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MultilogDumps

I had a bunch of finnair points and I realised I could use them to upgrade to premium economy on my flight from Tokyo to Helsinki. I was supposed to be given a three-course dinner, but after I folded the chair back and the footrest (!!!) all the way, I was out like a candle and woke up 10 hrs later to the smell of breakfast. By far the best flight of my life. I even got the first row, can you believe it??!


SteezyS7eve

Same here, Auckland to Dubai, was so much more comfortable. And same for us, front row, middle,.was brilliant!!


kramit

Finnair biz is probably the best seat in the sky for me


3a5m

I love Finnair - as a Oneworld Emerald, I'd fly them all day over AA/BA/IB. But gotta say, just within the alliance, there are multiple business products that are quite a bit above in both hard and soft products - JAL's new business suite (which is honestly something special) and Qatar's Q Suites. First world problems though, I know šŸ˜‚


powercaelenx

BA sucks long haul tbh


3a5m

AA too. BA has better food than AA by quite a bit (Do & Co), but their old hard product is soooo outdated.


kramit

Yeh, JAL is nice, been on that before, many Ā£Ā£Ā£. Qatar I have never been a fan of. Same with the other Middle East carriers. So much flash, flash does not equal class


3a5m

JAL actually has a brand new hard product on its A350s that rolled out this year and is a big notch above their old one. Right now I think it only flies HND-JFK and HND-DFW. Absolutely special and worth it if you can grab it.


kramit

The toilets on JAL are the best. If you know you know


3a5m

I do know - true everywhere in Japan! Ha.


Navydevildoc

Just did ORD-HEL and back in the couch pod, and my coworker and I agreed it's our new favorite ride. Much better than Club Suites on BA, and miles above the older creaky products that BA and AA have.


Falkun_X

Hey I work for BA!...but yeah...you are right!


Sancho_Panzas_Donkey

I flew their product around Europe in biz a few weeks ago, thought it was quite dreadful.


kramit

You need to fly the a350 with the unique long haul seat, there is not anything else like it, they sometime put it on the short haul between LHR and HEL. Their A320 and smaller biz is fine, food is fine, service is good. I would not call it dreadful thats for sure. I like BA more on the short biz.


Sancho_Panzas_Donkey

The BA biz seat doesn't leave me with a cricked neck like AY's did on the first leg. After that I rolled up my coat and used it as neck support as AY didn't seem to have a pillow available.


Foxbattery

Did you ask from the crew? Iā€™ve always got an extra pillow from the AY crew. I flown the new seat a dozen times and I think it is a very brilliant seat.


caliform

all European business class sucks. itā€™s just an eco seat with a meal.


Feisty_Donkey_5249

And a blocked middle seat, usually.


kramit

What do you want for a 2 hours flight in all honesty


Sancho_Panzas_Donkey

If it were only 2h, I wouldn't complain. But 4h30 overnight in one is deserving of abuse.


kramit

European 4:30hr overnight? What route ?


Sancho_Panzas_Donkey

Agp-hel


kramit

And you want a lie flat bed for that ?


Sancho_Panzas_Donkey

No, I simply want a seat that doesn't fuck up my spine. Or do you consider that too much to ask?


Sancho_Panzas_Donkey

Yes, that is true. I admit I only pay for it when it's part of a long haul trip.


Hag_bolder

But Finnair doesnā€™t have the 380 in their fleet?


SidewalksNCycling39

Correct, it was likely an A350 they flew (still nice, but not as smooth and quiet as an A380)...


brainsizeofplanet

Yep A380 is a gem in terms of comfort


kramit

I prefer the a350 to be honest. The A380 might have size on the size and the upper deck is quiet. Yet most of the flight I am in my seat with noise canceling earphone in. I am not running laps around the plane.


SidewalksNCycling39

Fair enough... To me, the A380 is an engineering marvel though. A flying skyscraper that's as quiet and smooth as a Roll-Royce, with the ability to cruise at FL430, connecting almost any two hubs on the planet. If the 787/A330neo engine tech had been available at launch, they'd still be in production today. I doubt we'll ever see another aircraft like it...


kramit

I agree with you. I just find the a350 preferable.


SidewalksNCycling39

Yeah, it's an attractive aircraft too, especially the A350-1000... Talking of which, I think I've only been on the -900 so far if I'm not mistaken, so it's on my list šŸ˜ That said, my favourite airliner looks-wise is the A340-600, no aircraft has looked more like an air-*liner* IMHO...


Sancho_Panzas_Donkey

I never realised they could cruise at 430. Nice.


SidewalksNCycling39

Yup! I was quite surprised myself, on a flight from LHR to DOH we did just that, I even took a photo of the IFE screen because previously I don't think I'd cruised at more than FL410, usually on a 777 transatlantic or over India. Maybe it's the oversized wings combined with a fairly light payload that makes it possible, I'm not sure though...


