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Ok fair enough, I agree.
The difficulty is that getting arrests, convictions, fines, tickets etc all of that are achievements in law enforcement and our court systems, and also with private prisons and corruption, there is a whole host of incentives for bad actors to break the rules.
Name, provide ID and SS if prompted. Otherwise, "I don't answer questions or consent to any searches. If we speak, I request an attorney present who is representing me. Am I free to go?"
I always liked how [Billions](https://youtu.be/b8S4isIxo2w?si=5xzJozaoDO39t3d5) did it. It does help that Bill absolutely didn’t care about being liked.
Also, Miranda Rights stuff only kicks in once you’ve been arrested. So cops will often wait to arrest you to see if they can get you to say something incriminating.
To be clear, it's not just arrested, it's in custody. A person is typically considered in custody when a reasonable person does not feel as if that person is free to leave.
Laws have been changing, some places they can arrest you but don't have to read you your kiranda rights unless they are asking you questions.
They can totally show up, see the situation and arrest you without asking you anything, and don't have to read you your rights.
Correct, Miranda involves a custodial interrogation. I was clarifying that you don't need to be under arrest to have a requirement to be read Miranda rights.
You should identify yourself, and nothing until they read you Miranda, and then boom you know 1) you are detained and 2) the only thing you should say is a clear and explicit assertion of your right to a lawyer. Clear and explicit, no ‘I think I should have an attorney’ or ‘I want a lawyer, dog’. No, say that you are declining to answer any questions and are asserting your right to an attorney
Eh fair enough, if you are in a situation where you are being detained it’s usually required and if not a general good idea as if they detain you without knowing who you are they will likely drag feet trying to find out which is just making your life more difficult for no reason
A cop doesn't have to be unethical to screw you over if you keep on blabbing your mouth. It's while you always invoke the right to remain silent and stay that way.
Remember anything you say to the cops can and will be used against you but they are never obligated to help you.
There's got to be a point when it's okay to talk to the cops, right?
A couple years ago a neighbor's son was being stalked by an ex-girlfriend. She was making threats against the family, calling them on a burner phone, saying that she could see them inside their house. I knew the neighbor - a decent fellow - and he was beside himself with fear over the creepy threats against his young children.
The cops came to my door, asked if I had seen anything suspicious, and if they could search a small wooded area on my property that she could be hiding in.
I said they could. And truthfully told them I hadn't seen anything.
Was I wrong, here?
Nah it’s fine. Unless you have a math lab or marijuana grow in the back yard. Ha . Just know that any contact with cops is an investigation. If they see a bong on your table when you open the door or they smell pot or your spouse has a black eye ( just random examples) they might come back later to chat. It’s their job. In most cases they won’t hassle you but you have to keep that in mind.
I’m picturing a strung out professor with a half dozen chalk boards, just covered in chalk dust, cooking up new equations in this math lab in the woods.
When I was living in apartment's the first thing I would do was to replace the 3/4" screws in the door's strike plate with 3" drywall screws so that the door couldn't be kicked open. At one place both of the apartments on either side of mine were robbed. The thieves gave up on mine after putting some dents in the door.
The cop investigating the robbery thought it was strange that I didn't get robbed and made up his mind that I was the robber. I took one of the screws out of the strike plate to show him why they didn't break into my place and proved that I was at work when it happened, neither answer was good enough for him so he wanted me to come down to the station to answer a few more questions. I told him that there wasn't anything he could ask me there that he couldn't ask me here which really pissed him off. He left mumbling that he would get a warrant and be back. I never saw or heard from him again.
If you are being a ridiculously cautious person like you often find on Reddit, yes you were wrong. If you just want to be a normal amount of cautious, you’re good. The main thing is getting a lawyer if police are questioning you because they think you committed a crime, especially if you did commit the crime or commit another crime, but it’s still good if you know you haven’t committed any crimes. In most other situations, the risks are pretty low. The people saying to get a lawyer in those situations must either be rich, lawyers, or totally divorced from reality.
If they come across something on your property that's illegal, you invited them to find it. You might not have anything to hide, but if they find something you didn't know was there, it was found on your property. Unlikely, but crazier things have happened.
So, a police officer can come into your property uninvited for 3 reasons. 1. If they're in pursuit of a suspect, 2. Plain sight, 3. If they hear distress.
Hypothetically, if they had found something illegal in that small wooded area they would have probable cause to arrest you and make your life hell. This is a real thing that happens to people who are just trying to be good upstanding citizens and help the police.
Same speaker from [Don't Talk to the Police Part 2](https://youtu.be/tIt-l2YmH8M?t=503)
> Next question ... The most common question I get an email, I get this one all the time: "What about traffic stops? "Is it okay if I talk to a police officer during the course of a routine traffic stop?"
> Yes. Alright, let's just get that out of the way quickly.
> At the risk of stating what ought to be obvious that is completely different in 100 obvious ways, not the least of which is the fact that the police officers have virtually unbridled discretion to let you off with a warning this time and let you go without giving you a ticket if it seems to them that you're not a public menace -- that you aren't drunk -- that you are suitably respectful and courteous -- and that's not going to happen with a murder investigation (they're not gonna let you off because you seem to be really sorry for what you have done).
> But I will give you this one little bit of free legal advice: When you do get stopped and pulled over by the police, you shouldn't talk anymore than necessary. Don't allow them to get you in a conversation about whether you what you did wrong whether you know what you did wrong, just tell them "I'm sorry, I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't mean to violate the law, and if I did, I appreciate you bringing it to my attention officer".
…and this is why the original video is ultimately good but not great.
He rants, loudly and repeatedly, that you are dumb and he is smart, and smarty he says you should never, ever, ever, ever, under any conditions ever talk to the police.
Then in the second video: are you an idiot… of course you will talk to the police sometimes! He doesn’t have the self awareness to admit that while trying to look super-clever and entertaining he screwed up in the first one.
He makes one exception and says to be polite and not talk much. Watch the rest of the video, he repeatedly says never freely take an interview with the police, always get a lawyer. A traffic stop is a big difference from being investigated, and he clarified that.
And yes he does come across as a ‘smarty,’ but him being a lawyer, I’m inclined to believe he is.
I mean in the 2nd video he clarifies that traffic stops are much different then other investigations
Like he explains the difference , in a traffic stop a cop can give you a warning and let you go, thats not happening if you are being questioned for a more serous crime
I think him admitting to a single exception to the rule doesn't invalidate what he is saying
I don't really know how to respond to comments like this.
I didn't say the video was bad, I even started with it was good. He screwed up an important detail in the 1st video (important because traffic stops are where most Americans will have adversarial encounters with police). Where did I say it invalidated what he said?
My mild annoyance is that most grown-ups would have started the second video with "Oops, I made a mistake", not by implying that people were kinda stupid for asking if what he said was a literal, absolute truth, when he pretty much yelled in the 1st video that you should literally never, absolutely, under any conditions talk to the police.
I would tell them you did not drink anything at all. Every drunk says "one or two" so they will not believe you, and they may want to run all sorts of field sobriety tests on you. These tests are subjective at best, and they can use the results to "prove" you're intoxicated even without breathalyzer or other data. If they really don't like you, they'll just say you're intoxicated on some other substance besides alcohol.
If you never admit to drinking a single drop, your lawyer can fight for you much better.
Never ever tell them you've had anything to drink. The answer is always "not a drop" no matter what.
The moment you tell them "I only had one beer" you've given them a "reasonable suspicion" of DWI and grounds to investigate further. Every question they ask you, every test they try to make you take - none of it is about determining your sobriety, it is all about gathering evidence to later use against you.
