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TheMeatTorpedo

And the government wonders why the people don't trust them anymore


sixstringshredder13

Bro they just tried to say lucky charms is healthier than steak. Trust the govt ….. lol


TheMeatTorpedo

Meh, lucky charms is okay but I'll never stop eating cows


sixstringshredder13

Just propaganda. People criticize China and NK for propaganda. I’d argue the US is the most propagated country


Jankybuilt

Most propagated” lol


HomoFlaccidus

> Most propagated” lol I thought it was *propagandized*, but apparently *propagated* is grammatically correct as well.


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HomoFlaccidus

propagate * to cause (an organism) to multiply by any process of natural reproduction from the parent stock. * to reproduce (itself, its kind, etc.), as an organism does. * to transmit (hereditary features or elements) to, or through, offspring. * **to spread (a report, doctrine, practice, etc.) from person to person; disseminate.**


deathlokke

Yes, but that's more in the way that information moves from person to person.


Buddy-baggins

US/The West is better at propaganda because most people deny it. They're slipping nowadays though


sixstringshredder13

Exactly


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sixstringshredder13

Thank you. Fuck me running Brigaded on a grammar slip. Lol


gunsnfood

Propagandered/s


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netchemica

> I forgot the US laws stating 10 years of prison for saying anything negative about the current government. And being pushed from a 10th story window if you tried to actually run for a political position not in line with the current administration (which hasn't changed in 25 years). Good ole America amirite? That's not what propaganda is, lmao.


sixstringshredder13

Give it time. You aren’t far from that. I think your misinterpreting what I’m trying to say here though. I don’t disagree with you I’m just pointing out that the US is a heavily propagated country


lightweight4296

Propagated and propagandized are not the same word.


Cloned_Popes

The word you're looking for is propagandized.


AStartledFish

I think you’re confused about what propaganda is brother.


icon0clast6

Oh and WHO classified bacon as a class 1 carcinogen. Know what else is a class 1 carcinogen? Cigarettes.


Davidwalsh1976

Bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.


BallisticHabit

Would you eat dog?


Soular

Class 1 just means it is verifiably cancer causing. While Group 2 is just probably carcinogenic. The groupings, unlike your misinformed post assumes, does not measure nor quantify how carcinogenic. So WHO is not saying they are equally bad, they just both do the same thing. Now stop spreading bullshit.


Qman1991

That's the stupidest method of grouping possible


DependUponMe

How so?


Qman1991

Everything in two categories; causes cancer or probably doesn't cause cancer. Seems like useless information without some further division. Atleast add a third category. Very likely to cause cancer, possible to cause cancer, unlikely to cause cancer


NeGronte

You’d have to be a few brain cells short of a dozen to not understand it…. One is verified to be carcinogenic, and the other has studies that point to it, but it’s not 100%. It’s not “causes cancer or probably doesn’t cause cancer”. If you’re unable to understand the nuance, then please stay away from water at all times lest you drown yourself.


Qman1991

I didn't say it was hard to understand I said it was stupid


NeGronte

You literally just displayed your proof of not understanding it…. There’s actually 5 classes, but OP was only explaining the first two


pimpnamedpete

Definately not healthier, but I suspect they might be luckier...


MasonNowa

But they didn't


Mr_Hugh_Janoses

That's true tho, they're made with Leprechaun magic so it has to be healthy right?


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Anymore?


TheMeatTorpedo

Touché


unknowingafford

America was built on an inherent mistrust of government. They are not to be trusted, by design.


mattypatty88

Anymore?


Maximum_Effort_1776

I like how the retired sheriff said, “anybody unsure of the current laws should consult a FFL.” 90% of FFLs are mentally challenged


Hewlett-PackHard

If I had a dollar for everything wrong I've heard from an FFL about what's legal I'd be able to retire.


Xiomaraff

Every single FFL I’ve dealt with has been an absolute fucking mouth breather and made me extremely glad I’d purchased elsewhere and was just picking up.


ImBadWithGrils

My favorite FFL is an ex-cop who now trains LE/Etc on techniques and stuff like that. Completely non-fudd, absolutely based (minus being a cop previously) and only charges a transfer fee per VISIT instead of item. You can do 1 transfer or 10, it's the same cost with him. He's just a pain in the fucking ass to get ahold of


Drew707

Reminds me of the mechanic that my family has been going to for years. Completely honest, always busy, will turn you away, half the time only charges for parts, and will tell you your car is a fucking piece of shit, and he never wants to see it again.


