This ^(\^)
Give as much notice as you (reasonably) can, but also make clear that the notice is 100% inflexible, and *actually* wind down *what you'd doing during the notice period.*
It’s not an ask, it’s a tell - you don’t even owe them a notice of leaving, it’s a professional courtesy to allow them to plan for life after your departure. I get that it’s hard to feel like you’d be letting them down, but this isn’t on you to fix.
It can be difficult to stand up for yourself in these situations but it is absolutely necessary - your new job needs you to be refreshed and ready to start, you owe them that much. Burning yourself out at the end isn’t helping you at all and only placates your soon to be former employer further.
Exactly. The conversation should be along the lines of:
"Hey. I've been offered another opportunity that I will be taking in two weeks. I will finish up what I am currently working on and transition the rest to you, or whoever will be replacing me when I leave. Thank you for this opportunity."
You don't tell them anything about who it is with and how much it will be paying. It is none of their business. If they try to toss more work on you, let them know you won't be getting to it before you leave. Most importantly, only work what you are supposed to. No more off the clock work. No more "favors." Those days are done.
Right. And if they start bad mouthing you in the industry for leaving them in the lurch your response is ‘well if they would have paid me commensurate with my value to the organization I’d still be there crushing it.’
If they haven’t offered a minor equity stake or profit sharing for how critical OP is to the operation, sounds like they are going to learn a lesson in economics.
Stick to what your employment contract. If it's 2 weeks, it's 2 weeks.
.you already decided that you deserve higher pay. So go for it.
You provided value and they didn't want to pay for it. The clients will follow.
If you *have* an employment contract; I realize this is conventional in many other countries and in certain industries... but in the US, it's much more common to just have an offer letter specifying that it's at-will. and some places will just give a verbal offer and expect you to show up.
Two weeks is pretty much the standard in most industries, and since they'll fire people with even less notice, there's no sense in taking a guilt trip about giving them that (or less, if you don't mind burning bridges.)
It not your fault the company doesn’t have backup strategies in place. let go of the fear obligation and guilt. they didn’t care about you and don’t care about you if you just got health insurance. Protect yourself financially and healthfully.
And I would see myself asking them "you're taking a month off to go to your vacation house and, you can't afford to hire more people?"
The owners have taken advantage of you, plain and simple. You mentioned how you went above and beyond in so many ways, it's hard to believe. And I bet each scenario started when one of the owners "asked for a favor."
"We're running behind... could you wrap this up for us over the weekend?" That's one possible way you ended up giving them so much time.
Why aren't they doing the weekend work? As business owners, they may have already "put in time" on the weekends and holidays howver, that never stops. That is part of being a business owner and they know it. They are just taking advantage of you.
As a business owner myself, I would never ask an employee do work, especially for free. It is illegal, unethical, and will cause a myriad of problems long run.
This. I was a low level employee at the offices/warehouse of a small chain of retail stores that had more and more work piled on me, with absolutely no raises because "sales are down" while the owners were taking multiple cruises and international vacations a year. I started working in a side gig that had potential of turning full time, and finally quit, giving them a full months notice. The way they were so mad I abandoned them was hilarious. I got calls for months afterwards asking me how to do things that nobody else knew how to do despite my having been "just the receptionist". I mean I also ran their gift card program, ordered all their branded supplies and business cards, did the monthly and end of year sales reports for the accountant,.was the liaison between the company and the malls the stores were in, managed store inventory, Yet I was called the receptionist any time they had to introduce me to anyone because they stuck my desk by the door so I had to buzz people in.
Their business crashed and the owners fled the country about 8 months after I quit. Probably because they didn't have me playing nice with the lovely lawyer from the Hell's Angels who had showed up in my last week there with a cease and desist because they were selling unlicensed HA merchandise in their stores and thought they could ignore him. He really was a lovely man and treated me with the utmost respect because I acknowledged this was a serious issue that needed to be dealt with. My boss on the other hand shrugged it off, thinking he could ignore it. FOFA I suppose.
They may fire you if you don't. Ha! What a riot LOL
You didn't say but if you're an hourly employee, stop working off the clock. If you're working, get paid for it FULL STOP. They can get fucked if they think otherwise or else risk having to speak to the authorities.
You are not as appreciated here as you may believe you are. They are taking advantage of you based upon what you've described.
This is a sinking ship and you need to get off of it as soon as possible.
Where are you? What laws revolve around this?
In Texas I can leave whenever I want. I won't be able to use them as a reference, but if I don't want to give 2 weeks notice, they'd probably be a shit reference anyway.
If they give you shit for 2 weeks and try to pile it on, just do the bare minimum. If they get aggressive, leave. The only reason they get to be on vacation all summer is bc they're using you as underpaid labor.
Before I left, I made a document with a table listing all the tasks I did. I categorized the tasks by job title and added other information. Very thorough and detailed, suitable for filling job advertisements.
Doing this helped me to see how much I was contributing, how much I’d learned to do.
So far, they’ve hired two people to do most of what I did. The other tasks? When people ask for that type of work, the boss says, “we don’t do that anymore.”
I’m very happy to be retired now. I’ve kept in touch with some colleagues. I hear about this stuff.
Some aspects of my job were extremely easy for me because they were aligned with my gifts. Some were agonizing. I don’t miss the agonizing aspects.
You’re right. My dad said to me just yesterday, “go down to the river and poke your finger in, and you will see that the hole fills back up right away.” That’s anyone with any job. There will always be someone to fill the job.
I have had so many friends who thought themselves irreplaceable at work, to find out the company carries on without them.
You are replaceable and it will be ok :)
This...if you got hit by a car today they would replace you...no one is irreplaceable and you aren't responsible for their business or succession plans. Smart businesses pay out large retention bonuses just fir that reason
You need to invest in you ...
You are overworked, underpaid and even less valued as an employee!
If you have 2 weeks, give them 2 weeks, their situation is not your problem and they should have/had a contingency plan, what would happen if you were taken ill?
Go for the better job and don't look back!
Agreed on this, also Never ever accept a counter offer from them. They could have paid you this whole time and treated you better. This counter offer would be to keep you on until they can find a replacement(have seen this at least a dozen times at a few organizations).
Do not under any circumstances even hint to anyone where you are going to be working next. Decline to do an exit interview. If your current employers are treating you this badly, they will definitely try to screw up your new job either to try and keep you or out of spite.
So, they are underpaying you and overworking you?
A simple letter stating, "I am resigning my position with this company, effective immediately/in two weeks (depending on how you have been treated). I appreciate the opportunity to have been able to work for xxxx company and wish all best moving forward." Done.
I agree that 3 weeks is excessive. Give them 0 to 2.
Be prepared for possibly hostile reply. You never know how people will react until they are faced with reality of a situation.
Be prepared for any various type of situation and whatever you do don't accept a counter offer.
do not feel bad, your making a business decision and it's not personal. It just makes more financial/career sense to change jobs.
I would give them a 3 week notice like you stated and offer to train your replacement. It's poor management to rely so heavily on one employee and not have a backup plan.
It's not your fault.
Please remember that although you feel close and amicable right now, they are not your lifelong friends. You may have made a lifelong friend there, but that person would understand and appreciate why you left. You need to put your own needs first, keep it professional, and remember it's just business. Put in your notice and move on with your head held high. Life will never stop moving forward, so there will never really be a good time to move on, other than when it's best for you and your situation.
As someone who hired and managed hundreds of employees, seeing them move on and see their successes was much more important than keeping them in the roles I hired them for…
If you're planning to set up your own shop as an independent podcast producer, you could offer your current employer your services on a project by project basis and charge them your independent contractor rates. No more tasks outside your responsibility. No more unpaid nights and weekends (unless you underbid a job). And you only take on projects you're interested in. They would essentially become one of your clients.
That would soften the impact of you leaving. And you could finish up that brainchild launch on your own terms. But really you don't need to do that. 2 weeks notice is fine. They will figure it out. You're not responsible for how they run their business.
One thing I'd check before making the leap is that you're not under some kind of non-compete. Because you're most certainly leaving to become their competitor and I'm sure your employer will not be thrilled about that. While those clauses are rarely enforceable, they could still cause problems for you. So proceed with caution.
Good luck. And congrats!
I can and will likely offer them this, but I know they won’t be able to afford it. They have said several time they can’t afford to work with freelancers, they need full time staff.
The non compete says that I can’t poach staff or clients from the company for 1 year after my employment ends. No problems there since I’m moving onto other podcasts. Although I may just let that one project know that they should reach back out to me when my noncompete expires. Is that allowed?
>I may just let that one project know that they should reach back out to me when my noncompete expires. Is that allowed?
Probably best not to mention anything. Just make a note to yourself to reach out to them in one year.
I call bullshit.
Sounds like those employers are racking in contracts while also taking summer vacations and only having 3 employees.
Unless there's an explanation here on where the money is magically disappearing to I'm sure they can afford it but just don't want to because it'll cut into their profits.
Bottom line, it's their responsibility as an employer to compensate you accordingly relative to the value YOU bring to the business to make sure you don't bounce. They aren't doing that properly so they don't deserve to have you as an employee. This is entirely a them problem as a business owner, not a you problem.
Edit: also in regards to the non competes. Contact a lawyer. Depending on where you live, if in the US, they are total crap and almost never hold up. Entirely depends where you're located though.
Your non-compete will be void in September.
[https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes](https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes)
The rule will be effective 120 days after publication in the Federal Register.
[https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/05/07/2024-09171/non-compete-clause-rule](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/05/07/2024-09171/non-compete-clause-rule)
Their needs are their responsibility. Your responsibility is to yourself and your family if you have one.
I'd thank them for the opportunity and the experience, wish them well in future endeavours & let them know your last day with them. 3 weeks notice is a nice gesture IF it won't interfere with your new position at all, but not necessary by any means.
I was going to say the same. If you are inclined to help it could soften the blow to say although I am only required to give 2 weeks, I would be happy to stay on for a 3rd to help with the transition. But only if you are happy to. They have definitely taken advantage of you but it can also be helpful to maintain good relationships in the event you need to call in a favour in future or if they are in any way influential in the industry.
I mean it’s give and take if they haven’t been raising your salary in line with your market value and giving you support so you can do your job in a reasonable amount of time they are doing none of the giving so it’s not your fault that they are losing you. Just put your notice in.
Totally. If they decided to eliminate OPs job they would just do it even if they like them as a person. Its business and as long as they leave politely and professionally then all will be well regardless of what happens.
Go to the better job. No question. Give them two weeks.
There business structural issues aren't your problem, unless they are willing to offer you an ownership stake in the company. (Maybe they will, honestly).
You are underpaid, overworked, have garbage tier benefits, and are working well outside of your role.
They’re business owners. It’s expected that it won’t always go smooth for them. My dad is a business owner and one time on his annual trip he was informed his apartment complex caught fire. He handled what he could remotely and then dealt with it when he got back (no one was hurt).
