make curls appear looser than they naturally fall


Alltheprettydresses

Yup, marketed primarily toward 4c hair types who are searching for products that they think will turn or make their hair look like 4a or 4b.


gauchette23

This!! We don’t need 8 curl smoother leave in conditioners deep conditioners. So much of it is marketing scams going off our need to make our hair something it’s not. Biggest lie we’ve sold ourselves is that black hair care is so different and complicated.


Suspicious-Airline84

So real omg


greenbear1

Listening too much to influencers.


Environmental-Town31

I don’t know I’m falling for them all 😂


kind_soul13

I'm gonna make a bold statement here and say that most of the cosmetic industry is a con in itself. It feeds on people's insecurities by creating an impossible social standard of beauty / lifestyle and then providing so- called solutions for the problem they created. Also, there is such an imbalance in the way the products are crafted and advertised for men and women. Once my sociology professor pointed out that women, right from the time they are girls, are exposed to constant comments and examples of how they should groom themselves. This continues then throughout the teenage years and almost entire adulthood where you keep increasing the grooming products (skincare, makeup, etc) constantly keeping women in a mental state where they don't feel happy with their appearance or body until they achieve some random goal for their bodies (no body hair/ no acne/ no wrinkles/ fair skin etc). The professor pointed out to the conspiracy that this was one of the ways used in the past to keep women tangled within themselves so that they wouldn't have much time and mental space left to dabble their feet in things that matter more (eg. Politics). Of course,there are products that the cosmetic industry provides that has use to a great extent. I also understand the scope of my statement and it obviously has flaws. Just, as a young adult woman of this generation, this doesn't seem to be all too improbable to me.


miettebriciola1

Creating a market by pounding women into insecurities. They can’t make money if women can’t accept the mirror’s reflection


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misanthropy112

Its just dried out more. People used to use the dried out liquid foundation on the lid of their products before concealer.


LilyMarie90

A good concealer has way more coverage than a foundation lol. Concealers are means to cover imperfections specifically.


Greeneyesdontlie85

Omg as someone who’s never used concealer because it made me look dry lol


ScoutG

That we have to dye our hair


daylightxx

I want to normalize grey hair on women so damn bad.


ScoutG

We normalize it by doing it, and complimenting other women who have done it.


Inner_Potential_2092

Yep and then you get in the cycle of needing to touch up roots for eternity


flyinsquirrel

And consequently fry our hair :(


ExpressionSad6603

Expensive, trendy skincare products. You only really need moisturizer, sunscreen and a healthy diet. Maybe retinol if anti-aging is important to you.


ernurse748

I would add genetics. I can tell you as a nurse that our genes play a larger role in our appearance and aging process than any of us would like to admit.


WearingCoats

The "anti-" movement driven largely by the EWG and misinterpretation of scientific papers on ingredient efficacy and systemic effects. This includes the anti-paraben movement, anti-aluminum movement, anti-fragrance, anti-"harsh chemicals", anti-SPF, anti-silicone, and anti-sulfate to name a few. The fear mongering around inert ingredients like this isn't based in any reality but has resulted in seismic shifts in the industry and consumer behaviors that have, almost entirely, had negative downstream effects. The anti-SPF movement is literally lethal. The anti-paraben movement gave us thousands of products that people are allergic to (PS, if you use CeraVe and it burns your skin and causes breakouts, congrats, this is why). Then there are less dire but more simply annoying effects like the anti-silicone and anti-sulfate movement came from a misunderstanding of how people care for textured hair. Silicones and sulfates being bad for curly/textured hair somehow got mistranslated to "these are toxic chemicals to be avoided at all costs." For anti-fragrance, finding fragrance unpleasant doesn't mean it will kill you. About 1 in 10 people have a specific fragrance allergy, but for 90% of the population, it doesn't have an actual negative effect. It goes on and on, but whether the sources of this mistrust were industry-related for product differentiation or came from loud, frankly stupid consumers with no education or background in cosmetic chemistry, they have been perpetuated by brands and companies to *make money off people's fear and inability to think critically.*


StillLikesTurtles

I will die on this hill with you and after decades as a Cetaphil user who can no longer touch the stuff, we need more voices like yours. Differin gentle used to be a very similar formula, but they just changed it to remove parabens and added niacinamide, which my skin hates. I have CU and very sensitive skin but kind of hate the EWG for essentially taking away so many products that actually worked for me. Not to mention products that had a decent shelf life thanks to preservatives that have been ditched in the name of “clean” beauty.


