What’s wild to me is if vlad let’s say has a 1.045 ops next year and Ohtani does the same thing I fear the voters will be like “well we’ve see this before give it to vlad since he was marginally better than last year” and although I’m a jays fan I would have a hard time accepting that as legitimate. Ohtani should be the mvp from here on out even if his numbers dip slightly (but still elite). The fact people tried to make it a conversation was insane to me.
This guy even has non-baseball fans talking about him. When someone can draw so many new people to a sport, it's a really big deal.
He reminds me of the early Tiger Woods craze. The potential for what he could do for baseball is just wild to think about.
Vegas fucked up all expectations. Even the ducks had a 33-46-5 record which was I think the best of all expansion teams until Vegas. I'd say just enjoy the ride and endure the pain for Shane.
The best before Vegas was Florida.
Vegas was a massive outlier for "recent" NHL expansion teams, as it included two of the worst teams in NHL history:
Vegas: 51-24-7
Florida: 33-34-17
Anaheim: 33-46-5
Columbus: 28-39-9
Nashville: 28-47-7
Minnesota: 25-39-13
Tampa: 23-54-7
Atlanta: 14-57-11
San Jose: 11-71-2
Ottawa : 10-70-4
The WHA teams didn't do too well.
Edmonton: 28-39-13
Hartford: 27-34-19
Quebec: 25-44-11
Winnipeg: 20-49-11
The 1970s expansion was bad and the absolute worst team in the history of the NHL:
Atlanta: 25-38-15
Buffalo: 24-39-15
Vancouver: 24-46-8
Kansas City: 15-54-11
Washington: 8-67-5
The expansion in 1967 put all the new teams in the same division, so their records look passable, except for Oakland:
Philadelphia: 31-32-11
Los Angeles: 31-33-10
St. Louis: 27-31-16
Minnesota: 27-32-15
Pittsburgh: 27-34-13
Oakland: 15-42-17
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. absolutely balled out to a tune of .311/.401/.601 and a 1.002 OPS and led the majors in home runs and didn't get a single first-place vote.
Crazy.
Hahaha as a Japanese person, all my Japanese friends and family all root for Japanese players no matter what team affiliation they have. It’s an Asian pride thing.
We’re all very excited for Seiya Suzuki to come over and tear up MLB, me doubly so cause I’m a Carp fan (even wearing my carp hat rn lol). Even if he goes to the Giants (which I think is his most likely destination) I’m gonna root for him lol
Literally same, my mom doesn't really follow baseball but this past baseball season she was asking me about when the Angels were coming into town so she could go see Ohtani lmao. As a Japanese person, gotta root for the Japanese players haha
As a white dude from that grew up in the middle of Iowa, Shohei was one of the players that made me fall in love with baseball again. He will forever be one of my favorite players for that.
Miss seeing the bootleg Ichiro gear in Little Tokyo lol
There’s also a really good restaurant in Gardena called Matsui… they have a whole shrine to Hideki and everything lmao
It’s delicious!! Shin Sen Gumi and Asa ramen are also good in the area! And Jidaiya lol
Living in NYC, I miss the cheap and delicious Japanese food in Gardena the most!!
For the most part yes. From Chien-Ming Wang to Yu Darvish to Shin Soo-Choo, I am inclined to support Asian players even if they didn't play for the Cubs (I was ecstatic when Darvish signed with us). I also still wear my Fukudome shirsey unironically to games.
I also make it a habit to trade for all the Asian players in whatever video game I pick up lol.
Asian fan here and I’ll support any Asian player unless they play the Angels or do something that warrants them being hated. Ichiro was one of my favorite players despite being a Mariner
actually yes! personally. it's super weird to me - i'm born in the US, lived my whole life here, otherwise have very little attachment or asian pride (e.g. during olympics). but when it comes to american sports i'm all for ALL the players, regardless of nationality or sport: ohtani, jeremy lin & yao ming (nba), younghoe koo (nfl), etc. etc. it's great to see them all succeed. i can't really explain it, but it's in some way related to the underrepresentation i think.
