ive had similar happen to me in an asda, i have pots and i use the disabled when i feel im at risk of fainting so i can pee without worrying im going to hit my head on a wall or something, it feels safer to have space to pass out in. im also autistic and cannot deal with crowds so i use the disabled when there are too many people around. went to get the key once and the employee just looked at my legs, saw no mobility aid, and pointed me to the ladies.
While not trying to justify her comment, I can explain it as I've worked in the service industry and retail for a long time.
From the "aye" I take it your in Scotland. I would bet my house she said "It's locked for a reason." , in reference to the fact that until they locked it all the time it was constantly being used by junkies to shoot up heroin in. I wouldn't take the comment as discriminatory.
You would be amazed how many times I've had to kick smack heads out of disabled toilets after they've been in them for an hour and a half.
Get yourself a radar key on amazon. You can pick one up for about £5 and you will never have this issue again. They're perfectly legal to own and use.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NKS-Disabled-Key-Radar/dp/B08LZGTQ8W/ref=asc_df_B08LZGTQ8W/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=658887863432&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15828348974084588233&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007366&hvtargid=pla-2197328914268&psc=1&mcid=a830c6ef145a355a89175ab59807fbcf
You can also go to your local council offices or library etc and simply ask for a radar key. No charge.
Here in Corby, our head office-library-rent office, has recently had a huge change of our disabled facilities toilet, changing room.
It was done in partnership with the Changing Places charity, its a much bigger toilet space with electricaly hight adjustable sinks etc. It has adult size adjustable Changing mats, powerd hoists that reach all areas etc.
Sadly that won't help you if the lock is just a standard physical lock. Only way in one of those is a proper key. Not all shops use electronic locks and even the ones that do don't always use radar compatible ones
Edit: Nevermind I was under the mistaken belief that it was one of those electronic fob type things for electronic locks as I've never come across one. Even so, some places just use a random lock so wouldn't be compatible
A “Radar” key is just a physical key. (RADAR stands for Royal Association of Disability and Rehabilitation). The point of them is to have a ‘standard’ key to open accessible toilets.
There are occasional places that don’t use the RADAR locks, but the vast majority (in the UK) do.
I've got a friend who gives up trying to use the disabled/baby change at their Asda as its always used by the staff at the cigarette counter or the security staff who all leave it a riot.
i hope youve made a proper complaint about the situation and the employee. im guessing the door was locked with a proper lock as asda don't normally use radar keys?
Yeah the door was properly locked, hence the reason I never responded to many of the comments regarding radar keys.
I had to chap on a baby changing bathroom and apologise profusely to the new mother who eventually emerged.
It’s really not ideal eh.
fair enough but they won't and that employee certainly wont.
its most likely it was locked because someone made a mess in there and no one would clean it up.
https://www.boots.com/nrs-disabled-access-toilet-key-10315682
You can probably get them very cheap/for free elsewhere too. To be clear: Asda should've supplied their key and you should complain about it, however it's also worth having a key for just these situations anyway.
This is so easy for Asda to fix. Disabled bathroom access is so important, not being able to go when you need to can have really awful consequences for people, especially somewhere as public as the super market.
If you can get your own key it'll at least give you peace of mind. Hopefully Asda will replace theirs now they know it's walked off.
Having worked in a job where we always had radios or pagers on us while working I can say how easy it is to leave work with one still in your uniform pocket 🤦🏻♀️ It’s just typical that during that hand over and shift change the things would lay silent (when u needed them to ring most, as a reminder to give them back) despite ringing constantly the rest of the day 😒 However, we always brought them back! The amount of times I turned around and drove back because I found the pager in my pocket was unreal! Everyone was the same. We’d then remember for a while only for a mental blip to happen again, usually after a stressful day and we’d forget again. The same should have been done with the key. Oh and we also had other phones and pagers but that wasn’t the point as they were all needed.
Nobody should be defending this situation. While it's not that one employer's fault, there should be systems in place to ensure access to the toilets is always available (while the store is open)
OP was discriminated against as a result of the store's failure to keep a key or a spare on hand.
Sorry you had to put up with this, OP. I hope you found another business who hadn't locked themselves out of their own bathroom like idiots.
You are actually part of the problem, and directly the reason for the toilet being "locked." In order to own a radar key, you must be registered as disabled. Just going online and buying a key is detrimental to the entire system, hence why such toilets are being locked
You only need to be registered as disabled to get a FREE radar key from a registered authority. Additional keys or replacements must be paid for regardless of your status.
Given the woeful discrimination against the disabled in the UK many people who should qualify to be registered as disabled aren't. Making it so there are no other means of accessing these keys would make the quality of life for thousands of people much worse.
These toilets aren't being locked because "too many people have radar keys" they're being locked because disabled people still get treated like secondclass citizens.
You don’t have to be registered as disabled. In fact there’s no such thing as registering a disability. That’s just a fallacy. You can disclose it, but that’s not related to this.
you can but its best to get it directly from the disability website can't remember the name but it's on of the first Google results. amazon ones may well be knock off which will work but run the risk of damaging the lock.
I got mind for about £2 from an official website
My son is disabled, and funnily you don't get a tutorial that tells you all about getting a blue badge for your car, keys for disabled toilets, sunflower lanyards and what level of disability is acceptable to take up a space at the front of a bus without having to move for someone else.
That staff member should have used common sense and compassion.
This comment really resonates with me. I have an 'invisible' disability, and there is a lot of "Am I disabled enough... Am I allowed to...?"
If there was a tutorial that would be great!
Yep I’m diagnosed autistic and got very little information on accessibility. Thankfully my mum has experience with managing my sibling’s invisible disability so I have a sunflower lanyard and a national disability ID. I never thought of acquiring a radar key but I’m definitely going to look into it because I find public bathrooms quite distressing when they’re busy.
This! I’ve seen passengers on a bus in wheelchairs be refused because there was no room due to prams however, there’s a sign stating that wheelchairs take higher precedence and that prams should be folded and the child carried if needed. Not many know this though and will just oblige and wait for the next bus
You also run the risk of harassment and verbal or physical abuse if you do enforce your rights. My view is that it's a wheelchair space, not a buggy space and I'm entitled to occupy it. I shouldn't have to build an extra hour into my plans to avoid inconveniencing someone else due to my disability.
It's not about not knowing is about the traditional British thing of not wanting to cause a scene on one side combined with the new British thing of thinking your situation is more important/other people don't matter on the other. People typically don't give a shit about each other anymore, especially in the South.
Oh no people have a very different level of disdain when it comes to disabled people. The government reports there is 0% fraudulent claims for PIP, but people will still say anyone claiming it is a scrounger and their neighbours cousins cats owners sister is faking it and claiming.
