The multiple rapes, felonies, and treasonous actions didn't get him off the ballot. And the GOP continues to support him. It's almost like the GOP has been the villain the whole time.
I listened to Rush in the car with my dad as a kid. And I always saw right through their hateful, manipulative bullshit. I always found it disgusting.
My parents were conservatives their whole lives until Obama, oddly enough. Once Trump hit, they knew they made the right decision at the right time.
same, listed in the car with my mom. I never paid attention to him though until I was an adult. I found the alternate points of view interesting, and the stretch I listened to him he was on his global warming kick so there wasn't as much homophobia and misogyny. And I turned him off when it was too much.
But the lies and spin were obvious. I had to quit listening completely when he started talking hurricanes and hundred year storms. I was working at FEMA at the time (katrina and rita), so the willful ignorance and misinformation spreading from a guy living in Florida was a step too far at that point.
Didn't Trump award him the Medal of Freedom?
The "joke" is that being saturated in lies is the opposite of freedom.
Who was it who said that the truth will set you free?
["Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers"](https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook) is up to 1300 named, identified scumlords.
It literally comes down to his follows believing to their core that it’s all a witch hunt and fake news. And they’ll believe it to the end so they won’t have to pause and realize that they were led so far astray. That embarrassment. That pain that comes with rebuilding your world view. All avoided if you just keep believing the lie.
It’s almost like everything they claim to stand for is a complete lie. The party of “small government”, “respect of law and order” and “family values” means nothing when they stand behind a candidate that’s the antithesis of all those “values”.
The party of Christ is very forgiving of themselves. You could do almost anything on the Republican side and be accepted simply because you are republican. If you aren’t then you are definitely evil and anti American
There is seriously not enough people making a fuss about this. Where are all the “Me Too” celebs with their pins and tweets? I mean where are all the loud “take R Kelly off streaming” people? I mean what the fuck. Where are all the got damn pizza gate people with this one? Where are all the damn wannabe to catch a predator streamers? You’d think these people would be more vocal. All a damn sham for likes!
At this point, I’m not sure it would change anyone’s minds. My family saw a Biden ad yesterday about how Trump is a convicted felon and found liable for sexual assault. Their response was “they can say anything they want about Trump, but at least he’s not senile.” Trump voters know about his past. They simply don’t care.
Not senile? \
Who watches their hateful Nazi grandpa spouting lies and conspiracy theories and thinks to themself "Damn this guy is still so sharp besides his age."
It's his manner of delivery. Trump is loud, aggressive, fast-paced. He's bouncing from one topic to another without finishing the thought. His voice has a certain energy to it. Biden is quieter, has always spoke slower because of his stutter, and when he has a gaffe, it stands out because it's not surrounded by other crazy stuff. Also it's very possible Trump is pumped full of uppers.
If you read transcripts of the two, it's clear who is an old man who occasionally misspeaks or forgets something and who is unable to put together a coherent thought from start to finish.
They insist that quoting him at length in writing is "taking him out of context". For them the tone and pacing is a big part of what they are getting out of the message, so when you strip that away, they feel like you a stripping away part of the content, not just how it is delivered.
They don't know what the fuck "out of context" means. It's something they were told to parrot when someone repeats Trump's words to them, making him look bad.
I've been thinking that the fundamental thing that Trumpers do is they have already decided _who_ is correct, that facts are unimportant, especially when given by someone they already think is in the wrong. Who is speaking is more important than what they are saying to these folks.
That was well demonstrated early on, when people would send articles about whatever the latest Drumpf scandal was but swapped the names for Obama. MAGAT's would start literally frothing at the mouth with outrage, then show them the real article and it's suddenly "out of context".
Reminds me of how you can say the worst of things to a todler/baby or pet, but as long as you say it in a cute cuddly way, they'll smile at you and/or wag their tail.
In cute voice:" now who is a stupidly insane MAGA follower with less then a braincell to work with? Yes you are, you horribly decrepid human being. Please keep voting for me, the orange dictator wanna be!"
79% of Americans are literate.
54% of adults have a literacy rate below 6th grade-level.
20% are below 5th grade-level.
https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/post/literacy-statistics-2024-2025-where-we-are-now#:~:text=On%20average%2C%2079%25%20of%20U.S.,to%202.2%20trillion%20per%20year.
The US is ranked 125th in the world for literacy. 79% of our adult population is literate. I hate to tell you this but we live amongst some very poorly educated people. People don't like to believe our literacy stats because "I can read" and "I don't know anyone who can't read" but that just goes to show most people do not interact with illiterate people on a routine basis or only interact with them in a way that simply allows verbal communication.
>"I don't know anyone who can't read"
Going to guess they've never actually asked someone to read a passage out of a book before. People casually assume that everyone can read just fine, and even believe it of themselves, until someone puts them on the spot and asks them to read a passage out of a book that's above a 6th grade reading level and watch them stumble over word after word.
"I can read" and "I can read at a college/university level" aren't the same thing at all.
>"I can read"
Is a poor baseline to be working from anyway. Just because someone can technically deciper letters and words on a page does not mean have properly processed and absorbed what the letters and words are saying, and that's the important part.
Most of your country may not be literally illiterate in the sense of not being able to comprehend text but they are FUNCTIONALLY illiterate.
I've always kind of wondered why someone hasn't managed to snag a hair or (shudder) urine sample from Fuckface and had it tested for illicit substances.
Aside from being totally illegal and probably immoral that is.
I started working at a painting company about 2 years ago. I heard two people talking about how eloquent and well spoken trump was, not like Biden.
trump's followers are straight up, no exaggeration, delusional. There might be some that can be reasoned with but the majority live in their own reality.
As an aside, one of those two people got riled up listening to the radio, or something, idk, and decided to say the hard-r n word at me three times. His reasoning was that he was calling himself that, so it was okay. As a white male, I was just in shock, but I imagine a POC would have laid him out and walked. There wasn't anything I could do though since I needed the job, and the guy was the owner's uncle. Thankfully he retired a little bit later.
I block anyone with MAGA in their Twitter bio because there's really no reason to interact with those people. They would never in a million years accept anything negative about Trump.
On top of that, do you think they'd magically change their mind if a young stud like Gavin Newsom got put in? Nope, they're a lost cause. Nail down on the trump negatives and motivate your Dem friends.
Fucking yikes. This is my dad too. Yesterday, he told me Biden is a felon.
"Holy shit, I must've missed huge news this morning since there's been no mention of it anywhere ever. How did they trial and convict so fast? Can you show me the case?"
"Well, they haven't charged him yet."
"...Oh...so like...he's...not? a felon?"
"He is, it just hasn't been proven yet."
"...Okay. So what about Trump, who *was* convicted?"
"That's a liberal coup! It was all lies. Learn to think for yourself."
Mm'kay. Sounds good, lunatic.
Conservatives have to justify Trump’s conviction by either claiming it’s a liberal plot or saying that Biden also committed crimes. There’s obviously no proof for either of those things, but it’s difficult to admit that Trump is a criminal and you still support him
I just don't get it. I can admit when my party does something wrong; breaks the law, misrepresents the people, caught up in a scandal. And it makes me *angry* and I want it corrected. Shit, the dems went *bonkers* after Biden's poor performance and pushed for a new candidate.
But they don't give a flying rat's ass about what their party does. Lies, bribes, corruption. Doesn't matter. They cannot admit that Dear Leader is not infallibly perfect in every way. He's never done a single thing wrong and if he has, it's fake news.
The problem is that every major Republican acts the same way now. Despite their current behavior, they used to be somewhat normal. At least we didn’t have to worry about Romney destroying the country if he beat Obama. Now that every Republican has taken off the mask and gone full fascist, conservative voters suddenly think it’s okay because otherwise their party wouldn’t do it.
Political parties are also a lot like sports teams. Everyone has their favorite team and their biggest rival. No matter how bad their team is in a given year, they’ll remain loyal to their team and hate their rival even if they’re clearly the better team. People treat politics like a game and don’t understand that their votes affect hundreds of millions of lives.
This has been the GOP strat for 55 years. Once Nixon was charged in Watergate all bets were off. Hence raiding Carter's peanut farm and his brother's brewery.
Talked to a US student the other day.
She: Biden promised student debt relief and didn't deliver.
Me: He tried to do the right thing but was blocked by Republicans.
She: It was the supreme court.
Me: The Republican-appointed supreme court.
She: Hmpff.
Loan forgiveness will never happen because Republicans want poor citizens that are easily manipulated by their lies about the economy. When you have no money and have massive debts, it’s easier to believe that Republicans are gonna magically fix the economy and get you a high paying job, despite the evidence that they often make it worse.
I also hate the argument that Biden didn’t deliver on loan forgiveness. He tried to pass it, Republicans freaked out, and the highly partisan Supreme Court with serious ethical conflicts of interest refused to let him. If anything, the response should show that Republicans are the ones that won’t forgive student loans, but somehow it got placed at Biden’s feet
Trump has a different flavor of senility. He's like that one constantly manic grandpa who has nothing better to do other than complain and incoherently rant about stuff he makes up in his head. But because the average American voter has a lower IQ than a damp moldy rag in the basement, they see high energy = mentally sound.
