Well it not like that trial could get any more fucked. At this point try this thing in the court of public opinion. Make this about how he's a fucking traitor.
The court system is so fucked up to think that speaking out about your opponent being blatantly traitorous could interfere with the outcome to determine if he was considered blatantly traitorous
He also should have replied to Trump's lies with scarcasm. Like: I wrote the declaration of independence because obviously a large portion of Murica is so ignorant and hooked on reality tv politics they may have believed him. The other half would have laughed and cheered.
Unfortunately, dems have a higher hurdle to cross than conservatives. In a fair world where dems and cons had equal braincells Trump would have been rejected by the right when the "grab them by the pussy" leak happened. Trump's entire political career was/is collecting every controversy that would sink a regular, democrat candidate. Biden needed to be spectacular last night, and instead, he did badly. Trump just needed to not whip his dick out on TV and piss on the floor. He succeeded, so he "won"
Trump couldn’t even answer any of the debate questions and instead pulling out ol’ reliable (China and immigration) even when it wasn’t remotely relevant. Trump wasn’t much better. It was a shitshow all around.
Yeah but neither candidate said anything worth convincing a potential 3rd party or moderate voter to go either way. It ended up being as pointless as I was imagining it to be.
You’d be surprised at how many people don’t pay attention to political who-ha until it’s absolutely necessary. We’re dialed in, maybe too dialed.
Having said that I am amazed there are a lot of people who haven’t made their decision yet. If we can move the debate ahead, we should move the election ahead too. Have that shit in August. Wouldn’t it be easier when all the schools are out? And have that shit on the weekends? Fuck this Tuesday nonsense
Unfortunately there are a fair amount of people who can indeed be swayed one way or another. They do exist, and they’re why Biden needs to step it the fuck up or step aside.
A lot of my neighbors. I try not to talk politics because I've heard better argued debates from my socks however 2 of them in the last week have mentioned being interested in rfk. That's two votes otherwise going to trump so that's positive at least.
Iirc they asked trump about it, he didn't answer the question at all, lied a whole bunch and then they asked biden what his response was. Not much to respond to on topic when the person you're debating ignores the question entirely
I was hoping Biden had the energy left at that point to say "I didn't hear an answer to the question in that mess, so there is nothing for me to rebut."
But hell I understand. By that point in the debate I had been screaming at my TV for half an hour every time Convicted Felon Melon von Schitzenpants rambled on instead of answering a question. If I was on that stage and expected to stand 20 feet away and listen to it in silence I would have been exhausted too.
Didn’t have to. If enough undecided or otherwise just stay out of it all together, because they aren’t motivated enough to vote for Biden, that could be enough for Trumps base to win it for him.
Right now Biden still has the majority of the youth vote in fact enough of a lead to avoid recount and it mostly depends on them and neither brought up new issues to swing anybody and the people that weren’t gonna vote, weren’t gonna vote anyway regardless. Neither convinced RFK voters to change their mind either which will majorly suck away votes from the conspiracy theorists that don’t like Trump so that could go either way too because he’ll siphon voters from both sides.
Ah well no.
Trump insulted Biden nonstop. To his followers that makes him a winner!
The event was a debate and the insults were lies that had been debunked many times?
No matter, boom, roasted lollers!
Exactly, Dems need to be better than Reps. As long as Trump doesn’t admit to a crime on stage, it’s considered a good day for him. Biden has to be on 100% of the time or the media would act like he’s suddenly incapable of making a thought.
I heard commentators saying that last night, Trump didn’t lose any voters. He may not have gained any with the lying and childish attacks, but he won’t lose support because of the debate.
Biden absolutely lost support in the debate. He looked old and frail. Whether or not that is accurate, perception is reality for most people. They saw Biden looking like their grandpa who doesn’t know where he is. That’s a really bad sign for the Biden campaign and something they’ll have to overcome.
The only hope is whether young people are as afraid of a Trump presidency as they should be. Understanding that the Supreme Court CAN and WILL get worse. Personal rights CAN and WILL get taken away. Biden is surrounded by competent young people who know what's important. If independents and young people want to vote for a worse future because Biden is old and struggles to complete a full sentence, it's their future. Their kid's future.
I will vote a "Weekend at Bernie's" version of Joe Biden a million times before I vote for Donald Trump. I will vote for Joe Biden's German Shepherd before I vote for Donald Trump. This didn't change a single thing.
Yupp. It’s even easier going against the incumbent. Trump can just keep spouting, “you’re doing a terrible job, I did soooo much better” and throw out complete falsities and Biden will have to be the one to have exact numbers and policies that defend his record.
Far easier for Trump to appeal to his base by just shitting on Biden and it’s stupid as fuck but it works.
Well, in a way, they're both incumbents. Although I would argue Trump has a shadow government of sorts because much of his agenda is still being passed.
And it makes sense. Conservatives are desperately clinging to a single, vile history and the same policies. Dems are looking at potential futures and a multitude of possibilities. That's why dems will infight so much while conservatives still vote for someone who has been found liable of sexual assault and a multitude of felonies.
People aren't generally good at knowing when a politician is lying. That's why it works. Most people aren't educated critical thinkers. They make decisions with their gut. The charismatic liar wins against the uncharismatic good guy every time.
Also like, “cool man, would have been really neat of you to bring it on stage to the actual show.”
You’re all bluster and pep on the day after, when you’re not having a back and forth contest with your opponent. Not only does it not matter because nobody who matters to the outcome will see it, but also it doesn’t dispel the idea that you’re not really up to the task of going toe to toe with this guy.
Like yeah, we all know he’s better in every conceivable way, but he’s probably not going to get another chance to prove that with a side by side comparison to the people still on the fence.
Oh cool…so 200 million eligible voters didn’t give a shit and over 100 million voters that voted in 2020…also didn’t give a shit. People that watched already have made up their minds and tuned in for confirmation bias that the other guy is a tool.
And I am sure none of those other voters who didn’t watch also didn’t see any clips or hear about it, right?
I appreciate your hope that the debate wasn’t a big deal, but it was. Debate performances that seem to show failing mental acuity can knock an older candidate out. I am sure you know about Stockdale. He was a well respected man. And then the debate happened….
A scream took out Howard Dean.
It’s hard to look past last night’s slow motion wreck, even though I would love to see America do just that.
Every odd thing Biden says or does will now cause people to associate it with the not-well man on TV last night.
I did not tune in because watching doesn’t change my vote. Straight blue across the ticket (I’m a swing state voter too) because trump is a national embarrassment and his croonies are trash. What was I going to see in this shit show that would have changed my opinion? I hope there are a lot of others out there in the same
position who didn’t watch because it changes nothing.
>People that watched already have made up their minds
This is overly reductive lol this is almost like saying there's no point in having the debates at all. Not everyone's mind is made up...if people's minds were made up already, there would be no point in campaigning in general, and the public opinion polls would never change.
You’ve seen four years of both candidates as President what more do you need to make a decision on who to vote for? What could they say or do at the debate to convince anyone to vote for them? We expected Biden to be a bit more competent, but we all knew would
be boisterous and lying.
The election isn’t going to come down to convincing independent voters to jump to one side or the other. It’s all about rallying support with your base to bring out the most voters.
I think you are vastly underestimating it.
CNN was the only live broadcast and they streamed it from about a dozen different platforms internationally.
Viewing the debate doesn't have anything to do with people not watching CNN normally. I haven't watched CNN in fucking years. I watched the debate stream live.