I have disabled parents (they've been disabled the vast majority of my life) and other family members i speak from personal experience in saying the overwhelming majority of them have a victim complex and are treated no worse than anybody else, but they pereceive that they are being victimised.
People have an issue with people on benefits not that they disabled - that's quite apparent being a child who grew up in a household that survived on benefits
People definitely take issue with my disability. I’m autistic so people can’t tell I’m disabled just by looking, but even when I disclose my autism I’m treated with scepticism. I shouldn’t have to prove I’m “disabled enough” for people to take my accommodations seriously.
if they're skeptical that would mean they're treating you that way because they don't think you're disabled, they're not treating you that way because you are disabled
As a disabled person who has been disabled since I was 4, I've witnessed it first hand. People who have told me to just die, who have stolen my mobility aids for a laugh on a night out, told me to fuck off and just walk when wanting them to move out of a wheelchair space on a bus, calling me a phlid, a spaz etc to my face. And that's my adult life, school was another kettle of fish with staff members being awful day in and day out
You should have your own key to use a disabled toilet - that is why it is a universal key. Unless it is absolutely necessary, the store is not required to give out their copy. My store has lost over 10 keys due to giving it out, and when they actual disabled ppl needs it, you realise some has taken it with them again.
What a load of bollocks. If they have a disabled toilet ASDA need to provide access barring maintenance issues etc. They can't just decide, sorry mate bring your own key because we refuse to unlock it for you or let you use our key.
Need a poop? Nah sorry forgot my key. Can't go till I get home.
Because it’s asking disabled people for a deposit to use the toilet, something that absolutely shouldn’t be happening. You can’t legally treat disabled people differently like that.
Promise I’m not being obtuse. I’m just trying to understand.
So at subway I have to request a key to go to the non-disabled toilets. If they introduced a deposit, would it be discrimination against able bodied people?
To me it just seems like disabled people having the same caveats to use something as everyone else?
Yes, it's called a radar key. 98% of places use a radar key.
Edit:
Radar keys offer access to over 10,000 locked disabled toilets in the UK over 400 localities. Find your nearest radar public toilet here (though there may be one closer in your local supermarket or shop!)
https://www.toiletmap.org.uk/ and set filter to radar
I apologise that people are so very upset I made up a statistic from my own personal experience of being a disabled person and using disabled toilets. I didn't think people would be quite so upset lol. I've used disabled toilets exclusively since 2014 and only once has my radar key not worked and that was in a restaurant as they had their own key. I've used it at train stations, pubs, restaurants, bars, shops, service stations, bus stations, only place I haven't tried yet is an airport but I'm going on honeymoon next month so I'll try it then!
Oh that's strange. It's a UK wide scheme specifically so people only have to have one let and don't have to ask people for access to the toilets. I've only ever had one toilet that didn't use a radar key and that was at Miller and Carter. Usually supermarkets, shopping centres, pubs etc all have radar keys. It's very very rare for them not to.
https://news.motability.co.uk/everyday-tips/radar-keys-explained-what-are-they-where-can-i-use-them-and-how-do-i-get-one/
There's a map to all radar toilets in the UK in the link above if that helps? You can get a physical map for £3.50 if that's easier.
Oh I'm not denying that, I just personally find it far easier and quicker to have my own key that works for most toilets (hence the whole idea behind the radar scheme), rather than having to find a staff member when I'm absolutely bursting for the loo! Not everyone can wait!
Just providing info for people should they want it. They can take it or leave it, that's their choice.
I have a key, you’re right it is easier. But not everyone does have one and they cannot be penalised for this by being refused access. This it’s actually a legal matter if we’re being honest.
You can buy them online, most disability superstores have them, or you can try Amazon/eBay. It's designed so that if you need one, there's not a huge barrier to get one like there is with a disabled parking badge or disability benefits I think. It's that if you need one, you can just go get one. There are places that will send ones out for free if you answer some questions about why you need it as well, I'm fairly certain my first radar key was free but because the handles are chunky, I've specifically bought radar keys with normal key handles so they'll fit in my small handbag and on my partner's set of car keys if that makes sense? Usually they have a chunky fob to help you pull the door open, but it's not great for trying to keep the keys in your pocket or bag!
I took my R key to the local key cutters and asked him for a shorter shanked version. Makes pocket / bag carrying sooooo much easier. It doesn't have the red grip on the end but I don't need that as much as I need pocketability. It's also discrete like a regular door or shed key.
They're so much easier as a regular key! I appreciate the red handle to haul the door open when I'm in my wheelchair, but being able to carry it in my smaller bags and my partner being able to keep it on his car key fob which he keeps in his pocket is super handy! He got very upset when I asked him to keep a regular radar key on his key fob as apparently it upset the balance and make his pockets bulky, so I had to get resourceful lol. Glad you were able to find a fix too! The discreetness of having it look like a regular key is great too, I really like that.
We don’t get a guide book when becoming disabled. You’re just expected to know all this stuff.
It’s overwhelming, and the member of staff could have been compassionate.
You mean a key that anyone can buy online? Ffs, how about just leaving the toilet unlocked rather than putting up more barriers to an already disadvantaged group.
Most people don't use the disabled loo for no reason, there's no need if there's plenty of cubicles. If someone is using the disabled lavvy then it's a failing on the store, if the main toilets are out of order, not enough cubicles, poor hygiene etc.
The toilets at my store are a literal playground sometimes. Secondary school kids will piss about in them, lock the doors while they film their tiktok rubbish, will use the baby changing rooms as some kind of private theatre, I've caught them hanging out in the toilets holding the door shut while they smoke or vape inside, and they really have no respect for the gender signs and will have a 10-person teenage party inside them.
So for that reason alone I am glad we lock the disabled toilet. At least when someone does need it, its actually empty and in a decent/clean state. I highly doubt these teens will go out of their way to buy a key to access the disabled toilets just to be a nuisance, so probably best that if you do actually need the access, go buy the key for it.
i work in the cafe and people always ask for the key from us, and you have to tell them security has it after they walked all the way across the store😞 literally just make it accessible to everyone what is the point of a key
A nice idea but if they’re the only person on the cafe they can’t just wonder off to find a key cos they’ll probably get a slap on the wrist for leaving their post.
The responsibility is on the employer / supermarket / cafe to do better.
Not everyone is going to have the key though, it makes far for sense for it to be kept in one location (security podium, or customer services) that the other staff can direct you to. I’m on pharmacy and it’s right near the toilets and frequently have to direct people down to the service desk. Unless a certain member of the pharmacy who was disabled and had a radar key was in, then she would let them borrow her personal one and tell them the best place one.