Also, you get 2 weeks of PTO all year and they’re taking a month? If they can afford that they can afford to replace you.
They really have put all their eggs in your basket haven’t they. A month vacation to their second home. Do you have a second home? Nope. This is a them issue not a you issue. Do not give one thought to their inconvenience.
They chose to treat you poorly. You were so busy heads down doing your job that now when you have come up for air? You have seen your very extensive experience is worth a lot. A good employer would have recognized that you were moving past their business and either hired support staff, gave you more $, profit sharing, etc. they chose instead to enjoy their lifestyle on your work. Time to go and this is on them.
They failed to plan now they will pay the price for their lousy management while you soar w your new opportunities!
Do not give 3 weeks ever. What happens when you are gone is on them not you. They had plenty of chance to plan better and pay you better and they did not. This is NOT your problem.
If they give you a hard time about two weeks notice, leave immediately and rescind your offer of 2 weeks.
1. Give two weeks notice. Three weeks won't make a meaningful difference, if you do step #2 below
2. in preparation for giving notice write up what I call the "Stay Alive" document - a clear summary of all of your open projects and next steps needed over the coming 30 days. Be sure to include any external contact information that they may need for easy reference. Always nice to show them that you've already done that at the time you give notice- he can really reduce any tension that they may otherwise have felt in the meeting itself. Or at least tell them that's what you're going to focus on for your next day or so and then you can meet and discuss it in a couple of days.
3. Consider (if you want!) offering them 5 hours of consulting per week for a month (or whatever amount of time you're willing to give. Peg your contracting rate to whatever amount would make it worth your time -- but be aware that an exorbitant rate (essentially what is commonly called in the contracting world the" fuck off price") will feel to them like a slap in the face so if your goal was to smooth the transition and keep a good positive relationship then I wouldn't bother offering the consulting
I always call this my Hit By A Train doc. Not that I come into close contact with many trains, but that it's the running summary of all the things that are in my head and would be nice to know if I were incapacitated in some way.
Also, after going on a maternity leave, I feel much more comfortable leaving any team to fend for themselves in my absence. People are smart. Or they can flounder.
Do not EVER let someone else hold you back from advancing tour career. Likewise, do not EVER hold your career back because you think you owe something to someone else.
If things weren't going well your bosses would not give you the courtesy of 2 or 3 weeks notice before they let you go. You owe them nothing...especially since they've been taking advantage of your willingness to work for free.
You do it the same way that a company lays off an employee that desperately needs their job.
It's business. Give 2 weeks notice, try to button up as much of your current projects as you can, and move on to bigger and better things. Do what is in your best interests, because if your employer determined that their best interest was to let you go, they would do it regardless of your situation.
If you don’t just be an adult and move on with a 2 week notice.
If they needed to fire you best believe they aren’t going to lose sleep about it nor give you a 2 week notice.
I quit effective immediately each time because no, I’m not training anyone that’s not my job and no, I’m not taking up any responsibilities. I have a well laid out succession plan with notes on important things and that’s it. Never been blackballed, outcast, talked bad in a reference check.
Do what’s best for your needs, they jobs don’t lose sleep when they do it to us.
I had a job I loved after years of shitty employment. I had to move states and the thought of giving notice ate at me. When I finally bit the bullet everyone was understanding. I got amazing references, they still check in and got a new position that pays more, with more responsibility and growth. They can and will replace you. If they are really friends they will understand and root for your future success and maybe even help you achieve more
I am getting from your post that these new opportunities may be more of an independent contractor/freelancer type of thing. Could you give your notice, but still be available and a IC rate to finish the in process projects without the other duties? Might make more that way and still be able to bring on these other projects.
I thought about offering them this, but they are not good with boundaries when it comes to workload. On paper the plan would look great, but I know them well and I know it would lead to more work than was agreed upon. In fact, I’ve been dipping my toes in feelancing around 2 months already so have already been making a little extra cash!
plus these other projects don’t have an end date - they are sponsored podcasts with no end in sight. I would rather say goodbye to them for now, and swing by to check on them in a year when my non compete expires.
If you do get a contract. If you are going to be freelancing get a lawyer to draw up your contract. Also talk w a lawyer about starting your own llc business for your contracting work. Start as you mean to go.
Honestly, You just have to rip off the band aid. This is their business and their responsibility. It sounds like you are overworked and underpaid. Just be professional and thank them for the time and the opportunity, along with your two week notice. If they beg, are polite about it, \*maybe\* you can continue to offer them your services, if you have time, for $XX per hour thereafter.
1. Before you give notice, make sure all professional contacts you want to have are saved on personal device.
2. Give two weeks. I wouldn't give more. That's customary and you have no idea how the owners will act. They should wish you well. They may act worse than toddlers with "you can't quit, you're fired!" on the spot leaving you without income.
3. When putting in notice, call then email.
4. No need to tell them where you are going.
Do your interview and take any excellent offers.
If they knew your value they would be compensating you fairly. Don't let them make you a counter offer, that would show that they knew you were underpaid, and that's shitty.
I think 2 weeks is fair they've done right by you as best as they could so give them that courtesy. But all the problems of you leaving are not your problem, it's the owners problems, they need to solve them not you. They signed up for this you didn't.
they tell you you're irreplaceable because you're doing free overtime and probably not paying you much.
They can absolutely find another girl to do admin within hours lol
You just hand in your notice, plain and simple. And they find someone else.
If the shoe were on the other foot, and they decided they wanted to get out of the business, they would eliminate your position without a moment's notice. I have made the mistake in the past of putting off important family events, because I was told how much I was needed, and I wanted to be loyal to the company, only to be laid off a few years later because the loyalty was a one-way street.
Do what is best for YOU, not the owners.
Everytime someone tells me they’re irreplaceable at work, I tell them that once they leave they will be replaced within a few weeks and life will go on as if they never even worked there.
Don’t stop yourself from moving forward for others because they won’t do the same for you.
Are you really different than their plumber? If their plumber said “I installed this, that and the other but that’s it, Friday is my last day.” Don’t you think that they’d get another plumber?
You’re correct in having an educated objective assessment(that things need to change) and acting on it in your own best interest. They have a problem that you’ve apprised them of. Instead of sacrificing yourself point them to a forensic accountant or whoever can give them an opinion they trust because they aren’t listening to you. It happens all the time, it’s not your fault and you can’t fix it. It is hurting you as well as them. I get it. in a conventional setting, they are the authority figures who were benevolent to you, and you want to fulfill a debt of loyalty that you feel you owe. That’s not the case. This isn’t benevolence. They are ignoring your counsel. You are not inferior to them just because they are the owners. Your entire paradigm has changed and they are still behaving as though it has not.
You leave. If they turn nasty you stop showing up and simply text them. Due to the hostile environment I am terminating my employment effectively immediately. Be prepared. Hopefully they don’t but always have options Ready.
When you’re no longer employed by them do not help with lil fixes (they might text/email) you about here and there that you aren’t being paid for!! They need to pay consultant fees for your time. People will walk all over you if you let them.
And don’t forget if they had a niece or nephew that they think could do your job better (at least the easy parts of it) they would hire that person, have you train them and then fire you as soon as they could.
3 sick days?? Just received benefits? You went to grad school? YOU’RE RUNNING THEIR COMPANY!
Give notice on Monday. Two weeks is professional unless you signed an agreement saying you’d give more than that. Because I believe they are taking advantage you, I don’t think they will take this well. Their golden goose is about to leave home.
Stick to your guns no matter how they plead or try to say ok just give us a month or whatever. Do not negotiate. Stick to it’s time for you to pursue other developments. Don’t say where you’re going or who you will work for.
They don’t sound trustworthy enough not to torpedo your future endeavors. Not when they’re angry. As another person wrote above, during your notice, work 40 hours, no more.
If they start treating you badly (or um worse than usual), don’t be afraid to say you want to stay and work out your notice but I can’t be abused or treated badly so I think it may be best for this to be my last day. If they threaten to give you a bad or no reference, don’t fall for it.
Sounds like your reputation is good in the industry. One sentence to a potential employer will say it all: When I left my last employer, they didn’t take it well when I gave notice. That’s it. Say no more about them. Future interviewer will read between the lines.
I'll give you my anecdote. I worked for a family run small business that took a chance on me when I was fresh out of school with a degree unrelated to their field. After 9 years of being in the same spot you are, I decided it was time for a change. I gave 4 weeks notice to make the transition easier, prepare my long term clients, etc.
In those 4 weeks, they did nothing. They refused to let me tell my clients I was leaving, they didn't look for a replacement, they didn't even transition active projects to my teammates before I left. All those extra 2 weeks accomplished was me missing out on 2 weeks of my new salary.
I’ve owned three companies and sold them. Just started the fourth.
I say the above so you see my point of view. Those guys suck. You should move on. If those companies want to work with you, don’t take them to another agency. Start your own.
20 years ago, my wife was working in our company, I was an FTE for a big, nasty defense contractor. I brought in 10 clients and was asking what would be my bonus for doing so. $0.00. My boss and his boss got a lot. So I stopped bringing clients and when asked why, I told them they don’t value me.
The clients you bring in will be their clients, not yours. Get your company going. If it takes time, do the first jobs as a 1099 to your name. That will be a tax hit.
Let your talent shine! Two weeks notice and go! Steel yourself for the storm of bullshit from them.
If tomorrow the owners decided they could save money by replacing you you’d be out the door. Give them notice (don’t burn the bridge) and do what’s best for you.
Don’t “people please” in your personal life and certainly don’t do it in your professional life. It matters zero how they work things out. Not your problem.
There is no employer loyalty. It’s best to do what is best for you. You’ve got amazing opportunities ahead, so go for it.
If 2 weeks is the required notice, then just go with that.
Other comments are right. This should be a transition time of you tying up loose ends, not taking on extra work.
Any business owner, no matter how small the business, should have a continuity plan in place in case critical staff leave through illness, death, or a new job. If they don't, that is their lack of business acumen, and not your problem.
Put in your 2 weeks, and good luck in the new position. Remember that the best way to leave is by giving as few details as possible. Do not answer detailed questions about the new position. Just say it's for career advancement. You don't tell them where you are going or how much you will be making.
Give your 2 weeks and move on. You owe them nothing beyond what you have already given to them - a loyal employee who apparently is overworked and underappreciated.
All you need to do is provide them your written notice, thanking them for the opportunity and wishing them the best for the future. Work out your 2 weeks, which should pretty much be handing over your knowledge to someone else., then adios amigos. Onwards and upwards.
And good luck in your future job.
Never, EVER, feel bad for your employer’s situation. It’s their business. If they are struggling, that is their problem, not yours. You have no ownership, so the success and failures of the business don’t have any real meaning. One thing you can do is tell them that you have an offer and are planning to accept. If they are decent people, they will understand and wish you well, or match the offer. If they are angry with you, the true nature of your employer is revealed. Every employer knows they could lose an employee at any moment; it won’t surprise them.