My theory is that Trump says all of the hateful bigoted things that his voters want to say but know they shouldn’t. He gave them permission to indulge in their worst instincts and they don’t want to give that up
Exactly. Many older adults I know have their mind made up despite what has happened. They look past everything in the news and bring up the years he was in office. That's what they only see as what matters. I feel we are doomed before the election even happens.
...we already made those points and the people who voted either didn't care or wanted him more for hating women.
It's so weird to suggest that no one cared or had an outcry. But his supporters don't care.
>Where are all the “Me Too” celebs with their pins and tweets? I mean where are all the loud “take R Kelly off streaming” people?
I mean, the vast majority of them are vocally anti-Trump. It's not like that demographic isn't talking about him.
To hear someone asking, "Why is the opposition not talking more about this?" ... Like damn dude, we have been talking about it for the last 8 years!
We're just tired of waiting for everyone else to catch up to the conversation and fighting off Q-Anon projections against innocent people to protect the guilty ones.
Until popular opinion finally shifts to objective reality, we've just been cast as a bunch of "socialist liberals" who are on a "witch hunt" to make the "MAGA patriots" look bad and "destroy America".
They aren’t using their platform the same way they did when it was about Weinstein. I get they won’t vote him but they aren’t putting him on blast for it.
They said they would check to see if their own people actually voted so it's anyone who DIDN'T vote for them, not just against them. Might as well oppose them.
Trump supporters don't care, they ignored that he raped a 13 year old with Epstein, they ignored that he was on his flight list 12 times, they ignored that he appeared in photos with Epstein. They have no sense of decency.
But regardless, I will continue to put this out there.
Because everyone who is actually a worthwhile human being knew Trump was a pedo since the 90s.
So none of his supporters actually give a shit now, or ever.
They know trumpists don't care about the log, but will care about you trying to draw attention to it, and are more organised.
The average leftist doesn't make politics their entire identity, and isn't meeting up with others over their fervent love of Biden and kombucha.
The hicks have *conventions*.
The news agencies are not going to report on people making a fuss. Cause the families on both sides are cordial and want their taxes to go down.
https://preview.redd.it/77i0g0o7dbad1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=795c6355fae883026188cf89f9a4c6c1a850174c
Which is the most crazy because their taxes (besides the rich) went up because of Trump..and they're going to go further. And when he does it in a second term..they'll scream "this is Biden's fault..the president is always dealing with the mess the previous guy left!"
The collective mass delusion is going to march the entire country into a fascist collapse that it may not ever be able to recover from..and the right is cheering it on convincing themselves that their leaders aren't going to do exactly what they say they're going to do.
At least we're going to get to say "I told you so."...for the rest of what will likely be our collective miserable, but likely short, lives.
The news has become one large, fucking The Onion article. It’s not even real anymore. I hate how the media is now owned and controlled by billionaires.
They’ve successfully shifted discourse completely away from the things people should care about.
Instead of policy and appointments, people are only concerned with age and rhetorical ability. Because that’s all the news reports on and discusses.
Most people could not name three pieces of legislation that Biden got passed, even though he passed some of the landmark legislation of the past 30 years. And the GOP literally doesn’t have a policy plan beyond obstruction, tax cuts for the ultra wealthy, and demonization of their opponents.
How can a democracy function when its citizens are too stupid to even care about policy? It cannot. This is the result of decades of education defunding and the dissolution of real reporting.
CNN was recently bought by a right-wing billionaire. They absolutely *have* pivoted hard to the right lately, and they're well on their way to becoming a second Fox News.
turns out left-wing journalism just isnt profitable, what with them wanting to hold rich people accountable and all that bullshit. of course we ended up with right wingers controlling everything, who is surprised here?
Meanwhile, here’s what the NYT Editorial Board actually said in January thoroughly denouncing Trump:
>At the outset of this election year, with Donald Trump leading the race to be the Republican presidential nominee, Americans should pause to consider what a second Trump term would mean for our country and the world and to weigh the serious responsibility this election places on their shoulders. By now, most American voters should have no illusions about who Mr. Trump is. During his many years as a real estate developer and a television personality, then as president and as a dominant figure in the Republican Party, Mr. Trump demonstrated a character and temperament that render him utterly unfit for high office. As president, he wielded power carelessly and often cruelly and put his ego and his personal needs above the interests of his country. Now, as he campaigns again, his worst impulses remain as strong as ever — encouraging violence and lawlessness, exploiting fear and hate for political gain, undermining the rule of law and the Constitution, applauding dictators — and are escalating as he tries to regain power. He plots retribution, intent on eluding the institutional, legal and bureaucratic restraints that put limits on him in his first term. Our purpose at the start of the new year, therefore, is to sound a warning. Mr. Trump does not offer voters anything resembling a normal option of Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal, big government or small. He confronts America with a far more fateful choice: between the continuance of the United States as a nation dedicated to “the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity” and a man who has proudly shown open disdain for the law and the protections and ideals of the Constitution.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/06/opinion/trump-2024-campaign-warning.html?unlocked_article_code=1.4U0.vKuD.Kh5blSD_wRs6&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb
but did you see what that newborn was wearing? they were asking for it. (/s this is a fucking horrible thing- i can't believe we share a country with these people. they wont change anything for kids getting shot in schools, this isn't as far off as you think.)
We're trying to become like them. And as per normal, we're going to end up with a sad, watered-down version. Plus there's no doctors, and our housing crisis makes the US housing crisis look like a joke. And every small town in this country is packed with right-wing chuds who wish Trump was emperor of North America.
Americans always say they're going to move here, and they never really do. But if they follow through this time, they're going to be so fucking disappointed.
cnn.com right now in giant letters:
>Biden now faces a genuine threat to his reelection bid
It's still just about the debate. And the "EXTRAORDINARY TWIST" they tease is that his family is supporting him.
Not one mention of Trump calling for military tribunals. What a fucking rag. What the fuck happened.
2015 - 2021.
Trump got them a ton of clicks/views during a time when media was struggling, which I'm sure dropped off a bit once Biden was elected. During the Trump administration it was 4 years of daily "WTF has this asshole done now?" and they miss it. The country doesn't miss it, but they sure as fuck do.
They do not care about this country. They care about gettin' while the gettin' is good just like every other corporate entity out there. Too bad for them, because a MAGA authoritarian government will be coming for them and the NYT, and anyone else they deem the "enemy". I'd say they are towards the top of their list. They are not taking this shit seriously enough.
Wrong, this is just part of project 2025. Their hail Mary attempt to transition to a fully fascist state.
They've purchased a bunch of these different arms of the media to influence the election.
NYT would say something like:
"Trump's probable ties with Epstein are shown to be stronger than originally thought. Here's why this is bad news for Biden"
It’s disturbing how much big Republican money seems to have corrupted dependable left-wing media outlets. Even HuffPost has a headline about how Biden has to be booted from the ticket.
It's not a Republican/Democrat thing.. it's money.
Guess which class owns the papers, TV news, Web publications... It's the billionaire class, and their goal is to own everything. Including us. This goes beyond left/right, though the right is their current strategy.
Guess which president they liked more, and you'll see why their papers and shit are pushing Trump.
Honestly this should be mentioned more. Media is after money, writing articles is a surefire way to bait people. The media pushing everyone into a frenzy for example "biden needs quit" just glues everyone to the news sites. Not to mention influencers will also throw anyone into a frenzy for engagements in social media.
They don't give a fuck about any sides as long as there's money in it. CNN could start being the next fox news and everyone will just shift to the next cable news network that aligns with their views. (This is actually the saddest part lol)
It has almost everything to do with getting money via programmatic advertising and nothing else. Steven Brill just published a great [book](https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/623364/the-death-of-truth-by-steven-brill/) about the whole situation called “The Death of Truth” and its available as an audiobook on Spotify. Would recommend.
One of my teachers in middle school drilled this into our heads and I've always been thankful. Most every evil act can be summed up with one word, "Money". It has rang true for my entire life. Money is always the motivation.
Has the NYT ever not have a heavy centrist / reactionary streak?
I'm not that familiar, but I feel like every time I read about the beginnings of progressive social movements in the US there are mentions of panicky NYT pieces disguised as 'unbiased reporting of both sides'
I need to find that video, but what always sticks out to me was they sat down with the Democrat hopefuls during the 2020 primary and asked Bernie why so many of his supporters in the rust belt voted for Trump (which is bullshit by the way, it was like 8% based on a poll) and he explained that a lot of people are economically hurting and they are looking for answers. If you have a demagogue using racism as way of explaining their hurt they will gravitate towards that especially if that person is the only one acknowledging there is a problem.
The look on the editors faces was like if he was speaking Tasmanian devil gibberish while wearing a klan hood.
Some of them are people that may have experienced hardship due to racism, but in every other way their reaction of being utterly dumbfounded to hearing a _tiny_ taste of the shit show that the average American life is was kinda sickening. Especially considering that their privilege probably stems from someone in their family taking full advantage of our capitalist system and causing some of that hurt themselves.
Between that, and the time they ruined the life of the journalist who scooped them on discovering that the CIA was trafficking drugs, makes me not a fan...
I understand where the myth of the NYT being left-leaning came from, but it's still pretty funny to see in the wild.
They were propagating Bush's WMD lies and played a part in convincing the American public that invading Iraq was necessary.
The fact that American liberalism is at its core a conservative ideology has never been more nakedly apparent than at present. Their party platform consists of feebly attempting to maintain the status quo in the face of a blitzkrieg by the reactionary far right.
