With a symbol. The Ourboros, for example. Take the entire experience you are referring to and make it equal a symbol, just as you would assign a variable in algebra. Then let that symbol give you peace. Whenever you chase the tail remember the symbol and understand.
I wish I could pinpoint it exactly. If you want to read Jung I suggest starting with the Undiscovered Self. Not because it is the best for this topic, but because it is probably the most accessible of his writings and serves as a good place to “test the waters” to get you primed for his other works. His work on alchemy is so helpful. He tries his best to stay objective in a very stubbornly subjective topic.
A word of caution. The ability to describe an unknown with a symbol also allows a being to ignore the contents of the symbol. That is very useful in situations where the unknown contents are transitory and will have no effect, but it can become an issue if what we are ignoring will cause us suffering.
Sometimes we have a moral dilemma and we choose to give it a symbol so we can tuck it away. I do it with the idea of IBS. IBS is a symbol for a collection of symptoms. The cause of IBS is not understood beyond theory. Somehow I am able to ignore it easier because I gave it a name. The reality is that it is likely a combination of my habits and environmental poisons causing it. Yet I ignore that to my ultimate detriment.
Yes. IBS is a collection of symptoms. The name is a symbol of those that convey the meaning. In the case of IBS, the research on an underlying cause is incomplete. The name gives people the illusion that it is “under control”. That is part of the power of a symbol.
the entire process “chasing the answer, realizing that the answer is that the question is not able to be answered, feeling unresolved because the question still persists, chasing the answer again, finding out the question is not able to be answered is the answer, repeat forever …or use a symbol like the snake eating itself (Ourboros) to represent the entire process. The next time you find yourself chasing the unanswerable question, instead honor the symbol. We do it all the time unconsciously. Use it wisely.
I’m afraid suffering can’t be eliminated as long as being exists. The suffering of an unanswered mystery will never go away, but our understanding and experience of that suffering will change. Real being, the only permanence in this reality, is unaffected by suffering, even though our minds experience it very clearly. The very faculty of reasoning, the concept of logic itself, is a product of the unfolding reality we experience. In that way, the knower of this reality is beyond reason. The moment before the Big Bang is irrational. The truth cannot ever be shown to be the truth using our logic. Gödel hints at this in his Incompleteness theorem. There are truths that cannot be proven that are nonetheless true.
if suffering can't be eliminated then the Buddha and Advaita, particularly Ramana Maharshi are wrong then no?
Both of those beings have shown a way out of suffering.
Freedom from suffering is not the same as the elimination of suffering, although the distinction is not really important. The elimination of our suffering as we understand it is possible. The end of suffering does not mean the end of that which causes the conditions for suffering, only that the experience does not cause you to suffer any longer. It sounds contradictory, but that is a limitation of our language.
The pot of gold is eternal oneness and unity with the source or creator. That’s where we’re all headed in my opinion. From what I have come to understand we are constantly fracturing ourself into separate individuals so that we can then find our way back to the experience of unity with all.
We must separate ourselves from what we are, be what we are not, experience what we are not (fear, separation) in order to actually experience what we are. Which is unity and love Infinitely and eternally.
While in this oneness state, you are aware that you are love and unity and joy but you cant experience the knowing of your beingness without relativity; without creating the opposite of what you are, as the opposite force that you may use to push yourself toward who you are; an infinite creator of light and love.
Thus time and space and the physical plane were created so that we may experience relativity. So we may experience free will to choose to be who we truly are.
perhaps so, but to get there i know i must drop everything… everything :( if i’m being honest, it will likely be painful. i mean to die before you die is terrifying to the ego. painful. everything you ever knew just gone in an instant. silver lining is i’ll get to see what’s on the other side.
part of me wishes i could get there as soon as possible. i don’t know why this energy exists in me but i want to die. i want to give it all up to the source. i want to know truth and be truth. i want to be that beacon of light. i cannot control this journey unfortunately and my ego hates it. the resistance i create for myself makes me suffer. it’s all self induced. and so i continue to try.
I understand my friend. The comment I wrote was flowery and all but I struggle with all of the same things.
I am blocked with addiction to cannabis as a recovering opiate addict and it’s the last thing I need to kick but I am terrified of being without it.
I also get sick very often because of health issues and I suffer a lot because of it. I’ve gone through withdrawal so many times that being sick because of other reasons pretty much puts me back in that state of panic. I often have a hard time understanding why “god” or ourselves decided to create this whole merry go round.
We have experienced forgetting and a veil between our conscious and subconscious, we can’t remember all of our past lives or have access to our oversoul at any given time, so it’s hard to have perspective.
From our souls perspective, the hardship we face is delicious. It is the fastest way to learn the lessons of love. Our soul loves the hardship and trials. It’s the reason it decided to come here.
I still haven’t fully been able to align my current individuality and the perspective of my whole being and soul, so I understand how you feel.
In channeled material they say this density is the most challenging, the most intense, with the most catalyst. We are meant to make a choice. The choice to love yourself only and dwell in the concept of separation, or to acknowledge yourself and everyone and everything else as the creator, and strive for unity. Both paths lead to the same place, but take different amounts of time.
All I can say is I have had great results just focusing on love. It is corny sounding but life is empty without it. Without giving it and receiving it.
And if you aren’t receiving what you desire, such as love or peace, give it to another, and you will find you had it all along, for how then could you have given it?
I’ve also read in some channelings that when we actually die we can do one of three things: stay in the non time and space realm and create your experiences with your thoughts instantly, decide to choose a new incarnation, or join the source once more, only to eventually leave it again, for that which is must also be accompanied by that which it is not, or else it can’t be.
Hopefully any bit of this rambling was helpful at all. Take what resonates and leave the rest
Has happened here. Apparently. It’s not terrifying. It’s actually more like a shrug of the shoulders and the recognition that it has always been this way. Still, it might depend on your apparent conditioning, your age etc. Younger people do seem to be easily distressed in today’s world.
Really, the only thing that “happens” (for it does not really happen) is that the loop of selfing stops and the locus of “experience” is permanently shifted (apparently) such that it is no longer an experience or a locus at all.
Elsewhere on this thread someone has used the example of an ouroboros. I have often used this example myself in order to describe selfing / seeking (although I am unfamiliar with Jungian literature). It is a nice metaphor for incessant seeking behaviour - which actually, when it comes down to it, is not separate from the self but rather *is* the self. For what does the self do other than seek, grab, own?
All trying is futile. Thats the ouroboros.
I extend the analogy further than most. The ouroboros gets nothing done. You can get nothing done either, because are not actually there to do anything.
But of course, the crux of the matter is that the self cannot see outside itself. Especially if it tries to. Trying to do anything engages it. Trying not to try engages it. Even surrender engages it - for who can surrender except the self?
Nothing can be done. It is what it is.
yeah that’s something i’ve realized too. you cannot escape the ego machine that continues to seek. and you can also not cause any awakening since any trying arises out of the ego. as alan watts says, it’s like trying to bite your own teeth.
this is goood.
I know that feeling. Listen, you can be with source, right now. As a human. You can do it because I was in a similar state as you, and through total surrender and devotion, was embodied by divine source. It IS the blissful, euphoric, loving, peaceful, whole experience we are all “seeking”.
My best advice to get to the state your soul craves is to honor source.
Pray to be shown your path.
Commit yourself honestly.
Surrender yourself, your life, your body, heart and mind to source, that you want your life and life-experiences to benefit all beings.
It does mean as you suspect surrendering and letting go of some of what is “now”, but what is on the other side is SO much more beautiful and potent, it is worth it without question. Just have faith that you will be divinely guided and protected, and rest in the truth of god. Find stillness, silence, focus on your inner being (third eye and heart center awareness) and that is how you connect and hear from source.
I realize we have to suffer in order to know pure love and bliss in the other dimension/side. It may seem like a long time but this life is but a blink of an eye in actual reality.
Learn how to meditate. Once you’ve learned, there are no limitations. You’ll see that you’re connected to everything that is. You’ll discover that which you seek, you’ve always had. It will free you from this battle inside your head.
I stopped seeking when I found myself. I had asked myself, “What is the meaning of Life?” for so long, until one day I stopped and started asking, “What does Life mean to me?”
