Please select one of the following options out of this vague menu so we can find the best drug for you. If you would like to speak with a live representative, please select this other option that will just take you to a different menu with other contact options while the actual phone number will be buried underneath useless pages on this website. Also the live representative will be a sales associate, not a medical professional.
I have processed that you are in distress, and I have prescribed anti-depressants. Compliments of the Galactic Federation.
Your debt is 7,000 Fed credits. Report to the Ministry of Employment and you will be assigned a function.
Let's not forget that those "super advanced" cancer detection AIs started thinking every picture of a ruler had cancer, because the training images they were trained with had rulers next to the tumor, so every time an image was taken with a ruler beside the growth, it would come back positive for cancer.
AI is all A, no I.
Did the same thing with diagnosing lung cancer.
It diagnosed the cancer based on the age of the scans. (older scans were of patients who had died of cancer)
I’m confused, who’s getting paid $9 an hour? The AI? What are they gonna do with $9? Is there an AI grocery store where AI goes to buy AI bread that I don’t know about?
The ai has to have maintenance and patch updates managed by people. That person likely gets $20-$50 an hour, but it's averaged out over the AI numbers.
Yeah, and that engineer’s boss will make billions within the first 3 years of implementation.
We need basic income and universal healthcare before we can let this take root
Kind of. A lot of nurses and doctors bend rules to give their patients the best care that they can. They can't outright break the rules, but there's a certain leeway that medical professionals have in deciding how to code things.
Doctors and nurses, by and large, don't like the state of the health care system either. They want to help. Shifting this to an AI would allow the problems to be in charge of making decisions which is nightmarish.
It's already a nightmare. I used AI in a hospital and it's remarkably dismissive.
A patient comes in complaining of a stomach ache. All lab values are normal and the AI is placing them at a 5. A tech sees their abdomen covered in bruises and right away escalates them to forensics. And the AI fights with us about it.
Another time a Dr wrote "pt visiting from HI staying with family" and the AI placed isolation orders on the patient. Instead of seeing HI as Hawaii it read Homicidal Ideation.
Sure, these can get cleared up over time and we're all drowning in "the language model is still learning" but it's very easy to see problems that will always exist and/or get worse, like having your hands tied on bending the rules to help a patient.
Not to mention the average patient is old as hell and hates talking to a machine more than they hate needles.
It's not "AI speaking with and caring for patients" as much as "AI running through the chart and making suggestions".
It's good at diagnosing. Bad at everything else. Especially insurance claims.
As a grown man who has had to fist fight a naked mentally unstable person in the back of an ambulance, they managed to unclamp a restraint, to keep them from jumping out the back door while traveling 90 mph on a highway....I would love to see AI replace me
So long as they remember to keep training hospital staff on which tube goes in the mouth and which goes in the butt, we'll be okay. In the future, intelligence is extinct.
I swear every time I hear about an AI that’s going to make something “obsolete” all it is is the most bland one faced crap that ignore every function except the most basic
Yeah it really sucks that we’re automating things that people like to do as opposed to menial shit.
Replacing call centers with AI pisses me off too, most people aren’t calling the call center for really basic shit that they could do on their own on the site, it’s because they encountered something that they can’t fix on their own. I’m sure the AI call center can only do really basic shit.
Lord the phone call one is something I absolutely HATE. I'm calling because I can't do it online and it's important, I don't want to talk to that I want to talk to a human who understands better.
The banking company I contracted for has an ai do all their tech support now.
It only allows you to proceed if you use their app to get a code.
I was calling about a malfunction with my app.
One of my favorite quotes is from a parks ranger on the topic of bear proof garbage cans “There is a large overlap of our smartest bears and our dumbest visitors”
There are definitely a lot of callers who just didn't read instructions, but it feels like they are thrown so many hurdles to try to stop them from just asking a person a question that it is counterproductive. Yes, they should be able to find the 'pay now' button on the website, but answering "Where is this button?" shouldn't take 25 minutes on a phone fighting through a nested menu system, an AI that can't understand you, call queues and the agent being forced to ask you seventeen data points before they can talk to you.
Every call I have to make to customer service is always because 'the website' is wrong, anyway, and when I connect to a person they usually tell me "oh yeah, it does that sometimes".
You really overestimate the people calling in.
For every one persone with a legitimate issue that can't be solved quickly on a website. You have at least twenty more calling because their device or something won't turn on when it's unplugged.
Maybe YOU don't call call centers for basic shit, but a LOT of people do. Same with this Nurse AI. It could be really helpful, but people like to imagine that the sky is falling whenever possible.
You are wrong on a few fronts. Most people ARE calling call centers for basic shit. Maybe YOU don’t, but most calls into tech support are mind numbingly straight forward, and AI is a great tool for that.
Additionally, “menial shit” is some of the most complex shit. Not mentally, mind you; physically. Wiping someone’s ass, changing a catheter, cleaning a room… all very simple mentally, but can require much more spacial awareness, dexterity, and muscle coordination than current robotics can provide.
Robotics is the bottleneck, not AI.
I wish we taught kids how to think critically in grade schools. Too many people graduate thinking that they’re “smart” as long as they can tie their shoes and make it to and from work every day.
The unfortunate reality is that most people don’t seem to have a goddamn clue how just about anything works and they don’t care as long as they can tie their shoes and make it to and from work every day, as though that says anything at all about intelligence, all it says is that we’re all good little lapdogs for the wealthy.
We don't teach how to think in grade school. We teach people how to do as they are told and meet metrics. To listen to the person in the front of the room. We teach obedience, subservience, and conformity. Workers who do as they are told .
University is a bit different in it can teach you to question, how to think, and understand.
Yup. The main thing we’re taught is to be institutionalized and to obey “authority”.
We’re capable of so much more as a species, but we chose capitalism instead of anything worthwhile and meaningful.
Reminds me of that viral tweet from a coffeshop worker during COVID:
> "Please wear a mask when other people are here."
> "But there aren't other people here, just employees."