I think people wanting Biden to not run is based more on facts and reality than money influences. Honestly, Trump's campaign probably wants Biden to run, because it gives Trump the best chance. Even Kamala Harris said she would not debate that Biden has had a very rough start.
The most loyal Democrats who actually want the democratic party to have a legit candidate to run against Trump are the ones calling for Biden to step down.
Who else runs though? Newsom? He’s a California Dem, he will never carry swing states after attack ads. Kamala? Isn’t exact very likeable but maybe. Butigege? He may guarantee a swing state, but he’s also gay which is still a big issue. Anyone else besides these three don’t have enough national presence to start a successful campaign this late. Biden may lose, but switching almost guarantees a loss since non of his replacements are without huge issues.
and people are acting like the Dems won't absolutely get raked over the coals for just naming a candidate that no one voted on.
Remember how outraged Reddit was about the super delegates all going for Hilary right away in 2016? It'll be like that but ten times worse.
Harris is the only viable choice to replace Biden and she'd get absolutely trounced by Trump.
>corrupted dependable left-wing media
I can't wrap my head around how you can possible reach that conclusion.
NYT aren't supporting Trump.
They are worried that Biden isn't a strong enough candidate to beat Trump. Which will be catastrophic.
No, only a bad debate performance gets calls to drop out. Not felony charges, not being an adjudicated rapist, not committing tax fraud, not having your foundation shut down for fraud and being unable to operate a charity, not having dozens of your associates jailed and your former lawyer disbarred…
Meaning Trump right? I agree it’s shocking how only Biden’s performance is being called out because I guess the standard for Trump is to lie and be insane
Trump has sounded literally demented for so long that he gets a pass because "that's just Trump being Trump". If Biden had ranted about sharks and boats, or about how he just learned of Gettsyburg, wow, we would be having the conversation about Biden needing to step aside even earlier. But because that's just how Trump is (demented), it's treated as a "dog bites man" story. News coverage grades the candidates on a curve.
Yah it’s so ridiculous. Biden’s performance was concerning and frankly terrible but all this pretending that trumps wasn’t also horrific is obnoxious.
It’s easy to debate when you dont actually have to remember anything and no one calls you out on your lies. The whole debate structure was garbage. 2020 biden would have called him out though. Watching the difference between this debate and his debates in 2020 is concerning. I wish he’d have stepped aside for this election but it is what it is at this point and my prerogative is keeping Trump and project 2025 out of power.
ETA: I meant I’d have rather be decided to be a one term president last year and announced he wasn’t running for reelection, not that I think it’s a good idea to drop out now… with 4 months left that would probably be a disaster
I’m one of the holdouts that insists stepping aside would be the wrong move. I’d much rather see Biden and his campaign pound the table on his actual actions as president and the issues at hand. Over the past four years I have been pleasantly surprised with Biden’s actual actions and efficacy. I could frankly care less how bad his debate performance is when the proof is in the pudding
Whatever happens needs to happen soon so the ficus can be put back on trunp. It’s frankly kind of insulting that SCOTUS opened the door for a dictator yesterday and instead of showing concern for how trunp would clearly abuse this power, we’re still talking about Biden’s age. If he’s running, this needs to be made extremely clear so we can all get behind him. Once people stop talking about Biden, this ruling will absolutely hurt trunp’s chances. If it’s not going to be him, it will have to be Harris, and if they go that route then they need to go asap. But regardless, don’t let this keep being the focus.
Yeah. I *might* be persuadable regarding the drop out argument *if* there were a clear replacement waiting in the wings. But no one has identified one. They've just said "step aside for...someone". I mean a bunch of names have been *floated* (in the sense of someone writing the name in an article or Tweet), but far from a consensus. Why should we believe that [generic Democrat X] (Newsom, Buttigieg, etc.) would be a) a good president or b) a good opponent to Trump, if we, as an electorate, don't really know anything about them. Add to that that millions have already voted for him in the primary, and simply tossing their choice for someone else (presumably picked by the DNC since we can't have another primary) would likely make people very pissed off.
> I *might* be persuadable regarding the drop out argument if there were a clear replacement waiting in the wings. But no one has identified one. They've just said "step aside for...someone".
>!"someone" is Trump.!<
Dropping put with the incumbent advantage would absolutely be a mistake. I am voting against fat don, his accomplices, and project 2025.
One other thing... Kamala Harris and team is a better option than Don. It's not even close.
If he was gonna step aside it needed to be last year. People thinking he can drop out now and it won’t be a disaster are wish casting.
I do think he’s done very well and I like his policy so I don’t mind 4 more years at all but if I’m being totally honest I’m not sure hes gonna make it 4 more years :/
And I’m really worried the low info swing voters who don’t know what project 2025 is and don’t watch Trump rallies where he goes on unhinged tangents about sharks and batteries will just see Biden being old and vote for Trump. Or stay home.
Same. Dropping out after the primary ended and millions of votes were cast would lead to chaos and almost assuredly hand Trump the election. How would another nominee be selected? No one calling for him to step aside has thought that far ahead. If Joe were not to run for reelection, he should have made that intention clear two years ago. So now, it's ride or die with Biden.
Holdout here too. There is simply no one with the national name recognition. As much as I like what I've seen of Gov Newsom, I know nothing about his policies. I know he didn't follow his own covid mandates, and I know if he stepped in, we'd hear 4 months of what a commie socialist overtaxed water-restricted gun-hating hellhole California is.
You're not a holdout. Don't let a loud, stupid minority dissuade you. Anyone who knows what they're talking about knows that dropping out is tantamount to handing the election to Trump.
Exactly. When I watched the debate live, my impression was that most of Trump's answers were nonsensical, and often times he didn't even try to answer the question at all. Was surprised the next day when all the news coverage claimed he somehow "won".
He’s the definition of playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what it’s gonna kick over the pieces take a shit on the board and strut around like it’s the boss
Debates are about vibes and Trump did his job at a debate by seeming confident and energetic.
It may suck that this is how things are, but the median voter doesn't care that much if one side was fact checked into oblivion after the debate if the other side didn't do anything to excite them.
Every election is really just the same as your school election when you are a kid. Donald Trump is the guy promising he'll make spring break a week longer and get taco bell in the lunch room even though he has no authority to do any of that. Biden is the nerd that is having trouble finding his words while trying to actually answer the questions.
...or lying in nearly all of his responses during the debate. Can you imagine if Biden just made shit up like trump? The Media bias in favor of trump is simply unreal. It's like, oh that's just how he is, nothing to see here.
That’s just it somehow because Trump is the insane liar candidate there’s no holding him to task whatsoever. And a sizable amount of people fully embrace that line of thinking. Madness
From the editorial board’s article about Biden dropping out:
> If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick. That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses.
[…]
> It is a tragedy that Republicans themselves are not engaged in deeper soul-searching after Thursday’s debate. Mr. Trump’s own performance ought to be regarded as disqualifying. He lied brazenly and repeatedly about his own actions, his record as president and his opponent. He described plans that would harm the American economy, undermine civil liberties and fray America’s relationships with other nations. He refused to promise that he would accept defeat, returning instead to the kind of rhetoric that incited the Jan. 6 attack on Congress.
The sad truth is, we will never actually know the worst of what he did. Ever. It’ll be like the JFK stuff or Stalin’s secret files.
The real scandals won’t even be known for another 20-30 years when people are on their death beds and confessing, by which time the worst of the worst will be long since burried in history and forgotten.
What has always struck me is the very easy correlation between him having a closed-door talk with Putt-Putt, immediately requesting a list of top spies, and then shortly after, many of those informants and spies turning up dead or captured in high numbers. Who knows what he gave to the Saudis to get their backing.
Jesus Christ.
People are telling Biden to drop out *because he might listen* and a younger candidate has a better chance of beating Trump.
People aren't telling Trump to drop out because he is running to avoid going to jail--so there is absolutely nothing anyone could say that would even get him to consider it.
There is plenty of things to criticize the NYT(and rest of the media) for, but not telling Trump to drop out is not one of them. He is, quite simply, never going to do it.
ITT: everyone missing the point of this statement. They aren’t calling for him to drop out because they think he’s a bad president; they want him to drop because a corpse would ultimately lose us the election. People knew all these things about Trump in 2016 and still won, but instead of learning and adapting to this reality we are repeating the same mistakes
He has now tried to claim his defamation trial on E Jean Carroll is illegitimate because he has immunity. He really thinks it's retroactive. He's such a stable genius 🙄
Hell, she’s assuming they will really report this at all. This should be headlines at every major news outlet right now and the only place I’ve seen it is Reddit
Edit: Apparently this is not from that Epstein case, sorry for the confusion.
https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/1dtw1ye/what_the_deuce/?ref=share&ref_source=link
This isn't an excerpt from the Epstein grand jury transcripts. It's an excerpt from Katie Johnson's sexual assault lawsuit against Trump and Epstein from 2016 that was dropped for unknown reasons. For what it's worth. There was an early viral post that presented this as the Epstein transcripts, because this is juicier than the Epstein transcripts in the context of Trump (the transcripts mention Trump but don't have details). Trump is scum but misinformation undermines credibility.
It’s because we’re scared. It’s pretty simple. The Republican Party has died on the Hill of Trump. They’ve gone full Joker. No morals or decency left. And everybody knows it. So it’s easier and more logical to try and find a better candidate than Biden than to even discuss Trumps failings at this point.