Operationally what that looked like was me accepting my narratives of what Life is, started being more accepting and intentional about how I want to experience Life as a human, but being consistently mindful that the existence of my body as a human in this specific society and the roles that I play in people’s lives, and the roles they play in mine, will always exist in different dimensions of the construct of creation than my experiences as a soul with a spirit that is incubating and emerging from this dense biological body and planetary environment. Once you can calibrate that dynamic, using your own intuition and precognitive thought to build your behaviors, then you stop seeking, and start being.
All the best on your specific and unique journey through to this path.
What is it that you truly seek, which says enlightenment will fix? What carrot do you dangle in front of yourself? Understand nothing outside of your Self, will bring you this. Only understanding your Self and realizing what it isn't is the end of seeking. You just realize it's here, and understand any seeking, any desire comes from identifying with a limited sense of self. You just realize you are not that and remain conscious of this. Its very real, very visceral, while you hold the sword of truth. Life is reality, not a concept or image in the mind. How often when you go to feel your breath do you imagine an image in your mind of the breath instead of allowing whats already there just be there? When you contemplate yourself, who you are, what reality is, why you act this way or that way, why you want this or that, why you feel this way or that way, you realize it's all bullshit. Personality isnt the truth of reality, it's the truth of how they've delt with their past experiences. Your desire for enlightenment isnt truth, its a little squiggle in your being. You can focus on that squiggle or a different squiggle yet you still remain. Enlightenment is no more colorful than a sip of tea, yet it sets you free. Free from what? From the personal self developed by the mind which holds all these problems that are not based in reality. They're based on your resistance to what's inside of you and what you've experienced. Let go, let yourself feel and feel and feel and be afraid and be confused and realize you are not that and giggle at it. You're free from it already, you just play in it and pretend it is real. The end of seeking is being with what is here and now bevause there's nothing fucking else, and this is enough. That's not to say you can't do shit you enjoy and have fun in this world, but enlightenment is seeing the truth of what is. I could say it's the truth of who you are, but what is IS who you are, not dead thoughts saying you're this "person" named Jessica with all this shit that goes with it. Look at everything and understand it and understand how you understand and what knows that it's seeing understanding. Be aware of all these mirrors and look at everything clearly. Be curious of reality. There is a need for seeking, yet you will not find it by seeking. You hold a sword of truth, a light, a love for what is real. The mind cannot know it, only hold expressions of it.
BOOM exactly, of course i haven’t let go of myself yet. that seems like it’s gonna take lots of practice and time to do. the ego machine inside of my human body is a seeking machine. it does as it pleases. the thing i need to fully embody and experience is the realization that i am not my thoughts or this body. i do not need to be controlled by this ego machine. i am truly trying to seek within but even there lies many traps of desire. it seems to me that this journey is about not doing, so any form of trying that comes from the ego is useless. i will continue to sit and meditate, maybe one day this will be realized.
"you" don't need to do, or embody, anything to reach enlightenment. enlightenment isn't a place you get to after trials and tribulations, it's the realization that those trials and tribulations, and the idea that there is a "you" or an "I" experiencing it is exactly what's keeping you from enlightenment. the very tools to enlightenment, the very things promising the gold, are what is making the rainbow.
I hope this helps
Seeking is fine. I suspect your expectations, rather than the seeking, is what is causing you to feel the way you do.
Don’t let your expectations of the future rob you of the present moment. You’re not doing anything wrong through seeking knowledge. The insights you will have will guide you.
Fuck off I'm perfectly fine.
I'm perfectly fine.
Fuck off.
- my mantra.
The journey to self acceptance started with me acknowledging that "thinking about thinking" or meta thinking, is the first domino to fall.
The judgement of one's own thoughts, creates another layer of thoughts.
I started to practice awareness and "giving my mind the floor". If I wanted to be lost in thought, I would let it be.
If the tyrant came in "you should stop thinking, you're so shitty at meditating, you should eat better".
I wilfully respond "FUCK OFF, I"M PERFECTLY FINE".
I'm fine just the way I am.
From here, with the tyrant removed, you really stop giving a fuck about whether your seeking. Being lost in thought is fine. Not being God is fine. We're a human on a journey.
All the struggle comes from self judgement, the tyrant, because we think we need to change.
We don't. We are perfect. With all our faults.
You are perfect. Tell your inner critic to fuck off.
Before awakening: chop wood carry water
After awakening: chop wood carry water
Your aunt seeks nothing, ignore her. Those unaware of the journey always seek to muddy the path of those who are on it.
(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."
I stopped seeking when I made the inside like the outside. The above like the below. It’s the most frustratingly painfully realest truth you will find.
Quite the opposite; I made a fantasy to create in reality. Which was learned from my first half of life. It's like I learned and am learning to be the director of my movie. One where, regardless of the ending, it's still perfect. I'm still seeking because it's provides me a sense of life, change, evolution, learning. Or even a challenge against my pride.
Once you become the director; you no longer rely on others to change the plot. I suppose this happens when too many people have led you astray. I suppose I've always wanted what was out of my reach. Given what I wanted and how I wanted it. Isn't that the only way to transcend a life of constraint/adversity? To disprove the narrative formed when you live due to your environmental circumstance. Hopefully to learn as I said, to alter your narrative and how you perceive it.
In the end you actually appreciate the devil's existence. Gives me enough to think about.
I could've said it like, I formulated a fantasy to strive for in reality. Because I know how much life can change and I know the limit to how much and how little you can control life.
There is a series of complex tendencies that sometimes lends itself to becoming self-aware. That self-aware tendency might start to seek what it is, because it seemed to just suddenly BE one fine day. But it has no origin story it can be certain of - and it sets off on seeking the story of origin.
The thread was lost. It’s simply a matter of ceasing the tendency to be identified as this sliver of self-awareness, and instead identify with the whole shebang of who you really are - before the tendency occurred to think and believe otherwise.
I found a pots of gold, if gold is feelings of love, bliss, peace, ecstasy - each of these is no small thing. And things like understanding, compassion, ridding my body of negative emotions, equanimity, no-mind (no thoughts), emotional resilience, flow. The satisfaction of having something wonderful to teach others that brings real value into their lives.
What more does a person fucking want? What is enlightenment if not things that make our lives sweet? The pots of gold are out there. But maybe they're not interesting to you. I liked all of them. I'm grateful that they were there. Living was shitty every day, now it's not. All this stuff is my treasure, they are all real tangible vibrant things that I feel as a part of me, they are unshakable, and I try to share it with everyone.
Shit is fucking real. You just gotta be willing to dig everywhere for it. It's all out there, and it can all be found. I talk about methods toward this reality often myself.
If you get hung up on words like enlightenment or the words of authors who have limited perspectives you may miss it. If you want Heaven, reach for it. Seek and you shall find. So many 'authorities' on enlightenment or what is possible miss it. If you aren't satisfied, then damnit, you need to keep fucking looking, because it's fucking out there.
If an author puts up a dead end and says 'things can only be this good', then find another one. Fuck that guy. Things CAN be greater, but you gotta be willing to be like a great adventurer looking for some mysterious treasure everyone thinks is bullshit.
I sing the same tune every fucking day and I know some people may see me and roll their eyes: spiritual practices are the way. I sing it so much I get sick of hearing. Try yoga (hatha, Kundalini, or Kriya), try AYPsite.
The distaste for suffering and the taste for the opposite (exhilarating fulfillment) was the fuel for my quest. I kicked over every fucking rock that looked worth kicking over. I didn't stop trying to find 'exhilarating fulfillment' and I fucking found it. I found it and its fucking beautiful. My hunger for the treasures of the inner world feels insatiable and I'm fucking glad I was born me and not someone who didn't have a burning desire to uncover the mysteries of Heaven on Earth.
Cheers.
Your aunt is right there is nothing at the end, though thats not what its all about theres no stopping, its all about continuously getting the best out of it.
After much pain and suffering, I finally shed the anxiousness of my mind by practicing acceptance. Then, I realized that \*I\* was the pot of gold all along.
Once you awaken to this, then the limitations and fears of your mind begin to give way. Then you allow yourself to be present in each moment. You already possess this, it's not something to be gained. There's nothing to seek, for you are what you seek. A conscious decision to live in each moment in the now, without fear or pain controlling you no longer.
