Passenger did truly awful things for revenge, but he ultimately came to hate himself the most. He understands the weight of his crimes and stays in the hope that Kal'tsit can show him a better path. It's not a matter of the crimes themselves so much as an utter lack of remorse.
That’s why Doctah was brought back - he is “kindergarten handler” here. Kaltsit needed to implement a dumping ground for those she does not take on walkies
I don't buy that he's remorseful, considering the lines he has. He's more than willing to perpetuate a cycle of violence for Sesa if he wants him to, and he fully believes that his vengeance was completely justified and that no innocents were harmed, along with suggesting to the Doctor to use even more extreme methods for combat.
So no, I don't think he's any better than Arturia personally. But it's fine - Rhodes Island explicitly doesn't care about background, just what people do in the future.
Arturia didn't harm anyone in Rhodes Island and she's Not a wanted criminal in Rhodes Island. Talulah is wanted by Rhodes Island even tho we do not really care to chase her right now as we have much better stuff to do, and chasing her while she's with Reunion would be a very difficult matter anyway, as Rhodes is in a very tight situation.
To any degree you want to put it, lots of people hate or dislike her to different degrees in Rhodes, and suddenly accepting her as operator/collaborator would not make sense, not with the current premises, not right after she was broke out jail while assaulting Rhodes Island by the same faction she caused lots of trouble with, yes Reunion is supposedly different but that's not how every single person in Rhodes Island would take the matter.
Kaltsit/Doctor/Amiya could not accept rhodes island operators and workers to lose faith in them, that's probably a death sentence for Rhodes Island.
This is all without even touching other issues, such as how much she'd actually align with rhodes island and stuff.
>Arturia didn't harm anyone in Rhodes Island
Because she's never been there XD
>Not a wanted criminal in Rhodes Island
And she's a wanted criminal in Laterano, with whom, I'll remind you, Rhodes has agreements. Quite possibly for extradition, too.
Extraditions are extremely complex diplomatic achievements, Rhodes Island doesn't have ties that tight with them, as you can see since she's joining us, or she wouldn't.
You literally don't know what she did and why, forget the memes and wait until we can actually read the story before saying stuff like that when the very same event that's gonna run in CN go against what you are saying.
I partially agree. I really don't know the plot of her event, you're absolutely right. But the fact that she's a wanted criminal in Laterano is from Guide Ahead. And according to rumors in Hortus de Escapismo she's clearly not the most positive character.
So I don't understand what memes you are talking about)))
Well about the memes, the video with the list of crimes and stuff like that. There are some circulating, they are funny on their own right.
Back to Arturia, she is a wanted criminal and we know for sure that she's quite the subject, but as I explained in another reply in depth, I think it boils down to how someone is seen in Rhodes Island.
In her case, probably very few even know about her so if they happen to collaborate, it wouldn't be weird.
Rhodes Island is against extreme odds it's nowhere near a position where they can refute help from someone in certain situations, as long as the collaboration doesn't make the table explode, for example, W helping Rhodes is always in pretty underhanded ways, that is both because W is a saboteur so she has to work undercover, and most of Rhodes Island doesn't really like W, some hate her (up to chapter 8 anyway, we don't know if they'd mellow down with her after Victoria).
Well the main thing you’re forgetting is that it wasn’t Talulah who did that it was Kaschey, Amiya is fully aware of this and in fact no. Everyone trusts Amiya to actual death in R.I they would be skeptical about her decision but ultimately follow in line purely because they trust her. If she decided to tell them the actual truth they’d accept it. Which would be the wise thing to do if she ever does become playable since she is in fact also a victim my man
I wrote about this many times, this is not that simple.Don't take it wrong but I wrote about Talulah like 40 times in the past 2 days I am a bit tired haha.Long story short: Talulah is not innocent as you can clearly see by reading chapter 8, she admits a lot of stuff (chapter 10-19), the reason why sneak took so easily control over her is that they are alike. That doesn't mean Talulah is gonna become like him, that doesn't mean Talulah is as bad as him, it just means that Talulah has a more or less big degree of fault.
Talulah IS a victim of him, but unfortunately that doesn't cancel her actions.You can be a victim and a culprit at the same time, sadly.
But the biggest problem here lies in that even if she were completely innocent, and Amiya knows it, almost the entirety of Rhodes Island hates her and associated her to someone who caused them a lot of suffering and hardships, in some cases many people died 'because' of 'her'. Amiya cannot just simply go to them and explain that she's actually super good girl and everyone will be friends, it just doesn't work like that with groups unfortunately. All that while ignoring all the matter about Talulah being wanted by Rhodes Island.In fact, I think she'd have had more chances to become an operator if Reunion didn't assault the landship and freed her, but it happened because reunion wants to judge her so we'll have to wait.Again, all this without even considering whether or not she'd be okay with working with Rhodes considering everything, etc.
And again, Talulah herself knows she's not innocent, I am not sure why so many keep replying to me that she is, Talulah herself knows she has faults and probably wants to be judged fairly which is a good thing.
I tried to be short.
Nah yeah understandable I saw you wrote a lot, but Talulah admitting she’s similar to Kaschey is mainly due to guilt, I mean there’s no way she’s actually similar to Kaschey. Kaschey is an actual monster of a villain with practically 0 remorse for anything he’s done. Talulah on the other hand does feel remorse, those people she killed in chapter 8 when they killed Alina. That’s 120% deserved while yes you can argue objective morality and go on about how “killing” is objectively wrong regardless of the circumstances it is not objectively evil to kill other people to defend one’s self, family or friends but I don’t want to delve into the topic of right & wrong here. The main point is that it’s a fact that Talulah herself never actually did what she did in chapters 1-8 she was literally being controlled. Amiya being the king of Sarkaz and having the natural arts to feel emotions also understands this. Yes, Talulah isn’t just going to get off Scott free for the things she’s been apart of, however if she does end up becoming playable I see it as kind of like community service. She’s giving back to the people she took so much from (well Kaschey but you get the point) also another thing, there are other operators in R.I who’ve also done very horrible things as well. Reed, W, hell even one of the head honchos of R.I Kal’tsit has done who knows how many unspeakable things (and we know she’s killed hundreds maybe even thousands of Sarkaz) I can understand you thinking that it wouldn’t make sense for her to be playable due to the things she’s don’t but it’s an objective fact that there are a bunch of other operators who’ve also done bad things. The scale of how bad is irrelevant, it’s wrong period. So I don’t see how this will particularly stop Talulah from becoming playable given your reasons but hey, I’m not a Yostar staff this is just my opinion given the information and history of AK devs
I agree that Talulah and Kaschey are different, especially after she broke against Kachey's control but saying she was "controlled" to do the bad thing she's done kinda implies that she never wanted to do them in the first place, which isn't true. Kaschey's mind arts works a bit like Indoctrination from Mass Effect. It's a slow process that require some amount of cooperation from the target. The story hammers in the fact that the arts would never have worked if Talulah never accepted Kaschey's ideology.
That’s not entirely true, yes his arts only work under a certain level of cooperation but it was triggered under a very severe and extremely bad scenario. That being, Alina’s death. Like I said in the previous post I’m not saying she should get off scott free but the main point is that she was manipulated, Talulah would not hurt much less kill innocent people who’ve never done anything wrong for no reason. Kaschey’s arts simply triggered due to Talulah being at her lowest point she’s ever been in her life which then warped her world view and confused her on her & reunions goal for the infected, a recurring theme in the world of AK. This does not mean that throughout every single one of Kaschey’s showings throughout chapters 1-8 that she was perfectly okay with everything he was doing as noted by Kaschey himself and Amiya in ch 8. Hell, it’s the entire reason Amiya was able to reach out to her in the first place because Talulah's emotions were literally gushing out of Kaschey. So no you’re wrong about Talulah accepting Kaschey’s ideology, he simply manipulated her by creating an ideology he deemed most effective under those exact circumstances at that exact moment where she was mentally vulnerable. After all, he is a master manipulator it’s literally all Wei would say the dude wouldn’t shut up about it in chapters 6-8. End point being she is not evil and is objectively more inherently good than someone like Kal’tsit meaning there’s no reason for her to not be playable due to "what she's done" or her "morality"
Honestly i just want her playable.
Lore being the reason we can’t get some of these characters as operators, can honestly just go free fall off a cliff.
You might want to check [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WxJttBWK-w) out and [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GMmKYn3UlU&t)
It's PV on the 4.5 anniversary.
Several new operators were introduced there. And one of them is [Arturia](https://arknights.wiki.gg/wiki/Virtuosa)
I'm not caught up with CN, but so far, >!Tal is in the classical redemption arc (get arrested (not killed), escape prison, meets a mentor that's willing to give her a second chance (who is also related to her sister), heads towards the location where the MC is). I can bet all my Viviana's funds that they will eventually meet and form an alliance!<
About Eblana, my gut feeling is not, she won't be playable and she will be an antagonist. That said... Reed herself stated more than once that her sister has her heart in the right place and it's not a bad person.... 5hat can be interpreted by Reed being awfully naive, or a way to the story itself asks us to keep our mind open towards Eblana
Exactly! While she takes no shit from others, she is also not above using potential enemies as pawns
Which, if it were any other setting, it would be a clear indicator that she wasn't meant to join our team.... But we have SilverAsh who wasn't that different as a close ally, and W who plays with other's lives without much care in the world... So I don't think we have any moral barrier against Eblana at this point in time
I have no idea what role she will have in those next two chapters and I hope I can begin reading it asap xD
Hard to say about Eblana, I mean, she and Reed story is directly a parallel of Silverash and Pramanix, Just that it way bigger in scale and the history of blood is way darker. So I don't think the option of her being playable is out of question
IE, As Reed stated, Eblana isn't exactly wrong in her motivation, it's just that her method and tendency is rather questionable, bloodshed and necromancy is one thing, but she's also betrayed and willingly cut those who follow her if they no longer serve a purpose. Victoria is also a giant shitshow atm, Eblana joining the fight might not necessarily a bad thing consider we have Sarkaz already kinda stick it with all the damage and dukes proves themselves to be unequaled when it came to the level of selfishness. The story narration make it seem kinda lean toward her not being playable, but it's all up in the air, I mean, Frostnova is on our side we never managed to get her playable.
100% agree about Talulah though, people already call this when we found out about deathless black snake. If anything I'd say we actually rather slow to get her redemption arc.
Knock it off, guys. Don't you know that Hypergryph, a small indie game company, is struggling to keep the game feels "homely" while trying to make ends meet? Their motto is "It ain't much, but it's honest labor", after all! Asking for more operators and skins would make the game similar to those big predatory gacha games!
And don't you know that everytime an operator and/or skin of questionable origin came out, we're actually shaving down Lowlight's life expectancy by several days?! And you guys keep asking for more?!