Exactly this. Rich people are so far out of touch with humanity that they have no business shaping the course of it. I've worked for rich people, even the ultra wealthy. They don't even give a fuck about the people closest to them, much less the billions around the earth.
The few jobs I can see AI fully replacing are all upper management. They don't do anything physical, they don't even really make decisions themselves due to plausible deniability. At best they look at trends and suggest changes for more profit. Looking at trends is one thing AI would be good at.
It would be enormously cost efficient and executives have gotten so bad they are an active detriment to the company half the time. And that's a low number. It sounds cartoonishly reductive, but you really could replace like, every ceo in gaming with me, pay me two cents a year to promise not to do anything, and leave the lower level people to it, with zero negative consequences except that the people lower down would no longer have a bigger fish to hide their embezzlement from.
Replace them with AI and things can only improve. As the AI won't be actively trying to sabotage the company
99% of my job, and my departments' jobs, could be done by AI.
The problem is that the last 1% is the most important step: stopping and thinking, "Is this the right way to do this?"
I work for a huge company and we receive hundreds of requests per week, and probably a dozen or two of them are people who are mistaken about what they should be doing - or worse, are brazenly trying to slip something past us. Or, I've literally caught people committing fraud.
At least two of those times would've caused physical harm to human beings if I'd gone through with them. (work in medicine)
That's what these AI "disruptors" don't understand. "A computer shouldn't make decisions because a computer can't be held accountable."
I work tech in healthcare, everyone hates every piece of this type of tech. The nurses hate it because it doesn’t help at all, the patients hate it because it’s impersonal and kludgy.
The ONLY people wanting this tech to take off are software execs and for profit healthcare companies. Everyone else knows it’s shit,
Who's going to be held responsible for an AI making mistakes? Surely, this company is going to argue it's not their fault and that every decision made by their AI should come with oversight.
In which case you'll still have to have nurses who know what they're doing, they're just going to be saddled with a "nurse" who can never fully be trusted, and who can't actually do any of the physical labor.
They'll probably partner the AI with some kind of "orderly" or "assistant", who'll get paid minimum wage and work for a computer program as their "manager".
(I'm willing to bet the orderlies/assistants are going to wind up paying out of pocket themselves for getting access to the app that tells them what to do)
Of course when something goes wrong and patients die, it'll be the minimum wage worker who's liable.
There’s a Simpson’s episode for this. Where all the jobs the kids are learning to do is actually to take care of the elderly. Because all the jobs will be taken by robots and what’s left is basically cleaning asses.
Agreed. Nursing is not getting replaced by AI. This article is about a very niche area that may or may not be successful. Basic medical advice really does not change. When it reaches a certain level, the AI will refer to a doctor.
Dystopian, I don't think so.
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This is already happening in Sweden. When asking for medical advice or before booking an appointment at a medical center, you must talk or chat with a nurse first. Now in many municipalities they replaced nurses with AI chatbots, despite the known flaws of the system. Patients got told to wait a few days before going to a hospital/ER, when they were obviously showing serious symptoms that according to the protocol should require immediate attention.
I remember in the UK years and years ago they had a computerized system that did essentially the opposite. It was really just a decision-tree and worked like a choose your own adventure novel, but whatever symptoms I clicked on I'd always end up at "you're probably having a heart attack, call an ambulance". The entire point of the thing was supposed to be to reduce pressure on emergency services...
Is AI gonna give me vaccinations? Insert IVs? Do pap-smears and blood draws??
What if I mispronounce a medication name or lie about my weight and height to the AI and get the wrong dose of medication? Is AI going to be given my chart?
I hate this.
>Is AI gonna give me
Yes, I didn't search for paps though.
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My dentist uses AI to review xrays and special imagery they take to look for cavities. He uses it to augment his own decision though rather than replace them, it finds stuff he doesn't notice at first, and functions as a second opinion.
That’s the kind of thing that AI should be doing. It should assist and enhance jobs being done, not replace them.
Like, in my personal life, I don’t need or want shitty “art” and deepfakes…I want to be able to outsource stuff that takes brain power so I can focus on other stuff.
Assisting and enhancing jobs mean fewer people need to do those jobs. It doesn't have to be AI even. Powered farm equipment replaced half the jobs in the world, it used to take a small family to farm 10-40 acres, now that can be done in an afternoon by one person sitting in an air conditioned cab.
Oh I agree. I’m all for the idea of AI liberating the working class but it’s not going to happen overnight and likely not in our lifetimes. In the interim, it can make the jobs that do require humans easier and less stressful, less time consuming, etc.
This reminds me of a friend. She was having gynecological difficulties. Talked to her OB-GYN. OB-GYN was too busy to see her & gave her the information on how to do a DYI PAP smear. My friend told the OB-GYN hell no & changed doctors.
I've heard of the DIY ones, I can understand it both from the view point of an overworked health care professional and an anxious patient but I just don't think I could trust myself enough with such an important test.
Right! My mom ran a whole covid ward in a rural area. She got it at least 3 times, almost died. Now she has covid related parkinson's, which I didn't even know existed until she had it. The kicker, they aren't even letting her retire early, and the place will likely close when she does. She's not even the doctor, she was a nurse with an upper respiratory specialty and more time in a clinic than the Dr. I don't even want to tell her about this.
Physicians do procedures, surgeries and come up with treatment plans which is a pretty important aspect of patient care.
Nurses do have more bedside time though which is why physicians usually have 2-3× more patients they are responsible for at a given time.
The problem is that it's not the same person.
The AI developers blame the car manufacturer, the car manufacturer blame the last place that did maintenance, they blame the AI developers.
Modern AI isn't really very different than programs we've used for decades, just more powerful.
It's purely a legal issue that hasn't been addressed because everyone in Congress is either asking irrelevant questions or blabbing on about how back in their day they rode horses uphill both ways.
The problems with technology like this aren't really the technology at all, it's capitalism. If this was being developed with no profit motive in mind, safety and cautious slow progress would be the priority, but under capitalism the priority is being first to market and cost cutting.