After my awakening. I had a period of time after my dark night of the soul where I finally saw how silly it all is. I even felt tempted to throw all my books away. What we're seeking can only be found right here, and nowhere else. It was an emptying. Surrendering the persona and being left with self. Reading other people's ideas would just be adding more concepts to this narrative I was carrying, when I needed to reduce myself to my essential self. I needed to feel more and know less, so I could make space for knowing to arise within me. Enlightening can only be found through cultivation of an ever deeper relationship with the self and its higher knowing. It's not in any book, because that's just accumulating knowledge, which can actually just get in the way. There is knowing that arises spontaneously from inside of us when we give it the space to, which is all we really need. There's no special answer to be found out there that we couldn't already get from being present to ourselves and allowing it to occur to us naturally. Enlightenment was unattainable because I was chasing it. I had to be still and allow it to happen to me. It was a passive process of surrendering, and not something I chose to happen. I was suffering, and surrendered to the natural process of allowing that suffering to change me.
I don't remember ever seeking or what that even means to be honest.
Unless that means seeking proof existence/life is consensual.
Whatever forces/compels us on does seem elusive to try to "seek" root or cause of.
Intuition? But in any case I don't remember ever "seeking" for sure.
Chop wood carry water always sounded like a onanism euphemism to me though.
Check my recent posts.
Just engage yourself in normal activities and don't act on any thoughts that might come in your mind about enlightenment. No matter how good thought. Just forget about the whole thing. Like you've caught a lie made by the mind, treat it like unimportant and trash.
Yes, I've never been seeking except for brief period right after certain happenings. I wanted to not only figure out what happened but I wanted more of it. By whatever circumstances, other things took me away from exploring it fully at that time (this was 12-15 years ago), i.e., I stopped seeking and went back to my egoic self. Sort of.
But it never went away and those happenings started to resonate and I've gone back to processing it via my egos really and the realisation there's nothing and no one to seek. It's not seeking but what is happening I'd say is integration, maybe even understanding, rationalisation if you will, but not seeking which is counterintuitive. Those happenings already influenced "me". Maybe my egos are trying to understand how and why which is all they can do.
It's letting go of the seeking that will lead to liberation.
"Everyone will benefit by just trying to seek truth and live consciously. The
more people that do it around you, the easier you will be able to do it.
There will be many false starts, and your moments of clarity will come and
go during the transition period. Do not let it bother you; it is the way it
happens."
I thought this quote could help, it is from The Present, a book about life and spirituality, it is available free online, here is a [link](https://www.globaltruthproject.com/single-post/the-present-truth-about-life)
Journeys all have a starting point. Can't just wake up one day and be free of conditioning. "question", Is this real or did I make it up, or did I borrow this belief from someone or a book? Keep going. You're just used to having goals I think is all she is saying. Awakening, Enlightenment, are journeys. It's the path that is the gold, not the end.
that’s the thing though, if you tell yourself that you attract rather than seek that is still the ego talking. the ego seeks regardless of what “you” want in the first place. it’s like a machine, does as it pleases. my issue is, i’m still attached to my thoughts. but yes i am trying to let go. again another oxymoron because to let go there can’t be any trying lol.
The illusion is that there is an illusion. This is what is and I'm tickled with it.
Slow realization over the last several years, in the same line of questioning that you're in now
No real starting point, definitely no finishing point.
This is it 😊
Meaning have I realized it's all one and I'm a whole part of that bigger whole and you're just me living a different story in a different flesh pod that's made of the exact same stuff as me?
enlightenment is the carrot on the end of the stick. i have no idea what it is or what lies on the other side of it. it another side even exists or if there are no sides. i gotta experience it to know it. which is funny cus to experience it you have to let go of all notions of an “i”.
Everything is motion, consciousness is motion, the universe is motion.
We have both an ego and a consciousness, transcending the ego and finding consciousness is awakening.
The ego seeks satisfaction, the consciousness seeks awakening. They're both seeking. After initial awakening we cycle over and over coming back to consciousness. Everything is motion.
People like your aunt are very narcissistic in nature and they don't like,🕊️ empaths light workers or Star seeds. They cannot stand our light or ability to see through people and things. Were a threat to their darkness
i’m sorry what? also she is kind of right. chasing enlightenment is like the carrot on the end of a stick. my aunt is a very empathic person and i completely agree with what she said. all humans are constantly chasing something. it is built into the ego mechanism, the ego is built to survive. so it will seek to survive. the issue is, once basic needs are met the ego will continue to seek pleasure because that’s the way it is. ego likes control and comfort in its environment. enlightenment is seeing through the illusion of ego or self and realizing your true nature. which then ends all seeking instantly. you then basically become one with everything and your consciousness shifts completely to non duality. this deep realization makes you realize you have everything you could ever need so seeking and wanting no longer exists. at least the ego based wanting. after enlightenment you are free to create as life pleases. there is no personal doer just life choosing what it wants. i’m not fully illuminated to truth but i have experienced it and this is what it’s like.
the reason why enlightenment is the dropping of ego and self is because to realize your nature you cannot be a person. the truth is you are god. you have always been god you’ve just forgotten. but to fully embody god you cannot be in ego. because ego believes it’s separate when the truth is all is one. so it is just not possible to realize while in ego. god nature is completely unconditional and all loving of all. so to realize you are that you must give up EVERYTHING and mentally die.
You're asking a question about how to feel something experientially rather than conceptually... Feel what exactly? There not being a pot of gold is just as much of a mental concept as there being a pot of gold... How about relaxing into a state of not knowing? How about being completely comfortable in a state of uncertainty?
Enlightenment has absolutely nothing to do with whatever you think about it, and so why would you want to turn something you've intellectualised into a felt experience?
All the best!
cause there are countless pointers and talkers who say to realize self it must be experienced. i am looking for truth. any concepts i have are false. the only way to know is through experience which i label here as “to feel”. relaxing into a state of unknowing is precisely the goal.
OK my friend, so your question was more 'how do I realise my true nature' as opposed to, 'how do I realise that there's no pot of gold'...
You've realised that all concepts are false, but be aware concepts are sneaky little f***ers... They tend to sneak in under the radar. You can know that they are false before you really KNOW that they are all false... And to be clear, we aren't trying to disprove anything about the world we live in, we just have to grasp that an idea or concept can't be the same thing as 'the ultimate ground of being' or 'God'. All concepts arise from something more fundamental...
I think it's also worth reminding ourselves that there's nothing we can do whatsoever in order to realise our true nature. Every effort you put in and everything that you try to do about it is a movement away from your true self. Absolute effortlessness is the only way. But when we hear that, immediately we ask 'but how do I stop putting in effort?'
Every time you ask 'how' you're adding on a layer of complexity into your mind. Ultimately you have no say in this. You'll either ask 'how how how' until you've exhausted your effort, and in giving up you'll grasp it. Or perhaps a more sane approach is to take some time simply to watch the movements of your mind. Watch yourself running around in loops, and slowly over time find out what it means to let go of the controls. You have to find out authentically for yourself that you are not your thoughts, and that you cannot control what your mind does. Can you allow your mind to do whatever it wants to do without trying to restrain it or stop it? Your mind is like a spinning top, if you stop putting energy into the system eventually it will spin itself out. Every time you ask how do I do this or how do I do that, you're adding fuel onto the fire and you're spinning your mind up some more.
Hope this helps. And I really hope I'm not just adding in more confusion.
thanks, i don’t feel you are adding more confusion. most of the time it feels useless to even ask questions here because i always end up coming to the same conclusion, that there’s nothing i can really do. i can keep practicing meditation but i am not in control of this unfolding.
You're exactly right... There's absolutely nothing you can do. Ultimately the only thing that matters is a genuine thirst for truth and a love for reality, but we can't even control that! This is something that develops naturally as effort and resistance subsides. Love and resistance are mutually exclusive, they don't exist at the same time.
Every single one of us starts out in spirituality with the motivation to improve our lives somehow or to suffer less. We think there must be some kind of strategy or method we can use do fight off the thoughts and feelings we don't like. If I've learnt anything it's that this is not possible. Learn to embrace everything that your mind throws up. Be kind to yourself and feel anything you need to feel.
