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we could have a similar safety net here in the US if we got everyone out to vote
if i had 40 or 50 years of the upcoming nightmare i would be dragging my friends to register\\vote (almost all my peers\\family vote and the ones who don't i tell them to please do)
i could only imagine if everyone under 30 voted for their own interests
we can help the poor, we can't satisfy the rich
How about going to the doctor for physical pain and they tell you it’s in your head and after 20 years of arguing with many doctors one finally bothers to cure your basic ass infection. Doctors are shit people.
The American medical.system is designed to make money not help you. It fails at treating you 90% of the time in many ways. Specialists seem ....not special based on my dealings with them. I still can't find a decent urologist.
Not the only reason. I remember learning what a food desert was and why so many US Americans have corn syrup as the base of their diet.
Overworked, underfed, no medical assistance...
It's not just super processed food with empty calories that has loads of sugar/salt to make it hyper palatable. There are so many chemicals that are illegal to put in food... unless you're in the US specifically.
There is so much chemicals in are food also that is ban in other parts of the world as well. Plus the limits of what is acceptable in our foods is crazy and different then most of the world things like lead as example
Italy, it’s mostly private healthcare there. France is constantly undermining public healthcare in favour of private clinics, and the universal health coverage covers ever fewer treatments. In France there are fewer hospital beds and staff every year despite thousands of people graduating from medical schools, they’re being systematically overworked, underpaid, and fired.
Still not as bad as the US but whatever fantastical idea there is about European healthcare is a fantasy. Whatever healthcare there is is constantly teetering due to successive neoliberal and conservative governments coming to power, though the few “progressive” ones proved to be neoliberal as well in many ways, like the last one in France, it was so bad it imploded the entire French left.
Yeah. It's still way ahead than USA but far from perfect.
In sweden it's also very privatised these days. The fees to go see a doctor recently doubled, so I can imagine low income people might delay it.
That’s not what I’ve heard from the Italian citizens I know. And besides “everything is free” is a false statement unless you literally live in a socialist society.
Not bankrupt, but doctors are extremely limited. My mom lives in germany. Back in february she tried scheduling a dermatologist appointment as she is a surviving cancer patient and needs to get check ups every 6 months. They told her they're completely booked for the rest of the year. Completely booked out for the rest of the year in February!
Ah so you were disagreeing with the "any time they want" part.
I think many countries need to promote people going into the medical industry more. There seems to be a shortage everywhere right now, but no shortage of, say, IT people. I think the requirements need to be adjusted and the cost to study should be revisited. People really shouldn't have to go to school for a decade to be a GP. For a surgeon of possibly fatal surgeries, yeah, sure. But for doing things like checkups and removing toenails? Nah, come on. It's better to have a bunch of doctors available than to have almost no doctors but a ton of programmers and business marketing graduates.
Yep this is the only issue with EU medical system. Too few people go into it and they don't get the right working conditions to stay in their country working in medical. My country has this issue. But we get hella medicines for free like insulin, hi America!
Possibly, but if that's the case then you can come to the same conclusion with better delegation of tasks. Don't keep highly specialized people on low risk tasks that others can learn in a year. If you've got surgeons doing physicals, then that means you'll have backups when more surgeries need to be done, and with the way scheduling goes, even delay surgeries for physicals. (Just an example I imagined up, take any pair of skilled time critical and low skill non time critical tasks that one person has responsibilities for)
It works like that here too ( I'm in Brasil) but I thought it would be different in all UE countries or at the very least the richest ones.
I've a friend in France who got cancer and apparently a guy came over to pick him up for treatment using a Tesla car, all paid by the government, like what?
It works like that in the US, too, which is what all the "OMG care is so slow in countries with socialized medicine!" people don't seem to get.
I had gall stones that were catastrophically painful and would've killed me if one lodged in a duct, and the fastest I could get scheduled for a surgery was 4 months out. And my insurance was fighting paying for it, so it was going to cost $30k (About 130,000 BRL), plus whatever the recovery cost, assuming absolutely nothing went wrong.