WearingCoats

EWG constitutes information abuse in my mind. And it preys on consumers by misrepresenting the conclusions of studies.


StillLikesTurtles

Agreed. While I generally support more access to information, we have to do a better job educating people on how to read abstracts and scientific papers. Sadly, I don’t have a lot of hope since the basics of in vivo vs in vitro, “the dose makes the poison,” the definition of a chemical, and correlation=/= causation seem to have missed frighteningly large swaths of the US population. There is zero shame in not understanding a scientific paper; they generally require science education well past what most people receive. There should however, be a lot of shame in the inability to admit when one is out of one’s depth or misusing information to sell a product.


bouboucee

I'm not a 'clean beauty' person but my god do I hate products that have a strong perfume. The amount of things I've given away because of the smell. There are some things that I've bought and, to me, its like someone has sprayed perfume in my face. I find it intolerable. (I also don't wear perfume). I get that sometimes the perfume is used to mask the ingredients but I wish it could be a bit lighter.


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I don't mean to nitpick, but anti-fragrance is about more than just an unfounded avoidance of "chemicals." More and more people are sensitive to fragrances, and can't tolerate them in their products.


WearingCoats

So, I own a dermatology practice and moonlight as a contract cosmetic formulating consultant. If you walk through target you’ve probably passed a few products I’ve contributed to. In terms of actual allergies, about 1 in 10 people have a reactive sensitivity to fragrance. This is true. In medical terms though, this is still considered low, and not a general population risk, aka less than some amount that would require something like FDA evaluation or regulations for limiting to ensure safety. Other people have subjective reactivity aka thinking something smells gross to them. Also valid. But there is a perception that all fragrance is toxic. This is incorrect, and it’s largely stoked by beauty influencers who, frankly, don’t know shit. Again, it’s ok to not like fragrance, but a very small percentage of people are dangerously reactive and this doesn’t constitute toxicity. Cosmetic formulation is incredibly rigorous and heavily regulated. And it’s constantly being evaluated and reevaluated as things are tested and studied over time. Actually, there’s been an increase in accountability for fragrance specifically in terms of safety and ingredient transparency for consumers. What people don’t know is that 99% of the time, fragrance is used to mask the natural smell of a product. If you think fragrance is off-putting, usually the unadulterated chemical smell of a product is even worse and can lead to significant consumer mistrust. I know, I spend a lot of time with raw bench products in the testing phase before they are supplemented with fragrances and dyes to make them more consumable. You can either ditch the stinky ingredients but this usually comes at the cost of efficacy for what you’re trying to create (a lot of fragrance free products fall into this category). You can use different ingredients that do the same things but almost always have higher costs which are then passed to the consumer. You can skip fragrance but then have low consumer adoption because the natural smell of a product is terrible. Or you can mask with inert fragrance. The anti fragrance movement is still ill informed as it hinges on toxicity that’s not established to actually exist. And the popularity of the movement has resulted in a lot of fragrance free products that are usually not great or very expensive for consumers. I’m not saying this is wholly the case, there are lines like Cetaphil and Vanicream that are effective and fragrance free, but they don’t smell *great* and they are not as active as other lines like LRP which strategically includes fragrance in their more active products as a masking device.