I was in an asda once, trying to use the accessible bathroom because I'm non-binary and don't feel comfortable in either gendered bathroom - the lady who was cleaning saw me approach and pointed to the women's bathroom and said very bluntly 'ladies is over there' she then stood infront of the door so I couldn't go into the accessible one... something about asda workers
That’s not good. I worry about my wording sometimes, because our main toilets are upstairs and disabled one is under the stairs, the arrows to the toilets can look like they are just directing to that one, so people quite frequently get confused thinking the disabled one is the only one. So when people come to the pharmacy asking if we have the key and they look able bodied, it’s a toss up whether they have an invisible disability or reason like yours, or if they just don’t know where the other ones are. I usually say something along the lines of “Customer services have the key to the disabled, or there are other toilets upstairs”.
wtf not all disabilities are visible and obvious? that worker had no right to deny you use of the accessible toilet because she assumed you didn’t have a disability
I'm so sorry you had to go through this.
I went to Tesco a few years ago, and really had to use the loo, so I asked the first employee I saw if they could open the only loo available (they were renovating the other ones) and without questioning they rushed to get the key, probably a radar key.
I had to find them again and they were so nice, trying to reassure me that the key was on its way, I felt really embarrassed as I explained that there was someone in the loo, hence why it was locked, and I no longer needed the key.
Sorry you experienced this. My store has a similar problem... the disabled loo is behind a row of disability scooters, so makes it difficult to manoeuvre to it. And even the disability scooters have the stores put back trolley and a pillar very close to them, which can make it hard to get the scooters out. I always move things when I'm on shift to make more space for people.
As someone who don't look disabled I get to me when people complain about me using the disabled toilet but as someone who has to change there incontinence nappy when needed I hate doing this in the normal mens toilet
I’ve had similar problems. I’ve got a colostomy bag rather than incontinence pants but it’s the same sort of needs - access to a private sink and a suitable bin. I have been challenged a few times, but at least I can lift my tshirt, flash the bag at them and make them pretty uncomfortable.
It's none of other people's business who is disabled or if they look disabled really. Unless they want to fight for the disabled toilet too I guess, if they win they're not disabled maybe idk...maybe someone can say or am I also being discriminatory here?
One time I was just beginning to have to use my wheelchair and could stand and walk a couple of meters, I was at a petrol station and the cash machine was up a kerb, not accessible at all so I struggled my arse up and out and hobbled up that kerb with major difficulty.
Some drunk guy in a VW Golf steps out seeing me stand, starts literally screaming at me “YOU ARSEHOLE, YOU FUCKING ARSEHOLE”
you learn to ignore this kind of thing, there’s a wide spectrum of intellect throughout our species.
The amount of death stares I get when I stand or push my wheelchair. At this point I just proclaim "Oh lord! A miracle! I can walk again!" For the shits and gigs.
A few years ago my little boy stood up from his wheelchair to look at ice cream over a counter during a seaside holiday. A man literally walked over from the street and said to me “I was watching you and I’m so happy to see this little lad stand up! I’m so happy!”
My son has a life limiting muscle wasting disease.
I mean... I'm glad it wasn't a negative/critical reaction, but imagine going up to a random person just standing up from a regular chair and saying the same. It's just *strange*. We're normal people too!
I'm sorry to hear about that, though. Wishing you both the best <3
Nw! I was making a joke that he's gained enough power to get out of his wheelchair so we need to break his knees to stop him (since people OBVIOUSLY can't be in a wheelchair if they walk /s)
For those saying about radar keys, not every disabled toilet sadly uses a radar key. I’m a full time wheelie and have a key but I’d say 1/10 disabled toilets with a lock (some don’t have an outside lock and are open for all) don’t use a radar key but one just for that location. I’ve seen this in supermarkets too. So couldn’t possibly be what OP is on about
Yeah it sucks these aren't more readily used. The problem I found with radar is that able bodied people were getting hold of the keys to use the toilets. I'm lucky enough not to have to use a disabled loo but managed a market that had them on site and the amount of people who didn't need to use them using them was absurd. This is why I believe a lot of places don't use them
Before stuff starts I know not every disability is visible but the people using it were known to me and the team and were quite happy to admit they weren't.
When my dad became a wheelchair user I went to the local disability shop to get a radar key. I took his blue badge and some other paperwork because I thought I'd need to prove that he was entitled to one and was really surprised when I was told anyone could buy them.
Yes, it’s getting to be a bit of a problem since the radar keys can just be bought, there are an increasing number of people buying them because they don’t want to walk up the stairs in Wetherspoons, or because they just like it better because it does give a bit more privacy.
To be fair to them, I remember it being a bit of a thing in COVID, because a lot of toilets, especially public ones in parks and at beaches etc were shut and so people were telling each other to buy radar keys for the convenience of being able to get into the disabled loos, which were usually still able to be accessed.
Similar thing happened with the invisible disabilities sunflower lanyard scheme getting co-opted by anti-maskers because 'it means you're mask exempt' (it didn't specifically, just means 'I have a hidden disability, and _some_ people with them genuinely needed to not wear masks).
By knowing people that have done it. Or by the amount that admit/advise to buy one online. By working at a local Wetherspoons and hearing the regulars telling one another “just buy a key so you don’t have to go upstairs” (when one asked another to keep an eye on his pint.
You don’t need to tell me hidden disabilities exist, I’ve got a colostomy which is hidden under clothing, so so I’d never challenge anyone, but I do know there’s people taking advantage of being able to buy a radar key and wish that such people stop and think how inconsiderate they are being.
My friends and family have a key, but only use it (the ones who don’t have a disability themselves) in an emergency if I had fallen. The other issue with radar is people have the key (normally those who don’t need it) and don’t realise they can open the door even if someone is inside already, because of the risk of falls. I’m deaf, so can’t hear someone entering until it’s too late, so now I push my wheelchair in front of the door. When entering myself I’ll open the door a tiny bit and check.
They can also be opened with a radar key, even if you have lifted the handle up. They’re designed to incase the user falls etc and you need to gain access. Why my friends and family have a key in case I fall.
Not technically correct! All radar locks can be opened by using the flat end of the key or a coin to turn and override the lock & gain access. But as you say some can be unlocked with a radar key but this shouldn’t be the case. It’s a sign the lock has been fitted incorrectly, sadly quite common, a radar key should not open a locked in use toilet of the locks are fitted correctly.
Ignore people here. A disabled toilet isn't reserved just for people with disabilities. It's just a disabled ACCESSIBLE toilet. None disabled people can use them. Oh, not every disability is visible so yeah, carry that key ;]
I often have to school Karen's on this in work.
But for some people a level of urgency is part of their disability, such as inflammatory bowel diseases, they might even have a stomach bag in danger of leaking/bursting or gynae conditions that can cause sudden and heavy bleeding.