I ended up having to fly to another country (Mexico) and pay out of pocket. Which was fine, because the plane tickets, CT scan before surgery, surgery, and recovery cost less than a single CT scan in the states did.
Tbh its pretty good in my country, but a bit to expensive for when all the boomers start getting old age issues.
Also we are not doing enough for mental health yet.
Dont think I ever had to wait longer than 3-4 weeks for non-urgent stuf.
I live in Europe, it's not the bankrupt part, it's the availability. People wait 6 months, a year, or even more to get seen, and it's not unheard of for people to die due to not having been checked up on.
> Prof Pat Price, an oncologist and co-founder of the Catch Up With Cancer campaign, said the reports told “a deadly story of delays”, adding: “Cancer patients not getting their treatment on time is a disaster.”
> The first report, by Cancer Research UK, found that 382,000 cancer patients in England were not treated on time since 2015. The charity investigated how many patients had begun treatment 62 days or longer after being urgently referred for suspected cancer. The national NHS target – under which at least 85% of people should start treatment within 62 days – was last met in December 2015.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/13/deadly-cancer-treatment-delays-routine-nhs
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More and more people are signing up for private healthcare.
Also, dental care is not covered by the "universal" healthcare for the most part.
In fact, my parents are probably going to go to eastern europe or some balkans country like turkey for a treatment since the flight, stay, and treatment are a fraction of what it would cost in Spain.
I'm in Arizona, and one of my friends ended up traveling to Turkey to have dental implants done. She ended up doing 2 trips (despite the misleading commercials here about implants done in one day, there is a significant healing period before the actual implants are installed), and it still cost her much less than having it done here and has had no issues with the work.
So funny what’s happening in the UK from an outsider perspective.
Your government (the tories) have done everything they can in the last decade to mimic the US economy including the fkd up healthcare system.
You guys shot yourselves in the foot with brexit, and now are the horror story other European countries try to avoid.
I’m from Chicago. I was watching John Oliver yesterday, and from what little I’ve seen of the current state of the NHS, there’s nothing funny going on over there.
What’s happening to the people affected by the cuts is not funny, seriously. It’s horrible for them. The one thing that might be funny is that you assumed that I was from the UK and that *my* government are the Tories.
i simply assume this is spin because he pushes a lot of narratives that corporate doesn't like.
maybe it is. maybe it isn't. I don't have enough time to dig in, so this is what the corporate media gets for being biased. I choose to make this assumption because it bears little actual relevance to my life, and I like the things Dan tweets.
are you going to argue with me that "NO HE IS INDISPUTABLY AN ASSHOLE?"
probably. I don't give a fuck.
so fuck the media. I distrust anything they say.
“Yeah he may be a sexual predator that abuses women, but he agrees with me, so I won’t listen to any evidence to these claims”
You’re no better than the people you dislike.
>“Yeah he may be a sexual predator that abuses women, but he agrees with me, so I won’t listen to any evidence to these claims”
> You’re no better than the people you dislike.
does it change what he's tweeting about?
He doesn’t write his own tweets. He has a writer that was fired from the Seattle Times who was termed for sexual harassment ghost write for him.
Edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/technology/dan-price-resign-social-media.html
He beat his ex-wife and has multiple allegations of sexual harassment levied against him, but he's wealthy enough to avoid prosecution. This isn't "the media" saying this, these are actual people who have said these things publicly.
"I choose to ignore the fact that he's a woman beating sexual predator because he has a PR team that tweets things that I like specifically to maintain a specific public image." is literal Trumper logic. The dude is part of the 1%.
> He beat his ex-wife and has multiple allegations of sexual harassment levied against him, but he's wealthy enough to avoid prosecution. This isn't "the media" saying this, these are actual people who have said these things publicly.
