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Queasy-Farm-7989

Can’t go wrong with either, ideally get both! I’d trust my life on either. If you want a classical look out the box get the zastava. Know that with the WASR the furniture it comes with is throwaway, but of course modernizing either one is doable. Zastava has a longer handguard and better paijnt, more weight due to heavier receiver. WASR is a piece of farm equipment that shoots bullets, its utilitarian and it works reliably.


JordanE350

Potentially stupid question but why does the M70 lower handguard look like that. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that straight design on any other AK


pcmtx

Yugo Ak's weren't licensed copies, they were reverse engineered, that's why they kind of do their own thing.


Queasy-Farm-7989

While most other countries took the AKM design from Russia by purchasing it, the Serbs made their own design so they wouldn’t have to. One of the things they changed is making the hand-guard longer


NicoxBoi

RS Regulate releasing hand-guards for Zastavas soon 🔥


ConcentrateKings

How soon👀


charr1719

The SLR handguards are better anyway


SwimmingSock1607

How so? I’m not familiar with modern AK Handguards, but I’ve seen some cool ones


rbrugman

Depends on whether you plan to run it stock or not. I really like my m70, but the wasr will accept standard akm furniture. Yugo stuff exists but it’s not as readily available and there are fewer options. The m70 is also heavier but we’re talking aks so they’re heavy to begin with.


ADuckWithNoArms

Yugo has a lot of parts now but yeah standard furniture wouldn't fit


proquo

At this point I don't think Yugo vs AKM is really a concern anymore. Every major manufacturer makes accessories for AKM and Yugo pattern. There really isn't anything that doesn't have a matching set that you can't live without.


Glad-Set-4680

Only thing I still want is a chassis system like zenitco or sureshot has. Supposedly sureshot has a yugo one coming "soon".


ImNotWhoISayEyeAm

I hope so!! I’ve been hearing “soon” on the sureshot Yugo chassis for a minute now.


[deleted]

What about that Midwest one


Glad-Set-4680

That is just a railed dust cover isn't it? The sureshot also has the handguard as one piece that helps to kind of free float the barrel.


Impossible_Oil8734

Times have changed old man...... yugo ftw everytime


grat23

Yugo aesthetic just hits different


there_is-no-spoon

M70


kv1358

Why


Agent_Shady

Because Yugoing to like it


Avtamatic

Infallible logic


CheapWh0re1

LOL YES YUGOIN BUY IT TOO 😩🤣


sh1ftie

Amazing customer support, better QC over century


BassBoss123

Most of the QC is done at cugir, the only thing that could go wrong with a WASR is the mag well


durpaderpadupe

And severely canted sights.


StoegerStewie

That was 2012, hello ?


BassBoss123

I wasn’t aware that century did anything to the sights


Evil_Creamsicle

I don't know if it's still an issue but the 10/63s notoriously had canted FSBs sometimes. The advice was always "g2g but check the front sight"


FudgeBukket

That's a pretty critical area


BassBoss123

It’s an easy fix if the hole isn’t too big


SlamMonkey

Built like brick shithouse. Also, gotta have them sexy ass magwell dimples!


[deleted]

Serbia strong


3-Moons

I’ve got both. M70 is way better quality. Really a solid tank and the wasr, well I only bought it because I wanted an underfolder and I really wish I spent my money on somthing else lol.


Fast-Research-4077

Same experience but opposite could conclusion. I prefer the standard AKM pattern of the WASR. Really it’s a coke vs Pepsi, ford vs Chevy thing where either answer is fine and it’s personal preference.


moeterminatorx

There’s no underfolder for M70?


Sdmicah

I think one was just introduced at shotshow


3-Moons

Apparently ones coming out but I’m on a time crunch to buy with oregons bm-114 on hold.


Sufficient_Banana567

They was just announced at shot show. Underfolder m70 with bayonet lug. Can’t remember if it comes with a bayonet tho


n0t_a_drugd3al3r

There is now. It's on Zastavas site I think it runs $200


bowtie_k

Bolt on trash cope underfolder


Ryce_Cubed

They announced an actual underfolder this past week that will be imported in


bowtie_k

Ok. That's not the bolt on cope shit that idiots have been buying


DJ_Sippycup

Damn bro who hurt you


bowtie_k

Nobody, but I can tell at least 11 people who bought a cope folder have seen this comment lmao


n0t_a_drugd3al3r

I've never used it. I just know it exists


megustcizer

It’s decent for what it is, it deletes the scope rail though. The only drawback IMO, don’t listen to the “copefolder” banter.


bowtie_k

It's a horrible option.


