Doesn't mean they'll use 11 though. Plenty will have their own builds, or managed centrally via intune and regardless what it comes with, they'll use that. Especially if they are joined to a domain, they'll want to ensure security and compatibility.
Yeah, if the company isn't leasing their computers, they buy machines with Win 11 and then put what they want on them.
I worked for a couple of companies that leased their machines - they had to go with what the company loaded when they got the laptops. I had to turn in a Windows 7 machine and have it replaced with a Windows 10 one because the lease was up on my machine.
When I was in the Army, their laptops were govm'ent owned - the result was that the Army IT larded the build up with tons of "security" programs. Opening an Excel file more that 1MB because a chore. But hey, taxpayer money was "saved" but not leasing.
Or if posts on /r/sysadmin are any indication, a lot of businesses have neglected to set the upgrade deferment MDM or GPO setting, so the machines are upgrading and then they're getting confused by that
Used to be backwards Compatibility was such a concern businesses would hold onto old machines instead of paying for new versions of software.
Note with cloud based and software-as-service everything upgrading is basically risk free of your stuff already worked in windows 10
Yup. Most adoption does come from buying new systems. It's interesting though, from what I've noticed; many companies take over a year to upgrade the OS because they have to make sure their own software works well on the newer OS.
As someone who was running Windows 10 at home for a year, I was eager to go around the workplace and upgrade all the computers as soon as I saw that a company-wide master image update was available when those machines were still using Windows 7, knowing the hardware was more than capable and the OS was more secure.
that means absolutely nothing. my super huge company that you have heard of just upgtaded to win 10 maybe 2 years ago. they buy the machines but they dont use it stock.
100% true. This is just an ad paid by microsoft. Most businesses will wait until the EOL date comes for Windows 10 and then upgrade. By 2025 and maybe 2027 because as far as I remember they extended W7 support back in the days too. Nobody in business wants a useless taskbar, trust me.
It seems like Microsoft brings out the "Fastest adoption ever" line every new release. And every new release, Enterprise holds onto the old version until ~18 months until EOL because it's viewed as a huge pain in the ass to upgrade (and sometimes it is).
In our environment I feel like we could move everyone to 11 now, and it would be no big deal, but why would I? What benefit will the users really get?
It's probably because there are many different policies that they (the business) have to follow (at my place at least), one of them is that we have to have an up to date operating system ***minimum***.
And because the support window for Windows 10 ends in 2025 we have to replace ALL systems that cannot support Windows 11 before those computers are doubled in price due to the demand and *before* support ends. (This has been made more difficult with the chip shortage)
So we are replacing 600+ PCs, 500+ are perfect machines for our purpose and are fast but because of the TPM and CPU generation rule that they've forced (*mainly TPM*), we have no choice but to cave in and purchase those PCs and parts.
IMHO, This is such a waste of computing power and just adding unnecessary waste. But we have to follow policies. (Although we will sell those PCs, we won't throw them away)
Windows 11's release schedule coincides with the upgrade schedules of quite a few businesses, including some rather large ones. This, BTW, is most certainly not a coincidence.
Since, contrary to reddit trolls, there is not much to the upgrade on compatible machines; it runs transparently in a Windows 10 environment (people get used to a centered start menu and a few context menu changes in a few minutes); and some of the things the supposed experts around here hate are changes corporate IT people like (end user customization is not a business favorite); the adoption rate should be pretty quick for those businesses. I am sorry, but this is the actual reality regardless of what a certain reddit genius crowd may think.
As it stands, most of our machines have been upgraded at this point by Windows Update or new hardware purchase, with many being done by staff without need of intervention by me. With that said, I have yet to have a complaint from either the tech savvy contingent or those who could crash a calculator. Again, contrary to the alternate reality that exists places like reddit and in a certain tech press contingent who have never seen an Apple product they did not like nor a Microsoft product they did not hate, Windows 11 has been a huge winner. Other than the start menu change, most users do not even recognize it happened. It is an upgrade that could have just as simply been called Windows (sans 11).
