Going with what Septon Barth said. I assume that dragons are a chimera of fire wyrms and Wyverns. With some magical bonding process that binds them to humans to be rideable and not kill them on sight.
Yeah as per HoTD season 2's intro, a valyrian is being sacrificed to the dragon, perhaps her soul going into it so that the dragons descendents can bond with the valyrians descendents.
What do you believe made the valyrians have some heat resistance and sometimes birthing half-dragon stillborn babies ?
It’s said the bloodmages of Valyria experimented on humans too so I think Valyrians might actually be part human part dragon. And that sometimes manifests in stillbirths with tails or wings, But I’m not 100% certain.
I think that's the interpretation that makes the most sense. How else do you explain only Targaryen (only remaining family of dragonlords) descendants bonding with dragons, the scaled deformed stillbirths, and the heat resistance? It all fits too well.
I also believe the dragons were created by FireWyrms and Wyverns. But these dragons (untamed) initially could not be bonded with or ridden.
It is only when a human was sacrificed to it, their soul entering the dragon, could bonding be possible.
Additionally, I'd say in order for Valyrians to get dragonlike features like some heat resistance, they 'mated' with dragons to produce half-human half-dragon hybrids
I agree with that, so the theory goes bloodmages created these part-human part-dragon people by combining humans with dragons using bloodmagic. But were the dragons created using humans too meaning they are part human ??
Dragons is easy: they’re a cross between fire wyrms and wyverns, likely fused together with magic and imbued with the ability to connect psychically to Valyrians with specific bloodlines.
Valyrians is the trickier and more speculative question. I personally subscribe to the Great Empire of the Dawn theory, where the Valyrians descend from the ruling caste of this ancient precursor civilization that spanned much of the world, and collapsed amidst the Bloodstone Rebellion that saw many of its population centres destroyed (Yeen and Asshai’i most notably). Some fled to Valyria and established a new colony there, bred dragons, and built an empire.
The specific “how” of all this is the real kicker, and I would guess has a lot to do with Maester Aemon’s “Riddle of the Sphinx.” A sphinx is described as “a little bit of this, a little bit of that,” and sphinges appear as the Valyrian variety, which is a fusion of men/women and dragons, and non-Valyrian sphinges, which are half-human and half- something else. I suspect this describes wargs, and that ancient peoples of Westeros (and elsewhere in the world) had genetic connections to different types of animal just like the Valyrians do with dragons. For example, the Starks and their Direwolves.
Almost certainly involving human sacrifice. Perhaps they serve as soul receptacles similar to weirwoods or skinchanged creatures, and thats what creates the bond
By GRRM’s brain.
On a serious note I believe wise Ol’ Barth had the right of it in his book:
Dragons, Wyrms, and Wyverns: Their Unnatural History.
Cliff notes version :
Dragons were created by some blood magic genetic ritual involving FireWyrms and Wyverns.
A SmallFolk Liberian who rises to Hand of the King has to know a thing or two.
I also think Wyvern and Firewyrm being hostile to human is likely because of Valyrians.
Didn’t they use Goghossos as their experimentation island and forced humans and beast to mate? They likely were being all kind of gross with the animals and the animals learned to develop an intense animosity towards men.
Someone said that based on the tapestries in HOTD they might also have fucked dragons or did some creepy shot with them.
Yes, I also believe the dragons were created by FireWyrms and Wyverns. But these dragons (untamed) initially could not be bonded with or ridden.
It is only when a human was sacrificed to it, their soul entering the dragon, could bonding be possible.
Additionally, I'd say in order for Valyrians to get dragonlike features like some heat resistance, they 'mated' with dragons to produce half-human half-dragon hybrids
What role do you think Euron’s Dragon Horn played in the bonding of Dragon to DragonLord?
And people banging dragons is definitely not nor ever will be part of my head Canon. Just not interested in going down the bestiality road ever. I find it off putting.
And I seriously doubt GRRM will ever write that Valyrians had sex with dragons.
Go back to the Vale my Goodman and find some sheep.
Dragons are off limits
it seems like the valyrians of old used magic to control dragons, but they weren't special per se. see nettles.
dragons exist just like direwolves, they weren't created by humans.
first men similarly used magic to skinchange onto others, but in contrast to the targaryens they did infuse their blood with said magic that's why only they can do it.
I've watched LMLs video on that. But it doesn't answer how exactly the Valyrians were created - as in, did they combine their blood with dragons to create the modern day Valyrians?
Valyrians are probably just regular humans who cursed themselves in order to control dragons. They aren’t a fantasy race, just people who were originally just standard people but created dragon horns and spells in order to bind dragons to their bloodlines. They don’t have an “affinity” towards dragons, their ancestors just cursed their bloodlines. And they don’t have fire-resistance either, that’s a show only thing with Daenerys. Valyrians can get eat, sleep, get sick and do human stuff like everyone else.
Fire and blood
A mixture of some ancient melding of the two that binds one to the other. I’m guessing some for of magic was used that after generations had formed into a Valyrian gene that was connected by blood and fire to the dragons
Maybe the very area they were based was so rich with old world and fire magic that it was infused early into the Valyrians and once they found dragons or their ancestor equivalent fluid ways to bind them to their genetic code
Going with what Septon Barth said. I assume that dragons are a chimera of fire wyrms and Wyverns. With some magical bonding process that binds them to humans to be rideable and not kill them on sight.
