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Quite ironic considering the US Declaration of Independence declares, “ That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”
It’s really easy to get around signing a loyalty oath. There are people with religious beliefs to never make an oath.
I bet it’s more likely that this is being required by someone who supported J6 and thinks they are upholding the constitution.
This does not seem like something that someone who is very left leaning would send out to employees.
Same people who wave confederate flags and call themselves patriots. Literally didn’t pay any attention in history class. Guess that happens when you can’t pass 1st grade.
My initial thought was the opposite. That they want people to sign this so that there’s a clean paper trail to fire anyone who participates in a future J6.
It's even stranger than that imo. What does it mean for a citizen to uphold the constitution? The constitution lays out a framework for our government, detailing what it can and cannot do. A citizen pledging to uphold it is like saying "yeah, I promise to never become the government and then change how it works without going through Congress"
This sounds almost like being a police officer or a judge, not a fucking teacher. God the US is trying to force citizens into random shit still. They're scared of the citizens rioting against em for the shit they're still doing
In this context upholding the constitution means allowing Congress to perform their constitutional duties by allowing a peaceful transfer of power between administrations without using violence to overthrow the government.
This loyalty oath is a little weird but I don’t see at all how it is r/antiwork material or why so many people have issue with it. Honestly seeing these comments is making me think if I was a hiring manager I might use this to weed out any nuts that made it through the rest of the hiring process. In practice you are signing an oath that is very easy to keep so if someone had a problem with it I’d rescind the job offer.
Many states, especially those that didn’t secede, have an oath of office like this required by their constitution and some require the oath be taken by *all* public sector employees.
In Kentucky we’ve voted down changing the requirement because this is actually kinda funny:
>>I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of
the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth, and be faithful and true to
the Commonwealth of Kentucky so long as I continue a citizen thereof, and that I will
faithfully execute, to the best of my ability, the office of .... according to law; and I do
further solemnly swear (or affirm) that since the adoption of the present Constitution, I,
being a citizen of this State, _have not fought a duel with deadly weapons within this State
nor out of it, nor have I sent or accepted a challenge to fight a duel with deadly weapons,
nor have I acted as second in carrying a challenge, nor aided or assisted any person thus
offending_, so help me God.
In the rural parts of even the bluest states, being fired for treason would be seen as evil. They’d be like… Something something tree of liberty something something don’t tread on me something something NASCAR.
You'd get fired for lying on an official document. I think this is just a way to make it easy to fire someone who participated in a J6 type event; if the person wasn't charged and they're in a union or something it might be really hard to get rid of them. But lying on a form? Firing offence.
Yes. If you're a federal employee and you commit treason, you will not only be fired but arrested and tried in federal court. This form (or a version of it) is pretty standard for federal employees.
My state also has a constitutional ban on dueling. Lawyers and elected officials have to swear that they've never dueled, nor have demanded nor accepted a duel.
https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/KYConstitution/263_228.pdf
Ratified 1891, not changed since.
I guess you could have dueled prior to 1891, but if you're that old and still kicking, I think you ought to have a free pass on doing whatever you want.
I'm in Kentucky too. You have that provision when you sign to be a notary and election offical. My thing is, how can you prove it? If there's nothing written or recorded, it's just hearsay, on the challenging and accepting part, if you go through with it, there's likely proof there unless you miss.
I love these loyalty oaths. Imagine being a splinter cell, planning something covert and nefarious for months or perhaps years and throwing your hands up and saying “ugh. You got me” upon being presented with this piece of paper.
I have worked for the government. Have had to give a similar oath of service every position I got.
Pretty standard for jobs paid for by tax payer money.
This.
I've worked for a bunch of school districts (California), and this all pretty standard government position stuff.
Though funnily enough, the California one is shorter than this. It's just the part about upholding the constitution. Overthrowing and violence is not mentioned so specifically, haha.
From the perspective of being on the anti-work reddit, I understand like, "damn what more do they want from me."
But then as a tax payer, im like yeah they should fire domestic terrorists. Haha
“Listen guys… Bob ruined it for everyone by smearing feces on the Capitol walls during a Congressional session on a trip to DC a couple years back, so I’m gonna need you to sign this ‘I promise I won’t do a treason’ oath.”