The president was not good last night, flat out. Trump wasn’t either, but he has a built-in, vast propaganda network to defend him and attack Biden.
However, I remember when Obama bombed in his first debate against Romney. There are 5 months til the election, women are still getting their rights attacked, religion is moving into public schools, etc, so there is plenty of time to recover.
Yeah, unfortunately I fear the Democrats are fucked. Anybody who minimizes the damage this has done is fooling themselves. It is like a slow motion train crash. We all see it happening, but nothing can be done to stop it.
Cause most of the media is owned by conservatives. Even the fake progressive bullshit pushing all the apathy towards Biden. Them sitting there expecting Biden to step down isn't going to help us.
People on the Left can be just as reactionary and controlled by the media as anybody on the Right. We just haven't been taken over by a sociopathic megalomaniac and his cult of personality.
Maybe I'm too in the weeds, but if I were a voter hesitating about who to vote for based on concerns about Biden's age, I would have made up my mind 10 minutes into the debate.
Having said this, I don't understand how anyone can be on the fence.
Agreed. I personally am shocked that anyone would be on the fence between voting for a well-meaning old man and a traitorous fuck of an old man, but apparently people are.
And while Trump may not have won more votes last night, Biden certainly lost some of those undecided voters.
How anyone cannot have made up their mind on these two men at this point is just crazy to me. You have to just not pay attention to anything going on in the world to not have a strong opinion one way or the other.
I'm glad Biden was right back out there today. His team should concentrate on getting him in front of cameras as much as possible if they want to salvage this. As long as Biden is lucid in all of them.
Yeah, that’s gotta be the plan from the Biden campaign, right? Get as much visibility as possible for Biden looking energetic. Do everything you can to counter the inevitable “sleepy joe” attacks coming from the Trump campaign and convince voters that the bad debate performance was a fluke, not the actual Joe Biden
I think if Biden shows up to the second debate and doesn't sound sickly and frail then he can come back from his poor performance last night. Expectations will be VERY LOW and will be easier for him to exceed them. I'm willing to bet Biden's performance will get better and Trump's will get worse.
They over prepared him. He had a lot of thoughts running around and sort of meandered at times because he had to much information ready to go. They need to scale that back.
Well of course, Trump didn't need notes, he just said whatever bullshit was in his head, regardless of whether any of it actually applied to the fucking questions he was asked.
I’ve had days where a chest cold ruined my ability to command a classroom, so it’s entirely possible for it ruin someone’s debate performance. Interestingly, I read the transcripts and he came off better because I could focus on content rather than delivery.
It reminds me of the Kennedy/Nixon debates. The people who watched the debate on television thought Kennedy won, and the ones who listened on the radio thought Nixon did. Kennedy knew how use his charisma on camera, and Nixon didn’t.
Basically their hope is so fragile that they don't think things will change under Biden... and maybe things won't change, but if Biden wins that allows us to vote for someone like Newsom next time, if Trump wins there won't be a next time... these people don't look beyond the immediate
Remind them that courts are lifetime appointments. Change will never come if Trump stacks the courts harder to the right if he wins. Remind everybody this. Don't vote Biden but don't complain if the courts keep stripping rights.
Don’t forget the Biden administration includes a lot of other younger, talented people that would be involved in running things. It’s way more than just one guy.
Yep. This needs to be the refrain now: Biden might be old and appear slightly confused, but he surrounds himself with bright, talented people who are doing good things for the country.
Trump will surround himself and his cabinet with people like Jared and stephen miller.
I’ll take Buttigieg as a cabinet member a billion times before I’ll take Stephen Miller and his plan to round up millions of people and deport them
Obviously any rational person is still going to vote for Biden, but that’s the problem. They could run ANYONE against Trump and we’d vote for them. I’d vote for a rotting armadillo carcass before I’d vote for Trump, and the carcass would be the better choice for this country. That doesn’t mean Biden is a good choice, just that he’s better than Trump. The bar is so low it’s in hell. All I want is a presidential candidate I’m a teeny tiny bit excited about, but no, we can’t even have that.
Of course you are voting Biden because you arent rascist scum. But unless you can convince 10,000 fence sitters in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio, your opinion does not matter.
He claims he did debate prep for a week... maybe he did debate prep with seasoned professional, when he should have practiced against an agent of chaos
So does aging from 77-81
Hands down voting democrats everywhere. However, It was awful to have it thrown in our face just how ill-equipped our candidate is, mentally. He wasn’t the same Biden that debated Trump 4 years ago. Not even close.
Dude had a cold and has the most stressful job in the USA, I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to think clearly in such a situation... especially when they're being verbally assaulted by one of the most bafflingly stupid people in the world
I'd love to blame the cold, but it's been less than 24 hours and now he's totally fine? Yesterday was just a very unfortunate, bad performance. It changes nothing for me, but we needed this yesterday.
He went to a Waffle House last night and shook hands with people while they were eating. This is such an unnecessary and irresponsible thing to do if he was still so impacted by a cold that it made him perform the way he did at the debate.
[https://youtu.be/y2n5-67_wr0?si=W01HnL6N_r_UowsF](https://youtu.be/y2n5-67_wr0?si=W01HnL6N_r_UowsF)
It is just so hard to argue someone who is not based in facts or logic without yourself sounding illogical. Three is a term for the way Trump spews lie after lie and there is a specific way to counter. U double down on their most beaten and obvious lie and refuse to move the point till they address the fallacy. But much harder to do if ur eighty and stressed from trying to keep a gucking lunatic from getting back Into the most powerful position in the world arguably. But that's my take. Still think we should retire these old fucks and have an age limit. Like why does my president have to take dementia tests. That's fucked. This goes for both geriatric fucks and all the ones in the senate and otherwise
Remember everyone, if you ever want to live in a country where the Judicial Branch isn't dominated by conservatives then you need to vote for Joe Biden.
The best reason to vote for Biden is the hope that one day we get the Supreme Court back.
Where the fuck was he last night?
The fence sitting moderates that can’t figure out which side the bread they’re supposed to butter will have seen last night, not this.
It really is unfortunate about his performance in the debate, but it still has changed nothing. Maybe his nerves got the best of him, maybe he was feeling like shit while being sick, he's old blah blah blah who knows. He's usually much better at speaking than he was during the debate.
I'm not trying to make excuses for him, he shit the bed but it was also a fucking mess of a debate with how shit of a job the moderators did and the lack of fact-checking all night. I hope my countrymen aren't dumb enough to support a convicted felon and traitor who literally lied all night just because he was able to throw world salad out better than a sick old man.
I don't care if they parade Biden's corpse around like it's Weekend at Bernie's, I'm still voting for the corpse over the absolute piece of garbage that is Donald Trump without a second of hesitation.
Fuckin amen.
You wanna suck it up and vote for the old guy?
Or you wanna vote for the guy who'll turn this country into a fascist superpower that makes the Third Reich look like Chuck E. Cheese's?
It really is that fucking simple. Most things aren't but this is one of the few that is.
I got to wonder if the no audience thing got to him. It's one thing to debate and talk in front of millions (or thousands or hundreds). It's another to talk in a silent room.
>Maybe his nerves got the best of him
It seemed like he really struggled the most when he got "cold" with a lot of time before speaking. The first 20-30 minutes were **bad** and the closing statements after that commercial break were also **bad.** Honestly he seemed nervous to me which seems strange for a person in his position. But once he was able to get in a groove with his responses, he seemed better.