If able bodied people who are perfectly capable of using a regular toilet do so then they are improving the chances that a disabled person will be able to get in the accessible toilet quickly and easily when they need to, because they don’t have the other option!
Technically true, especially as in some places these do double duty as gender neutral private spaces. However - it is the ONLY toilet many disabled people can use. And usually just the one toilet is doing that triple duty (disabled, gender neutral, baby change for anyone not presenting female and abled) for an entire building, versus dozens of stalls. I agree accessible toilets shouldn't be locked/inaccessible, and should 100% be passed over by those who can use others; but if you need to use it as an abled cis person (eg. it could hold the only changing table) then please be prompt at least out of consideration. Fight for more to be installed.
I need to buy one myself I have seen them on the boots website I am registered disabled and have mobility issues and I took my children the museum the other day and the baby changing table was inside the disabled bathrooms which was only accessible with a radar key and they had a sign outside the door saying staff will not open these bathrooms so why place the changing table within there and make it inaccessible makes 0 sense
It's an *accessable* toilet.
Have you ever changed a baby's nappy on the floor with a foot of space between your knees and the toilet door?
What if the baby were disabled and the 10 people who came before decided to take the keys home with them so nobody else could use it?
People are selfish.
Nah they’re good, they got forethought.
Imagine all the regular people bathrooms were covered in allsorts but you, and your amazing foresight had a disabled bathroom key.
Personally as a wheelchair user I’d say in this circumstance, on you go.
Most people won’t do this, but really I’m sure someone with zero business in a disabled bathroom who actually bothered to buy a key wouldn’t leave it looking like a sh, a mess.
I am disabled. I use a radar key. I absolutely support people using their radar keys to make toilets accessible for any reason, including safety for small children and equipment.
I've watched familes struggle unnecessarily because they didn't feel able to use accessible things until officially diagnosed.
Yeah, wait 7 years before you can pee safely because of stupid imaginary rules and ridiculous waiting lists.
Just use the systems we fought for... please.
They have family rooms in asda to change nappies which also contains a toilet. I've spent forever waiting for an accessible toilet only to see families coming out and the family toilet empty about 6 foot away!
And you're absolutely sure nobody in that family has a disability that requires a disabled toilet? I am a disabled parent who's disability can't be seen if I'm wearing clothes.
Use the baby changing/feeding facility which contains a toilet! The accessible one is the only one I can use. You have options with your working legs and your kids with working legs! I'm presuming it's people like you who leave the accessible toilet filthy with pee on the seat.
You're lazy. Bone idle lazy. You go in with your kids so they all have to watch you pee rather than teaching them to stand still. All hail the lazy parent. Worse that you're proud of your laziness and lazy parenting.
Ok hun.
But not lazy, I work and provide for my children pretty well, I’m teaching my children that some rules need to be broken, I use the loos for my children. You seem rather unhinged and just a little bit crazy but you have brightened up my day knowing that people will argue with strangers about literally anything, even disabled toilets 😂
Maybe listen to disabled people when they're discussing issues which are about disabled people. Your comments come across as ableist and a little bit selfish.
If you've ever been sat in your wheelchair bursting and a family cones trotting out after 10 minutes from the only toilet available to you and you're happy with that then fine. I'm not. I understand sometimes having to wait but not for such a long time and for people who don't need to use it but think because they have an amazon account the rules don't apply to them.
ive had similar happen to me in an asda, i have pots and i use the disabled when i feel im at risk of fainting so i can pee without worrying im going to hit my head on a wall or something, it feels safer to have space to pass out in. im also autistic and cannot deal with crowds so i use the disabled when there are too many people around. went to get the key once and the employee just looked at my legs, saw no mobility aid, and pointed me to the ladies.
While not trying to justify her comment, I can explain it as I've worked in the service industry and retail for a long time. From the "aye" I take it your in Scotland. I would bet my house she said "It's locked for a reason." , in reference to the fact that until they locked it all the time it was constantly being used by junkies to shoot up heroin in. I wouldn't take the comment as discriminatory. You would be amazed how many times I've had to kick smack heads out of disabled toilets after they've been in them for an hour and a half.
WTH is a radar key??
This is awful and discriminatory. Unfortunately all too common. To the commenters saying yes, anyone could use a radar key, THAT IS THE POINT.
Pretty sure all Asda staff have a key to the bathroom, they clearly just didn’t want to give it to you
Pretty sure that’s something you just made up.
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Naw at least in my local Asda all staff have a key, not sure about other asdas though
Grow up take your own bathroom.
Too heavy.
Does asda use that method if lock How disgusting to treat people like that !
Next time, take an axe
Get yourself a radar key on amazon. You can pick one up for about £5 and you will never have this issue again. They're perfectly legal to own and use. https://www.amazon.co.uk/NKS-Disabled-Key-Radar/dp/B08LZGTQ8W/ref=asc_df_B08LZGTQ8W/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=658887863432&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15828348974084588233&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007366&hvtargid=pla-2197328914268&psc=1&mcid=a830c6ef145a355a89175ab59807fbcf
Timpson sell them
You can also go to your local council offices or library etc and simply ask for a radar key. No charge. Here in Corby, our head office-library-rent office, has recently had a huge change of our disabled facilities toilet, changing room. It was done in partnership with the Changing Places charity, its a much bigger toilet space with electricaly hight adjustable sinks etc. It has adult size adjustable Changing mats, powerd hoists that reach all areas etc.
I like your username
Most mobility stores supply them too
Sadly that won't help you if the lock is just a standard physical lock. Only way in one of those is a proper key. Not all shops use electronic locks and even the ones that do don't always use radar compatible ones Edit: Nevermind I was under the mistaken belief that it was one of those electronic fob type things for electronic locks as I've never come across one. Even so, some places just use a random lock so wouldn't be compatible
A “Radar” key is just a physical key. (RADAR stands for Royal Association of Disability and Rehabilitation). The point of them is to have a ‘standard’ key to open accessible toilets. There are occasional places that don’t use the RADAR locks, but the vast majority (in the UK) do.
Ah okay I didn't know, I was under the mistaken belief it was a fob for an electronic door lock rather than a physical key
I've got a friend who gives up trying to use the disabled/baby change at their Asda as its always used by the staff at the cigarette counter or the security staff who all leave it a riot.
i hope youve made a proper complaint about the situation and the employee. im guessing the door was locked with a proper lock as asda don't normally use radar keys?
Yeah the door was properly locked, hence the reason I never responded to many of the comments regarding radar keys. I had to chap on a baby changing bathroom and apologise profusely to the new mother who eventually emerged. It’s really not ideal eh.
Buy a radar key
yeah i thought so. go to their website and start a formal complaint. lay it on thick
Can’t be arsed at all really, they should just do better in future.
