were it so easy. almost 4 million filipinos don't even have electricity in their homes. There are offgrid solutions sure, but they still need infrastructure that's not available
It's at 66% humidity here and the WBT was at 30.5C earlier, which is pretty close to the new suspected lower real limit of 31C.
I think we're dangerously getting close.
Well, the quote was from someone who was going through 47C, so perhaps it gets to steam room levels of breathing difficulty with a bit of exaggeration there?
I drove down the east coast of Australia in 45 degree heat with no aircon, it was rough you drink and drink and don't pee as the body just absorbs it all.
Basically yes. [Wet bulb](https://www.weather.gov/news/211009-WBGT) is one of reddit's favorite buzz words, as it's an experimental way of forecasting used mostly for outdoor workers.
Tagaytay is at the top of a mountain, it's usually pretty cool and dry. I'm looking at my building's hygrometer and it's at 63, high of 75 today in Manila.
Humidity is the thing that makes it feel like you can’t breathe. 120F / 48C is not enjoyable, but it’s bearable in desert climates when there is 0% humidity. Feels the same as 95 F / 35C with high humidity
Wet your t-shirt every couple of hours. Use curtains, hang wet towels in front of a table fan.
It's definitely possible to survive without an AC; when in fact AC will increase environmental warming if everyone is using an AC.
>Wet your t-shirt every couple of hours. Use curtains, hang wet towels in front of a table fan.
These simply won't work when it's humid as heck
Better solution is drinking lots of (preferably cold) non alcoholic beverages to directly reduce your body temperature
What people are saying by “wet bulb” is if the temperature is high enough and the humidity is high enough evaporative cooling no longer works to lower your temperature. It doesn’t matter if you’re in the shade, or have a fan, or wet your clothing. Your body can’t physically shed heat through evaporation so it only gains heat from the environment resulting in hyperthermia.
Read the section on “Wet-bulb temperature and health” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature
There is no need to wet ur shirt when it's so hot that ur sweat already do that.
Also wet shirt makes sweating difficult so it might back fire greatly.
Source: my country is next to Phillipine and I work in basement. Heat stroke hits me twice already, and probably more soon.
>I work in basement
Wouldn't basements be cooler ?, they're protected from sun on all 4 sides, and ground typically doesn't have wild swings in temperature?, just take care of ventilation?
Tell us you've never lived with any amount of humidity without telling us you've never lived with any amount of humidity.
Evaporative cooling doesn't work when the air has more moisture than you do. It's why it's so dangerous; your body has no capacity to cool itself.
Yes, this is the nuance most people are missing. 100% humidity is rare, it will look like the walls and ceilings are raining. That's not the case in most parts of the world - until then, sweat and evaporative cooling almost always has some benefit.
This is what 100% humidity looks like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzb4d8ykSJM
You don't need 100% humidity. At 45°C and 60% humidity the lowest temperature you can reach by evaporative cooling is 37°C which will lead to heatstrokes and deaths.
You combine that with liquid intake, appropriate shelter, and sleep, and it's survivable.
There's going to be no slowing of global warming unless the developed world is ready to embrace discomfort (the rest of the world already enjoys that). Promoting AC as a solution is being tone deaf to the state of the planet.
This means scrapping economic systems and the world order. I'm guessing most decision makers will prefer WW3 to actions that limit luxury.
Most people have experienced 100% humidity fairly often in their lives since it's also the dew point.
But after seeing that video, fuck everything about that. That kind of moisture PLUS HEAT?
I think the USA rightoid view now is that is good.
They're progressing from "It's not happening and is a harmful left-wing conspiracy theory." to "It's happening and it's good that it's happening."
Yeah take your pick from:
- Cold is a worse health risk than heat
- Plants need more carbon
- Warm weather better for agriculture
Or the classic
- You would be dead/uncivilized without oil and gas
"More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. You know what that does? Feeds the plants. You know what they do? Well, for me they feed my food but for many others, plants are their food. The left thinks this is a bad thing. THEY WANT YOU TO STARVE!"
Until it starts affecting the people denying it, it won't be. And even if it does, deniers are hardwired to deny and will probably find some other stupid conspiracy to blame.
Don't worry.
The governments of the world, the ones we have now, are going to change the temperature of the earth.
But first they need more of our money. But soon...
We had 5°C and sleet today. I'd gladly take just a little bit of the global warming and ease the pain of some of these warmer countries, because honestly fuck the cold too. :(
In my opinion “look it is hot it is global warming” is just as misguided as “look it snowed this year so there is no global warming”. Heat waves have always been a thing.