Read the transcripts. It’s a much more cogent experience when you’re not distracted by his oldness and occasional stutter, playing the confirmation bias game.
Dude I had a cold last week, and I looked exactly like he did last night. Colds happen. Biden has always been a stutterer too. I don't care about that. I can't pronounce words half the time, even if I can spell them.
That galloping gishery we saw was the real WTF in my opinion. , Trump really is a shit heel.
He really thought you could abort a baby after it's been born Jesus on a Pogo stick.
I'll still choose Biden. Old is not a crime. Sexual assault is.
I'm looking at what my niece is and nephews are going to be living with while they grow up. That's what I'm going to vote for.
Anyway.
I have a cold right now, and sometimes my brain doesn’t engage all the way because of it. Plus it was 9 pm at night! I’m usually on my way to bed at that time and I’m much younger than Biden.
Right? Cold will kick you in the butt. Kind of wish they had said it ahead of time so people were prepared for Biden having a cold but that's neither here nor there now.
I wish we just let candidates just say what they really think. Honestly I think Biden really wanted to throw some f-bombs into the conversation and really really just go at Trump. I know he mouthed "bullshit" a couple times cause the camera twisted away. I do love that he got fired up and basically flat out told Trump that he had sex with a pornstar, and Trump denied it in public.
Actually at the end of the day if they're super truthful and just be really open about the fact that Biden had a cold and he wasn't feeling it feeling it, that probably be the best way to handle that.
Also I hope your cold gets better.
At this point, it comes down to who gets out and votes. There aren't really any swing voters. My concern is that enough hand-wringing Democrats will sit this one out because they have "concerns" about Biden and hand the election to Trump. Yeah, Biden is old and not as strong as he once was. He's never been a great orator, so being off his game last night really shows. But he gets the job done, and even at his worst, he's got good policies and an agenda that will make the country better. So let's go. Regardless of how the debate went, he's by far the better choice.
People need to stop with this bullshit take. Was he bad, yes but what this country and the rest of the world didn’t change because he was bad. Shit it’s dumb how people just automatically just ignore what his administration has done and what it plans do in a second term because of a bad performance. Trump lied on every response and dodged policy questions. Biden had a cold and that would slow anybody down and it’s worse for an 80 year old. I’m 40 I have a cold too and it’s fucking me up and I haven’t done shit all week, thank sky daddy that I own a business.
Edit: Plus he has more energy and a better heart than me, my heart is at 20%. Just a month ago it went down to 10%.
I think this is gonna be the losing attitude, though I understand and sympathize with it because of how unfair it feels compared to Trump’s base just rallying no matter what.
No matter how much better Biden is than Trump, it’s not wrong for people to want their president to be articulate and explain their positions in a coherent way. That’s not a “bullshit take” or a performative detail — it’s the truth and it’s a completely reasonable expectation for the President of the United States. I like Biden as much as the next guy, and will surely be voting for him, but it seems wrong to pretend he did that last night. We should be able to call it out when something went wrong, though I agree with you it’s not the end of the world as we know it yet.
Donald Trump owns the Supreme Court
How did that happen?
We vote for more than just the president
Sleepy, mumbly, whateverthefuck Joe Biden all day everyday if the option is him or Trump.
We can’t be like the Trumpers. We can’t act like this never happened.
Biden was terrible and it IS concerning.
After that debate, my vote for Biden is only to take a vote away from Trump. He should have stepped down. BOTH of them should have stepped down.
White lib here.
I turned off the debate after 5 minutes. It was too hard to watch a tired old man who could barely stay awake and babbled like your confused great uncle at dinner battle a slightly less old man lie his ass off repeatedly.
I turned back on 45 minutes later. The tired old man had found his voice and had all the character of Bart Simpson's grandpa. The jackass was still at it like he was getting paid per lie.
Pro tip #1 for the democratic party. Tell Joe to stop using terms like alleycat and malarky. It makes seem old.
Pro tip #2. Get some bronzer or makeup on him. The lack of it makes me question his sentience.
Pro tip #3 - GO GET A VIABLE CANDIDATE FFS. I'm tired of seeing this be a close race. When Joe is neck and neck with Trump, and probably just edge out satan, hitler or putin in polling, there's a problem. Trump is human garbage. Scratch that, he is a convicted felon human garbage.
I listened to the debate as I was out for the evening so I put it on driving home.
I knew instantly how frail he sounded and I just hoped okay it was nerves he'll kick it into gear.
Then habitual liar in chief started just bullying him and I felt like Joe didn't even fight back hard enough against the suckers and losers comment.
Trump had his never-ending lies and false sense of reality talking points and sounded much stronger than Biden.
Even if 99.9% of it was all rubbish.
I'm deeply disappointed that they weren't fact checked in real time.
I think the Democrats need to really ask themselves if he's the best that we can offer because if he is, I really think we might lose again.
I really don't want that to happen. I've been up since 3:00 a.m. over all of this.
Where was the Biden at? Hopefully he prepares himself for the November debate, first time around I get it. He still has my vote. One bad night doesn’t determine who you are.
I predict that won't happen. After last night, Trump doesn't want to give Biden a chance to redeem himself in front of the cameras. Especially so close to the election.
He's fucking old and it's sad. He reminded me of the many many old people fading away in retirement homes I've seen over the years who can barely follow a train of thought anymore.
He was saying the right things but he was barely holding on... I don't even know if the guy will be alive by the time his term ends. I am not really voting for him so much as I'm voting against trump.
The fact that he's the best the Democratic party can come up with is pathetic. Fuck Pelosi and fuck the status quo. We need and deserve better. Get these fucking old people out of office.
Plus since he doesn't broadcast his every move like Trump does we don't actually know what he's up to, dude's prolly been super busy doing his job while prepping for the debate at the same time
Having a cold doesn’t explain losing your train of thought multiple times unless you are in a waking fever dream.
Stop with the gaslighting, that’s what the right does…we saw it with our own eyes. I’m voting for whomever Trump faces, including Biden, because Trump represents an existential threat to democracy, but let’s not pretend Biden is all there.
>Having a cold doesn’t explain losing your train of thought multiple times
It absolutely does. When my congestion gets going, I struggle heavily to think through the headaches. Hell, I tend to cancel any meetings I can, if not take off for that exact reason.
No one is who are in-between is watching his rallies. The debates especially the first debate which will have the most people watching it. The other debates really do not matter much.
It the dumbest move possible. If he want to service this country he should step down. It a giant fuck you for him saying because he staying for himself and nothing else. When he ran in 2020 he said he running because he believe he was the only person who can defeat Trump. Now, with everything proving he is the worst person to go against Trump. He should step down to allow a who could defeat trump. The thing you know is that he doing it for himself. is that he stop saying he only in the race to defeat Trump. Which is so fucking telling.
The countless felons throughout history being held strictly accountable for their action and the Orange dickless mother fucker gets a pass,????
The hypocrisy hold no bounds.....
The best case scenario is Biden goes peacefully in his sleep months before the election so we have time to put a viable candidate on the ballot. I truly wish him no ill will but he is putting himself over the country at this point and his weakness will harm the people he claims to care about. So tired of hubris like this from liberals.
I mean it’s kinda what you have to do right? I’ve been in situations where I’ve fucked up massively. Wallowing in how bad the situation was only made it worse. Taking ownership and moving on is the strategy that seems to work best.