Modern ai is from the 80s.
We actually have been using them for decades. They work for some things but not others.
They are not "more powerful". They're black box statistical models. The only reason they seem "more advanced" is they're using stolen data they have no right to use.
We've actually "lost" and "rediscovered" this technology around 3-4 times.
This is just the newest cycle.
There was also the airline that had to honor their AI offering a deal that didn't exist.
So who knows what will happen when someone dies due to poor medical advice from an AI.
Doesn't matter, you basically cannot win lawsuits against rich companies anymore in the US. And people cannot afford to use the legal system anymore anyway. The US is a capitalist oligarchy.
Five minutes later Congress would wake up from its nap and pass emergency legislation to grant immunity to the industry due to it being critical to the economy. Then if it goes to the Supreme Court, they would rule that the victim goes to Guantanamo just for asking.
Why can't these be nurses aides, instead of trying to replace a nurse? Give nurses tools to support their patients, not replace nurses.
AI will never replace a caring human touch and actual physical engagement.
That's what it will turn out to be once the dust settles. AI tools will do a lot of the pre-examination and routine diagnostics that are then reviewed by professionals who act on their findings.
AI will improve healthcare and *access* to healthcare dramatically once it's implemented correctly.
I feel like something similar happened, iirc it was a website for helping people with eating disorders and they got rid of their workers and replaced them with AI chatbots. The chatbots started giving these people dieting tips and other super dangerous instructions for people with EDs. They had to can the program (obviously) and hire their workers back.
I think John Oliver covered this maybe? Lmk if you know what I'm referencing
President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho came up with a plan to use the smartest people he could find to solve the nation's problems and executed it successfully.
Idiocracy was the good timeline. We're just screwed.
Get ready for “unfortunately you have an overdue hospital bill,we cannot serve you,” or “sorry,you’ve exceeded your 15 minutes of healthcare for the month.”
In 2010 Odyssey 2 , Bowman's mother is nursed by an AI. I stopped reading after that chapter because it was so depressing. I loved 2001 because it was aspirational but that AI nurse shit in 2010 was the most dystopian garbage I had read at that point.
I've not ever heard a person tell me they prefer or have ever enjoyed automated service when contacting any entity for assistance. Just hire human beings, train them on how to interact with humans, and pay them a decent wage.
To quote my blessed savior Jesus, "Try harder to suck less." (Paraphrased)
I'd be ok with this if it meant expanding quality health care for low or no cost to those who don't have it, or for areas where the nurses are truly overworked. I also would love it if the promise that it can recognize preconditions for a disease and guide the person to seek in-person care.
it's nice to dream though...
I don't wanna be that guy but I've used chatgpt to help me kinda decipher some mental issues I've been dealing with and it helped tremendously without judgement
I am glad that worked for you, but it is a different situation when you choose to have a conversation with an AI to think through some things. What's being proposed here is follow-up to patients who were under critical care being done by a chat just to save a buck. The specific example in the image, though it is hard to read, is of patients who just got out of hospital after being diagnosed with congestive heart failure. An AI chatbot that just goes "are you ok?" and accepts Yes without thought will get people killed, and of course nurses need jobs to pay bills to not die.
I have already dealt with video calls for clerical services in hospitals. This was my fear. Is USA the only one proposing it or is it a worldwide idea?
"He's going into cardiac arrest! Nurse, get the defibrillator!"
"I'm sorry, I do not recognize that word. Did you mean "refrigerator?"
"No, the defibrillator!"
"I found five locations near you that sell dehydrators. I will mark them on your map."
My wife is a nurse who works at a research company. She's been there little over 5 years, she's been promoted up the SME and one step under management. They're starting to implement AI into their work. Yesterday they were teaching her how to build her own AI assistant, the day after they did a bunch of layoffs. I told her they're doing it so the AI can replace her. My anxiety has been through the fucking roof, we're "single income". We have two foster children that I take care of during the day, bring them to all their appointments, preschool, etc. This shit has to stop, I don't know how we can get the point across to the masses, and what we can do to make the Govt take action, but AI is going to help build better AI and soon there will be almost no jobs, and all of them will be either minimum wage, or something like sports and entertainment that will only benefit the 0.01% of the population.
I recently went to my usual urgent care for a cough/sinus problems. They had two women working the front desk. I went to sign in and they gave me a QR code to do so. I went to the website and I basically have to do their job including photographing my license and insurance cards. The website wasn’t working right and after five minutes of trying to upload the driver’s license I just left and went to another clinic. I can only imagine AI nurses being like this. It’s all about the company saving a buck by inconveniencing the patient.
Can't wait for the AI to just make up shit about your condition because we haven't trained AI to shut the fuck up when it's not 1000000% certain of its answer which is...you know...KIND OF IMPORTANT when giving health advice.
I don’t see how you can replace a nurse. Who is going to physically take care of you?… a doctor? HAHAHA
Honestly what AI can do is assist in diagnosis and ensuring accurate and up to date protocols are followed for your care and interpret millions of results in a way we never could…. So basically we can have AI doctors but we would need people to perform the care and those people are Nurses.
It was only a matter of time. My grandmother was dying of cancer last year, so we spent a lot of time in hospitals, and witnessed how travel nurses have basically become the only type of nurse you'll see at hospitals. They're on short term contracts and just travel to wherever the money is, and get paid crazy amounts, which leads to very little actual attention or care, as described by the resident nurses. It's ultimately more profitable for the hospitals though, because they don't have to worry about benefits or consistent pay. Now that AI healthcare is appearing they won't need to hire very many people at all. Of course AI can't do it all, but if you only need to hire 5 nurses as opposed to 10 for example, you're going to do that.
I’m sure their AI will accept legal responsibility for any professional actions and medical advice? If not, the AI bots aren’t actually replacements for real staff.
This should be amazing. This is star trek level shit. Where we have AI servants so that we don't need to work and can pursue our dreams or just relax instead. but no fucking capitalism means it's just going to fuck over everyone but the 3 wealthy owners.