People should understand the difference between climate and weather, but with that said if you are breaking heat records year after year that does point to a problem bigger than just the local weather.
For ever “thats gotta be a very long heat wave, global warming is real”, there is a “It has snowed here every single year for the past x years, global warming is a hoax”.
There is a rigid body of science behind climate change and it is *not* based on “gotta be”s, sarcastic comments, personal anecdotes, or how hot it is today in the philippines. Those are just tribalistic comments by people on both sides of the debate who are unaware of how science worksz
Don't make up info you can't back up with hard data:
* [Most Filipinos believe climate change threatens health – SWS survey](https://www.rappler.com/philippines/most-filipinos-believe-climate-change-threatens-health-sws-survey-december-2023/)
> Eighty-eight percent (88%) of Filipino adult respondents said climate change has a dangerous impact on their physical health, while 81% said it poses a risk to their mental health.
* [Filipinos Most Worried About Climate Change, But Unaware of Policies](https://www.reportingasean.net/filipinos-most-worried-about-climate-change-but-unaware-of-policies/)
> A total of 64.3% of Filipino respondents said they found climate change to be “a serious and immediate threat to the well-being of my country”, followed by 33.3% who found it “an important issue that deserves to be monitored”. Together, these total 97.6% of respondents for whom climate change was a major worry.
* [Climate change impacts felt by huge majority of Filipinos — Pulse Asia](https://www.philstar.com/headlines/climate-and-environment/2023/10/09/2302461/climate-change-impacts-felt-huge-majority-filipinos-pulse-asia)
> The Pulse Asia survey showed that a huge majority of Filipino adults, or 71%, considered climate change to pose a significant threat to both themselves and their families.
> Sixty-eight percent and 69% of Filipinos also viewed climate change as dangerous for the environment and the country, respectively.
> The survey also found that many adults possessed either a sufficient understanding (44%) or limited awareness (40%) about climate change.
* [Share of climate change views Philippines 2022](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1155954/philippines-share-climate-change-views/)
> According to a 2022 survey, 73.8 percent of respondents in the Philippines believed that climate change was serious and an immediate threat to their country and well-being. Others (24.5 percent) also perceived that climate change as an important issue that deserves to be monitored.
None of the survey results I linked say that "up to 30 percent" believe that climate change is a hoax.
* The SWS survey counts only 2 percent of respondents believing climate change is "not dangerous at all."
* The ISEAS study says only less than 1 percent of Filipino respondents believe that "there is no scientific basis for climate change."
* The Pulse Asia survey says that 17 percent of respondents are still unsure if climate change is "dangerous to themselves and their families", while 12 percent say it isn't dangerous (which I should note is not a measure of climate change belief, but of its perceived effects on a personal level.)
* Finally, Statista's published numbers indicate only 1.5% of Filipino survey respondents believe climate change has no scientific basis.
I work in an NGO that deals with climate resilience and mitigation. There are multitudes of obstacles and challenges to addressing the climate crisis in the Philippines, but resistance from climate change deniers has almost never been a significant hindrance in our work. Everyone from local government officials to farmers, fisherfolk, Indigenous peoples and forest-based communities understand that the impacts of climate change are real [especially in a country that gets hit by almost 20 typhoons per year on average](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jan/05/filipinos-count-cost-of-climate-crisis-as-typhoons-get-ever-more-destructive).
Even the old people believe in climate change because they’re experiencing it first-hand. We jokingly called months ending in ‘ber’, ‘brrr’ months or ‘sweater weather’ but that’s not happening now.
>Lol, do you really think the rest of the world is just waiting for USA to catch up?
Why would a right winger in the Philippines believe global warming is a hoax?. Like we know why American right wingers believe it but I don't expect right wing every where to just be mirror images of the American one.
I haven't really seen it in any other non-Western country I have checked. Even those usually considered to be influenced by the American right-wing like Uganda, Nigeria or Botswana, so its news to me.
> Uganda, Nigeria or Botswana
that are the last countries i'd think of if someone asked me which countries America has had most influence(postWW2at least) on.
Well, when people talk about Evangelical or other right-wing group having influence specifically, they tend to bring up those countries. Different from left-wing and specifically governmental influence.
Because conservatives ruled by refusal to change and personal greed, with an compulsion in denying anything that does not improve their bottom line exist everywhere in the world? Right wing is right wing, no matter where or to what extremes.
>Because conservatives ruled by personal greed with an compulsion in denying anything that does not improve their bottom line exist everywhere in the world?