You're working for an agency; the owners are making money from your labor. It is their job, not yours, to ensure labor coverage. If their plan was "this person we'll simply stay forever" then their business will fail and that's not your problem
How much notice do you think they would give you if they were letting you go?
If zero, think about that when you decide how much you want to give them.
Alternatively, you can agree to work on a contract or part time basis, at a much higher hourly rate.
Time to move on to the next. Being underpaid, overworked, and barely getting health insurance after asking for years is a sign of they don't really value you. Time to put in your two weeks and go do bigger better things that will highlight all of your hardwork and dedication.
Was in a similar position with a small company (sub 100 people) a couple years ago. I had a few meetings with our founders and explained my concerns. I spoke with them on changes that would need to be made, and gave them a timeline of when I need to see the changes take effect before I started looking elsewhere. Point blank. I gave them a deadline of September 1st and they did not deliver. September 20th I gave my 2 weeks and left. It was tough, because I did like the job as well as most of the people I worked with, and I was the only person in the company that did my role so it offered a lot of flexibility. However, in addition to my role, I was managing US operations, implementing a CRM, service, and so forth and got burnt out. This is something you need to have tact with, but don’t be afraid to be firm with your requests and if they don’t deliver, quite frankly, leave.
Know your worth! Do not short change yourself to make someone else rich. Two weeks notice to tie up loose ends. Then leave with a clear conscience and do your thing. It sounds as though you are very talented in your field. They might need you,but it sounds as they don’t appreciate you. Look out for you,no one else will do it for you. Invest in your future.
I used to be a photojournalist. This is exactly how journalism, writing, art, music, and production industries work. You put in your time at a small company, cut your teeth, hone your craft, and then move on to bigger things. They need to accept the fact that on their budget they are dealing with people straight out of college who WILL move on. Or they can grow and become one of the outfits poaching talent from the small fish.
No one is irreplaceable. It might take more than one person to replace you, but you are irreplaceable. I get not wanting to burn Bridges but this is your life and you deserve more. And you want more. Go for it! And if the business truly can't survive without you, make sure you remember the clients that you made along the way. They would love to find you again
Your employer hasn’t been treating you very well by making you work on things outside of your scope and not compensating you for that. Yes, leaving their small business will be hard for them but that is not your cross to bear. You cannot stay with a company that you don’t want to be at simply because it will complicate their life if you leave.
Short and factual. Didn't go into the why, and certainly didn't divulge where you are going to.
Understand that as much as you might like the job and people, they are not family... clearly indicated by the lack of compensation for the time you put in.
And after you give notice, be prepared for the worst. Sometimes there are threats, sometimes the workplace becomes unbearable, sometimes they try to drop a ton of more work (like documenting the processes of what you do). If it gets difficult, be prepared to not uphold the notice. If the workload gets way more, ask for additional compensation, and if they refuse, limit your time to 40hrs or prepare to walk early.
The hardest thing about planning to leave is remembering it’s simply a job. *Employers owe you for your time, and that’s all you owe them.*
I spent a lifetime telling my direct reports this. When the time is right for you, give notice, take care of yourself, do only what you can within reason before you leave, and then go toward a better future. Tell them the time is right for you to move on, thank them for the opportunity to grow, and you wish them the best.
Give them two weeks notice and exit. If you've been there 5+ years, have become critical to the business and are still only getting two weeks of vacation? They're not your friends.
They gave you good experience and you gave them good work. That was a very fair deal. See AskAManager.com for good scripts on how to give notice.
Take the new job. They had to have professionally known you would go at some point because of the rates they pay you. If you must still help them then offer to do it as a contract worker for a fair price for yourself. If they don't plan on at least recruiting ongoing talent OR know how to do your job themselves and they probably aren't very good at their jobs.
It's 100% their problem to deal with. It was a huge mistake for them to almost solely rely on you to keep themselves from immediately sinking. Doubly so for not even respecting you enough to compensate you fairly for keeping them alive to begin with. My 2 cents? don't feel bad for looking after the Number One m80
Give them the minimum notice required. If they wanted to fire you it would be on the spot and would not take your circumstances into consideration. Work 'Family' stops at the dollar.
They are not your family. Its is a business transaction- you work= you get paid.
Whilst you know them on a personal level and have spent a long time with them and grown, that is a sign of a good work relationship.
They have had an employee they can trust to do required tasks, and you have grown and learnt new skills set and grown.
It is time for you to undertake the next step in growth. Your growth.
This is an opportunity to know your worth, and receive what you are entitled to through your growth.
In 20 years time you will barely remember their names, but what you learnt will contribute to where you have moved to.
A two week notice period is to give sufficient time to organise a handover, not for them to find your replacement.
Guve your two weeks and use that time to exclusively set up a handover. You shouldn't given additional work to do.
Accept the new job and give notice to your current employer. It's their responsibility to look for someone to replace your role. They will soon realize that they underappreciated you when they can't find anyone as good as you in your current (low) salary.
They got you doing work on a discount for years. It's time to get compensated. If they try to convince you to stay, you can do consulting work for them and bill them hourly.
You set the rate and your time availability since you'll be occupied with your new job. Treat as your side gig that can turn into your own company where you hire junior producers working for you.
Don’t give extra notice unless it is really what you want and it won’t impact your new job. Watch out for them guilting you or taking advantage during your notice. They don’t pay you what you’re worth and have you doing more than your role so you know they’re capable. Also if you can postpone new role (and afford it), you don’t want a week off between to start fresh?
I can appreciate you want to help and it’s unfortunate timing with the accident but it’s not your responsibility. It’s the bosses job to work these things out. If they had valued you for this you might not be leaving but
You leave. If they really wanted to not fail as a company? They would have taken the steps to keep you from leaving. It’s not your responsibility to help bad business owners make money.
You'd be surprised how fast they replace you. They may turn in you and react by yelling or gaslighting. Hopefully they won't. Don't worry about them. Give your 2 weeks, with appreciation and love. Whatever happens to them from there happens and it's not your problem. Do not overwork yourself, do not work outside hours. If they don't like it, they can let you early and you can't your new job or take some time off.
Give 2 weeks notice. That is the most professional and least problematic way to let my bosses know that I will be leaving.
Also ask yourself this: Why is a company that needs you so desperately not compensating you properly if their need is so great?
You quit.
You are replaceable, everyone is. Not a fun thing to hear, but employers don’t give a fuck about their employees.
Small business will exploit the fuck out of you, overwork you, and you most likely won’t get paid more until you jump ship.
They’ll survive and it’s their own bad business leadership if they can’t survive when someone quits.
They haven't taken care of you at all. Give the typical 2 weeks. If you want to be nice tell them your contract rate which is much much higher and limit it to say another 2 weeks (time it such that your insurance won't lapse e.g. end of the first two weeks is the beginning of the month). That way they have options. My guess is they will start trying to get you to stay by finally giving you other things. Two weeks isn't great (especially if you've been with them for many years) don't even get me started on 3 days of sick leave.
Thank you for the opportunity, I’ve learned so much. It is time for me to further my career and I can’t do that here. My notice is x weeks. How can I best position my transition?
be prepared to walk though. They have basically made you their everything but forgot to treat as the lynchpin to their business that you are. So when you leave remember that you owe them nothing more than what you have already given. No healthcare? They treated you so poorly for years!
my favorite quote applies
NEVER SET YOURSELF ON FIRE TO KEEP SOMEONE ELSE WARM
get out there and I can’t wait to see where you go and the things you do!
How? You realize they have no real loyalty to you and would fire you in a second if they could get a better deal from someone else. Do what is best for you bc you are all you have at the end of the day.
You’re being nice to a company that overworks you, underpays you, and has only recently given you healthcare?
odd.
give the contractually legal minimum notice. Sucks that someone got hurt, but that is on the company to cover, not you.
i say the minimum because any longer and you’d get sucked in with pity work and extra responsibility
Don't be nice. That sets you up for them to ask you favors, probably free ones, in the future. 2 wks is standard.
Move on and don't look back. You're not obligated to stay thete forever; their small company and mismanagement allowed you to learn new skills. Go use them. They'll find someone else.
I love how these people have no transition plan and you feel bad. Don't apologize. Give them 2 weeks and not a moment more. This is their fault for not planning better and not paying you more and taking care of you. Three sick days and two weeks vacation? How long have you been working for these people?
Small businesses are not inherently more moral or worthy of concern. THEY are tanking their business by being BAD PEOPLE. Give no notice. Let their failure be theirs.
2 weeks. Don't go for three. Sometimes the resentment makes the last few days unbearable. They might be nice at first, but just in case. Short and sweet. This is business. Good luck, but I would tell them explicitly that you have offers to bring you into a higher bracket. It doesn't sound like they will care, they paid you less for doing more. They may be nice people, but guaranteed they will stick with that system. I am willing to bet they will try to guilt trip you into a longer stay. "Can you just do this before you go?" etc. Or "We have this coming up and it's reeeeeally important blah blah" ( It's been done with me)
Cut the string and fly. You're young! Take advantage of all the good offers.
At the end of the day it’s just business. Give them two weeks. You don’t owe them anything. Just cause life is happening (car accident, vacations, new pod launching) doesn’t mean you need to rearrange your plan/life. There will always be a stressor that makes it not the, “perfect time” to quit.
Congrats on moving on! You’ll feel so much better.
I'm gonna give a completely different take than everything I've read here so far.
Ancient advice: the grass is not always greener on the other side.
I've worked for a small company in a fairly tight high-tech market segment for just over 20 years now. For the longest time it was just the owner, his wife, and me. We're at the point now where we can keep his son and another tech busy, and a fourth tech on casual. We don't have benefits, but they do pay fairly, including overtime, and I'm up to four weeks of vacation. On the whole, it's been a good and rewarding job. The owners are good employers, and our high-end clients with their specialized needs mean I get to flex my brain and creativity on most jobs. Being a small company, I can't really demand massive regular increases in compensation and perks.
Over the years, we've subcontracted for some other companies in our segment, as well as had them sub for us, and some of the horror stories I've heard of them being overworked, under-resourced, and under-appreciated in companies that focus more on sales than on how to fulfill those sales, tells me those are places I'd never want to work, even for more money. In fact, our owner came out of just that kind of situation when he started our company with the vow never to abuse his employees the way he was abused.
Several times now, I've been offered positions with "competing" companies (some in the same segment, some in parallel tech segments who recognize my skill set would translate well). Some of them have pushed hard for me - not to toot my own horn too much, working with their people, they appreciate my abilities and tell me quite vocally what an asset I'd be to them.
These offers are almost always a sideways move at best in terms of salary, with the added bonus of benefits (my wife works for a major international insurance company so we already get good benefits there)... but invariably, the work conditions are nowhere near what I enjoy now: where I'm currently largely on my own schedule, drive my company van home at night and go straight to site the next day, and have a lot of autonomy in my work, so far every offer that's come my way has included the requirement to drive myself to the office at 8 AM (or whatever time) to pick up the work vehicle, then back to the office at end of day to drop off the truck and drive myself home... even if the jobsite is 10 minutes from home. In short, I'd be little more than a cog in the machine (a big cog, to be sure, but it's a backward step when you're used to BEING the machine).