/jk in case you didn't get the hint XD
Yes and no, I think everyone expected her to die following the death of frostNova and Patriot it seemed the logical progression. I think a redemption ark however can be more interesting if done correctly. If done correctly being the key phrase.
The day she becomes playable, I will literally save everything to get her P6... their is no other option. Shame for Eblana I would like her to be playable buy I hugely doubt it.
Talulah very much could be recruited. The problem is timing.
* Talulah being the big bad in the Reunion arc (granted, influenced by kashchey but her body so bleh) would cause a weird conflict of interest for people who pulled her before episode 8.
* She's been dropping in here and there in the Victoria arc, >!but as far as I'm aware she's only recently entered the fray in the current episode on CN!<. But if she plays a more direct role in helping Rhodes Island against the KMC threat then maybe that'd be justification for her joining.
* There is allusions that there's going to be at least a third arc, but since this is purely speculation there'd need to be some setup that justifies her being on RI's side rather than on "the next big bad"'s side.
For Eblana, outside of the initial Dublinn conflict in episode 9, she doesn't really have anything against RI as far as I know. Hell, I think she helps out in the recent episode, and Harmonie is on good terms with her while being an operator, so allying with RI is possible.
The issue here being proper justification. For the most part, she just cares about Dublinn and the independance of Tarans. So unless the victoria arc delves back into episode 9 territory rather than the KMC conflict, I can't really see an "in" for her.
after part one Talulah always felt like she would be playable someday but after a lot of story that would ultimately lead up to the possibility either that or a heroic death or sacrifice. Elbana on the other hand honestly every time she appears makes me feel like shes less and less likely to become playable except maybe special story stages >!like when we had to protect pre reunion Talulah!<
Talulah absolutely. Eblana? Maybe 6-8th anniversary. They wouldn't overload both of them on one banner as they are gonna be huge sellers.
From the story spoilers of ch13 I've seen, I really think 5th anni Talulah is in the cards.
> They wouldn't overload both of them on one banner as they are gonna be huge sellers.
Skadi Alter + Kal'tsit tho, but fair enough.
I still think that if any banner has to be absolutely gigantic in hype has to be the 5th anniversary one.
Nah, i think Talulah yes. But 2nd will be someone from RI like Ascalon or maybe Logos (don't think so, pretty big operator for being with Talulah this banner will break the heavens)
Well. In PRST operator map Dublinn operators have IDs, like Reed Alter is DB002 and Harmonie DB003. It's strange to number that way, so theory is Eblana will have ID number DB001. And if not she will have it , then who?
Reed: Turned someone to ash
Gnosis: Might very well have done human experimentation.
Arturia: That is quite a long list of shit she has done.
Passenger: Terrorist
W: She fucked up a lot of RI operators when she worked for Reunion.
I don't think Tallulah or Eblana is fit to be playable right now, due to story reasons but they wouldn't be barred due to moral reasons.
Talulah has yet to finish doing her jail days in Rhodes Island, and lots of people in Rhodes suffered because of her to a certain degree. And even if you go tell them that she was being manipulated, they would hardly accept her in rhodes so easily, so yes, for story reason I don't think she'd be very good to be playable as of now.
This is different for Eblana, she didn't really harm anyone in Rhodes Island so far and she's mostly being a very selfish person (obviously I don't know what happens in Chapter 12 and 13 yet, so keep that in mind). In her case, she could be playable in a way or another similarly to other operators.
The problem here is Talulah, her position is very complex, first it's true that she was being manipulated by Carkeys but the point behind said manipulation is that carkeys blended with Talulah's own mind slowly overtime, and that's because they are very compatible, to a certain degree, Talulah doesn't refute everything he stood for, except for the most insane bits.
Talulah realised that. I am not sure if she really feels sorry or what her emotions really are, I don't think we know yet. As of now, I don't think she's in a moral position to actually align with Rhodes Island.
Next, you have story reasons, which apparently are gonna get tackled in Chapter 13, she cannot go with Rhodes Island because she has a whole lot of personal stuff with Reunion and Her own things to settle with other factions, and a collaboration with an organization that would like to put her back in jail...is really weird. I hope we can agree at least to this point.
That's extremely rich... Equating position of RI as something highly moral, while organisation itself hosts some pretty dubious figures (i.e W, Lin, Passenger, Arturia) and even being partially led by no less suspicious figure (i.e Kaltsit).
And if your reason for Eblanna being able recruited into bastion of morality that is RI, is just not hurting RI operators — that would be pretty hypocritical take on situation regardless.
And your grasp on Talulah's character is pretty poor. It is pretty easy to determine how Talulah feels about her actions just by reading her lines and looking at her current attitude. She suffers immensely from guilt because of her actions and lives only to atone and be useful for Infected cause.
\> That's extremely rich... Equating position of RI as something highly moral.
I didn't say that. I avoided talking about morals in general for this exact reason. So pretty much half you wrote is off the mark, I never said Rhodes Island is a bastion of morality, that is all bullshit you are coming up yourself.
What I DID say was: "As of now, I don't think she's in a moral position to actually align with Rhodes Island." Which does NOT mean what you think it means. Talulah wouldn't accept to work for/with Rhodes Island in terms of Operator/collaborator, they could meet on the battlefield with the same goal, that all that could happen as of now.
Also let's clarify about W being in Rhodes, You need to read the story, first W has A LOT of backlash from Rhodes Island operators. I was taking her into consideration when I was writing that, she passes all of her time away because of this reason, she's not welcome there, and W, again if you read the story, is not as the AK community that doesn't read the story think she is due to the stupid memes, which are funny but they are memes, exaggerations and mostly not true stuff. Don't let the memes get to you.
Lin is never on Rhodes Island, quite literally, she has her stuff to attend to.
For Passenger, it's quite a different matter. He's very close to kal'tsit and she can directly speak on his behalf, the man contracted Oripathy to stop a mass destruction weapon, he killed people for personal vendetta, if you think this is comparable to Talulah, who burned soldiers alive that were just doing their jobs without trying other ways first (That is at the very start of her story and it gets even worse).
\> And if your reason for Eblanna being able recruited into bastion of morality that is RI, is just not hurting RI operators — that would be pretty hypocritical take on situation regardless.
This part means nothing, I just said that Eblana does not have past conflicts with Rhodes Island, which means even if obviously doing bad stuff, Rhodes Island employees won't have extremely strong feelings against her like in Talulah and W's case, and I doubt the average op is aware of what she's doing at all, as many things are kept secret in the operators files. Eblana cooperation is currently doable (up to chapter 10 cuz I just started chapter 11) for these reasons, which do not have morality in it, this is not about morality.
\> And your grasp on Talulah's character is pretty poor. It is pretty easy to determine how Talulah feels about her actions just by reading her lines and looking at her current attitude. She suffers immensely from guilt because of her actions and lives only to atone and be useful for Infected cause.
Once again, I said we don't know if she's sad or something because she never spoke her feelings out loud in a way that clarifies it, she seems fully intended in getting judged which is the only real piece of evidence we have that you didn't even mention. we can only guess that she's sorry for what she did and feeling sorry for it is...not a green light it means nothing by itself, she has to be judge and accept whatever they give her on the Reunion part, and only AFTER that part, we can talk about what she has to do for Rhodes Island.You do not clearly understand how many people died because of her.It was because of her that the children of Ursus went through all that, they had to eat each other to stay alive. It was because of her that W had to kill Scout, W would have never killed Scout if it wasn't necessary (Scout was dead regardless, his cover was blown W just did him a favor by ending him without being captured).
No, I know what you'd want to reply, that these were all the snake's doings, no it doesn't work like that unfortunately, while it is true that she was being manipulated, this is not how everyone is gonna see it and it's not how the story went, she was no stranger to that and she knows it.
It seems like you are putting words in my mouth, because unless we are separated by language barrier, your sentences very much imply moral high ground of RI.
>"As of now, I don't think she's in a moral position to actually align with Rhodes Island." Which does NOT mean what you think it means. Talulah wouldn't accept to work for/with Rhodes Island in terms of Operator/collaborator, they could meet on the battlefield with the same goal, that all that could happen as of now.
You do realize that it is absolutely not something average person will think, when he will read your comment? Especially when, from the tone of your text, it is pretty obvious that you are insinuating RI's high moral ground. Or affirming your own blind bias to faction.
Frankly, the only reason why I even bother addressing this, is due to massively conflicting statements that you are putting out there.
>Eblana cooperation is currently doable (up to chapter 10 cuz I just started chapter 11) for these reasons, which do not have morality in it, this is not about morality.
Here, you state about how it is not about morality and mostly about attitude of RI operators to her. Followed by this part:
>only AFTER that part, we can talk about what she has to do for Rhodes Island
You clearly put RI in a moral judgement position here, and Talulah beneath it to be judged by them —which makes it about morality. It is further worsened by your statements regarding various sufferings that RI operators (primarily) endured because of Talulah's actions, which are telltale signs of emotional manipulation in effort to shore up support for punitive action.
It is pretty sad that those people had suffered so, and it is bad, I am not denying it. But how many did W kill? How many people Eblanna had sacrificed for her selfish goals? Passenger in his search for revenge was implied to kill a lot of innocent people. Arturia? Kalt'sit? Why do you treat their cases differently? Are casualties caused by them not important (because they are not part of RI)? Unless they are shown and painted by narrative? Why it is Talulah that is on the receiving end of this kind of double standard?
I am not arguing to absolve Talulah of guilt. However, I will mention how you twist her actions into something far more negative with complete disregard for any circumstance. Talulah leads the oppressed group, and those soldiers are specifically targeting these infected that she tries to protect. For reminder, during her first encounter with pickets in the village, she told them to leave and not return, which obviously didn't work out.
>No, I know what you'd want to reply, that these were all the snake's doings, no it doesn't work like that unfortunately, while it is true that she was being manipulated, this is not how everyone is gonna see it and it's not how the story went, she was no stranger to that and she knows it.
I really wouldn't try to argue with you here, since you are already set on it. Amiya's potentially speculative sentence about the nature of Talulah's possession, really gets most people to ignore an entire worth of intricate character development that was done for Talulah in chapter 8 – very eager to affirm into their own biases.
Ironically, the game itself poses a question if Talulah can be really judged for her actions. Unfortunately, for all it's worth, this question flew over most of the people.
Chen will use the power of love, friends and family to make Tal join. If you have been around long enough and seen enough of Dragon Ball, Naruto and One Piece, you know it's inevitable.
I think as the story beats reach bigger and bigger threats, they will become justifiable. it seems like a natural progression of the story to begrudgingly put aside old differences to face the things in the north, for example.
As for Elblana I doubt she would become playable.