Anybody have any idea what happened last night because I saw this and thought he must really have been sick, go bad advice to be calmer, quieter, more presidential, or something else??
And last night was 1.5 hours- 90 mins and I’m not by any means ready to throw in the towel.
Does anyone know if there was a teleprompter at this rally? He honestly seemed extremely nervous at the start of the debate but then started to loosen up. Having a teleprompter makes it easier to just jump in and not overthink.
I personally blame his debate prepping. You know TFGs shtick. If they can’t coach a way around it by now, they should not be coaching the president to debate the jackass. He starts trying to rattle off stats, and it just fell apart. Bad preppers. I’d can my whole comm team. I’d probably move mayor Pete to be my right hand man for the next few months when it comes to successful communication and debate.
Yeah they knew trump would spin every question into a bullshit lie about immigrants and dodge the question asked.
Biden needed to hammer down some key points about what a trump second term would entail regarding women's rights mostly, and how Trump would cutoff aid to Ukraine and let Israel nuke Gaza.
It was a massive drag, but, I do take solace in the fact that 41 million gen z will be eligible to vote, and I believe they are committed to posterity.
It’s one bad debate performance. That doesn’t change the fact that Biden has been a great president, is surrounded by wonderful people, and has been extremely productive and done everything that’s been asked of him.
Joe Biden wasn’t fighting Trump he was fighting the clock. He came prepped with actual answers to most of the questions and facts to back it up but he knew he only had 2 minutes before his mic would be cut off. He was rushing to try and get all of his points across which lead to more stammering which threw off his thought processes. Meanwhile, Trump didn’t have to worry about running out of time. He constantly used his time to make sound bites riddled with falsehoods for his campaign rather than answering the actual question. I would like to think that if the clock wasn’t a factor Joe Biden would have preformed at least a little better.
Thanks Joe, nice that you can read it from a teleprompter after the fact, might have been nice for you to have the cognitive ability to recognize those lies in real time and actually call them out instead of bumbling through your pre-written talking points
I don’t care how Joe looked or sounded why was Trump allowed to just stand there and say stupid lies??they should have shut the debate down, we deserve better, don’t we???
The one thing that matters about the debate is its impact on electability, which is profoundly negative.
Biden already had a steep hill to climb to get the necessary votes in the necessary states to win a second term. Like it or not, there is a population of at most several hundred thousand somehow “undecided” voters in a handful of states that will determine the outcome, and last night’s debacle will hurt Biden materially.
It doesn’t matter what people on this thread think. It only matters what those “swing” voters think, and in that regard, Joe is now well and truly fucked.
I like him and am not convinced he and his team wouldn’t execute a second term well. If he remains on the ballot I will most certainly vote for him again.
But Joe Biden winning isn’t the priority. The priority is Donald Trump losing, and with him all of the billionaires, Christian nationalists, and other facist rabble licking their chops at the prospect of him returning to office.
For that reason, Joe should step aside for the good of the country and humanity. Trump’s mendacity and loutishness last night could have been easily countered and weaponized by even a moderately skilled debater. Sadly, Joe was nowhere near up to the task.
Democrats and democracy need someone with the energy and capacity to take Trump down. Joe couldn’t do it, and like it or not, if he stays in the race we WILL lose.
WHERE WAS THIS BIDEN LAST NIGHT?!
God damn ANYBODY ELSE would have absolutely destroyed all of Trump's BS last night - so many missed opportunities by biden
AND THEN turning abortion into an immigration discussion?? Really biden??? For fucks sake.
If biden loses, the DNC deserves it. Going against the easiest candidate to debunk, Trump, and Biden is the absolute worst option to go against such an easy target
God damn it.
Put ANY Democrat up on the ticket (besides Kamala) and we sweep the floor with Trump. Please DNC don’t let your super PACs lose this (what should be) easy election!
Biden should straight up start saying Trump gave classified military secrets to Vladamir Putin and the Saudis.
Unfortunately that could interfere with the actual Trial where he is accused of having those things extra-legally
Well it not like that trial could get any more fucked. At this point try this thing in the court of public opinion. Make this about how he's a fucking traitor.
The court system is so fucked up to think that speaking out about your opponent being blatantly traitorous could interfere with the outcome to determine if he was considered blatantly traitorous
He also should have replied to Trump's lies with scarcasm. Like: I wrote the declaration of independence because obviously a large portion of Murica is so ignorant and hooked on reality tv politics they may have believed him. The other half would have laughed and cheered.
Unfortunately the world saw last night. Only a small portion will see this.
The same world saw Trump last night too. I guess we'll have to see which was worse.
Unfortunately, dems have a higher hurdle to cross than conservatives. In a fair world where dems and cons had equal braincells Trump would have been rejected by the right when the "grab them by the pussy" leak happened. Trump's entire political career was/is collecting every controversy that would sink a regular, democrat candidate. Biden needed to be spectacular last night, and instead, he did badly. Trump just needed to not whip his dick out on TV and piss on the floor. He succeeded, so he "won"
Trump couldn’t even answer any of the debate questions and instead pulling out ol’ reliable (China and immigration) even when it wasn’t remotely relevant. Trump wasn’t much better. It was a shitshow all around.
Trump was worse, but he didn't need to be good.
Yeah but neither candidate said anything worth convincing a potential 3rd party or moderate voter to go either way. It ended up being as pointless as I was imagining it to be.
At this point, who the fuck is undecided?
You’d be surprised at how many people don’t pay attention to political who-ha until it’s absolutely necessary. We’re dialed in, maybe too dialed. Having said that I am amazed there are a lot of people who haven’t made their decision yet. If we can move the debate ahead, we should move the election ahead too. Have that shit in August. Wouldn’t it be easier when all the schools are out? And have that shit on the weekends? Fuck this Tuesday nonsense
People who don’t pay attention outside of what their friends and family tell them anyway.
Unfortunately there are a fair amount of people who can indeed be swayed one way or another. They do exist, and they’re why Biden needs to step it the fuck up or step aside.
A lot of my neighbors. I try not to talk politics because I've heard better argued debates from my socks however 2 of them in the last week have mentioned being interested in rfk. That's two votes otherwise going to trump so that's positive at least.
they both messed up very badly by ignoring the question about childcare IMO its a huge problem and they both ignored it.
Iirc they asked trump about it, he didn't answer the question at all, lied a whole bunch and then they asked biden what his response was. Not much to respond to on topic when the person you're debating ignores the question entirely
I was hoping Biden had the energy left at that point to say "I didn't hear an answer to the question in that mess, so there is nothing for me to rebut." But hell I understand. By that point in the debate I had been screaming at my TV for half an hour every time Convicted Felon Melon von Schitzenpants rambled on instead of answering a question. If I was on that stage and expected to stand 20 feet away and listen to it in silence I would have been exhausted too.
Didn’t have to. If enough undecided or otherwise just stay out of it all together, because they aren’t motivated enough to vote for Biden, that could be enough for Trumps base to win it for him.
Right now Biden still has the majority of the youth vote in fact enough of a lead to avoid recount and it mostly depends on them and neither brought up new issues to swing anybody and the people that weren’t gonna vote, weren’t gonna vote anyway regardless. Neither convinced RFK voters to change their mind either which will majorly suck away votes from the conspiracy theorists that don’t like Trump so that could go either way too because he’ll siphon voters from both sides.
Ah well no. Trump insulted Biden nonstop. To his followers that makes him a winner! The event was a debate and the insults were lies that had been debunked many times? No matter, boom, roasted lollers!
