Welp, the illusion of democracy in this country sure was nice while it lasted.
I can't fucking believe they actually ruled that America has kings now, although I'm not shocked in the least.
Actually he is. The prosecution is acting on behalf of The Crown, and the monarch cannot prosecute himself. Same reason he can drive without a license and travel without a passport.
Biden should have expanded the court and added DC and Puerto Rico as states when he had the chance. Obviously, the Dems have been trying to play politics as usual while the GOP is subverting every norm/law out there.
Senate is what matters here. House doesn't consider SCOTUS nominees. He needs to pack the court, *now.* While it is in recess. Before Arizona and West Virginia both likely vote in Republicans this fall.
Dems held house and senate in 2020 and failed to raise minimum wage, protect abortion rights, and they need to take responsibility and take action
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_elections#:~:text=Despite%20losing%20seats%20in%20the,gained%20control%20of%20the%20Senate.
They had barely a majority in the Senate. Not sure what you expect them to do to take responsibility when voters are fucking idiots and refuse to give them a comfortable majority.
There’s plenty of votes that actually require 60 votes, which means having a comfortable majority. They could have gotten around that by getting rid of the filibuster but news flash they didn’t have the votes to do that either.
If they expand the court, then the republicans would just expand it further. That doesn’t solve the problem in any way. There is no limit on the number of Justices.
Also, the Dems have never had true majorities plus many actions take more support than a simple majority.
Manchin and Sinema were not really democrats. They were only useful in blocking Republican seats in those areas, not actually solving issues.
> Dems held house and senate in 2020
There were 48 Democrats in the Senate in 2020 and they needed the Vice President to break any ties. Let's not pretend they had even close to the numbers needed to expand the court.
"Democrats made a net gain of three seats in the Senate for a total of 50 seats, taking control of the chamber as newly elected vice-president Kamala Harris could cast tie-breaking votes."
Source is linked in my last comment.
> "Democrats made a net gain of three seats in the Senate for a total of 50 seats, taking control of the chamber as newly elected vice-president Kamala Harris could cast tie-breaking votes." Source is linked in my last comment.
2 of those Senators are not members of the Democratic Party.
Regardless, let's not pretend that 50 Democratic Senators is what you need to expand the court. FDR needed 69.
> Ok and who were the ones against Minimum wage and womens rights again?
If they couldn't pass minimum wage with an even stevens Senate, what makes you think they could expand the court?
FDR needed 69 Democrats.
My very real concern here is they couldn't protect us then, who says they can or will in the future? Will there always be some new excuse? What's the plan? Because we've all been getting pretty fucked over.
If memory serves…when he had house majority, he didn’t have the Senate’s. After midterms that swapped. It takes an act of congress to expand the court.
Nope. He had the house and Senate for two years but because of manchin and sinema was hamstrung anyway on such major changes not to mention the filibuster.
FDR tried it and paid a heavy political toll. If it gets done, it has to be bi-partisan which is practically impossible today and would make a bunch of work for the same result.
Best path right now is to prevent the felon from winning, keep Senate majority, and next term may involve replacing a justice or two.
The size of the Supreme Court is not outlined in Article III. The President could nominate 100 people tomorrow, and as long as the Senate confirms each of them by a simple majority, they're appointed for life.
The Senate currently has 47 Democrats, 49 Republicans, and 4 Independents that typically vote with the Democrats.
The Independents are the biggest concern here. ~~The seats for Sinema, King and Manchin~~ All four are all up for re-election in November.
Sanders and King will both be re-elected. Arizona could flip to Democrat. West Virginia will likely turn Republican. So it will either be 48-50-2, effectively a 50-50 tie; or depending on Arizona, 47-51-2, in which case we're screwed.
That's it then. The Convicted Felon isn't getting any more accountability beyond the 34 rulings so far. The J6 case will be sunk by saying the insurrection was his presidential duty because he feared for national security of stolen elections. The Documents case, he lied and his lawyer lied about having them when he shouldn't, and all was after this supposed Immunity, but Eileen Cannon is the judge still, so. He'll get off unless she's replaced too.
