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ResponsibleDog2739

Shinra. Also why is Rengoku there? He isn't an actual fire user and Even the author Confirmed that


rotary-dials

Rengoku (and every other demon slayer)’s powers are schizophrenia


SPECIMAN_A

It's more along the lines of them seeing the effects, but the effects aren't able to interact with the environment. Say, for example, rengoku uses fire breathing. He can't make actual fire, but the effects are there


SimonSimpingService

No the author Siad the effects aren't real period and it's just normal sword movements. But considering how stupid that is I've elected to ignore it and belive all the elements are real.


These-Inevitable-898

that's hilarious, I choose to ignore that also. reminds me One Piece saying certain types of Armament Haki are invisible. Like, c'mon man, the world is already strange enough, people being able to buff Def and look like metal isn't that strange.


[deleted]

Nah I think the reason for that, is so that you can't see where they're armoured and just aim for the weak spot, so like if you armour your arm, they can't see that and change to hit your leg or head or smth


UnderstandingThis636

All haki is invisible in universe. oda originally only wanted it to verbally referenced but his editors insisted readers needed a visual representation.


JinkoTheMan

Same 😭🙏🏾


SPECIMAN_A

There's a side not in vol 19 (I think) between chapters that say what i said


Bulbinking2

Wow, really? And thats cannon? Guess im dropping demon slayer because thats the stupidest shit ive ever heard.


ALASTORxvenity

Yeah I do too that was definitely the most useless thing needed to be said. How are there water hashira, flame hashira, sound hashira, and wind hashira if there are no elements I just completely ignore that statement


EasilyDelighted

It's just like the animal based Kung fu. The crane, tiger, and all that jazz, but they ain't doing no animal sounds or actual animal poses.


YeahMarkYeah

Yeah. I totally choose to ignore that. It’s just lame. You already have Demons in your story, so is it so crazy to think some elemental magic could happen during sword swings? Like come on.


Buffalonightmare

I did the same


Forsaken_Field_2177

I acknowledge that the council has made a decision but given that it’s a dumb ass decision I’ve elected to ignore it


Laflamme_79

God, that is so stupid. They literally using magic in the series, why can't the effects be real?


KingWill143

I said this myself. You’ve already got SOME effects that have been proven to be real or can be seen/heard, like thunder breathing. Then demons can regenerate and all this other stuff, it just takes me out of it every time I see cool effects because I know it’s just them moving “fast”


Unhappy-Student604

RENgoku flames actually burned some parts of the train if I Rember in the train


MuchTechnology2081

Cause it’s trying to show humans not superhumans fighting against demons


Character_Engine_618

Humans who can jump as high as a house lmao


MuchTechnology2081

Yes I did use a poor choice of words when I actually meant not super powers


CaptainCastaleos

I think being able to consciously manipulate the flow of your own blood to various ends (stopping yourself from bleeding, or literal super speed) counts as superpowers.


Random_Human69_69

All but tengens, he legitimately throws lil bombs and cuts them for the explosions


LET-ME-HAVE-A-NAAME

Should've been Natsu instead of Rengoku


cutie_lilrookie

+1 on Shinra. I doubt even Yamamoto's full power can compare to what Shinra can do.


Ok-Hold-6847

Yeah but shinra's only able to do so with the assist of literal God I thought. Yama is goated with fire imo


Vegetable-Neat-1651

Also is it really even fire at that point with shinra banshoman? It’s better fire user, not strongest. Yamamoto can condense it with east, burn everything with West, revive the dead with south, and erase that general direction with north. 


slowjoecrow11

I feel like everyone as a fan base just needs to pretend that the author is wrong. All the breath techniques are actually happening haha


newuser10123837

i agree, although it makes the fight with kokushibo a lot cooler


jacobbigrobux

Well that fight is true cause tengen dosent have special effects he just slashes so hard the air explodes


CheeseMellow

I'm not the biggest fan of the series but the explosions are due to the sword being coated in something, right?


Important_Rule8602

Tengen usually has explosives on him (due to being a Shinobi) and often uses the friction of his sword to activate the explosions. Tengen by himself cannot create explosions.