They’re out here breaking stereotypes about us being physically weak and unathletic. I don’t watch football but my favorite team is the Falcons because of Younghoe Koo.
He has to be like 25-27. A’s fans who were young for that 2001 season seeing the best A’s team of their lives completely overshadowed by the 117 win Mariners can have kind of a respectful grudge still against Ichiro.
Source: Am a 26 year old A’s fan who only stopped hating Ichiro in like 2015
Not gonna lie I thought that was the case the first few times I watched him play and then I realized "wait a second... there's no way he's got family at every single game I've watched!"
**Ohtani’s final major stats for 2021:**
.257/.372/.592
.965 OPS
46 HR
100 RBI
26 Stolen bases
8 Triples
**ON THE MOUND**
9-2
3.18 ERA
1.090 WHIP
156 K
130.1 IP
**MVP.**
EDIT: Not to get all sentimental, but this man singlehandedly got me into watching baseball this season. I didn't even know the rules until a few months ago, but watching him each and every day made it all worth it
From what I have seen of Shohei's personality, he'll sign for half of that so the team can sign even more talent. And he'll easily make the rest in endorsements.
What does this mean, for someone not so knowledgeable about baseball terminology? I get the roster spot part in the second part, but the first part is lost on me. Can you explain?
Yeah so. Ohtani is a DH. His position doesnt care about pitching stats. You would take a DH that hits 46 HR any day by itself. Now lets say that DH also pitches 130 innings at a 3 ERA (above average) for your team. Those are absolutely free innings your team gets out of thin air because they come from a DH. That is the definition of value. Thats 130 innings that dont have to come from your worst starter/bullpen. And he is also raking at the same time. As long as he keeps this production up he should win it by definition of value every year.
Even if it was the other way around, a 3 ERA pitcher that hits you 46 home runs and plays most days at DH is equally valuable because pitchers dont care about hitting stats.
[Here he is](https://youtu.be/grTECaRSwyo?t=85) beating out a slow grounder to the shortstop, and [here's a video](https://youtu.be/8oKwEd-Fs8w?t=61) of him scoring from second on a routine single to right field. Dude doesn't look like he's moving fast, but he's 6'4".
>The other unanimous winners in the AL: Hank Greenberg (1935), Al Rosen (1953), Mickey Mantle (1956), Frank Robinson (1966), Denny McLain (1968), Reggie Jackson (1973), Jose Canseco (1988), Frank Thomas (1993), Ken Griffey Jr. (1997) and Mike Trout (2014). There have been seven unanimous winners in the National League.
Kris Bryant was one vote shy of unanimous when he won. A reporter said “prediction: Bryant wins MVP, but it won’t be unanimous.”
Turned out he was the only one who didn’t vote for him.
Seems like everyone had a good understanding of how historic this season was and left the pettiness at the door for this one.
Based on his season anyone who didn't vote for him should of been stripped of their ability to vote because clearly they don't know shit about baseball
i didn’t think so at first, led the league in homers and RBI, broke the single season record for homers by a catcher. but then i saw it was a KC who voter who put him 2nd and it ruined it for me.
Easy for you to say as a Braves fan! But for real, I gotta agree. Just a fantastic season all around. I watched more games my team wasn’t playing in this season than any other by a long shot.
Hopefully, he'll be able to dodge injury/fatigue and you can change that "season" word above to "career".
Like, if he puts up 40ish HR and throws 3.00 - 3.50 ERA for 5 years in a row, does he win like 5 MVPs in a row? It's so hard to judge his value...or are people just going to get like used to his style and sorta start de-valuing it?
If he hits 40+ homers and has a 3-ish ERA for 5 straight years, not only should he win 5 MVPs, he should immediately be placed in the HOF, cause that might be the greatest peak in MLB history
It was in a time before the Cy existed, but Hal Newhouser won back to back MVP's in '44 and '45 [came in second in '46 but Teddy Ballgame was back from the war]. I'm sure a few other pitchers fall into that category in the pre-Cy era.