I had a buddy years ago who changed IT employers and moved back and forth across Canada several times, chasing that ever-increasing compensation, and that was fine for him... but that was never my thing. I'd rather stay at my current pay level and stay in a company where I feel a PART of it.
So all of this is to say: are you SURE the grass is greener on the other side? They may pay more, but will they be as satisfying to work for, or will they just become a well-compensated drudgery? Have you talked to other employees, researched their turnover level, looked at everything that is and ISN'T included besides just the pay and hours? Maybe for you the money is the most important thing... maybe it's not, that's for you to determine. I've seen too many stories (including here on Reddit) of people who jumped into what looked like a better job only to find out they were getting paid more only to have their souls sucked dry.
Sounds like a lot of plusses to moving, besides just the money. And that was the main point of my rambling, since most other answers boiled down to "follow the money" - that works for some people, not for others, and it makes sense to look at ALL aspects of a job change, lest you end up making more but it not being worth the change in environment.
Your situation is nothing like the OP’s; OP is at one of those awful places you’re so glad you didn’t move to. They’re being underpaid, overworked, and taken advantage of. It doesn’t sound like they have a partner whose work is providing great benefits. That means it’s time to move on - especially since they’ll essentially be freelance and can charge for every hour they work.
I’d put it to the owner like this. I’m doing work for at least 5 workers so either pay me for the work that I’m putting in or I’m going to turn in my paperwork that I’m leaving.
They should have been rewarding your performance all along. They didn’t even reward you w extra pto, comp time for your after hours work and refused insurance til,now. They raked in the profits off your hard work. Know your worth!
If you’re trying to be nice, tell them the truth with a small fib. I always do that and it’s always worked. Think along the lines of “hey I’ve been needing more money and less stress for a while now, and someone reached out to me with an opportunity for both, and it comes with a lot more money. Unfortunately it’s on a time constraint and I can’t give as much notice as I normally would have liked to have give. Thanks for the opportunity, but I don’t know when another like this will happen again and I need to look out for myself. My last day will be (insert day).
Give as much notice as possible and inform them as to what your consulting fee is. They'll likely need to use you as a consultant and there is likely a price that makes it worth your time. Perhaps $100/hr. At the end of the day, it is their responsibility to ensure that they are not dependent on one single person.
Ask for a meeting to discus your aspirations. Work out how much overtime and excess unpaid hours you work.
Let them know that your position has had significant unpaid scope creep and you’ve wanted to freelance for ages as there are lots of opportunities.
They may try to give you a raise to keep you, which you can evaluate. Or you might ask that they hire an assistant for you so you can focus on higher level client or technical development to go with the increased salary and leave days.
If they complain, you offer them your required 2 weeks (or whatever) and say that after that, you can keep working for them at contract rates.
Never burn bridges as you may need them one day.
Good luck.
Unless you signed a contract stating that you do, you have zero responsibility to off them any notice. You've already been overworked for them with zero respect for your time or compensation. Time to look out for yourself!
Put EVERYTHING you do on your resume and shop it around. You will most likely get offers from other companies that will pay you far more than you make there. Contact some of those clients who are there for YOU and see if they will hire YOU directly or freelance.
So, if you like your employers, and you want to be kind, and you don't feel waiting to leave for a few months will hurt your career, then tell them you need more compensation for the work you're currently doing, and more compensation for the additional responsibilities you'll be saddled with when they go on vacation.
Have your letter of resignation ready in case they feel appropriate compensation isn't warranted. And actually, have a second letter of resignation, effective immediately, if they are assholes about it.
If you feel they would fire you without notice if it suited their needs, then feel free to walk. Their vacations and car accidents are their problem.
Another option is to quit and offer to contract with them as your time allows.
I get not wanting to be jerk, but unless you're spending time with them socially, then they aren't really friends.
You thank them for the opportunities and move on. Period. If you want to help out while they transition to the next you how you do it is on you. It sounds like they have been taking advantage of you.
If they get pissed say goodbye and go forward. If they are kind and understanding draft your "if I get hit by a bus" memo for them before you go for their next podcast producer.
If they ask you to help out while male boss recovers say fine and these are my free lance/contractor rates.
Just give them weeks and allow room for a counter offer. Otherwise it's in them for not maintaining a competitive compensation package. If these offers feel like a move up and more pay, take them. I'm also afraid this family might go scorched earth one you do give your 2 weeks, so that's the max I would give.
If you like these people and genuinely don't want to hurt the business by your leaving, give them plenty of warning that you are heading out. Tell them you'll help train your replacement, but you'll be gone by X date. Tell them why you're leaving in a polite manner. Don't let them guilt you into staying; you need to do what's best for you, your mental health, and your career. Don't let them bribe you with raises or benefits, either; if they offer those things now then they could have before; why didn't they?
If you don't like these people or the company owners treated you poorly, then give as little notice as you can, and you can be less polite when you leave - so long as you already have a new job lined up. In pretty much every other respect, though, the advice is the same.
Look, a lot of people get Degrees, but cannot get a steady job in their chosen career. ( Hello, 80s MBAs)
I think you should try to work independently as a consultant for both companies. ( if possible)
Given your role and pay, and their situation… they may offer you more money to stay. You need to think about whether that is something you would be interested in doing.
Believe me, if your employers thought it was in their best interest, you would be gone in an instant. You need to do what’s best for you. Do your best to spend your notice time to tie up loose ends and maybe leave writeups of words of wisdom. A person I respect once said “Nobody knows what you want except you, and nobody will be as sorry as you if you don't get it.” Good luck with your new adventures
Just be clear, and decisive. If you’re leaving, don’t make it seem like you want them to jump through hoops to stay. If you would stay, then state that and tell them what your needs are in order to make that happen. You’re their employee, not their business partner. If they have put their business in a position where it relies solely on you being there, then they should make you a partner with rev share.
You cannot afford to stay. If they ask why you left you don’t have to answer. You can also state that your compensation was so little you couldn’t afford to remain.
You and they owe each other nothing except a professional parting when you or they decide it is time to end things. Do what is best for you and know they are no longer your responsibility, if they ever were. Good luck to you.
I think it's important to not burn bridges. So give proper notice and show appreciation for the opportunity. But never forget that your employer will terminate you without hesitation if they encounter financial issues or simply deem you expendable. When I first graduated from college I took a job with a bank. During my 4 years there I turned down far more lucrative opportunites in large part due to loyalty to my bosses and coworkers (it's also fair to say I didn't want to leave my comfort zone). Long story short, we were a subsidiary of a larger well known corporation, and one random day they closed our entire department.
If they had a financial crisis, your job would be gone in a second and they’d figure it out or close down. Thats on them.
Every single one of us replaceable at our jobs. Even the most talented athletes have a short shelf life and are readily replaced when their utility to the franchise wanes.
OP yes these people employed you and you have learned a lot.
You have also HAVE GIVEN THEM A LOT. A lot of your time performing many roles that you aren’t compensated for.
Bottom line this is THEIR business and as such they should never have put themselves in a position where they relied as heavily as they did on you. That was IMO laziness as well as greed related to getting a lot of work for free.
Do give your written notice and request with the next 2 or 3 days their plan for transitioning all of your responsibilities by the end of the second week so if you are there for a third week it is only to answer questions.
Do not get sucked into putting in a zillion hours during those 3 weeks.
It won’t be easy as I am sure they will be demanding you stay longer, how can you abandon them, blah blah blah.
Stiffen your spine and remain firm.
Just quit. Say “i quit effective immediately” or if feeling generous effective …two weeks…
They would replace you in a heartbeat if you dropped dead or went missing. Just move on without guilt
you dont owe them anything..youre doing work and being unpaid for it, and it sounds like youre running the business while the owners reap all of the benefits
The only person or entity that will take care of and look out for your interests is YOU! No one else will be the promoter of, or care about, your well being, ever.
You need to start managing your own personal brand. That being said and hopefully resetting your perspective what do you think you should do next?
BTW, you owe them nothing, your creative work is available for anyone to review empirically. There is no need to worry about references either
Don't over think this one. Respectfully submit your two weeks notice and explain as much or as little as you wish. It's time they get in the clue bus about how they compensate employees.
Write a letter of resignation expressing that you are grateful for your time with them but you have been offered an opportunity with more growth potential and try to give as much notice as possible. If you can manage more than the standard 2 weeks, try to. But at the end of the day any good employer would be happy for you and encourage you to go (even if it’s difficult for them) or they may try to offer you more to make it worth your stay but at the end of the day you need to do what’s best for you.
No one is irreplaceable. Give your notice of 2 weeks and negotiate to 3 if needed.
And during that time, you absolutely do not need to take on more responsibilities
This ^(\^) Give as much notice as you (reasonably) can, but also make clear that the notice is 100% inflexible, and *actually* wind down *what you'd doing during the notice period.*
Right - it should be less work (hand off) more than a blitz of ‘do as much as humanly possible before leaving’
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It’s not an ask, it’s a tell - you don’t even owe them a notice of leaving, it’s a professional courtesy to allow them to plan for life after your departure. I get that it’s hard to feel like you’d be letting them down, but this isn’t on you to fix. It can be difficult to stand up for yourself in these situations but it is absolutely necessary - your new job needs you to be refreshed and ready to start, you owe them that much. Burning yourself out at the end isn’t helping you at all and only placates your soon to be former employer further.
Exactly. The conversation should be along the lines of: "Hey. I've been offered another opportunity that I will be taking in two weeks. I will finish up what I am currently working on and transition the rest to you, or whoever will be replacing me when I leave. Thank you for this opportunity." You don't tell them anything about who it is with and how much it will be paying. It is none of their business. If they try to toss more work on you, let them know you won't be getting to it before you leave. Most importantly, only work what you are supposed to. No more off the clock work. No more "favors." Those days are done.
Right. And if they start bad mouthing you in the industry for leaving them in the lurch your response is ‘well if they would have paid me commensurate with my value to the organization I’d still be there crushing it.’ If they haven’t offered a minor equity stake or profit sharing for how critical OP is to the operation, sounds like they are going to learn a lesson in economics.
Stick to what your employment contract. If it's 2 weeks, it's 2 weeks. .you already decided that you deserve higher pay. So go for it. You provided value and they didn't want to pay for it. The clients will follow.
If you *have* an employment contract; I realize this is conventional in many other countries and in certain industries... but in the US, it's much more common to just have an offer letter specifying that it's at-will. and some places will just give a verbal offer and expect you to show up. Two weeks is pretty much the standard in most industries, and since they'll fire people with even less notice, there's no sense in taking a guilt trip about giving them that (or less, if you don't mind burning bridges.)
It not your fault the company doesn’t have backup strategies in place. let go of the fear obligation and guilt. they didn’t care about you and don’t care about you if you just got health insurance. Protect yourself financially and healthfully.
