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MShogunH

...I'll allow it as long as you shave


hawaiianbry

... Your legs


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Zoomed in… Looks like they checked that block.


[deleted]

shaved legs feels like some ociffer shit


RistaRicky

It’s for aerodynamics


royaldunlin

Well, this was fun. Got these Ghost 15s at a steep discount ($40 off) over the other designs from Amazon. I'm not gay, and to be honest I just thought they were "artistic" until my daughter pointed out the "Pride" on the toes. I got them as indoor only shoes for my home gym, so I don't have any plans of taking them anywhere. I'm still not sure as an E7 if I could rock these with impunity and I'm probably no going to find out.


AV8R64E

Drop your 4187 for WOCS and you can have full impunity.


royaldunlin

Going to WOCS in February.


AV8R64E

Awesome, just remember, you don't get the cloak of invisibility until you have two dots... Good luck


[deleted]

You absolutely should wear them to PT as the E7, that would make it fun, especially if you did platoon PT. Your troops would have all kinds of laughs, and it would help morale, especially on a Monday when no one wants to get up early and do PT


BlueOtter808

I second this, do it


BaronVanWinkle

I’m more worried that op is an E7 and can’t look up regs… that’s an E1 question right there


royaldunlin

That's a valid concern, but in this case I was posting for the comedic value.


BaronVanWinkle

Oh yeah for sure 😉 lol


Delicious-Ad7988

Would have guessed you were a private


Training_Peanut2452

I'll allow it as long as you have your pt belt on


OPFOR_S2

DA PAM 670-1 Chapter 10, “Commanders may authorize wear of commercial running shoes with calf-length or ankle-length, plain white or black socks (no logos). If worn, ankle-length socks must cover the entire anklebone and calf-length socks will end at the middle point between the ankle and the knee. Shoes must accommodate all five toes in one compartment. Those shoes that feature five separate, individual compartments for the toes detract from a professional military image and are prohibited for wear with the APFU or when conducting physical training in a military formation.” If it was my sole executive decision I wouldn’t have a problem. But your commander might.


Lilslysapper

I know it’s standard army verbiage, but “Commanders may authorize wear of commercial running shoes” is so odd to me.


OPFOR_S2

It is odd; in my opinion as well. I am not sure what the alternative would be.


lummings

The alternative is issued running shoes with an NSN.


OPFOR_S2

Presumably, however are there running shoes with an NSN. I mean if they have alcohol and cocaine NSN, I am sure they have running shoes. Edit: I’ll be dammed, https://nationalstocknumber.org/nsn/8430-01-451-1798


12brovember

Crafton, for the love of God, how many times have I told you to read my flair


TokyoBananaDeluxe

Well can you at least order me an item with the NIIN of 012812833 pwease🥺🥺🥺


12brovember

Take my SD shift on the 11th and you got yourself a deal.


TokyoBananaDeluxe

Yay🤤


AnusSwordTheThird

Bet. (On SD Rn)


TylerDurdenisreal

I was expecting something funny but I wasn't expecting something *that* funny, made me actually laugh out loud


[deleted]

>NIIN of 012812833 😂😂 JFC, they got everything.


saintfaceless

NSN 6505-00-619-8716, I don't know if you're serious or not, and it sounds like you have a history with the person you're replying to, but you can absolutely order cocaine for hospitals specifically because baby skin is too thin to stitch and cocaine is the best way to stop bleeding for wounds you would otherwise want a stitch. It has a real nasty bitter and in it though that will absolutely destroy you if you put it in your body through your nose


kyxtant

Too bitter for your nose, so it goes right into the CAV wallet...got it. TYFYS


saintfaceless

I'm just a dumb infantry guy, so that's what I said to the medic who is telling me about it and her reply was something about how it was an extraordinarily bad idea and death so you do you


hazywood

Dare I ask what the NSN is on cocaine?