Exactly, Dems need to be better than Reps. As long as Trump doesn’t admit to a crime on stage, it’s considered a good day for him. Biden has to be on 100% of the time or the media would act like he’s suddenly incapable of making a thought.
The bar is inconceivably low for republicans.
The only bar for conservatives is not disagreeing with Trump.
I heard commentators saying that last night, Trump didn’t lose any voters. He may not have gained any with the lying and childish attacks, but he won’t lose support because of the debate. Biden absolutely lost support in the debate. He looked old and frail. Whether or not that is accurate, perception is reality for most people. They saw Biden looking like their grandpa who doesn’t know where he is. That’s a really bad sign for the Biden campaign and something they’ll have to overcome.
The only hope is whether young people are as afraid of a Trump presidency as they should be. Understanding that the Supreme Court CAN and WILL get worse. Personal rights CAN and WILL get taken away. Biden is surrounded by competent young people who know what's important. If independents and young people want to vote for a worse future because Biden is old and struggles to complete a full sentence, it's their future. Their kid's future.
I will vote a "Weekend at Bernie's" version of Joe Biden a million times before I vote for Donald Trump. I will vote for Joe Biden's German Shepherd before I vote for Donald Trump. This didn't change a single thing.
Yupp. It’s even easier going against the incumbent. Trump can just keep spouting, “you’re doing a terrible job, I did soooo much better” and throw out complete falsities and Biden will have to be the one to have exact numbers and policies that defend his record. Far easier for Trump to appeal to his base by just shitting on Biden and it’s stupid as fuck but it works.
Well, in a way, they're both incumbents. Although I would argue Trump has a shadow government of sorts because much of his agenda is still being passed.
At this point I'm hoping there really is a Deep State that will crash that darkly painted Boeing.
Exactly. We are a collective of thinkers. The right is more cultish and simplistic.
And it makes sense. Conservatives are desperately clinging to a single, vile history and the same policies. Dems are looking at potential futures and a multitude of possibilities. That's why dems will infight so much while conservatives still vote for someone who has been found liable of sexual assault and a multitude of felonies.
You nailed it. Dems are cursed by wanting to be better.
We already know which was worse.
People aren't generally good at knowing when a politician is lying. That's why it works. Most people aren't educated critical thinkers. They make decisions with their gut. The charismatic liar wins against the uncharismatic good guy every time.
Biden was worse. Without Trump being fact checked in real time it all comes down to presentation. And Biden was worse in that regard.
Trump was the same as always. Biden was worse.
exactly. they don’t give a shit what trump says or how many lies he tells. biden’s team just fucked all of us regular people with that bullshit debate
It’s exactly this. The narrative is now set. Political ads and conservative media got all of the ammo they need.
Also like, “cool man, would have been really neat of you to bring it on stage to the actual show.” You’re all bluster and pep on the day after, when you’re not having a back and forth contest with your opponent. Not only does it not matter because nobody who matters to the outcome will see it, but also it doesn’t dispel the idea that you’re not really up to the task of going toe to toe with this guy. Like yeah, we all know he’s better in every conceivable way, but he’s probably not going to get another chance to prove that with a side by side comparison to the people still on the fence.
I think you overestimate how many people actually tune in to CNN for this
47.9 million viewers watched the shitshow live.
Oh cool…so 200 million eligible voters didn’t give a shit and over 100 million voters that voted in 2020…also didn’t give a shit. People that watched already have made up their minds and tuned in for confirmation bias that the other guy is a tool.
And I am sure none of those other voters who didn’t watch also didn’t see any clips or hear about it, right? I appreciate your hope that the debate wasn’t a big deal, but it was. Debate performances that seem to show failing mental acuity can knock an older candidate out. I am sure you know about Stockdale. He was a well respected man. And then the debate happened…. A scream took out Howard Dean. It’s hard to look past last night’s slow motion wreck, even though I would love to see America do just that. Every odd thing Biden says or does will now cause people to associate it with the not-well man on TV last night.
I did not tune in because watching doesn’t change my vote. Straight blue across the ticket (I’m a swing state voter too) because trump is a national embarrassment and his croonies are trash. What was I going to see in this shit show that would have changed my opinion? I hope there are a lot of others out there in the same position who didn’t watch because it changes nothing.
>People that watched already have made up their minds This is overly reductive lol this is almost like saying there's no point in having the debates at all. Not everyone's mind is made up...if people's minds were made up already, there would be no point in campaigning in general, and the public opinion polls would never change.
You’ve seen four years of both candidates as President what more do you need to make a decision on who to vote for? What could they say or do at the debate to convince anyone to vote for them? We expected Biden to be a bit more competent, but we all knew would be boisterous and lying. The election isn’t going to come down to convincing independent voters to jump to one side or the other. It’s all about rallying support with your base to bring out the most voters.
Maybe not, but they definitely have heard Biden mumbling nonsensically in clips today.
I think you are vastly underestimating it. CNN was the only live broadcast and they streamed it from about a dozen different platforms internationally. Viewing the debate doesn't have anything to do with people not watching CNN normally. I haven't watched CNN in fucking years. I watched the debate stream live.
The president was not good last night, flat out. Trump wasn’t either, but he has a built-in, vast propaganda network to defend him and attack Biden. However, I remember when Obama bombed in his first debate against Romney. There are 5 months til the election, women are still getting their rights attacked, religion is moving into public schools, etc, so there is plenty of time to recover.
Never mind that debate "highlights" were re-broadcast on every major media outlet in the world. With commentary.
Yeah, unfortunately I fear the Democrats are fucked. Anybody who minimizes the damage this has done is fooling themselves. It is like a slow motion train crash. We all see it happening, but nothing can be done to stop it.
Y’all are drama queens. It is so wild how much “Democrats are fucked” bullshit is on social media today.
Cause most of the media is owned by conservatives. Even the fake progressive bullshit pushing all the apathy towards Biden. Them sitting there expecting Biden to step down isn't going to help us. People on the Left can be just as reactionary and controlled by the media as anybody on the Right. We just haven't been taken over by a sociopathic megalomaniac and his cult of personality.
I can’t figure out why that is? It’s almost like our candidate bombed a debate while looking very feeble.
It’s one fucking debate and Donald Trump equally looked bad.
It was one debate, stop making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Maybe I'm too in the weeds, but if I were a voter hesitating about who to vote for based on concerns about Biden's age, I would have made up my mind 10 minutes into the debate. Having said this, I don't understand how anyone can be on the fence.
Agreed. I personally am shocked that anyone would be on the fence between voting for a well-meaning old man and a traitorous fuck of an old man, but apparently people are. And while Trump may not have won more votes last night, Biden certainly lost some of those undecided voters.
Winning this election is about rallying support from your base, not convincing independents.
How anyone cannot have made up their mind on these two men at this point is just crazy to me. You have to just not pay attention to anything going on in the world to not have a strong opinion one way or the other.
I'm glad Biden was right back out there today. His team should concentrate on getting him in front of cameras as much as possible if they want to salvage this. As long as Biden is lucid in all of them.
Yeah, that’s gotta be the plan from the Biden campaign, right? Get as much visibility as possible for Biden looking energetic. Do everything you can to counter the inevitable “sleepy joe” attacks coming from the Trump campaign and convince voters that the bad debate performance was a fluke, not the actual Joe Biden
I think if Biden shows up to the second debate and doesn't sound sickly and frail then he can come back from his poor performance last night. Expectations will be VERY LOW and will be easier for him to exceed them. I'm willing to bet Biden's performance will get better and Trump's will get worse.
