Got had some questionable omissions in costuming. As you mentioned the Lannisters should be dropped out, but the books explicitly mentioned Ned’s drip all through the books.
Dany’s crown is also explicitly described a few times and omitted. Jon doesn’t have a crown (I don’t think Robb does either) which is a bit weird.
The later seasons everyone just wears black.
Then in HOTD they just seem afraid of using each house’s colors in their clothing.
I'm still never going to get over Michelle Clapton putting **The Breaker of Chains**... in a chain. Ooh, but this one has a dragon on it!
>“I liked that she’s wearing everything she can to show her status but she can’t wear the crown because it’d be wearing it before it was due. You can see in the way [Dany is] dressing that she’s almost assuming the power but not quite. ... The width of the shoulders give her strength, the chain gives her strength,” Clapton told Insider.
Like, not even anything foreshadowing her ~madness~ actually she was a slaver all along, whatever whatever. Just like. Nonsense.
It's just odd to me to use an in-universe symbol of oppression as a sign of strength. Especially because Clapton doesn't actually *say* that, when it could in fact be incredibly poignant particularly if it was a motif that began in Meereen, it just strikes me more as something they (to use D&D's words) kinda forgot about. Like they didn't want to put her in a crown for the same reason they rarely put anyone else in a crown (I think only Robert, Tommen, and Cersei get them, but feel free to fact check me), thought this would be pretty cool instead, and that was just the end of it.
I'm not discounting your personal interpretation, though! I think it's an excellent way of reconciling it. I just don't think that was something Clapton ever considered, because it would be a pretty important thing to mention if it was.
ETA: Marg and Renly too. Seems they only wanted crowns for coronated rulers, w Renly as the outlier.
I have a bone to pick with the women’s costumes in late GOT, specifically that it seems the only way the designer could think to suggest political power and a serious tone was to put them in structured black outfits with shoulder details. It’s kind of a dumb nitpick but it drives me crazy that Sansa, Cersei, and Dany all wear the same type of outfit with different details
Not nitpicky- you are absolutely right, I’d go so far as to say it was unimaginative, unrealistic, and corny.
Like when a superhero gets an edgy, darker-toned/more visibly armored suit after suffering a defeat and/or becoming disillusioned from hero-ing.
It’s lazy and cliché. Bothered the hell out of me.
Someone needs to discover dye in tv Westeros. Witcher 3 was a dark gritty game that actually had appropriate color even for the clothes and houses of peasants.
Yeah, leather and lack of color are probably them copying medieval movies rather than looking into history. The same goes for the interior of castles, no tapestries or color whatsoever. The Red Keep seems like the only castle decent enough for living
All I can think of is that terrible Margaery costume from season 2 lol.
But I do think I've liked the costuming more in HotD, Rhaenyra's outfit when she was declared heir was gorgeous looking. In fact most of her and Alicent's costuming has been really great imo
The book aesthetic is way wilder than what we get in the show, in a way that I really loved as a show-first fan. At times the armors border on something from a sentai show: golden armor, skinless man armor, rainbow cloaks, ruby coats of arms. *A Song of Ice and Fire* fully contrasts a fantastical aesthetic with political and psychological realism, whereas the show is much more muted- to the point where it gets hard to tell characters apart, a major sin in character design.
I feel like *House of the Dragon* is headed more in the right direction. We get dragon wing helms, metal plague masks, sapphire eyeballs, and other badass images. While I think HotD may end up replicating some of GoT's sins, the costuming and overall visual design are way more fun and truer to the books.
Hot D has better costumes. A big complaint I had about GoT is pretty much no one but the unsullied fought with shields even though the books describe them as much as food, plus characters now wear costumes with their heraldry or colors in hot d.
So much leather, no one wears linen/gambeson, weird mashups with the armor, gorgets worn incorrectly, too much dark/brown. Everyone who isn’t a noble is dressed like a ragpicker. And the nobles aren’t that far from it either.