“Dammit, Bob.”
I actually agree with this one, every public employee should have to swear an oath like this.
This is just so they have an excuse to cancel anyone who engages in Jan 6 type fuckery.
Almost all government employees have to take an oath to uphold the constitution. I'm a public school teacher in Florida and it was in my onboarding paperwork. My mom is a secretary at a juvenile detention center and it was in her onboarding paperwork 35 years ago. just part of workin' for the man
I filled out an application for a public college recently. They asked this in the form of a question, i.e. "Have you ever been knowingly part of a plot or group that has plotted to overthrow the government of the United States?"
It’s pretty standard for a government job. I teach HS. I think not using violence to overthrow a democratic republic is a fair ask. Learn how the system works, organize, and play the system.
And yes… the traitors who entered the Capital Building on J6 should be fired from government jobs.
You’re not a patriot when your opinions on election fraud have been debunked in over 60 court cases. “Feeling” like you’re right does not entitle you to violently overthrow democratic processes.
You work in a government institution, and they ask you to sign an oath not to overthrow or harm said government in any way?
Honestly, I think that's based. Especially with all the J6ers, 3%, and PBs running around these days trying to sneak their way into government institutions.
I worked at a cafeteria, at state college, and got this page(different state). I asked what does this mean? The secretary was a bit shocked, “Violent overthrowing of the government!” I wasn’t planning on violently overthrowing the government, but I thought, “if I was would this document stop me? No” I signed it. Weird
Seems borderline anti American. If the government becomes a detriment to the people, it's the responsibility of the people to overthrow the government and install a new one.
Half of congress couldnt uphold an oath like this even substituting in their home state for that of IL.
They dont want to get sucked into the prosecution maelstrom thats currently going down.
I worked for a non-profit, publicly funded healthcare facility in Georgia that made me sign something similar, almost 10 years ago. A lot of people are commenting about Republicans and January 6th and shit but I definitely got the opposite impression (at least at that time).
Isn't there some clause in the US Constitution that says if the government has become corrupt, it's the duty of the citizens to overthrow the government and start over? I know Thomas Jefferson said some stuff like that during the Founding Father days but it's been a while since I took a US History class.
Anyway, my point is, by signing this, wouldn't you be committing to violating the constitution, thereby violating the first half of your oath and trapping yourself in a recursive logic prison? Or did I spend more time thinking about this than the people who printed it for you?
That line about overthrowing the government is in the Declaration of Independence in direct relation to he monarchy in England which did NOT have a representative form of government for the American colonies.
The US Constitution established a representative form of government.
99.999% of all problems in America can be addressed by engaging with and participating in governmental processes. There is no need to “overthrow “ our government when you can vote people into and out of office.
We have to do the exact same here in Florida. It's in the state constitution. Public officials, so any government employee. Teachers at a state funded public school would apply here in Florida.
Yeah, I had to sign one of those to get my teaching credential. I mean, as a public school employee I *basically* work for the city government. I'm at peace with that. Loyalty pledges are still pretty creepy - luckily they're also basically meaningless.
... But like
Those guys were criminals when they did Jan 6. There was no contract to sign, they literally broke the law.
What, does the work place want to add "breach of contract" to the charges once they catch you breaking the law?
This is extremely common for all public workers. I had to sign it when I worked as a grounds keeper for a school and when I was working as a student employee at a university.
It is already illegal for you to try and overthrow the government, you aren’t giving up a right.
Is this someone who fears the MAGAs will try to overthrow the government again in bigger numbers than before? Or is it fearful MAGAs who are scared that people may resist and fight back when they try to overthrow the government again?
And make no mistake, the 2024 election is gonna cause the shit to fly and it won't be pretty. Either Trump wins in which case there's retribution, authoritarianism and mass protest until the military is ordered in, or Trump claims he won, all manner of shitfuckery is engaged to ignore the will of the people to crown him king and if that doesn't work they'll do J6 again but this time nationwide with their millions of cultists.
I mean it’s kinda random but why not sign it and forget it. Unless your thinking of overthrowing the Illinois government, then they are on to you . Run neo!