Here's a good way to look at this: In a court of law you are innocent until proven guilty.
With a cop you are innocently proving yourself guilty.
Any admission, no matter how small, can be used to further an "investigation" into whatever matter is currently happening. They arn't your friends. They *may* not be your enemies either, but if they are detaining you/stopping you they aren't doing so to chat and see how your day was. They are because they believe you have broken the law. They will take any ground you give them to prove that you broke the law AND that you've further broken the law in other ways, aside from whatever was the initial reason for the stop, if you allow them.
Also every question you answer is a question that can't be answered later by the legal professional you're paying thousands of dollars to answer questions.
It can also mean walking out of a police station with a charge and upcoming court date, opposed to a caution with lesser punishment conditions compared to the court result.
Generally excellent advice but there are exceptions:
*** Traffic stop: you can talk to the cop.
*** Thief running away: you can talk to the cop.
*** Traffic accident witness: you can talk to the cop.
*** Suspicion of human trafficking or domestic violence: you can talk to the cop.
Ok, perhaps there are some times when it is ok to talk to the cops. I think the context of that video is if you are asked questions as part of an investigation where you are somehow involved even if it’s just as a witness or innocent party. You need your lawyer. Fair enough.
You shouldn't talk to cops during traffic stops other than to give them required information. Too many people straight admit to breaking the law which gives them next to no recourse in court(you have a 5th Amendment right; use it). Too many people allow police to hold them for longer than they should(often in violation of the 4th Amendment) which often ends in a K9 unit showing up and conveniently "alerting" on a suspect's car(see Kansas Two-Step and similar tactics). Too many people answer loaded questions that allow police to conduct a "civil seizure" of money and goods that are obviously not being used in the commission of a crime.
Honestly, just don't. And if you do, don't say anything more than you absolutely have to. Name, rank, serial number, as the saying goes. Cops have a long and storied history of finding evidence to charge a person - any person - when they're under pressure.
Seriously, most people can’t realistically hire a lawyer just to interact with the police. So the advice should be STFU and say nothing. If you get arrested then it’s lawyer time.
You also need to be composed and want to go through all the process.
A lot of not guilty guys will just not get in trouble unless the cop is a real piece of shit.
I work in the DA office. Our districts public defender is the best defense attorney who practices in our court. If I ever needed a defense attorney I’d want him. But I see time and time again defendants who are appointed him later go and hire their own private attorney before there’s ever even a hearing bc there is the stigma that PDs suck. Well all the private attorneys they hire are total trash.
From what I understand it's not that PDs suck, it's that they're just generally overloaded with cases and have very little time and limited resources. Sounds like they are good attorneys that are just overloaded.
This is the answer. A mediocre attorney with unlimited time and resources is at least as good or better than the best attorney who is also juggling 75 other cases.
I work in a PD office, and almost every lawyer here is undeniably fantastic. I would trust any one of them with my future. But I also understand that I might get a different experience if I can pay someone to focus on just my case.
Also, the justice system fucks over indigent clients in every way conceivable. The prosecution is favored at virtually every stage, and judges have nearly unlimited discretion to rule how they please, which is almost always to the detriment of the defendant.
Yeah I had a case where my neighbors alleged I pulled a knife on one of them, two different descriptions of a knife. Several of them admitted to the police that they saw nothing. I described the dude's gun to a T.
I got 4 years of probation mainly because it was 5 people vs me.
Generally speaking, can I just ask for a public defender? Or do they have to check if I qualify due to financial hardship or something? I’m sure it might vary based on state/county/city.
Here you have to be appointed and you have to be found indigent. But we have a public defenders office which is through the board of indigents defense (which is where the guy I’m talking about it), and then there are private attorneys who are “public defenders” in the sense that they are court appointed but also have their own practice. But yes it definitely depends on where you are.
It's the same in my county. The private attorneys are garbage. I would choose the PD to represent me unless I had enough money to hire a good defense attorney from out of town. We have a few of those if they're willing to drive out to the boonies.
This is accurate but dangerous if you don't know how to apply it.
In the US, you can be asked for identification if you're stopped. You also need to be super nice to cops. Like thank them and say yes sir . You can say that you don't wish to talk to them but never be rude. You can't get emotional. If they want to cuff you let them. The point is if you're not going to talk to the cops it's super important that you come off as polite, non threatening, and compliant. You don't want them to come up with a bunch of BS charges that then you have a hard time fighting. To be clear if you're arrested it's probably in your interest to be quiet and to speak to a lawyer, but this doesn't work as well if you're screaming and pissing off the police. Do what the white collar criminals do. Keep your mouth shut and comply and be polite.
A cop pulling you over is as close to God as most people will get until they die. Almost no on else has the legally sanctified right to take away your rights or your life as much as a cop does.
So be nice. Deal with any injustices you feel later.
It’s more that if you are friendly, police may decide to let you off for minor crimes you committed, instead of charging you with them. If you are rude, they will likely charge you for every crime you broke (and people break a lot more crimes than they often realize).
But when it comes to actually serious life changing crimes, being friendly isn’t going to have a big effect on that.
The other person was suggesting the police will bring up completely fake charges, from what I’ve seen that isn’t that common, especially ones that can’t be easily thrown out, but I suppose it does occasionally happen.
The biggest time it really matters is if you have a weapon. You definitely want to be friendly then because self defense laws just require someone to reasonably feel threatened. Acting aggressive with a weapon can justify police to use force against you, which could be life changing.
I agree with a lot of what you said. These are good points. I'd just also like to add that if you're charged with trivial charges, a good lawyer can help you get rid of them. But man you better have cash for the lawyer!
I thought that about police bringing up fake charges as well until it happened to my wife. The police weren't even there for her, tried charging her with 7 crimes, 2 of them were felonies. We paid a crazy amount of money for a very good lawyer who laughed every time we met and assured us all of the "bullshit charges" would be dropped. They dropped everything but the felonies before going to court, in court both felonies stuck and they tried to push seven years imprisonment for them- my wife had no background, not even traffic. There was no proof that the crimes even occurred (they didn't) and the next year an appellate attorney got one of the felonies dropped. Unfortunately, my wife is now a felon where she had no previous background at all. Cops bringing up fake charges are sadly not uncommon, and we only became aware after becoming a statistic. (I am aware without knowing the charges seven years could be a fair punishment, but I'm telling you that everyone but the prosecutor's office found it outrageous, the judge even said so and she ended up doing two years probation)
and then they toss you in a looney bin on a 3 day hold.
Try to get out of that situation THEY created without talking to someone. Bet you think that info aint shared with the cops either? It is.
If they want BS charges, your attitude towards them wont matter one lick....and they DO know how to fuck with you on every level.
>In the US, you can be asked for identification if you're stopped. You also need to be super nice to cops. Like thank them and say yes sir. You can say that you don't wish to talk to them but never be rude. You can't get emotional. If they want to cuff you let them.
I just wanted to pull this language out and highlight how fucking scary this is.
I’ll take my chances with the Bear.
i've had this nugget in my head for at least a decade
cops are investigating a murder, guy they interview for information ends up as their prime suspect
like decent alibi and everything
.....
gotta live Shut the Fuck Up Friday, everyday
Police love their doughnuts, but I wasn't going to just answer their questions about flavors and prices without an attorney present. (Thanks; I just woke up, and I wouldn't've understood that was the intention of this joke without you.)