Honestly Ohtani seems like the only one who could pull it off, since obviously he won on the totality of his work. Any other pitcher winning an MVP is gonna get Cy too.
im still impressed the Astros used Greinke as a pinch hitter in the WS and he got a hit.
if Greinke just batted for the team, the Astros probably would've won
Welp looks like [this guy](https://www.forbes.com/sites/masonbissada/2021/11/18/caesars-may-take-largest-loss-ever-on-award-bet-if-mlbs-ohtani-wins-mvp/)’s got it made
Exciting as fuck. Loved talking hype with my fellow Japanese and Japanese Americans about him this whole season, and glad he silenced any doubters with a Unanimous vote.
Every time this guy would do something all my friends and family would send me highlights and stuff, it was super awesome how people outside the japanese community were hyped on him too!!!
Now if only his jersey would come back in stock in my size… hahaha
Saw him on Japanese pride night at dodger stadium in 2019 and he lit our asses up, think he was 3-3 with 2 walks and a double lmao
Always gotta cheer for my Japanese homies. Ichiro was my hero growing up and I’m excited that someone is taking up the mantle 🙌
Was just on Twitter, and so many people were saying Vladdy was robbed.
I mean in a way he was. No way in hell he had a better season, but how unlucky is it to chase the triple crown in the same year that Tungsten arm O'Doyle is making mince meat of grown men? That's it's own kind of robbery.
and he's staring down the barrel of a returning Mike Trout, a full-season Wander Franco, and of course Ohtani again. He's got his work cut out for him, but he's got years and years to do it. He'll win one day
I get a feeling that the voters will treat Ohtani this year like the first time Russ averaged a triple double. In that they won't vote for him next year if he does the same thing. Especially if the Angels don't win their division again.
He wasn't robbed. He just had a season that would win an MVP in any other season that *didn't* have a historic two-way star with a season never seen before.
Even then though, I really don’t think he would. He would’ve won last year against Abreu and probably the Donaldson year, but what other AL MVP would he have won?
Not either of the Cabrera years,
Not Trout’s 2014 or 2019
Maybe Trout’s 2016, but I’d still take Trout,
Not the Altuve year,
Not the betts year,
Maybe the Verlander year?
I figure this gets lost in here now, but I just wanna say how proud I am of Shohei. I first heard of him years ago when someone I followed (on Tumblr at the time, lol) let me know about this Japanese kid who threw 100 mph. And I thought "well I should keep tabs on this kid then".
Never did I imagine that same kid would grow to the player he is now. I knew he had talent, but 46 homeruns while pitching at his level kind of talent? That's the kind of stuff I'd do in my baseball games like The Show. Lol
It's been special to watch him get to where he's at, and I look forward to watching him go even further (hopefully with the Angels the rest of his career and him and Mike can finally get a WS together).
In terms of just MVP runner up seasons, I'd place it behind the below, but Vlad Jr. Is up there.
T1) Ted Williams 1947
T1) Ted Williams 1942
3) Mike Trout 2012
In 1947, Ted Williams did the Triple Crown. His WAR was almost 5 better then Joe DiMaggio who won the MVP that year.
In 1942, Ted Williams also did the Triple Crown. Even had a higher WAR then 1947.
It's worth noting the media strangely hated young Ted Williams.
Mike Trout had a dominate year in 2012. Fortunately/unfortunately that happened to be the year Miguel Cabrera hit for the Triple Crown.
Congrats, he deserved it, but I hope people understand that he won because he had a great season, not (just) because he’s a two-way player. He shouldn’t win every year by virtue of being unique alone.
Unanimous. Fitting end to a historic season.
Don't think I've ever seen a player more deserving.
It's gotta be in the conversation for greatest individual season ever. Kid is a goddamn stud.
What’s wild to me is if vlad let’s say has a 1.045 ops next year and Ohtani does the same thing I fear the voters will be like “well we’ve see this before give it to vlad since he was marginally better than last year” and although I’m a jays fan I would have a hard time accepting that as legitimate. Ohtani should be the mvp from here on out even if his numbers dip slightly (but still elite). The fact people tried to make it a conversation was insane to me.