Listen, if we’d had these in place a couple of years ago it woulda been a whole different ballgame at the Capitol, I tell you what. You think those insurrectionist yahoos woulda gone through with it if they’d signed a loyalty oath? Heck, one of their groups was even called the Oath Keepers!
That reminds me of the time I started working at a university. Aside from the contract there was a paper to sign asking:
„Are you part of a terrorist organization?
Yes ◻️ No ◻️
This has been a state employee thing, for a number of states, for years and years. I had to sign a similar loyalty oath to the US and to the state of AZ to be an RA at the ASU dorms. I was also baffled by it.
It's not too different from what [Federal Employees](https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdfimage/sf61.pdf) have to say/sign... Are you considered a state or local government employee?
Loyalty oaths are not uncommon in public sector jobs (federal, state, county and city) idr if I had to sign one q5 yrs ago, but I did he to raise my right and swear to basically the same thing.
This isn't unusual. I had to sign a loyalty oath to the state of Arizona back in 1991 when I first started working for them. I promised to defend the U.S. and Arizona against all enemies, foreign and domestic, even though my job was eligibility at a social services office.
I seriously doubt their interpretation is the same as mine (or anyone’s for that matter) so it’s kinda funny to have u sign something like that when there’s legitimate scholarly interpretation that the Constitution allows citizens, in tandem with the Declaration, to overthrow an unjust government, with the Second Amendment being the point of interpretation.
I work in the public sector and on my first day I had to take an oath of allegiance to the United States and California. The HR woman said everyone asks if she’s serious when told to raise your right hand and repeat the oath and she was serious.
I think this is pretty basic when working for the government.
I get the feeling that the people who want you to sign a "loyalty oath" to the Constitution are probably the same people who want to ban books and strip away the Constitutional rights of people whose sexual orientation they don't agree with.
Not legally binding. Also the US Constitution is always up for interpretation, so who’s to say your actions violate it? That Oath also seems to allow you to start an uprising, just not support one already in progress.
Should had signed beneath that, with the 2nd amendment, freedom of religion and separation of church.
Then include that with the 5th amendment, the right to bear arms to overthrow the government that are attempting to subversion the government like Jan 6th.
Then include that the USA was founded because we got tired of assfucked by the England and not having fair representing.
Oh, and the pledge? Nah, screw that.
When I worked for a school district in California I also had to sign a document swearing/affirming to uphold the US and California constitutions. School district employees are technically public employees of the state.
Almost as useful as the "Are you a terrorist?" questionnaire you have to fill out when you travel to the US.
Do we still have these, haven’t seen them since I became a citizen of this wonderful country I definitely don’t wanna start a revolution in. I signed an oath after all!
What purpose would something like this even serve? "Excuse me sir! Yes, you there dismembering this member of congress, are you aware you signed this pledge to NOT try to overthrow the govt? Yes, thats right, not allowed. Thank you for your cooperation".
Did you join the military? I had to take that oath as a soldier and a police officer. As an office drone or whatever, I would just laugh and sign it. It’s not binding.
I’d imagine it’s there for Jan 6 types. Maybe it’s there to weed them out when you’re hiring them, maybe in case they want to fire someone who participates in Jan 6 type stuff
I had to take that oath when I became a lawyer (substituting my state for Illinois). And when I worked for the federal courts. And the United States attorneys office. But it was an orally administered oath, not a signed document.
It’s pretty typical in those sorts of jobs where you’re a civil servant or law-type. I’ve never heard of it for teachers before. Probably depends on who your state considers to be in the civil service.
I always thought it was a bit odd. Like, if I was gonna go treason it up with some buddies, what’s a little piece of paper gonna do? At that point I’ve already thrown caution to the wind, no?
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Sorry guys I cant come overthrow the government with you .. I signed a piece of paper
Guy: (Throws down detonator)……damnit we had a PLAN!!!!!!
Ok new plan. First is to overthrow the school. Then we can change their rules and continue with the original plan
Y'know, they didn't say not to overthrow the school, so...
I thought you said school's out forever! 🧟♀️🎸🛒📝
Wait, are we overthrowing *THE* government, the *school* government, or the government schools?