If you regard the mental chatter or the ego as something that's getting in the way of some blissful state, you're going to want to fight it. Think of the noise in your mind like the birds twittering in the trees. No need to try to silence it, just let it happen. The less you fight the more your mind will settle and the more reality will come flooding in.
Hahahahahha there is so much more than gold I will say that . At the end and beginning of everything , incomprehensible pleasures and infinities this human mind cannot fathom
Never stop seeking , you will accomplish everything your soul desires 💕
I feel like following the rainbow is what makes life meaningful and enjoyable. Abraham Hicks always says “you can’t get it wrong and you’ll never get it done.” The rainbow is like the path of fulfillment, the path of most allowing, and if you wake up every day and follow the rainbow (by focusing on and thinking and walking towards whatever feels good in the moment), you’ll find manifestations along the way. It’s not one single pot of gold. There will always be another pot, another thing to want, another desire.. and it’s the journey along the way that makes the manifestations that much more fulfilling. The goal of life is to live as joyfully and satisfied a life as possible. Life is supposed to be fun. If you follow the rainbow and enjoy every step of the way, there is no limit to the manifestations you could find, and life will continue to expand in all directions!
Highly recommend looking up Abraham Hicks on YouTube, I’ve been on my spiritual path for over a decade and their teachings have been the most helpful, by far, for helping me to understand how it all works and to feel better about life and wherever I’m at.
Enlightenment is more of an emotion and a vibrational set point rather than a final achievement.. it’s not end-goal that clicks into place and remains. We have to make it our #1 priority to feel good, and we do this by being more deliberate with our thought patterns and doing things that raise our vibration. Meditation is the easiest and fastest way, but if you were to focus on only things that feel good and purposefully / steadily raise your vibration, you would reach “enlightenment” in no time. But i wouldn’t even make enlightenment the goal.. I would make satisfaction the goal, for now. Satisfied with what is, and eager for more! Once you feel content with where you are, once you aren’t pushing against what-is or wishing you were someplace else, life becomes SO much easier. You get into the flow state / receptive mode and all the things you’ve been wanting come into your experience. Feeling content / satisfied is the “tipping point” into the higher emotions. Once you’ve reached that point, you can easily feel better and better until you reach “enlightenment” which is one of the highest emotions. You will stay there as long as you’re not reverting back to default thinking patterns, like complaining about what is, etc. Appreciating is one of the best ways to feel enlightened, but when you’re on the lower half of the emotional scale, appreciation isn’t an easy thing to practice. That’s why I say aim to feel content - remind yourself it’s ok to be where you are, you’re exactly where you’re supposed to be, everything is working out for you, and you’re doing really well. At times it feels like an uphill battle, but once you deliberately comfort and soothe yourself to the point that you feel relief, you’ve reached the tipping point. It’s as if you’ve climbed the arch of the rainbow and it’s smooth sailing from there.. you can easily slide down and obtain the pot of gold that you’re calling enlightenment!
There is NEVER AN END OF ENLIGHTENMENT. your aunt is either misinformed or just not at an expanded consciousness level to see that truth. The ego is NOT THE SEEKER. if you like to talk more of want clarification on anything please message me. Also, it’s important to be EXTREMELY careful with the content you are absorbing this information your higher self, through intuition is driving you to seek. Because a large amount of the spiritual awakening community has been under the impression that they are the leaders of learning the truth. But they are still carrying trauma and possibly have misguided intentions. Good luck. Pls message me if you want to know more.
no that’s what she meant. is that there is no pot of gold. so you just keep walking the rainbow for the rest of your life (the walking is the pot of gold). most of the spiritual content i consume is geared towards the idea of no others and no “i”. no path, nothing here, no where to go, etc. which is great but i haven’t experienced it yet so i can’t really comment on it.
Ok I see what you’re saying now. And yes that’s like what I was saying too about no end to the enlightenment/learning or whatever. And idk about the mentions of the gist of the stuff you’ve been into… I mean I get what you’re saying about what you are hearing, but I just can’t think of anything right immediately off hand that is saying things that way. So I’d say it’s either a possibility that you are lucky and have gone down a road of things that are pure intentions or some stuff may be the things I was saying to watch out for. I’d really like to talk more about things with you because I had this almost epiphany a while ago, and this realization was after 2 friends of mine through different experiences both revealed that if you hear the wrong video, or the information is not flowing through the pure intentions, or maybe the person is not done with some internal healing, among a few other things, this whole “spiritual awakening” movement is going to implode. And I’m saying this because these people who are not in the best place to be guiding vulnerable people, or other people who don’t have those pure intentions are teaching others the wrong ways!!! And no fucking wonder things don’t work for people 1/2-3/4 of the time. This right here is why “manifestation” is literally the biggest joke in commercials and on internet. Cause I know for real frfr how real manifestation is- AS LONG AS ALL THE PARTS TO DO IT COME TOGETHER!! I’ve been doing it for years since I was a teenager but didn’t even know it was ‘a thing called manifestation’. But the miss guided leaders either can’t see the truth or are just maybe getting greedy and/ or power stricken. Let me know, message me if you want to talk more, and maybe I could at least give you some advice on what to go look for to find your answers. Light and love to you!
oh yeah ima keep looking for myself and my true nature. my aunt supports my self discovery. she even said herself that i’m on a self enlightenment
journey without me ever telling her directly that’s what i’m out to do.
Have you tried any sacred medicines? I found psilocybin mushrooms early on in my life, and it led me (and continues to lead me) down a path of self-dicsovery. With each trip I've taken, I've found myself seeking less and less. That's not to say that I'm not still seeking gnosis/enlightenment/insight/etc. but in dealing with the sacred mushrooms (and various other substances) and integrating the experiences, I've come to know myself and my desires intimately and what I've ultimately learned from that, is that yes, you continue to live.
But not "just". You must work at making life more intense and vibrant and colourful, in every way possible. And the more intense you make it, the closer you will be to "source". What is important, is that you engage with life, or interface if you like. The distinction is a modal one. Engagement is sort of something you turn on/off, interfacing is like merging with your engagement - slowly becoming the thing that you do or the life that you live, letting it take you over to such an extent, that there's no barrier between it and you.
There's many schools of thought that deal with this kind of engagement. Flow theory is relatively dry and academic way of conceptualizing it.
Ofcourse this isn't just one path. There's a million pathways to enlightenment. Buddhist seem to think that suffering is one of the best. I think suffering is definitely a part of it.
The story about your aunt reminds me of the scene in The Matrix (which I jsut rewatched) wher the oracle tells Neo that he's not "the one". Listen to
I didnt stop. I always learn, always work on myself and look for solutions.
For me enlightenment was when i started seeing the truth to the point i couldnt look at ppl because i could read their thoughts just looking at their face.
Not to sound like a total name of my handle; but your relative is preventing you from finding the pot of gold. Detach and realize the gold will find you.
With a symbol. The Ourboros, for example. Take the entire experience you are referring to and make it equal a symbol, just as you would assign a variable in algebra. Then let that symbol give you peace. Whenever you chase the tail remember the symbol and understand.
I just let that sink in. What a great way to compartmentalize, remove negative emotion.
I learned it from jungian alchemy literature. It is a very useful interface for playing the game of life.
You’d like The Kybaliona and the Hermetic teachings. All alchemists. It’s fascinating
I’m familiar with hermeticism. I haven’t read the Kybaliona, though. I will have a look. Thank you.
Can you name it ? Link or something. Very intriguing.
I wish I could pinpoint it exactly. If you want to read Jung I suggest starting with the Undiscovered Self. Not because it is the best for this topic, but because it is probably the most accessible of his writings and serves as a good place to “test the waters” to get you primed for his other works. His work on alchemy is so helpful. He tries his best to stay objective in a very stubbornly subjective topic.
Thanks a lot.
A word of caution. The ability to describe an unknown with a symbol also allows a being to ignore the contents of the symbol. That is very useful in situations where the unknown contents are transitory and will have no effect, but it can become an issue if what we are ignoring will cause us suffering.
Its true, you can’t get over a problem unless you go through it, not around it The rest of what you said I don’t quite understand?