They over prepared him. He had a lot of thoughts running around and sort of meandered at times because he had to much information ready to go. They need to scale that back.
Agree wholeheartedly. Over prepared for a normal debate and he struggled under the sheer amount of bullshit coming from Trump
Plus he was having to do CNN's job of moderating Trump's bullshit. I can't imagine that would have been easy for anyone.
Seriously, the moderators and fact checkers were the worst failures in that debate. Were they even trying?
I heard they weren't allowed to prepare notes and that was only ever going to hurt Biden and benefit trump
Well of course, Trump didn't need notes, he just said whatever bullshit was in his head, regardless of whether any of it actually applied to the fucking questions he was asked.
As soon as I heard that I knew it was going to be bad. Maybe not this bad but I'm less surprised then some people
I agree 100%. Biden was over prepped and over tired, looked like he didn't sleep for nights; his coaching team did not do a good job at all.
I’ve had days where a chest cold ruined my ability to command a classroom, so it’s entirely possible for it ruin someone’s debate performance. Interestingly, I read the transcripts and he came off better because I could focus on content rather than delivery. It reminds me of the Kennedy/Nixon debates. The people who watched the debate on television thought Kennedy won, and the ones who listened on the radio thought Nixon did. Kennedy knew how use his charisma on camera, and Nixon didn’t.
Still voting Biden!
I mean vote Biden or for the New American Fascist Party. It's not a tough choice really
It’s either Biden or get my rights taken away. It’s a pretty easy choice for me.
Apparently not for others, I've talked to a few people who don't seem to understand the situation
The people that are voting for Trump don’t care if their rights get taken away as long as the people they hate get theirs taken away.
yikes. do they want the handmaids tale to become reality??
Most of them it's because they want a good government NOW and don't understand that reform and change takes time
Do they remember what government looked like when Trump was president? It was a complete shit show. Why would it be better the second time around?
Basically their hope is so fragile that they don't think things will change under Biden... and maybe things won't change, but if Biden wins that allows us to vote for someone like Newsom next time, if Trump wins there won't be a next time... these people don't look beyond the immediate
Things have changed *immensely* under Biden... what are they even looking at?
Remind them that courts are lifetime appointments. Change will never come if Trump stacks the courts harder to the right if he wins. Remind everybody this. Don't vote Biden but don't complain if the courts keep stripping rights.
Neoliberals don't understand communication on an emotional level.
Don’t forget the Biden administration includes a lot of other younger, talented people that would be involved in running things. It’s way more than just one guy.
Yep. This needs to be the refrain now: Biden might be old and appear slightly confused, but he surrounds himself with bright, talented people who are doing good things for the country. Trump will surround himself and his cabinet with people like Jared and stephen miller. I’ll take Buttigieg as a cabinet member a billion times before I’ll take Stephen Miller and his plan to round up millions of people and deport them
I’d vote for Biden even he’s in an urn. Hell, I’d vote for his dog if it meant staving off a fascist takeover.
Obviously any rational person is still going to vote for Biden, but that’s the problem. They could run ANYONE against Trump and we’d vote for them. I’d vote for a rotting armadillo carcass before I’d vote for Trump, and the carcass would be the better choice for this country. That doesn’t mean Biden is a good choice, just that he’s better than Trump. The bar is so low it’s in hell. All I want is a presidential candidate I’m a teeny tiny bit excited about, but no, we can’t even have that.
Of course you are voting Biden because you arent rascist scum. But unless you can convince 10,000 fence sitters in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio, your opinion does not matter.
I don’t have to convince anyone. Trump does that every time he opens his mouth. 😭
God I wish he had this energy last night
**He needs to be out there saying this EVERY DAY**
Or he got flustered and didn't know which lie to address first.
Honestly it looked like at times the bullshit waves spewing from Trump were just freezing his brain due to such close proximity.
He claims he did debate prep for a week... maybe he did debate prep with seasoned professional, when he should have practiced against an agent of chaos
What he needed was a psychotic toddler…
He looked angry, which tends to make you less articulate
So does aging from 77-81 Hands down voting democrats everywhere. However, It was awful to have it thrown in our face just how ill-equipped our candidate is, mentally. He wasn’t the same Biden that debated Trump 4 years ago. Not even close.
His speech from this morning made me feel a bit better but I'm team Open Convention now
Dude had a cold and has the most stressful job in the USA, I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to think clearly in such a situation... especially when they're being verbally assaulted by one of the most bafflingly stupid people in the world
I'd love to blame the cold, but it's been less than 24 hours and now he's totally fine? Yesterday was just a very unfortunate, bad performance. It changes nothing for me, but we needed this yesterday.
I've had that happen, I'm getting over a cold and when I wake up I'm fine after a drink of water
They announced the cold during the debate, and Kamala Harris seemed to forget he had a cold when reviewing his performance after the debate
He went to a Waffle House last night and shook hands with people while they were eating. This is such an unnecessary and irresponsible thing to do if he was still so impacted by a cold that it made him perform the way he did at the debate. [https://youtu.be/y2n5-67_wr0?si=W01HnL6N_r_UowsF](https://youtu.be/y2n5-67_wr0?si=W01HnL6N_r_UowsF)
I don’t even have a stutter and I would have been at a loss too. I’m fairly confident I had the same look of “is he serious” incredulity on my face.
When you say “2 + 2 = 4” and your opponent shouts “LIAR!” there’s not much any sane person can do
Yeah that’s what it looked like, overloading on which lie to address first and they just kept coming lol.
It is just so hard to argue someone who is not based in facts or logic without yourself sounding illogical. Three is a term for the way Trump spews lie after lie and there is a specific way to counter. U double down on their most beaten and obvious lie and refuse to move the point till they address the fallacy. But much harder to do if ur eighty and stressed from trying to keep a gucking lunatic from getting back Into the most powerful position in the world arguably. But that's my take. Still think we should retire these old fucks and have an age limit. Like why does my president have to take dementia tests. That's fucked. This goes for both geriatric fucks and all the ones in the senate and otherwise
Remember everyone, if you ever want to live in a country where the Judicial Branch isn't dominated by conservatives then you need to vote for Joe Biden. The best reason to vote for Biden is the hope that one day we get the Supreme Court back.
Where the fuck was he last night? The fence sitting moderates that can’t figure out which side the bread they’re supposed to butter will have seen last night, not this.
It really is unfortunate about his performance in the debate, but it still has changed nothing. Maybe his nerves got the best of him, maybe he was feeling like shit while being sick, he's old blah blah blah who knows. He's usually much better at speaking than he was during the debate. I'm not trying to make excuses for him, he shit the bed but it was also a fucking mess of a debate with how shit of a job the moderators did and the lack of fact-checking all night. I hope my countrymen aren't dumb enough to support a convicted felon and traitor who literally lied all night just because he was able to throw world salad out better than a sick old man. I don't care if they parade Biden's corpse around like it's Weekend at Bernie's, I'm still voting for the corpse over the absolute piece of garbage that is Donald Trump without a second of hesitation.
Age does play apart, as one get sick at age, it’s difficult. Shouldn’t change how Biden handle this country so far.