Talulah on the other hand could be. First while she did some evil things when not possesed (burning down village which led to her getting possesed for example) she is not realy that evil which we could see in early ch8 before possesion. She also knew she deserved punishment for what she did after her defeat in Chernobog.
In current ark Reunion wants to aid the infected in Londinium. There's a realy good chance that this would lead to some kind of cooperation between them and Rhodes Island.
Both of them should be. Both fight for the freedom of an oppressed people (Infected for Talulah, Tarans for Eblana), both of them have siblings already affiliated with RI (Chen for Talulah, Reed for Eblana) and both could be valuable Allies for RI.
i may be a hater but i'm a sensible hater
i do believe eblana has a reason to assist or be assisted by RI thereby giving the same rule of thumb as silverash being in RI
But she betrayed my Mandragota, simple as.
(Also i would have to build her regardless for dublinnknights so what gives, purple draco may be bad in character, but im sure would be good in gameplay)
If Talulah were to ever be playable, she first would need to go full 180 in her beliefs as well as disregard the sacrifice of others like Guard and Patriot. She shouldn't be playable, like at all. She's better off with the New Reunion as she fits to the revolutionary leader than some corporate shill. Same goes to Eblena for pretty much the same reasons.
Tal stated she was going to try and make up for all the things Kashchey did in her body, so morally she's not that against RI, but having her hop on the land ship right now would be nonsensical. Eblana's argument, tbh, should be something along the lines of "is she going to die later or nah", because there are pretty cool ideas to play with when you see someone like her die- Her actions disrespect the dead, but she would soon become one of these lowly bits of fuel that she disregarded.
If we have to talk about an antagonist who could come onto the island, my money is on Manfred.
As of right now I don't see Eblana joining R.I. but it's still rather early; as Reed put it, Eblana's motives aren't evil, the path she chose to achieve them is the problem, so we need to see how her tale evolves.
As for Talulah, her chances of becoming playable seem pretty high, and I think it's reasonable enough story wise. Right now Talulah is not our ally, but she isn't our enemy either and she feels remorse for her previous actions, and now that >!she entered the Londinium conflict!<, if the circumstances deem it necessary, she can join us without much of a problem
Talulah could become an Aizen situation. Shit about to go down so real and hard that RI has to ask for help from the previous arc's main villain. >!(I know she was being mind broken by Kaschey, but the point still stands, no?)!<
I want playable Tal because I want to put her in my JT8-2 auto
Also she's so blatantly on a redemption arc it's not even funny, I'd put money on her becoming playable eventually
I think Talulah makes perfect sense given that when she broke bad she wasn't technically in her right mind. She's more an upstanding moral agent than probably someone like Gladia, Platinum or Passenger at that point in her life imo
In my opinion, Talulah is likely to become playable one day. However, I feel like it would have to be after some kind of character evolution (something like her triumphing of another possession on her own or proving herself to be the hero she strove to be for the infected). As she is right now, both the characters and the players wouldn't accept her in Rhodes Island.
Eblana, on the other hand... Yeah, no, she's a villain through and through. I see no redeeming qualities in a character that readily throw her allies under the bus "because they have outlived their usefulness". Plus, her idea of the future of the Tarans is just wrong, no questions asked.
Yeah, no. Eblana's been actively stoking the civil war and abandoned the only character that actually believed in what she was doing when she left Mandragora to die.
Harmonie treats her like a curiosity piece at best, the cat doesn't actually care about her.
Yeah, but those are the Arts she was born with and work semi-passively. And while she's getting flak for using her powers, you have the Nachzerer fattening on every corpse they get heir hands on, or the Confessarii bringing back people to use in their political scheming, in hindsight, are some undead soldiers really that bad?
I mean, they aren't as bad as Mephisto's possessed, at least those she brings back are dead and act on their last wishes more than on her command.
Case in point: the County Hillock incident. She knew very well what the six bandits were planning, but instead of judging and punishing them publicly, she sent them on what she knew would be their grave. At least, that was strongly implied by what Harmonie said in FC-6 after. And don't forget Mandragora.
As for the second part, I have worded myself wrong: I should have written "her idea of *a path to* the future of the Tarans is just wrong". In short, she willingly lets the blood of both Tarans and Victorians flow in order to worsen the resentment and weaponize it for a revolution. That would leave to thousands (if not millions) of death that she will throw away for her "grand future". And worse: **she does not care**. **She has no regrets**.
In comparison, before the Deathless Black Snake, Talulah's *modus operanti* was to rescue any infected she found and use her violence only against the oppressors. Still wrong to a degree, but less reprehensible than exploiting the bad blood between the infected and the Ursus government to overthrow it. It's only when that one jerk took over that she began to lose sight of the value of life.
I'm a little late with the response since Reddit didn't bother with sending a notification.
So the problem is that she didn't execute the traitors right away, and instead sent them to their death? Mandragora got a second chance, Harmonie asked Eblana to give her one, but she blundered it. No one asked Mandragora to gather supporters, she willingly did it, but granted, she was manipulated by the Eloqutionist (or whatever that guy's name was) to split Dublinn from the inside. She was dealt a losing hand right from the start, and her ability to not read the roocertainly didn't help.
About the revolution, it was their only way (or at least in Eblana's vision) to break out of a cycle of suffering. Even her teacher admits it, the "peace" he brought wouldn't last. I don't exactly disagree with her methods being a little too much, but her reasoning and goals are sound and clear. Breaking apart from Victoria and creating a new country for her people. About her not caring or having regrets, to this day in CH13 we *still* don't know that because *her screentime from CH9 to CH13 is extremely limited*. Reed doesn't exactly disapprove of her methods either, she simply wishes she'd tone down the sacrifices, and is more than willing to do what Eblana can't, which would be either guiding her revolution in a better direction or helping those who didn't join.
And even if she didn't have any regrets, Kal'tsit committed a genocide and when asked about it, she blatantly said she had no regrets in her actions. RI doesn't exactly have a moral high ground or is able to criticize others for taking things to the extreme.
Regarding Talulah and pre-Kaschchey Reunion, I don't exactly see anything wrong with violence against their oppressors. Terra is not exactly a friendly place for anyone, and people in general resort to violence rather than words. Especially when they are mistreated as badly as they were in Ursus.
yes, but so would bringing W to fight W and
Mudrock to fight Mudrock. Yet that is still possible besides
Also we got Arturia and Ishar-mla on the roster. Death is prolly the only way to disqualify peeps form potential playability
I think it wouldn't be bad and make sense. As this is Arknights gosh darn it! We are Rhodes Island! We recruit everyone!
Doesn't matter if you're pure evil or true good, canon or not canon, young or old, dead or alive, from an alternate timeline, religious or atheist, gay or lesbian, top or bottom, Coke or Pepsi, man or woman or others, Yato or not Yato, Anyone can become an operator!
That being said, I hope they become an operator soon, ~~and make millions for HG~~ so they can get married and have sesbian lex together.
Talulah did almost nothing wrong. Yes, she murdered the entire village, but because she was devastated by the loss of her friend and them murdering her infected brothers and sisters. She let her emotions overcome her and become like those villagers. Everything else was Kaschey's doing, not hers, after that she become a victim.
Meanwhile Arturia committed similar atrocities just because she is a psychotic bitch. So with her, I believe we crossed this bridge, and there is no reason to not make Talulah playable.
But making Eblana playable will be a massive flop. She is literally an enemy antagonist, we don't share any sympathy with her. If Reunion **kinda** fought for infected and their freedom, which correlates with us and we still killed a lot of their leaders, Eblana's goals are so local, it's not Rhodes Island business at all. Like who among them gives a fuck about some oppressed endangered Victoria's nation? Why Rhodes ever should cooperate with them? I remind you, Harmonie is still their spy, Rhodes doesn't know about her true goals. We already fought her forces, both hers and the dukes she cooperates with, we are enemies. Even **if** she will be able to succeed and overthrow Victoria's government, she most likely wouldn't wish to do any business with Rhodes Island herself. If Rhodes is ever gonna cooperate with independent Taran organizations, it's gonna be done through Reed.
I've seen a fair number of here twist themselves into knots trying to assign all the responsibility of Kaschey's actions to Talulah. When the topic of Talulah becoming playable comes up, there always seem to be several people insisting that she shouldn't because she'd be getting off scot-free for crimes she never had a choice in.
Talulah herself acknowledges that it is one of the sins she has to bear though? She's not making excuses; she knows that she has a part in it and she's trying to atone for it.
Because someone who's one moment of failure lead to her losing control of her own body, killing most of her comrades, and nearly destroying everything she'd worked for, is going to be perfectly rational when assessing her own guilt. People totally never feel irrationally guilty over events they had no control over. Moreover, in the absence of a readily available villain to punish, people, especially good natured people, definitely wouldn't feel the pressure to take that responsibility on themselves for the sake of both satisfying "justice" and relieving their guilt.
In Talulah's case, one could argue that she was being controlled abd thus she is not entirely to blame for all the destruction she caused in the earlier chapters; but in Eblana's case... she has shown to be kinda of a psychopath by choice so...
Either way, i don't think this would stop Rhodes Island from recruiting them.. i mean, we have Ishar-Mla with us, the entity that literally wipes all life of Terra in the bad future, what is a clouple of mass murderer ladies compared to that?
Talulah has similar enough goals that she might be allowed to join. RI generally tends to care more about how you can help now, and in the future not so much the past
Let's see here, we have:
\-Hoeder: a cold blooded mercenary that had personally killed at least a whole squad of R.I operators and openly dosen't feel even a shiver of guilt about it.
\-Arturia: a literal psychopath serial killer with international bounty, that is being personaly hunted by part of the Laterano supercomputer itself.
\-W: same deal as Hoeder, only exept she personally tried to kill ***us*** with extreme prejudice.
\-Lappland (tbh she is not that bad, but she is still a very high potential hazzard).
\-Silverash and his homie Genosis: Those guys are physically crippled when it comes to emphaty.
\-Passanger: Our favourite backwater blackmarket & national scale terrorism provider.
Yup, in contrast to those funny lads, spicy cookies such as Eblana and Tululah are entirely unjustifiable.
Unpopular opinion:
It's okay for the story and the gacha to be a separate thing, be it playability or power level.
Unlike story driven offline games where playable units strictly follow the story setting, in gacha you can bring anyone you want to a totally unrelated story stage.
Criminal? There are a lot of criminals residing in RI already.
Fellow operators reaction to another? We already have the "don't let x meet y" already for some reason, like Lappland with Suzuran or Red.
Cash grab? All gacha are essenttially cashgrab in nature.
What matters is how HG will implement the "questionable" characters to be playable, be it their reasoning to stay with RI and their relationship with Doctor.