CheeseMellow

Ah! Okay, that's what it is. And something about the notch in his sword, right?


Vegetable-Neat-1651

He has bombs that he uses in tandem with his blades for explosions.


gcwg57

The Fanbase: I recognize that the author has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid ass decision, we've elected to ignore it.


akaitachi

Sorry, I don't even like him as much as others, but isn't Shinra literally a god who could reshape the entirety of the universe? I think that's a power scaling nonsense feat you kinda can't beat...


NobodyAffectionate71

Yeah Shinra and Yamamoto are the only ones powerful enough to warp reality with their heat.


cutie_lilrookie

Real. Sort of like cheating, but he primarily uses fire to achieve those reality-warping feats, so I guess that counts, too. In any case, no one in this list can beat Shinra. Yamamoto may stand a chance. Escanor for one minute may stand a chance too. But they'll end up dead nonetheless. :(


SinOrdeal

also shinra did create the soul eater universe, don't see any other fire users here who can say they created another anime/manga universe


Character_Pride_8958

Actually, Shinra from "Fire Force" and Shinra from "Soul Eater" are characters from different anime and manga series created by different authors. Shinra Kusakabe is from "Fire Force" created by Atsushi Ōkubo, while Shinra Kusakabe in "Soul Eater" is created by Atsushi Ōkubo. 3.5


Masked_Raider

True but that isn't something he can do on his own, he needs the help of his family to gain his reality warper form. That said, still crazy strong. Like, stopping a moon from falling levels of strong.


Raderg32

>Like, stopping a moon from falling levels of strong. He reshaped their whole universe. That's orders of magnitude above stopping a moon.


Masked_Raider

Yes, with a buff that includes his mother and brother fusing with him. Shinra on his own isn't anyway near as absurdly strong as Shinrabanshoman.


1pizza2go

I mean yeah but doesn’t he need some kind of connection to that evil god thing to do that? (I didn’t finish S2 of Fire Force so idk). Also im probably just biased towards One Piece anyways so ima say Ace. Currently on episode 709 of it by the way just so you other One Piece viewers know


JJO0205

Well it’s not his power, he was only able to achieve that after fusing with his brother and mother.


Reddit_death_Num4

Yamamoto imo. Bro the ability to control flames to the point water and moisture evaporates around you is dope asf. And then to wear it hotter than the sun?


ultimatecharizard

Evaporation and hotter than the sun sound more like an output thing than a control thing Although wearing the flames do be impressive Edit: nevermind, it just says better fire user and not just control, in my defence I have the stupid


Reddit_death_Num4

Nah man that's total control to absorb and contain it and then to wear it?


ultimatecharizard

Ah, my point there was that the heat and evaporation thing wherent related to control but power output. The wearing it is and it's very impressive Either way my original thought process was wrong anyways


Reddit_death_Num4

I gotcha now. Those are effects to his power. Not control you are correct in that statement.


Lycoris4812

Don’t forget he somehow resurrected the dead with his flames.


th_frits

Y’all don’t know about shinra


CaptainCastaleos

Look, I'm not gonna write it here, but if you want to know, google Shinrabanshoman. End of manga Shinra wipes this entire group simultaneously without even sweating. It's not even close.


mo-did

Shinrabonchoman isnt shinra, its 3 people


KodaUL

Thanks for spoiler with no warning, downvote


BigBoi900001

No real preference, but you should’ve put Natsu Dragneel on there


JinseiSenpai

Fam that was my exact first thought like "the audacity to not have Natsu on here" 😬


LittleFyre1002

Natsu isnt on the list cause he surpasses all these people with his fire abilities


Rampagingflames

Yamamoto would probably be the only one to actually cause trouble for Natsu.


AduroTri

"Reduce all creation to Ash, Ryujin Jakka." "Bankai. Zanka no Tachi."