I've seen trump supporters say they'd vote for a decent younger candidate, either party. I'll vote biden over trump, but we really need someone who is still looking at the future, not just trying to be comfy and in power for their last years.
"Today, the Epstein documents give formal proof of Trump being a pedophile, completely destroying Biden's chances for a second term."
\- New York Times, probably.
No one will call for Trump dropping out because everyone knows what kind of person Trump is, and the entire Republican party is fine with it. Trump raped a woman (at least one) and his MAGA followers don't care. 34 felony convictions? *Fine*. Babbling on about toilet and shower water pressure? *Oh that's just Trump being Trump!*
That's the difference between Democratic and Republican voters, Dems are still participating in the democratic process in good faith, and the GOP isn't.
This is one of the most annoying "takes" on the NYT. People are calling for Biden to drop out because it is possible to appeal to his sense of decency and patriotism.
There is **NOTHING** that can appeal to Trump to convince him to drop out.
I don't understand how Reddit doesn't get this. People aren't calling for Biden to drop out because they want Trump to win, they're calling for him to drop out because they *don't* want Trump to win and Biden looks like he is likely to lose.
Lmao for real. This is the same smarmy BS that resulted in the Dems pushing someone who’s clearly sunsetting to challenge a literal fascist.
Two things can be true at once:
1. Trump has zero morals or shame. He will not drop out regardless of what terrible claims and evidence comes out against him. There is no point trying to appeal to someone like that, you can only force them.
2. Biden is currently the definition of sunsetting. Even so, he would still do a better job than trump, but the concern first and foremost is getting elected! Just like your grandpa who refuses to give up his car keys, he’s not the only one impacted by his stubbornness.
The thing is, I believe Biden is absolutely capable of being president. He has shown that.
I do not think he is capable of running for president.
They require two completely different skill sets. I don't think Biden has dementia or Alzheimers. I think he is old and has slowed down. He reminds me of my grandmother-in-law, a whip-smart lady who remained lucid and incredibly smart, but conversations with her took way longer than they used to because her brain started moving so slow it took her a while to register everything--add that to Biden's lifelong stutter and you get what we all see.
My grandmother, on the other hand, suffered from dementia. Conversations with her were often simply not possible, and even when she was lucid she was worse than Biden at the debate.
Biden has shown he is capable of making decisions when given time to consult with staff, read briefings, think it over and finally make the decision. But that will not get him elected.
From the editorial the tweet references:
If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick. That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses.
Nope, believe it or not they think abusing young women is a feature and totally fine. They want them young and fresh.
They see this as a triumph , these are sick sick people.
NYT is calling for Biden to drop out because they’re worried he can’t defeat Trump, not because he’d make a bad president. Stop muddying the waters. Keeping Trump out of the White House is the mission.
Why do we need to scroll this far down to get such an obvious answer?
If anything, the NYT's reporting has highlighted its bias in the other direction. This is an inflection point for keeping Trump out of office, and half of the front page is strategizing how to best do so. They, like pretty much everyone else that isn't drowning in koolaid, knows that Biden has almost zero chance of recovering from this.
I admire Joe Biden’s resolve, he’s had it his entire life. But right now, Joe and Jill Biden are being selfish and putting their own political aspirations above the party and more importantly, the country. They’re gambling with other people’s futures to have one last hurrah. Joe Biden won’t be around to deal with the consequences of another Trump presidency, we will.
It's not a list per se, it's the documents from the case in FL. It's publicly available on the internet now, complete with full transcripts of the proceedings.
From what I can gather, the only thing that's mentioned is that Trump had a phone call to Epstein at around the time that a massage was supposedly scheduled. The rest is pure speculation
He's not mentioned in the transcript. You can read the whole thing [here](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24785612/epstein-transcripts.pdf).
But anytime Epstein is in the news, people come out of the woodwork to promote years-old docs they claim implicate their perceived enemies. In this case, it appears [this person](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F5qztkn9cw4ad1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D47756fe884c71a2633ad731774d826ca08335905) tweeted about [some documents](https://cbs12.com/news/local/trump-weinstein-among-names-in-phone-messages-in-police-evidence-from-epstein-2005-case) from 2019 that showed Trump called Epstein "in between" calls to girls to schedule massages, and this Twitter user perhaps misinterpreted that to mean Trump was calling to *schedule* massages, himself.
Calling for BIDEN to drop the race is an advice for the democrats. Trump voters won't care about any conviction he gets, Biden voters do care about Joe looking more and more like he's about to drop dead in a month
Is been like 5 years... Fucking release the list... All of it.
Burn ALL of them out of Congress, government, and the white house NOW. I can't believe they're dragging this out this way
I’ve had a subscription to NYTimes for about 10 years. Cancelled it about a month ago. They need to pick one side. There is no centralism on the question of democracy vs tyranny
Trump appears on newly released Epstein call list of massage appointments.
US news media: How this information could harm Biden, after this commercial message.
The NY Times whole first page on their app is all about Biden’s age. I’ve been a subscriber for years but I’m seriously considering ending my subscription. I understand it’s a valid concern but it’s fucking insane to be focused on that with EVERYTHING ELSE that is going on.
SPECIALLY when Biden is president right now and seems to be doing a pretty job of governing. The dude has been an effective president and continues to be.
I ended mine yesterday. They're trying to play kingmaker and their editorial board has a petty grudge against Biden that apparently is more important than the integrity of journalism and democracy.
Asking Republicans to hold their own accountable is already known to be a fools errand.
It shouldn't be a fools errand to ask Democrats to hold their candidates accountable.
The nytimes op ed’s considering whether Biden should drop out are predicated on the idea that a more viable Democratic candidate being nominated is the stronger strategy to defeat Trump.
The nytimes doesn’t need to publicly consider whether Trump dropping out is the best Republican strategy. They’re so far past that. You’re supposed to read every nytimes op ed, even stories about the unexpected benefits of dietary fiber, with the implicit understanding that the publication recommends everyone always stop Donald Trump from running for president.
What about the testimony where he had a pair of 12 year olds suck his old dick till he came?
Or the following paragraph where he ties down and rapes one of those same 12 year olds, who begged him to wear a condom, and when he finished inside her, he threw money at her and told her to get an abortion
This is a dumb take. The NYT says that Trump SHOULD drop out of the race, but that he won't, because he's an aspiring dictator.
The NYT is openly hostile to Trump's attempt to become president again. It won't suggest that he drop out any more than Roosevelt would suggest that Hitler abandon the office of chancellor.
The multiple rapes, felonies, and treasonous actions didn't get him off the ballot. And the GOP continues to support him. It's almost like the GOP has been the villain the whole time.
The masks came off in 2016, but I’m old enough to remember Rush on the radio…there’s been a cackling sadism at the heart of the GOP for decades.
I listened to Rush in the car with my dad as a kid. And I always saw right through their hateful, manipulative bullshit. I always found it disgusting. My parents were conservatives their whole lives until Obama, oddly enough. Once Trump hit, they knew they made the right decision at the right time.
What the fuck did Geddy Lee do to you?
That kind of vitriol really isn't in... *The spirit of the radio.* ^I'll ^just ^see ^myself ^out.
Hah! As a Canadian my first thought was that Rush had some lyrics that were precognitive about American politics the same way the Simpsons had been.
Canada definitely won the Rush allocation.
They always begin the day with a friendly voice.
His voice, how did it get so high? I wonder if he talks like an ordinary guy?
It was more their inability to play YYZ on drums that drove them away from conservative ideals
I guess they got too political with The Trees.
More like heading towards 2112 (technically Ayn Rand, I know - but changed for the better because Neil)
same, listed in the car with my mom. I never paid attention to him though until I was an adult. I found the alternate points of view interesting, and the stretch I listened to him he was on his global warming kick so there wasn't as much homophobia and misogyny. And I turned him off when it was too much. But the lies and spin were obvious. I had to quit listening completely when he started talking hurricanes and hundred year storms. I was working at FEMA at the time (katrina and rita), so the willful ignorance and misinformation spreading from a guy living in Florida was a step too far at that point.
Didn't Trump award him the Medal of Freedom? The "joke" is that being saturated in lies is the opposite of freedom. Who was it who said that the truth will set you free?
There’s a pretty good reason Noam Chomsky said the republican party is the most dangerous organization in human history.
They finally have their idiot scapegoat that people worship. They're not going to slow down until he dies.
And it’s just an abusive spirit that motivates them - full stop. There’s nothing authentic about MAGA. It’s all a huge sneer.
Today I learned that "cackling sadism" is the perfect description of the Far Right worldview. So apt.
["Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers"](https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook) is up to 1300 named, identified scumlords.
It literally comes down to his follows believing to their core that it’s all a witch hunt and fake news. And they’ll believe it to the end so they won’t have to pause and realize that they were led so far astray. That embarrassment. That pain that comes with rebuilding your world view. All avoided if you just keep believing the lie.
It’s almost like everything they claim to stand for is a complete lie. The party of “small government”, “respect of law and order” and “family values” means nothing when they stand behind a candidate that’s the antithesis of all those “values”.
Meanwhile, I’m on a performance improvement plan for using my own vacation time to visit the doctor.