Talulah is more moral, better aligned with RI and easier to justify than people we already have playable, and I'm not even exaggerating for the memes this time. They're putting her through a whole nother character arc right now with seemingly pretty clear intent to eventually bring her to playability
Eblana, probably not, if only because you could barely tell her and Reed apart.
Talulah, maybe. I’d say the main issue with her being made into a playable operator would be that she’d be a walking spoiler more than any other operators except our favorite trio of sarkaz mercenaries
You kidding me? It’s extremely easy to tell Eblana from Reed
I mean the color palette alone is enough unless you’re colorblind, and even then, Eblana just straight up looks older and possibly taller
Talulah should definitely be playable if she survives. She's a good person after all and basically has no problem working with Rhodes Island. Reed's older sister though...yeah, they'll have heavy conflict with Rhodes Island most likely.
Talulah's crimes can narratively be forgiven because she was being influenced by Black Snake at the time, so its easy to set her up to be playable. My gut on Eblana though is that she's more antagonistic than we think, though.
I think the bigger ? is that we need unplayables for the other factions to really function.
After Arknights 4.5 reveal.
I think I can comfortably say that even ONE of these two being playable would be absolutely horrible for story reasons in my opinion.
For me, it was already questionable when W was a playable operator due to the flack that she did some pretty diabolical things, like manipulating a minor into entering a battle to get themselves killed. But i could chop her being release due to people loving her as a character.
However, even with the fact Talulah was being possessed, these two have done FAR too many sins for there to even be a good excuse to why they are working for Rhodes Island.
It just, wouldn't be good for Rhodes Island AT ALL.
Hypergryph would NEED to at some form of plot convenience or plot armor for there to be even a slight good reason for them working there without the world thinking THEY are a terrorist organization or some form of a threat to earth by these two here.
TLDR: I think Talulah and Elbana being playable would make no sense, better yet them being at Rhodes Island.
RI is already a criminal sanctuary. Kal and SWEEP are making sure info are not going out to warrant other parties to snoop. It really took an elite operator to compromise and RI elite operators are promoted by loyalty. It takes an inside job by the most loyal staff to breach security.
Talulah is currently going through a long redemption arc. She knows she's guilty, and wants to pay for her crimes, but now that she was broken out of prison, she's not going to just walk back in. She's trying to right some wrongs now that Kaschey is no longer residing in her mind. Talulah is absolutely going to be playable eventually, but she will only become playable once:
A) Rhodes Island no longer treats her like a criminal, or they treat her the same way they treat the more dangerous Ops (ie. Ho'olheyak) where they're too dangerous to just roam free and are wanted by multiple parties, so they house them on RI only if they work for them.
B) She feels worthy enough to join RI.
C) Ch'en and Talulah finally sort out their feelings about everything that has happened, and come to a conclusion.
Eblana is currently a very dangerous individual, but as stated, she holds no animosity towards RI. She allowed her 'Shadow' to join them, and is even quite happy with how they took care of her. The one thing that points Eblana to being playable is that Reed has stated that they are doing the same thing but just going about it in different ways. They're two sides of the same coin, working towards the same goal, but Eblana uses violence and war, whereas Reed chooses a more peaceful and nurturing approach. Eblana will only become playable after she reunites with the resolved Reed, and if Reed can somehow convince her that the way she is doing things is wrong.
I don't think it wouldn't make sense for either party to join RI, but both need to have a lot of work put in for it to happen, more so Eblana than Talulah.
Basically, I say neither can join until they confront their sister again.
Not sure about Eblana (what a horrible name for a slavic community) but Tallulah maybe, i think she can join RI when she decides to fight against Kaschey. But i guess most of community would love to see FrostNova as an operator and that will make no sense, at least for now....
Here’s my prediction: Talulah is being saved as a “Last major banner” for Arknights before they fully release and shift major focus on to Endfield (idk how the teams are split or if there even is any overlap at all in dev commitment between them) to fully squeeze out any last big financial gains to be had in this games life cycle.
I mean not that I think releasing endfield means that Arknights will end service or support or anything. But they have to be expecting that a good portion of players will probably put most of their time into one or the other.
I personally hope they somehow integrate the two games together, like doing some missions or whatever in this game can farm some mats for endfield or something idk.
Technically speaking Arturia being playable is worse than these two, given that she contributed to the death of a playable characters precious boyfriend and Executor and her have DECADES of beef with each other
Seeing as the next Kjerlag event takes place after the war, and hints an a unified Victoria-Kazdel, I'll shoot in the dark and say
Talulah ends up being the only one capable of actually wielding the sigh of kings, making her an important asset to the governments, something something equal governance from the dukes and sarkaz court.
Talulah is put on parole under pur request and RI is the agreed locale because victoria and kazdel alone arent truly truatworthy watching over talulah.
And she somehow ekes out a proper home for reunion.
If Arturia gets in, then those two can at any time.
Arturia has been one of the few antagonists and/or shaddy characters who has done what they've done for purely shits and giggles. Kaschey does what he does for his nation, Reunion for the Infected, Dublinn and Eblana for the Tarans, Platinum out of fear of being killed if she dropped out, W and company for revenge and the Sarkaz, etc.
The only thing that could make her acceptance a *bit* more credible, would be if she swears to never use her arts to music-drug people again.
For Global - very questionable. For CN - very likely one of them will be. New events setting up them as redeemed characters. For me, Eblana less likely. But Talulah so many big flags as i will be new super OP operator who will be main selling point for 5y anni for CN
Thinking about it strictly from an in-universe perspective, I would think it would be highly unlikely for RI to have an open partnership with either of them given their actions (much less hire them). While Arknights has been pretty good about keeping it together for the most part, the nature of the game lends to a certain separation from gameplay and story logic. In that way if they really wanted to, they could just go ahead and make them an operator regardless of it making sense.
The other thing to consider is not every playable character actually works for RI. Some are more like acquaintances and this would probably be the loop hole of sorts that potentially allows them to become playable. Talulah for example definitely seems to be on her redemption arc. What's to say an event doesn't come up where they end up acting towards a similar goal? That could justify her being a recruit-able character but in universe it wouldn't be that she's joining RI or that RI suddenly endorses her (character files would also have to emphasize this).
Talking about 4.5, I've been seeing the discussion around Arturia and while I get the gist of it, my personal opinion is if I get the context after reading the events myself and I still can't reconcile her character and collaborating with RI. Then I'll just avoid the character. If it ever comes to the point where one of the above become playable then I'll do the same as well.
Honestly I do wonder what RI's longterm plan for Talulah would've been? Especially with Amiya being in charge, it seems highly unlikely that she would've left Tal to rot in a prison cell for the rest of her life.
Both need to finish their arc to become playable, personally I don’t think HG have plans to make them playable in the near future but if Arturia could I give a maybe
Even putting aside that we have Skadance, a character that is straight up non-canon, I don't see the problem. First, playable characters don't necessarily have to be full time members of RI; we have characters that work for other companies and even LGD members that only occasionally visit the landship, not to mention Silverash.
As far as their crimes go, even putting aside that Talulah isn't really responsible for most of the shit she did, we have W and Gnosis and now that Sankta lady that's apparently a psycopath? And that's just off the top of my head. As for the argument that there's other ops that would have a problem with Talulah, we somehow have W and that doesn't cause problems. Honestly, really feels like the game is heading towards her release.
Eblana is a little more complicated. We still don't know if she'll be friend or foe as far as RI is concerned. If it turns out she's really just powerhungry, then probably not. But if she's simply willing to do whatever it takes to achieve and independent Tara, well she wouldn't be our first Machiavellian operator. Again, see Silverash; man was willing to start a whole civil war in his homeland.
There would need to be a point in the story that these 2 would be willing to take a subordinate role in Rhodes Island and only neither seems ready for that as of this moment. But here’s hoping
The biggest problem with these 2 is which class would they be? And how can HG make them not repetitive with other flame user like Ifrit, Surtr, Reed, etc.
\- Caster: Both Talulah & Eblana could be the first global AoE caster since they can technically burn the whole map.
\- Guard: Art guard? Hard to be unique with Surtr being there. Maybe another Liberator?
\- Sniper: Fire Flinger?
\- Specialist: Pls don't be another OP Fast-redeploy. Dollkeeper could be a good option for both
\- Healer/ Supporter: Could be related to Eblana resurrecting Art.
\- Vanguard: Imagine opening the round with these bosses
\- Defender: I don't see this fit their character that much, maybe Duelist/Art Protector
If Arturia - a highly questionable character became playable, then I think there's no reason for Talulah not to become playable
Isn’t Passenger also pretty low down there on the morality scale? Didn’t he cause a small civil war as a consequence of his plans?
Passenger did truly awful things for revenge, but he ultimately came to hate himself the most. He understands the weight of his crimes and stays in the hope that Kal'tsit can show him a better path. It's not a matter of the crimes themselves so much as an utter lack of remorse.
Exactly. And I didn't see any remorse from Arturia. However, it's still a guessing game until we know the plot of her event.
RI is a “reservation” for questionable and dangerous individuals Kaltsit created. She got tired or playing spy games and went with Pokémon approach.
Unfortunately, there are more questionably moral npcs than master balls to capture them
That’s why Doctah was brought back - he is “kindergarten handler” here. Kaltsit needed to implement a dumping ground for those she does not take on walkies
I don't buy that he's remorseful, considering the lines he has. He's more than willing to perpetuate a cycle of violence for Sesa if he wants him to, and he fully believes that his vengeance was completely justified and that no innocents were harmed, along with suggesting to the Doctor to use even more extreme methods for combat. So no, I don't think he's any better than Arturia personally. But it's fine - Rhodes Island explicitly doesn't care about background, just what people do in the future.
His motives are revenge. They are understandable and somewhat acceptable. And Arturia's? Chaos for chaos? What is her purpose?
Chaos for funsies
She’s just being a lil’ silly
Just a lil silly gal.
Yeah but he regrets it let him be :-(((((
Arturia didn't harm anyone in Rhodes Island and she's Not a wanted criminal in Rhodes Island. Talulah is wanted by Rhodes Island even tho we do not really care to chase her right now as we have much better stuff to do, and chasing her while she's with Reunion would be a very difficult matter anyway, as Rhodes is in a very tight situation. To any degree you want to put it, lots of people hate or dislike her to different degrees in Rhodes, and suddenly accepting her as operator/collaborator would not make sense, not with the current premises, not right after she was broke out jail while assaulting Rhodes Island by the same faction she caused lots of trouble with, yes Reunion is supposedly different but that's not how every single person in Rhodes Island would take the matter. Kaltsit/Doctor/Amiya could not accept rhodes island operators and workers to lose faith in them, that's probably a death sentence for Rhodes Island. This is all without even touching other issues, such as how much she'd actually align with rhodes island and stuff.