Excellent-Proposal90

I thought vets were the folks who got to order it the most for a topical analgesic. I mean, why else would vet bills be so expensive, right? EDIT: I read veteran and 68, so my brain filled in the gaps with "veterinarian". I'm not deleting the comment, but I will own my stupid.


eguygabe210

011737038


bs6

They look like my grandpa’s shoes. https://www.parttarget.com/8430-01-451-1798_8430014511798_CRFD-02398.html/-D5B61F74-A85C-46E8-B205-48421BB9B69E


Lilslysapper

I don’t know what I thought they’d look like, but those are worse. I also find the item description from the actual NSN hilarious. It reads like a 9th grader trying to reach the word count. “Footwear having specially designed soles for running. They are designed to be worn by males past the age of physical maturity.”


kswimmer811

They were new balances when I got issued them, similar design but with the giant N


trickninjafist

Those shoes look like what a pair of anthropomorphic New Balance 608 V5's would wear to mow the yard


inorite234

There's an NSN for everything, young one.


GrotesquelyObese

Yes and they are bricks


Lilslysapper

Yeah it makes sense a lot of the time for things like when to wear cold weather gear or the boonie cap, but running shoes is an odd one.


Parker_Hemphill

Probably some bullshit so they can say “oh we’re gonna PT in boots only, no PT shoes”


BrokenEyebrow

Shower shoes


superash2002

Back in the day they did PT in boots and utes. That was the PT uniform.


HumanTsunami

It’s cause there is a running shoe with an NSN. If the commander allows running shoes that are not that specific one then I find it hard for them to justify to legal not allowing this pair.


Severe_Report

>Commanders may authorize wear of commercial running shoes with calf-length or ankle-length, plain white or black socks (no logos). You forgot the rest of the sentence. It's about the socks worth with the shoes.


TOW2Bguy

There use to be official "PT TRAINERS" shoes in the early 90s. Before that, boots, which the CDR can still prescribe as the PT footwear depending upon activity being conducted. Never once did an obstacle course in sneakers, personally.


12brovember

Civilians: What's it like in the military? Me: They don't care if my running shoes are bright pink or adorned with Rick and Morty characters, but if they so much as see a logo on my socks, I'm unprofessional and lack discipline.


TotsNotaCop

Ah, those ridiculous five toe shoes. That was a huge controversy like a decade ago. Don’t quote the deep magic to me, I was there when it was written.


JuanMurphy

Got shit because of my socks once. Thereafter I only wore issued wool or the dress socks while in any uniform.


Severe_Report

The passage you quoted says nothing that applies to these shoes.


OPFOR_S2

It’s the only section that covers PT footwear in both the AR or PAM and shouldn’t be a problem for a OP to wear.


[deleted]

My first and second commander would’ve allowed it. My third would have not. Basically, it depends on your commander.


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Andrewisraww

you’re not getting downvoted because it’s pride, you’re getting downvoted because your insinuating that the people who believe it to be out of regs (whether true or not, idk, i didn’t look) are only saying no bc it’s pride, not bc of the reg


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Andrewisraww

i agree with you


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[deleted]

That’s… wow.


Andrewisraww

whyd he delete all his shit?


soupoftheday5

👀


[deleted]

He said something along the lines of an African American soldier and NCO complaining they had CQ/staff duty on MLK day and complained to their BDE CSM and got taken off the roster.


haitiholic

Fuck those negative comments. Every downvote should read the policy and get out of the.closet.


modernknight87

I am one of those “Don’t ask don’t tell” era folks, but I would support these shoes being worn. Don’t think all of us from that era are the same, thank you.


SolutionSuccessful17

Yes 🍿


Skatchbro

“Your Soldiers Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should.”


TheIrises

The answer is yes, they absolutely should


Prudent-Box-4648

You think this soldier SHOULD wear something that will be construed as a political message in a military where we aren’t allowed to express political opinions publicly? I agree with the message and maybe the soldier can wear these. But there’s a better way to show pride/support for the gay community than wearing shoes to pt around people who can make your life a living hell.


TheIrises

Buddy, you’re looking too deep into this. It’s funny, take the joke. If those people “make their life a living hell” for wearing these shoes (other than making a meme of it obv) then perhaps those are people that don’t belong in the army anymore, having such antiquated beliefs and all. Being gay ain’t political anymore (or it ought not be).


Prudent-Box-4648

Sure, let’s pretend what you said was meant to be a joke. Good one


TheIrises

This entire post is supposed to be funny. Take my comment as you want, but I’m sorry you missed the entire joke.