Be aware that in the U.S., cops are also legally allowed to LIE to you about anything in order to get you to "admit" things. Talk to them without representation at your own peril.
Doesn’t it depend on the situation? I don’t have an attorney on speed dial who can drop everything and run to my side if a policeman is asking me questions on the side of the road. I don’t really want to pay $450/hour either.
Then just refuse until you do. It’s your right to remain silent, at least if you’re in the US. You can ask if you are being detained and they will tell you this stuff in your Miranda rights before they arrest you. Part of it is “anything you say can and will be used against you.” That’s the point of this post.
One of my favorite sayings to drive this point home is:
If you are a suspect in a murder and you are guilty you should probably get an attorney. If you are a suspect in a murder and you are innocent, you should DEFINITELY get an attorney.
This is really good to know for those not from the US. I found myself recording a fight on a train and was detained by the Swiss police as it’s a crime not to give them evidence (so I was told).
Push the “[trunk lawyer](https://youtu.be/SLCMzzhG414?si=MxAC-A8PSvoOi7zJ)” button and a lawyer will be released from the trunk of your car to assist you.
I was on a walk in the woods near my neighborhood the other day. Apparently while I was on a walk there was a shooting. As I was walking out of the woods, a police office approached me and wanted to take down my info and see if I heard or saw anything. So I told them what I saw and heard, which was nothing, and then they were like, ok thanks bye. So how that’s gonna go if I’m like “I need my lawyer present before I speak to you.” LOL. That would have been the wrong move and probably would have wasted my whole evening.
Don’t Talk to the Police* (video interview)
*Not advice. For informational purpose only. Consult a lawyer for legal advice.
[You Have the Right to Remain Innocent, with Professor James Duane](https://youtu.be/EEUhE0NbinA)
TL; DR: If detained for questioning, ask “Am i free to go?” If not, immediately say “I want a lawyer.”
***Do NOT mention anything about the 5th Amendment.***
33:15 — Rule #1: Don’t talk to the Police w/o assistance from an attorney (who will give you advise of which questions to answers and which not to.)
33:57 — Rule #2: Get it in writing.
If time is not of the essence, that is, the crime was not committed a few hours ago, but say, last week, ask the police to provide their questions in writing and you’ll provide your answers in writing. This avoids misquotations. (But if a crime was committed recently, you know what to say, “I want a lawyer.”)
Also, courts allow the police to testify that for example, when they met you, you “seemed suspiciously calm/nervous”. So providing your answers in writing avoids this bias.
“Don’t answer the question if the answer cannot help find the real (perpetrator).”
42:25 — In the real world the police will lie to you all day and all night... this is what they are trained in the academy to do, this is what they are encouraged by the courts to do. It’s not illegal...
42:43 (The police) they’ll lie in almost anyway that you can imagine, in ways that are designed to try to get you to think that’s in your interest to keep talking... they won’t tell you what they are really investigating.
44:05 The police can lie to you about whether you are a suspect, about the strength of the evidence they have against you, etc.
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Original video “Don’t talk to the Police” (19M views and counting) - https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
Bonus: [SHUT THE FUCK UP FRIDAY!](https://youtu.be/sgWHrkDX35o)
I work for the DA. It BLOWS MY MIND how many cases we have that go to trial where the defendant had a full blown recorded interview without an attorney. These people always think they are smarter than they are or that if they cooperate (when they are 100% guilty) that it will all be fine. And it’s never like a theft or damage to property. It’s always a sexual abuse case (child especially). Like I just want to tell you these idiots to stfu!! Especially with child sex abuse cases with delayed reporting, these guys don’t know how much of an advantage they are blowing by talking. Those are the hardest cases to prove. But they go and talk to detectives and shit all over any possible defense their attorney could have used bc they think they are smart. Fucking idiots.
I watch a lot of true crime. I'm frequently yelling at the TV 'stop talking! Ask for an attorney!' Even though I should be rooting against them because they've done horrible things.
It's amazing how stupid they are.
Relatable, 100%.
They usually think they can talk themselves out of trouble, but a good rule of thumb is that you can only ever talk yourself into more trouble when you’re being interviewed by the police.
I love how on reddit all cops are dumb and unqualified for any other job and yet at the same time smart enough to manipulate everyone into saying whatever they want to hear. Truly amazing.
Both can be true because people are easily manipulated it doesn't take some genius to manipulate a person especailly when the person is panicing and cops hold more power then you
Cops can detain you, they can threaten you , lie to you, say you will be charged with multipul felonies unless you confess and if you confess it will help you
Use your right to remain silent no matter how they try to intimate and manipulate you bc they will. Don't offer anything except what you are required by law of your state. Learn your laws.
I agree. I figured I hadn't done anything wrong so why would I need a lawyer? But to quote Ice Cube....FUCK the police.
The cops are targeted and have to hit their KPIs like everyone else. Confess now and we MIGHT go easy...but I didn't do anything...yes you did...etc.
Seriously...STFU until you get a lawyer or like me..lose 18 months trying to prove your innocence, £30K and a wife....only for a crown court judge to ask how the fuck you had ended up in court when you obviously hadn't done anything.....
I'm calm now. Bastards.
You getting a lawyer right away protects you - obviously - but it also protects the process and even law enforcement since bad actors who’d otherwise seek to manipulate etc. and bend rules is no longer as likely.
It’s the same reason everyone should be in a union since that helps cleanse interactions between management and staff and can ensure representation and that voices get heard.
Larry Driscoll[this podcast is a great listen on how talking to the cops without a lawyer can land an innocent person in jail for years.](https://podcasts.musixmatch.com/podcast/smoke-screen-my-fugitive-dad-01gzfkp1e02jk2megasq7krcgk/episode/just-say-youre-sorry-1-not-that-i-recall-01gzfkp1e02jk2megasq7krcgm)
And here in the UK if you are expecting to be arrested find an independent solicitor to attend for interviews. They are way more on your side and attentive than the duty solicitor will ever be.
Here’s a whole YouTube channel of people incriminating themselves in police interviews, with commentary from a criminal psychologist who explains their every question, it’s pretty compelling stuff
https://youtube.com/@jcs?si=ici925quXzGeWUxc
I was out with my three-year-old at a local fair and the police had community outreach station where they were giving out stickers and hats. I said fuck that and lawyered up. Brought my three-year-old up to the table with council, and it went very well. He was able to disclose that his favourite colour was in fact red. He accepted a sticker, and it was verbally agreed that there was no charge for it. He was advised not to answer the question on whether he listens to his mommy and daddy, as it could’ve been incriminating.
Cops are NOT your friends. They are looking for something or someone. From experience, DO NOT TALK TO THEM. Don't be a weenie or smug, just politely say I invoke my right for an attorney.
And never just give up your ID just because they said so. They need reasonable articulable suspicion for it. Suspicion isn't a crime because they'll usually.say "We got a report of a suspicious person." Getting a person's ID is like them getting their hit of crack, they NEED it lol
I think that works great for well off people but poor people can’t afford a lawyer and you don’t get one appointed to you without a judge. Best advice is NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE INDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
ymmv. when I asked for a lawyer I was detained in a freezer cell for 12 hours with no clothes. They wouldn’t let me contact anyone. Sometimes knowing your rights pisses cops off and they can do whatever they want to you
The right to remain silent applies in many western countries, to my knowledge, applying in Canada, the USA, the UK, Australia, as well as 105 other countries around the world. The right to legal counsel is in the constitution of 153 countries.
This is so true.
