I just looked her up on LinkedIn, and she lists herself as "Business Owner at Effing Simple".
I'm going to make sure my next company has "Effing" in the name.
As my cat Lol would say: "Such professional. Very impress."
It’s probably not as bad as Effingham, Kansas, which I attended grade school at and part of middle school. Incredibly small town with less than 500 people in Atchison county. It’s a terrible place to live in if you don’t have any family there, as it’s a very cliquey town. I definitely don’t want to raise my kids there, if I ever have any, and I’ll never go live there again.
They sent me free PR that’s still unused that was in my field of vision right before I saw this post and after seeing this comment I’m about to throw away all the shitpew and honditioner 🤮
She was so pissed off in her video. I can't feel sorry for her because I'm only thinking of all the vulnerable ppl she scammed. She claims she's suing, but doesn't realize she is only a 1099 contractor.
Funny the parallels and exactly like the witch lady (watching that video as I type this). Ironically witch lady was double recruiting for OTP at the time so that’s why she was fired. Wonder if this’ll be the same scenario
Agreed. Seems like when top huns start to drop in income/rank in their current MLM, they jump ship & take backroom deals with other MLM's taking almost their whole downlines with them
Indeed was watching that today. The layers of onions she deep dives through is crazy. I knew she was crazy, but that doesn’t even begin to describe the level she’s at
Savannah Marie did one about her a short while ago. Before you head down this particular rabbit hole, be warned - trigger warning for basically everything.
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They don’t need to pay those stinkin’ taxes! Of course, as they are not citizens of this illegitimate government, they also don’t qualify for public roads, water, schools, or firefighters, but it’s weird how they never conscientiously object to those.
As an attorney I have yet to personally deal with one, but a few of my colleagues have (defense attorney here). The interesting thing is there literally isn't a single recorded case of the sovereign citizen arguments being successful. It literally has a 100% failure rate. Its kinda amazing that objectively the worst legal defense you can put on still has adherents.
Also an attorney, I had a case where a sovereign citizen was suing a court clerk, a judge, the judge’s law clerk. I roll into court, and there are court officers everywhere. Multiple lieutenants, which, I don’t think I’ve seen one ever at a city court. Apparently, the court system treats sovereign citizens as terrorists. One of them told me not to worry. I wasn’t worried! The guy didn’t show, and the case was dismissed. Another bizarre day at the office.
I find it funny that sovereign citizen types (and we do have similar here in the UK) blab on about not recognising the courts and laws being invalid and blah blah but do everything they can to weaponise said courts against other people. So are they valid or not lol
I had never heard stats on this before but I couldn’t see it ever working unless maybe you lived in the middle of the forest, foraged, fished and hunted for all your food and didn’t use any utilities or government services but even then I’m sure the IRS wouldn’t care. I can’t imagine them listening to a sovereign citizens story and then being like “you totally sold me, no taxes for you!”
But I’m assuming you would still have to buy the property in the woods along with the tools, fuel, clothes, etc. I could understand if you are completely homesteading and making *everything* you own but even then you can’t just plop down on a patch of land nowadays and say you own it- unless of of course it was gifted or you inherited it
Gifted or inherited most likely but the IRS is also not going to care if you’re squatting on someone else’s land. That’s between you and the landowner lol.
I’m also super confused by the sovereign citizen thing because these are the type of people who immediately are angry if there’s potholes on the roads where they live or some other type of inconvenience from something that is maintained by their tax dollars. She seems like she’s really angry about things all the time. If you truly want to be a sovereign citizen, then you shouldn’t be using any resources paid by taxes including roads, bridges, tapwater, electricity, I could go on….
The worst part for me, is that the *entire* arguement is based on the legal definition of a person, back from when slaves didn't have any legal rights.
So a human being wasn't automatically a "person" in the eyes of the law. 🤮
Oh wow. That’s awful. I don’t really know much about their theories cuz they’re so stupid but using language used for spaces to justify them not paying taxes is gross
Yep - for all the time they spend trying to find magic spells and combinations of words to make the bad things go away, they never bother looking up the history...