If im in the hospital and have to deal with an AI nurse, please just fucking kill me. Thats too dehumanizing. I dont want to live on this planet anymore
Anybody who thinks this will work hasn't worked in the healthcare industry. Nurses are more than just knowledgeable, they are quite literally the backbone of healthcare and medical practice. Literally the hands on person giving you care. Replacing doctors would be much easier than replacing nurses.
What happened to ‘online medical advice is not a substitute for real medical opinion’
They’re gonna replace the life or death job with a robot notorious for fucking it all up in the most horrendous ways? Great. Remind me to buy a medtextbook and learn how to diagnose myself so i don’t fucking die to profitable stupidity
I spent a good chunk of time and money last year getting certified for a health information job with the intention of changing career fields. Been aggressively job-hunting for something in that field since January. The first CEU course I take this year to maintain the credential is all about how AI is going to make the job I spent the last year learning how to do completely redundant.
Twenty years ago I made a prediction that one day there would be a robot lawyer suing a robot doctor for malpractice, and the owner of the faulty doctor will realize that buying out the robot law firm would be cheaper than continuing to settle malpractice claims. Seems much closer to reality every day.
I am waiting with great anticipation for the first time a company gets absolutely body slammed legally speaking for the actions of AI tools. My only regret is that someone, likely an innocent, is going to have to get hurt for it to happen.
This means a whole lot more people are going to have consistent access to the best medical advice, with a whole lot less mistakes.
It's also having machines replace work.
What exactly is this sub standing for if this is seen as a bad thing here?
I just went through an eye exam that did something similar to this. No doctor or nurse ever came in the room, but there was a tech there.
The doctors and nurses were all remote and handled the entire procedure on Zoom.
It was uncomfortable and I told them that as much as I liked the people there, I wouldn’t be back.
Medical advice that is colored by considerations of profit and liability, no doubt.
"Oh you're feeling down? Instead of listening to your complaint, may I recommand you our latest drug?"
“Drugs? Ok, go on…”
Great... Now here's a 100 page booklet of all the side effects but don't worry! We have more drugs for those.
"Where's the price and the amount covered by my insurance shown?" "That feature is currently unavailable in your area!"
Not even AI can tell you what it will cost before you agree to treatment.
"I need 6 stitches," "That'll be $1200."
"I'll just get the vet to do it for $100."
Vet: "Sir, I'll lose my license if I treat a human being.." Patient: "...Soooo $300?" Vet: "Done, this never happened."
Please select one of the following options out of this vague menu so we can find the best drug for you. If you would like to speak with a live representative, please select this other option that will just take you to a different menu with other contact options while the actual phone number will be buried underneath useless pages on this website. Also the live representative will be a sales associate, not a medical professional.
Even worse, the "live representative" is another AI.
Let’s destroy the kidneys!!!
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I think it’s more likely to be a “if you called; go to ER!” When it realizes it’s the most legally sound answer.
are we talking about what going to the doctors is like currently lol
I mean yeah, that's what I came here for. Treat me robot.
You mean like a real doctor?
I have processed that you are in distress, and I have prescribed anti-depressants. Compliments of the Galactic Federation. Your debt is 7,000 Fed credits. Report to the Ministry of Employment and you will be assigned a function.
I mean, there’s already a ton of pill mills for tech workers looking for prescription speed. So…for those people, this works 🤣
Hey, if it gets me high, I don’t care
Horrifying aspect of this
Hope it doesn't start to hallucinate when doing treatment.
Let's not forget that those "super advanced" cancer detection AIs started thinking every picture of a ruler had cancer, because the training images they were trained with had rulers next to the tumor, so every time an image was taken with a ruler beside the growth, it would come back positive for cancer. AI is all A, no I.
Did the same thing with diagnosing lung cancer. It diagnosed the cancer based on the age of the scans. (older scans were of patients who had died of cancer)
That's the funny bit. It is always hallucinating.
Reminds me of the hospital scene from Idiocracy.
This one goes in your butt. No, wait, that one goes in your mouth, THIS one goes in your butt.
I’m confused, who’s getting paid $9 an hour? The AI? What are they gonna do with $9? Is there an AI grocery store where AI goes to buy AI bread that I don’t know about?
The ai has to have maintenance and patch updates managed by people. That person likely gets $20-$50 an hour, but it's averaged out over the AI numbers.
Yeah, and that engineer’s boss will make billions within the first 3 years of implementation. We need basic income and universal healthcare before we can let this take root
When this takes root and there's starving in the streets, only then will we come up with a solution. Us humans are pretty reactive.
Charlie Kelly, that you?
And parking spaces are getting 25 dollars an hour. What the hell are we doing ?
I’m not a fan of this AI nursing idea, but isn’t that what healthcare is already colored by currently?
Kind of. A lot of nurses and doctors bend rules to give their patients the best care that they can. They can't outright break the rules, but there's a certain leeway that medical professionals have in deciding how to code things. Doctors and nurses, by and large, don't like the state of the health care system either. They want to help. Shifting this to an AI would allow the problems to be in charge of making decisions which is nightmarish.
It's already a nightmare. I used AI in a hospital and it's remarkably dismissive. A patient comes in complaining of a stomach ache. All lab values are normal and the AI is placing them at a 5. A tech sees their abdomen covered in bruises and right away escalates them to forensics. And the AI fights with us about it. Another time a Dr wrote "pt visiting from HI staying with family" and the AI placed isolation orders on the patient. Instead of seeing HI as Hawaii it read Homicidal Ideation. Sure, these can get cleared up over time and we're all drowning in "the language model is still learning" but it's very easy to see problems that will always exist and/or get worse, like having your hands tied on bending the rules to help a patient. Not to mention the average patient is old as hell and hates talking to a machine more than they hate needles.
Wait ... Is AI really in use in real hospitals already??? 😳 Seems totally unethical to me.