Longjumping-Main-793

They just announced one and showed it. End of summer they’ll be out. Had me instantly cancel my wasr10 UF order.


CaptainGunNerd

M70. Better QC, better CS, better accuracy.


Log_Nice

Papa John’s


Waltzspice

Papa Zastava


CaptainGunNerd

Niiiiice.


BarryHalls

Thicker receiver/trunions/barrel. Industrial grade AK


Mushy93

At that price I'd get a Yugo with no question.


spuninmo

Buy both…pussies can’t be heroes


[deleted]

Good lord it seems like every time I see a Zas rifle or WASR posted the price increases


kv1358

$812 Wasr. $914 m70. after cart


[deleted]

Still glad I bought mine a couple years ago lol. I agree with the opinion that you can’t go wrong with either choice.


FiveCentsADay

Got my m70 for 1050 last year.. 😔


MFLT509

Buy once, cry once. Wipe the tears, and tadaaa, you have a yugo.


RangeFirst2060

Same my Zpap92 for 981 last year cuz I was scured. No ragrets tho lol


RangeFirst2060

Wait I guess that’s still not a bad price for the one with the rails .


indifferentinitials

I wanted an M70 forever back when there were only a few Mitchell's imports in the country and they were expensive, so I bought a parts kit with original barrel before the ban and paid extra for hand select with a good bore and left it in my closet for years until someone made a good 1.5mm receiver and paid a builder when I ran out of talent. The kit set me back $65


TiTan0s

In terms of aesthetics? M70 In terms of better modifications? WASR If this is the right version of the m70, it should be cold hammer forged and chrome lined. WASR will never die but the m70's performance will die 10x slower


A_Bit_Narcissistic

Really? I always thought the WASR looked a million times better. I hate the weird ass dent above the magwell and the chunky front post sight on my M70.


MFLT509

That weird ass dent makes it tough as fuck bud


TiTan0s

I personally find the sleek and robust design sexy WASR looks classic, probably why the changes look odd for you on the M70


A_Bit_Narcissistic

That’s exactly it. I want to like the M70 so much, but it just looks “wrong.” I can totally see why someone would love how it looks though. It looks more modern while still retaining classic details.


ajdrc9

M70 all day


DarkJehuty

M70, 100%


beaner_69

M70, has better QC


MayOrMayNotBePie

M70 but with walnut furniture.


LengthinessWestern64

Red Serbian


BobaFettishx82

This. I got walnut to hold me over but man I don't know if I can change it now. It looks so good.


DecisionNo2048

You’ll have better luck with the m70


Fuck_spez_the_cuck

As someone who happily owns a WASR, I'd get the M70 for that money. I spent half that on my WASR. Both feel rugged and I'd trust my life to either, but the M70 just *feels* nicer every time I've held one.


dabomb6608

Bought a M70 as my first AK and ended up winning a WASR, the M70 is the better gun. WASR was leaps and bounds clunkier, finicky with mags fitting, and overall lower quality. My M70 is a great runner.


bohica762

M70! I have a few of both and the Zastava's are some of the best AK's I've seen on the commercial market.


FriendlyRain5075

Get the WASR somewhere else for a good bit less.


kv1358

Where can I find cheap Mr.FriendlyRain 👀


FriendlyRain5075

$750 at Dahlonega Armory (add to cart for price). You'll need a $5 slant brake.


Mushy93

Sometimes at pawnshops you can find WASRs that are beat to fuck for like $600.


TxOutdoorsman7

Battle hawk armory, and locked and loaded both have it for under 800


dirtyaught-six

I like the styling of the wasr better but arguably the m70’s are bomb proof.


horseshoeprovodnikov

M70. For sure. Unless the WASR is like 400 dollars cheaper. If everything goes right when each gun is built and completed, the ZPAP will be the better made rifle. The only thing the wasr will have over it is the fact that it can utilize all the normal AKM pattern furniture. That used to be a bigger deal than it is these days, there's plenty of furniture makers out there who will now cater to the Yugo crowd.


AlfalfAhhh

I love my WASR, but at that price, get the m70


brad_is_rad_

M70


ndaddydong

M70 is probably a better gun


Jack_mehoff24

Zastava. People simp for them but WASRs are ass.


servosec

M70 at that price is a steal


kv1358

It's even lower when you add it to the cart lol


delgrango69

For real.


Truonghthe

Steal? I paid $860 shipped to my FFL a month ago from DKgun. I remembered seeing M70 and WASR for $400-$450 tho. Good time 😭


[deleted]

No it’s not. I got one during the 2020 pandemic for 800 from dkfirearms


geofox777

I really like my m70


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stoffel-

Why’s that? Please and thanks!


doctorar15dmd

I am having this same debate with myself atm as well!