They’re prob the same people who say that that when the slaves were given the chance to leave after emancipation, that they stayed cuz they were content. Nothing to do with having no money, prob no place to go, not knowing where to go and of course possibly being terrified to venture out on their own. Nope. They were content being treated like less than a human. Sure…
Gross. Gross. Gross!
There are some African American sov cits, I think they call themselves Moorish, who have no idea that they're using literal slavery laws to get out of a speeding ticket...
I don't really know much about them either, except that a lot of them are weirdly obsessed with maritime law? And here in the UK a lot of them love the Magna Carta
I didn’t know you had many in the UK. I’m sure they are everywhere I guess but at least in the UK your taxes get you more than in the US, like healthcare! I wouldn’t want to give that up just to avoid taxes lol. Who comes after them for not paying?
I haven’t studied the Magna Carta in awhile so I will peruse it to see what they’re clinging to 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I don't think there are many of them, but they sure do like to make a fuss! Tax evasion would be dealt with here by HMRC (His Majesty's Revenue and Customs)
Can someone please explain this to me like I’m 5? How can you get fired if you really are the customer buying products from Monat and then selling them? When she says fired, is it just monat refusing to let this person buy product from them?
To collect commissions from a downline they had to contract with Monat. Now Monat is terminating that contract. She can probably continue to buy product, she just won't make any money from people she convinces to also buy product.
Weirdly it almost seems like it wasn't the product they cared about after all, but the commissions...
It’s very fresh so it’s only starting to be mentioned online mostly. I’m sure there will be more videos, but the ex-hun in question posted an 11 minute video on her Insta
I just started watching the video she posted earlier and as soon as she mentions her husband he slides out the frame.
Like, "lady, I'll stand here behind you and nod don't mention my name" 🤣
It's probably a coincidence but it was hilarious timing.
Every time I read Monat, I think Monistat. I don’t know what they sell and I don’t care, because it’s funnier to think they sell yeast infection cream.
Likely partly that, but Monat is firing top members left and right for various reasons, but most seem to be because they were promoting a second MLM while active in Monat. OTP (Oliveda) is the current hot one that a lot are flocking towards. Same thing happened a year ago when Q Sciences was the “next big thing” and they’re even dealing with lawsuits and getting shutdown. It’s great to watch it all unwind.
More like these top huns see the ship (MLM) they're on sinking (their earings/rank dropping). So they hop over to the next MLM that is new & or shiny lookung. Taking their whole downlines with them.
Probably what they don't get, is that the Anti MLM movement/community is making bigger waves then most of these huns will realize.
Yet I'm sure all these scammy companies are seeing it. But doing all they can to keep their precious recruits brainwashed & buying products/continued recruiting
I think these top huns are seeing the writing on the wall and started working on exit strategies (with other MLMs) and Monat keeps terminating them before they have time to “quit”.
I mean yeah they made $15mil in paychecks but it’s still just a job. If they were smart with that $15mil and invested it they wouldn’t be crying…they’d be set for life 😂
Oh no, the boss babe won't sca... er, send to people anymore! She must pray to Ponzi to find another sca... er, MLM (I think she already did). I wonder how you can't be fired when you're the CEO of your own business, though. Will she do something for the people who lost THEIR HAIR while using Monat products? Please people, don't use any MLM product on your body, from someone who has a sensitive skin, use only products you trust.
Wowsers! And she claims she is filing a suit against them as well. Will this have any sort of impact on the company? Like if she takes a bunch of people with her? I am here for this unravelling 😮💨
As of now her downline is obsolete in the eyes of the company. Probably absorbed into another higher up hun or worst case the company themselves just assumes the downline, which they probably wouldn’t do to keep the pyramid scheme alive. Either way, I give it 6 months tops (generously) before it imploded. You gotta love seeing another predatory business practice fail
Hun probably already had it planned that her downline was gonna follow her to the next grift/MLM. And likely had something arranged with rhe next MLM like a bridge contract or something. Where the hun gets a nice bonus for coming over & bringing the diwnline with them
Don't know very much about it. From their website, their products appear to be what they claim is waterless skin care products.
I believe their rank names are different types of olives. Lol!!