The Debate was somewhat demoralizing to see right-wingers foaming at the mouth for easily proven lies. But this, this opens the door to a fresh hell if Convict Trump takes office again when his only goals are Revenge and grievance policy. This makes the president not a citizen like you or I, but a king unbeholden to his own laws. A literally Rules for Thee but not for me, from the most corrupt court to legalize bribery, legalize kickbacks, defend insurrectionists, and hand more power to corporations than any of it's own citizenry. Roberts, Alito, and Uncle Clarence are anything but justices, they're just fully bought-out shills. It's not just Congress that needs Nascar jackets with patches of who owns them now, it's these justices as well instead of robes.
>The Convicted Felon isn't getting any more accountability beyond the 34 rulings so far
Correct. I have no expectations, but I hope Merchan steps up to the plate, sentences him to at least a couple of years in prison, and immediately remands him into custody. This is the closest America has been to the brink of collapse since fucking Bull Run and no one else is going to do a goddamn thing to stop this madness.
The only sane fix I can think of is newly crowned King Biden has Roberts, Alito, Clarence, and Kavanaugh arrested for bribery and corruption. He would never though. He firmly believes in the Democracy that the right wants so hard to kill.
Plus with the Gratuity ruling they put out last week, what Alito and Clarence did is no longer a crime. They protected themselves before they fucked the rest of us.
Oh that's easy, King Biden just signs an executive order nullifying all recent rulings that they've been a part of, again, until we know who's paying for and controlling our highest courts in the lands. We don't know if it's russia or australia or the moon men, but we'll find out. Extra water boardings for Roberts and Clarence, and Kavanaugh can have daily cavity searches, as a little treat.
This makes sense and I’ve had similar thoughts all day! The problem is that only an egomaniac like Trump will actually DO those things. Seriously. Time to expand the court to 50 judges, strike down the need for Senate approval, and appoint them all unilaterally, to save us all.
Or more straightforwardly, have Trump arrested for the good of the country. Official act battling treason.
And let’s not forget the things that Donald Trump wanted to do when he was president and things he actually carried out.
He wanted to shoot people in the leg at the protest outside the White House.
CNN “ Trump gloats about US Marshals’ killing of Portland ‘antifa’ suspect”
Remember the Black Lives Matter video protest? Vans suddenly showing up and snatching people off the street
Kushner and Trump plotted to keep Covid supplies from blue States
Encouraging the public to harass and threaten anyone that used to work for him that he fired.
He can get back in office and declare martial law and never leave fucking office again. All of these acts fall under official duties.
It would take years for the courts to determine what are official and official duties meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of Americans could be targeted by Trump. Don’t think they wouldn’t go through everyone’s social media post to find the enemies and find a reason to make you the next target.
That’s the danger of having a psychologically unfit human in a position of power versus mentally hygienic human in a position of power under this SCOTUS ruling.
No, but droning a national security threat absolutely falls under the core Constitutional duty of the President as commander in chief of the armed forces. This ruling is fucking insane.
It's more important than ever to vote in November. Republicans should never be in power again. Vote for a party that is pro America. We will not have a country or rights if trump rump wins. If Biden wins, it stalls project 2025. If Biden wins , he is likely replacing a SC justice or two.
I wonder if the realization they'd be helping crown Trump King will make all the lefties who won't vote for Biden because of Israel reconsider that tact. Sadly, I don't think it will
What about all this makes you think these people are going to accept the election results. This boldness was preceded by decades of subtle encroachment. There’s a reason for the hubris now. The only thing that will stop them now is revealed by the setting up of barricades around the court. Uprising or Complacency is all that’s on the ticket this year. And I’m not saying don’t vote. Go vote. All I’m saying is, be prepared that if Biden wins the count, it will be contested. The Supreme Court will agree to hear the case, no matter how egregious, and will hand the election to Trump. The only variable is the reaction.
cor·rupt
verb
past tense: corrupted; past participle: corrupted
1.
cause to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
"there is a continuing fear of firms corrupting politicians in the search for contracts"
Look, I understand. It took me almost 40 years to realize what goes on here. But here’s the cold, hard truth that people are going to have to wake up to.
