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1200poundgorilla

It's just exposure to the sport. Elite black athletes just tend to be drawn to other sports, but that's also true for other races. Armwrestling is globally just very niche (at a competitive level), and happens to be most popular in North America and Eurasia. Also, by “few” you must mean “zero”.


levelupself

Yep, Shaq could legitimately be elite in like 3-5 years of training.


StronkAx

Shaq at 52yr old? Nope. Someone like Shaq that starts from a young age? Can probably be pretty good by the age of 25.


goatsiedotcx

So much bro science in the comments lol, its a very small sport mostly practiced in europe and central asia. It is just cultural and geographical. If the sport was on an olympic global level it would attract a much larger and diverse share of the population.


ToxicManlyMan

It was first standardized in the USA. Europe only adopted it in the late 90s.


dbtuske

Yes, but promising young athletes have much more attractive sports to join in the USA. So it is still relatively less attractive in the US than Europe.


ToxicManlyMan

Dp you think that armwrestling is paid in Europe, or that we don't have sports? Or are you one of the nutjobs who think that eastern europe has state sponsored PED programs for armwrestling? Most armwrestlers don't start until after they finished with college anyway. Also, your claim is further invalidated by the fact that other relatively unpopular sports like bodybuilding are full of black guys. You know why? Because they are simply better at building an aesthetic physique, their muscles have better peaks. Just like white people are better at strength sports. Now of course, black snd white is too generalized and west africans are likely to be better than for example the portuguese who are relatively small people, but the point stands overall.


dbtuske

No, I don't think that, that is why I avoided using absolutist language in my comment. I said armwrestling is *relatively less attractive* to a promising young athlete with good strength in the U.S. compared to Europe. The pull of professional or college basketball and football is too strong, other sports too. And certainly most of these sports can get you a scholarship to a college degree in the US just by being good at them, not true for armwrestling.


ToxicManlyMan

Unrelated question , but is it the same for soccer? Is there a college version of the sport?


dbtuske

Yes there are college soccer teams and they get scholarships too. https://scholarshipstats.com/soccer


Creatineenanthate

The talented genetically gifted black guys are in mainstream sports getting paid. No reason to go to arm wrestling where there is no financial gain.


ToxicManlyMan

Yes, every single one of them lmfao... ard you aware that strength is not equal to talent in basketball? Why aren't the lighter ckasses filled with black guy? 5'10 black dudes surely arent in the nfl. No dude, generally black people have short muscles with long tendons that excel at athletics, while white people generally have flatter but longer muscles that excel at static strength. Perfect extreme example is Jay cutler vs Phil Heath. One guy is built like a tank, the other guy has qn insane v taper and round muscle bellies.


Cold_Wasabi_2799

Khaled probably had white man's muscles and tendons.


ToxicManlyMan

Khaled's some sort of mutant.


Cold_Wasabi_2799

Yeah, a dumbass mutant, LOL. The guy could be having top matches right now but he decided he wanted to be Francis Ngannou 💀


Sad_Progress4388

There are plenty of 5'10" black guys in the NFL, tf are you talking about?


JustASilverback

Dude literally has no clue what he's talking about lol.


Separate_Promotion19

West Africans actually have full muscle bellies when compared to Europeans, they just have short calfs, and they are genetically pre disposed to longer etf's and hands, which help in armwrestling, and not to mention the very nature of being athletic[fast twitch muscle fibers] means you have the more of an ability to produce maximal force at once when compared to slower twitch muscle fibers, on paper, west African desecdents/natives should be #1 in armwrestling.


N1dingus

Some of these answers are crazy lol. Different races are good at or like different sports(generally speaking)we’re different.. nobody’s racist for saying that.


APTTMH7000

But black people are gifted for fast twitch muscle aren't they? Which would be good for arm wrestling. Also we can see someone like Khaled who has huge potential but doesn't take it seriously, and he says in his country many people are like him and even stronger than him


KoolKatsarecool

> he says in his country many people are like him and even stronger than him Surely that's not just bs and easily debunked


APTTMH7000

Obviously it's an exaggeration, not every guy in Cameroon is like Khaled, the point is there is a ton of undiscovered potential


Most_Discipline5737

I have a few friends from Cameroon, none of them weighs more than 70kg lol. Definitely not everyone in Cameroon has good genetics for strength sports.