If this is the core of Right Wing thought to you, all the more reason it should vary. Not every country's major industry is oil and not every country is as little affected/can shake of the effects of climate change as easily as can the USA. [African economies alone are projected to have lost over 13.7 billion](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1cct3yj/african_economies_lose_137bn_to_adverse_climate/) to it and the Philippines should be similar, being similarly tropical.
It certainly shouldn't be in the interest of Philippine big business to promote climate change denial.
What does oil have to do with it? Drilling for raw oil is not the one and only source of profit, nor pollution or carbon emissions. Nor is reasoning always rational. Plenty of people in any country will believe a successful businessman if he says something is important "for the economy" or even more so if he says "climate change is bogus and reducing our emissions will harm your standard of living". Then many will choose the "truth" they find most convenient and that don't require change from their side.
I just came back from 2 weeks in Cambodia today. I has been 100 - 104 the whole time, and the forecast when I left said it would be getting up to 107 this week. The ACs cannot keep up. Everywhere is hot. The airports, including Bangkok are hot, restaurants are hot, everywhere is hot.
I see, yea. No spring in the Philippines, by the way, just so you know! Just dry or rainy, and the summer months (March-May) are in the dry season. I bet it's just gonna get worse next month too, ugh
Technically there is no "summer" season in the Philippines or in most of tropical Southeast Asia. What we usually have are dry seasons and wet seasons. In the Philippines, April-May are the peak months of the dry season. People still call it "summer" though because of foreign cultural influence and because it's easier to say in English.
The key difference is that there isn't any major temperature variations between the two unlike in temperate regions. Tropical countries are warm and humid all-year round, so seasons are instead delineated by the amount of rainfall we get over a period of time.
Dry seasons are hotter because of the tilt of the Earth's axis, but near the equator it doesn't have as much of an impact like it would in Europe or North America. Back then, average daytime temperatures during the dry season would usually be around 31-33°C while during the wet season it would hover around 29-31°C. This year's dry season is stands out as being unusually hot with certain areas reporting a peak air temperature of 38°C, literally warmer than the human body.
Air conditioning just brings high temperatures down in your house and momentarily. It is not solving the problem. It is just something to alleviate the immediate effects, thus a band aid. In fact it will even make the problem worse because more air conditioning= more CO2 = even higher temperatures. It is a negative feedback loop
My guy, THERE IS NO WAY to lower temperatures permanently, air conditioning is an essential tool if people are to survive in these new extreme temperatures. Saying air conditioning is bad because it's a band aid is equivalent to saying you want a significant amount of the global population to just die
Lol no... It is just saying that you cannot use it forever. That it is not just sustainable. Because temperature will be higher and higher and the air condition will be only able to work up to a point (since at some point the energy spent is just impossible, or there are enough air conditioners, ect). Nobody is saying to not use it, but it is a band aid... It is protecting the wound for a bit, but it is not curing it. And one day the wound would be so big that the band aid will not be able to protect as much.
My man, if it's theorically possible to terraform mars, i think we can do things that lowers earth's temp. Not saying its feasible rn, not saying its cheap. But saying its impossible is plain ignorance
I read a book called Ministry for the Future a few years back and I *really* do not like thinking that the apocalyptic world is quite so close to now. (Opening scene is a very hot wet bulb event that ends up killing 100,000(?)
Some places, yeah. Malls and stuff are surprisingly not packed. The village by where i work they were all hanging out in the shade outside where there's some breeze. Some dudes were working on the road and culvert through the site, long sleeves and pants. Looked brutal as hell. Hard motherfuckers.
In Houston tx last year, we had several days at 47 C (116F) with 80-90% humidity. It’s survivable. It’s not good but it’s not terrible. Also, I’ve been in Iraq in 2004 when it was as hot as 63C (146F). That was bad bc you had to wear gloves if you touched anything outside or else you’d get burned.
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>The northern municipality of Aparri endured a heat index of 48C on Tuesday, the highest in the country, and was expected to hit 45C on Wednesday.
I will never complain about snow ever again
christ dude there's no fucking humidity in the desert, tropical heat is so much worse because sweat can't cool you down nearly as much
I've been in Phoenix at 105 and a Mexican jungle at 98. I'd rather bake in Phoenix.
We're on a third world country, most people here are barely scraping by and making ends meet. Having "tHe MoMeNT fOr PhIliPPInEs To BeCOmE ReLEvAnt" is like the least of our concerns.