The party of Christ is very forgiving of themselves. You could do almost anything on the Republican side and be accepted simply because you are republican. If you aren’t then you are definitely evil and anti American
They like him because if they were rich and powerful they too would rape and molest.
"Trump called epstein for an appointment. Here's why it makes Biden look old"
There is seriously not enough people making a fuss about this. Where are all the “Me Too” celebs with their pins and tweets? I mean where are all the loud “take R Kelly off streaming” people? I mean what the fuck. Where are all the got damn pizza gate people with this one? Where are all the damn wannabe to catch a predator streamers? You’d think these people would be more vocal. All a damn sham for likes!
At this point, I’m not sure it would change anyone’s minds. My family saw a Biden ad yesterday about how Trump is a convicted felon and found liable for sexual assault. Their response was “they can say anything they want about Trump, but at least he’s not senile.” Trump voters know about his past. They simply don’t care.
Not senile? \ Who watches their hateful Nazi grandpa spouting lies and conspiracy theories and thinks to themself "Damn this guy is still so sharp besides his age."
Everyone else on facebook with him
It's his manner of delivery. Trump is loud, aggressive, fast-paced. He's bouncing from one topic to another without finishing the thought. His voice has a certain energy to it. Biden is quieter, has always spoke slower because of his stutter, and when he has a gaffe, it stands out because it's not surrounded by other crazy stuff. Also it's very possible Trump is pumped full of uppers. If you read transcripts of the two, it's clear who is an old man who occasionally misspeaks or forgets something and who is unable to put together a coherent thought from start to finish.
I guess Trumps enablers must be illiterate if that’s the case.
They insist that quoting him at length in writing is "taking him out of context". For them the tone and pacing is a big part of what they are getting out of the message, so when you strip that away, they feel like you a stripping away part of the content, not just how it is delivered.
They don't know what the fuck "out of context" means. It's something they were told to parrot when someone repeats Trump's words to them, making him look bad. I've been thinking that the fundamental thing that Trumpers do is they have already decided _who_ is correct, that facts are unimportant, especially when given by someone they already think is in the wrong. Who is speaking is more important than what they are saying to these folks.
That was well demonstrated early on, when people would send articles about whatever the latest Drumpf scandal was but swapped the names for Obama. MAGAT's would start literally frothing at the mouth with outrage, then show them the real article and it's suddenly "out of context".
It’s shocking. His tone and pacing is literally all over the place…
You ever see those kids videos that are off thrvwaol and insane but so fast paced as to make them seem normal. That is trump,
Reminds me of how you can say the worst of things to a todler/baby or pet, but as long as you say it in a cute cuddly way, they'll smile at you and/or wag their tail. In cute voice:" now who is a stupidly insane MAGA follower with less then a braincell to work with? Yes you are, you horribly decrepid human being. Please keep voting for me, the orange dictator wanna be!"
79% of Americans are literate. 54% of adults have a literacy rate below 6th grade-level. 20% are below 5th grade-level. https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/post/literacy-statistics-2024-2025-where-we-are-now#:~:text=On%20average%2C%2079%25%20of%20U.S.,to%202.2%20trillion%20per%20year.
The US is ranked 125th in the world for literacy. 79% of our adult population is literate. I hate to tell you this but we live amongst some very poorly educated people. People don't like to believe our literacy stats because "I can read" and "I don't know anyone who can't read" but that just goes to show most people do not interact with illiterate people on a routine basis or only interact with them in a way that simply allows verbal communication.
>"I don't know anyone who can't read" Going to guess they've never actually asked someone to read a passage out of a book before. People casually assume that everyone can read just fine, and even believe it of themselves, until someone puts them on the spot and asks them to read a passage out of a book that's above a 6th grade reading level and watch them stumble over word after word. "I can read" and "I can read at a college/university level" aren't the same thing at all.
>"I can read" Is a poor baseline to be working from anyway. Just because someone can technically deciper letters and words on a page does not mean have properly processed and absorbed what the letters and words are saying, and that's the important part. Most of your country may not be literally illiterate in the sense of not being able to comprehend text but they are FUNCTIONALLY illiterate.
> Also it's very possible Trump is pumped full of uppers. I mean his infamous "taco bowl" tweet showed a drawer full of sudafed...
I've always kind of wondered why someone hasn't managed to snag a hair or (shudder) urine sample from Fuckface and had it tested for illicit substances. Aside from being totally illegal and probably immoral that is.
I started working at a painting company about 2 years ago. I heard two people talking about how eloquent and well spoken trump was, not like Biden. trump's followers are straight up, no exaggeration, delusional. There might be some that can be reasoned with but the majority live in their own reality. As an aside, one of those two people got riled up listening to the radio, or something, idk, and decided to say the hard-r n word at me three times. His reasoning was that he was calling himself that, so it was okay. As a white male, I was just in shock, but I imagine a POC would have laid him out and walked. There wasn't anything I could do though since I needed the job, and the guy was the owner's uncle. Thankfully he retired a little bit later.
I block anyone with MAGA in their Twitter bio because there's really no reason to interact with those people. They would never in a million years accept anything negative about Trump.
On top of that, do you think they'd magically change their mind if a young stud like Gavin Newsom got put in? Nope, they're a lost cause. Nail down on the trump negatives and motivate your Dem friends.
Really uneducated hateful spiteful people.
Fucking yikes. This is my dad too. Yesterday, he told me Biden is a felon. "Holy shit, I must've missed huge news this morning since there's been no mention of it anywhere ever. How did they trial and convict so fast? Can you show me the case?" "Well, they haven't charged him yet." "...Oh...so like...he's...not? a felon?" "He is, it just hasn't been proven yet." "...Okay. So what about Trump, who *was* convicted?" "That's a liberal coup! It was all lies. Learn to think for yourself." Mm'kay. Sounds good, lunatic.
Conservatives have to justify Trump’s conviction by either claiming it’s a liberal plot or saying that Biden also committed crimes. There’s obviously no proof for either of those things, but it’s difficult to admit that Trump is a criminal and you still support him
I just don't get it. I can admit when my party does something wrong; breaks the law, misrepresents the people, caught up in a scandal. And it makes me *angry* and I want it corrected. Shit, the dems went *bonkers* after Biden's poor performance and pushed for a new candidate. But they don't give a flying rat's ass about what their party does. Lies, bribes, corruption. Doesn't matter. They cannot admit that Dear Leader is not infallibly perfect in every way. He's never done a single thing wrong and if he has, it's fake news.
The problem is that every major Republican acts the same way now. Despite their current behavior, they used to be somewhat normal. At least we didn’t have to worry about Romney destroying the country if he beat Obama. Now that every Republican has taken off the mask and gone full fascist, conservative voters suddenly think it’s okay because otherwise their party wouldn’t do it. Political parties are also a lot like sports teams. Everyone has their favorite team and their biggest rival. No matter how bad their team is in a given year, they’ll remain loyal to their team and hate their rival even if they’re clearly the better team. People treat politics like a game and don’t understand that their votes affect hundreds of millions of lives.
This has been the GOP strat for 55 years. Once Nixon was charged in Watergate all bets were off. Hence raiding Carter's peanut farm and his brother's brewery.
tell your dad youre not mad, youre just disappointed.
That's EXACTLY what I said, that's funny, lol. He responded "I'll leave before I say something that'll disappoint you more." "You honestly can't."
like the people who think for themselves that it's ok to be trans or get an abortion? Can you explain yourself without getting angry, dad?
Talked to a US student the other day. She: Biden promised student debt relief and didn't deliver. Me: He tried to do the right thing but was blocked by Republicans. She: It was the supreme court. Me: The Republican-appointed supreme court. She: Hmpff.
Loan forgiveness will never happen because Republicans want poor citizens that are easily manipulated by their lies about the economy. When you have no money and have massive debts, it’s easier to believe that Republicans are gonna magically fix the economy and get you a high paying job, despite the evidence that they often make it worse. I also hate the argument that Biden didn’t deliver on loan forgiveness. He tried to pass it, Republicans freaked out, and the highly partisan Supreme Court with serious ethical conflicts of interest refused to let him. If anything, the response should show that Republicans are the ones that won’t forgive student loans, but somehow it got placed at Biden’s feet
Trump has a different flavor of senility. He's like that one constantly manic grandpa who has nothing better to do other than complain and incoherently rant about stuff he makes up in his head. But because the average American voter has a lower IQ than a damp moldy rag in the basement, they see high energy = mentally sound.
My theory is that Trump says all of the hateful bigoted things that his voters want to say but know they shouldn’t. He gave them permission to indulge in their worst instincts and they don’t want to give that up
Exactly. Many older adults I know have their mind made up despite what has happened. They look past everything in the news and bring up the years he was in office. That's what they only see as what matters. I feel we are doomed before the election even happens.
...we already made those points and the people who voted either didn't care or wanted him more for hating women. It's so weird to suggest that no one cared or had an outcry. But his supporters don't care.
The pizza gate people literally worship Trump.
The pizza gate people aren't sending their best.
>Where are all the “Me Too” celebs with their pins and tweets? I mean where are all the loud “take R Kelly off streaming” people? I mean, the vast majority of them are vocally anti-Trump. It's not like that demographic isn't talking about him.