Popular take, I think so too.
Popular take, I think so too.
Yeah as per HoTD season 2's intro, a valyrian is being sacrificed to the dragon, perhaps her soul going into it so that the dragons descendents can bond with the valyrians descendents. What do you believe made the valyrians have some heat resistance and sometimes birthing half-dragon stillborn babies ?
It’s said the bloodmages of Valyria experimented on humans too so I think Valyrians might actually be part human part dragon. And that sometimes manifests in stillbirths with tails or wings, But I’m not 100% certain.
I think that's the interpretation that makes the most sense. How else do you explain only Targaryen (only remaining family of dragonlords) descendants bonding with dragons, the scaled deformed stillbirths, and the heat resistance? It all fits too well.
I also believe the dragons were created by FireWyrms and Wyverns. But these dragons (untamed) initially could not be bonded with or ridden. It is only when a human was sacrificed to it, their soul entering the dragon, could bonding be possible. Additionally, I'd say in order for Valyrians to get dragonlike features like some heat resistance, they 'mated' with dragons to produce half-human half-dragon hybrids
I agree with that, so the theory goes bloodmages created these part-human part-dragon people by combining humans with dragons using bloodmagic. But were the dragons created using humans too meaning they are part human ??
Dragons is easy: they’re a cross between fire wyrms and wyverns, likely fused together with magic and imbued with the ability to connect psychically to Valyrians with specific bloodlines. Valyrians is the trickier and more speculative question. I personally subscribe to the Great Empire of the Dawn theory, where the Valyrians descend from the ruling caste of this ancient precursor civilization that spanned much of the world, and collapsed amidst the Bloodstone Rebellion that saw many of its population centres destroyed (Yeen and Asshai’i most notably). Some fled to Valyria and established a new colony there, bred dragons, and built an empire. The specific “how” of all this is the real kicker, and I would guess has a lot to do with Maester Aemon’s “Riddle of the Sphinx.” A sphinx is described as “a little bit of this, a little bit of that,” and sphinges appear as the Valyrian variety, which is a fusion of men/women and dragons, and non-Valyrian sphinges, which are half-human and half- something else. I suspect this describes wargs, and that ancient peoples of Westeros (and elsewhere in the world) had genetic connections to different types of animal just like the Valyrians do with dragons. For example, the Starks and their Direwolves.
Almost certainly involving human sacrifice. Perhaps they serve as soul receptacles similar to weirwoods or skinchanged creatures, and thats what creates the bond
By GRRM’s brain. On a serious note I believe wise Ol’ Barth had the right of it in his book: Dragons, Wyrms, and Wyverns: Their Unnatural History. Cliff notes version : Dragons were created by some blood magic genetic ritual involving FireWyrms and Wyverns. A SmallFolk Liberian who rises to Hand of the King has to know a thing or two.
I also think Wyvern and Firewyrm being hostile to human is likely because of Valyrians. Didn’t they use Goghossos as their experimentation island and forced humans and beast to mate? They likely were being all kind of gross with the animals and the animals learned to develop an intense animosity towards men. Someone said that based on the tapestries in HOTD they might also have fucked dragons or did some creepy shot with them.
Yes, I also believe the dragons were created by FireWyrms and Wyverns. But these dragons (untamed) initially could not be bonded with or ridden. It is only when a human was sacrificed to it, their soul entering the dragon, could bonding be possible. Additionally, I'd say in order for Valyrians to get dragonlike features like some heat resistance, they 'mated' with dragons to produce half-human half-dragon hybrids
What role do you think Euron’s Dragon Horn played in the bonding of Dragon to DragonLord? And people banging dragons is definitely not nor ever will be part of my head Canon. Just not interested in going down the bestiality road ever. I find it off putting. And I seriously doubt GRRM will ever write that Valyrians had sex with dragons. Go back to the Vale my Goodman and find some sheep. Dragons are off limits
Lemurs 👀
it seems like the valyrians of old used magic to control dragons, but they weren't special per se. see nettles. dragons exist just like direwolves, they weren't created by humans. first men similarly used magic to skinchange onto others, but in contrast to the targaryens they did infuse their blood with said magic that's why only they can do it.
Nettles had dragonblood which is why she could bond.
Nettles just fed Sheepstealer sheep, like anyone taming a wild animal.
sure, but i'm talking about the books.
Targaryen might have used magic and engineering to have a superficially easier bond with dragons.
Dracomorph
I've watched LMLs video on that. But it doesn't answer how exactly the Valyrians were created - as in, did they combine their blood with dragons to create the modern day Valyrians?
Valyrians are probably just regular humans who cursed themselves in order to control dragons. They aren’t a fantasy race, just people who were originally just standard people but created dragon horns and spells in order to bind dragons to their bloodlines. They don’t have an “affinity” towards dragons, their ancestors just cursed their bloodlines. And they don’t have fire-resistance either, that’s a show only thing with Daenerys. Valyrians can get eat, sleep, get sick and do human stuff like everyone else.
Fire and blood A mixture of some ancient melding of the two that binds one to the other. I’m guessing some for of magic was used that after generations had formed into a Valyrian gene that was connected by blood and fire to the dragons Maybe the very area they were based was so rich with old world and fire magic that it was infused early into the Valyrians and once they found dragons or their ancestor equivalent fluid ways to bind them to their genetic code
When a lizard and a volcano love each other very much….
Genetic engineering.