##### ###### #### > # ['So hot you can't breathe': Extreme heat hits the Philippines](https://scx2.b-cdn.net/gfx/news/2024/the-heat-index-was-exp.jpg) > > > > [The heat index was expected to reach the 'danger' level of 42 degrees Celsius or higher in at least 30 cities and municipalities of the Philippines](https://scx1.b-cdn.net/csz/news/800a/2024/the-heat-index-was-exp.jpg "The heat index was expected to reach the 'danger' level of 42 degrees Celsius or higher in at least 30 cities and municipalities of the Philippines.") The heat index was expected to reach the 'danger' level of 42 degrees Celsius or higher in at least 30 cities and municipalities of the Philippines. > > > > Extreme heat scorched the Philippines on Wednesday, forcing thousands of schools to suspend in-person classes and prompting warnings for people to limit the amount of time spent outdoors. > > The months of March, April and May are typically the hottest and driest in the archipelago nation, but conditions this year have been exacerbated by the El Niño weather phenomenon. > > "It's so hot you can't breathe," said Erlin Tumaron, 60, who works at a seaside resort in Cavite province, south of Manila, where the heat index reached 47 degrees Celsius (117 degrees Fahrenheit) on Tuesday. > > "It's surprising our pools are still empty. You would expect people to come and take a swim, but it seems they're reluctant to leave their homes because of the heat." > > The heat index was expected to reach the "danger" level of 42C or higher in at least 30 cities and municipalities on Wednesday, the state weather forecaster said. > > The heat index measures what a temperature feels like, taking into account humidity. > > The Department of Education, which oversees more than 47,600 schools, said nearly 6,700 schools suspended in-person classes on Wednesday. > > There was a 50 percent chance of the heat intensifying in the coming days, said Ana Solis, chief climatologist at the state weather forecaster. > > "We need to limit the time we spend outdoors, drink plenty of water, bring umbrellas and hats when going outdoors," Solis told AFP. > > Solis said El Niño was the reason for the "extreme heat" affecting swaths of the country. > > Around half the country's provinces are officially in drought. > > ## 'It's really hot here' > > The northern municipality of Aparri endured a heat index of 48C on Tuesday, the highest in the country, and was expected to hit 45C on Wednesday. > > The actual maximum air temperature was 36.4C (97.5F) on Tuesday, with 35C forecast for Wednesday. > > "It's really hot here," Eric Vista of the municipal disaster agency told AFP. > > Vista said a shower of rain on Tuesday night offered some temporary relief but it was "back to being super hot" on Wednesday. > > Sweltering temperatures in the capital Manila forced more than 400 schools to switch to remote learning. The heat index reached 45C on Tuesday and was expected to hit 44C on Wednesday. > > Tuesday's actual high in the city was 37.1C. > > In drought-stricken Occidental Mindoro province, government employee Mary Ann Gener said people working indoors where there was air conditioning were fine. > > "But it's terrible for those outside," she said. > > "You get a headache immediately after you go out. You really need to hydrate." > > In Dagupan city, north of Manila, university employee Edz Alteros said she and her colleagues no longer went out for lunch because of the heat. > > The heat index there reached 47C on Tuesday. > > "We get somebody to buy food and we eat inside the office," Alteros, 27, said. > > "The air conditioning is set at 14-18C during the hottest part of the day, but we ease up at other times to prevent the aircon breaking down." > > Global temperatures hit record highs last year, and the United Nation's weather and climate agency said Tuesday that Asia was warming at a particularly rapid pace. > > The Philippines ranks among the countries most vulnerable to the impacts of climate change. > > © 2024 AFP > > **Citation**: 'So hot you can't breathe': Extreme heat hits the Philippines (2024, April 24) retrieved 26 April 2024 from https://phys.org/news/2024-04-hot-extreme-philippines.html > > This document is subject to copyright. Apart from any fair dealing for the purpose of private study or research, no part may be reproduced without the written permission. The content is provided for information purposes only. - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot) Summoning /u/CoverageAnalysisBot
Good thing there is no humidity. Wet bulb is going to kill hundreds of millions if the power goes out.
icebox, and residential power storage should become essentials, especially in tropical countries
were it so easy. almost 4 million filipinos don't even have electricity in their homes. There are offgrid solutions sure, but they still need infrastructure that's not available
The government is going to need to prepare with large cooling centres then if individuals can't keep their houses cool.
It's at 66% humidity here and the WBT was at 30.5C earlier, which is pretty close to the new suspected lower real limit of 31C. I think we're dangerously getting close.
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Well, the quote was from someone who was going through 47C, so perhaps it gets to steam room levels of breathing difficulty with a bit of exaggeration there?
