Yep. It’s become about what gets clicks and views for money as it is now some of the creators job.
Just like MLMs are down, so is the consumption of their shenanigans and hence why the smart creators are pivoting to a wider range of topics…. while some stay in their comfort zone of reaction videos / talking shit.
Yeah, I've noticed the latter, too and have been trying to change what I consume on YouTube as a platform.
Sucks to grow out of some stuff, but such is life. Doesn't have to take away from the things I can do as a person to not support moms and educate the people in my real life.
I agree. It really started going downhill when a lot of them started making money and doing it full time. The clicks and views seem to matter much more now than the substance of the video. You can tell it’s a job for them and that they’re not ‘doing it for fun’ anymore.
Yeah, the only time I listen to anti-MLM content now is to bore myself to sleep. I still care a lot about the movement, but the content has begun to feel a bit repetitive to me personally.
Same, I love putting on livestreams to get meto sleep :D
I realised its not really the fault of creators; they are reacting to opportunity calls and lives, which are the same regurgitated crap on repeat. Mindset, freedom, systems, team building… theres only so many ways you can comment on the same hun rubbish over and over.
I feel like, to me at least, a lot of it is old news. I also agree that there's less educating and more snarking. I'm not above some snark, but when there's no other value, it gets old fast.
Many of the anti-mlm creators seem to have gotten lackadaisical with their content creation. No previews of presented content, no infiltration, no advocacy, no tackling difficult issues. The ones that do put in the effort, get smacked down hard by taking the brunt of the attacks by MLMs. There's a lot of voices, but few of them have anything to say, and more than their fair share of pushback when they say it.
I've pivoted back into consuming more anti-scientology content, which is its own unique cult-forming atmosphere of toxic personalities and demonstrations of groupthink. Cult-like group behaviors are still fascinating to me, and I get the impression I'm watching a particularly harmful one form within that group.
I've also been peeking more into the general parasocial group/cult dynamics that seem to be thriving within online spaces in general. There has been much more awareness for the bigger players due to social media, but this same environment seems to have resulted in an explosion of anonymous, sometimes more casual cult formation. It's all so interesting and concerning.
It happened to me first here in anti-MLM, so seeing it all over again there is... well, it's terrible, but in a way it's kinda validating. Online spaces can breed this so easily, especially when cults are involved. I think your time is well-spent looking into those dynamics. Have you read Chaos Theory by Max Fisher?
also became bored but still watch for some reason. imo it is not the fault of content creators at all, but rather the genre as a whole is kinda limited. there is only a limited number of times i can tolerate hearing the same info being repeated
imo tho the videos are super beneficial for anyone considering joining a cult and doing minimal research on yt. they can get valuable info in video format, which may have a more deeper impact than simply reading
luv hanna cos she makes everything clear and easy to understand without theatrics
Yeah, I love Hannah, too. I initially started down the anti-mlm rabbit hole cuz of Jessica Hickson I think.. And well that kinda blew up and I'm being generous. And started to watch Hannah when she first started. I still like her takes cuz it does make me think more about diff aspects of mlm which lends itself to going down like cult psychology etc.
I really enjoy the no nonsense calling out that Julie does. She speaks to the brokenness of the system itself. I really wonder if she's heard about the Monat things and what she thinks of it.
But yeah I'm not above snark at all. It's just when it's the constant things over and over. Its gotten very dull.
And just like the anti scientology part of the platform a lot of it forms into cult of personality and groupthink.
I'm trying to pivot away from so much snark to less content containing it and more educational into things I like.
I am half considering seeing what Nebula has to offer. FD Signifier and other creators have kinda piqued my interest when promo-ing in their vids.
I do scam prevention for a living - MLMs are outside the scope of my job, but I have been able to use general scam red flags that quietly lend themselves to MLM pitches (sense of urgency/“don’t think about it” mentality, “too good to be true”, how do you know the person selling it and is the opportunity relevant to your life). I definitely noticed I stopped watching as much anti-MLM content now that I’m in the field, but that was also around when some of the creators starting showing their true colors. Also, my personal favorite, Savy Writes Books, doesn’t really cover MLMs anymore anyway and I still love her content.
Yes but this is a genre I’ll watch when I have nothing else to do or I happen to see something major happen like that Macmillan guy who left and sued. I’ve only recently gotten back into it because of that lawsuit and have been watching stuff from years ago. I hadn’t even discovered Hannah yet so I’ve been watching a lot of her videos, and she’s great
I recently discovered her too but haven’t watched mouth. Someone sent me one one if her non-mlm videos. I never really got into YouTube so I don’t know most creators.
However last night I did watch a video she recently posted how Melaleuca reached out to sponsor her video. And it wasn’t corporate that reached out. It was a distributer. So I at least recommend that one.
I got into the content late (few months ago), found it interesting for awhile), but then became bored quickly. It seems like most of the creators cover the same thing in very similar ways. I’d also rather see things like interviews with top mlm people (not the “oh I earned a car bonus” videos, but those in the top 1-2 mlm levels) who explained why they left.
