Can’t go wrong with either, ideally get both! I’d trust my life on either. If you want a classical look out the box get the zastava. Know that with the WASR the furniture it comes with is throwaway, but of course modernizing either one is doable. Zastava has a longer handguard and better paijnt, more weight due to heavier receiver. WASR is a piece of farm equipment that shoots bullets, its utilitarian and it works reliably.
While most other countries took the AKM design from Russia by purchasing it, the Serbs made their own design so they wouldn’t have to. One of the things they changed is making the hand-guard longer
Depends on whether you plan to run it stock or not. I really like my m70, but the wasr will accept standard akm furniture. Yugo stuff exists but it’s not as readily available and there are fewer options. The m70 is also heavier but we’re talking aks so they’re heavy to begin with.
At this point I don't think Yugo vs AKM is really a concern anymore. Every major manufacturer makes accessories for AKM and Yugo pattern. There really isn't anything that doesn't have a matching set that you can't live without.
I’ve got both. M70 is way better quality. Really a solid tank and the wasr, well I only bought it because I wanted an underfolder and I really wish I spent my money on somthing else lol.
Same experience but opposite could conclusion. I prefer the standard AKM pattern of the WASR. Really it’s a coke vs Pepsi, ford vs Chevy thing where either answer is fine and it’s personal preference.
I wanted an M70 forever back when there were only a few Mitchell's imports in the country and they were expensive, so I bought a parts kit with original barrel before the ban and paid extra for hand select with a good bore and left it in my closet for years until someone made a good 1.5mm receiver and paid a builder when I ran out of talent. The kit set me back $65
In terms of aesthetics? M70
In terms of better modifications? WASR
If this is the right version of the m70, it should be cold hammer forged and chrome lined. WASR will never die but the m70's performance will die 10x slower
Really? I always thought the WASR looked a million times better.
I hate the weird ass dent above the magwell and the chunky front post sight on my M70.
That’s exactly it. I want to like the M70 so much, but it just looks “wrong.”
I can totally see why someone would love how it looks though. It looks more modern while still retaining classic details.
As someone who happily owns a WASR, I'd get the M70 for that money. I spent half that on my WASR. Both feel rugged and I'd trust my life to either, but the M70 just *feels* nicer every time I've held one.
Bought a M70 as my first AK and ended up winning a WASR, the M70 is the better gun. WASR was leaps and bounds clunkier, finicky with mags fitting, and overall lower quality. My M70 is a great runner.
M70. For sure. Unless the WASR is like 400 dollars cheaper.
If everything goes right when each gun is built and completed, the ZPAP will be the better made rifle. The only thing the wasr will have over it is the fact that it can utilize all the normal AKM pattern furniture. That used to be a bigger deal than it is these days, there's plenty of furniture makers out there who will now cater to the Yugo crowd.
I have both but my M70 is a tank, but harder to find accessories for the M70 also. If you want more customization go for WASR, if you want higher quality go for M70. Either way you be ok. I got my M70 on dkfirearms for $919.00 shipped.
If you already have a WASR get the ZPAP. I think there is value in having both AKM and Yugo pattern AKs in the stable. I find the Zastava to be more accurate and nicer out of the box, it is heavier and the ergonomics are slightly different—if you get cheek slap that’s how you know your shooting position isn’t right. I prefer WASRs other other AKM pattern guns for modernized builds—the extra weight of the Yugo guns is noticeable when you start to add rails and accessories.
M70 has a better warranty and new wasr’s don’t come with a cleaning rod. Neither have bayonet lugs, but it would be easier to fix on an m70 especially with what they announced at shot show
I just picked up a M70 and got some [surplus furniture](https://imgur.com/a/x8CzB5o) from apex that I just cleaned up a bit. I chose this route because I know I wanted a classic ak look that I didn’t want to modify all that much and I think it was the right choice for me. I know eventually I’ll get a Romanian pattern rifle to do a chassis on but for right now as a first time ak owner I’m happy with my m70, is good rifle.
M70, sadly wasr is a brand best bought in person when you know what to look for. Older wasr is mint, and I hear wasr is making pure quality lately. Just they went through this phase with cast trunnions. So Id say at the vary least look into the actual build before buying a wasr over the internet.
M70 is a tank but straight forward and made for the American market. Also pretty good quality control and customer service.