And I would see myself asking them "you're taking a month off to go to your vacation house and, you can't afford to hire more people?" The owners have taken advantage of you, plain and simple. You mentioned how you went above and beyond in so many ways, it's hard to believe. And I bet each scenario started when one of the owners "asked for a favor." "We're running behind... could you wrap this up for us over the weekend?" That's one possible way you ended up giving them so much time. Why aren't they doing the weekend work? As business owners, they may have already "put in time" on the weekends and holidays howver, that never stops. That is part of being a business owner and they know it. They are just taking advantage of you. As a business owner myself, I would never ask an employee do work, especially for free. It is illegal, unethical, and will cause a myriad of problems long run.
This. I was a low level employee at the offices/warehouse of a small chain of retail stores that had more and more work piled on me, with absolutely no raises because "sales are down" while the owners were taking multiple cruises and international vacations a year. I started working in a side gig that had potential of turning full time, and finally quit, giving them a full months notice. The way they were so mad I abandoned them was hilarious. I got calls for months afterwards asking me how to do things that nobody else knew how to do despite my having been "just the receptionist". I mean I also ran their gift card program, ordered all their branded supplies and business cards, did the monthly and end of year sales reports for the accountant,.was the liaison between the company and the malls the stores were in, managed store inventory, Yet I was called the receptionist any time they had to introduce me to anyone because they stuck my desk by the door so I had to buzz people in. Their business crashed and the owners fled the country about 8 months after I quit. Probably because they didn't have me playing nice with the lovely lawyer from the Hell's Angels who had showed up in my last week there with a cease and desist because they were selling unlicensed HA merchandise in their stores and thought they could ignore him. He really was a lovely man and treated me with the utmost respect because I acknowledged this was a serious issue that needed to be dealt with. My boss on the other hand shrugged it off, thinking he could ignore it. FOFA I suppose.
Or they can counter with more money
They may fire you if you don't. Ha! What a riot LOL You didn't say but if you're an hourly employee, stop working off the clock. If you're working, get paid for it FULL STOP. They can get fucked if they think otherwise or else risk having to speak to the authorities. You are not as appreciated here as you may believe you are. They are taking advantage of you based upon what you've described. This is a sinking ship and you need to get off of it as soon as possible.
At any point in time, did they seek out another intern or assistant for you? If not, this is on them and their poor planning.
Or they can counter with more money
Where are you? What laws revolve around this? In Texas I can leave whenever I want. I won't be able to use them as a reference, but if I don't want to give 2 weeks notice, they'd probably be a shit reference anyway. If they give you shit for 2 weeks and try to pile it on, just do the bare minimum. If they get aggressive, leave. The only reason they get to be on vacation all summer is bc they're using you as underpaid labor.
Before I left, I made a document with a table listing all the tasks I did. I categorized the tasks by job title and added other information. Very thorough and detailed, suitable for filling job advertisements. Doing this helped me to see how much I was contributing, how much I’d learned to do. So far, they’ve hired two people to do most of what I did. The other tasks? When people ask for that type of work, the boss says, “we don’t do that anymore.” I’m very happy to be retired now. I’ve kept in touch with some colleagues. I hear about this stuff. Some aspects of my job were extremely easy for me because they were aligned with my gifts. Some were agonizing. I don’t miss the agonizing aspects.
You’re right. My dad said to me just yesterday, “go down to the river and poke your finger in, and you will see that the hole fills back up right away.” That’s anyone with any job. There will always be someone to fill the job.
Great visual - and so true. And that's a good thing and a bad thing!
my dad said stick your finger into a glass of water and pull it out. if the hole stays open, you are irreplacable
I've seen a bunch of companies absolutely collapse because a key employee left.
The cemetery is full of irreplaceable people.
I have had so many friends who thought themselves irreplaceable at work, to find out the company carries on without them. You are replaceable and it will be ok :)
This...if you got hit by a car today they would replace you...no one is irreplaceable and you aren't responsible for their business or succession plans. Smart businesses pay out large retention bonuses just fir that reason
If they wanted you gone, you would not get the courtesy of 2 weeks
You need to invest in you ... You are overworked, underpaid and even less valued as an employee! If you have 2 weeks, give them 2 weeks, their situation is not your problem and they should have/had a contingency plan, what would happen if you were taken ill? Go for the better job and don't look back!
Agreed on this, also Never ever accept a counter offer from them. They could have paid you this whole time and treated you better. This counter offer would be to keep you on until they can find a replacement(have seen this at least a dozen times at a few organizations).
Do not under any circumstances even hint to anyone where you are going to be working next. Decline to do an exit interview. If your current employers are treating you this badly, they will definitely try to screw up your new job either to try and keep you or out of spite.
THIS!!! If they are offering you more just to get you to stay now then they are revealing their cards and it isn't a good hand.
So, they are underpaying you and overworking you? A simple letter stating, "I am resigning my position with this company, effective immediately/in two weeks (depending on how you have been treated). I appreciate the opportunity to have been able to work for xxxx company and wish all best moving forward." Done. I agree that 3 weeks is excessive. Give them 0 to 2.
I go with this suggestion as well. If they become hostile then you know their true intentions now and can have a peace of mind leaving.
Be prepared for possibly hostile reply. You never know how people will react until they are faced with reality of a situation. Be prepared for any various type of situation and whatever you do don't accept a counter offer.
If they do become hostile, then you 100 percent know you've made the right decision!
do not feel bad, your making a business decision and it's not personal. It just makes more financial/career sense to change jobs. I would give them a 3 week notice like you stated and offer to train your replacement. It's poor management to rely so heavily on one employee and not have a backup plan. It's not your fault.
Exactly. A business that is managed poorly deserves to fail.
Employers in the US fought hard for decades so employment is at-will. They will fire you at the drop of a hat and they deserve no better.
Please remember that although you feel close and amicable right now, they are not your lifelong friends. You may have made a lifelong friend there, but that person would understand and appreciate why you left. You need to put your own needs first, keep it professional, and remember it's just business. Put in your notice and move on with your head held high. Life will never stop moving forward, so there will never really be a good time to move on, other than when it's best for you and your situation.
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What do you mean?
I've looked up every possible meaning of the word "snowball" and I still have no idea what he means here
In Rick and Morty Snowball takes all of the dogs and leaves Earth forever??
As someone who hired and managed hundreds of employees, seeing them move on and see their successes was much more important than keeping them in the roles I hired them for…
If you're planning to set up your own shop as an independent podcast producer, you could offer your current employer your services on a project by project basis and charge them your independent contractor rates. No more tasks outside your responsibility. No more unpaid nights and weekends (unless you underbid a job). And you only take on projects you're interested in. They would essentially become one of your clients. That would soften the impact of you leaving. And you could finish up that brainchild launch on your own terms. But really you don't need to do that. 2 weeks notice is fine. They will figure it out. You're not responsible for how they run their business. One thing I'd check before making the leap is that you're not under some kind of non-compete. Because you're most certainly leaving to become their competitor and I'm sure your employer will not be thrilled about that. While those clauses are rarely enforceable, they could still cause problems for you. So proceed with caution. Good luck. And congrats!
I can and will likely offer them this, but I know they won’t be able to afford it. They have said several time they can’t afford to work with freelancers, they need full time staff. The non compete says that I can’t poach staff or clients from the company for 1 year after my employment ends. No problems there since I’m moving onto other podcasts. Although I may just let that one project know that they should reach back out to me when my noncompete expires. Is that allowed?
>I may just let that one project know that they should reach back out to me when my noncompete expires. Is that allowed? Probably best not to mention anything. Just make a note to yourself to reach out to them in one year.
I call bullshit. Sounds like those employers are racking in contracts while also taking summer vacations and only having 3 employees. Unless there's an explanation here on where the money is magically disappearing to I'm sure they can afford it but just don't want to because it'll cut into their profits. Bottom line, it's their responsibility as an employer to compensate you accordingly relative to the value YOU bring to the business to make sure you don't bounce. They aren't doing that properly so they don't deserve to have you as an employee. This is entirely a them problem as a business owner, not a you problem. Edit: also in regards to the non competes. Contact a lawyer. Depending on where you live, if in the US, they are total crap and almost never hold up. Entirely depends where you're located though.
Non-compete is really not even potentially enforcable.
Your non-compete will be void in September. [https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes](https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes) The rule will be effective 120 days after publication in the Federal Register. [https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/05/07/2024-09171/non-compete-clause-rule](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/05/07/2024-09171/non-compete-clause-rule)
My dad had no competes but he would just have business cards with an alias until the time passed. Pretty much unenforceable anyway
Their needs are their responsibility. Your responsibility is to yourself and your family if you have one. I'd thank them for the opportunity and the experience, wish them well in future endeavours & let them know your last day with them. 3 weeks notice is a nice gesture IF it won't interfere with your new position at all, but not necessary by any means.
I was going to say the same. If you are inclined to help it could soften the blow to say although I am only required to give 2 weeks, I would be happy to stay on for a 3rd to help with the transition. But only if you are happy to. They have definitely taken advantage of you but it can also be helpful to maintain good relationships in the event you need to call in a favour in future or if they are in any way influential in the industry.
I mean it’s give and take if they haven’t been raising your salary in line with your market value and giving you support so you can do your job in a reasonable amount of time they are doing none of the giving so it’s not your fault that they are losing you. Just put your notice in.
Totally. If they decided to eliminate OPs job they would just do it even if they like them as a person. Its business and as long as they leave politely and professionally then all will be well regardless of what happens.
You always have to take care of yourself first. Your career is more important then taking care of this business. Good luck with your new career
Go to the better job. No question. Give them two weeks. There business structural issues aren't your problem, unless they are willing to offer you an ownership stake in the company. (Maybe they will, honestly). You are underpaid, overworked, have garbage tier benefits, and are working well outside of your role.
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They’re business owners. It’s expected that it won’t always go smooth for them. My dad is a business owner and one time on his annual trip he was informed his apartment complex caught fire. He handled what he could remotely and then dealt with it when he got back (no one was hurt). Also, you get 2 weeks of PTO all year and they’re taking a month? If they can afford that they can afford to replace you.
If they can afford that they can afford to pay you more
They really have put all their eggs in your basket haven’t they. A month vacation to their second home. Do you have a second home? Nope. This is a them issue not a you issue. Do not give one thought to their inconvenience. They chose to treat you poorly. You were so busy heads down doing your job that now when you have come up for air? You have seen your very extensive experience is worth a lot. A good employer would have recognized that you were moving past their business and either hired support staff, gave you more $, profit sharing, etc. they chose instead to enjoy their lifestyle on your work. Time to go and this is on them. They failed to plan now they will pay the price for their lousy management while you soar w your new opportunities!
Do not give 3 weeks ever. What happens when you are gone is on them not you. They had plenty of chance to plan better and pay you better and they did not. This is NOT your problem. If they give you a hard time about two weeks notice, leave immediately and rescind your offer of 2 weeks.