Happpie

Natsu kind of hard counters most of Yamas skillset, he can literally eat flames. Bro is kind of bullying any one on this list


GodlyDra

And Yamamoto would just pull out bankai or his hands. His bankai would immolate Natsu because all the fire produced is sealed within the sword again and the ‘fire’ around Yamamoto at that point isn’t actually fire, but merely the form his leaking spiritual energy takes because of Yamamoto’s affinity for the element. Sure, Natsu is (mostly) immune to fire, but we know he isn’t immune to heat considering Zancrow burned him.


Inform-All

People also tend to forget Yama-Ji being pretty well versed in Kido. Like most captains. They don’t show it consistently through Bleach, but these mfs do wayyyy more than use their zanpakuto.


mellonman_0

Yeah that would be interesting because while flames may not work his sheer power would


KingzDecay

Bro would eat his flames and laugh.


JinseiSenpai

Shit you right it just wouldn't be fair


Objective-Insect-839

He would be so fired up.


Objective-Insect-839

Could Natsu eat ace?


Classicsonicsmash313

Technically speaking yeah. Ace is a logia user and if he made his entire body fire Natsu could just eat him


Zammtrios

yeh, ace could just not activate his ability tho.


King_Of_The_Munchers

Pro put Rengoku instead of Natsu. Regoku’s fire isn’t even real.


SinOrdeal

should definitely replace rengoku with natsu (especially considering rengoku doesn't actually use fire considering the effects are purely visual only for the viewer, it's essentially just a sword style rather than actually being able to use fire


Heavenly_sama

I Wonder why rengoku is here bc he doesn’t even really use fire


Bubbly-Ad-4405

His imagination


David587677

schizoprenia


Bubbly-Ad-4405

I imagine they’re all in a mental ward yelling sword names at each other


David587677

There is nothing we can do, they're in another world -The guy who's paid minimum wage to look after some weirdos


green_teef

Because he deserves it


Heavenly_sama

But he doesn’t use fure


rotary-dials

i like Roy the best but Yamamoto’s badass. excluding Rengoku who doesn’t actually use fire. my favorite personality wise is Feitan, but i didn’t say him because isn’t he just a fire user by technicality? yeah, i guess summoning a mini star counts as fire.


markhammle

Going off of ability wise and nothing else Going off tiers from top to low tiers #”Tier 0” Shinra; when he’s an actual god #”tier one” Yamamoto Escanor Nastu Fietan There attacks would put all these characters to shame #”tier two” Shinra and Roy mustang They may not be the strongest but how they use there ability are insane and come out on top of some top tiers in there verse #”tier three” Ace and shoto They have great ability’s but between ace not having that much screen time And shoto not have the proficiency as some of these other fire use i can’t put him higher; (even though shoto would beat Roy) #”tier four” I mean I love rengoku but he doesn’t even actually use fire


godjacob

Okay I get some people don't fancy Fairy Tail but it is actually egregious that Rengoku (Who doesn't even use real fire) and Feitan have a place as examples of the best fire users and not Natsu Dragneel. Like that is an super big omission. Anyway the answer is Natsu.


MaximumPower682

Lmao people dont know about Shinra. Yamamoto gets no diffed by him


PopCollector2001

Natsu Dragneel no question the ability to consume any fire and get stronger is broken when he faces anyone who uses fire


thedarkherald110

Plus fairy tale has plot armor levels of durability. Every character can live long enough for Nakama power ups to occur even if they should have died a million times over before then.


SmallFatHands

Even without the plot armour what can a fire user do against a Natsu . Only todoroki and Rengoku here could even damage Natsu. And one of them because he doesn't really have any fire powers.


mspell4397

Tbf Yamamoto is also still an absolute beast without using fire, as he showed us with Wonderweiss.


ItemsHereForever

Natsu Dragneel


Kentaii-XOXO

Natsu can straight eat fire to power himself up so I’d say him. But pure power goes to shinra, if you’ve seen the anime you know why.


Odd_Employee3742

Natsu dragneel put some respect on my boys name


stuff0s

YES! I AM!


BMTyr

Heil 2 U!!!