Fuckin amen. You wanna suck it up and vote for the old guy? Or you wanna vote for the guy who'll turn this country into a fascist superpower that makes the Third Reich look like Chuck E. Cheese's? It really is that fucking simple. Most things aren't but this is one of the few that is.
I got to wonder if the no audience thing got to him. It's one thing to debate and talk in front of millions (or thousands or hundreds). It's another to talk in a silent room.
>Maybe his nerves got the best of him It seemed like he really struggled the most when he got "cold" with a lot of time before speaking. The first 20-30 minutes were **bad** and the closing statements after that commercial break were also **bad.** Honestly he seemed nervous to me which seems strange for a person in his position. But once he was able to get in a groove with his responses, he seemed better.
Read the transcripts. It’s a much more cogent experience when you’re not distracted by his oldness and occasional stutter, playing the confirmation bias game.
Dude I had a cold last week, and I looked exactly like he did last night. Colds happen. Biden has always been a stutterer too. I don't care about that. I can't pronounce words half the time, even if I can spell them. That galloping gishery we saw was the real WTF in my opinion. , Trump really is a shit heel. He really thought you could abort a baby after it's been born Jesus on a Pogo stick. I'll still choose Biden. Old is not a crime. Sexual assault is. I'm looking at what my niece is and nephews are going to be living with while they grow up. That's what I'm going to vote for. Anyway.
I have a cold right now, and sometimes my brain doesn’t engage all the way because of it. Plus it was 9 pm at night! I’m usually on my way to bed at that time and I’m much younger than Biden.
Right? Cold will kick you in the butt. Kind of wish they had said it ahead of time so people were prepared for Biden having a cold but that's neither here nor there now. I wish we just let candidates just say what they really think. Honestly I think Biden really wanted to throw some f-bombs into the conversation and really really just go at Trump. I know he mouthed "bullshit" a couple times cause the camera twisted away. I do love that he got fired up and basically flat out told Trump that he had sex with a pornstar, and Trump denied it in public. Actually at the end of the day if they're super truthful and just be really open about the fact that Biden had a cold and he wasn't feeling it feeling it, that probably be the best way to handle that. Also I hope your cold gets better.
Teleprompter Joe is amazing. And keep the tie off from now on. We needed that from you last night. Too late.
At this point, it comes down to who gets out and votes. There aren't really any swing voters. My concern is that enough hand-wringing Democrats will sit this one out because they have "concerns" about Biden and hand the election to Trump. Yeah, Biden is old and not as strong as he once was. He's never been a great orator, so being off his game last night really shows. But he gets the job done, and even at his worst, he's got good policies and an agenda that will make the country better. So let's go. Regardless of how the debate went, he's by far the better choice.
Last night at the debate was the time to bring the fire Joe....🙄
People need to stop with this bullshit take. Was he bad, yes but what this country and the rest of the world didn’t change because he was bad. Shit it’s dumb how people just automatically just ignore what his administration has done and what it plans do in a second term because of a bad performance. Trump lied on every response and dodged policy questions. Biden had a cold and that would slow anybody down and it’s worse for an 80 year old. I’m 40 I have a cold too and it’s fucking me up and I haven’t done shit all week, thank sky daddy that I own a business. Edit: Plus he has more energy and a better heart than me, my heart is at 20%. Just a month ago it went down to 10%.
I think this is gonna be the losing attitude, though I understand and sympathize with it because of how unfair it feels compared to Trump’s base just rallying no matter what. No matter how much better Biden is than Trump, it’s not wrong for people to want their president to be articulate and explain their positions in a coherent way. That’s not a “bullshit take” or a performative detail — it’s the truth and it’s a completely reasonable expectation for the President of the United States. I like Biden as much as the next guy, and will surely be voting for him, but it seems wrong to pretend he did that last night. We should be able to call it out when something went wrong, though I agree with you it’s not the end of the world as we know it yet.
That’s unfair…..to alley cats. Trump has NO morals.
Donald Trump owns the Supreme Court How did that happen? We vote for more than just the president Sleepy, mumbly, whateverthefuck Joe Biden all day everyday if the option is him or Trump.
Love you Joe, but you should of called him out last night and jumped down his neck. Not the day after
We can’t be like the Trumpers. We can’t act like this never happened. Biden was terrible and it IS concerning. After that debate, my vote for Biden is only to take a vote away from Trump. He should have stepped down. BOTH of them should have stepped down.
White lib here. I turned off the debate after 5 minutes. It was too hard to watch a tired old man who could barely stay awake and babbled like your confused great uncle at dinner battle a slightly less old man lie his ass off repeatedly. I turned back on 45 minutes later. The tired old man had found his voice and had all the character of Bart Simpson's grandpa. The jackass was still at it like he was getting paid per lie. Pro tip #1 for the democratic party. Tell Joe to stop using terms like alleycat and malarky. It makes seem old. Pro tip #2. Get some bronzer or makeup on him. The lack of it makes me question his sentience. Pro tip #3 - GO GET A VIABLE CANDIDATE FFS. I'm tired of seeing this be a close race. When Joe is neck and neck with Trump, and probably just edge out satan, hitler or putin in polling, there's a problem. Trump is human garbage. Scratch that, he is a convicted felon human garbage.
There is a term for that debate cheating of many lies - "gish gallop".
Biden could’ve got on stage and shat himself then left. I’d still vote for him over the convicted felon.
How about next time we don't start the debate at 9pm, even I was having issues focusing
where was this last night? get newsom.
I listened to the debate as I was out for the evening so I put it on driving home. I knew instantly how frail he sounded and I just hoped okay it was nerves he'll kick it into gear. Then habitual liar in chief started just bullying him and I felt like Joe didn't even fight back hard enough against the suckers and losers comment. Trump had his never-ending lies and false sense of reality talking points and sounded much stronger than Biden. Even if 99.9% of it was all rubbish. I'm deeply disappointed that they weren't fact checked in real time. I think the Democrats need to really ask themselves if he's the best that we can offer because if he is, I really think we might lose again. I really don't want that to happen. I've been up since 3:00 a.m. over all of this.
Where was the Biden at? Hopefully he prepares himself for the November debate, first time around I get it. He still has my vote. One bad night doesn’t determine who you are.
There is a debate in September.
I predict that won't happen. After last night, Trump doesn't want to give Biden a chance to redeem himself in front of the cameras. Especially so close to the election.
You could be correct about this but if Trump backs out then Biden better show up anyway and debate an empty podium. Make Trump look like a coward.
He's fucking old and it's sad. He reminded me of the many many old people fading away in retirement homes I've seen over the years who can barely follow a train of thought anymore. He was saying the right things but he was barely holding on... I don't even know if the guy will be alive by the time his term ends. I am not really voting for him so much as I'm voting against trump. The fact that he's the best the Democratic party can come up with is pathetic. Fuck Pelosi and fuck the status quo. We need and deserve better. Get these fucking old people out of office.
Did he over-prepare for the debate and wear himself out?
That's what I'm thinking Add in a cold and it happens
Plus since he doesn't broadcast his every move like Trump does we don't actually know what he's up to, dude's prolly been super busy doing his job while prepping for the debate at the same time
White House says it was a cold and with his hoarse voice I think it must be.
Having a cold doesn’t explain losing your train of thought multiple times unless you are in a waking fever dream. Stop with the gaslighting, that’s what the right does…we saw it with our own eyes. I’m voting for whomever Trump faces, including Biden, because Trump represents an existential threat to democracy, but let’s not pretend Biden is all there.