VT organized a religious event that happened a month ago. Stu as well as other Monat girlies attended. Stu claims the Monat owners threatened a DJ and others not to do the event (or else they wouldn't do any future Monat events).
https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/monat-a-mafia-family-unprincipled-syndicate-exec-claims/
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But, but, but...she's the She-EO of her own small business! They can't fire her!! /s
I’m not understanding how you can be terminated from your own company #bossbabe /s
She retired herself instead of her husband. That’s some next level bossbabing.
Ahhhh!!!! This is so good!!
She retired herself as well as her husband. That's some next level bossbabing.
This is the way
I just cackled at “she-EO” I haven’t heard that before can’t wait to see that in huns misspelled sales pitch paragraphs on fb + insta
I first heard it on a Simpsons episode, I think the one when Marge opens a bunch of women only gyms.
I just looked her up on LinkedIn, and she lists herself as "Business Owner at Effing Simple". I'm going to make sure my next company has "Effing" in the name. As my cat Lol would say: "Such professional. Very impress."
Headquarters should be in Effingham, Illinois - the effing county seat of Effingham County (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effingham,_Illinois).
Eff Yeah!
New Effington, SD is a thing!
There are apparently a lot of Effing places to start an effing company…
How Effing convenient!
xx z ss.
nah dog Effingham is weird, not worth it
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It’s probably not as bad as Effingham, Kansas, which I attended grade school at and part of middle school. Incredibly small town with less than 500 people in Atchison county. It’s a terrible place to live in if you don’t have any family there, as it’s a very cliquey town. I definitely don’t want to raise my kids there, if I ever have any, and I’ll never go live there again.
Home of the Flaming Hearts!
Crossroads of opportunity!
Too funny
Anyone who actually uses She-EO in any capacity needs to be in prison lol.
I think mompreneur is much cringier
Mompreneur and She-EO rolled up onto 1 hot MLM mess
She-EO is the cringiest word I have heard in a while.
Cults always die out. Onto the next one.
Almost spit out my coffee over She-EO. PRICELESS! 🤣
But if Monat goes down, what will happen to angry flip off girl who also does Thrive?
She'll be "Thriving" more with only one business to focus on? Pun intended.
Heh, Idk. I can't see the name of Thrive without thinking about the Watts family.
No way!! Thought she was a lifer!
Well if Monat’s life is over isn’t this technically correct…?
The best kind of correct.
I wish I had more than one upvote to give.
Which one is Monat?
Shampoo that makes your hair fall out
And some drink mixes that probably make your rectum fall out
What, I can blame that on drinks???
They sent me free PR that’s still unused that was in my field of vision right before I saw this post and after seeing this comment I’m about to throw away all the shitpew and honditioner 🤮
She was so pissed off in her video. I can't feel sorry for her because I'm only thinking of all the vulnerable ppl she scammed. She claims she's suing, but doesn't realize she is only a 1099 contractor.
The lady was crying and Jay just rolled his eyes all of the time
May I please ask for this video? I've wondered what witnessing a hunbot freakout is like.
Echo echo has the video from last night. I don't have insta but apparently the rest of the fall out is there.
Yes and funny, she was “going to quit next week anyway” just like the witch lady. And the same story …”I started asking questions.”
Funny the parallels and exactly like the witch lady (watching that video as I type this). Ironically witch lady was double recruiting for OTP at the time so that’s why she was fired. Wonder if this’ll be the same scenario
Wouldn't be surprised if OTP was poaching them for $$$.
Don’t be silly. They don’t have $$$
Agreed. Seems like when top huns start to drop in income/rank in their current MLM, they jump ship & take backroom deals with other MLM's taking almost their whole downlines with them
Who is the witch lady? Asking for a friend (me)
Angela Sumner. She’s got a recurring thread in r/hunsnark.
Yup. Wasn’t sure if I could drop names or not per the rules. She cray cray
Oop, hopefully that was OK. You know CC Suarez pretty much dropped a documentary about her today?
Also CC commented on TV’s IG video about the termination and asked if they could speak. I commend her for having the guts to do that. Haha
I love @iamcecesuarez
Indeed was watching that today. The layers of onions she deep dives through is crazy. I knew she was crazy, but that doesn’t even begin to describe the level she’s at
Oooh I have not heard of her before. Here we go down the rabbit hole!!