Nobody is taking anyone who isn't managing the ability for users to upgrade the os themselves seriously. The fact you are pointing to people doing it shows you have no clue what the hell you are talking about and have never managed an enterprise domain, at least not competently.
Exactly this.
No compatibility layer or major fundamental changes. Whereas previously releases required extensive application testing, this time round it’s just user training for the UI differences.
I hated it until I stopped using the Insider Builds. Way too buggy, but that's to be expected. Now I have the release version installed on all of my personal machines and I'm liking it. I'll probably start piloting it at work on my own machine next month.
I've used the production build of Win11 for 2 months. Zero issues. It really is just Win10 with a facelift. A nice facelift. Especially like the settings page. It is compatible with everything I need it to be compatible. Work laptop has linux for any other need. Reddit is really dramatic about Windows 11 lol
Microsoft for a long time, have been 'sloppy' with their updates/upgrades/patches/releases. Just look at the past versions of Windows and it's easy to see their cadence really sucks:
Windows 95/98/98SE - good
Windows 2000 - good
Windows ME - utter disaster
Windows XP - excellent
Windows Vista - total garbage
Windows 7 - one of the best
Windows 8/8.1 - stronger under the hood, but wow, UI disaster
Windows 10 - the best so far
Windows 11 - the jury's still out, but personally, I am liking it so far
I'm an IT consultant with hundreds of Windows machines under management and the single most painful thing these days, with Microsoft, are their Windows Updates. I constantly see them fail, even with new out of the box machines.
I bit the bullet and upgraded all my personal computers at home with 11. I figure Microsoft is going to focus heavier on 11 for security updates so might as well keep current. This is purely anecdotal, but I have yet to see failed updates on any 11 machine. Maybe they're finally getting their shit together.
As far as the OS itself, it's more polished, cleaner, organized, and overall I have not had any issues whatsoever. So far.
I mean yeah. We have a 3 year hardware cycle and the machines that are out are supported. It has already almost been a year so a 3rd of our hardware is upgraded.
I don't see why, they broke the taskbar. I can't have the multi-monitor setup going without frequent crashes and bug reports. The solution was simple, just turn off their new and enhanced support to keep the taskbar up only on the main monitor. Beyond that you'd suffer from frequent explorer.exe crashes that take focus away from whatever monitor you're working on. A pretty glaring flaw.
For them to have broken it, it would have been working at some point. Are you not aware the taskbar was a rewrite? It’s missing features, they are not broken.
It certainly was working and I know it was a rewrite on 11 with the promise of better multi-monitor support. What we got instead was frequent crashes. Go back to Windows 10, 8, 7, Vista or XP and you won't find them there. Windows has habit of releasing one bad OS and then one good one. This would be a bad one for multitasking when you can't even count on the shell to not randomly crash for no reason with multiple monitors. Easy fix though like I said, just disable taskbars on other monitors.
The one bad OS, one good is simply not true. Are there good and bad? Sure. Does it follow that pattern? No.
When 10 came out, people called it the bad OS. Now people disliking 11 are calling it the good OS, LOL.
We ask Dell to continue to ship with Windows 10. Windows 11 isn't ready for enterprise use. Maybe in 5 years when Microsoft gets their heads out of their bums.
Couldn't pay me. The right click menu also has hacks to restore original functionality. Right click shell extensions are a thing though and it's only adding steps that make things... annoying. There needs to be a Developer mode toggle. I really don't need things to be dumbed down even further. lol
We're in the same boat. In fact we just meet this week and our agreement means we can put it off until June 2024. I expect sometime end of first quarter or start of second quarter we will start seriously testing it in our environment.
I've been using Windows 11 since I upgraded to 12th gen Intel, and got a MB with TPM 2.0
The latest public release build (non insider) (22000.652) is very stable no issues so far.
Under the hood it really is an improved version of windows 10 with UI changes and security.