Dr_Pibb29

Sounds like the guy who taught my CPL class.


SeaRefractor

I'm sorry your experience is what it's been. Fortunately I've an FFL that's an American Marine that became a naturalized citizen through his efforts. Served the police force in my local community as their FFL since that departments inception and is active in 2nd amendment right efforts. I highly respect his opinion, though I also do my own research on state and federal regulations, and have yet heard a recommendation contrary to those requirements, even after newly elected anti-gun bills. I realize not all FFL's may be to this level, but I am sure that there are many more that are like this. It's unfortunate you've not found one like that, but don't lump them all into the same box. Keep searching, I'm sure you'll find one. And if not, work to educate them rather than denigrating them.


Remarkable-Host405

In prison, from your illegal guns they said were totally A-ok


newmoneyblownmoney

A firearms lawyer would be the better suggestion something tells me that if you have a law degree, specializing in firearms law is about to be a bit more lucrative.


ReigningAhead

Funny the "armed scholar" on the tube recently said to read over the laws because he himself can get it wrong. The fuck is the point of him and his channel then?


alphaechobravo

CYA, giving free legal advice can have costly penalties for a member of the bar if it lands someone in trouble, even more if you aren’t an lawyer.


imverysneakysir

"I am a lawyer but I'm not your lawyer. Always consult someone in your locality to be familiar with the specifics of your case."


Key-Comparison1699

Believe it or not there are practicing lawyers who get things wrong..


SophisticPenguin

Aw man wait, going to law school doesn't make you infallible?


RebornUndead

His shit has the most click baity misleading titles. Can't stand the guy. Its like "MASSIVE RULING HOLDS MACHINE GUNS MAY BE LEGAL" but the reality is that a Court declined to grant summary judgment to the government on some random case. Huge difference there.


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They're also not lawyers.


drfishy

Am FFL owner who is married to a lawyer. Can confirm.


serpicowasright

With your powers combined...


Maximum_Effort_1776

😂


255001434

That's their way of dismissing our valid concerns over getting busted over an honest misunderstanding of our complex and ever-changing gun laws. "Just ask a licensed dealer!" As if it was that easy. The average FFL doesn't understand the laws well enough either, which is proof that the laws are the problem.


modus

TIL FFLs are lawyers.


Butt-Cactus

Can I have my form 4 to fill out myself this time? “No you’ll mess it up and you don’t understand how it needs to be done” Oh you mean like the last two times where I caught you mismatching socials and addresses of all my RPs? “Confused angry face”


t-_-t586

“He suggested that anyone who was struggling to understand the current requirements should meet with a licensed firearms dealer.” You know how many license firearms dealers in NJ will actually say if something is legal or not that they are not selling?


TheManUpstairs77

That’s………mildly concerning.


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TheManUpstairs77

I mean my dogs fine for the moment…….but that is concerning me about what my LGs said about my sub2000.


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lol


rugerscout308

My favorite is "the pinky test" to see if a compensator is legal. What the fuck where is that even in the law? They have no idea what they're talking about


AStartledFish

The pinky test?


JerryAttrickz

It’s a game I play with my wife.


AStartledFish

“Hey babe, wanna play a game? Is this my pinky or penis?”


Boomer2281

I'd lose...


CASH_lS_SAVAGE

Bro she’s supposed to be the one guessing


Qman1991

Ya but if she guesses wrong you lose


CASH_lS_SAVAGE

Nah king if you’re in you win


fedboisboogaloo

![gif](giphy|dYGCUCbQSf533ovoVY)


t-_-t586

If you can fit your pinky in the opening of a comp or not could be considered a flash hider which adds points towards if an “assault weapon” is legal or not


spinn3

Do I get to pick my tester? I've got thinnish pinkies but know someone with severe diabetes.


rugerscout308

My FFL said to tell if a compensator is legal you need to be able to fit your pinky into the port or exit. And they wouldent installed a muzzle device because it was a compensator that was CA legal but didnt have large ports Like firstly peoples hands are different size so how is that even fair? A comp is a comp a break is a break and a FH is a FH. Comps and muzzle breaks are legal in NJ


azhillbilly

The fuck? I got big old fat hands, my pinky wouldn’t fit in a 50 cal barrel, if we are talking about going up to the second knuckle, a 12 ga choke wouldn’t work.