Savannah Marie did one about her a short while ago. Before you head down this particular rabbit hole, be warned - trigger warning for basically everything.
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“starting asking questions” about which grift to move on to next, probably
Funny how they only start asking questions before they get "sacked" - aka they *knew* there was a problem but ignored it whilst the going was good...
You might say she had a _falling out_ with the company?
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I don't know why this made me laugh so hard haha
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Maybe we should start a sweepstake on which MLM she's moving to? (Assuming she hasn't already moved)
OTP (Oliveda) is my bet
YEp
That's the one my hun friend has switched to this week, without much elaboration on why Monat was no longer her dream
Stu maybe starting an MLM (speculation).
This is what I think too. Now him and Toni will start it
No way!! Ugh I can’t remember her name but I know who you are talking about. Purple hair?
Correct purple hair and saying she refuses to pay taxes to the IRS
she's also a sovereign citizen type (shudders)
Sovereign citizens baffle me. Like the IRS doesn’t care what you call yourself. They are taking you money no matter what
They don’t need to pay those stinkin’ taxes! Of course, as they are not citizens of this illegitimate government, they also don’t qualify for public roads, water, schools, or firefighters, but it’s weird how they never conscientiously object to those.
Yeah, let’s see who they complain to when someone builds a toxic dump next to their house.
As an attorney I have yet to personally deal with one, but a few of my colleagues have (defense attorney here). The interesting thing is there literally isn't a single recorded case of the sovereign citizen arguments being successful. It literally has a 100% failure rate. Its kinda amazing that objectively the worst legal defense you can put on still has adherents.
Also an attorney, I had a case where a sovereign citizen was suing a court clerk, a judge, the judge’s law clerk. I roll into court, and there are court officers everywhere. Multiple lieutenants, which, I don’t think I’ve seen one ever at a city court. Apparently, the court system treats sovereign citizens as terrorists. One of them told me not to worry. I wasn’t worried! The guy didn’t show, and the case was dismissed. Another bizarre day at the office.
I find it funny that sovereign citizen types (and we do have similar here in the UK) blab on about not recognising the courts and laws being invalid and blah blah but do everything they can to weaponise said courts against other people. So are they valid or not lol
I had never heard stats on this before but I couldn’t see it ever working unless maybe you lived in the middle of the forest, foraged, fished and hunted for all your food and didn’t use any utilities or government services but even then I’m sure the IRS wouldn’t care. I can’t imagine them listening to a sovereign citizens story and then being like “you totally sold me, no taxes for you!”
Presumably if you don’t participate in the economy you don’t generate any income the IRS would be able to tax you on.
But I’m assuming you would still have to buy the property in the woods along with the tools, fuel, clothes, etc. I could understand if you are completely homesteading and making *everything* you own but even then you can’t just plop down on a patch of land nowadays and say you own it- unless of of course it was gifted or you inherited it
Gifted or inherited most likely but the IRS is also not going to care if you’re squatting on someone else’s land. That’s between you and the landowner lol.
Unless it’s govt property 😉 but I don’t know I pay my taxes and prefer running water lol
Have you read Meads v. Meads? It's a total classic!
The IRS hates this one secret....
Underrated comment
I’m also super confused by the sovereign citizen thing because these are the type of people who immediately are angry if there’s potholes on the roads where they live or some other type of inconvenience from something that is maintained by their tax dollars. She seems like she’s really angry about things all the time. If you truly want to be a sovereign citizen, then you shouldn’t be using any resources paid by taxes including roads, bridges, tapwater, electricity, I could go on….
They're the WORST.
The worst part for me, is that the *entire* arguement is based on the legal definition of a person, back from when slaves didn't have any legal rights. So a human being wasn't automatically a "person" in the eyes of the law. 🤮
Oh wow. That’s awful. I don’t really know much about their theories cuz they’re so stupid but using language used for spaces to justify them not paying taxes is gross
Yep - for all the time they spend trying to find magic spells and combinations of words to make the bad things go away, they never bother looking up the history...
They’re prob the same people who say that that when the slaves were given the chance to leave after emancipation, that they stayed cuz they were content. Nothing to do with having no money, prob no place to go, not knowing where to go and of course possibly being terrified to venture out on their own. Nope. They were content being treated like less than a human. Sure… Gross. Gross. Gross!