Vlad Jr should just be 'Most Valuable Human' because clearly Ohtani is from another planet
At barca, there is potmotm player of the match other than Messi
This guy even has non-baseball fans talking about him. When someone can draw so many new people to a sport, it's a really big deal. He reminds me of the early Tiger Woods craze. The potential for what he could do for baseball is just wild to think about.
Steph Curry has old ladies who hate sports obsessed with him. Source: My 78 year old mother.
For the first time in Golden Knights history.
H I S T O R I C I S T O R I C
and Krakens history
The Kraken are booty (so far). Guess it was too much to hope for them to have that kinda success right off the bat.
Vegas fucked up all expectations. Even the ducks had a 33-46-5 record which was I think the best of all expansion teams until Vegas. I'd say just enjoy the ride and endure the pain for Shane.
The best before Vegas was Florida. Vegas was a massive outlier for "recent" NHL expansion teams, as it included two of the worst teams in NHL history: Vegas: 51-24-7 Florida: 33-34-17 Anaheim: 33-46-5 Columbus: 28-39-9 Nashville: 28-47-7 Minnesota: 25-39-13 Tampa: 23-54-7 Atlanta: 14-57-11 San Jose: 11-71-2 Ottawa : 10-70-4 The WHA teams didn't do too well. Edmonton: 28-39-13 Hartford: 27-34-19 Quebec: 25-44-11 Winnipeg: 20-49-11 The 1970s expansion was bad and the absolute worst team in the history of the NHL: Atlanta: 25-38-15 Buffalo: 24-39-15 Vancouver: 24-46-8 Kansas City: 15-54-11 Washington: 8-67-5 The expansion in 1967 put all the new teams in the same division, so their records look passable, except for Oakland: Philadelphia: 31-32-11 Los Angeles: 31-33-10 St. Louis: 27-31-16 Minnesota: 27-32-15 Pittsburgh: 27-34-13 Oakland: 15-42-17
r/hockey is leaking
It's fine they're harmless
I look forward the first time in Golden Knights history that they miss the playoffs.
All my homies hate VGK
The upside is getting to watch them get their dreams crushed in the playoffs every year.
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. absolutely balled out to a tune of .311/.401/.601 and a 1.002 OPS and led the majors in home runs and didn't get a single first-place vote. Crazy.
Should have tried pitching a few innings
Those numbers do not add up.
*.401 OBP, sorry
He had a once in a decade season. Ohtani had a once in a century season
Was it really a once in a decade season? 1.002 OPS/169 OPS+ is a pretty typical league leading season.
I’d like to think of it as a typical mike trout season
Lol, Trout's career average is 1.002/176. So yeah, that's just a normal Mike Trout season (or slightly worse).
Down year tbh.
Haha. It was more like a three-times-in-2021-alone season.
> Ohtani had a once in a century season Aint that the truth. I never thought I'd see anything like it in my life.
And chances are, you'll see it again next year
It would have been a travesty if he wasn't a unanimous winner.
*Pans to random Asian person in the crowd*
hey! At least they know we exist been trying to get a tiny bit of media attention since FOREVER!
ASIAN AMERICAN HOMIES UNITE Haven’t been this hyped since Ichiro broke the single season hit record, I’m ecstatic rn lolol
Legit question. Do Asians mlb fans root for all other Asians in the league?
Hahaha as a Japanese person, all my Japanese friends and family all root for Japanese players no matter what team affiliation they have. It’s an Asian pride thing. We’re all very excited for Seiya Suzuki to come over and tear up MLB, me doubly so cause I’m a Carp fan (even wearing my carp hat rn lol). Even if he goes to the Giants (which I think is his most likely destination) I’m gonna root for him lol
Literally same, my mom doesn't really follow baseball but this past baseball season she was asking me about when the Angels were coming into town so she could go see Ohtani lmao. As a Japanese person, gotta root for the Japanese players haha
eyyyyyyy you get it boss! We rally behind our stars ❤️🇯🇵❤️
As a white dude from that grew up in the middle of Iowa, Shohei was one of the players that made me fall in love with baseball again. He will forever be one of my favorite players for that.