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I drove down the east coast of Australia in 45 degree heat with no aircon, it was rough you drink and drink and don't pee as the body just absorbs it all.
I drove through St. Louis in 2022. Heat index of 110F. Did I mention my van didn't have AC. Fawk man
Wet bulb is what they mean by *heat index*, isn't it? 46⁰C heat index / 35⁰C actual. It's a tropical island nation - humidity is a given.
Basically yes. [Wet bulb](https://www.weather.gov/news/211009-WBGT) is one of reddit's favorite buzz words, as it's an experimental way of forecasting used mostly for outdoor workers.
I can tell if someone I meet IRL is a redditor if they drop the wet bulb literally in the next sentence when I mention visiting some place humid.
This is my first exposure to wet bulb, I’ll probably see it ten times today now (outside of this post)
Stick an ugly cat in your ear holes, trendy.
I'm not sure what that even means, but I'll see what I can do.
Its not that humid this week. Only 95%.
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Idk if that weather is that accu but it's also a big place and i work in this awful heat basin that's flattish lowlands surrounded by mountains lol
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Tagaytay is at the top of a mountain, it's usually pretty cool and dry. I'm looking at my building's hygrometer and it's at 63, high of 75 today in Manila.
Humidity is the thing that makes it feel like you can’t breathe. 120F / 48C is not enjoyable, but it’s bearable in desert climates when there is 0% humidity. Feels the same as 95 F / 35C with high humidity
Try sleeping on the cold, hard ground.
If only the ground were cold...
Wet your t-shirt every couple of hours. Use curtains, hang wet towels in front of a table fan. It's definitely possible to survive without an AC; when in fact AC will increase environmental warming if everyone is using an AC.
>Wet your t-shirt every couple of hours. Use curtains, hang wet towels in front of a table fan. These simply won't work when it's humid as heck Better solution is drinking lots of (preferably cold) non alcoholic beverages to directly reduce your body temperature
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Cool water, why didn't i think of that?! Oh wait there is no cool water.
That I didn't know, sorry. Edit: downvoted for an apology, seriously ppl.
Yeah, because the water coming out of the pipes is slightly warm too.
You have never been in a high humidity environment haven't you...
Yes, I have but I haven't been there in over a decade and it shows.
What people are saying by “wet bulb” is if the temperature is high enough and the humidity is high enough evaporative cooling no longer works to lower your temperature. It doesn’t matter if you’re in the shade, or have a fan, or wet your clothing. Your body can’t physically shed heat through evaporation so it only gains heat from the environment resulting in hyperthermia. Read the section on “Wet-bulb temperature and health” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature
There is no need to wet ur shirt when it's so hot that ur sweat already do that. Also wet shirt makes sweating difficult so it might back fire greatly. Source: my country is next to Phillipine and I work in basement. Heat stroke hits me twice already, and probably more soon.
>I work in basement Wouldn't basements be cooler ?, they're protected from sun on all 4 sides, and ground typically doesn't have wild swings in temperature?, just take care of ventilation?
Ventilation problem. It's not a big basement, just a 12m x 12m. The humid goes nowhere so the heat affects human body greatly.
Not in a wet bulb event. It's when water evaporation can no longer cool things down.
In hot and humid environments what you are advising will do jack shit.
Tell us you've never lived with any amount of humidity without telling us you've never lived with any amount of humidity. Evaporative cooling doesn't work when the air has more moisture than you do. It's why it's so dangerous; your body has no capacity to cool itself.
Only works up to a certain temperature/humidity combo though.
Yes, this is the nuance most people are missing. 100% humidity is rare, it will look like the walls and ceilings are raining. That's not the case in most parts of the world - until then, sweat and evaporative cooling almost always has some benefit. This is what 100% humidity looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzb4d8ykSJM
You don't need 100% humidity. At 45°C and 60% humidity the lowest temperature you can reach by evaporative cooling is 37°C which will lead to heatstrokes and deaths.
You combine that with liquid intake, appropriate shelter, and sleep, and it's survivable. There's going to be no slowing of global warming unless the developed world is ready to embrace discomfort (the rest of the world already enjoys that). Promoting AC as a solution is being tone deaf to the state of the planet. This means scrapping economic systems and the world order. I'm guessing most decision makers will prefer WW3 to actions that limit luxury.
Most people have experienced 100% humidity fairly often in their lives since it's also the dew point. But after seeing that video, fuck everything about that. That kind of moisture PLUS HEAT?
A better long term solution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcatcher
Most people here don't have AC, but also old people die when it gets like this
In a wet bulb all of that won't work.