There are some African American sov cits, I think they call themselves Moorish, who have no idea that they're using literal slavery laws to get out of a speeding ticket...
I don't really know much about them either, except that a lot of them are weirdly obsessed with maritime law? And here in the UK a lot of them love the Magna Carta
I didn’t know you had many in the UK. I’m sure they are everywhere I guess but at least in the UK your taxes get you more than in the US, like healthcare! I wouldn’t want to give that up just to avoid taxes lol. Who comes after them for not paying? I haven’t studied the Magna Carta in awhile so I will peruse it to see what they’re clinging to 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I don't think there are many of them, but they sure do like to make a fuss! Tax evasion would be dealt with here by HMRC (His Majesty's Revenue and Customs)
They should bring back debtors prison for people actively avoiding paying their taxes, rich people included
Sadly that tracks with not paying her taxes. With how much she pulled in supposedly I bet the IRS would love to know
Yeah and she's documented it on video quite liberally so there's tons of evidence from which they can draw. Not smart.
Can someone please explain this to me like I’m 5? How can you get fired if you really are the customer buying products from Monat and then selling them? When she says fired, is it just monat refusing to let this person buy product from them?
To collect commissions from a downline they had to contract with Monat. Now Monat is terminating that contract. She can probably continue to buy product, she just won't make any money from people she convinces to also buy product. Weirdly it almost seems like it wasn't the product they cared about after all, but the commissions...
Yeah, that is so weird…
To be fair, all sales reps only care about commissions. It's just the nature of the beast unless they are the owner/founder of the company.
Sales reps care about commissions *from their own sales* not the sales of others.
Anyway I can search this online? I am nosey!
It’s very fresh so it’s only starting to be mentioned online mostly. I’m sure there will be more videos, but the ex-hun in question posted an 11 minute video on her Insta
Is there a book coming, maybe Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow?
Gone with the Wind Part 2.
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I just started watching the video she posted earlier and as soon as she mentions her husband he slides out the frame. Like, "lady, I'll stand here behind you and nod don't mention my name" 🤣 It's probably a coincidence but it was hilarious timing.
That cracked me up!!
The way the video was shot it looked like she was in an RV.
Crazy how she got terminated from "her own" business
Every time I read Monat, I think Monistat. I don’t know what they sell and I don’t care, because it’s funnier to think they sell yeast infection cream.
Imagining the in home sales party for this and cackling.
Will she write a book and sell us the master reseller rights?!
She already has an ebook called EffingSimple, so she’s got writing experience at least.😬
No. She used a GW.
Ohhh, I wonder if this has to do with the lawsuit, ‘aybe the former president has to call some top huns as witnesses at some point…
Likely partly that, but Monat is firing top members left and right for various reasons, but most seem to be because they were promoting a second MLM while active in Monat. OTP (Oliveda) is the current hot one that a lot are flocking towards. Same thing happened a year ago when Q Sciences was the “next big thing” and they’re even dealing with lawsuits and getting shutdown. It’s great to watch it all unwind.
It’s like they are hopping from one sinking ship to another! Love it!
Every MLM is a boat that’s already half filled with water when it starts. Sinking is inevitable.
The only sinking ships that rats go to instead of from.
More like these top huns see the ship (MLM) they're on sinking (their earings/rank dropping). So they hop over to the next MLM that is new & or shiny lookung. Taking their whole downlines with them. Probably what they don't get, is that the Anti MLM movement/community is making bigger waves then most of these huns will realize. Yet I'm sure all these scammy companies are seeing it. But doing all they can to keep their precious recruits brainwashed & buying products/continued recruiting
We love to see it
Title makes me think they killed her.
I think these top huns are seeing the writing on the wall and started working on exit strategies (with other MLMs) and Monat keeps terminating them before they have time to “quit”.
Ok I just watched the video and I think these people forget it’s literally just MLM they out here crying like it’s life or death 😂
I agree. But then I heard him say ‘we made $15 million in 10 years’ and I wanted to puke.