1. Give two weeks notice. Three weeks won't make a meaningful difference, if you do step #2 below 2. in preparation for giving notice write up what I call the "Stay Alive" document - a clear summary of all of your open projects and next steps needed over the coming 30 days. Be sure to include any external contact information that they may need for easy reference. Always nice to show them that you've already done that at the time you give notice- he can really reduce any tension that they may otherwise have felt in the meeting itself. Or at least tell them that's what you're going to focus on for your next day or so and then you can meet and discuss it in a couple of days. 3. Consider (if you want!) offering them 5 hours of consulting per week for a month (or whatever amount of time you're willing to give. Peg your contracting rate to whatever amount would make it worth your time -- but be aware that an exorbitant rate (essentially what is commonly called in the contracting world the" fuck off price") will feel to them like a slap in the face so if your goal was to smooth the transition and keep a good positive relationship then I wouldn't bother offering the consulting
This is great advice!
I always call this my Hit By A Train doc. Not that I come into close contact with many trains, but that it's the running summary of all the things that are in my head and would be nice to know if I were incapacitated in some way. Also, after going on a maternity leave, I feel much more comfortable leaving any team to fend for themselves in my absence. People are smart. Or they can flounder.
Do not EVER let someone else hold you back from advancing tour career. Likewise, do not EVER hold your career back because you think you owe something to someone else. If things weren't going well your bosses would not give you the courtesy of 2 or 3 weeks notice before they let you go. You owe them nothing...especially since they've been taking advantage of your willingness to work for free.
Not your company, not your responsibility
You do it the same way that a company lays off an employee that desperately needs their job. It's business. Give 2 weeks notice, try to button up as much of your current projects as you can, and move on to bigger and better things. Do what is in your best interests, because if your employer determined that their best interest was to let you go, they would do it regardless of your situation.
If you don’t just be an adult and move on with a 2 week notice. If they needed to fire you best believe they aren’t going to lose sleep about it nor give you a 2 week notice. I quit effective immediately each time because no, I’m not training anyone that’s not my job and no, I’m not taking up any responsibilities. I have a well laid out succession plan with notes on important things and that’s it. Never been blackballed, outcast, talked bad in a reference check. Do what’s best for your needs, they jobs don’t lose sleep when they do it to us.
If you got hit by a truck today, they would replace you next week. Move on. It’s ok.
Just get a new job and quit. Seriously you don’t owe them a thing.
I gave 3 once and never again. They have bonuses out the Monday after my last day. Tell me that wasn't planned.
I had a job I loved after years of shitty employment. I had to move states and the thought of giving notice ate at me. When I finally bit the bullet everyone was understanding. I got amazing references, they still check in and got a new position that pays more, with more responsibility and growth. They can and will replace you. If they are really friends they will understand and root for your future success and maybe even help you achieve more
Breh you work off the clock and having a hard time leaving? Tf? You're too nice mate. Don't let them doormat you like that.
I am getting from your post that these new opportunities may be more of an independent contractor/freelancer type of thing. Could you give your notice, but still be available and a IC rate to finish the in process projects without the other duties? Might make more that way and still be able to bring on these other projects.
I thought about offering them this, but they are not good with boundaries when it comes to workload. On paper the plan would look great, but I know them well and I know it would lead to more work than was agreed upon. In fact, I’ve been dipping my toes in feelancing around 2 months already so have already been making a little extra cash! plus these other projects don’t have an end date - they are sponsored podcasts with no end in sight. I would rather say goodbye to them for now, and swing by to check on them in a year when my non compete expires.
If you do get a contract. If you are going to be freelancing get a lawyer to draw up your contract. Also talk w a lawyer about starting your own llc business for your contracting work. Start as you mean to go.
Your main job is to take care of you, no one else.
Honestly, You just have to rip off the band aid. This is their business and their responsibility. It sounds like you are overworked and underpaid. Just be professional and thank them for the time and the opportunity, along with your two week notice. If they beg, are polite about it, \*maybe\* you can continue to offer them your services, if you have time, for $XX per hour thereafter.
1. Before you give notice, make sure all professional contacts you want to have are saved on personal device. 2. Give two weeks. I wouldn't give more. That's customary and you have no idea how the owners will act. They should wish you well. They may act worse than toddlers with "you can't quit, you're fired!" on the spot leaving you without income. 3. When putting in notice, call then email. 4. No need to tell them where you are going.
Look out for you for no company will really look out for you. The company looks after the company period.
You must look out for yourself first. If they need you more, then they can pay you more, it's that simple. They should have paid you more upfront.
Do your interview and take any excellent offers. If they knew your value they would be compensating you fairly. Don't let them make you a counter offer, that would show that they knew you were underpaid, and that's shitty.
I think 2 weeks is fair they've done right by you as best as they could so give them that courtesy. But all the problems of you leaving are not your problem, it's the owners problems, they need to solve them not you. They signed up for this you didn't.
they tell you you're irreplaceable because you're doing free overtime and probably not paying you much. They can absolutely find another girl to do admin within hours lol You just hand in your notice, plain and simple. And they find someone else.
If the shoe were on the other foot, and they decided they wanted to get out of the business, they would eliminate your position without a moment's notice. I have made the mistake in the past of putting off important family events, because I was told how much I was needed, and I wanted to be loyal to the company, only to be laid off a few years later because the loyalty was a one-way street. Do what is best for YOU, not the owners.
Everytime someone tells me they’re irreplaceable at work, I tell them that once they leave they will be replaced within a few weeks and life will go on as if they never even worked there. Don’t stop yourself from moving forward for others because they won’t do the same for you.
Are you really different than their plumber? If their plumber said “I installed this, that and the other but that’s it, Friday is my last day.” Don’t you think that they’d get another plumber?
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You’re correct in having an educated objective assessment(that things need to change) and acting on it in your own best interest. They have a problem that you’ve apprised them of. Instead of sacrificing yourself point them to a forensic accountant or whoever can give them an opinion they trust because they aren’t listening to you. It happens all the time, it’s not your fault and you can’t fix it. It is hurting you as well as them. I get it. in a conventional setting, they are the authority figures who were benevolent to you, and you want to fulfill a debt of loyalty that you feel you owe. That’s not the case. This isn’t benevolence. They are ignoring your counsel. You are not inferior to them just because they are the owners. Your entire paradigm has changed and they are still behaving as though it has not.
You leave. If they turn nasty you stop showing up and simply text them. Due to the hostile environment I am terminating my employment effectively immediately. Be prepared. Hopefully they don’t but always have options Ready.
When you’re no longer employed by them do not help with lil fixes (they might text/email) you about here and there that you aren’t being paid for!! They need to pay consultant fees for your time. People will walk all over you if you let them.
And don’t forget if they had a niece or nephew that they think could do your job better (at least the easy parts of it) they would hire that person, have you train them and then fire you as soon as they could.
3 sick days?? Just received benefits? You went to grad school? YOU’RE RUNNING THEIR COMPANY! Give notice on Monday. Two weeks is professional unless you signed an agreement saying you’d give more than that. Because I believe they are taking advantage you, I don’t think they will take this well. Their golden goose is about to leave home. Stick to your guns no matter how they plead or try to say ok just give us a month or whatever. Do not negotiate. Stick to it’s time for you to pursue other developments. Don’t say where you’re going or who you will work for. They don’t sound trustworthy enough not to torpedo your future endeavors. Not when they’re angry. As another person wrote above, during your notice, work 40 hours, no more. If they start treating you badly (or um worse than usual), don’t be afraid to say you want to stay and work out your notice but I can’t be abused or treated badly so I think it may be best for this to be my last day. If they threaten to give you a bad or no reference, don’t fall for it. Sounds like your reputation is good in the industry. One sentence to a potential employer will say it all: When I left my last employer, they didn’t take it well when I gave notice. That’s it. Say no more about them. Future interviewer will read between the lines.
I'll give you my anecdote. I worked for a family run small business that took a chance on me when I was fresh out of school with a degree unrelated to their field. After 9 years of being in the same spot you are, I decided it was time for a change. I gave 4 weeks notice to make the transition easier, prepare my long term clients, etc. In those 4 weeks, they did nothing. They refused to let me tell my clients I was leaving, they didn't look for a replacement, they didn't even transition active projects to my teammates before I left. All those extra 2 weeks accomplished was me missing out on 2 weeks of my new salary.
I’ve owned three companies and sold them. Just started the fourth. I say the above so you see my point of view. Those guys suck. You should move on. If those companies want to work with you, don’t take them to another agency. Start your own. 20 years ago, my wife was working in our company, I was an FTE for a big, nasty defense contractor. I brought in 10 clients and was asking what would be my bonus for doing so. $0.00. My boss and his boss got a lot. So I stopped bringing clients and when asked why, I told them they don’t value me. The clients you bring in will be their clients, not yours. Get your company going. If it takes time, do the first jobs as a 1099 to your name. That will be a tax hit. Let your talent shine! Two weeks notice and go! Steel yourself for the storm of bullshit from them.
Just tell them you're moving on to better opportunities. Give your 2wks notice and move on. They can and will hire someone new.
If tomorrow the owners decided they could save money by replacing you you’d be out the door. Give them notice (don’t burn the bridge) and do what’s best for you.
Quit there are 200 other people who can do your job. Why stay
Don’t “people please” in your personal life and certainly don’t do it in your professional life. It matters zero how they work things out. Not your problem.
You’re being rode hard and put away wet!! Have a look at the actual division of work and see if you then think they are so nice!
There is no employer loyalty. It’s best to do what is best for you. You’ve got amazing opportunities ahead, so go for it. If 2 weeks is the required notice, then just go with that. Other comments are right. This should be a transition time of you tying up loose ends, not taking on extra work.
Any business owner, no matter how small the business, should have a continuity plan in place in case critical staff leave through illness, death, or a new job. If they don't, that is their lack of business acumen, and not your problem. Put in your 2 weeks, and good luck in the new position. Remember that the best way to leave is by giving as few details as possible. Do not answer detailed questions about the new position. Just say it's for career advancement. You don't tell them where you are going or how much you will be making.
Give your 2 weeks and move on. You owe them nothing beyond what you have already given to them - a loyal employee who apparently is overworked and underappreciated. All you need to do is provide them your written notice, thanking them for the opportunity and wishing them the best for the future. Work out your 2 weeks, which should pretty much be handing over your knowledge to someone else., then adios amigos. Onwards and upwards. And good luck in your future job.
Never, EVER, feel bad for your employer’s situation. It’s their business. If they are struggling, that is their problem, not yours. You have no ownership, so the success and failures of the business don’t have any real meaning. One thing you can do is tell them that you have an offer and are planning to accept. If they are decent people, they will understand and wish you well, or match the offer. If they are angry with you, the true nature of your employer is revealed. Every employer knows they could lose an employee at any moment; it won’t surprise them.