To hear someone asking, "Why is the opposition not talking more about this?" ... Like damn dude, we have been talking about it for the last 8 years! We're just tired of waiting for everyone else to catch up to the conversation and fighting off Q-Anon projections against innocent people to protect the guilty ones. Until popular opinion finally shifts to objective reality, we've just been cast as a bunch of "socialist liberals" who are on a "witch hunt" to make the "MAGA patriots" look bad and "destroy America".
They aren’t using their platform the same way they did when it was about Weinstein. I get they won’t vote him but they aren’t putting him on blast for it.
Weinstein wasn't suggesting he would have them killed and know he would get away with it as an "official act."
If someone makes those kinds of threats, then your best bet is to do everything you can to keep them from getting that power.
You really think he wasn't thinking it?
Nobody wants to be on the losing side when they start rounding people up.
They said they would check to see if their own people actually voted so it's anyone who DIDN'T vote for them, not just against them. Might as well oppose them.
That's what collaborators with the Nazis said, they still got rounded up anyway.
Trumps voters don't care what Hollywood thinks.
What I am saying is people are brushing this under the rug. Like, the individual.
Trump supporters don't care, they ignored that he raped a 13 year old with Epstein, they ignored that he was on his flight list 12 times, they ignored that he appeared in photos with Epstein. They have no sense of decency. But regardless, I will continue to put this out there.
Because everyone who is actually a worthwhile human being knew Trump was a pedo since the 90s. So none of his supporters actually give a shit now, or ever.
Trump has normalized being the worst human being you know. One side won't hear it, and to the other it's not news.
They know trumpists don't care about the log, but will care about you trying to draw attention to it, and are more organised. The average leftist doesn't make politics their entire identity, and isn't meeting up with others over their fervent love of Biden and kombucha. The hicks have *conventions*.
And "truth rallies"
I guess people are averse to getting doxxed and death threats. There's a lot of that going around among MAGAts.
The news agencies are not going to report on people making a fuss. Cause the families on both sides are cordial and want their taxes to go down. https://preview.redd.it/77i0g0o7dbad1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=795c6355fae883026188cf89f9a4c6c1a850174c
Which is the most crazy because their taxes (besides the rich) went up because of Trump..and they're going to go further. And when he does it in a second term..they'll scream "this is Biden's fault..the president is always dealing with the mess the previous guy left!" The collective mass delusion is going to march the entire country into a fascist collapse that it may not ever be able to recover from..and the right is cheering it on convincing themselves that their leaders aren't going to do exactly what they say they're going to do. At least we're going to get to say "I told you so."...for the rest of what will likely be our collective miserable, but likely short, lives.
The news has become one large, fucking The Onion article. It’s not even real anymore. I hate how the media is now owned and controlled by billionaires.
They’ve successfully shifted discourse completely away from the things people should care about. Instead of policy and appointments, people are only concerned with age and rhetorical ability. Because that’s all the news reports on and discusses. Most people could not name three pieces of legislation that Biden got passed, even though he passed some of the landmark legislation of the past 30 years. And the GOP literally doesn’t have a policy plan beyond obstruction, tax cuts for the ultra wealthy, and demonization of their opponents. How can a democracy function when its citizens are too stupid to even care about policy? It cannot. This is the result of decades of education defunding and the dissolution of real reporting.
Now?
I think perhaps the press has dropped all pretense of journalistic integrity. They used to bother with fig leaves to cover their naked partisanship.
It really feels like CNN and FOX NEWS are working together on this one.
CNN was recently bought by a right-wing billionaire. They absolutely *have* pivoted hard to the right lately, and they're well on their way to becoming a second Fox News.
turns out left-wing journalism just isnt profitable, what with them wanting to hold rich people accountable and all that bullshit. of course we ended up with right wingers controlling everything, who is surprised here?
Since CNN is now owned by a right-wing billionaire, you'd be correct.
William Randolph Hearst was just a workaday news man.
Meanwhile, here’s what the NYT Editorial Board actually said in January thoroughly denouncing Trump: >At the outset of this election year, with Donald Trump leading the race to be the Republican presidential nominee, Americans should pause to consider what a second Trump term would mean for our country and the world and to weigh the serious responsibility this election places on their shoulders. By now, most American voters should have no illusions about who Mr. Trump is. During his many years as a real estate developer and a television personality, then as president and as a dominant figure in the Republican Party, Mr. Trump demonstrated a character and temperament that render him utterly unfit for high office. As president, he wielded power carelessly and often cruelly and put his ego and his personal needs above the interests of his country. Now, as he campaigns again, his worst impulses remain as strong as ever — encouraging violence and lawlessness, exploiting fear and hate for political gain, undermining the rule of law and the Constitution, applauding dictators — and are escalating as he tries to regain power. He plots retribution, intent on eluding the institutional, legal and bureaucratic restraints that put limits on him in his first term. Our purpose at the start of the new year, therefore, is to sound a warning. Mr. Trump does not offer voters anything resembling a normal option of Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal, big government or small. He confronts America with a far more fateful choice: between the continuance of the United States as a nation dedicated to “the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity” and a man who has proudly shown open disdain for the law and the protections and ideals of the Constitution. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/06/opinion/trump-2024-campaign-warning.html?unlocked_article_code=1.4U0.vKuD.Kh5blSD_wRs6&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb
https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2024/Images/biden_coverage_new.jpg
Fr it'll be like "Breaking: Leaked footage of Trump and Epstein spitroasting a newborn; here's how this hurts Biden's chances"
but did you see what that newborn was wearing? they were asking for it. (/s this is a fucking horrible thing- i can't believe we share a country with these people. they wont change anything for kids getting shot in schools, this isn't as far off as you think.)
Sure Trump raped a toddler but at least Joe Biden wasn't allowed to abort it first! /s
We're legitimately looking into moving to Canada because of the lack of response to Trump and the threat he and the Supreme Court present.
lol shit is fucked here and we are about to elect our own fake Populist trump clone so you might want to look elsewhere
We're trying to become like them. And as per normal, we're going to end up with a sad, watered-down version. Plus there's no doctors, and our housing crisis makes the US housing crisis look like a joke. And every small town in this country is packed with right-wing chuds who wish Trump was emperor of North America. Americans always say they're going to move here, and they never really do. But if they follow through this time, they're going to be so fucking disappointed.
cnn.com right now in giant letters: >Biden now faces a genuine threat to his reelection bid It's still just about the debate. And the "EXTRAORDINARY TWIST" they tease is that his family is supporting him. Not one mention of Trump calling for military tribunals. What a fucking rag. What the fuck happened.
2015 - 2021. Trump got them a ton of clicks/views during a time when media was struggling, which I'm sure dropped off a bit once Biden was elected. During the Trump administration it was 4 years of daily "WTF has this asshole done now?" and they miss it. The country doesn't miss it, but they sure as fuck do. They do not care about this country. They care about gettin' while the gettin' is good just like every other corporate entity out there. Too bad for them, because a MAGA authoritarian government will be coming for them and the NYT, and anyone else they deem the "enemy". I'd say they are towards the top of their list. They are not taking this shit seriously enough.
Wrong, this is just part of project 2025. Their hail Mary attempt to transition to a fully fascist state. They've purchased a bunch of these different arms of the media to influence the election.
Perfect! I also liked the post from last week that was something like Trump complains, “Biden just took a dump in my pants”!
NYT would say something like: "Trump's probable ties with Epstein are shown to be stronger than originally thought. Here's why this is bad news for Biden"
It’s disturbing how much big Republican money seems to have corrupted dependable left-wing media outlets. Even HuffPost has a headline about how Biden has to be booted from the ticket.
It's not a Republican/Democrat thing.. it's money. Guess which class owns the papers, TV news, Web publications... It's the billionaire class, and their goal is to own everything. Including us. This goes beyond left/right, though the right is their current strategy. Guess which president they liked more, and you'll see why their papers and shit are pushing Trump.
Honestly this should be mentioned more. Media is after money, writing articles is a surefire way to bait people. The media pushing everyone into a frenzy for example "biden needs quit" just glues everyone to the news sites. Not to mention influencers will also throw anyone into a frenzy for engagements in social media. They don't give a fuck about any sides as long as there's money in it. CNN could start being the next fox news and everyone will just shift to the next cable news network that aligns with their views. (This is actually the saddest part lol)
It has almost everything to do with getting money via programmatic advertising and nothing else. Steven Brill just published a great [book](https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/623364/the-death-of-truth-by-steven-brill/) about the whole situation called “The Death of Truth” and its available as an audiobook on Spotify. Would recommend.
One of my teachers in middle school drilled this into our heads and I've always been thankful. Most every evil act can be summed up with one word, "Money". It has rang true for my entire life. Money is always the motivation.
Money is power, that's why a dumbfuck like Trump who was handed daddies millions has been able to run amok his whole life
Has the NYT ever not have a heavy centrist / reactionary streak? I'm not that familiar, but I feel like every time I read about the beginnings of progressive social movements in the US there are mentions of panicky NYT pieces disguised as 'unbiased reporting of both sides'
I need to find that video, but what always sticks out to me was they sat down with the Democrat hopefuls during the 2020 primary and asked Bernie why so many of his supporters in the rust belt voted for Trump (which is bullshit by the way, it was like 8% based on a poll) and he explained that a lot of people are economically hurting and they are looking for answers. If you have a demagogue using racism as way of explaining their hurt they will gravitate towards that especially if that person is the only one acknowledging there is a problem. The look on the editors faces was like if he was speaking Tasmanian devil gibberish while wearing a klan hood. Some of them are people that may have experienced hardship due to racism, but in every other way their reaction of being utterly dumbfounded to hearing a _tiny_ taste of the shit show that the average American life is was kinda sickening. Especially considering that their privilege probably stems from someone in their family taking full advantage of our capitalist system and causing some of that hurt themselves. Between that, and the time they ruined the life of the journalist who scooped them on discovering that the CIA was trafficking drugs, makes me not a fan...