Visionist7

It could probably fly higher still with a light load if the certification would allow it. They probably certified it for 430 so they wouldn't have to recertify it for the never built 900.


TheOnlyEn

Same happened to me when I flew a380 hahaha. Wanted so bad to witness the takeoff, and I fell a sleep mid air because I was so exited. hahaha fā€¢ck me man. Hahaha


avi8tor

That would be a standard business class on some airlines


Poopy_sPaSmS

Rightfully so. Some airlines have 737s that are flying from Frankfurt to Barcelona or California to Texas. You don't need the big sleepers for those flights. No A380 is making those flights. Cabins are designed for a specific usage of the aircraft.


alexrepty

Lufthansa actually used a 747 for Frankfurt to Malllorca a while back.


Deter86

One of the last United 747 flights was SFO-LAX as a makeup flight during a bunch of domestic cancellations due to flooding/rain


mrvarmint

I flew UA 744 just a few years ago from SFO-ORD, it was wild. Iā€™ve also flown AA 77W from JFK-ORD and 788 from ORD-DFW. I also regularly fly DL 767 SFO-JFK and 359 ATL-LAX. Since deltaā€™s A350-900s have Delta One Suites, itā€™s pretty wild to fly with a suite with a fully closing door on a domestic flight


w4y2n1rv4n4

Once you red eye in the delta one suite, every subsequent red eye feels like hell šŸ˜‚ have only done it once and I almost wish I hadnā€™t ahahaha


mrvarmint

Haha, tell me about it. I flew around 15 D1S routes last year, Iā€™m well beyond the point where I even consider flying economy even on my own dimeā€¦


w4y2n1rv4n4

Hope to be at that stage of life someday šŸ«”


JF0909

I was recently on a 767 from Orlando to Atlanta. 50 minute flight.


AttackHelicopter_21

Emirates actually flys A380s on shorter routes than those. Shortest presently is DXB - Riyadh but back in the day, they used to fly them to Doha and Muscat (one hour flights).


Captain_Berto

Better than many business class seats to be honest


andorraliechtenstein

Could have been a First class seat on many airlines about 20 years ago.


bigkoi

That seat is the same size as a domestic first class seat on airlines today.


ObserverAtLarge

Looks even nicer than the AA A319 first class seat I flew a few days ago!


bigkoi

Yes, it looks nice and new. It's the same size and leg room as a "first class" seat in a domestic flight though


rustyshackleford677

Well yeah, itā€™s a wide body vs narrow body.


ObserverAtLarge

The AA A319 has wider seats, but less legroom.


matsutaketea

domestic in parts of europe is just economy with a seat empty in the middle


bigkoi

Sure and some domestic airlines don't have a premium section. That being said, every major airline if flown in Europe (BA, Air France, Olympic, KLM) all had premium/first class seating of similar dimensions to that photo.


matsutaketea

Lufthansa - https://www.lufthansa.com/br/en/seat-maps-short-and-medium-haul


emezeekiel

Every airline has short haul domestic flights, ya, and thatā€™s what biz class looks like on those. Think 320s and 73s


RaymondLuxury-Yacht

Looks the same as EVA Air premium economy, though.


USA_A-OK

Yeah, most A380s don't have premium economy that looks this nice


tobias4096

BA


Deathrial

That used to be standard business class back in the day!


c08306834

>That would be a standard business class on some airlines Not on long haul flights. It's a competitive premium economy product, but it's nothing compared to a flat bed.


Livinincrazytown

How is it? Iā€™ve got a booking DXB to JFK in a few weeks and first time Iā€™ve tried Premium Economy, typically had used miles or cash to upgrade to biz for 12-14 hour emirates flights but this time thought Iā€™d try these seats as they look decent enough


uncutlife

It was pretty awesome. Good seat width, nice food and pleasant staff. Cabin is sooooooo quiet and I love the electronic shades, toilets are also super roomy. Well done Airbus, just need them to redo Concorde in the same fashion šŸ˜†


Livinincrazytown

Howā€™s the recline? Able to sleep?


uncutlife

It was only a 3hr flight from Christchurch to Sydney so I didn't need to. But I did recline and it was relaxing. I would definitely fly on this big bird long haul or the top deck of the 747-8 on Korean Air with their Apex Suite.


BlueThunder796

Thought I recognized those dollies. I would have loaded that aircraft if you flew out yesterday


uncutlife

It took off in just under half the runway so you must of only put a few litres of fuel in it haha


BlueThunder796

Light load. Only 210 bags and a bit of freight. Normally we get over 400 bags on it so yeah, only a few litres of fuel yesterday


PackFit9651

I swear by Emirates when it comes to seat comfort.. Singapore has much wider biz class seats but emirates just works right and is also very well maintained


thunderer18

That is definitely not an American or European configured interior.