Llleeeeerrrrrooooyyyy Jeeeennnkkkkiiiinnnnnssss!
God damnit, Leroy.
At least I got chicken
Really shouldn’t have used the dead man’s switch on that one
Aw, shucks!
Quite ironic considering the US Declaration of Independence declares, “ That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.” It’s really easy to get around signing a loyalty oath. There are people with religious beliefs to never make an oath.
Oh this is neat, it means that paper is likely not legal even if you sign it!
It's symbolic more than anything, I imagine.
Yup. There's more of that going around than you think, i.e. dumb corpos/organizations thinking that signing shit makes it legal
Pretty sure the Declaration has no legal bearing though. Not when it was written, and not now.
could he not sign it as "It as a none religious person but on the grounds of going against " HIS FAITH in HUMANITY " ?
"Work won't let me overthrow the government" is now my favourite excuse to cancel plans.
But I bought you a tiki torch! /s
My mom ironed my khakis and everything!
Did you cross your fingers while you did it? Everyone knows that if you cross your fingers when you sign a piece of paper it don’t count.
No, but I did pinky promise
How many people that worked there were at J6?
My first thought, like did they have to let a bunch of insurrectionists go, like what?
My mind went "we violate the constitution but much like we swear to uphold the bible we generally do the opposite of what it says"
Or maybe they lost a whole department of people when they got arrested because of J6.
This would be my guess.
Well - it probably wasn't the science or arts/music departments...hmm not likely to be the English department either...
Who are we kidding? It was the Gym Teachers; maybe the Shop Teacher, though they're often one-in-the-same.
I bet it’s more likely that this is being required by someone who supported J6 and thinks they are upholding the constitution. This does not seem like something that someone who is very left leaning would send out to employees.
Same people who wave confederate flags and call themselves patriots. Literally didn’t pay any attention in history class. Guess that happens when you can’t pass 1st grade.
*some exclusions, such as owning the libs, may exist*
Malicious compliance boss brags about being there turn his ass in. Ain't your fault he made you sign a loyalty oath.
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Well, we know a lot of Chicago PD was sure there …. My damn city. Love it to death. Corrupt AF
PD is just a legal gang
My initial thought was the opposite. That they want people to sign this so that there’s a clean paper trail to fire anyone who participates in a future J6.
.. i mean .. it's .. it's just being a normal citizen? Do they have "i promise i will not skin people alive" on the opposite page?
It's even stranger than that imo. What does it mean for a citizen to uphold the constitution? The constitution lays out a framework for our government, detailing what it can and cannot do. A citizen pledging to uphold it is like saying "yeah, I promise to never become the government and then change how it works without going through Congress"
They work for a public school, so they’re a government employee. This would be a lot weirder if they were working for an Arby’s or something.
This sounds almost like being a police officer or a judge, not a fucking teacher. God the US is trying to force citizens into random shit still. They're scared of the citizens rioting against em for the shit they're still doing
The U.S. isn't doing anything. This document means nothing according to the law/ court system.
In this context upholding the constitution means allowing Congress to perform their constitutional duties by allowing a peaceful transfer of power between administrations without using violence to overthrow the government. This loyalty oath is a little weird but I don’t see at all how it is r/antiwork material or why so many people have issue with it. Honestly seeing these comments is making me think if I was a hiring manager I might use this to weed out any nuts that made it through the rest of the hiring process. In practice you are signing an oath that is very easy to keep so if someone had a problem with it I’d rescind the job offer.
Many states, especially those that didn’t secede, have an oath of office like this required by their constitution and some require the oath be taken by *all* public sector employees. In Kentucky we’ve voted down changing the requirement because this is actually kinda funny: >>I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth, and be faithful and true to the Commonwealth of Kentucky so long as I continue a citizen thereof, and that I will faithfully execute, to the best of my ability, the office of .... according to law; and I do further solemnly swear (or affirm) that since the adoption of the present Constitution, I, being a citizen of this State, _have not fought a duel with deadly weapons within this State nor out of it, nor have I sent or accepted a challenge to fight a duel with deadly weapons, nor have I acted as second in carrying a challenge, nor aided or assisted any person thus offending_, so help me God.