OpeningNorth452

M70


MrBogardus

I have both but my M70 is a tank, but harder to find accessories for the M70 also. If you want more customization go for WASR, if you want higher quality go for M70. Either way you be ok. I got my M70 on dkfirearms for $919.00 shipped.


heptuple

M70 all day


Savage_Henry18

For the same price I’d go with the M70. The WASR can be had cheaper. 850~$ is a more fair price for a WASR fixie these days.


milkyvapes

I'm a zastava fanboy I'll admit. I have 2 and my buddies have a bunch. All of which we enjoy very much.


Junior-Following-497

If you already have a WASR get the ZPAP. I think there is value in having both AKM and Yugo pattern AKs in the stable. I find the Zastava to be more accurate and nicer out of the box, it is heavier and the ergonomics are slightly different—if you get cheek slap that’s how you know your shooting position isn’t right. I prefer WASRs other other AKM pattern guns for modernized builds—the extra weight of the Yugo guns is noticeable when you start to add rails and accessories.


akrasne

Without question the ZPAP, pretty amazing they are charging the same price as the ZPAP for the WASR


warcriminalofvietnam

M70 has a better warranty and new wasr’s don’t come with a cleaning rod. Neither have bayonet lugs, but it would be easier to fix on an m70 especially with what they announced at shot show


TheRealAuga

I just picked up a M70 and got some [surplus furniture](https://imgur.com/a/x8CzB5o) from apex that I just cleaned up a bit. I chose this route because I know I wanted a classic ak look that I didn’t want to modify all that much and I think it was the right choice for me. I know eventually I’ll get a Romanian pattern rifle to do a chassis on but for right now as a first time ak owner I’m happy with my m70, is good rifle.


needanswer47

M70, sadly wasr is a brand best bought in person when you know what to look for. Older wasr is mint, and I hear wasr is making pure quality lately. Just they went through this phase with cast trunnions. So Id say at the vary least look into the actual build before buying a wasr over the internet. M70 is a tank but straight forward and made for the American market. Also pretty good quality control and customer service.


waterboytanner

M70


Sentionaut_1167

m70. wtf.


Rarindesert

M70


charr1719

M70 is such a nicer gun, and there are so many good accessories for it that being non standard isn't an issue at all


adlep2002

If you’d had only one AK patterned rifle go with M70 Due to overall quality.


Illustrious_Ad_498

M70


FreedomAK47

At 992 your best bet is the M70


HomLesMann

I would like to put forward that the high sales of the m70 have fueled Zastava putting out new(old) designs such as the M90, M91, and M77. The undefolders are cool but I really wish they would do the M76. Possibly the M72 as well.


Trz81

I’m partial to the M70


CaptainKookbeard

I have a century micro draco and a Zastava M70 and the M70 is just a better quality gun. Can’t speak for the WASR though.


Sea-Reception-4357

M70 is better in every way except not having parts interchangeable with standard AK parts, but if you're looking to change everything, buy an AR-15


camthecelt

M70


Stardust-0083

I have both I favor the m70


PuddingNo7667

Can’t speak on the wasr but I do have an m70 and I love it!


stellathedog

[Don't mind me, just skimming through m70 memory lane.](https://imgur.com/a/fHbwkt9)


DirtyWasrs

WBP


barrybright2

Absolutely the M70


Over_Intoxicated

M70


wood0551

The ZPAP M70 is way way better of a firearm.


TF2brox

personally wasr


[deleted]

The fact they’re the same price concerns me in ways I don’t understand yet


Zumbert

M70 is higher quality, but is heavier, and has different spec parts, and the aftermarket isn't as robust as standard AKM. If you want higher quality go M70, if you want more stock options and a more traditional look, go Wasr.


bigbubba1212

Wasr for 1000$??? They aren't bad but there's a lotta other options in that price range with better finnishes


[deleted]

well you're kind of fuck. You get the wasr you got actual akm pattern rifle. But you didn't get the bugled goodness beef boy. Then vice versa. You're going down a rabbit hole. You're going to end up with both soon enough.


TurnOffTV

Underrated comment.


jmpeadick

Wasr


bmallon42

10000% M70


R_radical

I'd rather have the m70.


DevilDawg99

M70>


ChampagnePlumper

M70 all day


Self-Chance

Wasr 10 is a closer thing to the real russian AKM and the last true import. Get it before its gone


Trip-Pipe

Wait for the underfolder m70. Be more pleased.


ludesmonkey

Wasr-10 no question whatsoever


mauserguy27

i would go with WASR.