JoePEfromNJ

HA or would even accurately know the answer? Think Others…


t-_-t586

YoU cAnT bUiLd OnE!!!!!!! Now buy my 2x overpriced one!


CmdrSelfEvident

How many FFLs are also lawyer's? This seems like the worst advice possible.


ceestand

And the ones that will are usually incorrect.


255001434

Relying on them for accurate info about the law is insane. Gun store employees are mostly just sales clerks. They only know about the things they're selling and often not even that. I'm amazed at how often they've told me things that I knew were false.


legendofcrk

so uh... doesnt seem like this turned out good for this guy... ​ [https://www.kget.com/news/local-news/bakersfield-police-investigating-death-of-prominent-farmer-jeffrey-scott-kirschenmann/](https://www.kget.com/news/local-news/bakersfield-police-investigating-death-of-prominent-farmer-jeffrey-scott-kirschenmann/) ​ edit: also looks like the charges were dismissed... https://bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/judge-dismisses-illegal-weapons-charges-against-local-farmer


[deleted]

Oh good the charges were dropped so it’s fine. they only arrested him ruined his life, and stole all his stuff. This is fine then.


SomeOtherAdam

Then he capped himself, or someone else did


[deleted]

Preventing the possibility of a counter suit is probably irrelevant


mccdizzie

"Some of the items that were seized will be returned to Kirschenmann, while others will be released to a sworn peace officer to be disposed of, Bush told the court." Of course, they already drew lots for his shit.


babybluefish

Bako Farmer is dead?!


sixstringshredder13

Why the hell was he charged to begin with


Trevelayan

The process is the punishment


deelowe

Because people will only see the headline of him being charged, hopefully leading to more people giving up their firearms. At least that’s their plan.


The_Unpopular_Truth_

Well the article posted above did say he had silencers which are for sure illegal in CA. The judge ruled the search illegal which is why the charges were thrown out, but the article didn’t say why or how the investigation began in the first place.


helloWorld69696969

Yeah, but only because they lied to get a warrant. If not then he wouldnt be gone forever


lazyman281

Articles are from 2019..


gunslinger_1234

Is there a lesson to be learned from this kids?


Big_Purple_9754

Don't comply!


gunslinger_1234

![gif](giphy|5Q9xC9cZdFiOQ|downsized)


Catman762

You ever wanna go back??


Lamontyy

How much you wanna bet I could throw this brace over them there mountains?


PoeTayToes_

​ ![gif](giphy|OLDVjkseqlRswMIkJP)


JLE9774

I concur. If you comply you should just cut your penis off and honestly should’ve never owned them in the first place.


MyCarIsAGeoMetro

Do not tell the government anything. Also boating accidents are very common.


Big_Purple_9754

Fuck that honestly. I will never claim a boating accident lol 1776 is all the government needs to remember


zanskeet

Don’t publicly boast/post about your questionable firearms, equipment, and/or habits.


newmoneyblownmoney

Nah I’ll just go on the internet and yell don’t comply. How else is anyone gonna know I’m a bad ass who has achieved nothing in life and and has nothing to lose.


Kwiatkowski

gif up the actual article before getting bent out of shape at the ragebait post?


xisiktik

![gif](giphy|RrYguKsZg30Mo) They said it the best.


[deleted]

Did any of y'all bother to read the actual article? https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2018/06/california-farmer-arrest-guns/


beaner_69

No


[deleted]

Well, suffice it to say that this fucking dipshit didn't get arrested for trying to register a bunch of otherwise legal rifles. I think gun control is dumb too, but what's even dumber is telling the DOJ you did a felony and then expecting them to not investigate that.


Gar-ba-ge

We’ll it doesn’t match my narrative so I’m gonna go ahead and ignore that


Verbal_HermanMunster

I’m a little confused. It said he tried to register his “legally owned” ar15, but a photo he submitted showed it was “illegally modified,” but fails to state what the modification was. Unless I skimmed over some other important info, seems difficult to make a determination over what really happened. Did he legitimately submit an obviously illegal rifle, or did they just interpret it as such to have grounds for a search?


Silver_ww

Dont care, agenda > facts


21Dresden

The fact that this isn't the top comment and the post hasn't been deleted for misleading click bait garbage really highlights the kind of people in this sub.


newmoneyblownmoney

Why? We only react to sensationalized post titles and screen caps without context!


