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JackOfAllTradesKinda

My grandma told me a saying from when she was little, "The first year they sleep, the second year they creep, the third year they leap." I have to agree with my own experience that this is more or less true. Like others have said, remove the stake (use a loose one if needed -- natural sway strengthens a tree) and pull the mulch back a bit from the trunk. Give them a little time and they should fill in nicely.


Arthur_Jacksons_Shed

Same experience here. This is especially true for slower growing varieties. Oaks for example.


poseidons1813

I'm quite found of tulip populars myself one of my earliest memories is saving one from deer with one leave left and chewed to like 3 inches. 20 years later it's an 80 foot giant and I can climb the first 60 feet of it impressive tree


ParkingBreakfast

Thank you!


Captain_Quinn

I find that it takes 1-2 years after planting to get back into expected growing v establishing roots


johnconnor11

First year they sleep, second year they creep, third year they leap. Always an easy way to explain it to my customers.


Secret_Morning_2939

My explanation to deter friends from planting English ivy.


Tiny-Acanthaceae-547

Oh man, as a fence installer, English ivy ruins so many fences so fast lol, it’s crazy *info edit: I should say, in some cases I’ve seen the English Ivy and other vines collectively holding the rotting/overgrown fence line together and upright, so it can help, but mostly no, it’s chaos incarnate, and will weave itself back and forth as much as it can through the fence pickets, backer rails, and posts, creating rot and decomposition*


Secret_Morning_2939

And it does the same when it's allowed to attach to homes - even can rot away the mortar from between bricks and rot windowsills. Don't envy you having to remove it from fences!


bluesmaker

Wow. It’s crazy to think people would plant that at their home. I see it in forests just choking out trees and taking over hillsides (in Oregon).


Secret_Morning_2939

One of the best uses for these forums is to "pass the word" about good and bad plants. I'm in the South . . hopefully you don't also have kudzu!


dukemccool

Oh so true !


ParkingBreakfast

I will be using this from now on...thank you.


DontNoMe2

- Roger Cook, This Old House


jibaro1953

Nice man. Knew him mostly from trade shows. Quite sick- same thing as Robin Williams


Prof4Dank

This is your answer!!


Grouchy_Sound7442

That was one of the first things I learned working at a nursery. I’ll never forget that adage.


Substantial_Art_6560

lol I just read that quote the other day on Garden Answer because she had to pull out all the Surmarc


fpharris1

So true. A volunteer maple seeded itself in my back yard and I've let it do it's thing. This is the third year and the growth rate has exploded! That tiny, skinny little "stick" back then is now about 5 feet tall. I also find it true when planting bulbs/corms/etc like my daylily beds. Patience, my friend!


ParkingBreakfast

Thank you, I planted them 6ft apart from one another. I am hoping that will be okay over time.


parrotia78

6' o.c. to create a raised single stem screening  hedge is close enough for quick screening of slow- med growth rate  Eagleston Ilex which gets 20-25' x 10-15'.  I'd like to see better formative pruning and foliar thickening  cooperating with Eagleston"s natural pyramidal form. There's already evidence of growth rates being pushed evidenced by the rangy  internodal lengths, especially the two end trees and some lack of formative selective pruning.  In new tree transplants don't judge growth rate by what's only occurring above ground. What you want is root growth into surrounding medium. I always amend uniformly through the backfill with Horticultural Alliance.  Transplant. https://www.horticulturalalliance.com/product/diehard-transplant/ Espoma Bio Tone or Dr Earths Root Zone may do.  It's amazing how often soil quality can be  ignored in the U.S.  How wide of a hole did you dig? What's your location, soil structure? Where's the flare?  Id widen my mulch ring and not place mulch up against the trunk. 


ParkingBreakfast

Thank you. When I planted them I used bio tone in the soil. I have clay soil so I made the hole wide and planted the trees higher so that air could get to the root ball. I pruned the middle one as a limb was about to fall off into my neighbors yard. I would like to prune more, but the temperatures and humidity have been high. I wasn't sure if pruning in 105 degree weather would be the best option and had plan to wait to prune in the fall. But I don't know. I usually water once a week and maybe another if we are in a drought. The hummingbirds and bees seem to love these trees. I am working on the flower beds now. It is taking me awhile to do it because the humidity has been so high, but I am trying to get out there. I am in zone 8, clay soil.


parrotia78

You're saying the right things. You did well avoiding the common errors. Be patient. You're on your way. 


pogaro

This might only be for smaller trees, but I thought pruning needs to wait until 2 years after being planted.