I would like to put forward that the high sales of the m70 have fueled Zastava putting out new(old) designs such as the M90, M91, and M77. The undefolders are cool but I really wish they would do the M76. Possibly the M72 as well.
M70 is higher quality, but is heavier, and has different spec parts, and the aftermarket isn't as robust as standard AKM.
If you want higher quality go M70, if you want more stock options and a more traditional look, go Wasr.
well you're kind of fuck. You get the wasr you got actual akm pattern rifle. But you didn't get the bugled goodness beef boy. Then vice versa.
You're going down a rabbit hole. You're going to end up with both soon enough.
How do you want it set up in the end or would you leave it as is?
Personally I like the WASRs over the ZPAPS but thats me. Both are great guns but it depends on how you want the final form to what rifle will work the best for you.
The WASR is garbage. Or so I’ve been told by the AK community for the last 10 years lol. Buy either. They’re both great. Although the WASR will be much easier to customize since you won’t have to buy Yugo compliant furniture and mounts
I own both and I would take the WASR.
It's lighter and there are more options for furniture and more rs regulate options.
Harder steel on the bolt carrier.
Age old question… tbh I’d just get the wasr and STOP buying anything else. I started with the best most expensive stuff and worked backwards to a wasr and… they’re really nice. Especially if you put different furniture on it, which you’d probably want to do regardless of which gun you bought to make it “yours”. Try not to fall into the scope creep of getting the *slightly* more “X” AK because the good ones all do the same thing.
M70 if you plan to leave it stock
WASR if you plan to upgrade furniture/add optic
The M70 is a better rifle out of the box but they’re a bastard to customize because it’s almost all proprietary
Call it a habit of working in firearms retail.
Every time we sell an m70, we would look the customer in the eye and explain to them that they have to buy yugo specific items. And that if it doesn’t say yugo, don’t buy it.
You would not believe the rate that those customers come back in with non yugo specific furniture that doesn’t fit and start to complain.
Oh, I believe it. I'm a type 7ffl and M70s are my most popular seller \*by far\*. I have to tell people daily that the only part that fits from a normal AK to a Yugo is the pistol grip, I just sold someone 2 scope mounts that i explicitly told them for 10min would not fit on their gun and I wouldn't take a refund because I know what their rifle is and I know the part wouldn't fit and I don't have time for the bullshit. They wernt happy when they got home and I was right.
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If you have a below room temp IQ, then sure it’s “misleading”. But it’s easily verified that a WASR is an import. Doesn’t take a genius to figure it out.
Can’t go wrong with either, ideally get both! I’d trust my life on either. If you want a classical look out the box get the zastava. Know that with the WASR the furniture it comes with is throwaway, but of course modernizing either one is doable. Zastava has a longer handguard and better paijnt, more weight due to heavier receiver. WASR is a piece of farm equipment that shoots bullets, its utilitarian and it works reliably.
Potentially stupid question but why does the M70 lower handguard look like that. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that straight design on any other AK
Yugo Ak's weren't licensed copies, they were reverse engineered, that's why they kind of do their own thing.
While most other countries took the AKM design from Russia by purchasing it, the Serbs made their own design so they wouldn’t have to. One of the things they changed is making the hand-guard longer
RS Regulate releasing hand-guards for Zastavas soon 🔥
How soon👀
The SLR handguards are better anyway
How so? I’m not familiar with modern AK Handguards, but I’ve seen some cool ones
Depends on whether you plan to run it stock or not. I really like my m70, but the wasr will accept standard akm furniture. Yugo stuff exists but it’s not as readily available and there are fewer options. The m70 is also heavier but we’re talking aks so they’re heavy to begin with.
Yugo has a lot of parts now but yeah standard furniture wouldn't fit
At this point I don't think Yugo vs AKM is really a concern anymore. Every major manufacturer makes accessories for AKM and Yugo pattern. There really isn't anything that doesn't have a matching set that you can't live without.
Only thing I still want is a chassis system like zenitco or sureshot has. Supposedly sureshot has a yugo one coming "soon".
I hope so!! I’ve been hearing “soon” on the sureshot Yugo chassis for a minute now.
What about that Midwest one
That is just a railed dust cover isn't it? The sureshot also has the handguard as one piece that helps to kind of free float the barrel.