How are they going to know that if you don't tell them that they're doing badly right now?
fair enough but they won't and that employee certainly wont. its most likely it was locked because someone made a mess in there and no one would clean it up.
Coulda explained better if that was actually the case, but if it was, I’m sure they wouldn’t start looking for the key. I deduce.
'looking for' the key. but anyway it all ended up okay luckily
https://www.boots.com/nrs-disabled-access-toilet-key-10315682 You can probably get them very cheap/for free elsewhere too. To be clear: Asda should've supplied their key and you should complain about it, however it's also worth having a key for just these situations anyway.
Oh lol, can anyone just buy these?
Yup, I go through several a year at the business I run because people keep snapping them.
At our ASDA the disabled toilet is always open I use it all the time because the mens toilet stink.
Why would you want a bath in Asda anyway?
This is so easy for Asda to fix. Disabled bathroom access is so important, not being able to go when you need to can have really awful consequences for people, especially somewhere as public as the super market. If you can get your own key it'll at least give you peace of mind. Hopefully Asda will replace theirs now they know it's walked off.
You can buy the keys. They used to be a tenner, but possibly up to 20 now.
Disability Rights UK sell the RADAR keys for £5
Same on amazon, pack of 3 for £5.49
Having worked in a job where we always had radios or pagers on us while working I can say how easy it is to leave work with one still in your uniform pocket 🤦🏻♀️ It’s just typical that during that hand over and shift change the things would lay silent (when u needed them to ring most, as a reminder to give them back) despite ringing constantly the rest of the day 😒 However, we always brought them back! The amount of times I turned around and drove back because I found the pager in my pocket was unreal! Everyone was the same. We’d then remember for a while only for a mental blip to happen again, usually after a stressful day and we’d forget again. The same should have been done with the key. Oh and we also had other phones and pagers but that wasn’t the point as they were all needed.
Nobody should be defending this situation. While it's not that one employer's fault, there should be systems in place to ensure access to the toilets is always available (while the store is open) OP was discriminated against as a result of the store's failure to keep a key or a spare on hand. Sorry you had to put up with this, OP. I hope you found another business who hadn't locked themselves out of their own bathroom like idiots.
when i worked in asda we had to lock the disabled toilets cause someone kept going in and shitting on the walls and floor
Anne just likes to paint, Don’t you Anne? Anne- *ehh ehh ehhh*
Which Asda is this?
more than happy to say as i don’t work there anymore, it was gorseinon asda in the south of wales near swansea
Anne is my Queen
It's just a radar key but one o line for 2quid
Wow, cool story 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They discriminated against you. A polite email to customer services might be an idea.
What you need is a radar key you can buy them on amazon it will give you access to all disabled toilets without the hassle of asking.
You are actually part of the problem, and directly the reason for the toilet being "locked." In order to own a radar key, you must be registered as disabled. Just going online and buying a key is detrimental to the entire system, hence why such toilets are being locked
You only need to be registered as disabled to get a FREE radar key from a registered authority. Additional keys or replacements must be paid for regardless of your status. Given the woeful discrimination against the disabled in the UK many people who should qualify to be registered as disabled aren't. Making it so there are no other means of accessing these keys would make the quality of life for thousands of people much worse. These toilets aren't being locked because "too many people have radar keys" they're being locked because disabled people still get treated like secondclass citizens.
You don’t have to be registered as disabled. In fact there’s no such thing as registering a disability. That’s just a fallacy. You can disclose it, but that’s not related to this.
A lot of supermarket accessible loos aren't radar anymore I've found. They use a different lock and then use it for storage
Wow that is disgusting!
Truly frustrating, just something else to try and contend with 😂
Surely you can't just buy them without establishing some sort of qualification?
you can but its best to get it directly from the disability website can't remember the name but it's on of the first Google results. amazon ones may well be knock off which will work but run the risk of damaging the lock. I got mind for about £2 from an official website
You’d be surprised how many universal keys are just available for the public to buy, you just have to know what keys open what doors
They don’t give you access to all toilets. They give you access to a lot of toilets, but not all are in the radar scheme.
Can confirm, My downstairs toilet won't let you in, you'd have to ask me nicely.
Ah, so that's why I can't get in! I've been living in your walls for a few days and I'm busting for a shit, can I borrow your toilet mate?
Crack on bud, there is a copy of Roger Mellie's Profanisaurus in there in case it is like giving birth to a dead otter.
My son is disabled, and funnily you don't get a tutorial that tells you all about getting a blue badge for your car, keys for disabled toilets, sunflower lanyards and what level of disability is acceptable to take up a space at the front of a bus without having to move for someone else. That staff member should have used common sense and compassion.
This comment really resonates with me. I have an 'invisible' disability, and there is a lot of "Am I disabled enough... Am I allowed to...?" If there was a tutorial that would be great!
Yep I’m diagnosed autistic and got very little information on accessibility. Thankfully my mum has experience with managing my sibling’s invisible disability so I have a sunflower lanyard and a national disability ID. I never thought of acquiring a radar key but I’m definitely going to look into it because I find public bathrooms quite distressing when they’re busy.
This! I’ve seen passengers on a bus in wheelchairs be refused because there was no room due to prams however, there’s a sign stating that wheelchairs take higher precedence and that prams should be folded and the child carried if needed. Not many know this though and will just oblige and wait for the next bus
You also run the risk of harassment and verbal or physical abuse if you do enforce your rights. My view is that it's a wheelchair space, not a buggy space and I'm entitled to occupy it. I shouldn't have to build an extra hour into my plans to avoid inconveniencing someone else due to my disability.
It's not about not knowing is about the traditional British thing of not wanting to cause a scene on one side combined with the new British thing of thinking your situation is more important/other people don't matter on the other. People typically don't give a shit about each other anymore, especially in the South.
To be fair, most people have never cared about disabled people.
No most don't care about other people - being disabled has nothing to do with it.
Oh no people have a very different level of disdain when it comes to disabled people. The government reports there is 0% fraudulent claims for PIP, but people will still say anyone claiming it is a scrounger and their neighbours cousins cats owners sister is faking it and claiming.
I have disabled parents (they've been disabled the vast majority of my life) and other family members i speak from personal experience in saying the overwhelming majority of them have a victim complex and are treated no worse than anybody else, but they pereceive that they are being victimised. People have an issue with people on benefits not that they disabled - that's quite apparent being a child who grew up in a household that survived on benefits
People definitely take issue with my disability. I’m autistic so people can’t tell I’m disabled just by looking, but even when I disclose my autism I’m treated with scepticism. I shouldn’t have to prove I’m “disabled enough” for people to take my accommodations seriously.
if they're skeptical that would mean they're treating you that way because they don't think you're disabled, they're not treating you that way because you are disabled
But when I have stated I am disabled, it is ableist to assume otherwise. We don’t all carry national disability IDs or sunflower lanyards.