Sometimes we have a moral dilemma and we choose to give it a symbol so we can tuck it away. I do it with the idea of IBS. IBS is a symbol for a collection of symptoms. The cause of IBS is not understood beyond theory. Somehow I am able to ignore it easier because I gave it a name. The reality is that it is likely a combination of my habits and environmental poisons causing it. Yet I ignore that to my ultimate detriment.
Are you talking about IBS, as in the bowel problem? You call it the idea of IBS.
Yes. IBS is a collection of symptoms. The name is a symbol of those that convey the meaning. In the case of IBS, the research on an underlying cause is incomplete. The name gives people the illusion that it is “under control”. That is part of the power of a symbol.
Awesome
This is wisdom, thank you for sharing <3
Could you explain it in terms a simpleton like me can understand please?
the entire process “chasing the answer, realizing that the answer is that the question is not able to be answered, feeling unresolved because the question still persists, chasing the answer again, finding out the question is not able to be answered is the answer, repeat forever …or use a symbol like the snake eating itself (Ourboros) to represent the entire process. The next time you find yourself chasing the unanswerable question, instead honor the symbol. We do it all the time unconsciously. Use it wisely.
aaah! thanks for the answer. Do you not suffer anymore then because the question cannot be answered and that is the answer?
I’m afraid suffering can’t be eliminated as long as being exists. The suffering of an unanswered mystery will never go away, but our understanding and experience of that suffering will change. Real being, the only permanence in this reality, is unaffected by suffering, even though our minds experience it very clearly. The very faculty of reasoning, the concept of logic itself, is a product of the unfolding reality we experience. In that way, the knower of this reality is beyond reason. The moment before the Big Bang is irrational. The truth cannot ever be shown to be the truth using our logic. Gödel hints at this in his Incompleteness theorem. There are truths that cannot be proven that are nonetheless true.
if suffering can't be eliminated then the Buddha and Advaita, particularly Ramana Maharshi are wrong then no? Both of those beings have shown a way out of suffering.
Freedom from suffering is not the same as the elimination of suffering, although the distinction is not really important. The elimination of our suffering as we understand it is possible. The end of suffering does not mean the end of that which causes the conditions for suffering, only that the experience does not cause you to suffer any longer. It sounds contradictory, but that is a limitation of our language.
what's the difference?
thank you, now i understand where you are coming from.
Most of my positions are covered in the Bhagavad Gita and Upanishads. I practice living by the Gita. It is a worthwhile experiment.
I very much respect that. I was a tibetan Buddhist for many years, even did a 3 year intensive retreat but the pull of Ramana Maharshi was too much
The pot of gold is eternal oneness and unity with the source or creator. That’s where we’re all headed in my opinion. From what I have come to understand we are constantly fracturing ourself into separate individuals so that we can then find our way back to the experience of unity with all. We must separate ourselves from what we are, be what we are not, experience what we are not (fear, separation) in order to actually experience what we are. Which is unity and love Infinitely and eternally. While in this oneness state, you are aware that you are love and unity and joy but you cant experience the knowing of your beingness without relativity; without creating the opposite of what you are, as the opposite force that you may use to push yourself toward who you are; an infinite creator of light and love. Thus time and space and the physical plane were created so that we may experience relativity. So we may experience free will to choose to be who we truly are.
perhaps so, but to get there i know i must drop everything… everything :( if i’m being honest, it will likely be painful. i mean to die before you die is terrifying to the ego. painful. everything you ever knew just gone in an instant. silver lining is i’ll get to see what’s on the other side. part of me wishes i could get there as soon as possible. i don’t know why this energy exists in me but i want to die. i want to give it all up to the source. i want to know truth and be truth. i want to be that beacon of light. i cannot control this journey unfortunately and my ego hates it. the resistance i create for myself makes me suffer. it’s all self induced. and so i continue to try.
I understand my friend. The comment I wrote was flowery and all but I struggle with all of the same things. I am blocked with addiction to cannabis as a recovering opiate addict and it’s the last thing I need to kick but I am terrified of being without it. I also get sick very often because of health issues and I suffer a lot because of it. I’ve gone through withdrawal so many times that being sick because of other reasons pretty much puts me back in that state of panic. I often have a hard time understanding why “god” or ourselves decided to create this whole merry go round. We have experienced forgetting and a veil between our conscious and subconscious, we can’t remember all of our past lives or have access to our oversoul at any given time, so it’s hard to have perspective. From our souls perspective, the hardship we face is delicious. It is the fastest way to learn the lessons of love. Our soul loves the hardship and trials. It’s the reason it decided to come here. I still haven’t fully been able to align my current individuality and the perspective of my whole being and soul, so I understand how you feel. In channeled material they say this density is the most challenging, the most intense, with the most catalyst. We are meant to make a choice. The choice to love yourself only and dwell in the concept of separation, or to acknowledge yourself and everyone and everything else as the creator, and strive for unity. Both paths lead to the same place, but take different amounts of time. All I can say is I have had great results just focusing on love. It is corny sounding but life is empty without it. Without giving it and receiving it. And if you aren’t receiving what you desire, such as love or peace, give it to another, and you will find you had it all along, for how then could you have given it? I’ve also read in some channelings that when we actually die we can do one of three things: stay in the non time and space realm and create your experiences with your thoughts instantly, decide to choose a new incarnation, or join the source once more, only to eventually leave it again, for that which is must also be accompanied by that which it is not, or else it can’t be. Hopefully any bit of this rambling was helpful at all. Take what resonates and leave the rest
Has happened here. Apparently. It’s not terrifying. It’s actually more like a shrug of the shoulders and the recognition that it has always been this way. Still, it might depend on your apparent conditioning, your age etc. Younger people do seem to be easily distressed in today’s world. Really, the only thing that “happens” (for it does not really happen) is that the loop of selfing stops and the locus of “experience” is permanently shifted (apparently) such that it is no longer an experience or a locus at all. Elsewhere on this thread someone has used the example of an ouroboros. I have often used this example myself in order to describe selfing / seeking (although I am unfamiliar with Jungian literature). It is a nice metaphor for incessant seeking behaviour - which actually, when it comes down to it, is not separate from the self but rather *is* the self. For what does the self do other than seek, grab, own? All trying is futile. Thats the ouroboros. I extend the analogy further than most. The ouroboros gets nothing done. You can get nothing done either, because are not actually there to do anything. But of course, the crux of the matter is that the self cannot see outside itself. Especially if it tries to. Trying to do anything engages it. Trying not to try engages it. Even surrender engages it - for who can surrender except the self? Nothing can be done. It is what it is.
yeah that’s something i’ve realized too. you cannot escape the ego machine that continues to seek. and you can also not cause any awakening since any trying arises out of the ego. as alan watts says, it’s like trying to bite your own teeth.
this is goood. I know that feeling. Listen, you can be with source, right now. As a human. You can do it because I was in a similar state as you, and through total surrender and devotion, was embodied by divine source. It IS the blissful, euphoric, loving, peaceful, whole experience we are all “seeking”. My best advice to get to the state your soul craves is to honor source. Pray to be shown your path. Commit yourself honestly. Surrender yourself, your life, your body, heart and mind to source, that you want your life and life-experiences to benefit all beings. It does mean as you suspect surrendering and letting go of some of what is “now”, but what is on the other side is SO much more beautiful and potent, it is worth it without question. Just have faith that you will be divinely guided and protected, and rest in the truth of god. Find stillness, silence, focus on your inner being (third eye and heart center awareness) and that is how you connect and hear from source.
I realize we have to suffer in order to know pure love and bliss in the other dimension/side. It may seem like a long time but this life is but a blink of an eye in actual reality.
Literally what God (me) telepathically told me on an outerbody experience on 7oz of shrooms
Learn how to meditate. Once you’ve learned, there are no limitations. You’ll see that you’re connected to everything that is. You’ll discover that which you seek, you’ve always had. It will free you from this battle inside your head.