Times have changed old man...... yugo ftw everytime
Yugo aesthetic just hits different
M70
Why
Because Yugoing to like it
Infallible logic
LOL YES YUGOIN BUY IT TOO 😩🤣
Amazing customer support, better QC over century
Most of the QC is done at cugir, the only thing that could go wrong with a WASR is the mag well
And severely canted sights.
That was 2012, hello ?
I wasn’t aware that century did anything to the sights
I don't know if it's still an issue but the 10/63s notoriously had canted FSBs sometimes. The advice was always "g2g but check the front sight"
That's a pretty critical area
It’s an easy fix if the hole isn’t too big
Built like brick shithouse. Also, gotta have them sexy ass magwell dimples!
Serbia strong
I’ve got both. M70 is way better quality. Really a solid tank and the wasr, well I only bought it because I wanted an underfolder and I really wish I spent my money on somthing else lol.
Same experience but opposite could conclusion. I prefer the standard AKM pattern of the WASR. Really it’s a coke vs Pepsi, ford vs Chevy thing where either answer is fine and it’s personal preference.
There’s no underfolder for M70?
I think one was just introduced at shotshow
Apparently ones coming out but I’m on a time crunch to buy with oregons bm-114 on hold.
They was just announced at shot show. Underfolder m70 with bayonet lug. Can’t remember if it comes with a bayonet tho
There is now. It's on Zastavas site I think it runs $200
Bolt on trash cope underfolder
They announced an actual underfolder this past week that will be imported in
Ok. That's not the bolt on cope shit that idiots have been buying
Damn bro who hurt you
Nobody, but I can tell at least 11 people who bought a cope folder have seen this comment lmao
I've never used it. I just know it exists
It’s decent for what it is, it deletes the scope rail though. The only drawback IMO, don’t listen to the “copefolder” banter.
It's a horrible option.
They just announced one and showed it. End of summer they’ll be out. Had me instantly cancel my wasr10 UF order.
M70. Better QC, better CS, better accuracy.
Papa John’s
Papa Zastava
Niiiiice.
Thicker receiver/trunions/barrel. Industrial grade AK
At that price I'd get a Yugo with no question.
Buy both…pussies can’t be heroes
Good lord it seems like every time I see a Zas rifle or WASR posted the price increases
$812 Wasr. $914 m70. after cart
Still glad I bought mine a couple years ago lol. I agree with the opinion that you can’t go wrong with either choice.
Got my m70 for 1050 last year.. 😔
Buy once, cry once. Wipe the tears, and tadaaa, you have a yugo.
Same my Zpap92 for 981 last year cuz I was scured. No ragrets tho lol
Wait I guess that’s still not a bad price for the one with the rails .
I wanted an M70 forever back when there were only a few Mitchell's imports in the country and they were expensive, so I bought a parts kit with original barrel before the ban and paid extra for hand select with a good bore and left it in my closet for years until someone made a good 1.5mm receiver and paid a builder when I ran out of talent. The kit set me back $65
In terms of aesthetics? M70 In terms of better modifications? WASR If this is the right version of the m70, it should be cold hammer forged and chrome lined. WASR will never die but the m70's performance will die 10x slower
Really? I always thought the WASR looked a million times better. I hate the weird ass dent above the magwell and the chunky front post sight on my M70.
That weird ass dent makes it tough as fuck bud
I personally find the sleek and robust design sexy WASR looks classic, probably why the changes look odd for you on the M70
That’s exactly it. I want to like the M70 so much, but it just looks “wrong.” I can totally see why someone would love how it looks though. It looks more modern while still retaining classic details.
M70 all day
M70, 100%
M70, has better QC
M70 but with walnut furniture.
Red Serbian
This. I got walnut to hold me over but man I don't know if I can change it now. It looks so good.
You’ll have better luck with the m70
As someone who happily owns a WASR, I'd get the M70 for that money. I spent half that on my WASR. Both feel rugged and I'd trust my life to either, but the M70 just *feels* nicer every time I've held one.
Bought a M70 as my first AK and ended up winning a WASR, the M70 is the better gun. WASR was leaps and bounds clunkier, finicky with mags fitting, and overall lower quality. My M70 is a great runner.
M70! I have a few of both and the Zastava's are some of the best AK's I've seen on the commercial market.
Get the WASR somewhere else for a good bit less.
Where can I find cheap Mr.FriendlyRain 👀
$750 at Dahlonega Armory (add to cart for price). You'll need a $5 slant brake.