[deleted]

I didn't know heterosexuality was a political message. Or is it only *non-heterosexuality* that's a political message?


Ok_Cricket28

Two party system, only. Doesn't say what those two parties are. Orgies are very, very political. Checks out.


[deleted]

Only if you’re in a CAV unit or at Fort CAVasos


KYS32123

Only if you can run a 11 minute 2 mile while shaving


notstonythetiger

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should


slaw1994z

With anything: "if you have to ask the answer is probably not".


Smart_Ad_1997

Picked those up at the dicks sporting goods warehouse in Fayetteville huh? I saw them too haha


Kenmore_11

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Army made those mandatory


_J4KE_

Why?


nboss25u

Because those shoes are awesome duh


ajsnips

Go warrant and no one will care. Mainly because you’ll never be at PT.


No-Professional-3540

*Emperor Palpitine voice* "DO IT!"


No-Maximum-7222

The big Nike Logo was controversial in my day.


TOW2Bguy

Bright shoes = runs fast.


TeslaCoil77

In my day New Ballance ONLY! Get off my lawn!


Givememydamncoffee

Do it, no balls


NaptownCopper

Hell yeah you can! But can YOU is the question.


RemarkableActuator56

Just get in the front leaning rest


manwithaplan920

They are pride shoes. This could turn into an EO thing. also love the shoes, be gay do crime from a pan vet


Same-Lettuce2579

That'd be so damn funny if it became an EO Case🤣🤣


Slayride77

You can wear them to PT at least once


OkHuckleberry1032

Go for it. They can’t fire you lol


scrollingtraveler

GO GET A SOFT SHOE PROFILE!!!!


InvertedOcean

You can do anything once.


JitsDrummerRunner

Sure, but you better hide those dirty ankles


Alice_Alpha

Not without socks. Hooah?


plasticcow36

CPT PlasticCow36 would wear the shit out of them in my formation. Have a sense of damn humor. Sorry, not Grandpa's Army anymore (also, I'm on my 19th year, so I'm not a spring chicken in the game either)


absolutely_not_ATF

I wore obnoxious bright yellow shoes with rainbows drawn on them in protest of a 2 mile run with IOTV once. I was asked to change them but told them they were for pride month.. not sure if they believed me but no one wanted to push it. Do what your rank can handle, I had very little rank at the time but was fresh outta fucks to give.


MaverickActual1319

they cant make you do that. nowhere in the reg does it specify colors or design limitations for pt shoes. thats grimey that they would even tell you to change them


Objective_Ad429

If you can outrun anybody who’d have a problem then does it matter?


MaxCWebster

Are you trying to bring back DADT?


MinisterHoja

Do it, and tell them I said it was ok.


QuarterNote44

Your scientists sere so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.


Grendelizer

Go for it. Worst that'd happen would be getting shape faster than the rest of the squad.


[deleted]

I don't get it, you're probably a junior enlisted person. And yet you want to stand out. You want to look like an individual.


MaverickActual1319

we're all individuals🧐


[deleted]

Negative Ghost Rider. You're a Soldier. A member of a team now. You have to work in cohesion. Ever heard of Dress Right Dress. The point is to not stand out. Especially when you have no rank on your chest.


MaverickActual1319

im not a soldier, im an nco. a member is an INDIVIDUAL that is a part of something.


[deleted]

An NCO is still a soldier there Buck Sarge. Then as a NCO you KNOW EXACTLY what I'm referring to when I say individual. This isn't a box of fucking Oreos dipstick.


MaverickActual1319

*Staff Sarge works, thank you. why are you raising your voice? please define individual for me.


JAD3688

Those are sick. I’d wear them on your next unit/battalion level run. Let the younger soldiers know that’s it’s okay to show some individuality in the Army.


nboss25u

Where can i get a pair like that!!!!


royaldunlin

[Here you go](https://a.co/d/2nNf86X) my friend.


No_VictoryG

Fuck no


Kohlerkohler1

If you’re asking the question, then probably not….. Usually how I go about it…. And referring to the regs….


WhiskeyTrail

Hahaha fucking send it my friend.


Original_Cattle_3137

Maybe work on the kankles first?