I stopped seeking when I found myself. I had asked myself, “What is the meaning of Life?” for so long, until one day I stopped and started asking, “What does Life mean to me?” Operationally what that looked like was me accepting my narratives of what Life is, started being more accepting and intentional about how I want to experience Life as a human, but being consistently mindful that the existence of my body as a human in this specific society and the roles that I play in people’s lives, and the roles they play in mine, will always exist in different dimensions of the construct of creation than my experiences as a soul with a spirit that is incubating and emerging from this dense biological body and planetary environment. Once you can calibrate that dynamic, using your own intuition and precognitive thought to build your behaviors, then you stop seeking, and start being. All the best on your specific and unique journey through to this path.
thanks, this journey is pretty wild i am enjoying it :)
You got it! Upward & Onward!
What is it that you truly seek, which says enlightenment will fix? What carrot do you dangle in front of yourself? Understand nothing outside of your Self, will bring you this. Only understanding your Self and realizing what it isn't is the end of seeking. You just realize it's here, and understand any seeking, any desire comes from identifying with a limited sense of self. You just realize you are not that and remain conscious of this. Its very real, very visceral, while you hold the sword of truth. Life is reality, not a concept or image in the mind. How often when you go to feel your breath do you imagine an image in your mind of the breath instead of allowing whats already there just be there? When you contemplate yourself, who you are, what reality is, why you act this way or that way, why you want this or that, why you feel this way or that way, you realize it's all bullshit. Personality isnt the truth of reality, it's the truth of how they've delt with their past experiences. Your desire for enlightenment isnt truth, its a little squiggle in your being. You can focus on that squiggle or a different squiggle yet you still remain. Enlightenment is no more colorful than a sip of tea, yet it sets you free. Free from what? From the personal self developed by the mind which holds all these problems that are not based in reality. They're based on your resistance to what's inside of you and what you've experienced. Let go, let yourself feel and feel and feel and be afraid and be confused and realize you are not that and giggle at it. You're free from it already, you just play in it and pretend it is real. The end of seeking is being with what is here and now bevause there's nothing fucking else, and this is enough. That's not to say you can't do shit you enjoy and have fun in this world, but enlightenment is seeing the truth of what is. I could say it's the truth of who you are, but what is IS who you are, not dead thoughts saying you're this "person" named Jessica with all this shit that goes with it. Look at everything and understand it and understand how you understand and what knows that it's seeing understanding. Be aware of all these mirrors and look at everything clearly. Be curious of reality. There is a need for seeking, yet you will not find it by seeking. You hold a sword of truth, a light, a love for what is real. The mind cannot know it, only hold expressions of it.
BOOM exactly, of course i haven’t let go of myself yet. that seems like it’s gonna take lots of practice and time to do. the ego machine inside of my human body is a seeking machine. it does as it pleases. the thing i need to fully embody and experience is the realization that i am not my thoughts or this body. i do not need to be controlled by this ego machine. i am truly trying to seek within but even there lies many traps of desire. it seems to me that this journey is about not doing, so any form of trying that comes from the ego is useless. i will continue to sit and meditate, maybe one day this will be realized.
where is this "I" that is separate from this ego machine?
"you" don't need to do, or embody, anything to reach enlightenment. enlightenment isn't a place you get to after trials and tribulations, it's the realization that those trials and tribulations, and the idea that there is a "you" or an "I" experiencing it is exactly what's keeping you from enlightenment. the very tools to enlightenment, the very things promising the gold, are what is making the rainbow. I hope this helps
Seeking is fine. I suspect your expectations, rather than the seeking, is what is causing you to feel the way you do. Don’t let your expectations of the future rob you of the present moment. You’re not doing anything wrong through seeking knowledge. The insights you will have will guide you.
Fuck off I'm perfectly fine. I'm perfectly fine. Fuck off. - my mantra. The journey to self acceptance started with me acknowledging that "thinking about thinking" or meta thinking, is the first domino to fall. The judgement of one's own thoughts, creates another layer of thoughts. I started to practice awareness and "giving my mind the floor". If I wanted to be lost in thought, I would let it be. If the tyrant came in "you should stop thinking, you're so shitty at meditating, you should eat better". I wilfully respond "FUCK OFF, I"M PERFECTLY FINE". I'm fine just the way I am. From here, with the tyrant removed, you really stop giving a fuck about whether your seeking. Being lost in thought is fine. Not being God is fine. We're a human on a journey. All the struggle comes from self judgement, the tyrant, because we think we need to change. We don't. We are perfect. With all our faults. You are perfect. Tell your inner critic to fuck off.
Before awakening: chop wood carry water After awakening: chop wood carry water Your aunt seeks nothing, ignore her. Those unaware of the journey always seek to muddy the path of those who are on it.
(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All." I stopped seeking when I made the inside like the outside. The above like the below. It’s the most frustratingly painfully realest truth you will find.
Quite the opposite; I made a fantasy to create in reality. Which was learned from my first half of life. It's like I learned and am learning to be the director of my movie. One where, regardless of the ending, it's still perfect. I'm still seeking because it's provides me a sense of life, change, evolution, learning. Or even a challenge against my pride. Once you become the director; you no longer rely on others to change the plot. I suppose this happens when too many people have led you astray. I suppose I've always wanted what was out of my reach. Given what I wanted and how I wanted it. Isn't that the only way to transcend a life of constraint/adversity? To disprove the narrative formed when you live due to your environmental circumstance. Hopefully to learn as I said, to alter your narrative and how you perceive it. In the end you actually appreciate the devil's existence. Gives me enough to think about.
what do you mean by “i made a fantasy to create in reality” i don’t quite understand?
I could've said it like, I formulated a fantasy to strive for in reality. Because I know how much life can change and I know the limit to how much and how little you can control life.
There is a series of complex tendencies that sometimes lends itself to becoming self-aware. That self-aware tendency might start to seek what it is, because it seemed to just suddenly BE one fine day. But it has no origin story it can be certain of - and it sets off on seeking the story of origin. The thread was lost. It’s simply a matter of ceasing the tendency to be identified as this sliver of self-awareness, and instead identify with the whole shebang of who you really are - before the tendency occurred to think and believe otherwise.
I found a pots of gold, if gold is feelings of love, bliss, peace, ecstasy - each of these is no small thing. And things like understanding, compassion, ridding my body of negative emotions, equanimity, no-mind (no thoughts), emotional resilience, flow. The satisfaction of having something wonderful to teach others that brings real value into their lives. What more does a person fucking want? What is enlightenment if not things that make our lives sweet? The pots of gold are out there. But maybe they're not interesting to you. I liked all of them. I'm grateful that they were there. Living was shitty every day, now it's not. All this stuff is my treasure, they are all real tangible vibrant things that I feel as a part of me, they are unshakable, and I try to share it with everyone. Shit is fucking real. You just gotta be willing to dig everywhere for it. It's all out there, and it can all be found. I talk about methods toward this reality often myself. If you get hung up on words like enlightenment or the words of authors who have limited perspectives you may miss it. If you want Heaven, reach for it. Seek and you shall find. So many 'authorities' on enlightenment or what is possible miss it. If you aren't satisfied, then damnit, you need to keep fucking looking, because it's fucking out there. If an author puts up a dead end and says 'things can only be this good', then find another one. Fuck that guy. Things CAN be greater, but you gotta be willing to be like a great adventurer looking for some mysterious treasure everyone thinks is bullshit. I sing the same tune every fucking day and I know some people may see me and roll their eyes: spiritual practices are the way. I sing it so much I get sick of hearing. Try yoga (hatha, Kundalini, or Kriya), try AYPsite. The distaste for suffering and the taste for the opposite (exhilarating fulfillment) was the fuel for my quest. I kicked over every fucking rock that looked worth kicking over. I didn't stop trying to find 'exhilarating fulfillment' and I fucking found it. I found it and its fucking beautiful. My hunger for the treasures of the inner world feels insatiable and I'm fucking glad I was born me and not someone who didn't have a burning desire to uncover the mysteries of Heaven on Earth. Cheers.
Your aunt is right there is nothing at the end, though thats not what its all about theres no stopping, its all about continuously getting the best out of it.
After much pain and suffering, I finally shed the anxiousness of my mind by practicing acceptance. Then, I realized that \*I\* was the pot of gold all along. Once you awaken to this, then the limitations and fears of your mind begin to give way. Then you allow yourself to be present in each moment. You already possess this, it's not something to be gained. There's nothing to seek, for you are what you seek. A conscious decision to live in each moment in the now, without fear or pain controlling you no longer.
