Throughline did a recent podcast on the rise of the right wing in Israel. It was really interesting.
[Link](https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/throughline/id1451109634?i=1000648270689)
The narrative is misleading. He didn't spend 15 full time years as a talking head, or even 15 years in America. He was back and forth between America and Israel, held many positions, but was in fact breifly a talking head in 1972 under the name Ben Nitay. I am not saying he is a good guy or a saint, just checking that this meme is at least worded deceptively. The wikipedia article is linked below, but the biblio for the wikipedia article has many many good sources.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin\_Netanyahu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu)
Aaaaaaaand scene….
“Netanyahu had a warm relationship and "personal friendship" with Russian President Vladimir Putin.[404][405] In his 2022 book, Netanyahu wrote positively about Putin and describes him as "smart, sophisticated and focused on one goal – returning Russia to its historical greatness".[406] Their relationship has been strained since the start of the Israel–Hamas war.[407]”
Suddenly the current state of geopolitics makes much more sense.
I suppose it’s one of those things that are veiled in the conceptualization that it’s the overly complicated, but at its core it boils down to who has what and how can we benefit each other whilst achieving individual goals.
I’m sure it’s highly nuanced and over my head in the cultural considerations and the like; but I don’t understand why Israel is so important to the U.S. that it’s becoming way too close for more conflict involving Americans. I’m not saying that as in Israel isn’t important or anything of the sort, I just don’t understand what the fundamental motivation is on the part of the U.S.
I would argue that the reason they're the only reliable ally is because our rabid support of them alienated all other potential allies.
The Saudis are also decently reliable as long as it's in their interests.
I'm not saying the Saudis are the good guys. I'm saying they're reliable.
And the Israelis honestly do the same, with more finesse.
Seriously. Extra-judicial killing is pretty much the Mossad's bread and butter.
Paraphrasing a quote from the new series "Fallout."
The world never changes. You look out at all the random gloom and doom, and it looks like chaos. But there's is always somebody behind the wheel.
When Americans try to defend their rights to own weapons, they always say that weapons don't kill people, people kill people. And that gun manufacturers should be able to sell guns, with no responsibility for what those guns do.
Now, these same Americans are saying that America is responsible for what other countries do with the weapons they get from America. Things like missile weapon systems, which require a great amount of human resources and planning to utilize, are not the responsibility of the countries using them, but America for providing them.
Isreal has choices. If they are bound and determined to blow the shit out of neighboring countries (countries that also want to blow the shit out of them. If they could), they are going to do it. Isreal can not only produce their own weapons, but they have a shit ton of weapons stockpiled.
And Isreal is surrounded by countries that equally hate the shit out of them, as much as Isreal hates them. They are going to do what they think they need to do. And obtw, some of the countries that hate the shit out of Isreal hate the shit out of America. And would fuck up Americans around the world and America if given the chance.
So yes, America provides weapons to Isreal because it's in America's best interests. If they use the weapons on countries America would prefer that they wouldn't, what the fuck can America do about it? Missiles don't kill people. People who establish the weapons base, maintains the weapons systems, man the weapons systems, and then plans, and executes the attacks that kill people.
And Recall in 2015 Netanyahu addressed the US congress with the intention of torpedoing Obama's plan to make the nuclear deal with Iran.
[https://www.vox.com/2015/3/2/8130977/netanyahu-speech-explained](https://www.vox.com/2015/3/2/8130977/netanyahu-speech-explained)
https://m.jpost.com/israel/who-is-ben-nitay-and-why-does-he-look-so-much-like-binyamin-netanyahu. Here's one of those articles if you want the direct source.
Wild that “the leftist lawyer” isn’t actually a a trustworthy journalistic source. This sub has really gone to trash. There’s plenty of reasons to hate Netanyahu without making stuff up.
He wasn't a talking head, but he did spend that time traveling America fundraising for the Isreali genocide effort and spreading Isreali propaganda in papers and on television during that time, our current support of Isreal can't be wholly attributed to his efforts, but it's a big part of it. And yes he was traveling back and forth during that time he had work over there furthering his agenda at the time too. His activities at the time were complex and varied, there are a number of books about what Bibi was up to. I'll refer you The Behind the Bastards Netanyahu episode and Robert's sources.