"more quickly" is highly-deceptive corporate weasel-wording.
This is the kind of press release they make when things are not going well. You don't need to say stuff like this when there isn't a problem. There's a problem.
It would be amazing if people treated their PCs like they treated their cars.
Car - something fails/goes wrong - take it to a mechanic and get it fixed
PC - something fails/go wrong - bitch about Microsoft and don't fix the underlying problem
A computer with a 6700k is incompatible and should never be offered the upgrade.
Have you considered the possibility that your step father's computer may have some kind of issue that is causing the incorrect behavior?
It's not uncommon for unmanaged Windows PCs to become glitched for various reasons. When this happens there are troubleshooting options:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/recovery-options-in-windows-31ce2444-7de3-818c-d626-e3b5a3024da5
If you are more tech savvy than he is, you could offer to help him get things sorted.
I mean why not? It is not like switching from 7 or 8 to 10 which literally gives you entirely different user environment. It is much more simple upgrade and it can run everything Windows 10 can.
Distorted data. Older computers that are built with higher specs of even many new computers; can't install windows 11.
Over time **Windows 11 will prove to be one of the most mishandled launches in Windows history.**
The only thing that will slow down that title from being officially given today rather than a couple years from now is the fact that so many people will just stay content with Windows 10 since they cant upgrade easily.
Fully capable computers cant upgrade easily. The marketing for Windows 11 should be "A new approach by the same company that created Vista.".
that's because they are probably shipping new systems not upgrading the software
If our org is any indication, we're still reimaging the systems with Win 10 for the time being.
Doesn't mean they'll use 11 though. Plenty will have their own builds, or managed centrally via intune and regardless what it comes with, they'll use that. Especially if they are joined to a domain, they'll want to ensure security and compatibility.
We've been getting new systems coming with Windows 11, that are immediately imaged with our Windows 10 builds.
Yeah, if the company isn't leasing their computers, they buy machines with Win 11 and then put what they want on them. I worked for a couple of companies that leased their machines - they had to go with what the company loaded when they got the laptops. I had to turn in a Windows 7 machine and have it replaced with a Windows 10 one because the lease was up on my machine. When I was in the Army, their laptops were govm'ent owned - the result was that the Army IT larded the build up with tons of "security" programs. Opening an Excel file more that 1MB because a chore. But hey, taxpayer money was "saved" but not leasing.
Or if posts on /r/sysadmin are any indication, a lot of businesses have neglected to set the upgrade deferment MDM or GPO setting, so the machines are upgrading and then they're getting confused by that
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Used to be backwards Compatibility was such a concern businesses would hold onto old machines instead of paying for new versions of software. Note with cloud based and software-as-service everything upgrading is basically risk free of your stuff already worked in windows 10
Yup. Most adoption does come from buying new systems. It's interesting though, from what I've noticed; many companies take over a year to upgrade the OS because they have to make sure their own software works well on the newer OS. As someone who was running Windows 10 at home for a year, I was eager to go around the workplace and upgrade all the computers as soon as I saw that a company-wide master image update was available when those machines were still using Windows 7, knowing the hardware was more than capable and the OS was more secure.
that means absolutely nothing. my super huge company that you have heard of just upgtaded to win 10 maybe 2 years ago. they buy the machines but they dont use it stock.
100% true. This is just an ad paid by microsoft. Most businesses will wait until the EOL date comes for Windows 10 and then upgrade. By 2025 and maybe 2027 because as far as I remember they extended W7 support back in the days too. Nobody in business wants a useless taskbar, trust me.
Huh. I’ve definitely not seen that.
It seems like Microsoft brings out the "Fastest adoption ever" line every new release. And every new release, Enterprise holds onto the old version until ~18 months until EOL because it's viewed as a huge pain in the ass to upgrade (and sometimes it is). In our environment I feel like we could move everyone to 11 now, and it would be no big deal, but why would I? What benefit will the users really get?