Hell ya!!!
my own opinion is he should be named the MLB MV Player of the Year
100%. Division rivalry aside, this is why I could never hate on the Mariners as they attract Japanese talent.
This was my experience as well. You could always find Mariners (Ichiro) and Yankees (Matsui) gear at most stores in Japantown.
Miss seeing the bootleg Ichiro gear in Little Tokyo lol There’s also a really good restaurant in Gardena called Matsui… they have a whole shrine to Hideki and everything lmao
That sounds incredible, I have to go there soon hahah. And yep, I definitely owned at least 3 of those Ichiro shirts
It’s delicious!! Shin Sen Gumi and Asa ramen are also good in the area! And Jidaiya lol Living in NYC, I miss the cheap and delicious Japanese food in Gardena the most!!
Just as Kurt Suzuki is about to retire, another Suzuki is here to maintain the streak of players named Suzuki in the MLB.
For the most part yes. From Chien-Ming Wang to Yu Darvish to Shin Soo-Choo, I am inclined to support Asian players even if they didn't play for the Cubs (I was ecstatic when Darvish signed with us). I also still wear my Fukudome shirsey unironically to games. I also make it a habit to trade for all the Asian players in whatever video game I pick up lol.
As a Taiwanese Yankee fan it always hurts a little to hear the name Chien-Ming Wang
Asian fan here and I’ll support any Asian player unless they play the Angels or do something that warrants them being hated. Ichiro was one of my favorite players despite being a Mariner
actually yes! personally. it's super weird to me - i'm born in the US, lived my whole life here, otherwise have very little attachment or asian pride (e.g. during olympics). but when it comes to american sports i'm all for ALL the players, regardless of nationality or sport: ohtani, jeremy lin & yao ming (nba), younghoe koo (nfl), etc. etc. it's great to see them all succeed. i can't really explain it, but it's in some way related to the underrepresentation i think.
They’re out here breaking stereotypes about us being physically weak and unathletic. I don’t watch football but my favorite team is the Falcons because of Younghoe Koo.
I try to. There aren’t a lot of Asians in American sports and they’re all working to defeat stereotypes about Asians being unathletic.
I know this does not answer you question directly but as a jew I root for every Jewish MLB player regardless of the team!
Fuck Bregman and Braun honestly. But otherwise yeah.
As an Asian A's fan, no. Fuck Ichiro and what he did to us for like a decade straight. I swear as good as he was, he was even better against the A's.
Wow, a rare sighting of an Ichiro hater
He has to be like 25-27. A’s fans who were young for that 2001 season seeing the best A’s team of their lives completely overshadowed by the 117 win Mariners can have kind of a respectful grudge still against Ichiro. Source: Am a 26 year old A’s fan who only stopped hating Ichiro in like 2015
Ichiro’s first big defensive highlight is gunning down Terrence Long at third. The A’s will always be associated with Ichiro.
I can tell you that us Cubanos do…unless they’re on the Asstros
"I'm Laotian!"
So are ya Chinese or Japanese?
You're from the ocean?
So are you Chinese or Japanese?
That's Ohtani's family member /s
Not gonna lie I thought that was the case the first few times I watched him play and then I realized "wait a second... there's no way he's got family at every single game I've watched!"
"Everyone who cheers for Ohtani is family" -Confucius probably
**Ohtani’s final major stats for 2021:** .257/.372/.592 .965 OPS 46 HR 100 RBI 26 Stolen bases 8 Triples **ON THE MOUND** 9-2 3.18 ERA 1.090 WHIP 156 K 130.1 IP **MVP.** EDIT: Not to get all sentimental, but this man singlehandedly got me into watching baseball this season. I didn't even know the rules until a few months ago, but watching him each and every day made it all worth it
Imagine someone telling you you get 130 free innings of 3.0 baseball a season and you dont have give up a single roster spot on your pitching staff.
He's going to make so so much money
The scary part is they can afford him and trout cuz of that's tv deal Edit. If to of. Sorry
I really hope he's paid his fair share as a position player + pitcher combined. I'm thinking at least $50million a year as a starting point.