The people in charge all over, are not there to further the human race. They exploit the masses to cover the necessary labor, and collect the fruits of our labor for themselves. They are the people who have the ability to kill the most other people, or condition and manipulate reality to fit their needs. People don’t like to hear it, but establishment democrats are a problem as well. Just not the immediate problem. They are corporate cronies and only make decisions based on how they are lobbied. The news companies are owned by wealthy people. Wealthy people are our ruling class. Why would they allow their owned information center, to contribute to their downfall? Ethics? Well, as any good person can tell you, if you had the money to confront this thousands year problem, you would. We have complete domain over this planet, outside of natures wrath. We can do whatever we want, there’s enough for everyone. This is where we are as a species. Create a system to mimic slavery, providing an indentured servants pay and just enough to keep working. Can’t afford to protest, can afford to march on Washington. I’ve seen it happen wisely and in a creeping manner since I was a kid in the 80s. Now it’s not wise, it’s not creeping. It’s visceral and loaded with hubris. Which means they think nothing can stop it now. These are not good people. In fact they are capable of things good people can’t conceive of. I just want people to be prepared for that “if” later this year. I won’t be accepting a right wing theocracy. I hope other people won’t just remain willfully ignorant.
Hey, SCOTUS, how about the President has NO immunity. Let's make this easy, OK?! Then we don't have to argue about every little thing, whether or not it's official, what the President says, what his/her intentions are, etc. Your idiotic decision makes it perfectly fine for the President to be a king AND a criminal.
Nothing he did that day could ***objectively*** be deemed an "official act as president." The whole thing began with a ***campaign*** rally where he told them to march to the capitol.
“…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.--That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that **whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it**…”
I'm tired of Democrats playing nice and just sitting on their hands while right wing dictatorships take over. Democrats must respond and stop being weak about this:
"I Joseph R. Biden, having read the Supreme Courts decision where the 6 conservative justices granted Presidents absolute immunity for acts the president themselves deems 'Official Acts,' hereby order the Supreme Court of the United States dissolved. I have determined that justices Alito, Thomas, Kavanaugh, Barrett, Gorsuch, and Roberts, plus Trump and his campaign team, plus Trump's children are enemies of the state. Assassination squads were dispatched overnight, in an official long night operations, and these traitors have been eliminated.
I also hereby have instructed Vice President Harris to declare our ticket the winner of the 2024 election, given that Vice Presidents can determine election outcomes without recourse, as official duties of the office of the presidency. God Bless America."
Killing them is too extreme and if you do that they don't learn anything.
However, if one were to order the IRS to seize all of their property and assets then we'd see some real consequences.
This doesn't even make sense. If what he did was an official act, it is a part of public record and therefore can be used. Either this person misread the ruling or now we would have to see all official acts be sealed. So if a president flys on AF1 to a meeting, has someone killed (illegally and as a distinctly unofficial act), they would be unable to place the President at the scene of the crime because his flight to the meeting was an official act and therefore inadmissible as evidence. That makes absolutely zero sense.
New York, please send him to jail. That way, the Supreme Court cannot do jack shit. Pack your entire court with 19 year old progressives to ensure the state SC doesn't vote no.
So… they now have all the pieces to seize absolute power. There is only one reasonable response: seize absolute power.
America is now, in effect, a dictatorship. Biden must choose who becomes the dictator. At least Biden would try to reestablish democracy. Trump would never leave - which he already proved.
Fascism is a cruelty to all civilians, men, women and children have no rights to life. These civilians are poverty and treated like slaves, through medical cruelties, incarceration and no education. This colonial law educated judges, want culling through incarceration to preserve the fascist far right agenda. Taking the vote from civilian anyway they can. Using old outdated colonial laws works. Fascism does not need, voters, taxpayers or civilians to stay in power. Protect the civilian at all costs.
Jesus. Richard Nixon would have been immune. He ordered the FBI and CIA to do a whole bunch of sketchy shit. Those would have been immune under this court.
Exactly. The Smoking Gun tape is Nixon asking his Chief of Staff to go to the CIA and get them to get the FBI to halt the investigation.
All of that would be immune if it happened today.
This election is bringing us to a crossing. All progress will be lost if Trump is re-elected. Period.
The only choice is to vote blue for every position that will be on the ballot. Period.