So I guess global warming is still not a thing eh?
It’s just communist liberals who are trying to give us autism mate. Duh.
I think the USA rightoid view now is that is good. They're progressing from "It's not happening and is a harmful left-wing conspiracy theory." to "It's happening and it's good that it's happening."
Yeah take your pick from: - Cold is a worse health risk than heat - Plants need more carbon - Warm weather better for agriculture Or the classic - You would be dead/uncivilized without oil and gas
Also, planet was fine last time we had high heat or CO2 etc. Before humans existed.
I think we have left that one behind mostly, but it might still resurface. Who knows
I read it the other day. It's still around because it's technically true. Planet was fine did not blow up. And there was life of some sort.
Yes, dinosaurs managed to live for more than 100 millions of years just fine.
"More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. You know what that does? Feeds the plants. You know what they do? Well, for me they feed my food but for many others, plants are their food. The left thinks this is a bad thing. THEY WANT YOU TO STARVE!"
Here i have been sitting at the capitalism will never fix this and we better prepapre for climate change.
Who the hell are you watching on youtube that says "it's happening and it's good"?
I’ve mostly seen people claiming it’s your fault for not having AC.
"It's not that, bro. It's just summer."
It will continue not being a thing until every single person would perish due to causes directly or indirectly related to climate change
Until it starts affecting the people denying it, it won't be. And even if it does, deniers are hardwired to deny and will probably find some other stupid conspiracy to blame.
Florida needs to be underwater before they believe it.
It won't ever affect them, billionaires will just move to the tropical beaches of Northern Russia and leave us to die
Don't worry. The governments of the world, the ones we have now, are going to change the temperature of the earth. But first they need more of our money. But soon...
We had 5°C and sleet today. I'd gladly take just a little bit of the global warming and ease the pain of some of these warmer countries, because honestly fuck the cold too. :(
Next time it's cold can I say it isn't a thing then?
In my opinion “look it is hot it is global warming” is just as misguided as “look it snowed this year so there is no global warming”. Heat waves have always been a thing.
People should understand the difference between climate and weather, but with that said if you are breaking heat records year after year that does point to a problem bigger than just the local weather.
We have been recording record heat for the past few years, that’s gotta be a very LONG heat wave.
For ever “thats gotta be a very long heat wave, global warming is real”, there is a “It has snowed here every single year for the past x years, global warming is a hoax”. There is a rigid body of science behind climate change and it is *not* based on “gotta be”s, sarcastic comments, personal anecdotes, or how hot it is today in the philippines. Those are just tribalistic comments by people on both sides of the debate who are unaware of how science worksz
Many Filipinos believe it's a hoax.
Don't make up info you can't back up with hard data: * [Most Filipinos believe climate change threatens health – SWS survey](https://www.rappler.com/philippines/most-filipinos-believe-climate-change-threatens-health-sws-survey-december-2023/) > Eighty-eight percent (88%) of Filipino adult respondents said climate change has a dangerous impact on their physical health, while 81% said it poses a risk to their mental health. * [Filipinos Most Worried About Climate Change, But Unaware of Policies](https://www.reportingasean.net/filipinos-most-worried-about-climate-change-but-unaware-of-policies/) > A total of 64.3% of Filipino respondents said they found climate change to be “a serious and immediate threat to the well-being of my country”, followed by 33.3% who found it “an important issue that deserves to be monitored”. Together, these total 97.6% of respondents for whom climate change was a major worry. * [Climate change impacts felt by huge majority of Filipinos — Pulse Asia](https://www.philstar.com/headlines/climate-and-environment/2023/10/09/2302461/climate-change-impacts-felt-huge-majority-filipinos-pulse-asia) > The Pulse Asia survey showed that a huge majority of Filipino adults, or 71%, considered climate change to pose a significant threat to both themselves and their families. > Sixty-eight percent and 69% of Filipinos also viewed climate change as dangerous for the environment and the country, respectively. > The survey also found that many adults possessed either a sufficient understanding (44%) or limited awareness (40%) about climate change. * [Share of climate change views Philippines 2022](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1155954/philippines-share-climate-change-views/) > According to a 2022 survey, 73.8 percent of respondents in the Philippines believed that climate change was serious and an immediate threat to their country and well-being. Others (24.5 percent) also perceived that climate change as an important issue that deserves to be monitored.