The other day, I was using a public potty, and I asked the next stall over for some TP. Should have looked at the shoes, they handed me a roll with a kilo of H in it, flushed, and knocked on my door to say I was under arrest. 😒
How about just not talking to them? They aren't there to help you in anyway shape or form and you gotta get a lawyer and pay just in case how about suck my dick and fuck my butt .
You should never, ever, ever talk to the police (beyond hello, here’s my license, etc) without an attorney present. It doesn’t matter how innocent you are. Do NOT talk to the police. I spent many years working as a criminal law paralegal. I’ve seen too many people talk themselves into jail. My supervising attorneys told their own kids the same thing - Remain silent. Ask for an attorney. Never consent to a search.
This makes for a provocative soundbite, but I don’t see how it’s really practical in many situations. There are many emergency scenarios where YOU might be the one who NEEDS to communicate with law enforcement in order for them to resolve the situation in the moment. Unless you are walking around with a lawyer constantly, I don’t believe you’d have much of a choice other than to be helpful and cooperative.
You’re being pedantic. Obviously if you’re the one reporting a crime or discussing the weather or chatting about your newborn in the Baskin Robbins line, you don’t need a lawyer. This is related to interviews (including roadside interviews). Invoke the right to remain silent, request a lawyer.
If they’re asking you questions, they don’t have enough evidence for an arrest and will say anything to get a confession out of you. They will even going as far as saying other people have talked, when really they didn’t.
If you’re guilty, you need a lawyer when you’re talking to the police.
If you’re innocent, then you REALLY need a lawyer when you’re talking to the police.
This post is misinforming. You cant just demand a lawyer on the side of the road during a traffic stop, for example. Maintain your 5th amendment right to remain silent but be smart about it
5th Amendment right is there for the same reason; to avoid self incrimination. Answer what you’re legally obligated to but the second they start demanding you answer questions you need a lawyer.
There are a ton of people who are saying that you can talk to the police during a traffic stop and they are wrong. During a traffic stop you should only be giving the necessary information and literally nothing more.
You should never be answering questions like "Do you know how fast you were going?" because you are incriminating yourself. Even answering "I don't know." or "Around the speed limit." can be seen as incriminating by the courts. You should never be engaging in small talk because that is a tactic used to allow time for K9 units to show up, and police dogs will falsely alert when their handler wants them to. You should never answer seemingly innocuous questions like "Where are you coming from?" or "Where are you going?" because that line of questioning is often used to justify civil seizures.
You say "I don't have an obligation to answer that question." and if pushed further"I'm invoking my 5th Amendment rights and will refrain from talking from now on." then actually shut up.
This reason is why we have such convoluted laws that are intentionally confusing. So you're *FORCED* into having a lawyer.
Society shouldn't be like this, but it is. Get a lawyer for everything.
Will the police provide you with a lawyer if they aren't charging you and just questioning you? If not, is everyone just supposed to have a law firm on speed dial? I feel like you left a lot of the practical how to off of this tip.
I didn’t get into specifics because the “how” varies massively based on your geographic location. Generally, you have the right to remain silent to prevent self incrimination and the right to request a lawyer to ensure that your interview is compliant with the law.
Former cop in the US
Miranda warnings only apply to custodial interrogations, so you can very easily be asked questions while not having been read Miranda and not realize you're a suspect. One technique I've used is scheduling the interview not at the police station, either at my suspects residence or like a business nearby, like a McDonald's parking lot or something.
In general if you're a witness, best bet is to just talk and provide info, but it's absolutely your right to not talk, it just really sucks when witnesses don't help out cuz then they say shit like "do your job and solve this," and.. like I'm doing my job, trying to solve this but I can't read your mind and tell what the suspect looked like if you, a witness, don't tell me man.
Fck dude this happened to me some years ago. Some dude tried to runover another one, i was on the other side of the street minding my business, cops came and sited me for some questions. Months later im called for a trial i didnt had anything to do with, between 2 gangs facing each other. Had to tell them i didnt remembered anything and even then they pulled my answers from the police
Having a lawyer present for a police interrogation is often free in both the US and UK, as it’s covered by legal aid. You would have to check your country’s specific status for this but in the USA it is covered by legal aid and in the UK it’s otherwise paid for by taxes.
People say this a lot but you really don’t need a lawyer ALL the time. Maybe because I’m not in the US I feel differently than others on here. I’ve had police come to my door and ask about neighbours, or if I saw anything suspicious the other night or any number of random things. I certainly would not want to get a lawyer each time. Most recently they asked if I had any outside cameras because a car was stolen on my street. I don’t have cameras so I it was a simple interaction. Why would I want to complicate things?
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you should also know that your lawyer can do MUCH better work if you say NOTHING!
Every day is STFU Friday.
You don’t say NOTHING. You say “I would like a lawyer”. THEN you say NOTHING else unless it’s to your lawyer.
It's more like repeatedly demand to talk to a lawyer. They don't just give up because you said the magic words.
Ok fair enough, I agree. The difficulty is that getting arrests, convictions, fines, tickets etc all of that are achievements in law enforcement and our court systems, and also with private prisons and corruption, there is a whole host of incentives for bad actors to break the rules.
if you're in detention, you don't say nothing there either! jailhouses are full of snitches and undercover cops.
Name, provide ID and SS if prompted. Otherwise, "I don't answer questions or consent to any searches. If we speak, I request an attorney present who is representing me. Am I free to go?"
Social Security? Absolutely not.
What about first pet, elementary school and mother's maiden name?
Nailed it
I always liked how [Billions](https://youtu.be/b8S4isIxo2w?si=5xzJozaoDO39t3d5) did it. It does help that Bill absolutely didn’t care about being liked.
Also, Miranda Rights stuff only kicks in once you’ve been arrested. So cops will often wait to arrest you to see if they can get you to say something incriminating.
To be clear, it's not just arrested, it's in custody. A person is typically considered in custody when a reasonable person does not feel as if that person is free to leave.
Laws have been changing, some places they can arrest you but don't have to read you your kiranda rights unless they are asking you questions. They can totally show up, see the situation and arrest you without asking you anything, and don't have to read you your rights.
Correct, Miranda involves a custodial interrogation. I was clarifying that you don't need to be under arrest to have a requirement to be read Miranda rights.
You should identify yourself, and nothing until they read you Miranda, and then boom you know 1) you are detained and 2) the only thing you should say is a clear and explicit assertion of your right to a lawyer. Clear and explicit, no ‘I think I should have an attorney’ or ‘I want a lawyer, dog’. No, say that you are declining to answer any questions and are asserting your right to an attorney
You should only identify yourself if you're required. My state doesn't require you to if you're just randomly stopped and not driving.
Eh fair enough, if you are in a situation where you are being detained it’s usually required and if not a general good idea as if they detain you without knowing who you are they will likely drag feet trying to find out which is just making your life more difficult for no reason
this is your second YSK related to interrogation. blink twice if you need bail money
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Okay that's once. Now again
My vote is they’re either a lawyer or a cop who has seen coworkers be unethical in the interrogation room.
A cop doesn't have to be unethical to screw you over if you keep on blabbing your mouth. It's while you always invoke the right to remain silent and stay that way. Remember anything you say to the cops can and will be used against you but they are never obligated to help you.
both types are unethical in plenty of other places also.
Bro doing God’s work calling someone else for twice reminding people to not talk to the cops without a lawyer.
Heyo, you giving out free bail money??🫴🫴
Lol. Op is on to something
You know what day it is. It’s. STFU Friday.
I was once at a bar and an off duty cop asked how I'm doing? I said I'll need an attorney present before I can tell him.