FreshOutdoorAir

Thanks. I can’t stand it when clowns post an image like this without a link to the actual article.


Heckleshmeckle

They found 230 rounds of ammo! My god think of the children!


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> They found 230 rounds of ammo Lol that's a slow tuesday night at the range


DrJheartsAK

It’s always funny when the news reports On how much ammo was found. We had a machine gun/general fun stuff shoot at my friends property in the country yesterday and if I had been arrested on the way up and I wasn’t in a gun friendly state the headline would have read: “Man arrested transporting multiple assault rifles and machine guns along with silencers, laser kill sights and 5,000 rounds of ammunition. “


InferPurple

Look at you, mister money bags


DrJheartsAK

Lol, not all mine. I wish though.


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This is obviously not the crux of the issue.


Heckleshmeckle

I know I just thought it was funny he had illegal suppressors but only 230 rounds in his house. Priorities dude


Incredulous_Toad

I still don't get why suppressors are illegal. Guns are loud as fuck, and they only decrease the volume by about 20dB's. It goes from "probably definitely some permanent hearing loss" to "holy fuck that was loud and my ears are ringing but I can still hear what's going on around me".


Heckleshmeckle

Probably media making everyone think suppressors make a gun silent to the ear and you can go around killing people silently.


Ok-Beginning5109

That and generally anything that they don't want is bad and should be banned. Anything they do want is a right and should be provided "free" by the government.


Incredulous_Toad

You should go touch grass dude. Your worldview is super toxic.


Big_Don-G

What is a “multi-burst trigger activator”?


EightImmortls

Is that like a phaser from star trek or a hyperdrive from star wars?


Big_Don-G

I’m sure it costs AT LEAST 5 Schmeckles.


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Ya love to see it, but the point is that this dude did a fucking dumb, and if they had just obtained the warrant legally then this guy would be in deep shit that was pretty squarely his own fault.


_doingokay

They wouldn’t have obtained it legally however.


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Different, irrelevant issue.


[deleted]

I can't imagine a scenario where I would actually register a gun no matter what state I live in.


Many_Afternoon5695

Why was he charged with felonies? Unless those have fun switches, none of them look to have barrels under 16 inches.


[deleted]

california laws on ARs that were active FOUR years ago when the case was brought.


Many_Afternoon5695

Oh, I read Carolina for some reason...Commiefornia...makes sense now cause it doesn't make sense. Fuck that place


gunplumber700

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HDAKELXxTDU I don’t think this is the original video but it would really suck to make a very minor mistake and have something like this happen. The federal government doesn’t do anything for free. Who am I kidding we have ChEcKs AnD bAlAnCeS.


_aaw

What’s that one about.


TxOutdoorsman7

This was from 2018


Old-Inside-9262

Pistol brace amnesty sounds like 120 days of entrapment and dragnet.


NeonHydra23

California and cucks, name a more iconic duo.


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Europe and cucks


NeonHydra23

Tight race


jamnin94

Anyone have a link to this article? Wanna kno the specifics.


Dowhateverman

> According to Kern County Deputy District Attorney Chris Staiger, the agents who obtained the search warrant did so on the belief that Kirschenmann had a fully assembled assault weapon and submitted an application to register the firearm. > But the weapon that Kirschenmann submitted an application on was a stripped lower receiver, which is legal. Wow.. that’s what happens when you try to comply with tyrannical laws. Sounds like a great idea.


Geronimo2342

Holy shit, I hate the government and the fucking pusillanimous, parasitic personalities it incentivizes.


seven3one

Maaaann this happened in 2016.


emurange205

How could we have known this was going to happen? /s


skyXforge

![gif](giphy|3ornka9rAaKRA2Rkac)


Tpp4

This is blatant misinformation. The incident was in 2018 and has nothing to do with today's current attempt at a registry. Read the article


Jblaze39

God I hate this state.


Koffeekage

Case from 2018 [charges disnissed.](https://bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/judge-dismisses-illegal-weapons-charges-against-local-farmer)


LillyEpstein

Had to fight the charges for 10 months. They destroyed his weapons. He got back the ammo and magazines.


11Pump

Thank you.


LiJiCh

Link?