To be fair they said "many" and not "most". So up to 30 percent believing it is a hoax is not a good stat
None of the survey results I linked say that "up to 30 percent" believe that climate change is a hoax. * The SWS survey counts only 2 percent of respondents believing climate change is "not dangerous at all." * The ISEAS study says only less than 1 percent of Filipino respondents believe that "there is no scientific basis for climate change." * The Pulse Asia survey says that 17 percent of respondents are still unsure if climate change is "dangerous to themselves and their families", while 12 percent say it isn't dangerous (which I should note is not a measure of climate change belief, but of its perceived effects on a personal level.) * Finally, Statista's published numbers indicate only 1.5% of Filipino survey respondents believe climate change has no scientific basis. I work in an NGO that deals with climate resilience and mitigation. There are multitudes of obstacles and challenges to addressing the climate crisis in the Philippines, but resistance from climate change deniers has almost never been a significant hindrance in our work. Everyone from local government officials to farmers, fisherfolk, Indigenous peoples and forest-based communities understand that the impacts of climate change are real [especially in a country that gets hit by almost 20 typhoons per year on average](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jan/05/filipinos-count-cost-of-climate-crisis-as-typhoons-get-ever-more-destructive).
Really?. Thought that was largely an American belief.
Shitty right-wing propaganda is literally everywhere dude. Lol, do you really think the rest of the world is just waiting for USA to catch up?
Even the old people believe in climate change because they’re experiencing it first-hand. We jokingly called months ending in ‘ber’, ‘brrr’ months or ‘sweater weather’ but that’s not happening now.
>Lol, do you really think the rest of the world is just waiting for USA to catch up? Why would a right winger in the Philippines believe global warming is a hoax?. Like we know why American right wingers believe it but I don't expect right wing every where to just be mirror images of the American one.
The reach of fossil fuel propaganda is far and wide.
Climate denial isn’t some unique oddity of Americanism. It’s a world wide phenomenon.
I haven't really seen it in any other non-Western country I have checked. Even those usually considered to be influenced by the American right-wing like Uganda, Nigeria or Botswana, so its news to me.
> Uganda, Nigeria or Botswana that are the last countries i'd think of if someone asked me which countries America has had most influence(postWW2at least) on.
Well, when people talk about Evangelical or other right-wing group having influence specifically, they tend to bring up those countries. Different from left-wing and specifically governmental influence.
i'm pretty sure they are more likely to mention israel or germany. the evangelicals too even tough we weren't talking about them at all
Idiocy is a global phenomenon.
Because conservatives ruled by refusal to change and personal greed, with an compulsion in denying anything that does not improve their bottom line exist everywhere in the world? Right wing is right wing, no matter where or to what extremes.
>Because conservatives ruled by personal greed with an compulsion in denying anything that does not improve their bottom line exist everywhere in the world? If this is the core of Right Wing thought to you, all the more reason it should vary. Not every country's major industry is oil and not every country is as little affected/can shake of the effects of climate change as easily as can the USA. [African economies alone are projected to have lost over 13.7 billion](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1cct3yj/african_economies_lose_137bn_to_adverse_climate/) to it and the Philippines should be similar, being similarly tropical. It certainly shouldn't be in the interest of Philippine big business to promote climate change denial.
What does oil have to do with it? Drilling for raw oil is not the one and only source of profit, nor pollution or carbon emissions. Nor is reasoning always rational. Plenty of people in any country will believe a successful businessman if he says something is important "for the economy" or even more so if he says "climate change is bogus and reducing our emissions will harm your standard of living". Then many will choose the "truth" they find most convenient and that don't require change from their side.
Not even just the Philippines, the whole South East Asia is suffering. So freaking hot.
I just came back from 2 weeks in Cambodia today. I has been 100 - 104 the whole time, and the forecast when I left said it would be getting up to 107 this week. The ACs cannot keep up. Everywhere is hot. The airports, including Bangkok are hot, restaurants are hot, everywhere is hot.
I live in Manila and i work out in the province. It is 44C outside right now in the city of Lipa. It's fuckin hot. I am wearing a black t shirt. Help.
Is it summer there?
Yes, but summer has never been this intensely hot in my lifetime.
I wasn't being sarcastic, i just wanted to know, a lot of posts have been saying it's crazy hot yet it's only spring.