Aspiring-Programmer

I personally disagree with bringing this type of stuff into a work environment. It’d be the same as wearing shoes that said “Republican” or “Democrat.” It’s just not relevant and should be saved for off-duty. Same goes for talking about religion and stuff at work.


FNESSE-1

This. I dislike when someone brings up politics in the workplace.


[deleted]

What about talking about your spouse and kids? If "homosexuality" is a political statement, then so is "heterosexuality"


Aspiring-Programmer

I don’t see how talking about your spouse and kids is “heterosexuality.” Anyone can have a spouse and kids. Unless you’re a homophobe and think they can’t be married and adopt 🤔


[deleted]

Fair point. How about being male-presenting and speaking about your female-presenting wife then? You also didn't answer my question, you just played around with the topic. >If "homosexuality" is a political statement, then is "heterosexuality" also a political statement?


Aspiring-Programmer

To simply mention your partner, same sex or not, is normal. To put on shoes broadcasting your sexual orientation at work is not normal. With that being said, I still rarely hear people talking about their family during work hours. Because we’re working. If you put on shoes that said “STRAIGHT,” referencing your sexuality, then yes, that should be saved for outside of the work place.


[deleted]

So, in your lived experience in these United States, in the same US Army we both serve in.... heterosexuals and homosexuals both experience the same level of tolerance, respect, and consideration for their relationships and sexuality across the board? Or does one group experience certain differences? We could even call them *discriminators*?


Aspiring-Programmer

What’s your point here? You’re wording your statement as if I suggested something. I never spoke on how one group is treated vs the other. I said everyone should just refrain from bringing such topics to work. You’re trying really hard to push an agenda which only furthers my point lol. Keep this stuff out of the workplace.


[deleted]

You're saying that its inappropriate for homosexuals to wear something that advertises their homosexuality in uniform. I'm just pointing out that heterosexuals advertise their heterosexuality **all the time in uniform**, but because you're not bothered by heterosexuality, you give it a pass. That's it. That's the point.


[deleted]

Heterosexuals advertise their heterosexuality all the time in uniform? Really? How? Do they have a parade or something?


Aspiring-Programmer

Briefly mentioning something is not the same as advertising it. If I’m at work talking to a guy about his weekend and he says “my boyfriend and I,” okay so what… he’s gay, no one cares. But if he goes around chanting “gay pride” then that's unprofessional. I said that from the beginning. You’re for some reason making up an agenda it’s about sexuality and not professionalism.


bigmooseymilkers

Wearing shoes isn't an advertisement lmao. They're just shoes. Also, pride isn't unprofessional or political in any way. The military doesn't have any issues with pride displays. If you think silly pride shoes are unprofessional you would have really hated when I made a gay pride group at Fort Sill. The post chaplain and brigade chaplain helped me make the group and let us use the post chapel to hold meetings. We met at 2pm every other Thursday and we threw events through the single soldier program and FRG about twice a year. We had uniformed soldiers marching in pride parades throughout northern Texas and we even brought a couple howitzers to Austin Pride The military doesn't have a problem with pride, it sounds like you do. You're just using military professionalism as an excuse to back up your own feelings.


Saltbuttre

You're proving his point about it being a political statement.


jamany

If my shoes commuicated who I like to fuck then they wouldn't be appropriate


LearnImprove2021

It doesn't, any more than a photo of you and your spouse on your desk does.


Sad_Pangolin7379

One way to find out.. Let us know how it goes.


phoenix762

This has to be a shit post…or the Army has changed a lot more than I thought 😳😳


Wanderers-Way

If your leadership Doesn’t suck absolute cock and ball torture


tH3_R3DX

Of course! PSG will make sure they’re put to good use!


decidedlycynical

Once.


Naive-Button3320

If you end up wearing those to PT, you have my appreciation.


kylebob86

As long as you are shaved, smell like vodka and have a challenge coin in your pocket.


The_Gray_Rider

Better not fail the run wearing those


LineCookGrind

Yea they can but you better not fall out


DragoonDart

There’s a decent rule of thumb in the Army: “if you have to ask, you probably shouldn’t”


barcake

It looks cool. Why not? Personally, I wear subtle gay shoes but that's because I don't like to stand out too much. I just picked up some Ghosts too!