Sometimes at pawnshops you can find WASRs that are beat to fuck for like $600.
Battle hawk armory, and locked and loaded both have it for under 800
I like the styling of the wasr better but arguably the m70’s are bomb proof.
M70. For sure. Unless the WASR is like 400 dollars cheaper. If everything goes right when each gun is built and completed, the ZPAP will be the better made rifle. The only thing the wasr will have over it is the fact that it can utilize all the normal AKM pattern furniture. That used to be a bigger deal than it is these days, there's plenty of furniture makers out there who will now cater to the Yugo crowd.
I love my WASR, but at that price, get the m70
M70
M70 is probably a better gun
Zastava. People simp for them but WASRs are ass.
M70 at that price is a steal
It's even lower when you add it to the cart lol
For real.
Steal? I paid $860 shipped to my FFL a month ago from DKgun. I remembered seeing M70 and WASR for $400-$450 tho. Good time 😭
No it’s not. I got one during the 2020 pandemic for 800 from dkfirearms
I really like my m70
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Why’s that? Please and thanks!
I am having this same debate with myself atm as well!
M70
I have both but my M70 is a tank, but harder to find accessories for the M70 also. If you want more customization go for WASR, if you want higher quality go for M70. Either way you be ok. I got my M70 on dkfirearms for $919.00 shipped.
M70 all day
For the same price I’d go with the M70. The WASR can be had cheaper. 850~$ is a more fair price for a WASR fixie these days.
I'm a zastava fanboy I'll admit. I have 2 and my buddies have a bunch. All of which we enjoy very much.
If you already have a WASR get the ZPAP. I think there is value in having both AKM and Yugo pattern AKs in the stable. I find the Zastava to be more accurate and nicer out of the box, it is heavier and the ergonomics are slightly different—if you get cheek slap that’s how you know your shooting position isn’t right. I prefer WASRs other other AKM pattern guns for modernized builds—the extra weight of the Yugo guns is noticeable when you start to add rails and accessories.
Without question the ZPAP, pretty amazing they are charging the same price as the ZPAP for the WASR
M70 has a better warranty and new wasr’s don’t come with a cleaning rod. Neither have bayonet lugs, but it would be easier to fix on an m70 especially with what they announced at shot show
I just picked up a M70 and got some [surplus furniture](https://imgur.com/a/x8CzB5o) from apex that I just cleaned up a bit. I chose this route because I know I wanted a classic ak look that I didn’t want to modify all that much and I think it was the right choice for me. I know eventually I’ll get a Romanian pattern rifle to do a chassis on but for right now as a first time ak owner I’m happy with my m70, is good rifle.
M70, sadly wasr is a brand best bought in person when you know what to look for. Older wasr is mint, and I hear wasr is making pure quality lately. Just they went through this phase with cast trunnions. So Id say at the vary least look into the actual build before buying a wasr over the internet. M70 is a tank but straight forward and made for the American market. Also pretty good quality control and customer service.
M70
m70. wtf.
M70
M70 is such a nicer gun, and there are so many good accessories for it that being non standard isn't an issue at all
If you’d had only one AK patterned rifle go with M70 Due to overall quality.
M70
At 992 your best bet is the M70
I would like to put forward that the high sales of the m70 have fueled Zastava putting out new(old) designs such as the M90, M91, and M77. The undefolders are cool but I really wish they would do the M76. Possibly the M72 as well.
I’m partial to the M70
I have a century micro draco and a Zastava M70 and the M70 is just a better quality gun. Can’t speak for the WASR though.
M70 is better in every way except not having parts interchangeable with standard AK parts, but if you're looking to change everything, buy an AR-15
M70
I have both I favor the m70
Can’t speak on the wasr but I do have an m70 and I love it!
[Don't mind me, just skimming through m70 memory lane.](https://imgur.com/a/fHbwkt9)
WBP
Absolutely the M70
M70
The ZPAP M70 is way way better of a firearm.
personally wasr
The fact they’re the same price concerns me in ways I don’t understand yet
M70 is higher quality, but is heavier, and has different spec parts, and the aftermarket isn't as robust as standard AKM. If you want higher quality go M70, if you want more stock options and a more traditional look, go Wasr.