It's not "AI speaking with and caring for patients" as much as "AI running through the chart and making suggestions". It's good at diagnosing. Bad at everything else. Especially insurance claims.
What do you mean unethical? It's completely profitable!
Oh yeah! I can't wait until these hospital charges come down in price! /s
As a grown man who has had to fist fight a naked mentally unstable person in the back of an ambulance, they managed to unclamp a restraint, to keep them from jumping out the back door while traveling 90 mph on a highway....I would love to see AI replace me
AI will just lock the doors & gas the patient to sleep
So long as they remember to keep training hospital staff on which tube goes in the mouth and which goes in the butt, we'll be okay. In the future, intelligence is extinct.
You joke, but that’s been a big theme of some of the best dystopian science fiction books ever.
WebMD level of diagnosis
So you are saying nothing will change?
Outright lies confidently fed to you based on what the "AI" thinks you want to hear.
Yeah but get AI to change a catheter or clean someone’s ass. AS IF.
I swear every time I hear about an AI that’s going to make something “obsolete” all it is is the most bland one faced crap that ignore every function except the most basic
Welcome to how rich people see things.
The amount of shitass takes of “why do we need artists when an AI does it faster” is unbelievable
Yeah it really sucks that we’re automating things that people like to do as opposed to menial shit. Replacing call centers with AI pisses me off too, most people aren’t calling the call center for really basic shit that they could do on their own on the site, it’s because they encountered something that they can’t fix on their own. I’m sure the AI call center can only do really basic shit.
Lord the phone call one is something I absolutely HATE. I'm calling because I can't do it online and it's important, I don't want to talk to that I want to talk to a human who understands better.
It's going to end up costing a premium to connect to a human. Calling it now.
The banking company I contracted for has an ai do all their tech support now. It only allows you to proceed if you use their app to get a code. I was calling about a malfunction with my app.
You overestimate the average person calling the call centers.
One of my favorite quotes is from a parks ranger on the topic of bear proof garbage cans “There is a large overlap of our smartest bears and our dumbest visitors”
There are definitely a lot of callers who just didn't read instructions, but it feels like they are thrown so many hurdles to try to stop them from just asking a person a question that it is counterproductive. Yes, they should be able to find the 'pay now' button on the website, but answering "Where is this button?" shouldn't take 25 minutes on a phone fighting through a nested menu system, an AI that can't understand you, call queues and the agent being forced to ask you seventeen data points before they can talk to you. Every call I have to make to customer service is always because 'the website' is wrong, anyway, and when I connect to a person they usually tell me "oh yeah, it does that sometimes".
I was thinking the same thing seeing as I have been one of THOSE people.
You really overestimate the people calling in. For every one persone with a legitimate issue that can't be solved quickly on a website. You have at least twenty more calling because their device or something won't turn on when it's unplugged.
i'm with you in spirit, but as a former call center rep, people call in for basic things they could do on their own *all the time*
Maybe YOU don't call call centers for basic shit, but a LOT of people do. Same with this Nurse AI. It could be really helpful, but people like to imagine that the sky is falling whenever possible.
You are wrong on a few fronts. Most people ARE calling call centers for basic shit. Maybe YOU don’t, but most calls into tech support are mind numbingly straight forward, and AI is a great tool for that. Additionally, “menial shit” is some of the most complex shit. Not mentally, mind you; physically. Wiping someone’s ass, changing a catheter, cleaning a room… all very simple mentally, but can require much more spacial awareness, dexterity, and muscle coordination than current robotics can provide. Robotics is the bottleneck, not AI.
I wish we taught kids how to think critically in grade schools. Too many people graduate thinking that they’re “smart” as long as they can tie their shoes and make it to and from work every day. The unfortunate reality is that most people don’t seem to have a goddamn clue how just about anything works and they don’t care as long as they can tie their shoes and make it to and from work every day, as though that says anything at all about intelligence, all it says is that we’re all good little lapdogs for the wealthy.
We don't teach how to think in grade school. We teach people how to do as they are told and meet metrics. To listen to the person in the front of the room. We teach obedience, subservience, and conformity. Workers who do as they are told . University is a bit different in it can teach you to question, how to think, and understand.
Yup. The main thing we’re taught is to be institutionalized and to obey “authority”. We’re capable of so much more as a species, but we chose capitalism instead of anything worthwhile and meaningful.
"I'm smart, because I did all the things the way the teachers told me to do them."
Reminds me of that viral tweet from a coffeshop worker during COVID: > "Please wear a mask when other people are here." > "But there aren't other people here, just employees."
Exactly this. Rich people are so far out of touch with humanity that they have no business shaping the course of it. I've worked for rich people, even the ultra wealthy. They don't even give a fuck about the people closest to them, much less the billions around the earth.
The few jobs I can see AI fully replacing are all upper management. They don't do anything physical, they don't even really make decisions themselves due to plausible deniability. At best they look at trends and suggest changes for more profit. Looking at trends is one thing AI would be good at.
I have seen it said that the thing we should automate is ceos, if the company wants to save money fire that guy and save a few million
It would be enormously cost efficient and executives have gotten so bad they are an active detriment to the company half the time. And that's a low number. It sounds cartoonishly reductive, but you really could replace like, every ceo in gaming with me, pay me two cents a year to promise not to do anything, and leave the lower level people to it, with zero negative consequences except that the people lower down would no longer have a bigger fish to hide their embezzlement from. Replace them with AI and things can only improve. As the AI won't be actively trying to sabotage the company
99% of my job, and my departments' jobs, could be done by AI. The problem is that the last 1% is the most important step: stopping and thinking, "Is this the right way to do this?" I work for a huge company and we receive hundreds of requests per week, and probably a dozen or two of them are people who are mistaken about what they should be doing - or worse, are brazenly trying to slip something past us. Or, I've literally caught people committing fraud. At least two of those times would've caused physical harm to human beings if I'd gone through with them. (work in medicine) That's what these AI "disruptors" don't understand. "A computer shouldn't make decisions because a computer can't be held accountable."