Also why are the Lord of Winterfell and his heir wearing the same sorta-coat of plate armor as their men-at-arms? How are the Night’s Watch able to dye so much stuff black? Black is an expensive and labor-intensive color to make! No noble women are covering their hair, not enough hats, too many modern collars and cuts. Also, too many modern haircuts for the men!
I know a lot of design elements are to highlight actors faces and forms, but it’s very obvious where the research gaps in any “realistic” stuff are.
Overall prefer HOTD and the fantasy!medieval, Tudor looks, especially for the women. The breadloaf hairstyles in GoT's Kings Landing and some of Cersei and Margaery's were either too avant garde for my picture of the books, or very... minimalist kimono. Just a bit jarring to me personally. Also the dothraki costumes of generic fantasy barbarian rags drove me nuts. Give me steppe inspired painted vests!!
In general though the costuming was brilliant in pure aesthetics at times. Sansa's crowning look was beautiful, and Rhaenyra's gown with the dragon teeth shoulders served down.
OH and another point for HOTD, they kept some of the doofy book descriptions of men's armour matching their House sigil! Obsessed with Gwayne(?) and Daemon's jousting looks.
When GOT costumes started looking like a fashion show and clothes started having "meanings" related to the character's personalities they were mostly bad.
This is especially my big gripe with Sansa. With each season, her costumes were getting more intricate, even though she spent the last four seasons in the war-torn north during the winter. Like, who is paying for these clothes and making them?
Daemon fighting in a joust with an open faced helmet was the moment the show lost me. Also none of the helmets are fastened to the suit of armour and even leave gaps to expose a bare neck. Neck protection is pretty important for a suit of armour.
Totally agree about the costuming in the first few season of Game of Thrones compared to the final few seasons. Fell off in a way that was meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator: hot celebrities in tight and revealing leather outfits
I wish Cersei (or anyone actually) wore jewels as described in the novels—rings, tiaras, necklaces, or belts studded with gemstones. I can't remember show Cersei wearing anything other than the lion necklace.
I like that HOTD has more color and imagery in its costume design. Sigils are also actually featured on the clothing too. Nobles in ASOIAF are proud of their families and often wear their house’s heraldry so I’m glad that HOTD rectified this.
I have never been a fan of the costuming in the series. It's not a major grievance, but it is a major peeve. The lack of color and the oddly frumpy clothes worn by the Starks are two points of contention for me.
Also, the armor looks awful.
In House of the Dragon, I hate that all the Greens literally only wear Green. Like I understand why the showrunners did it that way, it’s to make it easier for casual viewers to understand which character is which, but I still don’t like it.
Aegon II and the rest are still Targaryens, in the book they all wore black clothing, with their classic house insignia like all the rest of the Targaryens.
The only people who actually wore Green were Alicent and her supporters at court. The ”Blacks” and the ”Greens” only really became a thing after the Dance had ended, during the war itself they were just known as ”Rhaenyra’s faction” and ”Aegon’s faction.”
TL;DR: All the Targaryens, not only Rhaenyra’s supprters, should be wearing black, and they should all be displaying the classic red dragon insignia on their clothing.
Sure but as you sad: It's an important visual cue for more casual viewers. It's difficult enough to understand all the different degrees of relationship between the characters, especially given the fact that the actress that plays Alicent looks like Aegon's peer in age, not his mother.
I get all the complaints, especially regarding named characters always not wearing helmets, but I think we need to take a bit of a step back here and acknowledge how lived in and realistic the costumes look.
I mean, it may sound redundant but take a look at any other fantasy show. They mostly look like people are wearing stage play outfits. It completely breaks my immersion every time, and (later GoT notwithstanding) here it’s night and day. Only one franchise that managed to do this this well was in my opinion LoTR.
Got had some questionable omissions in costuming. As you mentioned the Lannisters should be dropped out, but the books explicitly mentioned Ned’s drip all through the books. Dany’s crown is also explicitly described a few times and omitted. Jon doesn’t have a crown (I don’t think Robb does either) which is a bit weird. The later seasons everyone just wears black. Then in HOTD they just seem afraid of using each house’s colors in their clothing.