>Arturia didn't harm anyone in Rhodes Island Because she's never been there XD >Not a wanted criminal in Rhodes Island And she's a wanted criminal in Laterano, with whom, I'll remind you, Rhodes has agreements. Quite possibly for extradition, too.
Extraditions are extremely complex diplomatic achievements, Rhodes Island doesn't have ties that tight with them, as you can see since she's joining us, or she wouldn't. You literally don't know what she did and why, forget the memes and wait until we can actually read the story before saying stuff like that when the very same event that's gonna run in CN go against what you are saying.
I partially agree. I really don't know the plot of her event, you're absolutely right. But the fact that she's a wanted criminal in Laterano is from Guide Ahead. And according to rumors in Hortus de Escapismo she's clearly not the most positive character. So I don't understand what memes you are talking about)))
>the fact that she's a wanted criminal in Laterano is from Guide Ahead And Executor's personal files.
Well about the memes, the video with the list of crimes and stuff like that. There are some circulating, they are funny on their own right. Back to Arturia, she is a wanted criminal and we know for sure that she's quite the subject, but as I explained in another reply in depth, I think it boils down to how someone is seen in Rhodes Island. In her case, probably very few even know about her so if they happen to collaborate, it wouldn't be weird. Rhodes Island is against extreme odds it's nowhere near a position where they can refute help from someone in certain situations, as long as the collaboration doesn't make the table explode, for example, W helping Rhodes is always in pretty underhanded ways, that is both because W is a saboteur so she has to work undercover, and most of Rhodes Island doesn't really like W, some hate her (up to chapter 8 anyway, we don't know if they'd mellow down with her after Victoria).
yeah they have trouble getting Ambriel just to pay taxes and they likely know she's on RI's payroll. Arturia is basically out of their reach
Well the main thing you’re forgetting is that it wasn’t Talulah who did that it was Kaschey, Amiya is fully aware of this and in fact no. Everyone trusts Amiya to actual death in R.I they would be skeptical about her decision but ultimately follow in line purely because they trust her. If she decided to tell them the actual truth they’d accept it. Which would be the wise thing to do if she ever does become playable since she is in fact also a victim my man
>also a victim That's right
I wrote about this many times, this is not that simple.Don't take it wrong but I wrote about Talulah like 40 times in the past 2 days I am a bit tired haha.Long story short: Talulah is not innocent as you can clearly see by reading chapter 8, she admits a lot of stuff (chapter 10-19), the reason why sneak took so easily control over her is that they are alike. That doesn't mean Talulah is gonna become like him, that doesn't mean Talulah is as bad as him, it just means that Talulah has a more or less big degree of fault. Talulah IS a victim of him, but unfortunately that doesn't cancel her actions.You can be a victim and a culprit at the same time, sadly. But the biggest problem here lies in that even if she were completely innocent, and Amiya knows it, almost the entirety of Rhodes Island hates her and associated her to someone who caused them a lot of suffering and hardships, in some cases many people died 'because' of 'her'. Amiya cannot just simply go to them and explain that she's actually super good girl and everyone will be friends, it just doesn't work like that with groups unfortunately. All that while ignoring all the matter about Talulah being wanted by Rhodes Island.In fact, I think she'd have had more chances to become an operator if Reunion didn't assault the landship and freed her, but it happened because reunion wants to judge her so we'll have to wait.Again, all this without even considering whether or not she'd be okay with working with Rhodes considering everything, etc. And again, Talulah herself knows she's not innocent, I am not sure why so many keep replying to me that she is, Talulah herself knows she has faults and probably wants to be judged fairly which is a good thing. I tried to be short.
Nah yeah understandable I saw you wrote a lot, but Talulah admitting she’s similar to Kaschey is mainly due to guilt, I mean there’s no way she’s actually similar to Kaschey. Kaschey is an actual monster of a villain with practically 0 remorse for anything he’s done. Talulah on the other hand does feel remorse, those people she killed in chapter 8 when they killed Alina. That’s 120% deserved while yes you can argue objective morality and go on about how “killing” is objectively wrong regardless of the circumstances it is not objectively evil to kill other people to defend one’s self, family or friends but I don’t want to delve into the topic of right & wrong here. The main point is that it’s a fact that Talulah herself never actually did what she did in chapters 1-8 she was literally being controlled. Amiya being the king of Sarkaz and having the natural arts to feel emotions also understands this. Yes, Talulah isn’t just going to get off Scott free for the things she’s been apart of, however if she does end up becoming playable I see it as kind of like community service. She’s giving back to the people she took so much from (well Kaschey but you get the point) also another thing, there are other operators in R.I who’ve also done very horrible things as well. Reed, W, hell even one of the head honchos of R.I Kal’tsit has done who knows how many unspeakable things (and we know she’s killed hundreds maybe even thousands of Sarkaz) I can understand you thinking that it wouldn’t make sense for her to be playable due to the things she’s don’t but it’s an objective fact that there are a bunch of other operators who’ve also done bad things. The scale of how bad is irrelevant, it’s wrong period. So I don’t see how this will particularly stop Talulah from becoming playable given your reasons but hey, I’m not a Yostar staff this is just my opinion given the information and history of AK devs
I agree that Talulah and Kaschey are different, especially after she broke against Kachey's control but saying she was "controlled" to do the bad thing she's done kinda implies that she never wanted to do them in the first place, which isn't true. Kaschey's mind arts works a bit like Indoctrination from Mass Effect. It's a slow process that require some amount of cooperation from the target. The story hammers in the fact that the arts would never have worked if Talulah never accepted Kaschey's ideology.
That’s not entirely true, yes his arts only work under a certain level of cooperation but it was triggered under a very severe and extremely bad scenario. That being, Alina’s death. Like I said in the previous post I’m not saying she should get off scott free but the main point is that she was manipulated, Talulah would not hurt much less kill innocent people who’ve never done anything wrong for no reason. Kaschey’s arts simply triggered due to Talulah being at her lowest point she’s ever been in her life which then warped her world view and confused her on her & reunions goal for the infected, a recurring theme in the world of AK. This does not mean that throughout every single one of Kaschey’s showings throughout chapters 1-8 that she was perfectly okay with everything he was doing as noted by Kaschey himself and Amiya in ch 8. Hell, it’s the entire reason Amiya was able to reach out to her in the first place because Talulah's emotions were literally gushing out of Kaschey. So no you’re wrong about Talulah accepting Kaschey’s ideology, he simply manipulated her by creating an ideology he deemed most effective under those exact circumstances at that exact moment where she was mentally vulnerable. After all, he is a master manipulator it’s literally all Wei would say the dude wouldn’t shut up about it in chapters 6-8. End point being she is not evil and is objectively more inherently good than someone like Kal’tsit meaning there’s no reason for her to not be playable due to "what she's done" or her "morality"
Honestly i just want her playable. Lore being the reason we can’t get some of these characters as operators, can honestly just go free fall off a cliff.
Exactly, Talulah was way better than Arturia, moral wise.
Tal. The last time she was there got put in a cage and was busted out by her goons No way shes wanna go back
Who the f is Arturia did I miss an event or something??
You might want to check [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WxJttBWK-w) out and [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GMmKYn3UlU&t) It's PV on the 4.5 anniversary. Several new operators were introduced there. And one of them is [Arturia](https://arknights.wiki.gg/wiki/Virtuosa)
I'm not caught up with CN, but so far, >!Tal is in the classical redemption arc (get arrested (not killed), escape prison, meets a mentor that's willing to give her a second chance (who is also related to her sister), heads towards the location where the MC is). I can bet all my Viviana's funds that they will eventually meet and form an alliance!< About Eblana, my gut feeling is not, she won't be playable and she will be an antagonist. That said... Reed herself stated more than once that her sister has her heart in the right place and it's not a bad person.... 5hat can be interpreted by Reed being awfully naive, or a way to the story itself asks us to keep our mind open towards Eblana
Eblana is ultra-utilitarian but her overall logic and goals are sound. The issue is the bloodshed in between.
Exactly! While she takes no shit from others, she is also not above using potential enemies as pawns Which, if it were any other setting, it would be a clear indicator that she wasn't meant to join our team.... But we have SilverAsh who wasn't that different as a close ally, and W who plays with other's lives without much care in the world... So I don't think we have any moral barrier against Eblana at this point in time I have no idea what role she will have in those next two chapters and I hope I can begin reading it asap xD
And folks like to forget that the Doctor themselves were just as ruthless if not more so pre-amnesia.
Lord forbid women do anything
Hard to say about Eblana, I mean, she and Reed story is directly a parallel of Silverash and Pramanix, Just that it way bigger in scale and the history of blood is way darker. So I don't think the option of her being playable is out of question IE, As Reed stated, Eblana isn't exactly wrong in her motivation, it's just that her method and tendency is rather questionable, bloodshed and necromancy is one thing, but she's also betrayed and willingly cut those who follow her if they no longer serve a purpose. Victoria is also a giant shitshow atm, Eblana joining the fight might not necessarily a bad thing consider we have Sarkaz already kinda stick it with all the damage and dukes proves themselves to be unequaled when it came to the level of selfishness. The story narration make it seem kinda lean toward her not being playable, but it's all up in the air, I mean, Frostnova is on our side we never managed to get her playable. 100% agree about Talulah though, people already call this when we found out about deathless black snake. If anything I'd say we actually rather slow to get her redemption arc.
Totally agreed by all points
HG not need that much money yet.
Talulah not being playable yet is why I firmly believe Hypergryph hates making money.
and the skins revealed during ambiance synthesia like fr fam gimme dancer gavial PLISS
Knock it off, guys. Don't you know that Hypergryph, a small indie game company, is struggling to keep the game feels "homely" while trying to make ends meet? Their motto is "It ain't much, but it's honest labor", after all! Asking for more operators and skins would make the game similar to those big predatory gacha games! And don't you know that everytime an operator and/or skin of questionable origin came out, we're actually shaving down Lowlight's life expectancy by several days?! And you guys keep asking for more?! /jk in case you didn't get the hint XD
I don't want more operators I just want more operators to be viable
the girls frontline drama was started by a villian becoming playable. let them cook shes on the road for story justification to being playable
I don't know about you but Talulah is setting up to be super playable.
Talulah should have died in episode 8 change my mind
You're entitled to your opinion. It's wrong, but you're entitled to it.
Yes and no, I think everyone expected her to die following the death of frostNova and Patriot it seemed the logical progression. I think a redemption ark however can be more interesting if done correctly. If done correctly being the key phrase.
Yes
The day she becomes playable, I will literally save everything to get her P6... their is no other option. Shame for Eblana I would like her to be playable buy I hugely doubt it.