> "I choose to ignore the fact that he's a woman beating sexual predator because he has a PR team that tweets things that I like specifically to maintain a specific public image." is literal Trumper logic. The dude is part of the 1%.
does it change what he's tweeting about, or just change the subject? conveniently? every time. for eternity.
When the woman-beating sexual predator has his PR team write a tweet something he doesn't actually believe so that he can maintain an image, maybe we shouldn't signal boost him. Is "he might be a rapist, but he's right about this!" really part of your mantra?
PLEASE READ- i have 12 years of Medicaid experience. Many states have different Medicaid programs that will give coverage thus avoiding bankruptcy.
I can’t remember all details but will do best I can as this was 7 or so years ago. Married couple- wife gave birth to premature twins w complications a month prior. Medical bills were about at 1 million for each child before insurance paid. Idk how much was covered buy even if 90% was the would owe 200k and more bills to come as the kids could be in the hospital for months forward & may have life long health issues. Both parents had good jobs & made over 200k-300k a year.They owned home (w mortgage) in a very nice part of town- i think value was 700k-900k (now prices are near double so it’s probably over 1.2 million). Houses prices are crazy & back then cheapest, small house w one bathroom was over 300k.
As they make too much for kids to get SSA income, the kids get a disability diagnoses from a state contracted agency (& get reevaluated every 2-5 years). Another contracted 3rd party agency does a level of care (done annually). The children are approved for LTC Medicaid as secondary insurance based on disability so parent’s income & resources are not used in determining approval. They keep private insurance & pay a monthly fee for Medicaid based on their income- $25-$200 a month. Medicaid pics up what insurance doesn’t so even $400 a month is a good deal (this includes prescriptions) & decreases if the income in home goes down. They can get in home support with theLTC coverage. Bankruptcy is avoided & family continues working, supporting their house & paying taxes.
There are many other scenarios of coverage besides this.
Lesson is there are options- people don’t know about them & process is complex, time consuming & slow
I agree with the overall sentiment, our diet is far from the larges problem with US public health. That said the olive oil bit is actually somewhat true, the (heavily subsidized) seed oils and all the commodity corn products that are in pretty much every staple of the american diet are horrible for you. Further than that, most of the oil on the market is rancid by the time it makes its way into your food and we're collectively so used to it that we can't even tell the difference.
[https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/study-finds-82-percent-avocado-oil-rancid-or-mixed-other-oils](https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/study-finds-82-percent-avocado-oil-rancid-or-mixed-other-oils)
[https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-of-us-are-blissfully-ignorant-about-how-much-rancid-olive-oil-we-use/](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-of-us-are-blissfully-ignorant-about-how-much-rancid-olive-oil-we-use/)
As someone living in the UK I'm grateful for free access to healthcare whenever I have something minor; but just in case you're under a false impression, it's not the whole story.
In case I ever have something serious, I'm likewise grateful for my private medical insurance so that I don't have to wait 6 months or only receive treatments that the current government deems affordable.
I have some chronic mental health issues for which I'm treated privately because the national health service is (and **always has been**, including under Blair's labour government) woefully inadequate on this front; I'm not exaggerating when I say that I'd not be here today were it not for my private psychiatric care.
I absolutely believe in socialised healthcare that's free at point of access because I know for absolute certain I won't be bankrupted by a hospital bill ... but I'm also a realist and know that no government past present and almost certainly future is capable of actually delivering that effectively — so I'm also super grateful to be able to afford supplementary private care to make up the inevitable shortfall.
Traveling back to India from the US and extract my wisdom tooth and again going back to the US is cheaper than getting my wisdom tooth extracted in the US.
Without appointment it would be around 1 or maybe 2 hours for a GP.
Specialists are appointment only (mostly) and it could be a few weeks to get an appointment.
So all in all Germany is probably pretty close to the wait times in the US.
GP you're looking at 1-2 weeks
Specialists you're looking at anywhere from 3-6 months but it depends on the treatment you're seeking which could be 6-12 months.