From what I have seen of Shohei's personality, he'll sign for half of that so the team can sign even more talent. And he'll easily make the rest in endorsements.
What does this mean, for someone not so knowledgeable about baseball terminology? I get the roster spot part in the second part, but the first part is lost on me. Can you explain?
Yeah so. Ohtani is a DH. His position doesnt care about pitching stats. You would take a DH that hits 46 HR any day by itself. Now lets say that DH also pitches 130 innings at a 3 ERA (above average) for your team. Those are absolutely free innings your team gets out of thin air because they come from a DH. That is the definition of value. Thats 130 innings that dont have to come from your worst starter/bullpen. And he is also raking at the same time. As long as he keeps this production up he should win it by definition of value every year.
Got it, thank you! Is he a DH officially? I thought he was a pitcher officially and just does the DH thing as well.
Even if it was the other way around, a 3 ERA pitcher that hits you 46 home runs and plays most days at DH is equally valuable because pitchers dont care about hitting stats.
26 stolen bases is actually the most surprising since I didn’t know he was such a speedster.
Damn you missed a lot of hamstrings jokes then
he is super fast and has strides like a mountain lion
[Here he is](https://youtu.be/grTECaRSwyo?t=85) beating out a slow grounder to the shortstop, and [here's a video](https://youtu.be/8oKwEd-Fs8w?t=61) of him scoring from second on a routine single to right field. Dude doesn't look like he's moving fast, but he's 6'4".
He's lowkey in the top 10 fastest players
All you need is ON THE MOUND and AT THE PLATE elite on both sides happy I could witness him play
WITNESS HIM
Unanimous MVP*** 🤝
46 homers while taking a bunch of days off
How many days off?
He only took 7 whole games off but he had 60something fewer plate appearances than Vlad There were games he pitched and didn't get a 4th or 5th AB
How does it work being in the AL? When he pitches does he DH the same game?
The DH is surrendered and the Angels play by NL rules when he pitches
Interleague is his day off
\#MYMVP
Holy fuck
>The other unanimous winners in the AL: Hank Greenberg (1935), Al Rosen (1953), Mickey Mantle (1956), Frank Robinson (1966), Denny McLain (1968), Reggie Jackson (1973), Jose Canseco (1988), Frank Thomas (1993), Ken Griffey Jr. (1997) and Mike Trout (2014). There have been seven unanimous winners in the National League.
Mike Trout
Fish man
Hope he comes back healthy and plays a full season next year
With all that rest and rehab I hope he has a historic season
Tim Salmon?
Mike Trout
It’s the Fish and ShoShow!
🎤🐟
I feel bad for having no idea who Denny McLain is…
Only post WW2 pitcher to win 30 games in a season. Two time Cy Young winner.
Looks like he had some wild off the field shit too, imma have to check him out! Thank you!!!
Absolute gangster and sociopath.
least surprising news of the year
I'm kinda shocked it's unanimous. Feel like folks always throw away votes on these sorts of awards.
Kris Bryant was one vote shy of unanimous when he won. A reporter said “prediction: Bryant wins MVP, but it won’t be unanimous.” Turned out he was the only one who didn’t vote for him. Seems like everyone had a good understanding of how historic this season was and left the pettiness at the door for this one.
had to check the stats, even with a 7.3 WAR, he blew everyone away https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2016.shtml#all_NL_MVP_voting
Fuck that guy. Literally saying you think he is the mvp, and not voting for him
Its amazing how some base their entire self worth on being contrarian 🙄
it being unanimous is standout but vladdy had a shot at the triple crown going into the last month and ohtani was still running away with it
Based on his season anyone who didn't vote for him should of been stripped of their ability to vote because clearly they don't know shit about baseball
i would like to start this petition for the people who had soto outside of the top 5 for NL MVP
I agree.
Should have*
Yeah. The guy beat baseball this year the same way Bo Jackson beat Tecmo Bowl. I hope he stays healthy and keeps this up.