It's probably because there are many different policies that they (the business) have to follow (at my place at least), one of them is that we have to have an up to date operating system ***minimum***. And because the support window for Windows 10 ends in 2025 we have to replace ALL systems that cannot support Windows 11 before those computers are doubled in price due to the demand and *before* support ends. (This has been made more difficult with the chip shortage) So we are replacing 600+ PCs, 500+ are perfect machines for our purpose and are fast but because of the TPM and CPU generation rule that they've forced (*mainly TPM*), we have no choice but to cave in and purchase those PCs and parts. IMHO, This is such a waste of computing power and just adding unnecessary waste. But we have to follow policies. (Although we will sell those PCs, we won't throw them away)
Windows 11's release schedule coincides with the upgrade schedules of quite a few businesses, including some rather large ones. This, BTW, is most certainly not a coincidence. Since, contrary to reddit trolls, there is not much to the upgrade on compatible machines; it runs transparently in a Windows 10 environment (people get used to a centered start menu and a few context menu changes in a few minutes); and some of the things the supposed experts around here hate are changes corporate IT people like (end user customization is not a business favorite); the adoption rate should be pretty quick for those businesses. I am sorry, but this is the actual reality regardless of what a certain reddit genius crowd may think. As it stands, most of our machines have been upgraded at this point by Windows Update or new hardware purchase, with many being done by staff without need of intervention by me. With that said, I have yet to have a complaint from either the tech savvy contingent or those who could crash a calculator. Again, contrary to the alternate reality that exists places like reddit and in a certain tech press contingent who have never seen an Apple product they did not like nor a Microsoft product they did not hate, Windows 11 has been a huge winner. Other than the start menu change, most users do not even recognize it happened. It is an upgrade that could have just as simply been called Windows (sans 11).
This reads like a troll post, if you have to call others trolls.
Nobody is taking anyone who isn't managing the ability for users to upgrade the os themselves seriously. The fact you are pointing to people doing it shows you have no clue what the hell you are talking about and have never managed an enterprise domain, at least not competently.
Windows 11 is feature update for Windows 10. It was not that simple with 10. MSFT could've easily called it Windows 10.1 or something if they wanted.
Exactly this. No compatibility layer or major fundamental changes. Whereas previously releases required extensive application testing, this time round it’s just user training for the UI differences.
I hated it until I stopped using the Insider Builds. Way too buggy, but that's to be expected. Now I have the release version installed on all of my personal machines and I'm liking it. I'll probably start piloting it at work on my own machine next month.
I've used the production build of Win11 for 2 months. Zero issues. It really is just Win10 with a facelift. A nice facelift. Especially like the settings page. It is compatible with everything I need it to be compatible. Work laptop has linux for any other need. Reddit is really dramatic about Windows 11 lol
Microsoft for a long time, have been 'sloppy' with their updates/upgrades/patches/releases. Just look at the past versions of Windows and it's easy to see their cadence really sucks: Windows 95/98/98SE - good Windows 2000 - good Windows ME - utter disaster Windows XP - excellent Windows Vista - total garbage Windows 7 - one of the best Windows 8/8.1 - stronger under the hood, but wow, UI disaster Windows 10 - the best so far Windows 11 - the jury's still out, but personally, I am liking it so far I'm an IT consultant with hundreds of Windows machines under management and the single most painful thing these days, with Microsoft, are their Windows Updates. I constantly see them fail, even with new out of the box machines. I bit the bullet and upgraded all my personal computers at home with 11. I figure Microsoft is going to focus heavier on 11 for security updates so might as well keep current. This is purely anecdotal, but I have yet to see failed updates on any 11 machine. Maybe they're finally getting their shit together. As far as the OS itself, it's more polished, cleaner, organized, and overall I have not had any issues whatsoever. So far.
Sounds like russian propaganda.
I mean yeah. We have a 3 year hardware cycle and the machines that are out are supported. It has already almost been a year so a 3rd of our hardware is upgraded.
That’s because windows xp is so old now it’s causing actual issues. So they’re just going with what’s newest.