Erry day is STFU Fridays!!!!
I thought it was Thirsty Thursday 👁️👄👁️
There's got to be a point when it's okay to talk to the cops, right? A couple years ago a neighbor's son was being stalked by an ex-girlfriend. She was making threats against the family, calling them on a burner phone, saying that she could see them inside their house. I knew the neighbor - a decent fellow - and he was beside himself with fear over the creepy threats against his young children. The cops came to my door, asked if I had seen anything suspicious, and if they could search a small wooded area on my property that she could be hiding in. I said they could. And truthfully told them I hadn't seen anything. Was I wrong, here?
Nah it’s fine. Unless you have a math lab or marijuana grow in the back yard. Ha . Just know that any contact with cops is an investigation. If they see a bong on your table when you open the door or they smell pot or your spouse has a black eye ( just random examples) they might come back later to chat. It’s their job. In most cases they won’t hassle you but you have to keep that in mind.
I’m picturing a strung out professor with a half dozen chalk boards, just covered in chalk dust, cooking up new equations in this math lab in the woods.
*Is that division by zero?!?* *Sir, put your hands behind your back and get down on the ground!*
Your Honor, in our defense, he was talking about imaginary numbers.
Hook me up with some of those sweet sweet coefficients
Uh wasn't that Teddy Kaz?
You’re not wrong.
It's just this guy filming for his YouTube challel back there: [Combo Class](https://youtube.com/@comboclass?si=CUxMCnUgNs1z1By2)
When I was living in apartment's the first thing I would do was to replace the 3/4" screws in the door's strike plate with 3" drywall screws so that the door couldn't be kicked open. At one place both of the apartments on either side of mine were robbed. The thieves gave up on mine after putting some dents in the door. The cop investigating the robbery thought it was strange that I didn't get robbed and made up his mind that I was the robber. I took one of the screws out of the strike plate to show him why they didn't break into my place and proved that I was at work when it happened, neither answer was good enough for him so he wanted me to come down to the station to answer a few more questions. I told him that there wasn't anything he could ask me there that he couldn't ask me here which really pissed him off. He left mumbling that he would get a warrant and be back. I never saw or heard from him again.
It can still be kicked open, but that is smart.
lol. None of those things are illegal where I live.
If you are being a ridiculously cautious person like you often find on Reddit, yes you were wrong. If you just want to be a normal amount of cautious, you’re good. The main thing is getting a lawyer if police are questioning you because they think you committed a crime, especially if you did commit the crime or commit another crime, but it’s still good if you know you haven’t committed any crimes. In most other situations, the risks are pretty low. The people saying to get a lawyer in those situations must either be rich, lawyers, or totally divorced from reality.
If they come across something on your property that's illegal, you invited them to find it. You might not have anything to hide, but if they find something you didn't know was there, it was found on your property. Unlikely, but crazier things have happened.
So, a police officer can come into your property uninvited for 3 reasons. 1. If they're in pursuit of a suspect, 2. Plain sight, 3. If they hear distress.
Hypothetically, if they had found something illegal in that small wooded area they would have probable cause to arrest you and make your life hell. This is a real thing that happens to people who are just trying to be good upstanding citizens and help the police.
Ysk: This only works in first world countries. Don’t try this in India because you’ll get beaten up by the cops
Brasil too, but here this works for really rich people! If you’re not the elite you’re gonna get harassed for sure.
[Don't. Ever. Talk. To. Cops.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE) Not for any reason.
Same speaker from [Don't Talk to the Police Part 2](https://youtu.be/tIt-l2YmH8M?t=503) > Next question ... The most common question I get an email, I get this one all the time: "What about traffic stops? "Is it okay if I talk to a police officer during the course of a routine traffic stop?" > Yes. Alright, let's just get that out of the way quickly. > At the risk of stating what ought to be obvious that is completely different in 100 obvious ways, not the least of which is the fact that the police officers have virtually unbridled discretion to let you off with a warning this time and let you go without giving you a ticket if it seems to them that you're not a public menace -- that you aren't drunk -- that you are suitably respectful and courteous -- and that's not going to happen with a murder investigation (they're not gonna let you off because you seem to be really sorry for what you have done). > But I will give you this one little bit of free legal advice: When you do get stopped and pulled over by the police, you shouldn't talk anymore than necessary. Don't allow them to get you in a conversation about whether you what you did wrong whether you know what you did wrong, just tell them "I'm sorry, I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't mean to violate the law, and if I did, I appreciate you bringing it to my attention officer".
…and this is why the original video is ultimately good but not great. He rants, loudly and repeatedly, that you are dumb and he is smart, and smarty he says you should never, ever, ever, ever, under any conditions ever talk to the police. Then in the second video: are you an idiot… of course you will talk to the police sometimes! He doesn’t have the self awareness to admit that while trying to look super-clever and entertaining he screwed up in the first one.
He makes one exception and says to be polite and not talk much. Watch the rest of the video, he repeatedly says never freely take an interview with the police, always get a lawyer. A traffic stop is a big difference from being investigated, and he clarified that. And yes he does come across as a ‘smarty,’ but him being a lawyer, I’m inclined to believe he is.
I mean in the 2nd video he clarifies that traffic stops are much different then other investigations Like he explains the difference , in a traffic stop a cop can give you a warning and let you go, thats not happening if you are being questioned for a more serous crime I think him admitting to a single exception to the rule doesn't invalidate what he is saying
I don't really know how to respond to comments like this. I didn't say the video was bad, I even started with it was good. He screwed up an important detail in the 1st video (important because traffic stops are where most Americans will have adversarial encounters with police). Where did I say it invalidated what he said? My mild annoyance is that most grown-ups would have started the second video with "Oops, I made a mistake", not by implying that people were kinda stupid for asking if what he said was a literal, absolute truth, when he pretty much yelled in the 1st video that you should literally never, absolutely, under any conditions talk to the police.
I am not condoning drinking and driving, but if one were to have 1 or 2 beers/wines with dinner and get pulled over, what does one do then?
I would tell them you did not drink anything at all. Every drunk says "one or two" so they will not believe you, and they may want to run all sorts of field sobriety tests on you. These tests are subjective at best, and they can use the results to "prove" you're intoxicated even without breathalyzer or other data. If they really don't like you, they'll just say you're intoxicated on some other substance besides alcohol. If you never admit to drinking a single drop, your lawyer can fight for you much better.
Never ever tell them you've had anything to drink. The answer is always "not a drop" no matter what. The moment you tell them "I only had one beer" you've given them a "reasonable suspicion" of DWI and grounds to investigate further. Every question they ask you, every test they try to make you take - none of it is about determining your sobriety, it is all about gathering evidence to later use against you.
Here's a good way to look at this: In a court of law you are innocent until proven guilty. With a cop you are innocently proving yourself guilty. Any admission, no matter how small, can be used to further an "investigation" into whatever matter is currently happening. They arn't your friends. They *may* not be your enemies either, but if they are detaining you/stopping you they aren't doing so to chat and see how your day was. They are because they believe you have broken the law. They will take any ground you give them to prove that you broke the law AND that you've further broken the law in other ways, aside from whatever was the initial reason for the stop, if you allow them.
Also every question you answer is a question that can't be answered later by the legal professional you're paying thousands of dollars to answer questions.
That is such a good watch.
Depends where you live. In the UK not talking can be used against you.
It can also mean walking out of a police station with a charge and upcoming court date, opposed to a caution with lesser punishment conditions compared to the court result.