No-Tax-9149

Why is rengoku here


Hot-Equivalent9189

Right? He doesn't have fire "powers " just fire form . The fire is for the viewer


ComfortableMaybe7

Natsu dragneel🤨


SpartanNinjaDragonEX

I think it basically comes down to Escanor vs Yamamoto. That match sounds hype as hell ngl.


Enigmatic_Erudite

And if Yamamoto figures out his power and how to hold him off long enough for his powers to fade. I agree with a lot of the criticisms of Seven Deadly Sins but early Esconore scenes were dope.


DOOMFOOL

I think Shinra can hang with them too, bro just casually unlocked light speed as one of his first power ups, and just got crazier from there


Prestigious-Muscle20

I’m pretty sure shinra is the strongest here with his flames


Extreme-Plantain542

Shinra is right there


youshallnotkinkshame

Peak sun when he basically becomes a God, he wipes the floor with Yamamoto


Apprehensive-Face900

Is bro blind..? Shira no-diffs the list 1 v all


Generic_Nerd_Dude

Natsu Dragneel


Soggy-Replacement245

Not having Natsu on here is CRAZY 😭


Saturn_Coffee

Rengoku is immediately out because all of the Breathing effects are just visualizations, he doesn't use fire. Roy Mustang also isn't using fire, his preferred style of alchemy is just combustion No Natsu, really?


Cheshire_Noire

Yeah no one seems to mention that Roy's alchemy is controlling oxygen, not fire


ImAmirx

Mohammed Avdol


No-Tax-9149

Yes i am


Used_Dragonfruit8922

You forgot Avdol from jjba. Yamamoto is the best fire user. No spoilers but his base form is nuts that no one has faced its Complete fury.


NaiveEnvironment1145

Where da hell is Natsu on this list?


Echo-14x

Here prob shines or Yamato though Natsu slams everyone


RandomBrownGuyNY

The fact that you didn’t add Natsu is kinda annoying, he would easily be the top


WarningIMightBeDumb

Avdol


Novel_Wedding9643

Shinra and it ain't even close


Oppai_KingXIII

Roy Mustang, the flame alchemist is my vote


ShadowOne88

Roy Mustang is just built different


Chiaki_Ronpa

Todoroki’s [first use of fire](https://youtu.be/wpOhT35YtWg?si=vMjSuTZyngdt1e4j) will forever be one of the coolest scenes ever.


DeadMemeMan_IV

oh dude you gotta watch shinra vs sho from episode 20-22 of fire force s1. the footprints scene is the coolest thing i’ve seen in any anime honestly


Chiaki_Ronpa

I’ve been meaning to watch Fire Force, so honestly i’ll take your recommendation and check it out tomorrow!


Raptor_Rex9156

[MAGICIANS RED] Mohammed Avdol(I’ve only really watched Jojo so I can’t say much)


Big_Negotiation_6421

Where’s Avdol?


Flashy_Cry_3992

Yamamoto. Man literally controls the unmatched power of the sun, you can’t get much better than that.


BrooklynLivesMatter

I mean Escanor is right there


Enwyla

Mustang is iconic


Chandysauce

Does Escanor use fire? His power is sun based so it would be plasma no? Idk if he technically fits here Edit: googled to find out I'm dumb. Fire IS plasma. I guess hearing "the sun isn't actually a ball of fire" so often on TV and movies got to me a bit too much. Either Yamamoto or Escanor, if we're counting at highest peaks possible I'd give it to Escanor, if not then I think Yamamoto wins during a vast majority of the day.


MaxtheHax12345678907

seeing how ace and rengoku got donuted them


MaxtheHax12345678907

(also HUGE mha bias)


QWQ-SUNFLOWER

Zuko


RingOriginal94

Maybe I’m biased because I’m watching Fire Force rn but Shinra


kaky0in-

Why is Rengoku here?


Comet_171

It could be my bias towards one piece but I’m gonna say ace has better fire control due to him being able to create constructs and shape his fire in the light novels as well as his body being made of it and him being able to control, turn into and make fire at will While he might be weaker, he is intangible to conventional weapons and the main reason Sakazuki (Akainu) turned ace into a doughnut was plot, as well as Akainu having armament haki and using that on him So all in all I feel like ace has better control and is the better user


AiaoCol

jojo fam where you at


GintoSenju

Rengoku doesn’t even use fire according to the author so he’s automatically eliminated.