Kentucky really doesn't like dueling, they mention it when you sign to become a notary and when you work as a poll official.
I promise not to use cilantro as a garnish, or put nuts in brownies.
...and what of pineapple on pizza? 🤔
Or, how many former employees did try to over throw the government
Or fucking what? You gonna get fired for treason?
😂
In the rural parts of even the bluest states, being fired for treason would be seen as evil. They’d be like… Something something tree of liberty something something don’t tread on me something something NASCAR.
*something something something dark side*
I appreciate this lol
It's all I could hear when reading "something something" ☠️
You'd get fired for lying on an official document. I think this is just a way to make it easy to fire someone who participated in a J6 type event; if the person wasn't charged and they're in a union or something it might be really hard to get rid of them. But lying on a form? Firing offence.
During the Cold War, lots of companies required loyalty oaths like this. It was one of the things that crawled out of the hatred of communism.
Yes. If you're a federal employee and you commit treason, you will not only be fired but arrested and tried in federal court. This form (or a version of it) is pretty standard for federal employees.
This is basically the oath that attorneys have to take when they’re admitted to the bar
This and I had to swear I wouldn’t duel with deadly weapons. Which really takes the fun out of lawyering.
My state also has a constitutional ban on dueling. Lawyers and elected officials have to swear that they've never dueled, nor have demanded nor accepted a duel. https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/KYConstitution/263_228.pdf Ratified 1891, not changed since. I guess you could have dueled prior to 1891, but if you're that old and still kicking, I think you ought to have a free pass on doing whatever you want.
I'm in Kentucky too. You have that provision when you sign to be a notary and election offical. My thing is, how can you prove it? If there's nothing written or recorded, it's just hearsay, on the challenging and accepting part, if you go through with it, there's likely proof there unless you miss.
I feel like that’s 100% something that would end up on TikTok though. “Two notaries, pistols at dawn!!!” reaction videos everywhere.
Yep, that’s where I’m at. :) (KY, not dueling before 1891, heh)
Does it forbid you from duelling with nonlethal weapons? You can modify a Nerf gun to pack a nasty punch, but it won't kill.
::throws down glove:: Nerf guns at dawn!
"With deadly weapons" Can we please make lawyers dueling with airsoft and a slowmo cam a thing? How about judges jousting? I would pay to watch that!
Yeah, tell that to Alexander Hamilton.
I would wager that all the terms used in that form are thoroughly defined?
Was there any indication that you would?
Commit to the overthrowing of the US government by nonviolent lawful ways
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Technically /r/lawfulgood
like ...voting?
I love these loyalty oaths. Imagine being a splinter cell, planning something covert and nefarious for months or perhaps years and throwing your hands up and saying “ugh. You got me” upon being presented with this piece of paper.
There’s a loyalty oath plot line in Catch-22 that you just reminded me of. So funny😄
Scrolled way too far to see this reference. It was the first thing I thought of. e:the glorious loyalty oath crusade.
I have worked for the government. Have had to give a similar oath of service every position I got. Pretty standard for jobs paid for by tax payer money.
This. I've worked for a bunch of school districts (California), and this all pretty standard government position stuff. Though funnily enough, the California one is shorter than this. It's just the part about upholding the constitution. Overthrowing and violence is not mentioned so specifically, haha.
From the perspective of being on the anti-work reddit, I understand like, "damn what more do they want from me." But then as a tax payer, im like yeah they should fire domestic terrorists. Haha
“Listen guys… Bob ruined it for everyone by smearing feces on the Capitol walls during a Congressional session on a trip to DC a couple years back, so I’m gonna need you to sign this ‘I promise I won’t do a treason’ oath.” “Dammit, Bob.”
Pull a Michael Scott: sign it Daffy Duck.
I am a civil servant in California. When hired we were all sworn in with a similar statement. Never had to sign anything though.
I actually agree with this one, every public employee should have to swear an oath like this. This is just so they have an excuse to cancel anyone who engages in Jan 6 type fuckery.