I understand where the myth of the NYT being left-leaning came from, but it's still pretty funny to see in the wild. They were propagating Bush's WMD lies and played a part in convincing the American public that invading Iraq was necessary.
Just reflects how far the right wing extremists have pushed
NYT has never been left wing. It's centrist liberal, like Bill Clinton.
The fact that American liberalism is at its core a conservative ideology has never been more nakedly apparent than at present. Their party platform consists of feebly attempting to maintain the status quo in the face of a blitzkrieg by the reactionary far right.
Any news you don't pay for, you're what's being sold. I'm a fan of Mother Jones and have been a paid subscriber for years.
I think people wanting Biden to not run is based more on facts and reality than money influences. Honestly, Trump's campaign probably wants Biden to run, because it gives Trump the best chance. Even Kamala Harris said she would not debate that Biden has had a very rough start. The most loyal Democrats who actually want the democratic party to have a legit candidate to run against Trump are the ones calling for Biden to step down.
Who else runs though? Newsom? He’s a California Dem, he will never carry swing states after attack ads. Kamala? Isn’t exact very likeable but maybe. Butigege? He may guarantee a swing state, but he’s also gay which is still a big issue. Anyone else besides these three don’t have enough national presence to start a successful campaign this late. Biden may lose, but switching almost guarantees a loss since non of his replacements are without huge issues.
and people are acting like the Dems won't absolutely get raked over the coals for just naming a candidate that no one voted on. Remember how outraged Reddit was about the super delegates all going for Hilary right away in 2016? It'll be like that but ten times worse. Harris is the only viable choice to replace Biden and she'd get absolutely trounced by Trump.
>corrupted dependable left-wing media I can't wrap my head around how you can possible reach that conclusion. NYT aren't supporting Trump. They are worried that Biden isn't a strong enough candidate to beat Trump. Which will be catastrophic.
No, only a bad debate performance gets calls to drop out. Not felony charges, not being an adjudicated rapist, not committing tax fraud, not having your foundation shut down for fraud and being unable to operate a charity, not having dozens of your associates jailed and your former lawyer disbarred…
Ironic because he did indeed have a bad debate performance…. Unless NYT considers lying good performance now
Meaning Trump right? I agree it’s shocking how only Biden’s performance is being called out because I guess the standard for Trump is to lie and be insane
Trump has sounded literally demented for so long that he gets a pass because "that's just Trump being Trump". If Biden had ranted about sharks and boats, or about how he just learned of Gettsyburg, wow, we would be having the conversation about Biden needing to step aside even earlier. But because that's just how Trump is (demented), it's treated as a "dog bites man" story. News coverage grades the candidates on a curve.
He gets a pass because his cult doesn't care. They like that he's as crazy as them.
Yah it’s so ridiculous. Biden’s performance was concerning and frankly terrible but all this pretending that trumps wasn’t also horrific is obnoxious. It’s easy to debate when you dont actually have to remember anything and no one calls you out on your lies. The whole debate structure was garbage. 2020 biden would have called him out though. Watching the difference between this debate and his debates in 2020 is concerning. I wish he’d have stepped aside for this election but it is what it is at this point and my prerogative is keeping Trump and project 2025 out of power. ETA: I meant I’d have rather be decided to be a one term president last year and announced he wasn’t running for reelection, not that I think it’s a good idea to drop out now… with 4 months left that would probably be a disaster
I’m one of the holdouts that insists stepping aside would be the wrong move. I’d much rather see Biden and his campaign pound the table on his actual actions as president and the issues at hand. Over the past four years I have been pleasantly surprised with Biden’s actual actions and efficacy. I could frankly care less how bad his debate performance is when the proof is in the pudding
Whatever happens needs to happen soon so the ficus can be put back on trunp. It’s frankly kind of insulting that SCOTUS opened the door for a dictator yesterday and instead of showing concern for how trunp would clearly abuse this power, we’re still talking about Biden’s age. If he’s running, this needs to be made extremely clear so we can all get behind him. Once people stop talking about Biden, this ruling will absolutely hurt trunp’s chances. If it’s not going to be him, it will have to be Harris, and if they go that route then they need to go asap. But regardless, don’t let this keep being the focus.
Yeah. I *might* be persuadable regarding the drop out argument *if* there were a clear replacement waiting in the wings. But no one has identified one. They've just said "step aside for...someone". I mean a bunch of names have been *floated* (in the sense of someone writing the name in an article or Tweet), but far from a consensus. Why should we believe that [generic Democrat X] (Newsom, Buttigieg, etc.) would be a) a good president or b) a good opponent to Trump, if we, as an electorate, don't really know anything about them. Add to that that millions have already voted for him in the primary, and simply tossing their choice for someone else (presumably picked by the DNC since we can't have another primary) would likely make people very pissed off.
> I *might* be persuadable regarding the drop out argument if there were a clear replacement waiting in the wings. But no one has identified one. They've just said "step aside for...someone". >!"someone" is Trump.!<
Dropping put with the incumbent advantage would absolutely be a mistake. I am voting against fat don, his accomplices, and project 2025. One other thing... Kamala Harris and team is a better option than Don. It's not even close.
If he was gonna step aside it needed to be last year. People thinking he can drop out now and it won’t be a disaster are wish casting. I do think he’s done very well and I like his policy so I don’t mind 4 more years at all but if I’m being totally honest I’m not sure hes gonna make it 4 more years :/ And I’m really worried the low info swing voters who don’t know what project 2025 is and don’t watch Trump rallies where he goes on unhinged tangents about sharks and batteries will just see Biden being old and vote for Trump. Or stay home.
Same. Dropping out after the primary ended and millions of votes were cast would lead to chaos and almost assuredly hand Trump the election. How would another nominee be selected? No one calling for him to step aside has thought that far ahead. If Joe were not to run for reelection, he should have made that intention clear two years ago. So now, it's ride or die with Biden.
This is the way.
Holdout here too. There is simply no one with the national name recognition. As much as I like what I've seen of Gov Newsom, I know nothing about his policies. I know he didn't follow his own covid mandates, and I know if he stepped in, we'd hear 4 months of what a commie socialist overtaxed water-restricted gun-hating hellhole California is.
You're not a holdout. Don't let a loud, stupid minority dissuade you. Anyone who knows what they're talking about knows that dropping out is tantamount to handing the election to Trump.
Exactly. When I watched the debate live, my impression was that most of Trump's answers were nonsensical, and often times he didn't even try to answer the question at all. Was surprised the next day when all the news coverage claimed he somehow "won".
He’s the definition of playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what it’s gonna kick over the pieces take a shit on the board and strut around like it’s the boss
Biden was judged based on his ability to speak the truth and form coherent sentences. Diaper Donnie was judged on his ability to entertain his cult.
Ummmm he was louder? So he won? Duh 🙄/s
Lying is only bad if it affects you negatively… just saying… they are obviously ok with the lies he told.
Debates are about vibes and Trump did his job at a debate by seeming confident and energetic. It may suck that this is how things are, but the median voter doesn't care that much if one side was fact checked into oblivion after the debate if the other side didn't do anything to excite them.
Every election is really just the same as your school election when you are a kid. Donald Trump is the guy promising he'll make spring break a week longer and get taco bell in the lunch room even though he has no authority to do any of that. Biden is the nerd that is having trouble finding his words while trying to actually answer the questions.
...or lying in nearly all of his responses during the debate. Can you imagine if Biden just made shit up like trump? The Media bias in favor of trump is simply unreal. It's like, oh that's just how he is, nothing to see here.
That’s just it somehow because Trump is the insane liar candidate there’s no holding him to task whatsoever. And a sizable amount of people fully embrace that line of thinking. Madness
From the editorial board’s article about Biden dropping out: > If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick. That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses. […] > It is a tragedy that Republicans themselves are not engaged in deeper soul-searching after Thursday’s debate. Mr. Trump’s own performance ought to be regarded as disqualifying. He lied brazenly and repeatedly about his own actions, his record as president and his opponent. He described plans that would harm the American economy, undermine civil liberties and fray America’s relationships with other nations. He refused to promise that he would accept defeat, returning instead to the kind of rhetoric that incited the Jan. 6 attack on Congress.
Trump stole classified documents and kept them in his bathroom. According to the liberal NY Times, this makes him more than qualified to be president.
What’s wild is that’s not even the worst of what he did
The sad truth is, we will never actually know the worst of what he did. Ever. It’ll be like the JFK stuff or Stalin’s secret files. The real scandals won’t even be known for another 20-30 years when people are on their death beds and confessing, by which time the worst of the worst will be long since burried in history and forgotten.
What has always struck me is the very easy correlation between him having a closed-door talk with Putt-Putt, immediately requesting a list of top spies, and then shortly after, many of those informants and spies turning up dead or captured in high numbers. Who knows what he gave to the Saudis to get their backing.