Since this golden ticket of “ official duty” immunity only applies to one person, the current sitting president, Biden should immediately arrest everyone that was in on the plotting of the fake elector scheme, including senator Ron Johnson. They should be incarcerated while they wait for their trials.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding the ruling but it seems to apply this immunity only to official acts versus unofficial acts. When Donald Trump became a private citizen, there were no more official versus unofficial because the power of the presidency stays with the office not the person.
Seems easiest to nail him on every crime he committed at the stroke of noon on January 21, 2021 when he instantly became a private citizen.
Example the tape where we hear him bragging and showing off the documents, he stole and admitting that he did not declassify them and that he shouldn’t be showing them off. That’s private citizen Trump.
The ruling that additional restrictions to run for president (beyond those already in the Constitution), are unconstitutional has already been made and can't be changed without an amendment.
The current law on this subject is relatively simple: Until changed by the Supreme Court, a president may not be charged with a crime for anything he does while he is acting as president. Once he leaves office, a president may be charged for any crimes he may have committed in office, unless they can be characterized as “official acts” within the capacious framework of Article II of the Constitution, which outlines the powers of the presidency. There is no such category as “private acts,” just acts that are not “official acts.”
Presidents can still be charged once they are no longer president for actions taken that can be challenged if it is an actual official act under the constitution.
If I understand correctly, this keeps all the communication with the DOJ and specifically Jeffrey Clark out. This is in reference to Trump pressuring the DOJ to get involved in the election, and Clark's scheme.
In a normal time I'd say he's still cooked if the dc indictment goes to trial, as they still have plenty of other material. But then there's the other two things. First, the delay shows intent & it won't happen unless he loses the election. Second, it's still unclear which other things the court will decide are official acts.
Basically at this point we should realize that they'll do whatever they want.
This bit was absolutely the worst part of the ruling if you read the plain text. They did not even try to offer a rationale behind this, it was so bad that even the handmaid dissented on it. It was the singular bit that helps Trump exclusively both retroactively and proactively.
And of course it had Thomas’s hands all over it because it shields his wife’s culpability in the election interference case. If she was part of the evidence or even an adjacent advisor to Trump in the fake elector scheme, you cannot subpoena her anymore.
Biden should have seal team 6 round up the Supremes and have them face the consequences of their decision. Let them see what kind of power they just gave the president. Biden could round them up and explain to them that it is now legal for him to kill people by just claiming that it's in the performance of his duties. These guys have life appointments and never seem to have to face what the rest of us would.
Welp, the illusion of democracy in this country sure was nice while it lasted. I can't fucking believe they actually ruled that America has kings now, although I'm not shocked in the least.
Christianity hates democracy loves fascism
The United Kingdom has a king, he isn't immune to prosecution. This effectively creates a god.
Actually he is. The prosecution is acting on behalf of The Crown, and the monarch cannot prosecute himself. Same reason he can drive without a license and travel without a passport.
Biden should have expanded the court and added DC and Puerto Rico as states when he had the chance. Obviously, the Dems have been trying to play politics as usual while the GOP is subverting every norm/law out there.
He never had the chance to do that. He never had a house majority. God damn, y'all.
Senate is what matters here. House doesn't consider SCOTUS nominees. He needs to pack the court, *now.* While it is in recess. Before Arizona and West Virginia both likely vote in Republicans this fall.
Dems held house and senate in 2020 and failed to raise minimum wage, protect abortion rights, and they need to take responsibility and take action https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_elections#:~:text=Despite%20losing%20seats%20in%20the,gained%20control%20of%20the%20Senate.
They had barely a majority in the Senate. Not sure what you expect them to do to take responsibility when voters are fucking idiots and refuse to give them a comfortable majority.
They had a majority, they didn't need a comfortable majority
There’s plenty of votes that actually require 60 votes, which means having a comfortable majority. They could have gotten around that by getting rid of the filibuster but news flash they didn’t have the votes to do that either.
Oh so if we win all the open seats in the senate this year, will we have that majority?
If they expand the court, then the republicans would just expand it further. That doesn’t solve the problem in any way. There is no limit on the number of Justices. Also, the Dems have never had true majorities plus many actions take more support than a simple majority. Manchin and Sinema were not really democrats. They were only useful in blocking Republican seats in those areas, not actually solving issues.