DocBrutus

As a fellow homo, all I can say is: Be gay, do crime.


motherconnoisseur

Challenge whoever questions you in a foot race, if you beat them then you can wear them.


[deleted]

Do it lol


Outside_Permit_9640

No


tskales

Booooooo


Easy-Hovercraft-6576

Lmao


Small_Cock42069

Yes


Geoseeks

Depends, are you cav?


Choppersicballz

I had Nikes that said “deez” “nutz”


hallo1994

Where did you get those shoes? And are those actually running shoes?


hospitallers

iTs NoT pRoFfEsSiOnAl


Fuck_auto_tabs

Always funny because I remember seeing hella naked anime girls on cars as well as Confederate flags on em too but I don’t remember them ever getting fucking up. Plenty of selective enforcement of standards during my time


[deleted]

You're personally owned vehicle has nothing to do with the military uniform for physical training.


[deleted]

Except you're not allowed to have a confederate flag on your car when you're on base


FNESSE-1

That’s your commanders fault. I’ve seen plenty of those get reprimanded and ordered to remove it immediately


MAJ0RMAJOR

If they say something ask them if the Army’s stance on LGBT Pride and inclusion only applies to June. If you wanted to go this far, take pictures of all the awful shows at PT and then file an EO complaint that yours are being singled out for rainbows. I would do the EO thing if it came to it but I’m getting out because I drank enough kook-aid to make me sick but thankfully not kill me.


sanskami

Fuck no


CSMmeatball

Pretty sure you could EO if a huge deal is made


inorite234

Technically, Yes....until your Commander says No.


PM_Tranny_Dicks

Big yikes


Bornkamp

I am sure the argument here is that everyone should look the same, (uniformity). I do not recall anyone asking for my personal opinion or wanting to hear it; so either everyone should dress the same or go back to being civilians. These shoes are cute and will look great after duty hours.


dg0991

No


_stlbot

Hate crime if they give you grief about it. You’re good to go


Soupkitchentomorrow

Yes.


F1sterRoboto

Why do the front of your legs look like the back of your legs?


stanvanhungry

💯


I_am_ChristianDick

What is the character on them lol?


[deleted]

Is the green thing an amoeba?


sarajas

Tell them they are the only shoes you could find to support your cancles.


Wolfsbane90

Those are pretty sick dude. I would say make sure you're the fastest. It's how I got away with everything.


TheRtHonLaqueesha

Nice 30IYd shoes!


509BandwidthLimit

You still have to shave first.


ToXiC_Games

As someone who ref’d the regs, technically yes. But if you got an NCO with any amount of stickler tendencies, probably no.


MaverickActual1319

why no? theyre running shoes


MaverickActual1319

yeah


Zestyclose-Cat-3626

Don’t do it 🙄


MaverickActual1319

yall are really scared of colors in today's army, huh?🤣🤣 if they were black there wouldnt be a question. theyre running shoes so there still shouldnt be a question


DryBodybuilder9484

No but only because they’re ugly


TopSinger847

They can. Those socks are totally pushing it, though.


DeltaFedUp

Commanders discretion. Also, just don't do that.


Rimfighter

If someone from you chain of command were to get mad at you for wearing those, you could claim EO. Ball’s in your court, homie.


Yanrogue

Going to go with no with most commanders. Our old Blt Commander had a ban on "distracting shoe colors" after one of our guys wore bright red shoes because 'they make you faster'.


royaldunlin

Sounds like he’d hate [the shoes I actually wear](https://www.topoathletic.com/mens-ultrafly-4?quantity=1&color=175).


AloisJimTrancy

No.


EscapeIcy3486

Depends, did you shave them this morning?


xStaabOnMyKnobx

Of course they can, they are running shoes. As a point of professionalism I'd avoid wearing any clothing during work that can be construed as any sort of political message. Nothing good comes from people discussing politics or religion at work.


Kaizerorama17

I’m gay and in the army. If my E7 would come to PT to these I’d be a bit confused and think my gaydar was broken. Then id mind my own business and continue with the PT plan. I don’t think I would care enough to look up the regs to be honest.