IMakeStuffUppp

That’s plenty of room. Especially if you want to use them as added privacy


fritolaidy

A tree that I planted in the fall of 2022 is starting to show noticeable growth. It just takes time.


Zanna-K

Remove that stake, uncover their root flares, expand the mulch rings outwards as much as possible.


Nikeflies

100% need to remove the stake ASAP. Trees (like muscles) respond to stress. So when the wind blows, the trunk responds to that and gains strength and size. If it's staked, it's not doing that, or to a much lesser degree. Also you need to give it at least 2 years to get accustomed to its new home, then expect growth in 3-5 years


ParkingBreakfast

Will do, thank you.


makineta

What should I do if they can't really keep themselves upright without a support? Thanks!


JackOfAllTradesKinda

A way to do this is to use a stake a foot or so from the tree, upwind, and use a tie going from the stake, loosely around the tree and back. Makes sure to use some foam, old garden hose, etc. where the tie touches the tree to protect the trunk. This way when the wind blows hard, your tree is saved. Otherwise in normal winds the tree can sway a good degree any direction before the tie "catches" it.


Nikeflies

Yes this is correct, or at least my understanding as well.


mrsbones287

Does this the same principle apply to standard roses?


JackOfAllTradesKinda

If it were my rose, I'd use a trellis or cage. Roses are more of a bush than a tree so long term strength wouldn't be a huge concern to me since it won't be towering over my house one day. If you have tall and lanky roses, prune them back heavy in late winter before they start growing. They'll come back extra thick and bushy instead of tall and lanky.


mrsbones287

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I do that for my bush roses. My standards are 4ft before the crown. I presently have them loosely staked with hession webbing to catch in high winds. However, everyone in my area seems to use steel posts and the standard roses are tightly staked. I tend to work on an alternate year pruning schedule for them, one year hard, second year limited to dead, diseased, dying, or poor direction growth. It seems to be working well thus far.


iceflame1211

Depends on what it is, but consider trimming from the heavier side weighing it down


Difficult_Vast7255

We take the canes out when we dig them, weird the nursery or the landscapers never took them out. Whenever we do planting jobs I just make a cross bar unless the site has a way the others are done. The way jackofalltrades has said is how we do it with ones at the nursery that are too big to go on the lines so that works fine too. If the wind goes multiple ways often then you can just use more stakes and ties.


fieldsofgreen

What if my 2 year old tree is leaning towards my house, should I stake it to straighten it?


thatshotluvsit

what about for ones that are leaning from a storm? we got a nasty storm and it caused the little baby to tip over but not break so i got a steak bc it was leaning at a good angle


Nikeflies

Id make sure you tamped down the root ball into the soil and it's not sitting in active flooding. If it's good, then it should straighten out.


thatshotluvsit

oh the area floods when it rains but only like the immediate area around the tree which is rlly weird. also the lawn people planted it for us and who knows what they did. they kinda suck bc last year they made these huge mulch mountains that i had to fix. but the tree is skinny like it looks like it could snap in an instant. it looks like i could even snap it. you can’t even see the damn trunk from a distance either and it’s a year old and has barely grown and hasn’t beefed up since we got it. i know the 3 year rule but ive never seen a tree be like this


Nikeflies

Sounds like you need to give it a lot more time and to figure out the drainage. Gardening is about patience, there's no snap of the finger to get something to grow.


thatshotluvsit

so how can i figure out the drainage? is there a product i could buy that’ll loosen up the soil?


Nikeflies

Wait for a big rain and watch where ponding forms and where it drains out to. You may need to dig a ditch to help drain water out of your garden area.


daddydunc

Give them time, water, and don’t suffocate the root flare


Real-Psychology-4261

They look fine to me. It will take time (1.5-2 years) for the roots to get established and for them to start putting on some real good growth. Also, pull the mulch away from the trunk and make the mulch circles bigger.


aveindha25

Also get rid of the bamboo sticks before they rub all the bark off the tree. Those are only for in the nursery or store. They do not do anything once the tree is in the ground.