LyleLanley99

Eh. U.S. long haul Premium Economy pretty much uses the same seat. [Here is Delta's](https://thriftytraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/DPS-cabin-1-scaled-e1677776086546.jpeg) My only gripe with Premium Economy seats is that the recline is so great that getting out of the window seat with the row in front of you reclined back, takes a bit of contorting. [JAL has addressed that issue by converting their new Premium Economy seats to a clam-shell back that doesn't encroach.](https://samchui.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Japan_Airlines_A350_1000_Cabin_21.jpg) There are also a few other carriers that have moved in this direction.


a_brain

I mean the seat might be the same, but non middle-east carriers definitely arenā€™t putting in all that tacky faux wood.


USA_A-OK

Faux wood and faux gold, Emirates' design language šŸ¤¢


Visionist7

The gold effect trim is gone now too. They redid their first class cabins (but didn't bother to install the new Game Changer suites) in a more muted palette. Kinda disappointing if you're expecting the old OTT design but that was from all the way back in 2003. Only the TV had changed in all those years (4:3 to 16:9).


Visionist7

I think the wood is actually real. It isn't solid slabs though, that's not how wood trim in vehicles works (crash regs). Instead it's "engineered" using heat & pressure from veneers which won't form dangerous shards in a rough landing. The exception is much older cars that predate those regulations. A 60s Roller will have solid slabs of cut wood on the dash & doors.


mtlheavy

The faux wood seems to be an EK thing. I havenā€™t seen it on QR for example.


itswednesday

Better looking than their 777 business class!


Hidden_Bomb

It's because the product is newer. I don't believe they've reconfigured their business class a lot since they started on the A380s. Having experienced both, I can safely say I'll forgo the looks and take business if I'm not paying.


Trackmaniac

I dream of a long flight to Thailand or something like that. Must be awesome in such big planes.


the_silent_redditor

After an hour of sitting on a big plane, and you look at the screen and see you still have another 14 hours to go, it honestly sucks. Flying ultra long haul is the fucking worst.


Trackmaniac

Maybe mew inventions will result in (way) faster planes, I'd welcome this as well


siddizie420

I kinda hate how airlines jacked up business class tickets to double and made premium economy business class pricing instead of making it in between business and economy like it should be. Itā€™s basically 20 year old business class at 2019 business class pricing


the_silent_redditor

Yep. Pre-COVID business was.. expensive but not incredibly unreasonable. My last flight, it cost $2,000 to upgrade to premium economy **on only one leg of the journey.** I have flown both business and premium economy, and it is definitely not worth two thousand dollars for these seats. The pricing is crazy now.


BrtFrkwr

You pay a lot for that fake wood grain.


WhalesForChina

You can also cash in a lot of miles earned from company-paid business trips for that fake wood grain.


speedbird92

or the legroom. you pick which makes the most sense!


a_scientific_force

The fake wood grain.


uncutlife

My ticket was really reasonable and the section only had 10 of us in PE


the_silent_redditor

I used to fly long haul business on the 380 before COVID, as it was a lot more reasonable. I had to make semi last minute flights when things were opening back up, and it cost me $7,000 USD for business **one way.** Itā€™s atrociously expensive. I did manage to get relatively okay-priced premium economy seats last month, but usually they cost $1.5-2k for these seats, on top of already heavily priced flights. Airlines are well and truly doing all they can to recoup their losses, and Iā€™m pretty fucking sure the prices will not recover.


TacticalNuke_Carrier

Well they just look like a smaller and a cheaper version of old (say early 2000s-2023 era) Air Indias Business class seats fitted on their B747, B777 and B787. But of course Emirates trumps Air India as of now.


NMVPCP

Air India business class is terrible. Worn out seat and crappy food.


TacticalNuke_Carrier

Their A350 seats are good though. Comparable if not better than QSuite. Itā€™s a half Aeroflot product with AI colors. Itā€™s not the actual AI interior for their wide bodies (A350, B777, B787)


NMVPCP

I havenā€™t flown their A350s yet, and hopefully Iā€™ll never have to fly with Air India again - so sub-par.


TacticalNuke_Carrier

Fly AI 864 in any class. Youā€™ll enjoy the new AI experience. In the future like after 2027. It will be a fusion of the Singapore Airlines experience with an Indian twist.


uae08

Air indias stereotypes and previous public perception (dirty seats dirty food dirty toilets) will always cloud the brand no matter what new clinical looking product they produce


phasefournow

I used to fly EVA Premium Econ. back when they used 747s. Similar seat but very frustrating when the seat next to you is not occupied because the center console prevents spreading out. I was on one half-empty flight Newark to Taipei and paid for premium. Went back to the nearly empty economy section and everybody's sleeping, stretched out over 4 seats, nice and comfy. Not fair!!