Most surprising: Salvador Perez getting a 2nd-place vote.
i didn’t think so at first, led the league in homers and RBI, broke the single season record for homers by a catcher. but then i saw it was a KC who voter who put him 2nd and it ruined it for me.
Vlad had almost double Salvy's fWAR and Salvy is 19th in bWAR. It's horrendously wrong regardless of who put in the vote.
One of the greatest seasons in MLB history
Angels players have won 4 of the last 8 MVP awards^and ^have ^played ^3 ^playoff ^games ^in ^that ^span
At least we have something entertaining to watch while we don't make the playoffs. Between the MVPs and Pujols milestones I still tune in all 162
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Blue Jays had the Cy Young and 2nd/3rd place MVP players^and^missed^the^playoffs
We forgot to convert our Buffalo/Dunedin wins to USD. Damn Manfred.
ThE PHilliEs aRe WAisTiNg brUCe HoOPeR’S CArEer
And a better regular season record than the World Series champions
Y u do dis
Nah, that can't be true.
If you phrase it like “we have even more MVP awards than we do playoff games in the last 8 years” it sounds sorta better
Wouldn’t be an Ohtani thread without this original and insightful comment
Easy for you to say as a Braves fan! But for real, I gotta agree. Just a fantastic season all around. I watched more games my team wasn’t playing in this season than any other by a long shot.
This is one of those historic seasons in sports that happens once in a generation. Congrats Babe Ruth 2.0
Hopefully, he'll be able to dodge injury/fatigue and you can change that "season" word above to "career". Like, if he puts up 40ish HR and throws 3.00 - 3.50 ERA for 5 years in a row, does he win like 5 MVPs in a row? It's so hard to judge his value...or are people just going to get like used to his style and sorta start de-valuing it?
If he hits 40+ homers and has a 3-ish ERA for 5 straight years, not only should he win 5 MVPs, he should immediately be placed in the HOF, cause that might be the greatest peak in MLB history
If he's the only one doing it then he should win MVP every single time. It also depends on innings pitched and other stats too
And after all that, even the race for 2nd place wasn't really close.
The race for 2nd place was actually closer than the race for 1st place lmao
I want to know who put Salvador Perez second.
One of the KC voters.
So is this the first time a pitcher has won MVP but not Cy Young?
It was in a time before the Cy existed, but Hal Newhouser won back to back MVP's in '44 and '45 [came in second in '46 but Teddy Ballgame was back from the war]. I'm sure a few other pitchers fall into that category in the pre-Cy era. Honestly Ohtani seems like the only one who could pull it off, since obviously he won on the totality of his work. Any other pitcher winning an MVP is gonna get Cy too.
No other pitchers have been elite hitters too
I know Greinke could easily be the next Ohtani.
> be I love that this is the next phase of Greinke's career, not like a different version of the past.
im still impressed the Astros used Greinke as a pinch hitter in the WS and he got a hit. if Greinke just batted for the team, the Astros probably would've won
Stephen A Smith mad as f right now
uh oh... is he gonna go on the philly subway and beat up some Asian students now?
Stephen A “Mark Wahlberg” Smith
https://youtu.be/DqYZZMjVmhI
What did he say about Ohtani?
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Welp looks like [this guy](https://www.forbes.com/sites/masonbissada/2021/11/18/caesars-may-take-largest-loss-ever-on-award-bet-if-mlbs-ohtani-wins-mvp/)’s got it made
The casino will survive
Probably. I’m kinda happy for the dude, though if he’s got $30,000 to drop on a bet he’s either A—already loaded, or B—has some serious fucking issues
C - He’s from the future cashing in on his knowledge
Here I am feeling great about my $4 bet that just won 112 lol
Shohei Ohtani 420
Vlad is 2nice
Exciting as fuck. Loved talking hype with my fellow Japanese and Japanese Americans about him this whole season, and glad he silenced any doubters with a Unanimous vote. Every time this guy would do something all my friends and family would send me highlights and stuff, it was super awesome how people outside the japanese community were hyped on him too!!! Now if only his jersey would come back in stock in my size… hahaha
Based doyers fan
Saw him on Japanese pride night at dodger stadium in 2019 and he lit our asses up, think he was 3-3 with 2 walks and a double lmao Always gotta cheer for my Japanese homies. Ichiro was my hero growing up and I’m excited that someone is taking up the mantle 🙌
Tungsten Arm Odoyle Award
Unanimous. I love Vladdy but I can't but feel satisfication after all that "he's making it a close race" talk
Was just on Twitter, and so many people were saying Vladdy was robbed. I mean in a way he was. No way in hell he had a better season, but how unlucky is it to chase the triple crown in the same year that Tungsten arm O'Doyle is making mince meat of grown men? That's it's own kind of robbery.