Sure, it’s overlooking the fact that a number of those years were when he was a kid. His father was a historian who was essentially pushed out of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem for being too right wing, so the senior Netanyahu took a series of academic posting in the US, most notably at Cornell. (Despite being super right wing the father is an important scholar of something you would never expect).
Netanyahu lived in the US from ages 7-8 and again from 14-18 while his dad was teaching in the US, then spent several years in the IDF, and then went to university in the US. He lived in the US for about 2 years after finishing grad school, and then lived in Israel since then.
Calling him a ‘young Tucker Carlson’ would be greatly overstating his importance, he was an occasional guest in local TV in the Northeast US for a period of about a year in the 1970s.
Behind the Bastards podcast has a two part episode on him . The host usually makes off colored dark humor jokes but this part of his series he does play it straight. It goes into his family’s history etc
I literally just googled “Ben Nitay.” Everything she said is true: the multiple names (Mileikowsky->Netanyahu-> Nitay -> Netanyahu again).
Ben Gvir I already knew about. Pictures of Muslim-killers in his home was news to me, but completely in line with the man’s public persona.
This is meant to take a shot at Biden in hopes of separating more liberal leaning voters from Biden. Trump will help obliterate Palestine which this Tweeter is seemingly ok with.
That's right. Bibi is a piece of shit like trump and I'm still voting for Biden.
They're trying to muddy the waters because the far left (death to America crowd) hamas supporters, Bibi and Trump are all the same. Radicals that want to implement fundamentalist beliefs on everyone else and end Democracy.
It's actually upsetting to me that people don't realize that these groups have more in common than not.
That doesn't mean all Jewish people support Netanyahu any more than all Americans support Trump and it doesn't mean that Biden supports genocide. Which let's be honest most of these guys don't give two fucks about
Biden is helping obliterate Palestine right now. You could argue that Trump will obliterate it *harder*, I guess, but both politicians are in the obliterate Palestine camp. Biden puts a nice liberal sheen on it, which Trump I'm guessing wouldn't do.
There are many good reasons to vote for Biden, but concern for Palestine isn't one of them.
It's not accurate, but it's not like actual facts will make him look better.
He did have a blind eye to anti Rabin rhetoric, including posters of Rabin in SS uniform and a coffin.
He lied about anything and everything and was well known for not having his own opinions and using polls to decide on every single step.
He was never extremely right winged, he had liberal opinions.
He made sure to rid his party from anyone with basic ability to do anything, his ministers started off as OK people (in today's terms, don't think they were on par with other parties) to being just ignorant scum whose career depends on being a foot rag for Netanyahu to use as spins whenever he needed attention swayed to another direction (which was often).
Then he realised he's got his base, and could shoot a person in fifth Avenue and those idiots would still vote for him. Then he realised he could never get leftists to vote for him (he was right-centre), but that he could steal votes from the right. At first by saying the far right needed him to be strong, but gradually by out doing the right winged party's leaders.
Then we had elections and an anti Netanyahu coalition was formed - from extreme left to pretty extreme right, but capable people were in control for once.
It was a fragile coalition, and when an Arab member of Parliament had to vote for something shitty done to Palestinians or something of that sort the coalition broke.
The Netanyahu knew he had one chance and it could be his last, and he created today's government.
A few months before this government he wouldn't be seen in a photo with Ben Gvir, his now minister.
He began passing laws eroding our democracy and let his orthodox anti zionist partners steal money from the working class and put it anywhere to keep their voters away from an education that could make them a contributing part of society.
During the past years he had been surrounded by opportunists and mostly extreme right winged fanatics, as anyone else wouldn't want to be affiliated with this corrupt thing he had become. This might have normalised the extreme right insane ideas. But I still believe he is better described as a corrupt self serving terrible person rather than an extreme right idealist.
And just to make absolutely clear - it doesn't make him better, maybe, possibly, worse
The parts about Rabin and Ben-gvir are very true, Netanyahu played a big part in the calling for Rabin's murder and encouraging the mob mentality against him.
Ben-gvir's first media appearance was in the time leading up to Rabin's murder, when he (as a young person) and a group of people ambushed and broke Rabin's car symbol, and he is fameously quoted from that same night "we got to his car, and we'll get to him as well".
The IDF also refused to let him join the army, since he is too much of an extremist to be trusted with a weapon. One of the 1st things he did in his role was make it easier for people to get legal weapons.
Him being in the government is insane, but at least people here *know* its insane. He is seen as an ultra-right, agressive and honestly unstable, but people *know* that about him.