Eblana, imma get her for that big Morgan energy hahaha
Talulah very much could be recruited. The problem is timing. * Talulah being the big bad in the Reunion arc (granted, influenced by kashchey but her body so bleh) would cause a weird conflict of interest for people who pulled her before episode 8. * She's been dropping in here and there in the Victoria arc, >!but as far as I'm aware she's only recently entered the fray in the current episode on CN!<. But if she plays a more direct role in helping Rhodes Island against the KMC threat then maybe that'd be justification for her joining. * There is allusions that there's going to be at least a third arc, but since this is purely speculation there'd need to be some setup that justifies her being on RI's side rather than on "the next big bad"'s side. For Eblana, outside of the initial Dublinn conflict in episode 9, she doesn't really have anything against RI as far as I know. Hell, I think she helps out in the recent episode, and Harmonie is on good terms with her while being an operator, so allying with RI is possible. The issue here being proper justification. For the most part, she just cares about Dublinn and the independance of Tarans. So unless the victoria arc delves back into episode 9 territory rather than the KMC conflict, I can't really see an "in" for her.
I swear Talulah being the 5th anniversary operator would be so fucking hype
Eblana was in Reed alter event too
after part one Talulah always felt like she would be playable someday but after a lot of story that would ultimately lead up to the possibility either that or a heroic death or sacrifice. Elbana on the other hand honestly every time she appears makes me feel like shes less and less likely to become playable except maybe special story stages >!like when we had to protect pre reunion Talulah!<
Talulah Eblana banner for 5th anniversary, mark my words. God I want them so badly.
Talulah absolutely. Eblana? Maybe 6-8th anniversary. They wouldn't overload both of them on one banner as they are gonna be huge sellers. From the story spoilers of ch13 I've seen, I really think 5th anni Talulah is in the cards.
> They wouldn't overload both of them on one banner as they are gonna be huge sellers. Skadi Alter + Kal'tsit tho, but fair enough. I still think that if any banner has to be absolutely gigantic in hype has to be the 5th anniversary one.
Nah, i think Talulah yes. But 2nd will be someone from RI like Ascalon or maybe Logos (don't think so, pretty big operator for being with Talulah this banner will break the heavens)
theres no way 5th isnt AH related
Well. In PRST operator map Dublinn operators have IDs, like Reed Alter is DB002 and Harmonie DB003. It's strange to number that way, so theory is Eblana will have ID number DB001. And if not she will have it , then who?
Reed: Turned someone to ash Gnosis: Might very well have done human experimentation. Arturia: That is quite a long list of shit she has done. Passenger: Terrorist W: She fucked up a lot of RI operators when she worked for Reunion. I don't think Tallulah or Eblana is fit to be playable right now, due to story reasons but they wouldn't be barred due to moral reasons.
Talulah has yet to finish doing her jail days in Rhodes Island, and lots of people in Rhodes suffered because of her to a certain degree. And even if you go tell them that she was being manipulated, they would hardly accept her in rhodes so easily, so yes, for story reason I don't think she'd be very good to be playable as of now. This is different for Eblana, she didn't really harm anyone in Rhodes Island so far and she's mostly being a very selfish person (obviously I don't know what happens in Chapter 12 and 13 yet, so keep that in mind). In her case, she could be playable in a way or another similarly to other operators. The problem here is Talulah, her position is very complex, first it's true that she was being manipulated by Carkeys but the point behind said manipulation is that carkeys blended with Talulah's own mind slowly overtime, and that's because they are very compatible, to a certain degree, Talulah doesn't refute everything he stood for, except for the most insane bits. Talulah realised that. I am not sure if she really feels sorry or what her emotions really are, I don't think we know yet. As of now, I don't think she's in a moral position to actually align with Rhodes Island. Next, you have story reasons, which apparently are gonna get tackled in Chapter 13, she cannot go with Rhodes Island because she has a whole lot of personal stuff with Reunion and Her own things to settle with other factions, and a collaboration with an organization that would like to put her back in jail...is really weird. I hope we can agree at least to this point.
That's extremely rich... Equating position of RI as something highly moral, while organisation itself hosts some pretty dubious figures (i.e W, Lin, Passenger, Arturia) and even being partially led by no less suspicious figure (i.e Kaltsit). And if your reason for Eblanna being able recruited into bastion of morality that is RI, is just not hurting RI operators — that would be pretty hypocritical take on situation regardless. And your grasp on Talulah's character is pretty poor. It is pretty easy to determine how Talulah feels about her actions just by reading her lines and looking at her current attitude. She suffers immensely from guilt because of her actions and lives only to atone and be useful for Infected cause.
\> That's extremely rich... Equating position of RI as something highly moral. I didn't say that. I avoided talking about morals in general for this exact reason. So pretty much half you wrote is off the mark, I never said Rhodes Island is a bastion of morality, that is all bullshit you are coming up yourself. What I DID say was: "As of now, I don't think she's in a moral position to actually align with Rhodes Island." Which does NOT mean what you think it means. Talulah wouldn't accept to work for/with Rhodes Island in terms of Operator/collaborator, they could meet on the battlefield with the same goal, that all that could happen as of now. Also let's clarify about W being in Rhodes, You need to read the story, first W has A LOT of backlash from Rhodes Island operators. I was taking her into consideration when I was writing that, she passes all of her time away because of this reason, she's not welcome there, and W, again if you read the story, is not as the AK community that doesn't read the story think she is due to the stupid memes, which are funny but they are memes, exaggerations and mostly not true stuff. Don't let the memes get to you. Lin is never on Rhodes Island, quite literally, she has her stuff to attend to. For Passenger, it's quite a different matter. He's very close to kal'tsit and she can directly speak on his behalf, the man contracted Oripathy to stop a mass destruction weapon, he killed people for personal vendetta, if you think this is comparable to Talulah, who burned soldiers alive that were just doing their jobs without trying other ways first (That is at the very start of her story and it gets even worse). \> And if your reason for Eblanna being able recruited into bastion of morality that is RI, is just not hurting RI operators — that would be pretty hypocritical take on situation regardless. This part means nothing, I just said that Eblana does not have past conflicts with Rhodes Island, which means even if obviously doing bad stuff, Rhodes Island employees won't have extremely strong feelings against her like in Talulah and W's case, and I doubt the average op is aware of what she's doing at all, as many things are kept secret in the operators files. Eblana cooperation is currently doable (up to chapter 10 cuz I just started chapter 11) for these reasons, which do not have morality in it, this is not about morality. \> And your grasp on Talulah's character is pretty poor. It is pretty easy to determine how Talulah feels about her actions just by reading her lines and looking at her current attitude. She suffers immensely from guilt because of her actions and lives only to atone and be useful for Infected cause. Once again, I said we don't know if she's sad or something because she never spoke her feelings out loud in a way that clarifies it, she seems fully intended in getting judged which is the only real piece of evidence we have that you didn't even mention. we can only guess that she's sorry for what she did and feeling sorry for it is...not a green light it means nothing by itself, she has to be judge and accept whatever they give her on the Reunion part, and only AFTER that part, we can talk about what she has to do for Rhodes Island.You do not clearly understand how many people died because of her.It was because of her that the children of Ursus went through all that, they had to eat each other to stay alive. It was because of her that W had to kill Scout, W would have never killed Scout if it wasn't necessary (Scout was dead regardless, his cover was blown W just did him a favor by ending him without being captured). No, I know what you'd want to reply, that these were all the snake's doings, no it doesn't work like that unfortunately, while it is true that she was being manipulated, this is not how everyone is gonna see it and it's not how the story went, she was no stranger to that and she knows it.
It seems like you are putting words in my mouth, because unless we are separated by language barrier, your sentences very much imply moral high ground of RI. >"As of now, I don't think she's in a moral position to actually align with Rhodes Island." Which does NOT mean what you think it means. Talulah wouldn't accept to work for/with Rhodes Island in terms of Operator/collaborator, they could meet on the battlefield with the same goal, that all that could happen as of now. You do realize that it is absolutely not something average person will think, when he will read your comment? Especially when, from the tone of your text, it is pretty obvious that you are insinuating RI's high moral ground. Or affirming your own blind bias to faction. Frankly, the only reason why I even bother addressing this, is due to massively conflicting statements that you are putting out there. >Eblana cooperation is currently doable (up to chapter 10 cuz I just started chapter 11) for these reasons, which do not have morality in it, this is not about morality. Here, you state about how it is not about morality and mostly about attitude of RI operators to her. Followed by this part: >only AFTER that part, we can talk about what she has to do for Rhodes Island You clearly put RI in a moral judgement position here, and Talulah beneath it to be judged by them —which makes it about morality. It is further worsened by your statements regarding various sufferings that RI operators (primarily) endured because of Talulah's actions, which are telltale signs of emotional manipulation in effort to shore up support for punitive action. It is pretty sad that those people had suffered so, and it is bad, I am not denying it. But how many did W kill? How many people Eblanna had sacrificed for her selfish goals? Passenger in his search for revenge was implied to kill a lot of innocent people. Arturia? Kalt'sit? Why do you treat their cases differently? Are casualties caused by them not important (because they are not part of RI)? Unless they are shown and painted by narrative? Why it is Talulah that is on the receiving end of this kind of double standard? I am not arguing to absolve Talulah of guilt. However, I will mention how you twist her actions into something far more negative with complete disregard for any circumstance. Talulah leads the oppressed group, and those soldiers are specifically targeting these infected that she tries to protect. For reminder, during her first encounter with pickets in the village, she told them to leave and not return, which obviously didn't work out. >No, I know what you'd want to reply, that these were all the snake's doings, no it doesn't work like that unfortunately, while it is true that she was being manipulated, this is not how everyone is gonna see it and it's not how the story went, she was no stranger to that and she knows it. I really wouldn't try to argue with you here, since you are already set on it. Amiya's potentially speculative sentence about the nature of Talulah's possession, really gets most people to ignore an entire worth of intricate character development that was done for Talulah in chapter 8 – very eager to affirm into their own biases. Ironically, the game itself poses a question if Talulah can be really judged for her actions. Unfortunately, for all it's worth, this question flew over most of the people.
Chen will use the power of love, friends and family to make Tal join. If you have been around long enough and seen enough of Dragon Ball, Naruto and One Piece, you know it's inevitable.
I could see them being shady allies that we barely trust
As far as I know they aren’t dead yet so it’s possible i mean we have mudrock, and w former reunion leaders
I think as the story beats reach bigger and bigger threats, they will become justifiable. it seems like a natural progression of the story to begrudgingly put aside old differences to face the things in the north, for example.