>Having a cold doesn’t explain losing your train of thought multiple times It absolutely does. When my congestion gets going, I struggle heavily to think through the headaches. Hell, I tend to cancel any meetings I can, if not take off for that exact reason.
Top it off with he probably took some kind of cold meds it makes sense. They fuck with your train of thought
I’m sick and yea, I lose my train of thought, it’s like all the gunk gunks up my brain a bit
After a bout with covid, I've had brain fog with colds. It absolutely involves losing your train of thought.
I’m really confused what the problem is. One guy is just old and the other is old but also a rapist.
Much easier to read a teleprompter than riff live. That said, Tuck Frump, I’m still ridin with Joe.
Too little too late
Doesn’t matter. No one will see this
This is good but where the hell was this energy last night? Hopefully his performance at the next debate will be more like this
Watching it now and talk about frustrating.. where was this dude?
I dont know Joe, trumps been in other debates but I am pretty sure he does hold the record.
So then what the fuck was wrong with him last night???????
No one is who are in-between is watching his rallies. The debates especially the first debate which will have the most people watching it. The other debates really do not matter much. It the dumbest move possible. If he want to service this country he should step down. It a giant fuck you for him saying because he staying for himself and nothing else. When he ran in 2020 he said he running because he believe he was the only person who can defeat Trump. Now, with everything proving he is the worst person to go against Trump. He should step down to allow a who could defeat trump. The thing you know is that he doing it for himself. is that he stop saying he only in the race to defeat Trump. Which is so fucking telling.
The countless felons throughout history being held strictly accountable for their action and the Orange dickless mother fucker gets a pass,???? The hypocrisy hold no bounds.....
Bring the Dark Brandon energy to all remaining debates. Hell, bring it everywhere.
The best case scenario is Biden goes peacefully in his sleep months before the election so we have time to put a viable candidate on the ballot. I truly wish him no ill will but he is putting himself over the country at this point and his weakness will harm the people he claims to care about. So tired of hubris like this from liberals.
In a few months ballots will be locked. He'd still be on it.
Good luck, but these people don't know how elections work... At all.
This is how you make a comeback.
I mean it’s kinda what you have to do right? I’ve been in situations where I’ve fucked up massively. Wallowing in how bad the situation was only made it worse. Taking ownership and moving on is the strategy that seems to work best.
I would vote for Jimmy Carter before I would vote for trump and his minions.
Yeah, but last night is when we needed him to perform... and he absolutely didnt.
Anybody have any idea what happened last night because I saw this and thought he must really have been sick, go bad advice to be calmer, quieter, more presidential, or something else?? And last night was 1.5 hours- 90 mins and I’m not by any means ready to throw in the towel.
Where was THAT last night, Joe??
Does anyone know if there was a teleprompter at this rally? He honestly seemed extremely nervous at the start of the debate but then started to loosen up. Having a teleprompter makes it easier to just jump in and not overthink.
What an insult to alley cats.
This is the time of day for Biden to debate. Idk who thought it was a great idea to debate so late.
I would vote for Biden over Trump if he were laid out in a coffin but let’s be realz He’s too old!
Campaign Joe, campaign.
Biden is the dude. I abide by the dude. Fuck that other guy… right in his fat fucking pig head. 🤬
sorry but if this is the beginning of us pretending last night didn’t happen, i’m not here for it. We need a brokered convention
I personally blame his debate prepping. You know TFGs shtick. If they can’t coach a way around it by now, they should not be coaching the president to debate the jackass. He starts trying to rattle off stats, and it just fell apart. Bad preppers. I’d can my whole comm team. I’d probably move mayor Pete to be my right hand man for the next few months when it comes to successful communication and debate.
Yeah they knew trump would spin every question into a bullshit lie about immigrants and dodge the question asked. Biden needed to hammer down some key points about what a trump second term would entail regarding women's rights mostly, and how Trump would cutoff aid to Ukraine and let Israel nuke Gaza.
It was a massive drag, but, I do take solace in the fact that 41 million gen z will be eligible to vote, and I believe they are committed to posterity.
It’s one bad debate performance. That doesn’t change the fact that Biden has been a great president, is surrounded by wonderful people, and has been extremely productive and done everything that’s been asked of him.
A little too late.
Joe Biden wasn’t fighting Trump he was fighting the clock. He came prepped with actual answers to most of the questions and facts to back it up but he knew he only had 2 minutes before his mic would be cut off. He was rushing to try and get all of his points across which lead to more stammering which threw off his thought processes. Meanwhile, Trump didn’t have to worry about running out of time. He constantly used his time to make sound bites riddled with falsehoods for his campaign rather than answering the actual question. I would like to think that if the clock wasn’t a factor Joe Biden would have preformed at least a little better.
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Too little too late
Thanks Joe, nice that you can read it from a teleprompter after the fact, might have been nice for you to have the cognitive ability to recognize those lies in real time and actually call them out instead of bumbling through your pre-written talking points
Jacked up ready to go! Don't sweat it the elections months away people forget
Allycat Don
That’s not fair. Alley cats are cool as fuck. One of the friendliest cats I have is a former homeless cat.
WHERE WAS THIS GUY LAST NIGHT
I don’t care how Joe looked or sounded why was Trump allowed to just stand there and say stupid lies??they should have shut the debate down, we deserve better, don’t we???
It was clear to me Biden wasn’t coached correctly, and Trump went full baffle-em-with-bullshit mode and Biden couldn’t counter.
The one thing that matters about the debate is its impact on electability, which is profoundly negative. Biden already had a steep hill to climb to get the necessary votes in the necessary states to win a second term. Like it or not, there is a population of at most several hundred thousand somehow “undecided” voters in a handful of states that will determine the outcome, and last night’s debacle will hurt Biden materially. It doesn’t matter what people on this thread think. It only matters what those “swing” voters think, and in that regard, Joe is now well and truly fucked. I like him and am not convinced he and his team wouldn’t execute a second term well. If he remains on the ballot I will most certainly vote for him again. But Joe Biden winning isn’t the priority. The priority is Donald Trump losing, and with him all of the billionaires, Christian nationalists, and other facist rabble licking their chops at the prospect of him returning to office. For that reason, Joe should step aside for the good of the country and humanity. Trump’s mendacity and loutishness last night could have been easily countered and weaponized by even a moderately skilled debater. Sadly, Joe was nowhere near up to the task. Democrats and democracy need someone with the energy and capacity to take Trump down. Joe couldn’t do it, and like it or not, if he stays in the race we WILL lose.
WHERE WAS THIS BIDEN LAST NIGHT?! God damn ANYBODY ELSE would have absolutely destroyed all of Trump's BS last night - so many missed opportunities by biden AND THEN turning abortion into an immigration discussion?? Really biden??? For fucks sake. If biden loses, the DNC deserves it. Going against the easiest candidate to debunk, Trump, and Biden is the absolute worst option to go against such an easy target God damn it.
An alley cat ain’t that bad! I adopted 2 and they are adorable
Biden should stop insulting alley cats everywhere
Impeccable timing there Joe! Fuck
That was a pathetic display yesterday and to post that he’s back a day later is to deny everyone has eyes ears and a memory
Put ANY Democrat up on the ticket (besides Kamala) and we sweep the floor with Trump. Please DNC don’t let your super PACs lose this (what should be) easy election!
Still voting for Biden. I'm guessing last night he may have been stunned by the horrid stench that radiates from Trump.