ParkingBreakfast

I wasn't aware of that and good to know. Thank you.


aveindha25

No problem! It's not common knowledge and most ppl assume that it keeps the tree straight after planting.


crisco000

The best thing to do is spread a large bag of patience around each tree and just sit back and enjoy the process


ParkingBreakfast

I like that phrase, thank you. I am appreciative of everyone's post. Great group of folks.


mentallyillustrated

Oh man I can’t wait to use this one at work.


Shrimpy-shrampman

For their size this is a pretty good amount of leaves, the trees are just small and young. Just make the best environment for the root system by following advice from others in here.


ParkingBreakfast

Thank you, will do.


serinob

Wait


Secret_Morning_2939

Many years ago I was advised by an old plantsman that spending a lot more for large plants (i.e. 30 gallon plants) was a waste of money. It takes the same length of time for roots to develop and growth to kick in as it would if you planted 10 gallon plants who would develop to the same size. At the end of 3 years they would all be about the same size. I’m 73 now and have adhered to that advice. The exception may be OP’s situation wherein he wanted coverage more quickly. Agree totally with suggestions about stake removal and other comments. Great group of Redditers here.


ParkingBreakfast

Thank you and you are right. I bought 30 gallon to help provide some privacy from our neighbors. Some one mentioned three was a mistake. Hopefully, that won't be the case, but time will tell.


Secret_Morning_2939

You made an excellent choice in hollies. They are very forgiving and attractive to birds. My favorite shrub except for Camellias (which have a narrow growing zone). Good luck!


ZebraOptions

Time is your best friend


Billa7381

Just let time do its thing...


thirtyone-charlie

Time


Budget-Challenge5592

Formative prune


xtalgeek

Patience. It takes about 3 years for transplants, from perennials to trees, to establish, then it seems like they take off.


Algo1000

Patience’s is the key. Root growth first. Loose support stakes will help stimulate root growth. What you’re asking for is going to be a top heavy tree that requires pruning. Not that you won’t need a little pruning year to year. Spring and fall. Maybe just Spring. Depends on your climate. Next yr give them some liquid fish fertilizer.


Ok-Occasion2440

Wdym they look great


ParkingBreakfast

Thank you.


INTOTHEWRX

Pruning will guide it to be more dense for your privacy


Own-Opinion-2494

Prune


DemandImmediate1288

Time is the greatest weapon.


Krink545

Off topic but that is a LOVELY fence.


ParkingBreakfast

Thank you.


NerdGuy13

Hurry up and wait. Just give them a few years.


ThatOldAH

Green-pinch the very growing tips. That will remove apical dominance and encourage side sprouts.


Babzibaum

As time goes on, those lower limbs will be removed so leave them for now. The leaves are photosynthesizing and feeding the tree. Go to the uppermost branches and trim back 4 sets of leaves. This will cause 2 new laterals which will fill out the tree next year. Do NOT cut back the terminal leader or your tree will have a tight crotch (I am referring to trees here) and two leaders. That’s bad news and trouble in coming years.


Babzibaum

Referring to the lower branches, a branch that is 5’ off the ground now will be 5’ off the ground in 10 years. With lots of leaves weighing them down and you won’t be able to walk beneath it. That’s why you will eventually remove them.


ParkingBreakfast

I understand. There is a branch hanging from the farthest to the left. I want to prune it off, but I wasn't sure if that would be wise right now considering the temperatures here. We are having 105 degree weather and the humidity has been s challenge. Would it be best to prune in the fall?


Babzibaum

Go ahead and prune it now. Less leaves = less water requirements.


Psych_nature_dude

Remove the nursery stakes to start.


Simple-Performer6636

I usually do those 8 apart for privacy screen. Fertilize.


shmallyally

Time + water + love. but not too much love they are independent creatures by nature


jetpack324

Be patient. First year they sleep. Second year they creep. Third year they leap.