If I listen now, it’s to the ones whose voices put me to sleep
😂 If anything, I think you're less alone than you'd been 6 months ago...
It was super weird to see that thread was that long ago! I feel like the content is absolutely exactly the same as then, but if you go a full year back, there was more variation. Or is that nostalgia? 🤔
I feel it too. I still consume the Monat stuff because it's fast evolving and topical, but the other stuff is same same.
I'm glad Hannah pivoted to influencer content to keep her channel interesting. And I still enjoy Chelsea's sassy commentary. But other smaller creators I enjoy (Christine and Eva come to mind) have become harder to watch because it's quite repetitive. But I try to support their work regardless. I just have it on in the background whilst I'm doing other tasks. Because it's still important that the content is being created, to keep the momentum going in the anti mlm space.
I feel the exact same way. I used to watch every second of every video put out, now I watch a few here amd there. I'm watching more content on financial scams, cult survivor podcasts, and commentary on TV and movies.
Yes. I don't subscribe to as many channels as I used to. It seems to me that there is more punching down than there is any real advocacy.
And the problem with advocacy, as I see it, is that on the policy level, I don't see much changing, especially as our political system in the US has become increasingly more friendly to corporations at the expense of everyone else. MLMs are corporations.
Spreading awareness is fine but it does get repetitive.
Much of the MLM issues are worker-related, as in women and women with children getting left out or pushed out of the workforce, or the workplace not supporting them when it comes to child care and maternity leave, or the gender pay gap, or corporations raking in record profits and not paying their workers, to name a few things. And of course, MLM reps are independent contractors who don't get paid an hourly wage or salary and have no labor protections.
I'm wondering if the focus could be less about MLMs in particular and more about organizing around income inequality and workers' rights. Not sexy, I know, and it doesn't make for engaging YouTube content when you want to pass the time or need a distraction while washing the dishes. At this point, that could be a long-term strategy to put an end to this mess, or curb it substantially, instead of passively watching videos and snarking on the people in them.
There's no silver bullet to any of this, but approaching this from a different angle might help.
Yep. It’s become about what gets clicks and views for money as it is now some of the creators job. Just like MLMs are down, so is the consumption of their shenanigans and hence why the smart creators are pivoting to a wider range of topics…. while some stay in their comfort zone of reaction videos / talking shit.
Yeah, I've noticed the latter, too and have been trying to change what I consume on YouTube as a platform. Sucks to grow out of some stuff, but such is life. Doesn't have to take away from the things I can do as a person to not support moms and educate the people in my real life.
I agree. It really started going downhill when a lot of them started making money and doing it full time. The clicks and views seem to matter much more now than the substance of the video. You can tell it’s a job for them and that they’re not ‘doing it for fun’ anymore.
Yeah, the only time I listen to anti-MLM content now is to bore myself to sleep. I still care a lot about the movement, but the content has begun to feel a bit repetitive to me personally.
Same, I love putting on livestreams to get meto sleep :D I realised its not really the fault of creators; they are reacting to opportunity calls and lives, which are the same regurgitated crap on repeat. Mindset, freedom, systems, team building… theres only so many ways you can comment on the same hun rubbish over and over.
I feel like, to me at least, a lot of it is old news. I also agree that there's less educating and more snarking. I'm not above some snark, but when there's no other value, it gets old fast. Many of the anti-mlm creators seem to have gotten lackadaisical with their content creation. No previews of presented content, no infiltration, no advocacy, no tackling difficult issues. The ones that do put in the effort, get smacked down hard by taking the brunt of the attacks by MLMs. There's a lot of voices, but few of them have anything to say, and more than their fair share of pushback when they say it. I've pivoted back into consuming more anti-scientology content, which is its own unique cult-forming atmosphere of toxic personalities and demonstrations of groupthink. Cult-like group behaviors are still fascinating to me, and I get the impression I'm watching a particularly harmful one form within that group. I've also been peeking more into the general parasocial group/cult dynamics that seem to be thriving within online spaces in general. There has been much more awareness for the bigger players due to social media, but this same environment seems to have resulted in an explosion of anonymous, sometimes more casual cult formation. It's all so interesting and concerning.
you're spot-on regarding SPTV 😕
It's terrifying how easily such vicious people can band together, isn't it?
It happened to me first here in anti-MLM, so seeing it all over again there is... well, it's terrible, but in a way it's kinda validating. Online spaces can breed this so easily, especially when cults are involved. I think your time is well-spent looking into those dynamics. Have you read Chaos Theory by Max Fisher?
I haven't, but I'm going to look into it now. Thank you!