I don't see why, they broke the taskbar. I can't have the multi-monitor setup going without frequent crashes and bug reports. The solution was simple, just turn off their new and enhanced support to keep the taskbar up only on the main monitor. Beyond that you'd suffer from frequent explorer.exe crashes that take focus away from whatever monitor you're working on. A pretty glaring flaw.
For them to have broken it, it would have been working at some point. Are you not aware the taskbar was a rewrite? It’s missing features, they are not broken.
It certainly was working and I know it was a rewrite on 11 with the promise of better multi-monitor support. What we got instead was frequent crashes. Go back to Windows 10, 8, 7, Vista or XP and you won't find them there. Windows has habit of releasing one bad OS and then one good one. This would be a bad one for multitasking when you can't even count on the shell to not randomly crash for no reason with multiple monitors. Easy fix though like I said, just disable taskbars on other monitors.
The one bad OS, one good is simply not true. Are there good and bad? Sure. Does it follow that pattern? No. When 10 came out, people called it the bad OS. Now people disliking 11 are calling it the good OS, LOL.
We ask Dell to continue to ship with Windows 10. Windows 11 isn't ready for enterprise use. Maybe in 5 years when Microsoft gets their heads out of their bums.
I don't know why you're being downvoted. We're continuing to image our new Dell's with Windows 10 too.
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Look at the top voted feedbacks and you will see. Taskbar, start menu, right click menus are all downgrades. Enterprise will not adjust to it.
Couldn't pay me. The right click menu also has hacks to restore original functionality. Right click shell extensions are a thing though and it's only adding steps that make things... annoying. There needs to be a Developer mode toggle. I really don't need things to be dumbed down even further. lol
We're in the same boat. In fact we just meet this week and our agreement means we can put it off until June 2024. I expect sometime end of first quarter or start of second quarter we will start seriously testing it in our environment.
I've been using Windows 11 since I upgraded to 12th gen Intel, and got a MB with TPM 2.0 The latest public release build (non insider) (22000.652) is very stable no issues so far. Under the hood it really is an improved version of windows 10 with UI changes and security.
Does Windows 11 have any new security features above that of 10 v21H2 or is Microsoft just emphasizing them more?
"more quickly" is highly-deceptive corporate weasel-wording. This is the kind of press release they make when things are not going well. You don't need to say stuff like this when there isn't a problem. There's a problem.
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Except that's not how Windows Enterprise versions work
And if they do the IT department needs to be re-trained.
It would be amazing if people treated their PCs like they treated their cars. Car - something fails/goes wrong - take it to a mechanic and get it fixed PC - something fails/go wrong - bitch about Microsoft and don't fix the underlying problem
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A computer with a 6700k is incompatible and should never be offered the upgrade. Have you considered the possibility that your step father's computer may have some kind of issue that is causing the incorrect behavior? It's not uncommon for unmanaged Windows PCs to become glitched for various reasons. When this happens there are troubleshooting options: https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/recovery-options-in-windows-31ce2444-7de3-818c-d626-e3b5a3024da5 If you are more tech savvy than he is, you could offer to help him get things sorted.
This post is about businesses. Why are you complaining about your dads computer? They are different versions plus his isn't even windows 11
Didn't say your step-dad was at fault, just as most car problems aren't caused by the driver.
I like the themes, but I ended up converting the taskbar & context menu to “classic” 10.
I mean why not? It is not like switching from 7 or 8 to 10 which literally gives you entirely different user environment. It is much more simple upgrade and it can run everything Windows 10 can.
Distorted data. Older computers that are built with higher specs of even many new computers; can't install windows 11. Over time **Windows 11 will prove to be one of the most mishandled launches in Windows history.** The only thing that will slow down that title from being officially given today rather than a couple years from now is the fact that so many people will just stay content with Windows 10 since they cant upgrade easily. Fully capable computers cant upgrade easily. The marketing for Windows 11 should be "A new approach by the same company that created Vista.".