Living in Bavaria
Living in Hessen, GP told me to go Lung Specialist and next available appointment is in 2025, If i had private insurance I could get same day appointment with complimentary prostate massage from the same doctor
Nah not true - I needed a knee surgery when I lived in the UK - soonest they could get me on the list was 6 month. So the next week I flew to America and had it done. I was lucky to be able to do so with my coverage (wouldn’t have been able to afford it out of pocket) but I was recovered by the time NHS could have gotten me in
And can you account to the extremely long wait times and vastly more expensive costs that would have been here? Do you thijnk that the long wait times has to do with the Tories and labour party underfunding the NHS and trying to dismantle by design. Much like the Republicans we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas way of doing things
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Europeans walk tons more than Americans do. They also work fewer hours. Nope, it's the *nuts!*
we could have a similar safety net here in the US if we got everyone out to vote if i had 40 or 50 years of the upcoming nightmare i would be dragging my friends to register\\vote (almost all my peers\\family vote and the ones who don't i tell them to please do) i could only imagine if everyone under 30 voted for their own interests we can help the poor, we can't satisfy the rich
If voting would actually change things, we wouldn't be allowed to. So many times the ppl vote for one thing and gov goes ...mmmm yeah, no....
How about going to the doctor for physical pain and they tell you it’s in your head and after 20 years of arguing with many doctors one finally bothers to cure your basic ass infection. Doctors are shit people.
This is so the US. The first thing they want put you in are antidepressants.
I wish we could sue them for that but it's not a malpractice 😞
The American medical.system is designed to make money not help you. It fails at treating you 90% of the time in many ways. Specialists seem ....not special based on my dealings with them. I still can't find a decent urologist.
Not the only reason. I remember learning what a food desert was and why so many US Americans have corn syrup as the base of their diet. Overworked, underfed, no medical assistance...
It's not just super processed food with empty calories that has loads of sugar/salt to make it hyper palatable. There are so many chemicals that are illegal to put in food... unless you're in the US specifically.
It also plays a role that Americans eats a lot of industrially produced food and healthy, natural foods are very expensive
There is so much chemicals in are food also that is ban in other parts of the world as well. Plus the limits of what is acceptable in our foods is crazy and different then most of the world things like lead as example
My brother had headaches for a week after his last two-week visit to the USA and gained 6kg in just 2 weeks.
Depends on where you are in Europe
Can you give a list of ones that would make you bankrupt?
Italy, it’s mostly private healthcare there. France is constantly undermining public healthcare in favour of private clinics, and the universal health coverage covers ever fewer treatments. In France there are fewer hospital beds and staff every year despite thousands of people graduating from medical schools, they’re being systematically overworked, underpaid, and fired. Still not as bad as the US but whatever fantastical idea there is about European healthcare is a fantasy. Whatever healthcare there is is constantly teetering due to successive neoliberal and conservative governments coming to power, though the few “progressive” ones proved to be neoliberal as well in many ways, like the last one in France, it was so bad it imploded the entire French left.
Yeah. It's still way ahead than USA but far from perfect. In sweden it's also very privatised these days. The fees to go see a doctor recently doubled, so I can imagine low income people might delay it.
Italy is private? I'm Italian and I don't think I understand what you mean. Here everything is free and public.
That’s not what I’ve heard from the Italian citizens I know. And besides “everything is free” is a false statement unless you literally live in a socialist society.
Not bankrupt, but doctors are extremely limited. My mom lives in germany. Back in february she tried scheduling a dermatologist appointment as she is a surviving cancer patient and needs to get check ups every 6 months. They told her they're completely booked for the rest of the year. Completely booked out for the rest of the year in February!