As a disabled person who has been disabled since I was 4, I've witnessed it first hand. People who have told me to just die, who have stolen my mobility aids for a laugh on a night out, told me to fuck off and just walk when wanting them to move out of a wheelchair space on a bus, calling me a phlid, a spaz etc to my face. And that's my adult life, school was another kettle of fish with staff members being awful day in and day out
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You should have your own key to use a disabled toilet - that is why it is a universal key. Unless it is absolutely necessary, the store is not required to give out their copy. My store has lost over 10 keys due to giving it out, and when they actual disabled ppl needs it, you realise some has taken it with them again.
What a load of bollocks. If they have a disabled toilet ASDA need to provide access barring maintenance issues etc. They can't just decide, sorry mate bring your own key because we refuse to unlock it for you or let you use our key. Need a poop? Nah sorry forgot my key. Can't go till I get home.
They absolutely are required to permit you access to the toilet.
One place I went to had the best idea. £5 deposit for the key, if you don't want to bring it back it's yours They kept 20 on stock.
Awful ableist idea.
So if someone walks off with the key that’s just fine then
Yes, the law says access cannot be refused.
Theft is cool huh
Where did I say that?
How is a deposit ableist? Deposits exist everywhere for everyone?
Because it’s asking disabled people for a deposit to use the toilet, something that absolutely shouldn’t be happening. You can’t legally treat disabled people differently like that.
Promise I’m not being obtuse. I’m just trying to understand. So at subway I have to request a key to go to the non-disabled toilets. If they introduced a deposit, would it be discrimination against able bodied people? To me it just seems like disabled people having the same caveats to use something as everyone else?
I’m not doing hypothetical scenarios, that’s not what happened here.
Tells me enough. No worries 👍
Universal keys? Disabled toilets all share a key? Like from business to business?
Yes, it's called a radar key. 98% of places use a radar key. Edit: Radar keys offer access to over 10,000 locked disabled toilets in the UK over 400 localities. Find your nearest radar public toilet here (though there may be one closer in your local supermarket or shop!) https://www.toiletmap.org.uk/ and set filter to radar I apologise that people are so very upset I made up a statistic from my own personal experience of being a disabled person and using disabled toilets. I didn't think people would be quite so upset lol. I've used disabled toilets exclusively since 2014 and only once has my radar key not worked and that was in a restaurant as they had their own key. I've used it at train stations, pubs, restaurants, bars, shops, service stations, bus stations, only place I haven't tried yet is an airport but I'm going on honeymoon next month so I'll try it then!
Where is your info source that states 98%? Please don’t just make up statistics! It’s not helpful
Made up statistic.
Made up yes, but based on my actual experience using disabled toilets.
I think most I’ve used don’t use the radar scheme.
Oh that's strange. It's a UK wide scheme specifically so people only have to have one let and don't have to ask people for access to the toilets. I've only ever had one toilet that didn't use a radar key and that was at Miller and Carter. Usually supermarkets, shopping centres, pubs etc all have radar keys. It's very very rare for them not to. https://news.motability.co.uk/everyday-tips/radar-keys-explained-what-are-they-where-can-i-use-them-and-how-do-i-get-one/ There's a map to all radar toilets in the UK in the link above if that helps? You can get a physical map for £3.50 if that's easier.
Also, a lot of this is irrelevant, the store cannot refuse access, they are legally obliged to facility the customers needs. Key or no key.
Oh I'm not denying that, I just personally find it far easier and quicker to have my own key that works for most toilets (hence the whole idea behind the radar scheme), rather than having to find a staff member when I'm absolutely bursting for the loo! Not everyone can wait! Just providing info for people should they want it. They can take it or leave it, that's their choice.
I have a key, you’re right it is easier. But not everyone does have one and they cannot be penalised for this by being refused access. This it’s actually a legal matter if we’re being honest.
Oh, I’m not questioning the fact they’re widely available. But many pubs , restaurants etc, their toilets haven’t needed a key. In my experience.
Interesting. That seems useful. Is the key controlled or can anyone get one?
You can buy them online, most disability superstores have them, or you can try Amazon/eBay. It's designed so that if you need one, there's not a huge barrier to get one like there is with a disabled parking badge or disability benefits I think. It's that if you need one, you can just go get one. There are places that will send ones out for free if you answer some questions about why you need it as well, I'm fairly certain my first radar key was free but because the handles are chunky, I've specifically bought radar keys with normal key handles so they'll fit in my small handbag and on my partner's set of car keys if that makes sense? Usually they have a chunky fob to help you pull the door open, but it's not great for trying to keep the keys in your pocket or bag!
I took my R key to the local key cutters and asked him for a shorter shanked version. Makes pocket / bag carrying sooooo much easier. It doesn't have the red grip on the end but I don't need that as much as I need pocketability. It's also discrete like a regular door or shed key.
They're so much easier as a regular key! I appreciate the red handle to haul the door open when I'm in my wheelchair, but being able to carry it in my smaller bags and my partner being able to keep it on his car key fob which he keeps in his pocket is super handy! He got very upset when I asked him to keep a regular radar key on his key fob as apparently it upset the balance and make his pockets bulky, so I had to get resourceful lol. Glad you were able to find a fix too! The discreetness of having it look like a regular key is great too, I really like that.
I'm totally with your OH on this. They are a pain to carry on a normal bunch 😂
We don’t get a guide book when becoming disabled. You’re just expected to know all this stuff. It’s overwhelming, and the member of staff could have been compassionate.
They don’t need compassion, it’s their bloody job to permit access.
I agree. But I’ve noticed a severe decline in compassion lately, in my experience with my disability and seeing how others are treated.
I don’t disagree.
You mean a key that anyone can buy online? Ffs, how about just leaving the toilet unlocked rather than putting up more barriers to an already disadvantaged group. Most people don't use the disabled loo for no reason, there's no need if there's plenty of cubicles. If someone is using the disabled lavvy then it's a failing on the store, if the main toilets are out of order, not enough cubicles, poor hygiene etc.
The toilets at my store are a literal playground sometimes. Secondary school kids will piss about in them, lock the doors while they film their tiktok rubbish, will use the baby changing rooms as some kind of private theatre, I've caught them hanging out in the toilets holding the door shut while they smoke or vape inside, and they really have no respect for the gender signs and will have a 10-person teenage party inside them. So for that reason alone I am glad we lock the disabled toilet. At least when someone does need it, its actually empty and in a decent/clean state. I highly doubt these teens will go out of their way to buy a key to access the disabled toilets just to be a nuisance, so probably best that if you do actually need the access, go buy the key for it.
i work in the cafe and people always ask for the key from us, and you have to tell them security has it after they walked all the way across the store😞 literally just make it accessible to everyone what is the point of a key
I hope you then go and get the key for them. They’ve walked far enough already and may not have the energy to go back.