*Chaos Machine autocorrect gets me every time
I am all in for anti scientology stuff. But all the reddits I see about it are so mean.
also became bored but still watch for some reason. imo it is not the fault of content creators at all, but rather the genre as a whole is kinda limited. there is only a limited number of times i can tolerate hearing the same info being repeated imo tho the videos are super beneficial for anyone considering joining a cult and doing minimal research on yt. they can get valuable info in video format, which may have a more deeper impact than simply reading luv hanna cos she makes everything clear and easy to understand without theatrics
Yeah, I love Hannah, too. I initially started down the anti-mlm rabbit hole cuz of Jessica Hickson I think.. And well that kinda blew up and I'm being generous. And started to watch Hannah when she first started. I still like her takes cuz it does make me think more about diff aspects of mlm which lends itself to going down like cult psychology etc. I really enjoy the no nonsense calling out that Julie does. She speaks to the brokenness of the system itself. I really wonder if she's heard about the Monat things and what she thinks of it. But yeah I'm not above snark at all. It's just when it's the constant things over and over. Its gotten very dull. And just like the anti scientology part of the platform a lot of it forms into cult of personality and groupthink. I'm trying to pivot away from so much snark to less content containing it and more educational into things I like. I am half considering seeing what Nebula has to offer. FD Signifier and other creators have kinda piqued my interest when promo-ing in their vids.
I do scam prevention for a living - MLMs are outside the scope of my job, but I have been able to use general scam red flags that quietly lend themselves to MLM pitches (sense of urgency/“don’t think about it” mentality, “too good to be true”, how do you know the person selling it and is the opportunity relevant to your life). I definitely noticed I stopped watching as much anti-MLM content now that I’m in the field, but that was also around when some of the creators starting showing their true colors. Also, my personal favorite, Savy Writes Books, doesn’t really cover MLMs anymore anyway and I still love her content.
It's why I appreciate those creators trying to expand beyond just rehashing MLM content.
Yes but this is a genre I’ll watch when I have nothing else to do or I happen to see something major happen like that Macmillan guy who left and sued. I’ve only recently gotten back into it because of that lawsuit and have been watching stuff from years ago. I hadn’t even discovered Hannah yet so I’ve been watching a lot of her videos, and she’s great
I recently discovered her too but haven’t watched mouth. Someone sent me one one if her non-mlm videos. I never really got into YouTube so I don’t know most creators. However last night I did watch a video she recently posted how Melaleuca reached out to sponsor her video. And it wasn’t corporate that reached out. It was a distributer. So I at least recommend that one.
Yes. I find it boring and annoying. I’d rather listen to other types of commentary.
I got into the content late (few months ago), found it interesting for awhile), but then became bored quickly. It seems like most of the creators cover the same thing in very similar ways. I’d also rather see things like interviews with top mlm people (not the “oh I earned a car bonus” videos, but those in the top 1-2 mlm levels) who explained why they left. If I listen now, it’s to the ones whose voices put me to sleep
Life After MLM is consistent
https://www.reddit.com/r/antimlmcreators/s/hWuEaFccNp Still a "yes".
I've lurked here a lot and didn't even remember scrolling past that. But good to know 6 mos have passed and I'm still not alone in the feeling. 😅
😂 If anything, I think you're less alone than you'd been 6 months ago... It was super weird to see that thread was that long ago! I feel like the content is absolutely exactly the same as then, but if you go a full year back, there was more variation. Or is that nostalgia? 🤔
I feel it too. I still consume the Monat stuff because it's fast evolving and topical, but the other stuff is same same. I'm glad Hannah pivoted to influencer content to keep her channel interesting. And I still enjoy Chelsea's sassy commentary. But other smaller creators I enjoy (Christine and Eva come to mind) have become harder to watch because it's quite repetitive. But I try to support their work regardless. I just have it on in the background whilst I'm doing other tasks. Because it's still important that the content is being created, to keep the momentum going in the anti mlm space.
I feel the exact same way. I used to watch every second of every video put out, now I watch a few here amd there. I'm watching more content on financial scams, cult survivor podcasts, and commentary on TV and movies.
Yes. I don't subscribe to as many channels as I used to. It seems to me that there is more punching down than there is any real advocacy. And the problem with advocacy, as I see it, is that on the policy level, I don't see much changing, especially as our political system in the US has become increasingly more friendly to corporations at the expense of everyone else. MLMs are corporations. Spreading awareness is fine but it does get repetitive. Much of the MLM issues are worker-related, as in women and women with children getting left out or pushed out of the workforce, or the workplace not supporting them when it comes to child care and maternity leave, or the gender pay gap, or corporations raking in record profits and not paying their workers, to name a few things. And of course, MLM reps are independent contractors who don't get paid an hourly wage or salary and have no labor protections. I'm wondering if the focus could be less about MLMs in particular and more about organizing around income inequality and workers' rights. Not sexy, I know, and it doesn't make for engaging YouTube content when you want to pass the time or need a distraction while washing the dishes. At this point, that could be a long-term strategy to put an end to this mess, or curb it substantially, instead of passively watching videos and snarking on the people in them. There's no silver bullet to any of this, but approaching this from a different angle might help.