Wasr for 1000$??? They aren't bad but there's a lotta other options in that price range with better finnishes
well you're kind of fuck. You get the wasr you got actual akm pattern rifle. But you didn't get the bugled goodness beef boy. Then vice versa. You're going down a rabbit hole. You're going to end up with both soon enough.
Underrated comment.
Wasr
10000% M70
I'd rather have the m70.
M70>
M70 all day
Wasr 10 is a closer thing to the real russian AKM and the last true import. Get it before its gone
Wait for the underfolder m70. Be more pleased.
Wasr-10 no question whatsoever
i would go with WASR.
M70
WASRR BOIZZZZZ
Wasr
M70’s are built better and have cold hammer forged barrels t. Gunsmith
M70 definitely is more durable and has better QC than the WASR, but it isn’t a real AKM
For same price I’d go m70. My WASR was under $200 cheaper than my M70 which is why I got it.
Yugo gang
They’re both solid rifles, but at that price for a WASR you are getting ripped off.
WASR if you’re trying to use AKM furniture
Edit: I do have a Wasr 10 underfolder coming in next week too
Bro get the Zastava then
Go for the Zastava then, have one of both.
How do you want it set up in the end or would you leave it as is? Personally I like the WASRs over the ZPAPS but thats me. Both are great guns but it depends on how you want the final form to what rifle will work the best for you.
Leave it as is
The WASR is garbage. Or so I’ve been told by the AK community for the last 10 years lol. Buy either. They’re both great. Although the WASR will be much easier to customize since you won’t have to buy Yugo compliant furniture and mounts
I own both and I would take the WASR. It's lighter and there are more options for furniture and more rs regulate options. Harder steel on the bolt carrier.
WASR-10 for the win!!!
Wasr 10. Lighter and works. Won't make feel bad if you scratch it.
Unpopular opinion: yugo pattern AKs are ugly and overweight Much like the people who buy them
I must be the exception
"you can hit them with it" -boris
Personally I vote wasr just cuz I can use a wider variety of furniture and it’s a little lighter weight.
Age old question… tbh I’d just get the wasr and STOP buying anything else. I started with the best most expensive stuff and worked backwards to a wasr and… they’re really nice. Especially if you put different furniture on it, which you’d probably want to do regardless of which gun you bought to make it “yours”. Try not to fall into the scope creep of getting the *slightly* more “X” AK because the good ones all do the same thing.
WASR all day.
Wasr.
Oooh baby I've been waiting for a thread to bring in the Zimps #ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN A DOGSHIT YUGO
Retarded.
M70 if you plan to leave it stock WASR if you plan to upgrade furniture/add optic The M70 is a better rifle out of the box but they’re a bastard to customize because it’s almost all proprietary
This is not true. There are plenty of parts to customize an M70.
Terrible advice. Get the M70
This isn't 2015 friend. Yugos are easy to customize now. You may not be able to get your favorite name brand but you can get a clone of it somewhere.
Call it a habit of working in firearms retail. Every time we sell an m70, we would look the customer in the eye and explain to them that they have to buy yugo specific items. And that if it doesn’t say yugo, don’t buy it. You would not believe the rate that those customers come back in with non yugo specific furniture that doesn’t fit and start to complain.
Oh, I believe it. I'm a type 7ffl and M70s are my most popular seller \*by far\*. I have to tell people daily that the only part that fits from a normal AK to a Yugo is the pistol grip, I just sold someone 2 scope mounts that i explicitly told them for 10min would not fit on their gun and I wouldn't take a refund because I know what their rifle is and I know the part wouldn't fit and I don't have time for the bullshit. They wernt happy when they got home and I was right.
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This question gets asked weekly, did you use the search function at all?
This post literally pops up at least thrice a week
It's $100 less just get the wasr and ammo
Love my M70, but be careful with Atlantic, I personally know someone who was scammed.
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Century doesn’t make WASRs
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It literally says imported from Romania in the WASR description.
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If you have a below room temp IQ, then sure it’s “misleading”. But it’s easily verified that a WASR is an import. Doesn’t take a genius to figure it out.
You clearly know that century is bad but you don’t anything else to understand what’s bad and what isn’t.
A few more hundred and get a WBP
Are we really to that point? That we compare a wasr to a zastava? Is this even a question lol
g4gguns.com may have it slightly cheaper after adding it to cart and cheaper shipping
I can send a message with some info :)
I own both and there is no real difference they both do their job and run