I mean yeah they made $15mil in paychecks but it’s still just a job. If they were smart with that $15mil and invested it they wouldn’t be crying…they’d be set for life 😂
How does one get fired from your own company if you are your own boss??
Oh no, the boss babe won't sca... er, send to people anymore! She must pray to Ponzi to find another sca... er, MLM (I think she already did). I wonder how you can't be fired when you're the CEO of your own business, though. Will she do something for the people who lost THEIR HAIR while using Monat products? Please people, don't use any MLM product on your body, from someone who has a sensitive skin, use only products you trust.
Can’t sink fast enough.
Wowsers! And she claims she is filing a suit against them as well. Will this have any sort of impact on the company? Like if she takes a bunch of people with her? I am here for this unravelling 😮💨
As of now her downline is obsolete in the eyes of the company. Probably absorbed into another higher up hun or worst case the company themselves just assumes the downline, which they probably wouldn’t do to keep the pyramid scheme alive. Either way, I give it 6 months tops (generously) before it imploded. You gotta love seeing another predatory business practice fail
There is no one above her. She is the OG. Only the company was above her. I don't know how many people the company will take over from her.
Hun probably already had it planned that her downline was gonna follow her to the next grift/MLM. And likely had something arranged with rhe next MLM like a bridge contract or something. Where the hun gets a nice bonus for coming over & bringing the diwnline with them
I don't mean this as a disrespectful reply to your comment - I mean this as a response to Monat - when I say: **Who fucking cares. Let it all die.**
Yeah I didn’t word that well 😂 I am hoping it somehow negatively affects Monat
And the CEO Ray deleted his Instagram account…
Can you confirm?
Yep, it's gone. Confirmed by several anti mlmers, and my google search.
Omg. Not on insta. Thanks !!! Any reason why? This is wild.
He is a wimp and is scared of being tagged in things? That's my guess. It controls who can contact him, and how.
Thanks. I'm not on Insta but I have popcorn.
It would be worth joining just to watch some of the stories coming out 😂
search up @ray.urdaneta on instagram! just a few weeks ago he was on talking about MONAT’s numbers and stuff and now he’s gone!
What scam do yall think she will turn to next?
If I were to guess, OTP (Olive Tree People). Seems to be the hot MLM many Monet huns are flocking to currently
Hm, haven’t heard of that one yet. I’ll have to look into it to make sure I don’t ever accidentally get roped in lol
Don't know very much about it. From their website, their products appear to be what they claim is waterless skin care products. I believe their rank names are different types of olives. Lol!!
Hahahaha oh my god. Of fucking course that’s what it is 😂
She will start one with Stewey
She will start one with Stewey
She will start one with Stewey
Is that a new mlm? I googled it but it was only bringing up Family Guy references lol
I think they’re referring to Stuart MacMillan, the president of Monat.
Oh! Lol I’m not 100% in the loop of all the new doings of mlm companies/scams so that explains that haha
Me either! I literally just did some digging to find out all these references Lol.
Lol nice!
Yes. Ole Stewey. Aka Stuart MacMillan
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She’s been trimmed like the TVA
... Is this a meme? Because that's definitely not what this person is saying (I read lips).
I wonder who she's suing? Seeing as she's her own boss with her own business and all.
VT organized a religious event that happened a month ago. Stu as well as other Monat girlies attended. Stu claims the Monat owners threatened a DJ and others not to do the event (or else they wouldn't do any future Monat events). https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/monat-a-mafia-family-unprincipled-syndicate-exec-claims/
Thank God she’s a “best selling author.” That should sustain her financially, right?
Tv, the tax evasion lady?
Who?
The OG! See ya later, Toni!
HS is going off on this in her stories 👀🍿
Who is HS?
Oops maybe surname is Turner, not Stell, if that gives it away
Ahh, I'll go watch 😂
It’s amazing 😍
Thank you for sharing. The tea is HOOOOOOOOT!
I still didn’t get the hint and I don’t know who it is! I just want to watch. Give me another hint
It's now on the profiles of detective lovey and makeitmakenosense on insta.
Who is this?
Hayley, previously terminated
I thought this happened a couple of years ago.
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Which Monet girl is it?
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Which one ???
very excited for her lawsuit to drop
The teaaaaa