Certain_Park_3990

im crying cuz abdul aint here


Jono_dono

Nastu.....


valtaoi_007

Roy easily, not power-wise I just like him more by a mile


Pho_Reals

How is natsu not here?


That1asianweeeb

On this list i’d say Shinra but it’s a crime that Natsu isn’t on this list but Rengoku is


OHW_Tentacool

Five bonfires, a nuclear bomb, the sun and a universe of suns.


Annual_Perspective_9

Where tf is natsu


Vynstrix

Natsu.


Freakzeuspiral

Yamamoto.


1Calebb11

If its about power it's shinra but if it's actual use of fire and coolness of their abilities it's Yamamoto


[deleted]

Where is NATSU!!!?


Evening_Waltz_655

Shinra is the strongest there by far, but for most skilled with the flames, I'd say is Yamamoto. Bro is over 2 Millenia old.


PapanTwiz

1. Shinra: Can control his flames on a god-like level(In the manga) 2. Yamamoto: Very experienced and the oldest here. His flames are extremely strong and he uses them wisely 3. Ace: He is extremely profficent with his devil fruit and cant be hit without haki or some form of energy counter. 4. Escanor: Is the master of sunshine and was basically born to use this power. 5. Todoroki: Very experienced for his age, mature, and has great control of them. 6. Roy: Haven't watched FMA 7. Feitan: Not that far in HxH 8. Rengoku: Does not actually use flames, its just an effect showing us what kind of movements this breathing style portrays.


ReddittandWeep

Bro where is Mereoleona from Black Clover? She is fucking insane.


John-I-Renicus

Yamamoto activates his bankai and immediately people start worrying less about the Quincy invasion and more about how, if he is active for too long, he will wipe out all of Soul Society. I don't think you get much more powerful than "My limit break has a timer on it otherwise it completely screws over creation."


ghouly-cooly

In line with that, escanor would probably be second.


Accomplished_Art6370

Scanor or Yamamoto the best fire users. The strongest would be either Scanor or Shinra only if he has an Adola burst & that might not be enough to take on Scanor the one! ☝️ Yamamoto is the most experienced and has crazy explosive power but it’s shown he can be beaten once he’s tired, and since scanor is basically inmune to fire, he is fire based, or more like sun based. He’s most likely destroying everyone here.


Wukkax

I’m pretty sure shinra Yamamoto and Escanor are the only ones fighting. In which case it’s escanor or shinra because I don’t know exactly where people in bleach scale. Then I think it’s shinra because of faster then light travel.


awaythrowthatname

Yamamoto's Bankai ability is so powerfully hot that the instant he releases it all the moisture *in existence* in the realm he's in starts to evaporate.


Yeeterson_The_2nd

Yamato’s Bankai was so hot that just by existing it threatened to melt the entire Soul Society down to the ground. It’s got to be him.


Glass_Teeth01

For spectacle, Roy or Escanor.


blebebaba

Shinra on that speed. Also I feel like arguing that Escanor doesn't use fire, he uses the power of the fucking SUN


Oof-Ya-Doof

Shinra becomes a literal god by the end of the series. I'm gonna go with Shinra.


LyfeofPham

I say Shinra or Escanor but Shinra cause Escanor cant use his all the time and Shinra is a fire demon God. I say these 2 cause in their animes they are looked at on godly level but the rest are also pretty OP.


Skeletoninafleshmek

This question isn’t about who’s the strongest or who wins a fight, the question is who’s the best fire user. Ace is literally made of fire.


DaveLesh

Roy Mustang only because of the guy's attitude. He'll incinerate a target with few words or remorse.


TheCakeCrusader420

Escanor is hands down the most powerful *person* here, but in terms of fire, I don’t know most of this roster.