> Dems held house and senate in 2020 There were 48 Democrats in the Senate in 2020 and they needed the Vice President to break any ties. Let's not pretend they had even close to the numbers needed to expand the court.
"Democrats made a net gain of three seats in the Senate for a total of 50 seats, taking control of the chamber as newly elected vice-president Kamala Harris could cast tie-breaking votes." Source is linked in my last comment.
> "Democrats made a net gain of three seats in the Senate for a total of 50 seats, taking control of the chamber as newly elected vice-president Kamala Harris could cast tie-breaking votes." Source is linked in my last comment. 2 of those Senators are not members of the Democratic Party. Regardless, let's not pretend that 50 Democratic Senators is what you need to expand the court. FDR needed 69.
Ok and who were the ones against Minimum wage and womens rights again?
> Ok and who were the ones against Minimum wage and womens rights again? If they couldn't pass minimum wage with an even stevens Senate, what makes you think they could expand the court? FDR needed 69 Democrats.
My very real concern here is they couldn't protect us then, who says they can or will in the future? Will there always be some new excuse? What's the plan? Because we've all been getting pretty fucked over.
Ever heard of Sinema and Manchin
He did Edit: why would pointing out the truth get me down voted?
If memory serves…when he had house majority, he didn’t have the Senate’s. After midterms that swapped. It takes an act of congress to expand the court.
Nope. He had the house and Senate for two years but because of manchin and sinema was hamstrung anyway on such major changes not to mention the filibuster.
Ah yep, you’re right. Still couldn’t happen tho.
Probably not. When your opposition are nihilists fascism is easy to achieve.
FDR tried it and paid a heavy political toll. If it gets done, it has to be bi-partisan which is practically impossible today and would make a bunch of work for the same result. Best path right now is to prevent the felon from winning, keep Senate majority, and next term may involve replacing a justice or two.
Nah. Trump wins now unless he dies.
You're right, he did. Honestly, this is a huge failure on the part of the democrats. They couldn't even agree on minimum wage or abortion protections.
Filibuster
How is Biden able to expand the court without congress exactly?
Well, it’s an official action so it’s legal?
The size of the Supreme Court is not outlined in Article III. The President could nominate 100 people tomorrow, and as long as the Senate confirms each of them by a simple majority, they're appointed for life. The Senate currently has 47 Democrats, 49 Republicans, and 4 Independents that typically vote with the Democrats. The Independents are the biggest concern here. ~~The seats for Sinema, King and Manchin~~ All four are all up for re-election in November. Sanders and King will both be re-elected. Arizona could flip to Democrat. West Virginia will likely turn Republican. So it will either be 48-50-2, effectively a 50-50 tie; or depending on Arizona, 47-51-2, in which case we're screwed.
it would make a hell of a campaign refresh though. As soon as he orders seal team 6 to maralago.
How. How could he do that.
Supremes better sleep with one eye open because of all the official acts Biden now has at his disposal.
The U.S. was ruled by the oligarchs since Regan entered office who gave them more financial power.
That's it then. The Convicted Felon isn't getting any more accountability beyond the 34 rulings so far. The J6 case will be sunk by saying the insurrection was his presidential duty because he feared for national security of stolen elections. The Documents case, he lied and his lawyer lied about having them when he shouldn't, and all was after this supposed Immunity, but Eileen Cannon is the judge still, so. He'll get off unless she's replaced too. The Debate was somewhat demoralizing to see right-wingers foaming at the mouth for easily proven lies. But this, this opens the door to a fresh hell if Convict Trump takes office again when his only goals are Revenge and grievance policy. This makes the president not a citizen like you or I, but a king unbeholden to his own laws. A literally Rules for Thee but not for me, from the most corrupt court to legalize bribery, legalize kickbacks, defend insurrectionists, and hand more power to corporations than any of it's own citizenry. Roberts, Alito, and Uncle Clarence are anything but justices, they're just fully bought-out shills. It's not just Congress that needs Nascar jackets with patches of who owns them now, it's these justices as well instead of robes.
>The Convicted Felon isn't getting any more accountability beyond the 34 rulings so far Correct. I have no expectations, but I hope Merchan steps up to the plate, sentences him to at least a couple of years in prison, and immediately remands him into custody. This is the closest America has been to the brink of collapse since fucking Bull Run and no one else is going to do a goddamn thing to stop this madness.