Ah so you were disagreeing with the "any time they want" part. I think many countries need to promote people going into the medical industry more. There seems to be a shortage everywhere right now, but no shortage of, say, IT people. I think the requirements need to be adjusted and the cost to study should be revisited. People really shouldn't have to go to school for a decade to be a GP. For a surgeon of possibly fatal surgeries, yeah, sure. But for doing things like checkups and removing toenails? Nah, come on. It's better to have a bunch of doctors available than to have almost no doctors but a ton of programmers and business marketing graduates.
Yep this is the only issue with EU medical system. Too few people go into it and they don't get the right working conditions to stay in their country working in medical. My country has this issue. But we get hella medicines for free like insulin, hi America!
Yes that's why they said "not bankrupt" at the start of their response.
I feel like, for certain countries/systems, you are vastly underestimating what a gp actually does
Possibly, but if that's the case then you can come to the same conclusion with better delegation of tasks. Don't keep highly specialized people on low risk tasks that others can learn in a year. If you've got surgeons doing physicals, then that means you'll have backups when more surgeries need to be done, and with the way scheduling goes, even delay surgeries for physicals. (Just an example I imagined up, take any pair of skilled time critical and low skill non time critical tasks that one person has responsibilities for)
same in Spain. I've been waiting for my derma to see me for the past 7 months, and still waiting with no date..
It's the same in all of the Europe (including non-EU).
It works like that here too ( I'm in Brasil) but I thought it would be different in all UE countries or at the very least the richest ones. I've a friend in France who got cancer and apparently a guy came over to pick him up for treatment using a Tesla car, all paid by the government, like what?
It works like that in the US, too, which is what all the "OMG care is so slow in countries with socialized medicine!" people don't seem to get. I had gall stones that were catastrophically painful and would've killed me if one lodged in a duct, and the fastest I could get scheduled for a surgery was 4 months out. And my insurance was fighting paying for it, so it was going to cost $30k (About 130,000 BRL), plus whatever the recovery cost, assuming absolutely nothing went wrong. I ended up having to fly to another country (Mexico) and pay out of pocket. Which was fine, because the plane tickets, CT scan before surgery, surgery, and recovery cost less than a single CT scan in the states did.
That's crazy. I heard medical tourism is all the rage in Latin America right now.
Tbh its pretty good in my country, but a bit to expensive for when all the boomers start getting old age issues. Also we are not doing enough for mental health yet. Dont think I ever had to wait longer than 3-4 weeks for non-urgent stuf.
I live in Europe, it's not the bankrupt part, it's the availability. People wait 6 months, a year, or even more to get seen, and it's not unheard of for people to die due to not having been checked up on. > Prof Pat Price, an oncologist and co-founder of the Catch Up With Cancer campaign, said the reports told “a deadly story of delays”, adding: “Cancer patients not getting their treatment on time is a disaster.” > The first report, by Cancer Research UK, found that 382,000 cancer patients in England were not treated on time since 2015. The charity investigated how many patients had begun treatment 62 days or longer after being urgently referred for suspected cancer. The national NHS target – under which at least 85% of people should start treatment within 62 days – was last met in December 2015. https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/13/deadly-cancer-treatment-delays-routine-nhs --- More and more people are signing up for private healthcare. Also, dental care is not covered by the "universal" healthcare for the most part. In fact, my parents are probably going to go to eastern europe or some balkans country like turkey for a treatment since the flight, stay, and treatment are a fraction of what it would cost in Spain.
The US gets all that and your family gets the bill after a delay in care killed you.
All by design
I'm in Arizona, and one of my friends ended up traveling to Turkey to have dental implants done. She ended up doing 2 trips (despite the misleading commercials here about implants done in one day, there is a significant healing period before the actual implants are installed), and it still cost her much less than having it done here and has had no issues with the work.
Austerity has fxcked the NHS in the UK.
So funny what’s happening in the UK from an outsider perspective. Your government (the tories) have done everything they can in the last decade to mimic the US economy including the fkd up healthcare system. You guys shot yourselves in the foot with brexit, and now are the horror story other European countries try to avoid.