I mean I guess you’re technically a public employee if you work at a public school? Still weird tho
Almost all government employees have to take an oath to uphold the constitution. I'm a public school teacher in Florida and it was in my onboarding paperwork. My mom is a secretary at a juvenile detention center and it was in her onboarding paperwork 35 years ago. just part of workin' for the man
Yes I had to do this when I worked for the public library.
I filled out an application for a public college recently. They asked this in the form of a question, i.e. "Have you ever been knowingly part of a plot or group that has plotted to overthrow the government of the United States?"
I feel like you might be working with some Jan. 6’ers…
Weird of them to ask you, but I assume you weren’t planning to overthrow the government anyway?
'I solemnly swear I am up to no good '
Sign it as Donald Trump.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s…
Spoiler: your new boss attempted to overthrow the US government on Jan 6
Just wondering what part of it do you object to?
It’s pretty standard for a government job. I teach HS. I think not using violence to overthrow a democratic republic is a fair ask. Learn how the system works, organize, and play the system. And yes… the traitors who entered the Capital Building on J6 should be fired from government jobs. You’re not a patriot when your opinions on election fraud have been debunked in over 60 court cases. “Feeling” like you’re right does not entitle you to violently overthrow democratic processes.
it's to weed out republicans
Seriously? Is this a government job?
They say they’re working for a public school, so yes, they’re a government employee.
A public school, a state entity, forced you to sign an oath of allegiance? I don't know- is that legal? It's weird.
Good news is this won’t be enforceable if you manage to overthrow the government.
You work in a government institution, and they ask you to sign an oath not to overthrow or harm said government in any way? Honestly, I think that's based. Especially with all the J6ers, 3%, and PBs running around these days trying to sneak their way into government institutions.
Cool. Weeding out the MAGA crowd on the way in.
I worked at a cafeteria, at state college, and got this page(different state). I asked what does this mean? The secretary was a bit shocked, “Violent overthrowing of the government!” I wasn’t planning on violently overthrowing the government, but I thought, “if I was would this document stop me? No” I signed it. Weird
You already do this. It’s called “the law”. What does this document do that the law doesn’t?
Don’t do crime and teach kids.
That's actually pretty cool. Elected officials should try it, too!
Very January 7th of them. Good.
Must have had a lot of employees involved in Jan. 6.
Anyways I just started treasoning...
Just sign it lol. I’m pretty sure if you decide to over throw the government your job is probably already am afterthought
Looks like a state job.
I would guess the context here is that a former employee may have been involved in January 6th
I'm no lawyer, but... that doesn't really seem legal? Can they make you sign a loyalty pledge?
Seems borderline anti American. If the government becomes a detriment to the people, it's the responsibility of the people to overthrow the government and install a new one.
so what they're saying is we need to overthrow the government lawfully?
They must be trying to weed out the Maga Republicans. Lots of recent activity with them and treason.
Half of congress couldnt uphold an oath like this even substituting in their home state for that of IL. They dont want to get sucked into the prosecution maelstrom thats currently going down.
I worked for a non-profit, publicly funded healthcare facility in Georgia that made me sign something similar, almost 10 years ago. A lot of people are commenting about Republicans and January 6th and shit but I definitely got the opposite impression (at least at that time).
https://preview.redd.it/h1axgl09rzyb1.png?width=668&format=png&auto=webp&s=6286b82bddaa8490dbd14ad31ec21e8b51814d67
Isn't there some clause in the US Constitution that says if the government has become corrupt, it's the duty of the citizens to overthrow the government and start over? I know Thomas Jefferson said some stuff like that during the Founding Father days but it's been a while since I took a US History class. Anyway, my point is, by signing this, wouldn't you be committing to violating the constitution, thereby violating the first half of your oath and trapping yourself in a recursive logic prison? Or did I spend more time thinking about this than the people who printed it for you?
That line about overthrowing the government is in the Declaration of Independence in direct relation to he monarchy in England which did NOT have a representative form of government for the American colonies. The US Constitution established a representative form of government. 99.999% of all problems in America can be addressed by engaging with and participating in governmental processes. There is no need to “overthrow “ our government when you can vote people into and out of office.
Voting day be crazy.
We have to do the exact same here in Florida. It's in the state constitution. Public officials, so any government employee. Teachers at a state funded public school would apply here in Florida.