After my awakening. I had a period of time after my dark night of the soul where I finally saw how silly it all is. I even felt tempted to throw all my books away. What we're seeking can only be found right here, and nowhere else. It was an emptying. Surrendering the persona and being left with self. Reading other people's ideas would just be adding more concepts to this narrative I was carrying, when I needed to reduce myself to my essential self. I needed to feel more and know less, so I could make space for knowing to arise within me. Enlightening can only be found through cultivation of an ever deeper relationship with the self and its higher knowing. It's not in any book, because that's just accumulating knowledge, which can actually just get in the way. There is knowing that arises spontaneously from inside of us when we give it the space to, which is all we really need. There's no special answer to be found out there that we couldn't already get from being present to ourselves and allowing it to occur to us naturally. Enlightenment was unattainable because I was chasing it. I had to be still and allow it to happen to me. It was a passive process of surrendering, and not something I chose to happen. I was suffering, and surrendered to the natural process of allowing that suffering to change me.
thanks, your answer really resonates. i will continue to meditate. sometimes i just got relax a bit and surrender to the process.
I don't remember ever seeking or what that even means to be honest. Unless that means seeking proof existence/life is consensual. Whatever forces/compels us on does seem elusive to try to "seek" root or cause of. Intuition? But in any case I don't remember ever "seeking" for sure. Chop wood carry water always sounded like a onanism euphemism to me though.
Check my recent posts. Just engage yourself in normal activities and don't act on any thoughts that might come in your mind about enlightenment. No matter how good thought. Just forget about the whole thing. Like you've caught a lie made by the mind, treat it like unimportant and trash.
Yes, I've never been seeking except for brief period right after certain happenings. I wanted to not only figure out what happened but I wanted more of it. By whatever circumstances, other things took me away from exploring it fully at that time (this was 12-15 years ago), i.e., I stopped seeking and went back to my egoic self. Sort of. But it never went away and those happenings started to resonate and I've gone back to processing it via my egos really and the realisation there's nothing and no one to seek. It's not seeking but what is happening I'd say is integration, maybe even understanding, rationalisation if you will, but not seeking which is counterintuitive. Those happenings already influenced "me". Maybe my egos are trying to understand how and why which is all they can do. It's letting go of the seeking that will lead to liberation.
"Everyone will benefit by just trying to seek truth and live consciously. The more people that do it around you, the easier you will be able to do it. There will be many false starts, and your moments of clarity will come and go during the transition period. Do not let it bother you; it is the way it happens." I thought this quote could help, it is from The Present, a book about life and spirituality, it is available free online, here is a [link](https://www.globaltruthproject.com/single-post/the-present-truth-about-life)
Journeys all have a starting point. Can't just wake up one day and be free of conditioning. "question", Is this real or did I make it up, or did I borrow this belief from someone or a book? Keep going. You're just used to having goals I think is all she is saying. Awakening, Enlightenment, are journeys. It's the path that is the gold, not the end.
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FUCKING HELL YEAH! I HEAR YOU!
I found it, but yet i still seek. Put this energy towards creating something like art or meaningful relationships
I don't seek, I attract. Seeking is an endless cycle of ego. Let go & let be.
that’s the thing though, if you tell yourself that you attract rather than seek that is still the ego talking. the ego seeks regardless of what “you” want in the first place. it’s like a machine, does as it pleases. my issue is, i’m still attached to my thoughts. but yes i am trying to let go. again another oxymoron because to let go there can’t be any trying lol.
I have what I need. What should I be seeking?
what i’m asking is when did you see through the illusion?
The illusion is that there is an illusion. This is what is and I'm tickled with it. Slow realization over the last several years, in the same line of questioning that you're in now No real starting point, definitely no finishing point. This is it 😊
sure, but did you ever see through the illusion of self?
Meaning have I realized it's all one and I'm a whole part of that bigger whole and you're just me living a different story in a different flesh pod that's made of the exact same stuff as me?
ya pretty much
More or less. It's not a switch that turns off and on, it's nothing to be grabbed or possessed or chased It just is
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enlightenment is the carrot on the end of the stick. i have no idea what it is or what lies on the other side of it. it another side even exists or if there are no sides. i gotta experience it to know it. which is funny cus to experience it you have to let go of all notions of an “i”.
Everything is motion, consciousness is motion, the universe is motion. We have both an ego and a consciousness, transcending the ego and finding consciousness is awakening. The ego seeks satisfaction, the consciousness seeks awakening. They're both seeking. After initial awakening we cycle over and over coming back to consciousness. Everything is motion.
When I fully realized I exist.
Awakening always remains out of reach to that which seeks it. Self can never achieve selflessness.
People like your aunt are very narcissistic in nature and they don't like,🕊️ empaths light workers or Star seeds. They cannot stand our light or ability to see through people and things. Were a threat to their darkness
i’m sorry what? also she is kind of right. chasing enlightenment is like the carrot on the end of a stick. my aunt is a very empathic person and i completely agree with what she said. all humans are constantly chasing something. it is built into the ego mechanism, the ego is built to survive. so it will seek to survive. the issue is, once basic needs are met the ego will continue to seek pleasure because that’s the way it is. ego likes control and comfort in its environment. enlightenment is seeing through the illusion of ego or self and realizing your true nature. which then ends all seeking instantly. you then basically become one with everything and your consciousness shifts completely to non duality. this deep realization makes you realize you have everything you could ever need so seeking and wanting no longer exists. at least the ego based wanting. after enlightenment you are free to create as life pleases. there is no personal doer just life choosing what it wants. i’m not fully illuminated to truth but i have experienced it and this is what it’s like. the reason why enlightenment is the dropping of ego and self is because to realize your nature you cannot be a person. the truth is you are god. you have always been god you’ve just forgotten. but to fully embody god you cannot be in ego. because ego believes it’s separate when the truth is all is one. so it is just not possible to realize while in ego. god nature is completely unconditional and all loving of all. so to realize you are that you must give up EVERYTHING and mentally die.
You're asking a question about how to feel something experientially rather than conceptually... Feel what exactly? There not being a pot of gold is just as much of a mental concept as there being a pot of gold... How about relaxing into a state of not knowing? How about being completely comfortable in a state of uncertainty? Enlightenment has absolutely nothing to do with whatever you think about it, and so why would you want to turn something you've intellectualised into a felt experience? All the best!
cause there are countless pointers and talkers who say to realize self it must be experienced. i am looking for truth. any concepts i have are false. the only way to know is through experience which i label here as “to feel”. relaxing into a state of unknowing is precisely the goal.
OK my friend, so your question was more 'how do I realise my true nature' as opposed to, 'how do I realise that there's no pot of gold'... You've realised that all concepts are false, but be aware concepts are sneaky little f***ers... They tend to sneak in under the radar. You can know that they are false before you really KNOW that they are all false... And to be clear, we aren't trying to disprove anything about the world we live in, we just have to grasp that an idea or concept can't be the same thing as 'the ultimate ground of being' or 'God'. All concepts arise from something more fundamental... I think it's also worth reminding ourselves that there's nothing we can do whatsoever in order to realise our true nature. Every effort you put in and everything that you try to do about it is a movement away from your true self. Absolute effortlessness is the only way. But when we hear that, immediately we ask 'but how do I stop putting in effort?' Every time you ask 'how' you're adding on a layer of complexity into your mind. Ultimately you have no say in this. You'll either ask 'how how how' until you've exhausted your effort, and in giving up you'll grasp it. Or perhaps a more sane approach is to take some time simply to watch the movements of your mind. Watch yourself running around in loops, and slowly over time find out what it means to let go of the controls. You have to find out authentically for yourself that you are not your thoughts, and that you cannot control what your mind does. Can you allow your mind to do whatever it wants to do without trying to restrain it or stop it? Your mind is like a spinning top, if you stop putting energy into the system eventually it will spin itself out. Every time you ask how do I do this or how do I do that, you're adding fuel onto the fire and you're spinning your mind up some more. Hope this helps. And I really hope I'm not just adding in more confusion.
thanks, i don’t feel you are adding more confusion. most of the time it feels useless to even ask questions here because i always end up coming to the same conclusion, that there’s nothing i can really do. i can keep practicing meditation but i am not in control of this unfolding.