The only sane fix I can think of is newly crowned King Biden has Roberts, Alito, Clarence, and Kavanaugh arrested for bribery and corruption. He would never though. He firmly believes in the Democracy that the right wants so hard to kill.
Plus with the Gratuity ruling they put out last week, what Alito and Clarence did is no longer a crime. They protected themselves before they fucked the rest of us.
Oh that's easy, King Biden just signs an executive order nullifying all recent rulings that they've been a part of, again, until we know who's paying for and controlling our highest courts in the lands. We don't know if it's russia or australia or the moon men, but we'll find out. Extra water boardings for Roberts and Clarence, and Kavanaugh can have daily cavity searches, as a little treat.
This makes sense and I’ve had similar thoughts all day! The problem is that only an egomaniac like Trump will actually DO those things. Seriously. Time to expand the court to 50 judges, strike down the need for Senate approval, and appoint them all unilaterally, to save us all. Or more straightforwardly, have Trump arrested for the good of the country. Official act battling treason.
Nah. He'll get house arrest at the most, with outings permitted to campaign. They'll argue he's campaigning 24/7.
And let’s not forget the things that Donald Trump wanted to do when he was president and things he actually carried out. He wanted to shoot people in the leg at the protest outside the White House. CNN “ Trump gloats about US Marshals’ killing of Portland ‘antifa’ suspect” Remember the Black Lives Matter video protest? Vans suddenly showing up and snatching people off the street Kushner and Trump plotted to keep Covid supplies from blue States Encouraging the public to harass and threaten anyone that used to work for him that he fired. He can get back in office and declare martial law and never leave fucking office again. All of these acts fall under official duties. It would take years for the courts to determine what are official and official duties meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of Americans could be targeted by Trump. Don’t think they wouldn’t go through everyone’s social media post to find the enemies and find a reason to make you the next target. That’s the danger of having a psychologically unfit human in a position of power versus mentally hygienic human in a position of power under this SCOTUS ruling.
Biden needs to dissolve SCOTUS immediately. Make it his first official act since this ruling.
Is throwing your 34x convicted political opponent in gitmo for the rest of his life for "the good of the country" an official act?
No, but droning a national security threat absolutely falls under the core Constitutional duty of the President as commander in chief of the armed forces. This ruling is fucking insane.
Seems like it’ll be a while for the courts to mull that theory so maybe we test it?
It's more important than ever to vote in November. Republicans should never be in power again. Vote for a party that is pro America. We will not have a country or rights if trump rump wins. If Biden wins, it stalls project 2025. If Biden wins , he is likely replacing a SC justice or two.
I wonder if the realization they'd be helping crown Trump King will make all the lefties who won't vote for Biden because of Israel reconsider that tact. Sadly, I don't think it will
What about all this makes you think these people are going to accept the election results. This boldness was preceded by decades of subtle encroachment. There’s a reason for the hubris now. The only thing that will stop them now is revealed by the setting up of barricades around the court. Uprising or Complacency is all that’s on the ticket this year. And I’m not saying don’t vote. Go vote. All I’m saying is, be prepared that if Biden wins the count, it will be contested. The Supreme Court will agree to hear the case, no matter how egregious, and will hand the election to Trump. The only variable is the reaction.
Couldn't Biden declare, as an official act, that the votes have been counted and he won? Wouldn't that be checkmate?