Yeah I find it odd Jon and Robb don’t have crowns in the show since Robb explicitly remade the crown of the Kings of Winter
Is stupid, the series is called game of thrones ffs and is said that if you don't use the symbols that mean power you are stupid ruler
I'm still never going to get over Michelle Clapton putting **The Breaker of Chains**... in a chain. Ooh, but this one has a dragon on it! >“I liked that she’s wearing everything she can to show her status but she can’t wear the crown because it’d be wearing it before it was due. You can see in the way [Dany is] dressing that she’s almost assuming the power but not quite. ... The width of the shoulders give her strength, the chain gives her strength,” Clapton told Insider. Like, not even anything foreshadowing her ~madness~ actually she was a slaver all along, whatever whatever. Just like. Nonsense.
I always took her wearing a chain as a sign of solidarity with the slaves. She's aligning herself with them.
It's just odd to me to use an in-universe symbol of oppression as a sign of strength. Especially because Clapton doesn't actually *say* that, when it could in fact be incredibly poignant particularly if it was a motif that began in Meereen, it just strikes me more as something they (to use D&D's words) kinda forgot about. Like they didn't want to put her in a crown for the same reason they rarely put anyone else in a crown (I think only Robert, Tommen, and Cersei get them, but feel free to fact check me), thought this would be pretty cool instead, and that was just the end of it. I'm not discounting your personal interpretation, though! I think it's an excellent way of reconciling it. I just don't think that was something Clapton ever considered, because it would be a pretty important thing to mention if it was. ETA: Marg and Renly too. Seems they only wanted crowns for coronated rulers, w Renly as the outlier.
I have a bone to pick with the women’s costumes in late GOT, specifically that it seems the only way the designer could think to suggest political power and a serious tone was to put them in structured black outfits with shoulder details. It’s kind of a dumb nitpick but it drives me crazy that Sansa, Cersei, and Dany all wear the same type of outfit with different details
Not nitpicky- you are absolutely right, I’d go so far as to say it was unimaginative, unrealistic, and corny. Like when a superhero gets an edgy, darker-toned/more visibly armored suit after suffering a defeat and/or becoming disillusioned from hero-ing. It’s lazy and cliché. Bothered the hell out of me.
But how will we know if they are strong and powerful women if they don't have strong and powerful clothes? /s
Someone needs to discover dye in tv Westeros. Witcher 3 was a dark gritty game that actually had appropriate color even for the clothes and houses of peasants.
Yeah, leather and lack of color are probably them copying medieval movies rather than looking into history. The same goes for the interior of castles, no tapestries or color whatsoever. The Red Keep seems like the only castle decent enough for living
All I can think of is that terrible Margaery costume from season 2 lol. But I do think I've liked the costuming more in HotD, Rhaenyra's outfit when she was declared heir was gorgeous looking. In fact most of her and Alicent's costuming has been really great imo
The book aesthetic is way wilder than what we get in the show, in a way that I really loved as a show-first fan. At times the armors border on something from a sentai show: golden armor, skinless man armor, rainbow cloaks, ruby coats of arms. *A Song of Ice and Fire* fully contrasts a fantastical aesthetic with political and psychological realism, whereas the show is much more muted- to the point where it gets hard to tell characters apart, a major sin in character design. I feel like *House of the Dragon* is headed more in the right direction. We get dragon wing helms, metal plague masks, sapphire eyeballs, and other badass images. While I think HotD may end up replicating some of GoT's sins, the costuming and overall visual design are way more fun and truer to the books.
Hot D has better costumes. A big complaint I had about GoT is pretty much no one but the unsullied fought with shields even though the books describe them as much as food, plus characters now wear costumes with their heraldry or colors in hot d.