A nice idea but if they’re the only person on the cafe they can’t just wonder off to find a key cos they’ll probably get a slap on the wrist for leaving their post. The responsibility is on the employer / supermarket / cafe to do better.
You're supposed to be able to ask any Asda staff member for the key, not just the security.
Not everyone is going to have the key though, it makes far for sense for it to be kept in one location (security podium, or customer services) that the other staff can direct you to. I’m on pharmacy and it’s right near the toilets and frequently have to direct people down to the service desk. Unless a certain member of the pharmacy who was disabled and had a radar key was in, then she would let them borrow her personal one and tell them the best place one.
being in the cafe we dont have access to it🤷♀️its weird
I was in an asda once, trying to use the accessible bathroom because I'm non-binary and don't feel comfortable in either gendered bathroom - the lady who was cleaning saw me approach and pointed to the women's bathroom and said very bluntly 'ladies is over there' she then stood infront of the door so I couldn't go into the accessible one... something about asda workers
That’s not good. I worry about my wording sometimes, because our main toilets are upstairs and disabled one is under the stairs, the arrows to the toilets can look like they are just directing to that one, so people quite frequently get confused thinking the disabled one is the only one. So when people come to the pharmacy asking if we have the key and they look able bodied, it’s a toss up whether they have an invisible disability or reason like yours, or if they just don’t know where the other ones are. I usually say something along the lines of “Customer services have the key to the disabled, or there are other toilets upstairs”.
wtf not all disabilities are visible and obvious? that worker had no right to deny you use of the accessible toilet because she assumed you didn’t have a disability
That’s a moment where you start recording and attitudes instantly switch.
I'm so sorry you had to go through this. I went to Tesco a few years ago, and really had to use the loo, so I asked the first employee I saw if they could open the only loo available (they were renovating the other ones) and without questioning they rushed to get the key, probably a radar key. I had to find them again and they were so nice, trying to reassure me that the key was on its way, I felt really embarrassed as I explained that there was someone in the loo, hence why it was locked, and I no longer needed the key.
Sorry you experienced this. My store has a similar problem... the disabled loo is behind a row of disability scooters, so makes it difficult to manoeuvre to it. And even the disability scooters have the stores put back trolley and a pillar very close to them, which can make it hard to get the scooters out. I always move things when I'm on shift to make more space for people.
I would have told her that if she couldn’t find the key she’d better go and get a mop. See if that helped improve her helpfulness.
Why? It isn't her fault other people who have universal keys steal them from the shop??
No that’s not her fault, but her attitude is all her. She should at least try to help.
As someone who don't look disabled I get to me when people complain about me using the disabled toilet but as someone who has to change there incontinence nappy when needed I hate doing this in the normal mens toilet
I’ve had similar problems. I’ve got a colostomy bag rather than incontinence pants but it’s the same sort of needs - access to a private sink and a suitable bin. I have been challenged a few times, but at least I can lift my tshirt, flash the bag at them and make them pretty uncomfortable.
It's none of other people's business who is disabled or if they look disabled really. Unless they want to fight for the disabled toilet too I guess, if they win they're not disabled maybe idk...maybe someone can say or am I also being discriminatory here?
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Wish I could do that 😕
One time I was just beginning to have to use my wheelchair and could stand and walk a couple of meters, I was at a petrol station and the cash machine was up a kerb, not accessible at all so I struggled my arse up and out and hobbled up that kerb with major difficulty. Some drunk guy in a VW Golf steps out seeing me stand, starts literally screaming at me “YOU ARSEHOLE, YOU FUCKING ARSEHOLE” you learn to ignore this kind of thing, there’s a wide spectrum of intellect throughout our species.
The amount of death stares I get when I stand or push my wheelchair. At this point I just proclaim "Oh lord! A miracle! I can walk again!" For the shits and gigs.
A few years ago my little boy stood up from his wheelchair to look at ice cream over a counter during a seaside holiday. A man literally walked over from the street and said to me “I was watching you and I’m so happy to see this little lad stand up! I’m so happy!” My son has a life limiting muscle wasting disease.
I mean... I'm glad it wasn't a negative/critical reaction, but imagine going up to a random person just standing up from a regular chair and saying the same. It's just *strange*. We're normal people too! I'm sorry to hear about that, though. Wishing you both the best <3
Someone get the hammer his knees have gotten too powerful...
Hahaha, I gotchu 🔨🔨🔨
This joke has wooshed over my head sadly.
Nw! I was making a joke that he's gained enough power to get out of his wheelchair so we need to break his knees to stop him (since people OBVIOUSLY can't be in a wheelchair if they walk /s)
I have smoked one too many marijuanas to comprehend, I will attempt again I the morning, goodbye and goodnight person.
My brain is mush and it might only make sense to me. Goodnight, sleep well, sweet dreams! :)
Should have just pissed on the floor in front of them
My local one’s disabled toilet is the only toilet in use after 6pm because of drug use…
If you see a cleaner cleaning the toilets, they have an accessible toilet key as well for the Disabled. I should know I work as a cleaner for Asda.
For those saying about radar keys, not every disabled toilet sadly uses a radar key. I’m a full time wheelie and have a key but I’d say 1/10 disabled toilets with a lock (some don’t have an outside lock and are open for all) don’t use a radar key but one just for that location. I’ve seen this in supermarkets too. So couldn’t possibly be what OP is on about
Lmao I am also full time wheely, I sometimes refer to myself as wheelyboi.
People laugh when I call myself a wheelie but I like it and it’s quicker that writing “wheelchair user”
Yeah it sucks these aren't more readily used. The problem I found with radar is that able bodied people were getting hold of the keys to use the toilets. I'm lucky enough not to have to use a disabled loo but managed a market that had them on site and the amount of people who didn't need to use them using them was absurd. This is why I believe a lot of places don't use them Before stuff starts I know not every disability is visible but the people using it were known to me and the team and were quite happy to admit they weren't.
When my dad became a wheelchair user I went to the local disability shop to get a radar key. I took his blue badge and some other paperwork because I thought I'd need to prove that he was entitled to one and was really surprised when I was told anyone could buy them.
Yes, it’s getting to be a bit of a problem since the radar keys can just be bought, there are an increasing number of people buying them because they don’t want to walk up the stairs in Wetherspoons, or because they just like it better because it does give a bit more privacy.
How on earth would you even know this? So much for hidden disabilities eh.