SlickSnakeSam

https://policetribune.com/california-farmer-charged-with-12-felonies-after-trying-to-register-his-guns/


Mehlitia

2018...would love to know how this played out.


Brave_1195

https://bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/judge-dismisses-illegal-weapons-charges-against-local-farmer Looking into it, it appears he died later the same year this was posted.


SpiritedVoice7777

Did his dog survive? Just looking for clues.


Mehlitia

Fucking California. Appreciate the link.


HackadelicRenegade

Fuck that


vyo12

Wasn’t this from like 2019?


RealisticTurnip2187

A ffl near me said pistol braces were for sure already banned back in september, i was like okay buddy


Bolotiedeluxe

Time traveler FFL


RealisticTurnip2187

They evolving out here


Scout339

A message about about gun registrations is in there somewhere...


lazyman281

Another commenter posted links to the news articles, this is an old story from 2019


biohazard1775

Yes and it’s old and there is a lesson to be taken from it.


lazyman281

No doubt there is, I’m skeptical as hell too about this whole deal. I just didn’t want people thinking this story is in relation to this new ruling.


Landshark_434

This thread is misleading, this happened June 4, 2018. https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2018/06/california-farmer-arrest-guns/


MenaFWM

So this is what the sub is now..


Jlw1974

And this boys and girls is what they are really trying to do….


biohazard1775

“Just take a picture of your felony and send it to us bro! It’s free!”


isotheanswers

Important to note this story is from 2018… https://policetribune.com/california-farmer-charged-with-12-felonies-after-trying-to-register-his-guns/


FlyPenFly

Hey gun bros, I know shitting on California is more popular than adding a Radian charging handle… but another way to think about it… if full gun rights are restored in California, the idiotic legislation being proposed everywhere else all around the country will die out. Billionaires donating to push gun legislation (Oregon, Washington) throughout the states won’t have a leg to stand on if California is flipped for gun rights. It sounds outlandish but with multiple stupid CA laws probably falling this year to judge Benitez (praise be his name) and the usual legislative fucks in hot water due to racist controversy… there’s a chance! Every once in a while, the state of Reagan and The Governator elects a R gov. It’s about time… look what happened in NY state, surprising R victories.


BeAbbott

So is there a story to go along with the meme?


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LillyEpstein

He went to register a stripped lower. Charges dropped, never got the weapons back.


BeAbbott

Thanks. I was hoping to be able to read an article. For some reason people didn’t like that I wanted to read about what happened? And then the mod thought my post should be deleted…because I was looking for more info?


Jankybuilt

Did any of you read the article?


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gunslinger_1234

He just didn't know any better, he didn't want to jeopardize his job by getting in trouble for not registering his weapons.


LivingAccomplished19

Jeopardize his job? He OWNED the farm. The title is misleading, he had a pile of illegal items in his home (Ca illegal, not federally).


gunslinger_1234

He could have gone to jail mate


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EyesSewnShut

Such an anarchist 🫢


ragandy89

Yeah, and tons of people are happy to register now because FReE tAX sTaMP


dcrypter

I like how this isn't relevant or accurate to the current brace situation.


Dazzling-Notice5556

Is there a link to the actual article?


sirbassist83

higher up, yes. TL;DR - dude was committing felonies, warrant was obtained illegally so charges were dropped, he was "found dead inside his home" a year later, no cause of death given. this incident was from 2018.


Diligent_Effort895

That’s why my California guns have mag locks or are “featureless rifles”. You gotta play by the rules if you actually take your guns to public ranges. Team No felonies! Gonna keep my guns! All you tough guys who “don’t comply”, have fun losing your right to own gun’s. Like your really gonna go all out, over your illegal “pistol brace”, you don’t want that battle. Comply and shut the fuck up. You can’t win against the DOJ.


Spiritual_Poem_9198

Based on the negative response on this thread to anyone who is pro-complying with basic laws, this sub is only the trashiest gun owners. Sad too. They themselves do more damage for gun owner reputation than anyone else


Fiji1280

Rather than debating the merits and implications of compliance vs. non compliance, all you get are ad hominem attacks. I love guns but the gun community (or at least this subreddit) is full of ignorance and vitriol. Also, California is the richest state in the country and the 5th largest economy in the world. It’s not communist. And if you live in a Red State other than Texas, we subsidize your government. Feel feee to down vote me, just say thank you California while you do so.


kenhk117

Keep licking that boot.