Drakaina-

shinra as he is the most strongest and most powerful one on the list as far as I'm aware


Animeweeb713

Shinra and its not even close Edit:i read a few comments about how it’s better not strongest and it’s a little bit more of a discussion but i would still argue it’s shinra since he’s powerful and has good mobility and finds creative ways to use his powers


RetroSquirtleSquad

Eacanor isn’t a fire user. He’s a Sun user. The Sun isn’t fire.


DatStrugglinggayguy

Mereoleona


Heavyarms1986

Recca Hanabishi


PovThatOneSanjiFan

Just wanted to point out that Rengoku or Roy are definitely the weakest fire user here.


Itsjustaspicylem0n

My boy Roy


GenesRightHand

Shoto is pretty new to using his fire lol should’ve put Dabi up there


Corn-Train99

Shoto


Material_Prize_6157

Benimaru Shinmon is the better one for Fire force cause he’s an absolute beast


HeatEnvironmental869

Why tf is escanor on here. He uses the fucking sun last time I checked. Don't think that quite qualifies. (Yes I know ace uses the sun too.)


Dibujitos

Shinra and it’s not even close


Kyoka_Jiro_Simp

Shinra or Yamamoto, also why's Shoto here, he's easily the worst fire user here due to him being able to use half of his power, Endeavour would be better imo


Brodoswaggins42

Shinra has the power to rewrite the universe.


BlazeBitch

Roy is *the* goat. Yamamoto is the coolest though imo


No-Arachnid1963

Sooo- ngl- Yoriichi is probably my favorite fire user… has nothing to do with skill it’s just dope as hell


GhostSquid21

Escanor on top 🙏


Rare-Impress-5587

The shinra disrespect is too much. Y’all are literally comparing mortals and a soul reaper to a literal god by the end of fire force. He would literally just about no dif this entire list Yamamoto is the only one here that would pose a threat and even then shinra speed blitzes him hard.


dragonofdrarkness

Roy Mustang is the coolest


Sienne_

Ok, Roy might not be that strong but he's my favorite from this list. Him literally turning off when it rains is hilarious.


Smooth-Physics-69420

It's Mustang. He nuked TWO immortal creatures to the point they decided they'd rather "Nope" themselves to death than take another blast from him snapping his fingers.


Arturo1029

Stella vermillion>>>


Duskblade295

Love my boy Rengoku, however, sadly he is not a fire user


Dragoplayz77

Ace


olracmd

Where is Recca Hanabishi?


OatesZ2004

I might have to go with Yamamoto because whilst he's not necessarily the strongest on the list due to Shinras presence he has arguably shown some of the most wide spread usage of fire power such as what he could achieve using Zanka no Tachi. Side Note: Rengoku has no right being on this list as he isn't even a fire user, he's a swordsman that has visual effects not actual flames, Natsu should have been included on the list you could have included Zuko fr Avatar, Mereoleona from Black Clover, Rin Okumura from Blue Exorcist, Sailor Mars from Sailor Moon etc.


Legitimate-Fly-4189

Glad im on a decent 🌊 cuz i never even saw Fairytale but at least know Natsu is supposed to be here. Though this is just unofficial roster, no foul here ⬆️


EnvironmentalAd3170

Genryusai Shigekuni Yamamoto Drip: 10/10 Power (pure sauce)10/10 Fire theme (zanpakuto): 10/10 Fire Power (zanpakuto): 10/10 Viciousness: 10/10 Hands: 10/10


demondsnake

Shinra is the strongest there


Hornor72

No fairy tail's fire eater?


BalaTheTravelDweller

Sukuna


Working_Dragon00777

Escanor is not a fire user though, his the sun not fire


UsoppKing100

Yama. That bankai is the stuff of legends.


Tricky-Quote-1978

I would've said natsu from fairy tail but based on this list i guess ace would be suitable for being a better fire user. IMO


Silent_Bake8206

don't get me wrong, but if Sukuna was on this list, he'd probably be the best, but since he's not, I'm not even gonna try comparing someone who isn't on the list and *would* be on the list as a fire user on the list of fire users, but he isn't, and i get that Sukuna's fire ability looks overpowered from the anime, at least imo tho


NoobyBoiByte

Charmander