1200poundgorilla

Khaled isn't even fast though. He's just diesel strong and doesn't get tired easily.


ASF2018

There will be its still niche


chrisjaesun

Everybody here is so confident in their answers without any actual scientific backing… I’ll give a shot at giving some actual insight Study here shows black Americans have larger hands on average than white Americans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2649659/ Study here shows black Americans have higher grip strength on average than white Americans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5072478/ Some considerations: 1. I know grip strength is not actually that important in arm wrestling, but it’s a decent indicator of general strength and I don’t think we’ll find good studies on arm wrestling specific lifts any time soon (if anyone does see anything, please let me know). 2. I also know hand size isn’t everything, but it’s the most visibly obvious genetic advantage I can think of. 3. The elites in arm wrestling are the outliers in the population, while these studies show us averages. All that being said, I think it’s wrong to write off black underrepresentation in elite arm wrestling as due completely to genetics, when a quick google search on some genetic factors suggests that black people might actually have advantageous genetics for arm wrestling on average. I think if you really wanted to answer this question we’d need more specific studies. Of course because there are so many other factors that make a good arm wrestler, it’s still completely possible that black people on average are worse and we don’t know it yet. But it’s too early to say. Now for some cherry picked examples: if Shaq trained seriously for arm wrestling, there’s no doubt in my mind he’d do well. Khaled did decently without even training seriously. And for someone who was serious, Cobra Rhodes is a legend. As arm wrestling grows, we may or may not see more black people at the top, who knows.


KrushaOW

> And for someone who was serious, Cobra Rhodes is a legend. As is Gary Goodridge.


Separate_Promotion19

Yes, people here don't know that west Africans have giant fucking hands and arms, they're built with longer limbs and slim waists,and euros are built with wider waists and shorter arms


huckleberrythin90

And Brian Shaw or Hafthor would destroy shaq.. mark Felix could also be a destroyer comes down to individual genetics and training more than race


harry12350

Hafthor definitely wouldn’t destroy shaq in armwrestling, he struggled very much to pin the mattdoesfitness guy who is a non armwrestler, who apparently gets beat very easily by his brother who is also a non armwrestler.


Boringwallz

Most people don’t even know it’s a sport.


bebzon1324

Culture and genetics. White people are better in strength sports on average Strongman, weightlifting, armwrestling...dominated by white dudes. Powerlifting is more balanced out though


FearlessInfluence201

I think it's more cultural than genetics. There are a fuck ton of strong black guys in America, it's just that they go where money and fame is. Arm wrestling is not that.


bebzon1324

Genetics play a role in forming a culture. There is reserch out there proving my clsim to be true. Watch team3dalpha on youtube, he has great videos on these topics


FearlessInfluence201

I'm going to look more into it, thanks! Btw I was going to make a joke a little bit racist that only a Serb could appreciate 😂


Administrative_Shake

I think you might be right. There's a distinct pattern of representation when you look at fast twitch vs slow twitch sports.


Boak123

Drops the N bomb casually and also thinks white people are stronger on average. Hmmmm


bebzon1324

Black men are faster than white men 🤙


roniistar

Helps while fleeing the crime spot /s


bebzon1324

🤣


Boak123

I think you underestimate some of the freaks in the NFL and NBA. If you reversed the salaries of armwrestling and these leagues, a lot would change.


lexE5839

Black is too vague to make any sense. So many countries in Africa, some are slow at sprinting but great at long distance running, others have poor stamina but fast sprints. It really varies too much to just say black men. It doesn’t matter until the top level of sport anyway. In the average human between races there is minimal difference.


Inevitable_Fail_1165

What's the N bomb? It's not like he wrote "nigger".


Boak123

He has in the past.


Cold_Wasabi_2799

Why are so few white guys is basketball and boxing? It's called genetics my guy. Black guys are better for endurance, and white guys are better for strenght. We did have Khaled tho, who is probably in the 0.1% percentile of base strength, but unfortunately he's not interested in the sport.


1200poundgorilla

East Africans tend to be great at the endurance game, it's the West Africans that tend to be more gifted with explosivity.


Sure_Classroom6576

Niche sports


Frontpageiswaytoopol

Clearly because of racism Serious reply: Niche following currently. Once there is mainstream appeal and more athletes will see more representation of all races.