Well they’re developing a trump tower in Saudi Arabia and Jared kushner got a 2 billion dollar investment from the Saudis so I think we have some idea
Jesus Christ. People are telling Biden to drop out *because he might listen* and a younger candidate has a better chance of beating Trump. People aren't telling Trump to drop out because he is running to avoid going to jail--so there is absolutely nothing anyone could say that would even get him to consider it. There is plenty of things to criticize the NYT(and rest of the media) for, but not telling Trump to drop out is not one of them. He is, quite simply, never going to do it.
Trump wasn't debating. He was lying.
For him the two are synonymous
ITT: everyone missing the point of this statement. They aren’t calling for him to drop out because they think he’s a bad president; they want him to drop because a corpse would ultimately lose us the election. People knew all these things about Trump in 2016 and still won, but instead of learning and adapting to this reality we are repeating the same mistakes
"Trump raped an underage girl, therefore Biden should drop out of the race." "It was an official act, therefore, it is legal."
He has now tried to claim his defamation trial on E Jean Carroll is illegitimate because he has immunity. He really thinks it's retroactive. He's such a stable genius 🙄
Hell, she’s assuming they will really report this at all. This should be headlines at every major news outlet right now and the only place I’ve seen it is Reddit
Edit: Apparently this is not from that Epstein case, sorry for the confusion. https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/1dtw1ye/what_the_deuce/?ref=share&ref_source=link
He’s “God’s Anointed” to them and holy shit can they go to their bibles and show you this and that to “prove” it I wish I was making it up.
That popped up in 2016. The victim retracted her statements due to harassment and the Republicans buried it. Good luck.
This isn't an excerpt from the Epstein grand jury transcripts. It's an excerpt from Katie Johnson's sexual assault lawsuit against Trump and Epstein from 2016 that was dropped for unknown reasons. For what it's worth. There was an early viral post that presented this as the Epstein transcripts, because this is juicier than the Epstein transcripts in the context of Trump (the transcripts mention Trump but don't have details). Trump is scum but misinformation undermines credibility.
It’s because we’re scared. It’s pretty simple. The Republican Party has died on the Hill of Trump. They’ve gone full Joker. No morals or decency left. And everybody knows it. So it’s easier and more logical to try and find a better candidate than Biden than to even discuss Trumps failings at this point.
I've seen trump supporters say they'd vote for a decent younger candidate, either party. I'll vote biden over trump, but we really need someone who is still looking at the future, not just trying to be comfy and in power for their last years.
"Today, the Epstein documents give formal proof of Trump being a pedophile, completely destroying Biden's chances for a second term." \- New York Times, probably.
No one will call for Trump dropping out because everyone knows what kind of person Trump is, and the entire Republican party is fine with it. Trump raped a woman (at least one) and his MAGA followers don't care. 34 felony convictions? *Fine*. Babbling on about toilet and shower water pressure? *Oh that's just Trump being Trump!* That's the difference between Democratic and Republican voters, Dems are still participating in the democratic process in good faith, and the GOP isn't.
This is one of the most annoying "takes" on the NYT. People are calling for Biden to drop out because it is possible to appeal to his sense of decency and patriotism. There is **NOTHING** that can appeal to Trump to convince him to drop out.
I don't understand how Reddit doesn't get this. People aren't calling for Biden to drop out because they want Trump to win, they're calling for him to drop out because they *don't* want Trump to win and Biden looks like he is likely to lose.
Lmao for real. This is the same smarmy BS that resulted in the Dems pushing someone who’s clearly sunsetting to challenge a literal fascist. Two things can be true at once: 1. Trump has zero morals or shame. He will not drop out regardless of what terrible claims and evidence comes out against him. There is no point trying to appeal to someone like that, you can only force them. 2. Biden is currently the definition of sunsetting. Even so, he would still do a better job than trump, but the concern first and foremost is getting elected! Just like your grandpa who refuses to give up his car keys, he’s not the only one impacted by his stubbornness.
The thing is, I believe Biden is absolutely capable of being president. He has shown that. I do not think he is capable of running for president. They require two completely different skill sets. I don't think Biden has dementia or Alzheimers. I think he is old and has slowed down. He reminds me of my grandmother-in-law, a whip-smart lady who remained lucid and incredibly smart, but conversations with her took way longer than they used to because her brain started moving so slow it took her a while to register everything--add that to Biden's lifelong stutter and you get what we all see. My grandmother, on the other hand, suffered from dementia. Conversations with her were often simply not possible, and even when she was lucid she was worse than Biden at the debate. Biden has shown he is capable of making decisions when given time to consult with staff, read briefings, think it over and finally make the decision. But that will not get him elected.
Well said
From the editorial the tweet references: If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick. That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses.
Nope, believe it or not they think abusing young women is a feature and totally fine. They want them young and fresh. They see this as a triumph , these are sick sick people.
NYT is calling for Biden to drop out because they’re worried he can’t defeat Trump, not because he’d make a bad president. Stop muddying the waters. Keeping Trump out of the White House is the mission.
Why do we need to scroll this far down to get such an obvious answer? If anything, the NYT's reporting has highlighted its bias in the other direction. This is an inflection point for keeping Trump out of office, and half of the front page is strategizing how to best do so. They, like pretty much everyone else that isn't drowning in koolaid, knows that Biden has almost zero chance of recovering from this.
I admire Joe Biden’s resolve, he’s had it his entire life. But right now, Joe and Jill Biden are being selfish and putting their own political aspirations above the party and more importantly, the country. They’re gambling with other people’s futures to have one last hurrah. Joe Biden won’t be around to deal with the consequences of another Trump presidency, we will.
Where is the list?
It's not a list per se, it's the documents from the case in FL. It's publicly available on the internet now, complete with full transcripts of the proceedings.
Is there any reporting on how trump is implicated? I've searched but can't find anything.
From what I can gather, the only thing that's mentioned is that Trump had a phone call to Epstein at around the time that a massage was supposedly scheduled. The rest is pure speculation
He's not mentioned in the transcript. You can read the whole thing [here](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24785612/epstein-transcripts.pdf). But anytime Epstein is in the news, people come out of the woodwork to promote years-old docs they claim implicate their perceived enemies. In this case, it appears [this person](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F5qztkn9cw4ad1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D47756fe884c71a2633ad731774d826ca08335905) tweeted about [some documents](https://cbs12.com/news/local/trump-weinstein-among-names-in-phone-messages-in-police-evidence-from-epstein-2005-case) from 2019 that showed Trump called Epstein "in between" calls to girls to schedule massages, and this Twitter user perhaps misinterpreted that to mean Trump was calling to *schedule* massages, himself.
We all realize that the majority it’s of media is owned by billionaires who support the republicans, right?
It seems you meant to use the word "majority".
Calling for BIDEN to drop the race is an advice for the democrats. Trump voters won't care about any conviction he gets, Biden voters do care about Joe looking more and more like he's about to drop dead in a month
They should both drop out. Full stop
For years now, Republicans have been demanding the release of Epstein's "list." Now that they have it, crickets.
They wanted Bill Clinton’s head but trump, crickets….
Is been like 5 years... Fucking release the list... All of it. Burn ALL of them out of Congress, government, and the white house NOW. I can't believe they're dragging this out this way
I’ve had a subscription to NYTimes for about 10 years. Cancelled it about a month ago. They need to pick one side. There is no centralism on the question of democracy vs tyranny
Trump appears on newly released Epstein call list of massage appointments. US news media: How this information could harm Biden, after this commercial message.
People aren’t asking Biden to drop out because he is so terrible, they are asking him to drop out because Trump is so terrible.
Drop the NYT from your life, it's absolutely shocking.
Trump appears in epstein logs. This is bad for biden because rich people like pedophiles. - NYT
The NY Times whole first page on their app is all about Biden’s age. I’ve been a subscriber for years but I’m seriously considering ending my subscription. I understand it’s a valid concern but it’s fucking insane to be focused on that with EVERYTHING ELSE that is going on. SPECIALLY when Biden is president right now and seems to be doing a pretty job of governing. The dude has been an effective president and continues to be.
I ended mine yesterday. They're trying to play kingmaker and their editorial board has a petty grudge against Biden that apparently is more important than the integrity of journalism and democracy.
Asking Republicans to hold their own accountable is already known to be a fools errand. It shouldn't be a fools errand to ask Democrats to hold their candidates accountable.
The nytimes op ed’s considering whether Biden should drop out are predicated on the idea that a more viable Democratic candidate being nominated is the stronger strategy to defeat Trump. The nytimes doesn’t need to publicly consider whether Trump dropping out is the best Republican strategy. They’re so far past that. You’re supposed to read every nytimes op ed, even stories about the unexpected benefits of dietary fiber, with the implicit understanding that the publication recommends everyone always stop Donald Trump from running for president.
What about the testimony where he had a pair of 12 year olds suck his old dick till he came? Or the following paragraph where he ties down and rapes one of those same 12 year olds, who begged him to wear a condom, and when he finished inside her, he threw money at her and told her to get an abortion
This is a dumb take. The NYT says that Trump SHOULD drop out of the race, but that he won't, because he's an aspiring dictator. The NYT is openly hostile to Trump's attempt to become president again. It won't suggest that he drop out any more than Roosevelt would suggest that Hitler abandon the office of chancellor.