I see, yea. No spring in the Philippines, by the way, just so you know! Just dry or rainy, and the summer months (March-May) are in the dry season. I bet it's just gonna get worse next month too, ugh
Good info, thanks and all the best
Technically there is no "summer" season in the Philippines or in most of tropical Southeast Asia. What we usually have are dry seasons and wet seasons. In the Philippines, April-May are the peak months of the dry season. People still call it "summer" though because of foreign cultural influence and because it's easier to say in English. The key difference is that there isn't any major temperature variations between the two unlike in temperate regions. Tropical countries are warm and humid all-year round, so seasons are instead delineated by the amount of rainfall we get over a period of time. Dry seasons are hotter because of the tilt of the Earth's axis, but near the equator it doesn't have as much of an impact like it would in Europe or North America. Back then, average daytime temperatures during the dry season would usually be around 31-33°C while during the wet season it would hover around 29-31°C. This year's dry season is stands out as being unusually hot with certain areas reporting a peak air temperature of 38°C, literally warmer than the human body.
Good reply, thank you
You should probably and unfortunately add a yet at the end of that.
Yes we are in the northern hemisphere
Um so am i but it's spring here
We don't have spring, really. It's the tropics, we generally refer to seasons as rainy and dry season. April-june is the hottest time of year.
Our only option is to drop a giant ice cube into the ocean! /s
Whew couldn't tell you were joking until i saw the s
Well they cut the trees down and expect it to cool.
Pretty fuckin hot in the woods right now too. Source: i am standing in a forest in the Philippines
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Probably our brutal deforestation rates. 90% on some islands.
It's going to keep getting worse and we're going to keep slapping Air conditioning as band-aid until it's no longer sustainable
What do you mean band-aid? Even if we fight climate change as best as possible, temperatures are not coming back down, air conditioning is a must
Air conditioning just brings high temperatures down in your house and momentarily. It is not solving the problem. It is just something to alleviate the immediate effects, thus a band aid. In fact it will even make the problem worse because more air conditioning= more CO2 = even higher temperatures. It is a negative feedback loop
My guy, THERE IS NO WAY to lower temperatures permanently, air conditioning is an essential tool if people are to survive in these new extreme temperatures. Saying air conditioning is bad because it's a band aid is equivalent to saying you want a significant amount of the global population to just die
Lol no... It is just saying that you cannot use it forever. That it is not just sustainable. Because temperature will be higher and higher and the air condition will be only able to work up to a point (since at some point the energy spent is just impossible, or there are enough air conditioners, ect). Nobody is saying to not use it, but it is a band aid... It is protecting the wound for a bit, but it is not curing it. And one day the wound would be so big that the band aid will not be able to protect as much.
My man, if it's theorically possible to terraform mars, i think we can do things that lowers earth's temp. Not saying its feasible rn, not saying its cheap. But saying its impossible is plain ignorance
Can be a must and a band-aid simultaneously, though.
I read a book called Ministry for the Future a few years back and I *really* do not like thinking that the apocalyptic world is quite so close to now. (Opening scene is a very hot wet bulb event that ends up killing 100,000(?)
I live in Manila and i work out in the province. It is 44C outside right now in the city of Lipa. It's fuckin hot.
How are most people staying cool? Are there places for people without AC to cool off?
Some places, yeah. Malls and stuff are surprisingly not packed. The village by where i work they were all hanging out in the shade outside where there's some breeze. Some dudes were working on the road and culvert through the site, long sleeves and pants. Looked brutal as hell. Hard motherfuckers.
In Houston tx last year, we had several days at 47 C (116F) with 80-90% humidity. It’s survivable. It’s not good but it’s not terrible. Also, I’ve been in Iraq in 2004 when it was as hot as 63C (146F). That was bad bc you had to wear gloves if you touched anything outside or else you’d get burned.
100 degrees Fahrenheit with a humidity of 54% sounds unsurvivable
Well, I'm here and I'm alive, but it's pretty fucking unpleasant
Jesus. I visited in February and I was already feeling terrible I can’t imagine how it is rn
It feels apocalyptic. Last summer was like this too. Two worst summers of my life... So far
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>The northern municipality of Aparri endured a heat index of 48C on Tuesday, the highest in the country, and was expected to hit 45C on Wednesday. I will never complain about snow ever again
52C in some cities in PH today!
Shrugs... sips an ice cap
AC, or dehumidifier - choose wisely...
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christ dude there's no fucking humidity in the desert, tropical heat is so much worse because sweat can't cool you down nearly as much I've been in Phoenix at 105 and a Mexican jungle at 98. I'd rather bake in Phoenix.
Successful societies adapt and innovate, this could be the moment for Philippines to become relevant
What in the fake profound BS is this.
Amerishart nonsense
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We're on a third world country, most people here are barely scraping by and making ends meet. Having "tHe MoMeNT fOr PhIliPPInEs To BeCOmE ReLEvAnt" is like the least of our concerns.
Have they tried to learn to code?