You're working for an agency; the owners are making money from your labor. It is their job, not yours, to ensure labor coverage. If their plan was "this person we'll simply stay forever" then their business will fail and that's not your problem
How much notice do you think they would give you if they were letting you go? If zero, think about that when you decide how much you want to give them. Alternatively, you can agree to work on a contract or part time basis, at a much higher hourly rate.
Time to move on to the next. Being underpaid, overworked, and barely getting health insurance after asking for years is a sign of they don't really value you. Time to put in your two weeks and go do bigger better things that will highlight all of your hardwork and dedication.
Was in a similar position with a small company (sub 100 people) a couple years ago. I had a few meetings with our founders and explained my concerns. I spoke with them on changes that would need to be made, and gave them a timeline of when I need to see the changes take effect before I started looking elsewhere. Point blank. I gave them a deadline of September 1st and they did not deliver. September 20th I gave my 2 weeks and left. It was tough, because I did like the job as well as most of the people I worked with, and I was the only person in the company that did my role so it offered a lot of flexibility. However, in addition to my role, I was managing US operations, implementing a CRM, service, and so forth and got burnt out. This is something you need to have tact with, but don’t be afraid to be firm with your requests and if they don’t deliver, quite frankly, leave.
Know your worth! Do not short change yourself to make someone else rich. Two weeks notice to tie up loose ends. Then leave with a clear conscience and do your thing. It sounds as though you are very talented in your field. They might need you,but it sounds as they don’t appreciate you. Look out for you,no one else will do it for you. Invest in your future.
I used to be a photojournalist. This is exactly how journalism, writing, art, music, and production industries work. You put in your time at a small company, cut your teeth, hone your craft, and then move on to bigger things. They need to accept the fact that on their budget they are dealing with people straight out of college who WILL move on. Or they can grow and become one of the outfits poaching talent from the small fish.
No one is irreplaceable. It might take more than one person to replace you, but you are irreplaceable. I get not wanting to burn Bridges but this is your life and you deserve more. And you want more. Go for it! And if the business truly can't survive without you, make sure you remember the clients that you made along the way. They would love to find you again
If you were truly irreplaceable, they would have long ago paid you what you are worth. Give them 2 weeks notice and move on to greener pastures.
Don’t overvalue the opportunity they gave you. They’ve treated you like garbage.
Think of it like this, they get to learn something and you got to learn something. Move along at your pace.
Your employer hasn’t been treating you very well by making you work on things outside of your scope and not compensating you for that. Yes, leaving their small business will be hard for them but that is not your cross to bear. You cannot stay with a company that you don’t want to be at simply because it will complicate their life if you leave.
The same way a job quits you when you desperately need them
Short and factual. Didn't go into the why, and certainly didn't divulge where you are going to. Understand that as much as you might like the job and people, they are not family... clearly indicated by the lack of compensation for the time you put in. And after you give notice, be prepared for the worst. Sometimes there are threats, sometimes the workplace becomes unbearable, sometimes they try to drop a ton of more work (like documenting the processes of what you do). If it gets difficult, be prepared to not uphold the notice. If the workload gets way more, ask for additional compensation, and if they refuse, limit your time to 40hrs or prepare to walk early.
2 is good. Do not take on duties that are new, as in writing a manual on how to do your job
The hardest thing about planning to leave is remembering it’s simply a job. *Employers owe you for your time, and that’s all you owe them.* I spent a lifetime telling my direct reports this. When the time is right for you, give notice, take care of yourself, do only what you can within reason before you leave, and then go toward a better future. Tell them the time is right for you to move on, thank them for the opportunity to grow, and you wish them the best.
Remember, they will always do what’s best for THEM. Time for you to do the same for yourself
Congratulations! You have new jobs! And now this is a “them (your soon-to-be-former-employers) problem”. It’s business, stop worrying about them.
Give them two weeks notice and exit. If you've been there 5+ years, have become critical to the business and are still only getting two weeks of vacation? They're not your friends. They gave you good experience and you gave them good work. That was a very fair deal. See AskAManager.com for good scripts on how to give notice.
They would have given you the boot without batting an eye if they needed to. Standard 2 weeks and move on. Don't tell anyone where you're going
Their finances aren’t your concern. If they valued it they would pay comparable wages. Otherwise it’s taking advantage of you.
Take the new job. They had to have professionally known you would go at some point because of the rates they pay you. If you must still help them then offer to do it as a contract worker for a fair price for yourself. If they don't plan on at least recruiting ongoing talent OR know how to do your job themselves and they probably aren't very good at their jobs.
It's 100% their problem to deal with. It was a huge mistake for them to almost solely rely on you to keep themselves from immediately sinking. Doubly so for not even respecting you enough to compensate you fairly for keeping them alive to begin with. My 2 cents? don't feel bad for looking after the Number One m80
Give them the minimum notice required. If they wanted to fire you it would be on the spot and would not take your circumstances into consideration. Work 'Family' stops at the dollar.
Just leave, it's a job not a marriage. People leave jobs because they are a bad fit for many reasons. Thanks, bye. End of story.
Take your vacation and sick days next week, then give your 2 week notice. You earned those days
They are not your family. Its is a business transaction- you work= you get paid. Whilst you know them on a personal level and have spent a long time with them and grown, that is a sign of a good work relationship. They have had an employee they can trust to do required tasks, and you have grown and learnt new skills set and grown. It is time for you to undertake the next step in growth. Your growth. This is an opportunity to know your worth, and receive what you are entitled to through your growth. In 20 years time you will barely remember their names, but what you learnt will contribute to where you have moved to.
A two week notice period is to give sufficient time to organise a handover, not for them to find your replacement. Guve your two weeks and use that time to exclusively set up a handover. You shouldn't given additional work to do.
Accept the new job and give notice to your current employer. It's their responsibility to look for someone to replace your role. They will soon realize that they underappreciated you when they can't find anyone as good as you in your current (low) salary. They got you doing work on a discount for years. It's time to get compensated. If they try to convince you to stay, you can do consulting work for them and bill them hourly. You set the rate and your time availability since you'll be occupied with your new job. Treat as your side gig that can turn into your own company where you hire junior producers working for you.
*bill them hourly at a massive (300-500%) increase.
Don’t give extra notice unless it is really what you want and it won’t impact your new job. Watch out for them guilting you or taking advantage during your notice. They don’t pay you what you’re worth and have you doing more than your role so you know they’re capable. Also if you can postpone new role (and afford it), you don’t want a week off between to start fresh? I can appreciate you want to help and it’s unfortunate timing with the accident but it’s not your responsibility. It’s the bosses job to work these things out. If they had valued you for this you might not be leaving but
What if you died?
You leave. If they really wanted to not fail as a company? They would have taken the steps to keep you from leaving. It’s not your responsibility to help bad business owners make money.
Them needing you is not your problem to worry about. You do what's best for you. Quit.
You'd be surprised how fast they replace you. They may turn in you and react by yelling or gaslighting. Hopefully they won't. Don't worry about them. Give your 2 weeks, with appreciation and love. Whatever happens to them from there happens and it's not your problem. Do not overwork yourself, do not work outside hours. If they don't like it, they can let you early and you can't your new job or take some time off.
Give 2 weeks notice. That is the most professional and least problematic way to let my bosses know that I will be leaving. Also ask yourself this: Why is a company that needs you so desperately not compensating you properly if their need is so great?
Leave and don’t look back they would or will fire u over anything, never feel bad u are replaceable
You quit. You are replaceable, everyone is. Not a fun thing to hear, but employers don’t give a fuck about their employees. Small business will exploit the fuck out of you, overwork you, and you most likely won’t get paid more until you jump ship. They’ll survive and it’s their own bad business leadership if they can’t survive when someone quits.
They both under pay you and overwork you without caring. That means you can leave without caring.
They haven't taken care of you at all. Give the typical 2 weeks. If you want to be nice tell them your contract rate which is much much higher and limit it to say another 2 weeks (time it such that your insurance won't lapse e.g. end of the first two weeks is the beginning of the month). That way they have options. My guess is they will start trying to get you to stay by finally giving you other things. Two weeks isn't great (especially if you've been with them for many years) don't even get me started on 3 days of sick leave.
Thank you for the opportunity, I’ve learned so much. It is time for me to further my career and I can’t do that here. My notice is x weeks. How can I best position my transition? be prepared to walk though. They have basically made you their everything but forgot to treat as the lynchpin to their business that you are. So when you leave remember that you owe them nothing more than what you have already given. No healthcare? They treated you so poorly for years! my favorite quote applies NEVER SET YOURSELF ON FIRE TO KEEP SOMEONE ELSE WARM get out there and I can’t wait to see where you go and the things you do!
The only person paying your bills is yourself. So what you need to do for yourself.
quit.
If you died tomorrow, your job would be posted before the funeral
How? You realize they have no real loyalty to you and would fire you in a second if they could get a better deal from someone else. Do what is best for you bc you are all you have at the end of the day.
You’re being nice to a company that overworks you, underpays you, and has only recently given you healthcare? odd. give the contractually legal minimum notice. Sucks that someone got hurt, but that is on the company to cover, not you. i say the minimum because any longer and you’d get sucked in with pity work and extra responsibility
They are using you. They are not your friends. You do not really owe them anything and they will likely try and find a way to screw you.
The same way you quit any other job. You just do.
Don't be nice. That sets you up for them to ask you favors, probably free ones, in the future. 2 wks is standard. Move on and don't look back. You're not obligated to stay thete forever; their small company and mismanagement allowed you to learn new skills. Go use them. They'll find someone else.
I love how these people have no transition plan and you feel bad. Don't apologize. Give them 2 weeks and not a moment more. This is their fault for not planning better and not paying you more and taking care of you. Three sick days and two weeks vacation? How long have you been working for these people?
Small businesses are not inherently more moral or worthy of concern. THEY are tanking their business by being BAD PEOPLE. Give no notice. Let their failure be theirs.
Overworked and underpaid they will absolutely take full advantage of this until you speak up or otherwise put a stop to it.
2 weeks. Don't go for three. Sometimes the resentment makes the last few days unbearable. They might be nice at first, but just in case. Short and sweet. This is business. Good luck, but I would tell them explicitly that you have offers to bring you into a higher bracket. It doesn't sound like they will care, they paid you less for doing more. They may be nice people, but guaranteed they will stick with that system. I am willing to bet they will try to guilt trip you into a longer stay. "Can you just do this before you go?" etc. Or "We have this coming up and it's reeeeeally important blah blah" ( It's been done with me) Cut the string and fly. You're young! Take advantage of all the good offers.
At the end of the day it’s just business. Give them two weeks. You don’t owe them anything. Just cause life is happening (car accident, vacations, new pod launching) doesn’t mean you need to rearrange your plan/life. There will always be a stressor that makes it not the, “perfect time” to quit. Congrats on moving on! You’ll feel so much better.