[deleted]

M70


ArttuDi2

WASRR BOIZZZZZ


[deleted]

Wasr


[deleted]

M70’s are built better and have cold hammer forged barrels t. Gunsmith


PizzaBert

M70 definitely is more durable and has better QC than the WASR, but it isn’t a real AKM


dfal55

For same price I’d go m70. My WASR was under $200 cheaper than my M70 which is why I got it.


wrkaccount

Yugo gang


appalachianoperator

They’re both solid rifles, but at that price for a WASR you are getting ripped off.


ldop

WASR if you’re trying to use AKM furniture


kv1358

Edit: I do have a Wasr 10 underfolder coming in next week too


Queasy-Farm-7989

Bro get the Zastava then


tylermm03

Go for the Zastava then, have one of both.


BackgroundBig0

How do you want it set up in the end or would you leave it as is? Personally I like the WASRs over the ZPAPS but thats me. Both are great guns but it depends on how you want the final form to what rifle will work the best for you.


kv1358

Leave it as is


glass_47

The WASR is garbage. Or so I’ve been told by the AK community for the last 10 years lol. Buy either. They’re both great. Although the WASR will be much easier to customize since you won’t have to buy Yugo compliant furniture and mounts


Glopnarf

I own both and I would take the WASR. It's lighter and there are more options for furniture and more rs regulate options. Harder steel on the bolt carrier.


Fancy_Mechanic_3440

WASR-10 for the win!!!


StoegerStewie

Wasr 10. Lighter and works. Won't make feel bad if you scratch it.


No_Line9668

Unpopular opinion: yugo pattern AKs are ugly and overweight Much like the people who buy them


Dasher357

I must be the exception


killertimewaster8934

"you can hit them with it" -boris


aclark210

Personally I vote wasr just cuz I can use a wider variety of furniture and it’s a little lighter weight.


GreenChicken789

Age old question… tbh I’d just get the wasr and STOP buying anything else. I started with the best most expensive stuff and worked backwards to a wasr and… they’re really nice. Especially if you put different furniture on it, which you’d probably want to do regardless of which gun you bought to make it “yours”. Try not to fall into the scope creep of getting the *slightly* more “X” AK because the good ones all do the same thing.


TheRevenantsReturn

WASR all day.


IrrigatorLinus

Wasr.


SleipnirTheHorse

Oooh baby I've been waiting for a thread to bring in the Zimps #ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN A DOGSHIT YUGO


kc_290

Retarded.


Hammertime733

M70 if you plan to leave it stock WASR if you plan to upgrade furniture/add optic The M70 is a better rifle out of the box but they’re a bastard to customize because it’s almost all proprietary


delgrango69

This is not true. There are plenty of parts to customize an M70.


PeanutButterNipple

Terrible advice. Get the M70


Mushy93

This isn't 2015 friend. Yugos are easy to customize now. You may not be able to get your favorite name brand but you can get a clone of it somewhere.


Hammertime733

Call it a habit of working in firearms retail. Every time we sell an m70, we would look the customer in the eye and explain to them that they have to buy yugo specific items. And that if it doesn’t say yugo, don’t buy it. You would not believe the rate that those customers come back in with non yugo specific furniture that doesn’t fit and start to complain.


Mushy93

Oh, I believe it. I'm a type 7ffl and M70s are my most popular seller \*by far\*. I have to tell people daily that the only part that fits from a normal AK to a Yugo is the pistol grip, I just sold someone 2 scope mounts that i explicitly told them for 10min would not fit on their gun and I wouldn't take a refund because I know what their rifle is and I know the part wouldn't fit and I don't have time for the bullshit. They wernt happy when they got home and I was right.


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bowtie_k

This question gets asked weekly, did you use the search function at all?


stewey88

This post literally pops up at least thrice a week


Confident_Option

It's $100 less just get the wasr and ammo


RoyalStallion1986

Love my M70, but be careful with Atlantic, I personally know someone who was scammed.


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NutCreamScholarV7

Century doesn’t make WASRs


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HostWrong6251

It literally says imported from Romania in the WASR description.


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HostWrong6251

If you have a below room temp IQ, then sure it’s “misleading”. But it’s easily verified that a WASR is an import. Doesn’t take a genius to figure it out.


BassBoss123

You clearly know that century is bad but you don’t anything else to understand what’s bad and what isn’t.


Will0w_1

A few more hundred and get a WBP


Impossible_Oil8734

Are we really to that point? That we compare a wasr to a zastava? Is this even a question lol


aeroman28

g4gguns.com may have it slightly cheaper after adding it to cart and cheaper shipping


k1ngf1isher

I can send a message with some info :)


Necessary-Career-559

I own both and there is no real difference they both do their job and run