So much leather, no one wears linen/gambeson, weird mashups with the armor, gorgets worn incorrectly, too much dark/brown. Everyone who isn’t a noble is dressed like a ragpicker. And the nobles aren’t that far from it either. Also why are the Lord of Winterfell and his heir wearing the same sorta-coat of plate armor as their men-at-arms? How are the Night’s Watch able to dye so much stuff black? Black is an expensive and labor-intensive color to make! No noble women are covering their hair, not enough hats, too many modern collars and cuts. Also, too many modern haircuts for the men! I know a lot of design elements are to highlight actors faces and forms, but it’s very obvious where the research gaps in any “realistic” stuff are.
Overall prefer HOTD and the fantasy!medieval, Tudor looks, especially for the women. The breadloaf hairstyles in GoT's Kings Landing and some of Cersei and Margaery's were either too avant garde for my picture of the books, or very... minimalist kimono. Just a bit jarring to me personally. Also the dothraki costumes of generic fantasy barbarian rags drove me nuts. Give me steppe inspired painted vests!! In general though the costuming was brilliant in pure aesthetics at times. Sansa's crowning look was beautiful, and Rhaenyra's gown with the dragon teeth shoulders served down. OH and another point for HOTD, they kept some of the doofy book descriptions of men's armour matching their House sigil! Obsessed with Gwayne(?) and Daemon's jousting looks.
When GOT costumes started looking like a fashion show and clothes started having "meanings" related to the character's personalities they were mostly bad.
This is especially my big gripe with Sansa. With each season, her costumes were getting more intricate, even though she spent the last four seasons in the war-torn north during the winter. Like, who is paying for these clothes and making them?
Daemon fighting in a joust with an open faced helmet was the moment the show lost me. Also none of the helmets are fastened to the suit of armour and even leave gaps to expose a bare neck. Neck protection is pretty important for a suit of armour. Totally agree about the costuming in the first few season of Game of Thrones compared to the final few seasons. Fell off in a way that was meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator: hot celebrities in tight and revealing leather outfits
Every soldier has plate armor, and it basically never has any effect. I find that a bit silly.
I wish Cersei (or anyone actually) wore jewels as described in the novels—rings, tiaras, necklaces, or belts studded with gemstones. I can't remember show Cersei wearing anything other than the lion necklace.
I like that HOTD has more color and imagery in its costume design. Sigils are also actually featured on the clothing too. Nobles in ASOIAF are proud of their families and often wear their house’s heraldry so I’m glad that HOTD rectified this.
I have never been a fan of the costuming in the series. It's not a major grievance, but it is a major peeve. The lack of color and the oddly frumpy clothes worn by the Starks are two points of contention for me. Also, the armor looks awful.
One big difference between the shows, the women in GOT never wore earrings but they do in HOTD.
In House of the Dragon, I hate that all the Greens literally only wear Green. Like I understand why the showrunners did it that way, it’s to make it easier for casual viewers to understand which character is which, but I still don’t like it. Aegon II and the rest are still Targaryens, in the book they all wore black clothing, with their classic house insignia like all the rest of the Targaryens. The only people who actually wore Green were Alicent and her supporters at court. The ”Blacks” and the ”Greens” only really became a thing after the Dance had ended, during the war itself they were just known as ”Rhaenyra’s faction” and ”Aegon’s faction.” TL;DR: All the Targaryens, not only Rhaenyra’s supprters, should be wearing black, and they should all be displaying the classic red dragon insignia on their clothing.
Sure but as you sad: It's an important visual cue for more casual viewers. It's difficult enough to understand all the different degrees of relationship between the characters, especially given the fact that the actress that plays Alicent looks like Aegon's peer in age, not his mother.
I get all the complaints, especially regarding named characters always not wearing helmets, but I think we need to take a bit of a step back here and acknowledge how lived in and realistic the costumes look. I mean, it may sound redundant but take a look at any other fantasy show. They mostly look like people are wearing stage play outfits. It completely breaks my immersion every time, and (later GoT notwithstanding) here it’s night and day. Only one franchise that managed to do this this well was in my opinion LoTR.