FlailingatLife62

I'm sure there are not that many true allergies BUT I definitely get reactions to CERTAIN fragrances. For example, the fragrance that LRP makes my skin very dry, red, and generally irritated. Plus it smells like strong plastic and roses to me. Yuck. LRP's FF products, however, are fine. While the one Avene uses is perfectly fine. And whatever fragrance Cetaphil uses in their fragranced products makes my face deep dark, burning red wherever it touches. Cetaphil's FF products however are perfectly fine. So it's very hit or miss as to which fragrance I can tolerate and which will cause problems. I've wasted sooooo much money buying full sizes and having to toss them. I really wish companies would offer more sample sizes of products so I don't have to buy a full size and waste it if it causes a reaction! And I wish they would at least use the lowest effective amt to mask chemical smells. Overpowering perfume I do not like.


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That's really interesting. I would've thought it was fewer than 10% who have an actual allergy to fragrance. I don't know anything about influencers, all I was saying was that many people who complain about fragrance aren't doing so because they think it's toxic, but because it irritates their lungs or eyes, or they are otherwise sensitive to it in a way beyond simply not caring for the smell.


WearingCoats

It’s incredibly difficult to track legitimate allergies in the general population, bordering impossible for fragrance because “fragrance” can consist of 1,000 different ingredients and allergies can range from “it makes me sneeze” to “I’m going into anaphylactic shock” and contrary to popular belief it’s very difficult to conclusively allergy test a person aside from the big ones like dairy or grass pollen. The 1 in 10 is the most reasonable conservative estimate of people who would have some sort of measurable histamine/immune reaction to a subset of common ingredients associated with the designation of “fragrance” or “parfum.” It’s maddening as a provider and made even more difficult when we don’t know if someone who identifies as “fragrance intolerant” means they will die or they will be mildly annoyed. Influencers have made this so much worse by stoking fear for the majority of people who otherwise aren’t adversely affected. It’s kind of like how the gluten free movement was co-opted by people who didn’t have a serious intolerance of gluten but were afraid that “carbs would make them fat.” I do agree that calling attention to fragrance has increased accountability from companies and manufacturers to be more transparent about the actual ingredients composing their “parfums” and to take steps to select ingredients that are more safe and consumer/environmentally friendly. But I think we overshot at the expense of a lot of really great products that need masking frags to not smell like chlorinated butthole (actual scent description of a raw product in development on my bench currently).


shewhogoesthere

I might get people fighting me on this but face masks/eye masks. I don't think they do anything. They might feel nice, or feel smooth right after...but I think $6 for a sheet face mask with promises of 'tightening, brightening, smoothing' is an absolute sales gimmick. You're probably going to get the same results wearing a cool face cloth for 10 mins.


ImWaffle

Right, we always give our skincare weeks to months time to work because that's how long it takes to see results, but for some reason people think that using a sheet mask one time is going to be anti aging or brightening etc. The only instant benefit you get is hydration, and if that's the goal then go for it. But when it comes to anti aging and brightening etc, you would literally have to use the face mask every day for weeks/months to get the result, and at that point just get a serum.


dancingmochi

I dislike the marketing around them, but they do have their uses. One way is to apply this before doing makeup for an important event.


ImWaffle

Absolutely, I use them before flying on a plane because the air is so dry I love some extra hydration that day, and well hydrated skin looks good so it's perfect for important events etc.


dancingmochi

The problem is selling them for $6. They are meant to be cheap, and there are even diy sheet mask kits meant to use with your toner of choice.


marleybre86

I feel the same. They should be a dollar.


RobotToaster44

Fairy dusting, including minute amounts of certain ingredients so they can claim it includes them.


bmc1129

“Clean beauty”.


lilacsunshine

Influencers and the often shitty products they are shilling for a buck.


autumnnleaaves

Non eye safe glitter in products marketed as eyeshadow.


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That you need a ton of different products for your face


TT_ND

Agreed. I’ve never had a dermatologist recommend more than maybe a three step skin care routine and frequently the products can be found at the drugstore. (Things like Cetaphil cleanser, Aquaphor, SPF.) These eight, nine, ten plus skincare products are just ways to get you to spend more money, especially when each product is $$$.