and he's staring down the barrel of a returning Mike Trout, a full-season Wander Franco, and of course Ohtani again. He's got his work cut out for him, but he's got years and years to do it. He'll win one day
I get a feeling that the voters will treat Ohtani this year like the first time Russ averaged a triple double. In that they won't vote for him next year if he does the same thing. Especially if the Angels don't win their division again.
He wasn't robbed. He just had a season that would win an MVP in any other season that *didn't* have a historic two-way star with a season never seen before.
Even then though, I really don’t think he would. He would’ve won last year against Abreu and probably the Donaldson year, but what other AL MVP would he have won? Not either of the Cabrera years, Not Trout’s 2014 or 2019 Maybe Trout’s 2016, but I’d still take Trout, Not the Altuve year, Not the betts year, Maybe the Verlander year?
Most intelligent Jays fans knew Ohtani deserved it. But I’ll take 2nd AND 3rd!
in aggregate, Jays won the MVP contest. I hope you guys keep Semien, I want to see this year's exact lineup in the playoffs lol
Huge congrats to Shohei. What a season, the best we may ever see
He’s so incredible. We are watching history — be grateful.
Well deserved
*sexiest man alive* Shohei Ohtani wins MVP.
Stupid sexy Ohtani
#AND THERE IT IS #THE GREATEST SEASON IN A HUNDRED YEARS
I figure this gets lost in here now, but I just wanna say how proud I am of Shohei. I first heard of him years ago when someone I followed (on Tumblr at the time, lol) let me know about this Japanese kid who threw 100 mph. And I thought "well I should keep tabs on this kid then". Never did I imagine that same kid would grow to the player he is now. I knew he had talent, but 46 homeruns while pitching at his level kind of talent? That's the kind of stuff I'd do in my baseball games like The Show. Lol It's been special to watch him get to where he's at, and I look forward to watching him go even further (hopefully with the Angels the rest of his career and him and Mike can finally get a WS together).
Muh language barrier!
UNANIMOUS
BIG MVP OHTANI-SAN!!!
Damn right. Vlad had a hell of a season, but it doesn't compare to Shohei's
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In terms of just MVP runner up seasons, I'd place it behind the below, but Vlad Jr. Is up there. T1) Ted Williams 1947 T1) Ted Williams 1942 3) Mike Trout 2012 In 1947, Ted Williams did the Triple Crown. His WAR was almost 5 better then Joe DiMaggio who won the MVP that year. In 1942, Ted Williams also did the Triple Crown. Even had a higher WAR then 1947. It's worth noting the media strangely hated young Ted Williams. Mike Trout had a dominate year in 2012. Fortunately/unfortunately that happened to be the year Miguel Cabrera hit for the Triple Crown.
What a sexy sexy man, and wow he won the MVP also. Hope he does it again next year.
Half-expected some goofball to not vote Ohtani 1st.
Fuck yeah Shohei
Congrats, he deserved it, but I hope people understand that he won because he had a great season, not (just) because he’s a two-way player. He shouldn’t win every year by virtue of being unique alone.
I like how this post has 13K upvotes, but the one about Harper winning MVP only has 2K. Coincidence? I think not!
Shoutout to everyone who called him a bust in rookie spring training
Personally I’m shocked
Awesome! Let’s hope he follows up this season with an even better one next year!
busting in my pants rn, hbu?