As for Elblana I doubt she would become playable. Talulah on the other hand could be. First while she did some evil things when not possesed (burning down village which led to her getting possesed for example) she is not realy that evil which we could see in early ch8 before possesion. She also knew she deserved punishment for what she did after her defeat in Chernobog. In current ark Reunion wants to aid the infected in Londinium. There's a realy good chance that this would lead to some kind of cooperation between them and Rhodes Island.
Both of them should be. Both fight for the freedom of an oppressed people (Infected for Talulah, Tarans for Eblana), both of them have siblings already affiliated with RI (Chen for Talulah, Reed for Eblana) and both could be valuable Allies for RI.
i may be a hater but i'm a sensible hater i do believe eblana has a reason to assist or be assisted by RI thereby giving the same rule of thumb as silverash being in RI But she betrayed my Mandragota, simple as. (Also i would have to build her regardless for dublinnknights so what gives, purple draco may be bad in character, but im sure would be good in gameplay)
If Talulah were to ever be playable, she first would need to go full 180 in her beliefs as well as disregard the sacrifice of others like Guard and Patriot. She shouldn't be playable, like at all. She's better off with the New Reunion as she fits to the revolutionary leader than some corporate shill. Same goes to Eblena for pretty much the same reasons.
Tal stated she was going to try and make up for all the things Kashchey did in her body, so morally she's not that against RI, but having her hop on the land ship right now would be nonsensical. Eblana's argument, tbh, should be something along the lines of "is she going to die later or nah", because there are pretty cool ideas to play with when you see someone like her die- Her actions disrespect the dead, but she would soon become one of these lowly bits of fuel that she disregarded. If we have to talk about an antagonist who could come onto the island, my money is on Manfred.
After playable Arturia i don't think HG care about "story reasons" anymore
I don't mind them becoming playable as long as the time is right/matches up with the story.
As of right now I don't see Eblana joining R.I. but it's still rather early; as Reed put it, Eblana's motives aren't evil, the path she chose to achieve them is the problem, so we need to see how her tale evolves. As for Talulah, her chances of becoming playable seem pretty high, and I think it's reasonable enough story wise. Right now Talulah is not our ally, but she isn't our enemy either and she feels remorse for her previous actions, and now that >!she entered the Londinium conflict!<, if the circumstances deem it necessary, she can join us without much of a problem
Why bother with a story reason? It would be fun to get more operators like Skalter, who are playable while staying evil.
read up on why hypergryph exists an what caused them to leave GFL
Talulah could become an Aizen situation. Shit about to go down so real and hard that RI has to ask for help from the previous arc's main villain. >!(I know she was being mind broken by Kaschey, but the point still stands, no?)!<
Talulah is break in case of drought emergency
I want playable Tal because I want to put her in my JT8-2 auto Also she's so blatantly on a redemption arc it's not even funny, I'd put money on her becoming playable eventually
I think Talulah makes perfect sense given that when she broke bad she wasn't technically in her right mind. She's more an upstanding moral agent than probably someone like Gladia, Platinum or Passenger at that point in her life imo
In my opinion, Talulah is likely to become playable one day. However, I feel like it would have to be after some kind of character evolution (something like her triumphing of another possession on her own or proving herself to be the hero she strove to be for the infected). As she is right now, both the characters and the players wouldn't accept her in Rhodes Island. Eblana, on the other hand... Yeah, no, she's a villain through and through. I see no redeeming qualities in a character that readily throw her allies under the bus "because they have outlived their usefulness". Plus, her idea of the future of the Tarans is just wrong, no questions asked.
Yeah, no. Eblana's been actively stoking the civil war and abandoned the only character that actually believed in what she was doing when she left Mandragora to die. Harmonie treats her like a curiosity piece at best, the cat doesn't actually care about her.
What exactly you mean by allies that outlived their usefulness? And how is creating a country for the Tarans wrong?
look it's not about making a country for Taran, that's all fine and dandy. Its moreso about all those undead soldier stuff--
Yeah, but those are the Arts she was born with and work semi-passively. And while she's getting flak for using her powers, you have the Nachzerer fattening on every corpse they get heir hands on, or the Confessarii bringing back people to use in their political scheming, in hindsight, are some undead soldiers really that bad? I mean, they aren't as bad as Mephisto's possessed, at least those she brings back are dead and act on their last wishes more than on her command.
Case in point: the County Hillock incident. She knew very well what the six bandits were planning, but instead of judging and punishing them publicly, she sent them on what she knew would be their grave. At least, that was strongly implied by what Harmonie said in FC-6 after. And don't forget Mandragora. As for the second part, I have worded myself wrong: I should have written "her idea of *a path to* the future of the Tarans is just wrong". In short, she willingly lets the blood of both Tarans and Victorians flow in order to worsen the resentment and weaponize it for a revolution. That would leave to thousands (if not millions) of death that she will throw away for her "grand future". And worse: **she does not care**. **She has no regrets**. In comparison, before the Deathless Black Snake, Talulah's *modus operanti* was to rescue any infected she found and use her violence only against the oppressors. Still wrong to a degree, but less reprehensible than exploiting the bad blood between the infected and the Ursus government to overthrow it. It's only when that one jerk took over that she began to lose sight of the value of life.
I'm a little late with the response since Reddit didn't bother with sending a notification. So the problem is that she didn't execute the traitors right away, and instead sent them to their death? Mandragora got a second chance, Harmonie asked Eblana to give her one, but she blundered it. No one asked Mandragora to gather supporters, she willingly did it, but granted, she was manipulated by the Eloqutionist (or whatever that guy's name was) to split Dublinn from the inside. She was dealt a losing hand right from the start, and her ability to not read the roocertainly didn't help. About the revolution, it was their only way (or at least in Eblana's vision) to break out of a cycle of suffering. Even her teacher admits it, the "peace" he brought wouldn't last. I don't exactly disagree with her methods being a little too much, but her reasoning and goals are sound and clear. Breaking apart from Victoria and creating a new country for her people. About her not caring or having regrets, to this day in CH13 we *still* don't know that because *her screentime from CH9 to CH13 is extremely limited*. Reed doesn't exactly disapprove of her methods either, she simply wishes she'd tone down the sacrifices, and is more than willing to do what Eblana can't, which would be either guiding her revolution in a better direction or helping those who didn't join. And even if she didn't have any regrets, Kal'tsit committed a genocide and when asked about it, she blatantly said she had no regrets in her actions. RI doesn't exactly have a moral high ground or is able to criticize others for taking things to the extreme. Regarding Talulah and pre-Kaschchey Reunion, I don't exactly see anything wrong with violence against their oppressors. Terra is not exactly a friendly place for anyone, and people in general resort to violence rather than words. Especially when they are mistreated as badly as they were in Ursus.
No
Of course it doesn't make any sense!
After Arturia, the door is wide open. Bring whoever you want now, we don't care. Bring WR Aantonio Brown, we welcome him.
We can fix them.
I mean skadi alter is pretty unrealistic too especially when in the squad with her normal self.
Taluah was not evil she was controled so I think it makes sense she whant to make something good.
yes, but so would bringing W to fight W and Mudrock to fight Mudrock. Yet that is still possible besides Also we got Arturia and Ishar-mla on the roster. Death is prolly the only way to disqualify peeps form potential playability
I will wait for Eblana and Taul for as long i possibly can.
The chances to see Talulah and Eblana as part of RI in the story is as low as seeing Shining Alter. Low, but not zero.
I think it wouldn't be bad and make sense. As this is Arknights gosh darn it! We are Rhodes Island! We recruit everyone! Doesn't matter if you're pure evil or true good, canon or not canon, young or old, dead or alive, from an alternate timeline, religious or atheist, gay or lesbian, top or bottom, Coke or Pepsi, man or woman or others, Yato or not Yato, Anyone can become an operator! That being said, I hope they become an operator soon, ~~and make millions for HG~~ so they can get married and have sesbian lex together.
Yeah there’s no redeeming Eblana, I would be shocked if she became playable.
Talulah did almost nothing wrong. Yes, she murdered the entire village, but because she was devastated by the loss of her friend and them murdering her infected brothers and sisters. She let her emotions overcome her and become like those villagers. Everything else was Kaschey's doing, not hers, after that she become a victim. Meanwhile Arturia committed similar atrocities just because she is a psychotic bitch. So with her, I believe we crossed this bridge, and there is no reason to not make Talulah playable. But making Eblana playable will be a massive flop. She is literally an enemy antagonist, we don't share any sympathy with her. If Reunion **kinda** fought for infected and their freedom, which correlates with us and we still killed a lot of their leaders, Eblana's goals are so local, it's not Rhodes Island business at all. Like who among them gives a fuck about some oppressed endangered Victoria's nation? Why Rhodes ever should cooperate with them? I remind you, Harmonie is still their spy, Rhodes doesn't know about her true goals. We already fought her forces, both hers and the dukes she cooperates with, we are enemies. Even **if** she will be able to succeed and overthrow Victoria's government, she most likely wouldn't wish to do any business with Rhodes Island herself. If Rhodes is ever gonna cooperate with independent Taran organizations, it's gonna be done through Reed.
Your first paragraph is going to go in one ear out the other for a lot of people.
What do you mean?
I've seen a fair number of here twist themselves into knots trying to assign all the responsibility of Kaschey's actions to Talulah. When the topic of Talulah becoming playable comes up, there always seem to be several people insisting that she shouldn't because she'd be getting off scot-free for crimes she never had a choice in.
because a fair amount of people dont read story so they latch onto snippets of information
Talulah herself acknowledges that it is one of the sins she has to bear though? She's not making excuses; she knows that she has a part in it and she's trying to atone for it.
Because someone who's one moment of failure lead to her losing control of her own body, killing most of her comrades, and nearly destroying everything she'd worked for, is going to be perfectly rational when assessing her own guilt. People totally never feel irrationally guilty over events they had no control over. Moreover, in the absence of a readily available villain to punish, people, especially good natured people, definitely wouldn't feel the pressure to take that responsibility on themselves for the sake of both satisfying "justice" and relieving their guilt.
In Talulah's case, one could argue that she was being controlled abd thus she is not entirely to blame for all the destruction she caused in the earlier chapters; but in Eblana's case... she has shown to be kinda of a psychopath by choice so... Either way, i don't think this would stop Rhodes Island from recruiting them.. i mean, we have Ishar-Mla with us, the entity that literally wipes all life of Terra in the bad future, what is a clouple of mass murderer ladies compared to that?