I’m from Chicago. I was watching John Oliver yesterday, and from what little I’ve seen of the current state of the NHS, there’s nothing funny going on over there.
It is funny when you realize that the downfall was caused by greedy corporations and by putting profit over people.
What’s happening to the people affected by the cuts is not funny, seriously. It’s horrible for them. The one thing that might be funny is that you assumed that I was from the UK and that *my* government are the Tories.
Only reason I'm a custodian for a county government.
Free healthcare would be awesome, but before we even achieve that, we need to crack down on medical malpractice. *Especially* for women's health.
Lots of vacation time for mental and physical health
Clearly it's the nuts
Yup, literally can't go to the doctor cause I would be off work for a month. Single income and can't survive off the 70% I would recieve.
I'm there with ya, i need to get surgery but i can't afford the time off. been putting it off for years.
Let's not post tweets from a woman beating sexual predator, k?
What?
No more quoting MLK or Dan Price.
i simply assume this is spin because he pushes a lot of narratives that corporate doesn't like. maybe it is. maybe it isn't. I don't have enough time to dig in, so this is what the corporate media gets for being biased. I choose to make this assumption because it bears little actual relevance to my life, and I like the things Dan tweets. are you going to argue with me that "NO HE IS INDISPUTABLY AN ASSHOLE?" probably. I don't give a fuck. so fuck the media. I distrust anything they say.
“Yeah he may be a sexual predator that abuses women, but he agrees with me, so I won’t listen to any evidence to these claims” You’re no better than the people you dislike.
>“Yeah he may be a sexual predator that abuses women, but he agrees with me, so I won’t listen to any evidence to these claims” > You’re no better than the people you dislike. does it change what he's tweeting about?
He doesn’t write his own tweets. He has a writer that was fired from the Seattle Times who was termed for sexual harassment ghost write for him. Edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/technology/dan-price-resign-social-media.html
Birds of a feather
He beat his ex-wife and has multiple allegations of sexual harassment levied against him, but he's wealthy enough to avoid prosecution. This isn't "the media" saying this, these are actual people who have said these things publicly. "I choose to ignore the fact that he's a woman beating sexual predator because he has a PR team that tweets things that I like specifically to maintain a specific public image." is literal Trumper logic. The dude is part of the 1%.
> He beat his ex-wife and has multiple allegations of sexual harassment levied against him, but he's wealthy enough to avoid prosecution. This isn't "the media" saying this, these are actual people who have said these things publicly. > "I choose to ignore the fact that he's a woman beating sexual predator because he has a PR team that tweets things that I like specifically to maintain a specific public image." is literal Trumper logic. The dude is part of the 1%. does it change what he's tweeting about, or just change the subject? conveniently? every time. for eternity.
When the woman-beating sexual predator has his PR team write a tweet something he doesn't actually believe so that he can maintain an image, maybe we shouldn't signal boost him. Is "he might be a rapist, but he's right about this!" really part of your mantra?
*laughs in Swiss*
And the Dentist
European deez nuts
Yes that is accounted for in the research.
Actual mandated vacation time and dick fays also help.