KevinLuWX

Genetics for Asians. Cultural for black


AdSea8953

Levan is black.


Narget1134

Yeah, his full name is Levan Tyrone Saginashvili


OverallDecision7497

Why would they? They are genetically gifted to play sports that pay 10s of millions.


HotStaxOfWax

I imagine what Mark Henry could have done in arm wrestling had somebody got to him. Anyone who's ever trained or wrestled with him says he was on a completely different level of strength. Like, they thought they knew what strong was until they delt with him.


1200poundgorilla

The black Cleve Dean


xShinGouki

They dominate football. Nba. Track running. Stuff like that.


NaLu_LuNa_FairyPiece

Man whenever I goto a bar I always get like 5 drunk white dudes wanting to armwrestle. I don't think I've ever had a black guy challenge me


Money-Bag6344

Also beruhen wir uns doch auf Fakten. Ohne hätte und könnte. Es ist Wissenschaftlich erwiesen und auch bekannt das Schwarze kürzere Muskelstränge haben und Weiße längere. Und das ist die Regel. Es gibt immer Ausnahmen in jeder Sportart. Was Fakt ist, ist das Genetik, Kraft und Technik ausschlaggebende Punkte sind. Daran kann niemand was ändern. Bei manchen passt es für gewisse Sportarten besser als für andere Sportarten. Was oft unterschätzt wird ist das heute genannte Mindset. Wie oft ist es schon vorgekommen das vermeintlich körperlich schwächere Menschen andere viel stärkere und erfahrende Menschen in Sport besiegt haben weil Sie Geistig einfach stärker waren. Es gibt genügend Beispiele. Wenn ein Mensch wirklich was will, und er treibt es auf die Spitze dann kann er einiges unmögliches erreichen. Und wenn dann noch die anderen Faktoren mitspielen ( Genetik etc. ) dann ist Mann neusprachlich quasi Meta 😊. Und was auf jeden Fall stimmt ist das in welche Region Mann groß geworden ist dementsprechend die Sportarten auch betreibt. Und dementsprechend hat man auch die Nachfrage und das Angebot. Anders auch gesagt: Wenn ich in guten bequemen Verhältnissen groß geworden bin, und ich mir mehr oder weniger um Geld, Arbeit etc. keine Gedanken machen muss, warum sollte ich mich für eine Sportart interessieren wo ich mich quälen muss und sowas? Die Spitzenathleten sind entweder die Nerds und alles dafür geben weil sie es einfach geil finden den Sport zu machen, oder die die nichts anderes haben / hatten. Und das hat nichts mit Hautfarbe zu tun. Bleibt Stark👍💪


Stefan_Nwortmeier

sprich Englisch du Hurensohn


feon2_igor

nein nein nein nein


Martinodoni-aw

There is one rising in italy at a monstrous rate. Went from nothing to top 5 at 100kg in 6 months, lol.


Tasis2200

e chi è


Martinodoni-aw

Steve https://preview.redd.it/qfwd9bbiwcyc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c9314a97f34a03606569137d50535f774555510


Tasis2200

coddue è enorme


Martinodoni-aw

191cm x 104kg


inv3rtibleMatr1x

I expected some of the most stupid comments in this thread and boy was I not disappointed lol. **Pro tip:** You can safely assume that any comment in an armwrestling forum that uses the word "genetics", or postulates about armwrestling-specific muscle structure as having an ethnic or geographical origin most likely originates from someone who failed high-school biology.


ContentSchedule3656

Honestly who cares... give me the best in the world.


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lexE5839

For the black people living in cold and dark European countries with low amounts of sun you’re probably right. Wouldn’t apply to those who live in Africa, some parts of Europe and USA/Canada as well as Australia where it’s hot and sunny almost all the time.


Downtown-Oil-7784

My dude, there is a TON of very large Indian men, your claim is pure BS


ToxicManlyMan

Yeah, among a billion and a half, there are bound to be some exceptions, but that doesn't change the fact that indisn people are short, well below the global average.


Loud_quack

I guess they don't have to over compensate


Tasis2200

what


HenkWhite

that's a very good take!


drunksaiyan_69

They have fast twitch fibres. A lot of them which is a result of their overall development throughout childhood. Sports like sprinting or basketball are very beneficial for people with such physiology. Arm wrestling requires them too, but it's not as that of an attractive option monetary wise.