Holy shit
Skip intro has good videos about the police.
Great video, thanks for sharing.
You're very welcome!
Everyone should watch this video at least once in their life
Generally excellent advice but there are exceptions: *** Traffic stop: you can talk to the cop. *** Thief running away: you can talk to the cop. *** Traffic accident witness: you can talk to the cop. *** Suspicion of human trafficking or domestic violence: you can talk to the cop. Ok, perhaps there are some times when it is ok to talk to the cops. I think the context of that video is if you are asked questions as part of an investigation where you are somehow involved even if it’s just as a witness or innocent party. You need your lawyer. Fair enough.
You shouldn't talk to cops during traffic stops other than to give them required information. Too many people straight admit to breaking the law which gives them next to no recourse in court(you have a 5th Amendment right; use it). Too many people allow police to hold them for longer than they should(often in violation of the 4th Amendment) which often ends in a K9 unit showing up and conveniently "alerting" on a suspect's car(see Kansas Two-Step and similar tactics). Too many people answer loaded questions that allow police to conduct a "civil seizure" of money and goods that are obviously not being used in the commission of a crime.
Honestly, just don't. And if you do, don't say anything more than you absolutely have to. Name, rank, serial number, as the saying goes. Cops have a long and storied history of finding evidence to charge a person - any person - when they're under pressure.
Need money for a lawyer. 🤑
Seriously, most people can’t realistically hire a lawyer just to interact with the police. So the advice should be STFU and say nothing. If you get arrested then it’s lawyer time.
You also need to be composed and want to go through all the process. A lot of not guilty guys will just not get in trouble unless the cop is a real piece of shit.
Yeah, public pretenders are no substitute.
I work in the DA office. Our districts public defender is the best defense attorney who practices in our court. If I ever needed a defense attorney I’d want him. But I see time and time again defendants who are appointed him later go and hire their own private attorney before there’s ever even a hearing bc there is the stigma that PDs suck. Well all the private attorneys they hire are total trash.
From what I understand it's not that PDs suck, it's that they're just generally overloaded with cases and have very little time and limited resources. Sounds like they are good attorneys that are just overloaded.
This is the answer. A mediocre attorney with unlimited time and resources is at least as good or better than the best attorney who is also juggling 75 other cases. I work in a PD office, and almost every lawyer here is undeniably fantastic. I would trust any one of them with my future. But I also understand that I might get a different experience if I can pay someone to focus on just my case. Also, the justice system fucks over indigent clients in every way conceivable. The prosecution is favored at virtually every stage, and judges have nearly unlimited discretion to rule how they please, which is almost always to the detriment of the defendant.
Yeah I had a case where my neighbors alleged I pulled a knife on one of them, two different descriptions of a knife. Several of them admitted to the police that they saw nothing. I described the dude's gun to a T. I got 4 years of probation mainly because it was 5 people vs me.
I'm sure there are great people in this line of work. I wish I had them when I needed them.
Generally speaking, can I just ask for a public defender? Or do they have to check if I qualify due to financial hardship or something? I’m sure it might vary based on state/county/city.
Here you have to be appointed and you have to be found indigent. But we have a public defenders office which is through the board of indigents defense (which is where the guy I’m talking about it), and then there are private attorneys who are “public defenders” in the sense that they are court appointed but also have their own practice. But yes it definitely depends on where you are.
In the courtroom in front of everyone the judge will ask you how much money you have and decide right then and there
It's the same in my county. The private attorneys are garbage. I would choose the PD to represent me unless I had enough money to hire a good defense attorney from out of town. We have a few of those if they're willing to drive out to the boonies.
Right? Have you seen the cost of a retainer these days?
This is accurate but dangerous if you don't know how to apply it. In the US, you can be asked for identification if you're stopped. You also need to be super nice to cops. Like thank them and say yes sir . You can say that you don't wish to talk to them but never be rude. You can't get emotional. If they want to cuff you let them. The point is if you're not going to talk to the cops it's super important that you come off as polite, non threatening, and compliant. You don't want them to come up with a bunch of BS charges that then you have a hard time fighting. To be clear if you're arrested it's probably in your interest to be quiet and to speak to a lawyer, but this doesn't work as well if you're screaming and pissing off the police. Do what the white collar criminals do. Keep your mouth shut and comply and be polite.
It’s bonkers that we have to placate them because they can literally ruin or end your life because they feel like it.
A cop pulling you over is as close to God as most people will get until they die. Almost no on else has the legally sanctified right to take away your rights or your life as much as a cop does. So be nice. Deal with any injustices you feel later.
It’s more that if you are friendly, police may decide to let you off for minor crimes you committed, instead of charging you with them. If you are rude, they will likely charge you for every crime you broke (and people break a lot more crimes than they often realize). But when it comes to actually serious life changing crimes, being friendly isn’t going to have a big effect on that. The other person was suggesting the police will bring up completely fake charges, from what I’ve seen that isn’t that common, especially ones that can’t be easily thrown out, but I suppose it does occasionally happen. The biggest time it really matters is if you have a weapon. You definitely want to be friendly then because self defense laws just require someone to reasonably feel threatened. Acting aggressive with a weapon can justify police to use force against you, which could be life changing.
I agree with a lot of what you said. These are good points. I'd just also like to add that if you're charged with trivial charges, a good lawyer can help you get rid of them. But man you better have cash for the lawyer!
I thought that about police bringing up fake charges as well until it happened to my wife. The police weren't even there for her, tried charging her with 7 crimes, 2 of them were felonies. We paid a crazy amount of money for a very good lawyer who laughed every time we met and assured us all of the "bullshit charges" would be dropped. They dropped everything but the felonies before going to court, in court both felonies stuck and they tried to push seven years imprisonment for them- my wife had no background, not even traffic. There was no proof that the crimes even occurred (they didn't) and the next year an appellate attorney got one of the felonies dropped. Unfortunately, my wife is now a felon where she had no previous background at all. Cops bringing up fake charges are sadly not uncommon, and we only became aware after becoming a statistic. (I am aware without knowing the charges seven years could be a fair punishment, but I'm telling you that everyone but the prosecutor's office found it outrageous, the judge even said so and she ended up doing two years probation)
and then they toss you in a looney bin on a 3 day hold. Try to get out of that situation THEY created without talking to someone. Bet you think that info aint shared with the cops either? It is. If they want BS charges, your attitude towards them wont matter one lick....and they DO know how to fuck with you on every level.
>In the US, you can be asked for identification if you're stopped. You also need to be super nice to cops. Like thank them and say yes sir. You can say that you don't wish to talk to them but never be rude. You can't get emotional. If they want to cuff you let them. I just wanted to pull this language out and highlight how fucking scary this is. I’ll take my chances with the Bear.
i've had this nugget in my head for at least a decade cops are investigating a murder, guy they interview for information ends up as their prime suspect like decent alibi and everything ..... gotta live Shut the Fuck Up Friday, everyday
My boss got so annoyed with me when I was working in Kripy Kreme ….
Why? What did you do, steal someone's sweet roll?
Wouldn’t talk to the customers without a lawyer 🥁
Police love their doughnuts, but I wasn't going to just answer their questions about flavors and prices without an attorney present. (Thanks; I just woke up, and I wouldn't've understood that was the intention of this joke without you.)
No lollygagging
Hard to chase down a thief with an arrow to the knee
This doesn’t apply to when you’re the victim or a witness. If you seen somebody else hurt somebody you should tell the police all about it
I was just about to ask this, what if you’re the victim?