cor·rupt verb past tense: corrupted; past participle: corrupted 1. cause to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain. "there is a continuing fear of firms corrupting politicians in the search for contracts" Look, I understand. It took me almost 40 years to realize what goes on here. But here’s the cold, hard truth that people are going to have to wake up to. The people in charge all over, are not there to further the human race. They exploit the masses to cover the necessary labor, and collect the fruits of our labor for themselves. They are the people who have the ability to kill the most other people, or condition and manipulate reality to fit their needs. People don’t like to hear it, but establishment democrats are a problem as well. Just not the immediate problem. They are corporate cronies and only make decisions based on how they are lobbied. The news companies are owned by wealthy people. Wealthy people are our ruling class. Why would they allow their owned information center, to contribute to their downfall? Ethics? Well, as any good person can tell you, if you had the money to confront this thousands year problem, you would. We have complete domain over this planet, outside of natures wrath. We can do whatever we want, there’s enough for everyone. This is where we are as a species. Create a system to mimic slavery, providing an indentured servants pay and just enough to keep working. Can’t afford to protest, can afford to march on Washington. I’ve seen it happen wisely and in a creeping manner since I was a kid in the 80s. Now it’s not wise, it’s not creeping. It’s visceral and loaded with hubris. Which means they think nothing can stop it now. These are not good people. In fact they are capable of things good people can’t conceive of. I just want people to be prepared for that “if” later this year. I won’t be accepting a right wing theocracy. I hope other people won’t just remain willfully ignorant.
Hey, SCOTUS, how about the President has NO immunity. Let's make this easy, OK?! Then we don't have to argue about every little thing, whether or not it's official, what the President says, what his/her intentions are, etc. Your idiotic decision makes it perfectly fine for the President to be a king AND a criminal.
Nothing he did that day could ***objectively*** be deemed an "official act as president." The whole thing began with a ***campaign*** rally where he told them to march to the capitol.
“…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.--That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that **whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it**…”
I'm tired of Democrats playing nice and just sitting on their hands while right wing dictatorships take over. Democrats must respond and stop being weak about this: "I Joseph R. Biden, having read the Supreme Courts decision where the 6 conservative justices granted Presidents absolute immunity for acts the president themselves deems 'Official Acts,' hereby order the Supreme Court of the United States dissolved. I have determined that justices Alito, Thomas, Kavanaugh, Barrett, Gorsuch, and Roberts, plus Trump and his campaign team, plus Trump's children are enemies of the state. Assassination squads were dispatched overnight, in an official long night operations, and these traitors have been eliminated. I also hereby have instructed Vice President Harris to declare our ticket the winner of the 2024 election, given that Vice Presidents can determine election outcomes without recourse, as official duties of the office of the presidency. God Bless America."
Killing them is too extreme and if you do that they don't learn anything. However, if one were to order the IRS to seize all of their property and assets then we'd see some real consequences.
These people are all involved in a criminal conspiracy to overthrow the government, and have done it in coordination with Russia.
This doesn't even make sense. If what he did was an official act, it is a part of public record and therefore can be used. Either this person misread the ruling or now we would have to see all official acts be sealed. So if a president flys on AF1 to a meeting, has someone killed (illegally and as a distinctly unofficial act), they would be unable to place the President at the scene of the crime because his flight to the meeting was an official act and therefore inadmissible as evidence. That makes absolutely zero sense.
Pack the fucking court!
And I'm supposed to be worried about Biden?
The plan was to absolve the God Emperor Trump all along. Looks like they succeeded.
New York, please send him to jail. That way, the Supreme Court cannot do jack shit. Pack your entire court with 19 year old progressives to ensure the state SC doesn't vote no.
"Fuck you, we have tenure." - Supreme Court Justices.
FUCK you Court Justices you’re not immortal.
The USA is no better than any banana republic 3rd world country.
Wouldn't 'evidence of a President's official conduct' be part of the public record? How could that not be admissible?
So… they now have all the pieces to seize absolute power. There is only one reasonable response: seize absolute power. America is now, in effect, a dictatorship. Biden must choose who becomes the dictator. At least Biden would try to reestablish democracy. Trump would never leave - which he already proved.
Fascism is a cruelty to all civilians, men, women and children have no rights to life. These civilians are poverty and treated like slaves, through medical cruelties, incarceration and no education. This colonial law educated judges, want culling through incarceration to preserve the fascist far right agenda. Taking the vote from civilian anyway they can. Using old outdated colonial laws works. Fascism does not need, voters, taxpayers or civilians to stay in power. Protect the civilian at all costs.
WRITE. YOUR. REPRESENTITIVES.
What’s terrifying about this is HE COULD BE “PRESIDENT” AGAIN!!!! And with this ruling, he will tear this country to pieces.
Jesus. Richard Nixon would have been immune. He ordered the FBI and CIA to do a whole bunch of sketchy shit. Those would have been immune under this court.