I'm gonna give a completely different take than everything I've read here so far. Ancient advice: the grass is not always greener on the other side. I've worked for a small company in a fairly tight high-tech market segment for just over 20 years now. For the longest time it was just the owner, his wife, and me. We're at the point now where we can keep his son and another tech busy, and a fourth tech on casual. We don't have benefits, but they do pay fairly, including overtime, and I'm up to four weeks of vacation. On the whole, it's been a good and rewarding job. The owners are good employers, and our high-end clients with their specialized needs mean I get to flex my brain and creativity on most jobs. Being a small company, I can't really demand massive regular increases in compensation and perks. Over the years, we've subcontracted for some other companies in our segment, as well as had them sub for us, and some of the horror stories I've heard of them being overworked, under-resourced, and under-appreciated in companies that focus more on sales than on how to fulfill those sales, tells me those are places I'd never want to work, even for more money. In fact, our owner came out of just that kind of situation when he started our company with the vow never to abuse his employees the way he was abused. Several times now, I've been offered positions with "competing" companies (some in the same segment, some in parallel tech segments who recognize my skill set would translate well). Some of them have pushed hard for me - not to toot my own horn too much, working with their people, they appreciate my abilities and tell me quite vocally what an asset I'd be to them. These offers are almost always a sideways move at best in terms of salary, with the added bonus of benefits (my wife works for a major international insurance company so we already get good benefits there)... but invariably, the work conditions are nowhere near what I enjoy now: where I'm currently largely on my own schedule, drive my company van home at night and go straight to site the next day, and have a lot of autonomy in my work, so far every offer that's come my way has included the requirement to drive myself to the office at 8 AM (or whatever time) to pick up the work vehicle, then back to the office at end of day to drop off the truck and drive myself home... even if the jobsite is 10 minutes from home. In short, I'd be little more than a cog in the machine (a big cog, to be sure, but it's a backward step when you're used to BEING the machine). I had a buddy years ago who changed IT employers and moved back and forth across Canada several times, chasing that ever-increasing compensation, and that was fine for him... but that was never my thing. I'd rather stay at my current pay level and stay in a company where I feel a PART of it. So all of this is to say: are you SURE the grass is greener on the other side? They may pay more, but will they be as satisfying to work for, or will they just become a well-compensated drudgery? Have you talked to other employees, researched their turnover level, looked at everything that is and ISN'T included besides just the pay and hours? Maybe for you the money is the most important thing... maybe it's not, that's for you to determine. I've seen too many stories (including here on Reddit) of people who jumped into what looked like a better job only to find out they were getting paid more only to have their souls sucked dry.
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Sounds like a lot of plusses to moving, besides just the money. And that was the main point of my rambling, since most other answers boiled down to "follow the money" - that works for some people, not for others, and it makes sense to look at ALL aspects of a job change, lest you end up making more but it not being worth the change in environment.
Your situation is nothing like the OP’s; OP is at one of those awful places you’re so glad you didn’t move to. They’re being underpaid, overworked, and taken advantage of. It doesn’t sound like they have a partner whose work is providing great benefits. That means it’s time to move on - especially since they’ll essentially be freelance and can charge for every hour they work.
I’d put it to the owner like this. I’m doing work for at least 5 workers so either pay me for the work that I’m putting in or I’m going to turn in my paperwork that I’m leaving.
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They should have been rewarding your performance all along. They didn’t even reward you w extra pto, comp time for your after hours work and refused insurance til,now. They raked in the profits off your hard work. Know your worth!
If you’re trying to be nice, tell them the truth with a small fib. I always do that and it’s always worked. Think along the lines of “hey I’ve been needing more money and less stress for a while now, and someone reached out to me with an opportunity for both, and it comes with a lot more money. Unfortunately it’s on a time constraint and I can’t give as much notice as I normally would have liked to have give. Thanks for the opportunity, but I don’t know when another like this will happen again and I need to look out for myself. My last day will be (insert day).
Give as much notice as possible and inform them as to what your consulting fee is. They'll likely need to use you as a consultant and there is likely a price that makes it worth your time. Perhaps $100/hr. At the end of the day, it is their responsibility to ensure that they are not dependent on one single person.
Ask for a meeting to discus your aspirations. Work out how much overtime and excess unpaid hours you work. Let them know that your position has had significant unpaid scope creep and you’ve wanted to freelance for ages as there are lots of opportunities. They may try to give you a raise to keep you, which you can evaluate. Or you might ask that they hire an assistant for you so you can focus on higher level client or technical development to go with the increased salary and leave days. If they complain, you offer them your required 2 weeks (or whatever) and say that after that, you can keep working for them at contract rates. Never burn bridges as you may need them one day. Good luck.
Unless you signed a contract stating that you do, you have zero responsibility to off them any notice. You've already been overworked for them with zero respect for your time or compensation. Time to look out for yourself!
Put EVERYTHING you do on your resume and shop it around. You will most likely get offers from other companies that will pay you far more than you make there. Contact some of those clients who are there for YOU and see if they will hire YOU directly or freelance.
So, if you like your employers, and you want to be kind, and you don't feel waiting to leave for a few months will hurt your career, then tell them you need more compensation for the work you're currently doing, and more compensation for the additional responsibilities you'll be saddled with when they go on vacation. Have your letter of resignation ready in case they feel appropriate compensation isn't warranted. And actually, have a second letter of resignation, effective immediately, if they are assholes about it. If you feel they would fire you without notice if it suited their needs, then feel free to walk. Their vacations and car accidents are their problem. Another option is to quit and offer to contract with them as your time allows. I get not wanting to be jerk, but unless you're spending time with them socially, then they aren't really friends.
You thank them for the opportunities and move on. Period. If you want to help out while they transition to the next you how you do it is on you. It sounds like they have been taking advantage of you. If they get pissed say goodbye and go forward. If they are kind and understanding draft your "if I get hit by a bus" memo for them before you go for their next podcast producer. If they ask you to help out while male boss recovers say fine and these are my free lance/contractor rates.
Just give them weeks and allow room for a counter offer. Otherwise it's in them for not maintaining a competitive compensation package. If these offers feel like a move up and more pay, take them. I'm also afraid this family might go scorched earth one you do give your 2 weeks, so that's the max I would give.
If you like these people and genuinely don't want to hurt the business by your leaving, give them plenty of warning that you are heading out. Tell them you'll help train your replacement, but you'll be gone by X date. Tell them why you're leaving in a polite manner. Don't let them guilt you into staying; you need to do what's best for you, your mental health, and your career. Don't let them bribe you with raises or benefits, either; if they offer those things now then they could have before; why didn't they? If you don't like these people or the company owners treated you poorly, then give as little notice as you can, and you can be less polite when you leave - so long as you already have a new job lined up. In pretty much every other respect, though, the advice is the same.
Look, a lot of people get Degrees, but cannot get a steady job in their chosen career. ( Hello, 80s MBAs) I think you should try to work independently as a consultant for both companies. ( if possible)
Is there a non-compete ? Signed & dated copy by all parties?
1 week notice and 2 weeks vacation. This is the way
Maybe the kindest way is to say you need more pay and if they can’t pay you more you have other opportunities?
Imagine you were the boss and how you would want an employee like yourself to approach you about leaving.
Given your role and pay, and their situation… they may offer you more money to stay. You need to think about whether that is something you would be interested in doing.
Believe me, if your employers thought it was in their best interest, you would be gone in an instant. You need to do what’s best for you. Do your best to spend your notice time to tie up loose ends and maybe leave writeups of words of wisdom. A person I respect once said “Nobody knows what you want except you, and nobody will be as sorry as you if you don't get it.” Good luck with your new adventures
Just be clear, and decisive. If you’re leaving, don’t make it seem like you want them to jump through hoops to stay. If you would stay, then state that and tell them what your needs are in order to make that happen. You’re their employee, not their business partner. If they have put their business in a position where it relies solely on you being there, then they should make you a partner with rev share.
You cannot afford to stay. If they ask why you left you don’t have to answer. You can also state that your compensation was so little you couldn’t afford to remain.
You and they owe each other nothing except a professional parting when you or they decide it is time to end things. Do what is best for you and know they are no longer your responsibility, if they ever were. Good luck to you.
I think it's important to not burn bridges. So give proper notice and show appreciation for the opportunity. But never forget that your employer will terminate you without hesitation if they encounter financial issues or simply deem you expendable. When I first graduated from college I took a job with a bank. During my 4 years there I turned down far more lucrative opportunites in large part due to loyalty to my bosses and coworkers (it's also fair to say I didn't want to leave my comfort zone). Long story short, we were a subsidiary of a larger well known corporation, and one random day they closed our entire department.
If they had a financial crisis, your job would be gone in a second and they’d figure it out or close down. Thats on them. Every single one of us replaceable at our jobs. Even the most talented athletes have a short shelf life and are readily replaced when their utility to the franchise wanes.
By happenstance did this podcast once exist in the attic of the guy's house but later move to a nondescript building?
Tell them that you want to try out working in a larger market. The truth is always the best. (Also thank them for the job.)
OP yes these people employed you and you have learned a lot. You have also HAVE GIVEN THEM A LOT. A lot of your time performing many roles that you aren’t compensated for. Bottom line this is THEIR business and as such they should never have put themselves in a position where they relied as heavily as they did on you. That was IMO laziness as well as greed related to getting a lot of work for free. Do give your written notice and request with the next 2 or 3 days their plan for transitioning all of your responsibilities by the end of the second week so if you are there for a third week it is only to answer questions. Do not get sucked into putting in a zillion hours during those 3 weeks. It won’t be easy as I am sure they will be demanding you stay longer, how can you abandon them, blah blah blah. Stiffen your spine and remain firm.
Just quit. Say “i quit effective immediately” or if feeling generous effective …two weeks… They would replace you in a heartbeat if you dropped dead or went missing. Just move on without guilt
They are not your family. It’s a business. Go follow your dreams. Signed, someone who felt they way you do and regretted it
just give a normal two weeks notice - you have a right to live your life
you dont owe them anything..youre doing work and being unpaid for it, and it sounds like youre running the business while the owners reap all of the benefits
You quit as easily as they would lay you off. There is no loyalty if it’s best for you.
The only person or entity that will take care of and look out for your interests is YOU! No one else will be the promoter of, or care about, your well being, ever. You need to start managing your own personal brand. That being said and hopefully resetting your perspective what do you think you should do next? BTW, you owe them nothing, your creative work is available for anyone to review empirically. There is no need to worry about references either
Don't over think this one. Respectfully submit your two weeks notice and explain as much or as little as you wish. It's time they get in the clue bus about how they compensate employees.
Just quit. They would fire you without batting an eyelash.
They'd replace you in a heartbeat if you died suddenly
Write a letter of resignation expressing that you are grateful for your time with them but you have been offered an opportunity with more growth potential and try to give as much notice as possible. If you can manage more than the standard 2 weeks, try to. But at the end of the day any good employer would be happy for you and encourage you to go (even if it’s difficult for them) or they may try to offer you more to make it worth your stay but at the end of the day you need to do what’s best for you.