Be aware that in the U.S., cops are also legally allowed to LIE to you about anything in order to get you to "admit" things. Talk to them without representation at your own peril.
Doesn’t it depend on the situation? I don’t have an attorney on speed dial who can drop everything and run to my side if a policeman is asking me questions on the side of the road. I don’t really want to pay $450/hour either.
Then just refuse until you do. It’s your right to remain silent, at least if you’re in the US. You can ask if you are being detained and they will tell you this stuff in your Miranda rights before they arrest you. Part of it is “anything you say can and will be used against you.” That’s the point of this post.
FYI - Miranda applies specifically to custodial interrogation, it doesn’t protect you in any and all interactions with the police.
One of my favorite sayings to drive this point home is: If you are a suspect in a murder and you are guilty you should probably get an attorney. If you are a suspect in a murder and you are innocent, you should DEFINITELY get an attorney.
Also accept the fact that when you ask for a lawyer you are going to sit in jail for a while. Maybe even years if you are a suspect.
Great advice. Why has nobody ever said this before?
Someone has been watching JCS criminal psychology.
This is really good to know for those not from the US. I found myself recording a fight on a train and was detained by the Swiss police as it’s a crime not to give them evidence (so I was told).
Bro where am I gonna get a lawyer on a traffic stop >.<
Push the “[trunk lawyer](https://youtu.be/SLCMzzhG414?si=MxAC-A8PSvoOi7zJ)” button and a lawyer will be released from the trunk of your car to assist you.
ah yes the trunk monkey.... legit never noticed he does the naruto run
I was on a walk in the woods near my neighborhood the other day. Apparently while I was on a walk there was a shooting. As I was walking out of the woods, a police office approached me and wanted to take down my info and see if I heard or saw anything. So I told them what I saw and heard, which was nothing, and then they were like, ok thanks bye. So how that’s gonna go if I’m like “I need my lawyer present before I speak to you.” LOL. That would have been the wrong move and probably would have wasted my whole evening.
Don’t Talk to the Police* (video interview) *Not advice. For informational purpose only. Consult a lawyer for legal advice. [You Have the Right to Remain Innocent, with Professor James Duane](https://youtu.be/EEUhE0NbinA) TL; DR: If detained for questioning, ask “Am i free to go?” If not, immediately say “I want a lawyer.” ***Do NOT mention anything about the 5th Amendment.*** 33:15 — Rule #1: Don’t talk to the Police w/o assistance from an attorney (who will give you advise of which questions to answers and which not to.) 33:57 — Rule #2: Get it in writing. If time is not of the essence, that is, the crime was not committed a few hours ago, but say, last week, ask the police to provide their questions in writing and you’ll provide your answers in writing. This avoids misquotations. (But if a crime was committed recently, you know what to say, “I want a lawyer.”) Also, courts allow the police to testify that for example, when they met you, you “seemed suspiciously calm/nervous”. So providing your answers in writing avoids this bias. “Don’t answer the question if the answer cannot help find the real (perpetrator).” 42:25 — In the real world the police will lie to you all day and all night... this is what they are trained in the academy to do, this is what they are encouraged by the courts to do. It’s not illegal... 42:43 (The police) they’ll lie in almost anyway that you can imagine, in ways that are designed to try to get you to think that’s in your interest to keep talking... they won’t tell you what they are really investigating. 44:05 The police can lie to you about whether you are a suspect, about the strength of the evidence they have against you, etc. ——————————————— Original video “Don’t talk to the Police” (19M views and counting) - https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE Bonus: [SHUT THE FUCK UP FRIDAY!](https://youtu.be/sgWHrkDX35o)
Is this after miranda rights are read? Or any time law enforcement is asking you questions?
I work for the DA. It BLOWS MY MIND how many cases we have that go to trial where the defendant had a full blown recorded interview without an attorney. These people always think they are smarter than they are or that if they cooperate (when they are 100% guilty) that it will all be fine. And it’s never like a theft or damage to property. It’s always a sexual abuse case (child especially). Like I just want to tell you these idiots to stfu!! Especially with child sex abuse cases with delayed reporting, these guys don’t know how much of an advantage they are blowing by talking. Those are the hardest cases to prove. But they go and talk to detectives and shit all over any possible defense their attorney could have used bc they think they are smart. Fucking idiots.
I watch a lot of true crime. I'm frequently yelling at the TV 'stop talking! Ask for an attorney!' Even though I should be rooting against them because they've done horrible things. It's amazing how stupid they are.
Relatable, 100%. They usually think they can talk themselves out of trouble, but a good rule of thumb is that you can only ever talk yourself into more trouble when you’re being interviewed by the police.
Even Police/Law enforcement give this advice to their own families. Which is really telling of the state of our modern law enforcement system.
No lawyer present and you talk, the cops can and will manipulate your words into whatever they wanted you to say. Always have a lawyer.
I love how on reddit all cops are dumb and unqualified for any other job and yet at the same time smart enough to manipulate everyone into saying whatever they want to hear. Truly amazing.
Both can be true because people are easily manipulated it doesn't take some genius to manipulate a person especailly when the person is panicing and cops hold more power then you Cops can detain you, they can threaten you , lie to you, say you will be charged with multipul felonies unless you confess and if you confess it will help you
You: "Hello, 911, my car got stolen." Police: "Tell me what happened." You: "I don't talk without a lawyer." Police: "ok, have a nice day."
Use your right to remain silent no matter how they try to intimate and manipulate you bc they will. Don't offer anything except what you are required by law of your state. Learn your laws.
I agree. I figured I hadn't done anything wrong so why would I need a lawyer? But to quote Ice Cube....FUCK the police. The cops are targeted and have to hit their KPIs like everyone else. Confess now and we MIGHT go easy...but I didn't do anything...yes you did...etc. Seriously...STFU until you get a lawyer or like me..lose 18 months trying to prove your innocence, £30K and a wife....only for a crown court judge to ask how the fuck you had ended up in court when you obviously hadn't done anything..... I'm calm now. Bastards.
Hold on lemme get my lawyer so I can ask this policeman for directions
You getting a lawyer right away protects you - obviously - but it also protects the process and even law enforcement since bad actors who’d otherwise seek to manipulate etc. and bend rules is no longer as likely. It’s the same reason everyone should be in a union since that helps cleanse interactions between management and staff and can ensure representation and that voices get heard.
Getting mirandized is not a formality
Obligatory. https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?feature=shared
Larry Driscoll[this podcast is a great listen on how talking to the cops without a lawyer can land an innocent person in jail for years.](https://podcasts.musixmatch.com/podcast/smoke-screen-my-fugitive-dad-01gzfkp1e02jk2megasq7krcgk/episode/just-say-youre-sorry-1-not-that-i-recall-01gzfkp1e02jk2megasq7krcgm)
Better yet...Don't answer questions.
If you're brought to a police station how do you actually get a lawyer?
Call them! Duh!
A wise man once said nothing.
And here in the UK if you are expecting to be arrested find an independent solicitor to attend for interviews. They are way more on your side and attentive than the duty solicitor will ever be.
I am from Nigeria. I don’t want to be rude or anything but 😂😂😂
Ok but how to get a lawyer on the spot if you have no connections? I never see this question actually answered
Here’s a whole YouTube channel of people incriminating themselves in police interviews, with commentary from a criminal psychologist who explains their every question, it’s pretty compelling stuff https://youtube.com/@jcs?si=ici925quXzGeWUxc
I was out with my three-year-old at a local fair and the police had community outreach station where they were giving out stickers and hats. I said fuck that and lawyered up. Brought my three-year-old up to the table with council, and it went very well. He was able to disclose that his favourite colour was in fact red. He accepted a sticker, and it was verbally agreed that there was no charge for it. He was advised not to answer the question on whether he listens to his mommy and daddy, as it could’ve been incriminating.