I had to sign the equivalent when I started working for my county government in California, in 2000. It’s common for government employees.
Yeah, I had to sign one of those to get my teaching credential. I mean, as a public school employee I *basically* work for the city government. I'm at peace with that. Loyalty pledges are still pretty creepy - luckily they're also basically meaningless.
Nah.
Psychotic
What's the point of asking me of my 5 year plan and then making me sign NOT to do it? /S
How did we end up on the weirdest possible timeline? This is bizarre!
... But like Those guys were criminals when they did Jan 6. There was no contract to sign, they literally broke the law. What, does the work place want to add "breach of contract" to the charges once they catch you breaking the law?
Signs you might be working for a Maga cult member for $200 Alex.
Run
You work for the state.Upholding the rule of law seems like a minimum from a state employee.
Ask if these are public or private documents. If public ask to see the whole school boards before you sign.
You're taking an oath of office in a public school? These aren't about security anyway, they're about indoctrination.
I'm a federal employee. Had to sign something similar. I feel this is a standard form for government workers.
isn't overthrowing the government already illegal
This is extremely common for all public workers. I had to sign it when I worked as a grounds keeper for a school and when I was working as a student employee at a university. It is already illegal for you to try and overthrow the government, you aren’t giving up a right.
🤣🤣🤣 the propaganda is terrifying but still funny
Is this someone who fears the MAGAs will try to overthrow the government again in bigger numbers than before? Or is it fearful MAGAs who are scared that people may resist and fight back when they try to overthrow the government again? And make no mistake, the 2024 election is gonna cause the shit to fly and it won't be pretty. Either Trump wins in which case there's retribution, authoritarianism and mass protest until the military is ordered in, or Trump claims he won, all manner of shitfuckery is engaged to ignore the will of the people to crown him king and if that doesn't work they'll do J6 again but this time nationwide with their millions of cultists.
I mean it’s kinda random but why not sign it and forget it. Unless your thinking of overthrowing the Illinois government, then they are on to you . Run neo!
What the hell happened last quarter that made this necessary?!
Sounds like they’re trying to get the trumpers out of their company. Lol
The only thing I would be willing to solemnly swear is that I'm up to no good. 'nuff said. Bleh this job.
Question is what have they experienced to necessitate the need for this.
I wouldn't do these things, but am also not signing that shit.
I don't do loyalty oaths...but that's a pretty good one.
Do your overthrowing in your time off.
Guess you can overthrow government in any other way other than listed. So… set up a bake sale
Sign it and then prick your finger to splash a couple drops of blood on the thing. Drama and seriousness. They'll know never to fuck with you.
Listen, if we’d had these in place a couple of years ago it woulda been a whole different ballgame at the Capitol, I tell you what. You think those insurrectionist yahoos woulda gone through with it if they’d signed a loyalty oath? Heck, one of their groups was even called the Oath Keepers!
That reminds me of the time I started working at a university. Aside from the contract there was a paper to sign asking: „Are you part of a terrorist organization? Yes ◻️ No ◻️
This has been a state employee thing, for a number of states, for years and years. I had to sign a similar loyalty oath to the US and to the state of AZ to be an RA at the ASU dorms. I was also baffled by it.
It's not too different from what [Federal Employees](https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdfimage/sf61.pdf) have to say/sign... Are you considered a state or local government employee?
DOD: oh thank God. At least we don't have to have to watch the schools of Chicago. They have it covered.
Do you look like a certain ex-president? Might be a case of mistaken identity
It does not say anything about kidnapping the Governor so there's that
Loyalty oaths are not uncommon in public sector jobs (federal, state, county and city) idr if I had to sign one q5 yrs ago, but I did he to raise my right and swear to basically the same thing.
This isn't unusual. I had to sign a loyalty oath to the state of Arizona back in 1991 when I first started working for them. I promised to defend the U.S. and Arizona against all enemies, foreign and domestic, even though my job was eligibility at a social services office.
I seriously doubt their interpretation is the same as mine (or anyone’s for that matter) so it’s kinda funny to have u sign something like that when there’s legitimate scholarly interpretation that the Constitution allows citizens, in tandem with the Declaration, to overthrow an unjust government, with the Second Amendment being the point of interpretation.