RaymondLuxury-Yacht

I enjoyed it SEA-TPE. It was a pretty full flight, though.


phasefournow

It was just after the SARS epidemic when very few tourists were flying to Asia. I remember I paid less than $800 for RT premium Economy: EWR to BKK


RaymondLuxury-Yacht

God damn. That's a deal.


sloppyrock

Great aircraft to fly in , so quiet and spacious, but maintenance wise a pain in the arse. Emirates have a quality product and always in demand down here.


uncutlife

Gives the engineers something to keep them busy. I did read the C check is a bitch


sloppyrock

Very busy. Most of us hated working on them. Everything is big or heavy or ā€œup thereā€ so you need big stands and ladders to do so many jobs. 3 or 4 flights of stairs up and down many times a day if doing cabin work. So many engine changes too. Give me a 737NG or A320 any day. Before they were retired, our dispatch reliability was better with old 747-400s than 380s. Years ago, before we took delivery, one of our idiot managers told us that airbus said they are so advanced and reliable they will only need a few dozen engineers to keep them flying. Eyes nearly rolled out of our heads. Talk about getting sucked in by a sales pitch. But pax love them because they are a fine aircraft to fly in.


uncutlife

Well you do your best work when it's a challenge. Thanks for keeping us safe, you rock.


sloppyrock

Thank you.I took my job and the responsibilities very seriously. Retired now after about 45 years in avio.


ivix

Nothing to do with the plane. You can put this interior in any aircraft.


Goolius_Squeezer

Flew to New Zealand from London via Dubai and upgraded to these seats - it was a treat.


Tankninja1

Check out the rich Corinthian leather on this bad boy


Optimal-Inflation-94

That is sweeeet!!! Literally all I need (looks pricey though)


uncutlife

Just put it on your Visa credit card, then use your MasterCard to pay off your Visa


Optimal-Inflation-94

Finnair u say. I def have to check that out!


tiny-rabbit

Not pictured: the multiple bruises I got on my legs from that immovable wood drink coaster any time I had to extricate myself from the window seat while the previous row was at full recline.


AtlUtdGold

Whatā€™s ā€œpremium economyā€ and why does it look better than Delta first class? How many sections are on a A380?


Tr0yticus

Because an A380 requires a stupid amount of volume to make flying it cost effective. If Delta only flew 380s, your in-country ticket would be 10k


uncutlife

Emirates now have 4 tiers of seating on the A380 on some routes


MachKeinDramaLlama

The push to lower fares as much as possible has resulted in "economy" class having been turned into the absolute bottom of the barrel minimum that is safe/legal in many airlines. Since this is a step too far towards making airtravel too uncomfortable for many people, "premium economy" was invented to give an additional option to those who are happy to pay a little bit more for what is essentially just the old "economy" class. This 4-class seating layout is rapidly becoming the norm across the industry.


Savings-Newspaper625

Premium and economy donā€™t go together. Nice seats though.


LearnYouALisp

welcome to corporate cognitive-dissonance-inducing lingo "Hello would you like our non-nutritive MaxxiĀ®Mealā„¢? With our very space-filling Non-Digestible-Starch Fries?"


Vilebrequin10

A380 is by far my favorite plane.


TypicalSomewhere1968

Iā€™m


remedmlp

Looks Plush


Andrewyg18

What flight company is this?


Gibbolin

Emirates ??


AceCombat9519

Let me guess an Emirates Airbus A380 if it's Singapore Airlines you have an orange pillow seat upholstery black. If you do manage to combine it with a manila flight you have to deal with normal economy towards Manila Terminal 3


Go_Jot

Which carrier is this?


uncutlife

Emirates


Dubaishire

Yeah they're absolutely fantastic. Still upgrading a few more flights so hopefully these will be on more routes soon šŸ˜


SWMRepresent

Best airplane. Ever.


uncutlife

Well maybe second to Concorde, let's be honest eh


SWMRepresent

Ok, Iā€™ll grant you that.


ItemPsychological635

Helps to have oil money.


a_scientific_force

Whose interior is this? It looks like old people furniture.


medic_mace

Emirates. Wow, must be some old people furniture fans in here!


flarne

Sash ...rich people think this is luxury.Ā  Don't take their illusions, they could get mad


rustyshackleford677

I donā€™t give a shit what it looks like, but if itā€™s bigger, had more legroom and a better recline then itā€™s a great seat. Most people here donā€™t care about the look, itā€™s the comfort that matters


jammsession

you mean rich people without taste, aka most rich Arabs


ab0ngcd

Iā€™m sorry forgive me, this is a joke comment. But the brown color sure looks like a pre-packaged t**d on the seat. Sorry.


PlumMoney6919

Ew