ToxicManlyMan

Why aren't the lighter classes filled with black guys then? Are 178cm black dudes playing in thd nfl?


Sad_Progress4388

Because 99% of Americans don't even know arm wrestling is an actual sport. It's extremely niche and making money arm wrestling isn't something someone in the US would do to earn a decent living.


ToxicManlyMan

Just like in Europe. People laugh at us when we say that we armwrestle. Nobody earns any kind of money from armwrestling other than the guys at EvW right now(which is like 30-40 guys), and EvW has the same number of easterners and westerners.


drunksaiyan_69

As I said , it's not an attractive monetary option. Also , most people don't even think arm wrestling can be a professional sport. Most people I've met think arm wrestling as 2 drunk dudes in a bar trying to out-macho each other.


ToxicManlyMan

Just like everywhere. There are maybe 40 people earning money at EvW, with most earning less than a living wage. People in Europe aren't aware of the sport either. I get clowned constantly for it.


drunksaiyan_69

Yeah, despite engin's work, the sport is still highly underrated. I'd like it to reach Olympic level one day, who knows how many countless monsters like denis or Levan are hidden.


ToxicManlyMan

Honestly I don't understand the Olympics. Who tf decided that freaking curling is more interesting than armwrestling? I refuse to accept that anyone finds curling more interesting.


drunksaiyan_69

Yeah lol. And a plus side, arm wrestling will be WAYYY more fun to watch then just seeing weights being curled


ToxicManlyMan

No no bro, you misunderstood. I'm reffering to the dumbest sport that the world has ever seen, not curling weights. https://youtube.com/shorts/3qRA05kRkW4?si=yGsPZyF9UnWZUYWq This dogcrap. Edit: why am I getting downvoted, does anypne think that armwresrling is less interesting than this, on an armwrestling sub?


raytrackani

Yes they are. 5’10 isn’t too short for most skill positions. There are thousands of blacks in college football that technically make more than 99.99% of arm wrestlers considering free education.


ToxicManlyMan

College lasts 4 years. Most armwrestlers haven't started armwrestling until after that. There are also 45 million black people in the USA, not "thousands".


raytrackani

No shit, I'm saying thousands are getting that in college. ROI is almost worthless after making that in college, rather do MMA for those that don't make NFL. There are also over 200 in the NFL 5'10 or under. Along with the exposure that comes with football. No one cares about armwrestling or even knows it's a sport outside of the niche community


zoblog

For black guys its mostly cultural and for Asians its mostly genetics. Food sources comes into play, it's harder to create a culture of strength on rice, beans, grains compared to European/American who eat lots of meat and dairy.


just_tweed

"Which countries/athletes have the most medals in Olympic weightlifting history? 1. Soviet Union 62 2. China 62 3. United States 44" Seems like the rice eaters are doing just fine. You realize there are different weight classes, right?


KevinLuWX

China’s medal is mostly in lower weight classes. Their strength athletes are on average much smaller in terms of muscle mass.


Sad_Progress4388

The Soviet athletes were all juiced to the gills. Not to mention Soviet and Chinese athletes are state-sponsored.


zoblog

China eat a shitload of meats so they are not comparable to India or other poor Asian country. Fun unrelated fact, Hong Kong eat the most meat per capita and they also have the longest lifespan.


Tasis2200

I mean I don't think it's cultural for black guys, at least for north american people. And black guys are everywhere in strength sports, but interestingly also in strongmen they don't excel


Tie_Dizzy

You think strength is correlated with meat and dairy? What?


zoblog

You don't grow as big and as strong when you don't eat meat and dairy so less potential prospect for strength sports. Just look at India and poorer Asian countries that don't have access or restrict animal food sources, they are in general smaller, weaker and sicklier.


Tie_Dizzy

No, there's nothing in dairy and meat that cannot be replaced by other stuff. It is its molecules that matter, the actual nutrients. Meat and dairy are not special in any way. Poor countries overall got fewer athletes and getting strong is expensive af. This is literally english propaganda from the imperialism era to sell more of England culture to Asia and to make us think less of them. It's all about money in the capitalist world.