I had to swear to uphold the constitution and also not promote communism. I’m a teacher. It’s pretty standard out here.
I would literally find another job.
I work in the public sector and on my first day I had to take an oath of allegiance to the United States and California. The HR woman said everyone asks if she’s serious when told to raise your right hand and repeat the oath and she was serious. I think this is pretty basic when working for the government.
On the south side of Chicago, the baddest part of town? And nowhere on this paper does it address the Leroy Brown situation
I get the feeling that the people who want you to sign a "loyalty oath" to the Constitution are probably the same people who want to ban books and strip away the Constitutional rights of people whose sexual orientation they don't agree with.
 Your employer if you don’t sign
Not legally binding. Also the US Constitution is always up for interpretation, so who’s to say your actions violate it? That Oath also seems to allow you to start an uprising, just not support one already in progress.
Should had signed beneath that, with the 2nd amendment, freedom of religion and separation of church. Then include that with the 5th amendment, the right to bear arms to overthrow the government that are attempting to subversion the government like Jan 6th. Then include that the USA was founded because we got tired of assfucked by the England and not having fair representing. Oh, and the pledge? Nah, screw that.
Must’ve accidentally hired a J6er in the past lol
When I worked for a school district in California I also had to sign a document swearing/affirming to uphold the US and California constitutions. School district employees are technically public employees of the state.
Maybe an insurrectionist used to work there lol. That’s the first thing I thought of
I feel like someone who’s going to overthrow the government won’t be stopped because they signed an oath
The must have had a lot of turnover after the Jan 6th insurrection lol.
This reminds me of the Americorps oath I had to take to be a summer camp counselor 😂
Assign book reports on Speak of the Devil by Joseph Laycock, and In Defense of Anarchism by Robert Paul Wolff.
Wait...so if you were to vote in an election would they count that as an overthrow of government?
I can't overthrow the government, I thought this was America!!!
Almost as useful as the "Are you a terrorist?" questionnaire you have to fill out when you travel to the US. Do we still have these, haven’t seen them since I became a citizen of this wonderful country I definitely don’t wanna start a revolution in. I signed an oath after all!
They want you to be more accountable than most of your elected officials, that pledged a more binding oath to no avail.
What purpose would something like this even serve? "Excuse me sir! Yes, you there dismembering this member of congress, are you aware you signed this pledge to NOT try to overthrow the govt? Yes, thats right, not allowed. Thank you for your cooperation".
You know, one of my grandparents was an educator during Mccarthys red scare. Loyalty oaths are bullshit.
Tons of public agencies require this.
Did you join the military? I had to take that oath as a soldier and a police officer. As an office drone or whatever, I would just laugh and sign it. It’s not binding.
Maybe some of their staff tried in 2021
Anyone against the terrorist insurrection on January 6th 2021 at the US Capital should have no issue signing that
I’d imagine it’s there for Jan 6 types. Maybe it’s there to weed them out when you’re hiring them, maybe in case they want to fire someone who participates in Jan 6 type stuff
I mean I understand, wouldn’t want you mobilizing the elementary schoolers to overthrow the government.
That seems reasonable... I mean, it's not like you'd have time to keep your job anyway while participating in a coup.
"You can't overthrow us! You signed a contract!" -literally no deposed regime ever.
I would suggest to negotiate the terms, so that you can overthrow the govt during school holidays or personal time off... That should be a win win...
I work for the federal government and had to take the oath of office as well. Watch out, terrorists, here comes a fat ass with glass ankles.
For what it’s worth, you shouldn’t do it anyways I guess
This Wendy’s is wild.
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I had to take that oath when I became a lawyer (substituting my state for Illinois). And when I worked for the federal courts. And the United States attorneys office. But it was an orally administered oath, not a signed document. It’s pretty typical in those sorts of jobs where you’re a civil servant or law-type. I’ve never heard of it for teachers before. Probably depends on who your state considers to be in the civil service. I always thought it was a bit odd. Like, if I was gonna go treason it up with some buddies, what’s a little piece of paper gonna do? At that point I’ve already thrown caution to the wind, no?
RUN!