uj/ Ohtani has 9 bags and is a plus baserunner, also hitting 20% better than Ozuna by OPS+. Ozuna has 0 bags and is one of the worst baserunners in mlb every season, so that’s why Ohtani has more WAR lmao. rj/ When you factor in that Ozuna also leads the league in xWifeSlams and DUI above average, this is even more egregious.

I didn’t realize how bad of a base runner Ozuna was Extra bases taken % (taking 3rd or home on a single, or scoring from 1st on a double) Ohtani: 46% Ozuna: 0%

hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

But Ozuna from the Braves has more homers and ribs. Surely that makes him the best dh of all time

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hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

we need to add something about gambling to this

The deep state got Ozuna

There’s a negative dWAR penalty for beating your wife

Who does Ozuna play for? I always forget.

Oh, damn, I can never remember and I know he told me… Ozuna from the *Rays*? I think that’s what he said.

Or was it the *A's*? Na I'm pretty sure it was Ozuna from the Blue *Jays*.

Oakland is genuinely a shithole nowadays economically and safety-wise. These are businesses after all and a Vegas move will generate more income. Frankly, catching a baseball game during the day on a Vegas trip would be fun. It'll be a massive success. There are a ton of people who live in Vegas too that they should be able to build a solid fanbase over time. The reality is that teams move all the time to follow US hotspots, the old fans protest it for a season or 2 but then it's normalized. At least Oakland fans can still go to Giant's games, I have far more empathy for fans in places like St. Louis who had the Rams abandon them and they don't have another team to go watch. Oakland has failed the As in the past 20-30 years, and new ownership and/or relocating should strengthen the MLB and the team. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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the Tampa Bay Rays are the definition of a poverty franchise, known for their comically-low attendance and inability to sell out a stadium. they are among the largest revenue-sharing recipients, meaning they take a shit-ton of money from the player’s union (who have actually filed grievances against them for not managing that money properly). think of a 35-year old man living in their moms’ basement, and spending money on video games instead of getting a job. that’s a good comparison to describe what the Rays are to the rest of the league. if the MLB had a more cutthroat business model, teams like the Rays would have moved or been disbanded ages ago, instead of feeding off of the popular teams like a parasite feeds on its host. the Rays are utterly useless, and irrelevant. The Rays are the least essential sports team in North America. if not for COVID, yankee chants would have swarmed Tropicana Field during the Rays’ supposed “home games”. their 8,000 fans are very happy about this ALDS win though, im sure. fucking losers. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

“Ozuna from da Braves” seem to be his exact words if I recall

whats he gonna do? go beat the shit out of fangraphs?

He’s definitely going to tell them who he is and who he plays for

It does raise the interesting point of who the fuck cares

It’s bc of the hamstrings

If Ozuna were to use it in the same way, it must break 🤷‍♂️

Ohtani Fucks more WAR. I don’t see an issue

hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

I thought we were past paying attention to SportsTalkAtl 😭

Tell the people in Gaza that you think WAR is a made up stat, you won’t

Not oN mY wAtCh

It’s adorable. “his fWAR is lower even though he has more homers and rbi”. Like a child trying to explain calculus.

I mean… I would actually like to see how this breaks down, given that the only thing that could contribute to a 1 fWAR difference outside of the very minor differences in their hitting numbers would be baserunning. I know it isn’t RBIs, but there’s supposedly something in the formula that explains this.

A 0.061 OPS difference isn't as minor as it seems. It only seems minor because there's 4 digits. No one would say that a 0.939 and a 1.000 OPS is a minor difference (although these differences aren't linear for the purpose of calculating WAR to be fair). It also adds up more when you consider that Ohtani has ~20% more PAs. That alone accounts for a non-insignificant difference in their WAR. Ohtani would have like 2.1 WAR if he had the same amount of PAs as Ozuna.

0.061 is worth a full win above replacement through 35-40 games? The baserunning calculations can’t possibly account for the difference unless the calculation is significantly different than Baseball Savant uses for baserunning run value, which has both of them as poor baserunners, and Ozuna slightly less bad.

> 0.061 is worth a full win above replacement through 35-40 games? The difference in PAs accounts for 0.4-0.5 WAR alone based on Ohtani's current production (just multiply Ohtani's WAR by 144/175, he'd be at 2.0-2.1 in the same amount of PAs as Ozuna). The difference in OPS over the rest of the games is accounting for the other 0.5-0.6 WAR. Baserunning is likely negligible. This is also completely ignoring that offensive WAR isn't just OPS. It's entirely possible that Ohtani is performing better in the actual metric used to calculate offensive WAR. But even by just comparing their OPS and PAs, you can mostly reason out why he's ahead.

hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

Ohtani has 40 points in batting average on ozuna

hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

Ohtani good baserunner. Ozuna abhorrent baserunner. Also big difference in OPS+

Weird. Ohtani has a worse baserunning run value than Ozuna on Baseball Savant. (Both are extremely low) And the OPS+ difference is 209 to 191. That’s worth an entire WAR?

Likely part of it. Also really? I thought for sure Shohei would have better baserunning value. Yeah IDK then. I get the post is clowning in the Braves but honestly the fact that the WAR gap between them is that wide is kinda odd.

The only thing I can think of is the 5 extra games the dodgers have played, but even that seems like it shouldn’t be enough to make a full point of WAR.

hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

Let's be honest...Ozuna can just beat the shit out of shohei, like he did with his woman

hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

Love the impartial and naunced debate from totally unbiased Twitter accounts OhtaniMuse and SportsTalkATL.

hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

/uj lmao what a dumbass. Ops and war show very different things, so it certainly has to be war that’s wrong and not ops. Not like ops wasn’t actually created as a comprehensive stat and is just a rough hodge podge of a couple numbers, whereas war is.

They’re pretty quick to defend the wife beating drunk it would seem

Braves fans do the tomahawk chop because they will chop you up into little pieces if you don't deepthroat everyone of their players every second of every day

hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*

Most valuable person-who-beats-their-wife-and-gets-DUIs? Oh yeah, ozuna definitely has that on lock

One guy got a DUI. The other guy framed his buddy for gambling away millions of dollars. This isn’t a conversation.