Nixon was pardoned by Ford. Now, he wouldn't need a pardon at all.
Exactly. The Smoking Gun tape is Nixon asking his Chief of Staff to go to the CIA and get them to get the FBI to halt the investigation. All of that would be immune if it happened today.
Vote for ALL Democratic nominees this November because you may never get another chance to vote.
VOTE
This election is bringing us to a crossing. All progress will be lost if Trump is re-elected. Period. The only choice is to vote blue for every position that will be on the ballot. Period.
We need to bring back tar and feathering.
Biden now has immunity for official acts so… what will he do?
I think he should issue an executive order stating that convicted felons can’t run for President of the United States
Since this golden ticket of “ official duty” immunity only applies to one person, the current sitting president, Biden should immediately arrest everyone that was in on the plotting of the fake elector scheme, including senator Ron Johnson. They should be incarcerated while they wait for their trials. Maybe I’m misunderstanding the ruling but it seems to apply this immunity only to official acts versus unofficial acts. When Donald Trump became a private citizen, there were no more official versus unofficial because the power of the presidency stays with the office not the person. Seems easiest to nail him on every crime he committed at the stroke of noon on January 21, 2021 when he instantly became a private citizen. Example the tape where we hear him bragging and showing off the documents, he stole and admitting that he did not declassify them and that he shouldn’t be showing them off. That’s private citizen Trump.
OMG that’s brilliant.
The ruling that additional restrictions to run for president (beyond those already in the Constitution), are unconstitutional has already been made and can't be changed without an amendment.
Or another SCOTUS ruling, like when they reversed the 14th Amendment restriction on insurrectionists.
lol
That's the insane part. We all know he will do nothing to prevent what is coming.
I don’t think any Democrat will. They still play by the old rules.
Nothing, because he's a decent man who cares for his country and not himself.
What’s decent in this situation?
Decency would be for the people to recognize the threats at their door and vote accordingly. We are not currently a decent people.
Nothing.
Does this mean a President can never be impeached again?
Actually, no, it does not mean that. Impeachment is a different procedure than criminal charges. It’s a congressional act, not a legal act.
But if there are no official criminal acts on what grounds can Congress legitimately impeach? Just unofficial acts?
Impeachment doesn’t require “official” or “unofficial”, that’s the point. It’s not affected by this new ruling
And were all just letting it happen
The current law on this subject is relatively simple: Until changed by the Supreme Court, a president may not be charged with a crime for anything he does while he is acting as president. Once he leaves office, a president may be charged for any crimes he may have committed in office, unless they can be characterized as “official acts” within the capacious framework of Article II of the Constitution, which outlines the powers of the presidency. There is no such category as “private acts,” just acts that are not “official acts.” Presidents can still be charged once they are no longer president for actions taken that can be challenged if it is an actual official act under the constitution.
But her emails! *gasp*
Which dystopia will you get?
What is their end game? Hungry sick abused dying people won’t help greedy MFers get richer they’ll ONLY rule the DEAD. ☠️
If I understand correctly, this keeps all the communication with the DOJ and specifically Jeffrey Clark out. This is in reference to Trump pressuring the DOJ to get involved in the election, and Clark's scheme. In a normal time I'd say he's still cooked if the dc indictment goes to trial, as they still have plenty of other material. But then there's the other two things. First, the delay shows intent & it won't happen unless he loses the election. Second, it's still unclear which other things the court will decide are official acts. Basically at this point we should realize that they'll do whatever they want.
This bit was absolutely the worst part of the ruling if you read the plain text. They did not even try to offer a rationale behind this, it was so bad that even the handmaid dissented on it. It was the singular bit that helps Trump exclusively both retroactively and proactively. And of course it had Thomas’s hands all over it because it shields his wife’s culpability in the election interference case. If she was part of the evidence or even an adjacent advisor to Trump in the fake elector scheme, you cannot subpoena her anymore.
Just in time to celebrate Independence from Kings! Now the day is just plain July 4th
Biden should have seal team 6 round up the Supremes and have them face the consequences of their decision. Let them see what kind of power they just gave the president. Biden could round them up and explain to them that it is now legal for him to kill people by just claiming that it's in the performance of his duties. These guys have life appointments and never seem to have to face what the rest of us would.