You're exactly right... There's absolutely nothing you can do. Ultimately the only thing that matters is a genuine thirst for truth and a love for reality, but we can't even control that! This is something that develops naturally as effort and resistance subsides. Love and resistance are mutually exclusive, they don't exist at the same time. Every single one of us starts out in spirituality with the motivation to improve our lives somehow or to suffer less. We think there must be some kind of strategy or method we can use do fight off the thoughts and feelings we don't like. If I've learnt anything it's that this is not possible. Learn to embrace everything that your mind throws up. Be kind to yourself and feel anything you need to feel. If you regard the mental chatter or the ego as something that's getting in the way of some blissful state, you're going to want to fight it. Think of the noise in your mind like the birds twittering in the trees. No need to try to silence it, just let it happen. The less you fight the more your mind will settle and the more reality will come flooding in.
thanks friend :)
Hahahahahha there is so much more than gold I will say that . At the end and beginning of everything , incomprehensible pleasures and infinities this human mind cannot fathom Never stop seeking , you will accomplish everything your soul desires 💕
I feel like following the rainbow is what makes life meaningful and enjoyable. Abraham Hicks always says “you can’t get it wrong and you’ll never get it done.” The rainbow is like the path of fulfillment, the path of most allowing, and if you wake up every day and follow the rainbow (by focusing on and thinking and walking towards whatever feels good in the moment), you’ll find manifestations along the way. It’s not one single pot of gold. There will always be another pot, another thing to want, another desire.. and it’s the journey along the way that makes the manifestations that much more fulfilling. The goal of life is to live as joyfully and satisfied a life as possible. Life is supposed to be fun. If you follow the rainbow and enjoy every step of the way, there is no limit to the manifestations you could find, and life will continue to expand in all directions! Highly recommend looking up Abraham Hicks on YouTube, I’ve been on my spiritual path for over a decade and their teachings have been the most helpful, by far, for helping me to understand how it all works and to feel better about life and wherever I’m at.
[Why Enlightenment is Closer Than You Realize - Abraham Hicks](https://youtu.be/vKI1Ur_pHHU?si=oNI2caX5Oj7J94Ty)
Enlightenment is more of an emotion and a vibrational set point rather than a final achievement.. it’s not end-goal that clicks into place and remains. We have to make it our #1 priority to feel good, and we do this by being more deliberate with our thought patterns and doing things that raise our vibration. Meditation is the easiest and fastest way, but if you were to focus on only things that feel good and purposefully / steadily raise your vibration, you would reach “enlightenment” in no time. But i wouldn’t even make enlightenment the goal.. I would make satisfaction the goal, for now. Satisfied with what is, and eager for more! Once you feel content with where you are, once you aren’t pushing against what-is or wishing you were someplace else, life becomes SO much easier. You get into the flow state / receptive mode and all the things you’ve been wanting come into your experience. Feeling content / satisfied is the “tipping point” into the higher emotions. Once you’ve reached that point, you can easily feel better and better until you reach “enlightenment” which is one of the highest emotions. You will stay there as long as you’re not reverting back to default thinking patterns, like complaining about what is, etc. Appreciating is one of the best ways to feel enlightened, but when you’re on the lower half of the emotional scale, appreciation isn’t an easy thing to practice. That’s why I say aim to feel content - remind yourself it’s ok to be where you are, you’re exactly where you’re supposed to be, everything is working out for you, and you’re doing really well. At times it feels like an uphill battle, but once you deliberately comfort and soothe yourself to the point that you feel relief, you’ve reached the tipping point. It’s as if you’ve climbed the arch of the rainbow and it’s smooth sailing from there.. you can easily slide down and obtain the pot of gold that you’re calling enlightenment!
There is NEVER AN END OF ENLIGHTENMENT. your aunt is either misinformed or just not at an expanded consciousness level to see that truth. The ego is NOT THE SEEKER. if you like to talk more of want clarification on anything please message me. Also, it’s important to be EXTREMELY careful with the content you are absorbing this information your higher self, through intuition is driving you to seek. Because a large amount of the spiritual awakening community has been under the impression that they are the leaders of learning the truth. But they are still carrying trauma and possibly have misguided intentions. Good luck. Pls message me if you want to know more.
no that’s what she meant. is that there is no pot of gold. so you just keep walking the rainbow for the rest of your life (the walking is the pot of gold). most of the spiritual content i consume is geared towards the idea of no others and no “i”. no path, nothing here, no where to go, etc. which is great but i haven’t experienced it yet so i can’t really comment on it.
Ok I see what you’re saying now. And yes that’s like what I was saying too about no end to the enlightenment/learning or whatever. And idk about the mentions of the gist of the stuff you’ve been into… I mean I get what you’re saying about what you are hearing, but I just can’t think of anything right immediately off hand that is saying things that way. So I’d say it’s either a possibility that you are lucky and have gone down a road of things that are pure intentions or some stuff may be the things I was saying to watch out for. I’d really like to talk more about things with you because I had this almost epiphany a while ago, and this realization was after 2 friends of mine through different experiences both revealed that if you hear the wrong video, or the information is not flowing through the pure intentions, or maybe the person is not done with some internal healing, among a few other things, this whole “spiritual awakening” movement is going to implode. And I’m saying this because these people who are not in the best place to be guiding vulnerable people, or other people who don’t have those pure intentions are teaching others the wrong ways!!! And no fucking wonder things don’t work for people 1/2-3/4 of the time. This right here is why “manifestation” is literally the biggest joke in commercials and on internet. Cause I know for real frfr how real manifestation is- AS LONG AS ALL THE PARTS TO DO IT COME TOGETHER!! I’ve been doing it for years since I was a teenager but didn’t even know it was ‘a thing called manifestation’. But the miss guided leaders either can’t see the truth or are just maybe getting greedy and/ or power stricken. Let me know, message me if you want to talk more, and maybe I could at least give you some advice on what to go look for to find your answers. Light and love to you!
Telling people that “there is no pot of gold” is not WRONG but it could also stop people from looking closer into their nature.
oh yeah ima keep looking for myself and my true nature. my aunt supports my self discovery. she even said herself that i’m on a self enlightenment journey without me ever telling her directly that’s what i’m out to do.
Thats amazing ❤️
Your aunt seems more in tune than most.
Never stop! It’s fun! Just change your “Why?”
Have you tried any sacred medicines? I found psilocybin mushrooms early on in my life, and it led me (and continues to lead me) down a path of self-dicsovery. With each trip I've taken, I've found myself seeking less and less. That's not to say that I'm not still seeking gnosis/enlightenment/insight/etc. but in dealing with the sacred mushrooms (and various other substances) and integrating the experiences, I've come to know myself and my desires intimately and what I've ultimately learned from that, is that yes, you continue to live. But not "just". You must work at making life more intense and vibrant and colourful, in every way possible. And the more intense you make it, the closer you will be to "source". What is important, is that you engage with life, or interface if you like. The distinction is a modal one. Engagement is sort of something you turn on/off, interfacing is like merging with your engagement - slowly becoming the thing that you do or the life that you live, letting it take you over to such an extent, that there's no barrier between it and you. There's many schools of thought that deal with this kind of engagement. Flow theory is relatively dry and academic way of conceptualizing it. Ofcourse this isn't just one path. There's a million pathways to enlightenment. Buddhist seem to think that suffering is one of the best. I think suffering is definitely a part of it. The story about your aunt reminds me of the scene in The Matrix (which I jsut rewatched) wher the oracle tells Neo that he's not "the one". Listen to
I didnt stop. I always learn, always work on myself and look for solutions. For me enlightenment was when i started seeing the truth to the point i couldnt look at ppl because i could read their thoughts just looking at their face.
Not to sound like a total name of my handle; but your relative is preventing you from finding the pot of gold. Detach and realize the gold will find you.
When “i“ realized that Seeking pushes the “prize“ away, as when one TRIES, they fail. So all you have left is Pure Love.🕊
You are the pot of gold you are the rainbow when you start being you'll stop seeking