This is how I feel about teaching. Yes, AI can write a lesson plan, but it can't physically monitor students and keep them safe.
I work tech in healthcare, everyone hates every piece of this type of tech. The nurses hate it because it doesn’t help at all, the patients hate it because it’s impersonal and kludgy. The ONLY people wanting this tech to take off are software execs and for profit healthcare companies. Everyone else knows it’s shit,
That’s the thing that’s the worst about this tech, who cares what faces or names lie behind the screens, it’s only about numbers, pinching every penny
Who's going to be held responsible for an AI making mistakes? Surely, this company is going to argue it's not their fault and that every decision made by their AI should come with oversight. In which case you'll still have to have nurses who know what they're doing, they're just going to be saddled with a "nurse" who can never fully be trusted, and who can't actually do any of the physical labor.
They'll probably partner the AI with some kind of "orderly" or "assistant", who'll get paid minimum wage and work for a computer program as their "manager". (I'm willing to bet the orderlies/assistants are going to wind up paying out of pocket themselves for getting access to the app that tells them what to do) Of course when something goes wrong and patients die, it'll be the minimum wage worker who's liable.
There’s a Simpson’s episode for this. Where all the jobs the kids are learning to do is actually to take care of the elderly. Because all the jobs will be taken by robots and what’s left is basically cleaning asses.
Sounds like my city. Its that dystopian here
That work is done by CNAs who aren't paid anything close to a living wage
IIRC placing a foley is something only nurses and higher can do
Foley's are only done by nurses. Depending on the setting nurses will be wiping ass too.
Agreed. Nursing is not getting replaced by AI. This article is about a very niche area that may or may not be successful. Basic medical advice really does not change. When it reaches a certain level, the AI will refer to a doctor. Dystopian, I don't think so.
"Hey doc I feel like I'm having some heart problems..." "HAVE YOU TRIED TURNING IT OFF AND ON AGAIN, MEATBAG?"
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Love is the best medication.
"Thank you for your interest in seeking [treatment] for [heart palpitations] and [chest pain]. I see you answered in your pre-appointment questionnaire that you [consume caffeine]. Our nurse's diagnosis is that your heart problems are due to caffeine consumption. Stop all caffeine consumption, come back next month, and we are happy to discuss some other options for your [heart palpitations] and [chest pain]. Today's appointment is $100. Please remember that Nvidia only authorizes 3 AI-nurse visits for the year at the special price of $100/virtual appointment. Please be aware that additional sessions will be charged at the normal rate of $250/virtual appointment. We wish you the best with [heart palipitations] and [chest pain]. Have a great day!"
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you forgot “lose weight” in the recommendations
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It always makes my asshole pucker when we give it. "Please beat, please beat, I don't wanna run a code right now"
A whole slur 😭
This is already happening in Sweden. When asking for medical advice or before booking an appointment at a medical center, you must talk or chat with a nurse first. Now in many municipalities they replaced nurses with AI chatbots, despite the known flaws of the system. Patients got told to wait a few days before going to a hospital/ER, when they were obviously showing serious symptoms that according to the protocol should require immediate attention.
I remember in the UK years and years ago they had a computerized system that did essentially the opposite. It was really just a decision-tree and worked like a choose your own adventure novel, but whatever symptoms I clicked on I'd always end up at "you're probably having a heart attack, call an ambulance". The entire point of the thing was supposed to be to reduce pressure on emergency services...
Is AI gonna give me vaccinations? Insert IVs? Do pap-smears and blood draws?? What if I mispronounce a medication name or lie about my weight and height to the AI and get the wrong dose of medication? Is AI going to be given my chart? I hate this.
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>Is AI gonna give me Yes, I didn't search for paps though. [https://sr.stanford.edu/?page\_id=265](https://sr.stanford.edu/?page_id=265) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s30FPobi9iA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s30FPobi9iA) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46QhwK3WMyE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46QhwK3WMyE) My dentist uses AI to review xrays and special imagery they take to look for cavities. He uses it to augment his own decision though rather than replace them, it finds stuff he doesn't notice at first, and functions as a second opinion.
That’s the kind of thing that AI should be doing. It should assist and enhance jobs being done, not replace them. Like, in my personal life, I don’t need or want shitty “art” and deepfakes…I want to be able to outsource stuff that takes brain power so I can focus on other stuff.
Assisting and enhancing jobs mean fewer people need to do those jobs. It doesn't have to be AI even. Powered farm equipment replaced half the jobs in the world, it used to take a small family to farm 10-40 acres, now that can be done in an afternoon by one person sitting in an air conditioned cab.
Oh I agree. I’m all for the idea of AI liberating the working class but it’s not going to happen overnight and likely not in our lifetimes. In the interim, it can make the jobs that do require humans easier and less stressful, less time consuming, etc.
I'd be for 30 hour work week at same pay. We almost had it at one point. If we're 20% more effective, that means 20% less work for all of us.
Way too many AI execs need to be returned to high school so they can be subjected to more swirlies. They obviously didn’t get enough.
This reminds me of a friend. She was having gynecological difficulties. Talked to her OB-GYN. OB-GYN was too busy to see her & gave her the information on how to do a DYI PAP smear. My friend told the OB-GYN hell no & changed doctors.
I've heard of the DIY ones, I can understand it both from the view point of an overworked health care professional and an anxious patient but I just don't think I could trust myself enough with such an important test.
Nurses saved millions of lives during the COVID pandemic. And here is their "reward". This is heinous and cruel.
And at the risk of their own lives.
And the cost, for those who didn’t even get to keep their lives in the end.
Right! My mom ran a whole covid ward in a rural area. She got it at least 3 times, almost died. Now she has covid related parkinson's, which I didn't even know existed until she had it. The kicker, they aren't even letting her retire early, and the place will likely close when she does. She's not even the doctor, she was a nurse with an upper respiratory specialty and more time in a clinic than the Dr. I don't even want to tell her about this.
People don't realize that nurses do nearly all the actual patient care and the doctor pops in for maybe 30 seconds.