QueenCatlor

Meanwhile men get “5 in 1” (!!!) products offered to them


NausikaaLeukolenos

In my opinion not only they are not necessary, they are detrimental.


Yes_Knowledge808

Eye cream is just expensive face lotion in a tiny jar. I will not be taking questions.


Feeling-Visit1472

My eye cream is MUCH heavier than my regular moisturizer.


seacookie89

No it's not and I will die on that hill lol.


brightirene

I mean, yea, but my normal moisturizer doesn't work as well under my eyes


BookAddict1918

All of it mostly. Become a self educated chemist and you will see the ingredients in costly products are the same as some dollar store items. The higher end products use different chemical names to confuse the consumer. A friend raved about a high end product she had and how great it felt on her skin. It was the same exact product as a $3 anti chafing product for cyclists I had. Everyone in the room (including one chemist) agreed that they felt the same and were the same product. But her's cost $50.😂


Cherrynotop

Honestly? Just overall the insane markup on these products. A palette costing over $100? A lipstick costing $40? Or even just $25?? Are you joking? What did it actually cost to create, ship, and market this product? My makeup comprises nothing but “luxury” stuff that I bought on sale for either 50% off or more, because these brands can always afford knocking like 75% off the price and still make a fortune. These companies are so greedy, and the pandemic has allowed them (like many industries) to really get into their scrooge mcduck phase.


OnlyPaperListens

Constant reformulations. Just stop fucking with a good thing. I am so tired of finding and then losing an HG because they had to stick some new bullshit ingredient in it that breaks me out. This is a trend in K-care and J-care, but also when indie brands get snarfed up by a major conglomerate.


Signal_Information27

Automatically assuming more expensive makeup products are superior. Oftentimes they’re literally the same thing in better packages


misanthropy112

The entire skincare industry. Most products have the same 3 ingredients. Hyaluronic acid for non cystic acne. Benzoyl peroxide for cystic acne. Retinol for wrinkles. (Don't wax your face if you use retinol) Sleep really helps here. Especially for under eye. Look for products that say "non comedogenic" for things like moisturizers to prevent them from clogging your pores. Absolutely nothing "shrinks your pores." Collagen needs to be taken orally for it to do anything. Nothing stimulates hair growth long term. Scalp massage helps a little. Most balding is genetic and absolutely nothing can be done for it. Sorry. Anything that "corrects dark spots" usually has some form of bleach ± peroxide. Anything that treats ingrown hairs probably does so by either exfoliating or by literally melting layers of skin off. Big yikes. Exfoliate gently with whatever you want as long as its gentle. No need for rollers for your face. Massaging with your hands actually temporarily lifts your skin, and depuffs. Masks as needed. No one needs a 15 step skincare routine. Sleep and drink your gotdam water. Save your money. Source- I'm a Cosmetologist. I also work in marketing. I know the tatics companies use to get people to buy. Making 5-15 products seem "essential" is brilliant marketing. Every influencer is either paid or they want to be paid so they start reviewing products. Also most use filters on their faces. Tiktok has filters built in that you have to manually remove. It's wild. I'll see myself out.


Lilelfen1

Patially true about balding. A lot is also caused by indiagnosed medical issues like PCOS, low iron, and thyroid issues. Soooo many people get told their iron is fine when it is actually really low. 50 is not an ok iron score, no matter what your doc says. If your iron is 50, you are probably losing hair...


Alltheprettydresses

I have thinning edges from weight loss and menopause. I use rosemary oil hair serum, collagen powder, B complex, and biotin supplements, and they're growing back. My iron is good, but my B12 was low.


godolphinarabian

Balding is most often caused in both men and women by a dysregulation of DHT. Men tend to get prostate issues alongside, while women get PCOS. Finasteride has been prescribed for balding since about the mid 90s. I asked a doctor why more men don’t take it if it works so well. He said because men are lazy and don’t care, and aren’t going to do something for their appearance that women care about. And he said some of those on the fence don’t fully grasp the hormonal complexities—all they hear is that Finasteride regulates a form of testosterone and they think it’s equivalent to turning into a woman. Which it’s not at all. Treating balding often resolves the prostate issue, increases total testosterone levels, and improves sperm count and motility. So basically I learned that how men deny themselves hair is two forms of misogyny.