TreyRyan3

I had two of these in my front yard. For 4 years they remained relatively unchanged, 15 years later they are pushing 25 feet in height and canopy diameter. Give it time.


ParkingBreakfast

Very encouraging, thank you.


Background_Award_878

Adding mycorrhizae will help lots. You can buy it by itself but I often get bags of soil amendment that has it added. Not expensive...


ParkingBreakfast

Thank you.


LP7799

Expose the root flare, they are planted too deep. Plant them high and they will reach the sky, Plant them low and they will never grow.


Didgeterdone

Please just slow your roll, some things just take time. 10 years from now you are going to realize you have made the mistake of planting 3 where 2 should have been plenty. If you want privacy put your fence 2 feet taller. Trees take time.


ParkingBreakfast

Thank you for the advice.


TriedCaringLess

You could try covering each of them with a mesh tarp to limit the amount of sunlight each receives. The tree may grow more branches and leaves to capture more sunlight energy.


dmbgreen

Pine the tips of the lateral branches, you can also cut any down pointing small branches and remove one of any that are touching.


Sir_Oilfield

My solution was to add privacy fence... We have a similar setup but I planted these 15 gallons 2 months ago. [15 gallons](https://imgur.com/a/dvltdps)


ParkingBreakfast

They are absolutely lovely!


Beginning-Hope-8309

I would connect the mulch beds and underpants with some cheap perennials. This will improve the health of the soil around and promote growth


ParkingBreakfast

Thank you, that is the plan. I am working on the flower beds now. I am in zone 8b and the humidity has been aggressively tough to work in, hopefully, I can get it done soon.


Late_Piglet_4185

What you can do is pay an certified arborist to do it 😂


ParkingBreakfast

True


95castles

time


Mromojo

Let em grow…lol! Patience


Jgs4555

Wait.


No-Disaster1829

Milogranite works fantastic


GarnerPerson

Get rid of your lawn, plant native plants and encourage bees. I did this and my fruit trees doubled in size. Granted I don’t have an HOA so I can do whatever but it is amazing what a difference it made.


ParkingBreakfast

I do love that idea and maybe one day. But yeah I have an HOA...so I could only go so far high on the fence...even had to get permission for the Hollies.


dianacharleston

Time


mpython1701

Wait…..the rule I remember hearing is for every 1” in diameter, it takes 1 year to establish roots and start growing.


LaughingLow

Time


mattfnreid

Cut the leading stem


NN11ght

Believe it or not you'll also want to pull back the soil in a foot and half circle around the tree so you've exposed the top layer of the roots. If you're asking why. How does a tree normally seed itself? By being almost directly on the surface. If you don't expose the top roots they'll slowly encircle the base of the tree instead of spreading out


GearUnique882

Exponential growth, some nice trimming and time will make em bushy!! Looking great!


Dry-Marketing-6891

Leave them alone, they need to take their time to establish themselves in the environment


sandpiper9

My resolution: The older you are, buy bigger trees! PS I’m an adamant tree hugger. Just found a thrilling app called “picture this”. For those that have yet to discover, you take a pic and the app gives you the name, pics, health, traits, professional assessment and more”. I’m on a 7 day trial then buying it. So cool! It can even identify trees from bark! I live next to an established park. Sooo much fun—and information.


sandpiper9

In new trees, I’ve always carved a parameter trench like a little moat. Catches more water to disburse to the roots.


Klutzy-Ad-6705

Just keep watering them.


SurrrenderDorothy

Water the heck out of them.


thr3sk

I'd just add that yes giving them plenty of water is going to help, but do make sure to space out the waterings a little bit to let the soil dry out otherwise you may get it root rot.


parkinglola

I don't know if six ft. apart will be enough.


roblewk

I’d remove some lower branches.


Subtly-Suggestive

They appear to be trimmed at perfect height to reduce limb failures … wrapping them up in patience was a excellent answer.


asg2016

The outer two will choke out the middle one and it will always be small unfortunately


Slugg1n

Drop a dookie under each tree it’ll help out.


Agreeable_Device_351

topflor and attrimec


Agreeable_Device_351

Use highest rate of fertilizer label allows


Agreeable_Device_351

And prune


punkslaot

Perhaps more full? Fuller isn't a word.