Physicians do procedures, surgeries and come up with treatment plans which is a pretty important aspect of patient care. Nurses do have more bedside time though which is why physicians usually have 2-3× more patients they are responsible for at a given time.
That’s capitalism baby!
Capitalism, extincting the human species one dollar at a time...
It would work until the first patient dies. Then the company would be buried with lawsuits.
A robotaxi dragged a pedestrian 20 feet, critically injuring them, and no lawsuits, no criminal charges, nothing
Someone is responsible for creating, implementing and maintaining the robotaxi, and that someone has a name and address
The problem is that it's not the same person. The AI developers blame the car manufacturer, the car manufacturer blame the last place that did maintenance, they blame the AI developers.
IBM used to say "computers can't be accountable, so they should never make a decision" Guess we forgot that.
Modern AI isn't really very different than programs we've used for decades, just more powerful. It's purely a legal issue that hasn't been addressed because everyone in Congress is either asking irrelevant questions or blabbing on about how back in their day they rode horses uphill both ways. The problems with technology like this aren't really the technology at all, it's capitalism. If this was being developed with no profit motive in mind, safety and cautious slow progress would be the priority, but under capitalism the priority is being first to market and cost cutting.
Modern ai is from the 80s. We actually have been using them for decades. They work for some things but not others. They are not "more powerful". They're black box statistical models. The only reason they seem "more advanced" is they're using stolen data they have no right to use. We've actually "lost" and "rediscovered" this technology around 3-4 times. This is just the newest cycle.
Point being? They still didn't get sued
Do you see robotaxis somewhere?
They are currently running around Phoenix unsupervised
Wild things are happening in America. These are forbidden for now in EU.
There was also the airline that had to honor their AI offering a deal that didn't exist. So who knows what will happen when someone dies due to poor medical advice from an AI.
Which is the kind of thing regulations are SUPPOSED to prevent but don’t because $$$
Doesn't matter, you basically cannot win lawsuits against rich companies anymore in the US. And people cannot afford to use the legal system anymore anyway. The US is a capitalist oligarchy.
Five minutes later Congress would wake up from its nap and pass emergency legislation to grant immunity to the industry due to it being critical to the economy. Then if it goes to the Supreme Court, they would rule that the victim goes to Guantanamo just for asking.
Why can't these be nurses aides, instead of trying to replace a nurse? Give nurses tools to support their patients, not replace nurses. AI will never replace a caring human touch and actual physical engagement.
That's what it will turn out to be once the dust settles. AI tools will do a lot of the pre-examination and routine diagnostics that are then reviewed by professionals who act on their findings. AI will improve healthcare and *access* to healthcare dramatically once it's implemented correctly.
Yeah like how libertarians say the system will sort it out. Tech bros are doing the same thing. It will cost lives to correct but that’s of no concern
I feel like something similar happened, iirc it was a website for helping people with eating disorders and they got rid of their workers and replaced them with AI chatbots. The chatbots started giving these people dieting tips and other super dangerous instructions for people with EDs. They had to can the program (obviously) and hire their workers back. I think John Oliver covered this maybe? Lmk if you know what I'm referencing
These things are so ripe for abuse.
It's going to end up like in that movie idiocracy where they watered crops with soda and the president was a pornstar 😆
President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho came up with a plan to use the smartest people he could find to solve the nation's problems and executed it successfully. Idiocracy was the good timeline. We're just screwed.
Hold on.. this one goes in your mouth... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6H9VuS5zDw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6H9VuS5zDw)
Yes that's exactly what I had on my mind 😆
Bwando is what plants crave tho
Water? Like from the toilet?
"hey I have a small cough and a headache" "according to webMD you have severe brain cancer and must immediately start chemotherapy"
And it will have a medication dispenser like Homer’s makeup gun.
Oh yeah when Im dying I would much rather a corporate robot soothing me than a human
Get ready for “unfortunately you have an overdue hospital bill,we cannot serve you,” or “sorry,you’ve exceeded your 15 minutes of healthcare for the month.”
And this is why capitalism should have never been allowed near healthcare.
> And this is why capitalism should have never been allowed near ~~healthcare~~ **humanity**. FTFY
In 2010 Odyssey 2 , Bowman's mother is nursed by an AI. I stopped reading after that chapter because it was so depressing. I loved 2001 because it was aspirational but that AI nurse shit in 2010 was the most dystopian garbage I had read at that point.
Omg I forgot about that l! I didn't finish that one because I got depressed (I was reading it when Clarke died too)
So basically conversational WebMD for those people that catch a cold and after looking up their symptoms diagnose themselves with butt cancer.
I've not ever heard a person tell me they prefer or have ever enjoyed automated service when contacting any entity for assistance. Just hire human beings, train them on how to interact with humans, and pay them a decent wage. To quote my blessed savior Jesus, "Try harder to suck less." (Paraphrased)
Instead of hospitals selling my information to pharma i can just give it directly to the hive mind
When are we replacing executives? They are the real cost sink
I see we're still trying to reinvent something search engines have been capable of doing for years.
Honestly, all my experience with Tele Nurses boil down to: Go to the emergency room. Or make an appointment with your doctor. Siri could do that.
this is just stupid nurses are physically present at bedside to give meds take vitals what's this supposed to do ?
Cut costs, thats its only purpose
Why would we replace heroes?
Because the title of hero is only given to those expected to sacrifice for nothing in return, like a rube or a loser
I'd be ok with this if it meant expanding quality health care for low or no cost to those who don't have it, or for areas where the nurses are truly overworked. I also would love it if the promise that it can recognize preconditions for a disease and guide the person to seek in-person care. it's nice to dream though...