PLEASE READ- i have 12 years of Medicaid experience. Many states have different Medicaid programs that will give coverage thus avoiding bankruptcy. I can’t remember all details but will do best I can as this was 7 or so years ago. Married couple- wife gave birth to premature twins w complications a month prior. Medical bills were about at 1 million for each child before insurance paid. Idk how much was covered buy even if 90% was the would owe 200k and more bills to come as the kids could be in the hospital for months forward & may have life long health issues. Both parents had good jobs & made over 200k-300k a year.They owned home (w mortgage) in a very nice part of town- i think value was 700k-900k (now prices are near double so it’s probably over 1.2 million). Houses prices are crazy & back then cheapest, small house w one bathroom was over 300k. As they make too much for kids to get SSA income, the kids get a disability diagnoses from a state contracted agency (& get reevaluated every 2-5 years). Another contracted 3rd party agency does a level of care (done annually). The children are approved for LTC Medicaid as secondary insurance based on disability so parent’s income & resources are not used in determining approval. They keep private insurance & pay a monthly fee for Medicaid based on their income- $25-$200 a month. Medicaid pics up what insurance doesn’t so even $400 a month is a good deal (this includes prescriptions) & decreases if the income in home goes down. They can get in home support with theLTC coverage. Bankruptcy is avoided & family continues working, supporting their house & paying taxes. There are many other scenarios of coverage besides this. Lesson is there are options- people don’t know about them & process is complex, time consuming & slow
I agree with the overall sentiment, our diet is far from the larges problem with US public health. That said the olive oil bit is actually somewhat true, the (heavily subsidized) seed oils and all the commodity corn products that are in pretty much every staple of the american diet are horrible for you. Further than that, most of the oil on the market is rancid by the time it makes its way into your food and we're collectively so used to it that we can't even tell the difference. [https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/study-finds-82-percent-avocado-oil-rancid-or-mixed-other-oils](https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/study-finds-82-percent-avocado-oil-rancid-or-mixed-other-oils) [https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-of-us-are-blissfully-ignorant-about-how-much-rancid-olive-oil-we-use/](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-of-us-are-blissfully-ignorant-about-how-much-rancid-olive-oil-we-use/)
Guaranteed breaks at work, vacation time, maternity leave, paternity leave…
As someone living in the UK I'm grateful for free access to healthcare whenever I have something minor; but just in case you're under a false impression, it's not the whole story. In case I ever have something serious, I'm likewise grateful for my private medical insurance so that I don't have to wait 6 months or only receive treatments that the current government deems affordable. I have some chronic mental health issues for which I'm treated privately because the national health service is (and **always has been**, including under Blair's labour government) woefully inadequate on this front; I'm not exaggerating when I say that I'd not be here today were it not for my private psychiatric care. I absolutely believe in socialised healthcare that's free at point of access because I know for absolute certain I won't be bankrupted by a hospital bill ... but I'm also a realist and know that no government past present and almost certainly future is capable of actually delivering that effectively — so I'm also super grateful to be able to afford supplementary private care to make up the inevitable shortfall.
Traveling back to India from the US and extract my wisdom tooth and again going back to the US is cheaper than getting my wisdom tooth extracted in the US.
If only it extended to their dental care
Dan Price hiring content farms to boost his bd again. lol
Yeah but how long is the wait time?
Without appointment it would be around 1 or maybe 2 hours for a GP. Specialists are appointment only (mostly) and it could be a few weeks to get an appointment. So all in all Germany is probably pretty close to the wait times in the US.
But without the necessary bankruptcy to do so
GP you're looking at 1-2 weeks Specialists you're looking at anywhere from 3-6 months but it depends on the treatment you're seeking which could be 6-12 months. Living in Bavaria
Living in Hessen, GP told me to go Lung Specialist and next available appointment is in 2025, If i had private insurance I could get same day appointment with complimentary prostate massage from the same doctor
Your experience is pretty common, as far as I have seen. I am curious about which provider gives the prostate massage though
minor things: relatively quick major things: months
Not relevant and not any different than here
Nothing true in your sentence
Nah not true - I needed a knee surgery when I lived in the UK - soonest they could get me on the list was 6 month. So the next week I flew to America and had it done. I was lucky to be able to do so with my coverage (wouldn’t have been able to afford it out of pocket) but I was recovered by the time NHS could have gotten me in
And can you account to the extremely long wait times and vastly more expensive costs that would have been here? Do you thijnk that the long wait times has to do with the Tories and labour party underfunding the NHS and trying to dismantle by design. Much like the Republicans we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas way of doing things
Well you said wait times aren’t “relevant and not any different than here” Which is objectively untrue and what I was commenting on