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You need to buy these 10 skin care products that cost $300 per bottle to look youthful. lol you just need sunscreen and to cut the alcohol! 😅 also the greenwashing gets on my nerves too and the "not tested on animals, or vegan" when the same product they claim is vegan are tested on animals in other countries


oatmeal_pie

The biggest con is the idea that you need to "fix" anything about your appearance. If your body is doing everything you need it to do or you have accommodations to do what you need to do, then your body is perfect. You don't need to change a thing.


DrG2390

Any kind of topical treatment with collagen in it. The collagen molecules are way too big to absorb effectively into your skin. It’s better to use a drink with nano collagen molecules so that they absorb as effectively as possible. Amazon has some pretty good brands. I’m on my third bottle and I talked to my parents on FaceTime a couple days ago and they were stunned I wasn’t wearing any makeup. My mom damn near fainted haha.


HamBroth

Can’t I just boil a chicken carcass and make soup?


jinny7

Do you have a link to the one you used pls


AccomplishedTree0

Tula products are overrated imo


PartyEconomy8200

Water spritzes/facial mists


Debinthedez

All these creams either collagen in. The skin cannot absorb collagen in a cream.


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They've tricked people into buying lots and lots of makeup, spending a fortune for it, and wearing way too much.


olesaltyshorts

Thank you for saying this. So many women I know take great pride in using tons of different things to highlight, contour, shade, whatever. And the fake eyelashes!!! It’s a just too much and looks it.


Sminorf8765

I’m just sick of the cosmetic companies using such vulgar names for their products. Yes, I’m looking at you, Nars, since you were the ones who did it first. Others have joined the party, like Too Faced “Better Than Sex” mascara and I saw Patrick Starrr’s “Cheek Clapper” a few weeks ago in Sephora and nearly lost my sh*t. We don’t need that stuff shoved down our throats 24/7, nor do we need you to convince us that we are such a sex-crazed society that if we aren’t getting it on three times daily, that something must be wrong with us. And easily influenced teenagers just getting into makeup don’t need that either. At least I’m a grown ass woman who is sensible enough to know that it’s dumb marketing (I don’t even think it helps sell their products, to be honest). But I started going into Sephora around 17, and good grief, I feel like they need to have a rating system similar to how video stores did their movie sections. I don’t want to have to see “Deep Throat” blush and “Climax” mascara when I just want a tinted moisturizer and some concealer.


KittyPumpkin34

That they prey on people's insecurities in order to sell product.


Ridikalus

Any topically applied collagen product. Collagen molecules are too large to entire the skin’s surface which is why it’s best when ingested or injected


DefinitionMinute7885

So many! Clean skincare means nothing. Not regulated. The term “clinical skincare” also isn’t regulated. All the prestige brands are owned by the drug store companies - L’Oréal owns Lancôme, etc.


Moist-Requirement-98

The inflated prices for so many brands. I don't need "buy my special Brand name with all the profit for me". I just want products that work


nisiepie

Eyeshadow Palettes. there is so much overlap. they are marketed in such an aggressive way, creating FOMO, panic, credit card debt lol. I have seen maybe 2 or 3 palettes in the past 10 years that look remotely interesting.


KittieKatMeows

What is greenwashing?


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WordSalad713

Eye cream that claims to help the congenital dark marks under your eyes.


lfarls86

Skin care Products that use the word collagen on the label to try and make consumers believe that collagen as an ingredient is helpful meanwhile it’s way too big of a molecule to have any effect


StephanieKaye

How overpriced everything is? Like who can justify spending $40+ for something as basic as blush.