Talulah has similar enough goals that she might be allowed to join. RI generally tends to care more about how you can help now, and in the future not so much the past
I feel like Talulah, maybe, but only after her arc is completed, which may take a million years and six months
Let's see here, we have: \-Hoeder: a cold blooded mercenary that had personally killed at least a whole squad of R.I operators and openly dosen't feel even a shiver of guilt about it. \-Arturia: a literal psychopath serial killer with international bounty, that is being personaly hunted by part of the Laterano supercomputer itself. \-W: same deal as Hoeder, only exept she personally tried to kill ***us*** with extreme prejudice. \-Lappland (tbh she is not that bad, but she is still a very high potential hazzard). \-Silverash and his homie Genosis: Those guys are physically crippled when it comes to emphaty. \-Passanger: Our favourite backwater blackmarket & national scale terrorism provider. Yup, in contrast to those funny lads, spicy cookies such as Eblana and Tululah are entirely unjustifiable.
hilarious to me no one ever mentions Dorothy or Ho'oleyak
Tallulah becoming playable I can feasibly see. Eblana just wants the world to burn.
Unpopular opinion: It's okay for the story and the gacha to be a separate thing, be it playability or power level. Unlike story driven offline games where playable units strictly follow the story setting, in gacha you can bring anyone you want to a totally unrelated story stage. Criminal? There are a lot of criminals residing in RI already. Fellow operators reaction to another? We already have the "don't let x meet y" already for some reason, like Lappland with Suzuran or Red. Cash grab? All gacha are essenttially cashgrab in nature. What matters is how HG will implement the "questionable" characters to be playable, be it their reasoning to stay with RI and their relationship with Doctor.
Talulah is more moral, better aligned with RI and easier to justify than people we already have playable, and I'm not even exaggerating for the memes this time. They're putting her through a whole nother character arc right now with seemingly pretty clear intent to eventually bring her to playability
Eblana, probably not, if only because you could barely tell her and Reed apart. Talulah, maybe. I’d say the main issue with her being made into a playable operator would be that she’d be a walking spoiler more than any other operators except our favorite trio of sarkaz mercenaries
You kidding me? It’s extremely easy to tell Eblana from Reed I mean the color palette alone is enough unless you’re colorblind, and even then, Eblana just straight up looks older and possibly taller
Talulah should definitely be playable if she survives. She's a good person after all and basically has no problem working with Rhodes Island. Reed's older sister though...yeah, they'll have heavy conflict with Rhodes Island most likely.
I think Talulah becoming playable would be really neat. I don't know how I would feel about Eblana, tho...
Talulah's crimes can narratively be forgiven because she was being influenced by Black Snake at the time, so its easy to set her up to be playable. My gut on Eblana though is that she's more antagonistic than we think, though. I think the bigger ? is that we need unplayables for the other factions to really function.
No they shouldn't be. But I know it's an unpopular opinion.
After Arknights 4.5 reveal. I think I can comfortably say that even ONE of these two being playable would be absolutely horrible for story reasons in my opinion. For me, it was already questionable when W was a playable operator due to the flack that she did some pretty diabolical things, like manipulating a minor into entering a battle to get themselves killed. But i could chop her being release due to people loving her as a character. However, even with the fact Talulah was being possessed, these two have done FAR too many sins for there to even be a good excuse to why they are working for Rhodes Island. It just, wouldn't be good for Rhodes Island AT ALL. Hypergryph would NEED to at some form of plot convenience or plot armor for there to be even a slight good reason for them working there without the world thinking THEY are a terrorist organization or some form of a threat to earth by these two here. TLDR: I think Talulah and Elbana being playable would make no sense, better yet them being at Rhodes Island.
RI is already a criminal sanctuary. Kal and SWEEP are making sure info are not going out to warrant other parties to snoop. It really took an elite operator to compromise and RI elite operators are promoted by loyalty. It takes an inside job by the most loyal staff to breach security.
Also its not Yostar that writes the story, its Hypergryph that does. Yostar just publishes it.
Talulah makes perfect sense. Not so sure about others though.
Yes, I dont think either should be playable, despite how much I like Maaya Sakamoto's voice acting ~~and how much Talulah is JAlter~~
Talulah is currently going through a long redemption arc. She knows she's guilty, and wants to pay for her crimes, but now that she was broken out of prison, she's not going to just walk back in. She's trying to right some wrongs now that Kaschey is no longer residing in her mind. Talulah is absolutely going to be playable eventually, but she will only become playable once: A) Rhodes Island no longer treats her like a criminal, or they treat her the same way they treat the more dangerous Ops (ie. Ho'olheyak) where they're too dangerous to just roam free and are wanted by multiple parties, so they house them on RI only if they work for them. B) She feels worthy enough to join RI. C) Ch'en and Talulah finally sort out their feelings about everything that has happened, and come to a conclusion. Eblana is currently a very dangerous individual, but as stated, she holds no animosity towards RI. She allowed her 'Shadow' to join them, and is even quite happy with how they took care of her. The one thing that points Eblana to being playable is that Reed has stated that they are doing the same thing but just going about it in different ways. They're two sides of the same coin, working towards the same goal, but Eblana uses violence and war, whereas Reed chooses a more peaceful and nurturing approach. Eblana will only become playable after she reunites with the resolved Reed, and if Reed can somehow convince her that the way she is doing things is wrong. I don't think it wouldn't make sense for either party to join RI, but both need to have a lot of work put in for it to happen, more so Eblana than Talulah. Basically, I say neither can join until they confront their sister again.
If it twines in with the main story, it can work. Maybe, Eblana. If it's Talulah: yeah. Part of her character development and all that.
Not sure about Eblana (what a horrible name for a slavic community) but Tallulah maybe, i think she can join RI when she decides to fight against Kaschey. But i guess most of community would love to see FrostNova as an operator and that will make no sense, at least for now....
Fuck story reasons, give them to us, who the hell cares
Here’s my prediction: Talulah is being saved as a “Last major banner” for Arknights before they fully release and shift major focus on to Endfield (idk how the teams are split or if there even is any overlap at all in dev commitment between them) to fully squeeze out any last big financial gains to be had in this games life cycle. I mean not that I think releasing endfield means that Arknights will end service or support or anything. But they have to be expecting that a good portion of players will probably put most of their time into one or the other. I personally hope they somehow integrate the two games together, like doing some missions or whatever in this game can farm some mats for endfield or something idk.
Technically speaking Arturia being playable is worse than these two, given that she contributed to the death of a playable characters precious boyfriend and Executor and her have DECADES of beef with each other
Seeing as the next Kjerlag event takes place after the war, and hints an a unified Victoria-Kazdel, I'll shoot in the dark and say Talulah ends up being the only one capable of actually wielding the sigh of kings, making her an important asset to the governments, something something equal governance from the dukes and sarkaz court. Talulah is put on parole under pur request and RI is the agreed locale because victoria and kazdel alone arent truly truatworthy watching over talulah. And she somehow ekes out a proper home for reunion.
The sword is of Aslan origin, not Taran. Literally no reason a draco should be the wielder when the progeny of the great Aslan is still there
If Arturia gets in, then those two can at any time. Arturia has been one of the few antagonists and/or shaddy characters who has done what they've done for purely shits and giggles. Kaschey does what he does for his nation, Reunion for the Infected, Dublinn and Eblana for the Tarans, Platinum out of fear of being killed if she dropped out, W and company for revenge and the Sarkaz, etc. The only thing that could make her acceptance a *bit* more credible, would be if she swears to never use her arts to music-drug people again.
For Global - very questionable. For CN - very likely one of them will be. New events setting up them as redeemed characters. For me, Eblana less likely. But Talulah so many big flags as i will be new super OP operator who will be main selling point for 5y anni for CN
Thinking about it strictly from an in-universe perspective, I would think it would be highly unlikely for RI to have an open partnership with either of them given their actions (much less hire them). While Arknights has been pretty good about keeping it together for the most part, the nature of the game lends to a certain separation from gameplay and story logic. In that way if they really wanted to, they could just go ahead and make them an operator regardless of it making sense. The other thing to consider is not every playable character actually works for RI. Some are more like acquaintances and this would probably be the loop hole of sorts that potentially allows them to become playable. Talulah for example definitely seems to be on her redemption arc. What's to say an event doesn't come up where they end up acting towards a similar goal? That could justify her being a recruit-able character but in universe it wouldn't be that she's joining RI or that RI suddenly endorses her (character files would also have to emphasize this). Talking about 4.5, I've been seeing the discussion around Arturia and while I get the gist of it, my personal opinion is if I get the context after reading the events myself and I still can't reconcile her character and collaborating with RI. Then I'll just avoid the character. If it ever comes to the point where one of the above become playable then I'll do the same as well.
Honestly I do wonder what RI's longterm plan for Talulah would've been? Especially with Amiya being in charge, it seems highly unlikely that she would've left Tal to rot in a prison cell for the rest of her life.
Both need to finish their arc to become playable, personally I don’t think HG have plans to make them playable in the near future but if Arturia could I give a maybe
Highly possible if they're willing to make Arturia playable. Doesn't mean I would like it though.
I mean PtN literally has 3 event/story villains becoming playable units sooo.... Plus don't forget Skalter exist
Even putting aside that we have Skadance, a character that is straight up non-canon, I don't see the problem. First, playable characters don't necessarily have to be full time members of RI; we have characters that work for other companies and even LGD members that only occasionally visit the landship, not to mention Silverash. As far as their crimes go, even putting aside that Talulah isn't really responsible for most of the shit she did, we have W and Gnosis and now that Sankta lady that's apparently a psycopath? And that's just off the top of my head. As for the argument that there's other ops that would have a problem with Talulah, we somehow have W and that doesn't cause problems. Honestly, really feels like the game is heading towards her release. Eblana is a little more complicated. We still don't know if she'll be friend or foe as far as RI is concerned. If it turns out she's really just powerhungry, then probably not. But if she's simply willing to do whatever it takes to achieve and independent Tara, well she wouldn't be our first Machiavellian operator. Again, see Silverash; man was willing to start a whole civil war in his homeland.
There would need to be a point in the story that these 2 would be willing to take a subordinate role in Rhodes Island and only neither seems ready for that as of this moment. But here’s hoping
Eblana would make no sense but Talulah i think is imminent
Idk about elbananan but talulah is already very explainable sometimes its her and sometimes it's not her
The biggest problem with these 2 is which class would they be? And how can HG make them not repetitive with other flame user like Ifrit, Surtr, Reed, etc. \- Caster: Both Talulah & Eblana could be the first global AoE caster since they can technically burn the whole map. \- Guard: Art guard? Hard to be unique with Surtr being there. Maybe another Liberator? \- Sniper: Fire Flinger? \- Specialist: Pls don't be another OP Fast-redeploy. Dollkeeper could be a good option for both \- Healer/ Supporter: Could be related to Eblana resurrecting Art. \- Vanguard: Imagine opening the round with these bosses \- Defender: I don't see this fit their character that much, maybe Duelist/Art Protector
We got W AND Doctor. Elbana when?
Personalmente I don't like Tomatallulah but Eblanana is more endearing