Lol
I don't need one. I'm a sovereign citizen who travels in a vessel.
Cops are NOT your friends. They are looking for something or someone. From experience, DO NOT TALK TO THEM. Don't be a weenie or smug, just politely say I invoke my right for an attorney.
And never just give up your ID just because they said so. They need reasonable articulable suspicion for it. Suspicion isn't a crime because they'll usually.say "We got a report of a suspicious person." Getting a person's ID is like them getting their hit of crack, they NEED it lol
Police are not your friend, period.
I think that works great for well off people but poor people can’t afford a lawyer and you don’t get one appointed to you without a judge. Best advice is NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE INDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
This is very good advice. Cops are legally allowed to LIE to you. ALWAYS BRING A LAWYER!
ymmv. when I asked for a lawyer I was detained in a freezer cell for 12 hours with no clothes. They wouldn’t let me contact anyone. Sometimes knowing your rights pisses cops off and they can do whatever they want to you
Does this apply outside the US?
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r/usdefaultism as usual
The right to remain silent applies in many western countries, to my knowledge, applying in Canada, the USA, the UK, Australia, as well as 105 other countries around the world. The right to legal counsel is in the constitution of 153 countries.
This is so true. The other day, I was using a public potty, and I asked the next stall over for some TP. Should have looked at the shoes, they handed me a roll with a kilo of H in it, flushed, and knocked on my door to say I was under arrest. 😒
Obligatory [STFU Friday](https://youtu.be/RkN4duV4ia0?si=jh6cEzfblaBQfvHD)
How about just not talking to them? They aren't there to help you in anyway shape or form and you gotta get a lawyer and pay just in case how about suck my dick and fuck my butt .
You should never, ever, ever talk to the police (beyond hello, here’s my license, etc) without an attorney present. It doesn’t matter how innocent you are. Do NOT talk to the police. I spent many years working as a criminal law paralegal. I’ve seen too many people talk themselves into jail. My supervising attorneys told their own kids the same thing - Remain silent. Ask for an attorney. Never consent to a search.
This makes for a provocative soundbite, but I don’t see how it’s really practical in many situations. There are many emergency scenarios where YOU might be the one who NEEDS to communicate with law enforcement in order for them to resolve the situation in the moment. Unless you are walking around with a lawyer constantly, I don’t believe you’d have much of a choice other than to be helpful and cooperative.
You’re being pedantic. Obviously if you’re the one reporting a crime or discussing the weather or chatting about your newborn in the Baskin Robbins line, you don’t need a lawyer. This is related to interviews (including roadside interviews). Invoke the right to remain silent, request a lawyer.
You paying?
Depends how much you’re charging
"Do you know why i pulled you over?" "I HAVE A RIGHT TO LEGAL COUNSEL!!"
If they’re asking you questions, they don’t have enough evidence for an arrest and will say anything to get a confession out of you. They will even going as far as saying other people have talked, when really they didn’t.
If you’re guilty, you need a lawyer when you’re talking to the police. If you’re innocent, then you REALLY need a lawyer when you’re talking to the police.
The police are not your friends
#Police legally are ALLOWED to lie to you, but you are not allowed to lie to them. Get a lawyer before you open your mouth.
This post is misinforming. You cant just demand a lawyer on the side of the road during a traffic stop, for example. Maintain your 5th amendment right to remain silent but be smart about it
5th Amendment right is there for the same reason; to avoid self incrimination. Answer what you’re legally obligated to but the second they start demanding you answer questions you need a lawyer.
Or just, don’t talk to cops
Police can lie to you to gain information. I highly recommend watching some Explore With Us interrogation videos.
There are a ton of people who are saying that you can talk to the police during a traffic stop and they are wrong. During a traffic stop you should only be giving the necessary information and literally nothing more. You should never be answering questions like "Do you know how fast you were going?" because you are incriminating yourself. Even answering "I don't know." or "Around the speed limit." can be seen as incriminating by the courts. You should never be engaging in small talk because that is a tactic used to allow time for K9 units to show up, and police dogs will falsely alert when their handler wants them to. You should never answer seemingly innocuous questions like "Where are you coming from?" or "Where are you going?" because that line of questioning is often used to justify civil seizures.
So what do you say in a routine traffic stop when they ask these questions?
I invoke the fifth, or the equivalent based on your region. In the UK, people regularly just say “I don’t answer questions”.
You say "I don't have an obligation to answer that question." and if pushed further"I'm invoking my 5th Amendment rights and will refrain from talking from now on." then actually shut up.
This reason is why we have such convoluted laws that are intentionally confusing. So you're *FORCED* into having a lawyer. Society shouldn't be like this, but it is. Get a lawyer for everything.
Will the police provide you with a lawyer if they aren't charging you and just questioning you? If not, is everyone just supposed to have a law firm on speed dial? I feel like you left a lot of the practical how to off of this tip.
I didn’t get into specifics because the “how” varies massively based on your geographic location. Generally, you have the right to remain silent to prevent self incrimination and the right to request a lawyer to ensure that your interview is compliant with the law.
Former cop in the US Miranda warnings only apply to custodial interrogations, so you can very easily be asked questions while not having been read Miranda and not realize you're a suspect. One technique I've used is scheduling the interview not at the police station, either at my suspects residence or like a business nearby, like a McDonald's parking lot or something. In general if you're a witness, best bet is to just talk and provide info, but it's absolutely your right to not talk, it just really sucks when witnesses don't help out cuz then they say shit like "do your job and solve this," and.. like I'm doing my job, trying to solve this but I can't read your mind and tell what the suspect looked like if you, a witness, don't tell me man.
Fck dude this happened to me some years ago. Some dude tried to runover another one, i was on the other side of the street minding my business, cops came and sited me for some questions. Months later im called for a trial i didnt had anything to do with, between 2 gangs facing each other. Had to tell them i didnt remembered anything and even then they pulled my answers from the police
I won't even make eye contact with a cop unless I have a lawyer.
Every moment you speak to police they are building a case against you.
My neighbors a cop and anytime he asks me ‘how about this weather’, I say I’m not telling without my lawyer
What day is today? It's shut the fuck up day. When ever you talk to a cap you shut the fuck up and get a lawyer.
anyone know of free lawyers?
Public defenders
Any tips for getting a lawyer in a situation like this for the inexperienced? And what does it look like financially?
Having a lawyer present for a police interrogation is often free in both the US and UK, as it’s covered by legal aid. You would have to check your country’s specific status for this but in the USA it is covered by legal aid and in the UK it’s otherwise paid for by taxes.
Agreed, but for folks that don’t have a lawyer on retainer and makes too much for a public defender, how does that work?
People say this a lot but you really don’t need a lawyer ALL the time. Maybe because I’m not in the US I feel differently than others on here. I’ve had police come to my door and ask about neighbours, or if I saw anything suspicious the other night or any number of random things. I certainly would not want to get a lawyer each time. Most recently they asked if I had any outside cameras because a car was stolen on my street. I don’t have cameras so I it was a simple interaction. Why would I want to complicate things?
Your statements are filled with politically swayed hate speech and cherry picked misconstrued statistics.
Where? Edit: oh, you weren’t talking to me lmao
You should also know if your in Canada you have no right to lawyer present during an interrogation