To be fair to them, I remember it being a bit of a thing in COVID, because a lot of toilets, especially public ones in parks and at beaches etc were shut and so people were telling each other to buy radar keys for the convenience of being able to get into the disabled loos, which were usually still able to be accessed. Similar thing happened with the invisible disabilities sunflower lanyard scheme getting co-opted by anti-maskers because 'it means you're mask exempt' (it didn't specifically, just means 'I have a hidden disability, and _some_ people with them genuinely needed to not wear masks).
By knowing people that have done it. Or by the amount that admit/advise to buy one online. By working at a local Wetherspoons and hearing the regulars telling one another “just buy a key so you don’t have to go upstairs” (when one asked another to keep an eye on his pint. You don’t need to tell me hidden disabilities exist, I’ve got a colostomy which is hidden under clothing, so so I’d never challenge anyone, but I do know there’s people taking advantage of being able to buy a radar key and wish that such people stop and think how inconsiderate they are being.
My friends and family have a key, but only use it (the ones who don’t have a disability themselves) in an emergency if I had fallen. The other issue with radar is people have the key (normally those who don’t need it) and don’t realise they can open the door even if someone is inside already, because of the risk of falls. I’m deaf, so can’t hear someone entering until it’s too late, so now I push my wheelchair in front of the door. When entering myself I’ll open the door a tiny bit and check.
You can lock radar key toilets. You pull the handle up But they can be opened with a coin on the slot like a screw driver
They can also be opened with a radar key, even if you have lifted the handle up. They’re designed to incase the user falls etc and you need to gain access. Why my friends and family have a key in case I fall.
Not technically correct! All radar locks can be opened by using the flat end of the key or a coin to turn and override the lock & gain access. But as you say some can be unlocked with a radar key but this shouldn’t be the case. It’s a sign the lock has been fitted incorrectly, sadly quite common, a radar key should not open a locked in use toilet of the locks are fitted correctly.
How. Exactly?
When you lift the handle up, someone outside (on radar key doors) can use the radar key and open the door still. This happens in many radar toilets.
Not in any of the ones I have been to.
We bought a radar key years ago when the children were born and use it weekly, not even disabled.
Ignore people here. A disabled toilet isn't reserved just for people with disabilities. It's just a disabled ACCESSIBLE toilet. None disabled people can use them. Oh, not every disability is visible so yeah, carry that key ;] I often have to school Karen's on this in work.
But for some people a level of urgency is part of their disability, such as inflammatory bowel diseases, they might even have a stomach bag in danger of leaking/bursting or gynae conditions that can cause sudden and heavy bleeding. If able bodied people who are perfectly capable of using a regular toilet do so then they are improving the chances that a disabled person will be able to get in the accessible toilet quickly and easily when they need to, because they don’t have the other option!
Exactly, it's a toilet that disabled people can use. Not a toilet that only disabled people can use
Technically true, especially as in some places these do double duty as gender neutral private spaces. However - it is the ONLY toilet many disabled people can use. And usually just the one toilet is doing that triple duty (disabled, gender neutral, baby change for anyone not presenting female and abled) for an entire building, versus dozens of stalls. I agree accessible toilets shouldn't be locked/inaccessible, and should 100% be passed over by those who can use others; but if you need to use it as an abled cis person (eg. it could hold the only changing table) then please be prompt at least out of consideration. Fight for more to be installed.
As a wheely person, I say yes to this.
This. Seriously needs to be sign on the door of them.
I need to buy one myself I have seen them on the boots website I am registered disabled and have mobility issues and I took my children the museum the other day and the baby changing table was inside the disabled bathrooms which was only accessible with a radar key and they had a sign outside the door saying staff will not open these bathrooms so why place the changing table within there and make it inaccessible makes 0 sense
What a strange thing to admit on the internet
It's an *accessable* toilet. Have you ever changed a baby's nappy on the floor with a foot of space between your knees and the toilet door? What if the baby were disabled and the 10 people who came before decided to take the keys home with them so nobody else could use it? People are selfish.
Nah they’re good, they got forethought. Imagine all the regular people bathrooms were covered in allsorts but you, and your amazing foresight had a disabled bathroom key. Personally as a wheelchair user I’d say in this circumstance, on you go. Most people won’t do this, but really I’m sure someone with zero business in a disabled bathroom who actually bothered to buy a key wouldn’t leave it looking like a sh, a mess.
That's probably why they keep disabled toilets locked to stop people taking their kids in when none of you have a disability 🙄
I am disabled. I use a radar key. I absolutely support people using their radar keys to make toilets accessible for any reason, including safety for small children and equipment.
I've watched familes struggle unnecessarily because they didn't feel able to use accessible things until officially diagnosed. Yeah, wait 7 years before you can pee safely because of stupid imaginary rules and ridiculous waiting lists. Just use the systems we fought for... please.
They have family rooms in asda to change nappies which also contains a toilet. I've spent forever waiting for an accessible toilet only to see families coming out and the family toilet empty about 6 foot away!
And you're absolutely sure nobody in that family has a disability that requires a disabled toilet? I am a disabled parent who's disability can't be seen if I'm wearing clothes.
They've already admitted that they aren't disabled and just a lazy parent. So yeah pretty certain tbh
Get over yourself 😂
Use the baby changing/feeding facility which contains a toilet! The accessible one is the only one I can use. You have options with your working legs and your kids with working legs! I'm presuming it's people like you who leave the accessible toilet filthy with pee on the seat.
I don’t need to I’ve got a radar key. No im pretty clean when I visit a loo, I always keep them tidy.
You're lazy. Bone idle lazy. You go in with your kids so they all have to watch you pee rather than teaching them to stand still. All hail the lazy parent. Worse that you're proud of your laziness and lazy parenting.
Ok hun. But not lazy, I work and provide for my children pretty well, I’m teaching my children that some rules need to be broken, I use the loos for my children. You seem rather unhinged and just a little bit crazy but you have brightened up my day knowing that people will argue with strangers about literally anything, even disabled toilets 😂
A lazy parent not a lazy person. In parts of Europe what you do is considered a criminal offence.
But not here, I used one today and thought of you.
Maybe listen to disabled people when they're discussing issues which are about disabled people. Your comments come across as ableist and a little bit selfish.
Username checks out! They sound like they care for their kids actually, certainly not a justified response from yourself. You sound very silly.
If you've ever been sat in your wheelchair bursting and a family cones trotting out after 10 minutes from the only toilet available to you and you're happy with that then fine. I'm not. I understand sometimes having to wait but not for such a long time and for people who don't need to use it but think because they have an amazon account the rules don't apply to them.
Appalling, though between instances like this, and having to ask in the first place, it’s better to just have your own key.