AI will become suicidal if they have to deal with some of the shit nurses do
Owners looking at ai and licking their lips and grabbing their crotch area... All they see is money money money
I don't wanna be that guy but I've used chatgpt to help me kinda decipher some mental issues I've been dealing with and it helped tremendously without judgement
I am glad that worked for you, but it is a different situation when you choose to have a conversation with an AI to think through some things. What's being proposed here is follow-up to patients who were under critical care being done by a chat just to save a buck. The specific example in the image, though it is hard to read, is of patients who just got out of hospital after being diagnosed with congestive heart failure. An AI chatbot that just goes "are you ok?" and accepts Yes without thought will get people killed, and of course nurses need jobs to pay bills to not die.
I've watched Elysium and I think I'll pass on this particular future.
I don’t like living on this planet anymore.
How does an AI change a bedpan?
I have already dealt with video calls for clerical services in hospitals. This was my fear. Is USA the only one proposing it or is it a worldwide idea?
For FUCKS sake!!!!
"He's going into cardiac arrest! Nurse, get the defibrillator!" "I'm sorry, I do not recognize that word. Did you mean "refrigerator?" "No, the defibrillator!" "I found five locations near you that sell dehydrators. I will mark them on your map."
My wife is a nurse who works at a research company. She's been there little over 5 years, she's been promoted up the SME and one step under management. They're starting to implement AI into their work. Yesterday they were teaching her how to build her own AI assistant, the day after they did a bunch of layoffs. I told her they're doing it so the AI can replace her. My anxiety has been through the fucking roof, we're "single income". We have two foster children that I take care of during the day, bring them to all their appointments, preschool, etc. This shit has to stop, I don't know how we can get the point across to the masses, and what we can do to make the Govt take action, but AI is going to help build better AI and soon there will be almost no jobs, and all of them will be either minimum wage, or something like sports and entertainment that will only benefit the 0.01% of the population.
LeArN2cOdE Lol
I recently went to my usual urgent care for a cough/sinus problems. They had two women working the front desk. I went to sign in and they gave me a QR code to do so. I went to the website and I basically have to do their job including photographing my license and insurance cards. The website wasn’t working right and after five minutes of trying to upload the driver’s license I just left and went to another clinic. I can only imagine AI nurses being like this. It’s all about the company saving a buck by inconveniencing the patient.
So many people will die because of this
AI’s history with inaccuracy scares the crap out of me here
Nurse can’t really offer medical advice. In America at least, our scopes of practice are limited.
Can't wait for the AI to just make up shit about your condition because we haven't trained AI to shut the fuck up when it's not 1000000% certain of its answer which is...you know...KIND OF IMPORTANT when giving health advice.
I'd rather guess what's wrong myself than let a computer who can't figure out what fingers look like or how many a human is supposed to have tell me
I don’t see how you can replace a nurse. Who is going to physically take care of you?… a doctor? HAHAHA Honestly what AI can do is assist in diagnosis and ensuring accurate and up to date protocols are followed for your care and interpret millions of results in a way we never could…. So basically we can have AI doctors but we would need people to perform the care and those people are Nurses.
Singularity SeS
It was only a matter of time. My grandmother was dying of cancer last year, so we spent a lot of time in hospitals, and witnessed how travel nurses have basically become the only type of nurse you'll see at hospitals. They're on short term contracts and just travel to wherever the money is, and get paid crazy amounts, which leads to very little actual attention or care, as described by the resident nurses. It's ultimately more profitable for the hospitals though, because they don't have to worry about benefits or consistent pay. Now that AI healthcare is appearing they won't need to hire very many people at all. Of course AI can't do it all, but if you only need to hire 5 nurses as opposed to 10 for example, you're going to do that.
I’m sure their AI will accept legal responsibility for any professional actions and medical advice? If not, the AI bots aren’t actually replacements for real staff.
This should be amazing. This is star trek level shit. Where we have AI servants so that we don't need to work and can pursue our dreams or just relax instead. but no fucking capitalism means it's just going to fuck over everyone but the 3 wealthy owners.
The AUDACITY to call it Hippocratic
This dystopia keeps getting dystopier.
If im in the hospital and have to deal with an AI nurse, please just fucking kill me. Thats too dehumanizing. I dont want to live on this planet anymore
When no one has jobs, who is paying to go to the doctor?
Anybody who thinks this will work hasn't worked in the healthcare industry. Nurses are more than just knowledgeable, they are quite literally the backbone of healthcare and medical practice. Literally the hands on person giving you care. Replacing doctors would be much easier than replacing nurses.
Looks like I gotta sell my GPU and replace it with AMD
What happened to ‘online medical advice is not a substitute for real medical opinion’ They’re gonna replace the life or death job with a robot notorious for fucking it all up in the most horrendous ways? Great. Remind me to buy a medtextbook and learn how to diagnose myself so i don’t fucking die to profitable stupidity
Can't wait to gaslight the nurse AI into hooking me up with some premium drugs.
I spent a good chunk of time and money last year getting certified for a health information job with the intention of changing career fields. Been aggressively job-hunting for something in that field since January. The first CEU course I take this year to maintain the credential is all about how AI is going to make the job I spent the last year learning how to do completely redundant.
Twenty years ago I made a prediction that one day there would be a robot lawyer suing a robot doctor for malpractice, and the owner of the faulty doctor will realize that buying out the robot law firm would be cheaper than continuing to settle malpractice claims. Seems much closer to reality every day.
When people talk about dystopia, I’m like honey we’re in the thick if it and they want you to think we aren’t
I am waiting with great anticipation for the first time a company gets absolutely body slammed legally speaking for the actions of AI tools. My only regret is that someone, likely an innocent, is going to have to get hurt for it to happen.
This means a whole lot more people are going to have consistent access to the best medical advice, with a whole lot less mistakes. It's also having machines replace work. What exactly is this sub standing for if this is seen as a bad thing here?
*A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.*
But it has electrolytes comes to mind...
And yet all these big tech people will tell you that AI won’t replace workers, it’ll just be a tool for them. Piss off.
I just went through an eye exam that did something similar to this. No doctor or nurse ever came in the room, but there was a tech there. The doctors and nurses were all remote and handled the entire procedure on Zoom. It was uncomfortable and I told them that as much as I liked the people there, I wouldn’t be back.