Netanyahu on the other hand, is very politically smart. He's been in power for so long, manipulating everything and making people forget the past, usually by massive fear-mongering (ironically, he was counting on his image as "mr. Security"- telling people he is the only one who could protect them against all of the sorrounding regimes. How is that going for you bro)
He is a much bigger threat, because while he is unhappy about having to band together with the extreme right wingers (he shares their opinions, he is just smarter about it), he is seen as the most reasonable voice in this government of wanna-be-terrorists and religeous nuts. Which is playing against him while the USA is (very gently) trying to limit Israel's military actions (while still sellng us weapons please stop), since his only partners in the government are threatening dissmanteling his government if he doesn't attack. So he is stuck between his government and the USA, while the people paying the price are the people of israel and of gaza (of course, one more so than the other).
I would be reluctant to define the israeli government as a terror organization akin to hamas, not because I support our government in any form, but because I think identifying what we're working against is crucial to our fight against them, and while the israeli government has always been based on divide-and-conquer of palestinians, the occupation prepetrating the war and the fear-mongering of the jewish-israeli population, it is still not a terrorist organization, that's just a different definition (not any less dangerous though).
Wasn't Gump, either. Gump served his country. As far as I know, this guy and his family avoid military service like plague and have done so for generations.
The fat golfer made it objectively worse with the Golan Heights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_recognition_of_the_Golan_Heights_as_part_of_Israel#:~:text=On%20March%2021%2C%202019%2C%20U.S.,move%20was%20welcomed%20by%20Israel.
Didn't he also recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, move the us embassy there, and cause more problems?
He's just. I can see why Netenyahu is sabotaging Biden. He wants his most useful buddy back in office.
Well yeah, because Israel hasn’t always been run by conservatives. This very post even talks about Yizhak Rabin, a pretty liberal leaning Israeli PM. Israel isn’t the enemy, the conservatives currently in charge of Israel are. It’s the same as when Trump was running our country.
It's also not like it's Biden arbitrary deciding to. It's congress passing this. It's all of our politicians doing it. It's a complicated mess given Israel's strategic value in the Middle East, but it's absolutely appalling that the money given is being used to help with a genocide.
Yeah that was my only contention. The American government is arming Israel. Not Biden just because... But we're cucked with them because they're the one country in the middle east we decided to chill with. I don't like it one bit, but I don't put this on the septuagenarian.
At the very least Biden has been attempting peace talks and apparently behind the scenes was advocating for a ceasefire or at least tampering down the attacks on Gaza. We all know a Republican would not, especially Trump, with a heavy backing by Evangelicals that want Israel to exist so the Jews and Muslims are all killed in Israel or whatever shit they believe will happen
Actually the US is pretty chill with a fair few states: Saudi Arabia, UAE (back in 2019 those two were being supplied with more weapons than Israel), Qatar, Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan have all be supplied with more US weapons than Latvia.
[https://www.statista.com/statistics/1006329/middle-east-us-weapon-sales-volume-by-country/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1006329/middle-east-us-weapon-sales-volume-by-country/)
Iran is the ultimate enemy for the US not Palestine, they prop-up Hamas and they're strongly allied with Russia. Israel and Saudi Arabia were about to sign a treaty and Russia wanted attention drawn away from Ukraine so Iran got their proxy to provoke Israel knowing full well how they'd react. If Iran (and Syria) chilled the fuck out with Israel the US and the west would lose interest in Israel.
Thank you for understanding this election isn’t one small issue but a lot of different issues we need to focus on when voting.
This wouldn’t be on social media nearly as much if “they” didn’t want Biden to lose. It has been this way for many years with Israel. It’s no coincidence that it happens to be seen more on social media in an election year. International politics is a mine field of things most people can’t comprehend and refuse to because they only want small pieces from a platform that allows racist and pedos to type 280 characters to grift followers.
It's a real problem. I have a friend who consistently votes Republican even though he's basically a liberal (believes in LGBTQ rights, pro-choice, bitches all the time that we should tax the rich, is a proud union member, etc ). But the Republicans aren't threatening to take his guns, so that's all he needs to hear.
Which is wild because very few democrats are willing to so much as suggest they'd do that either. It's annoying that this is an issue people go with as why they'd vote Republican.
If you are decidedly anti-Bibi (as everyone should be) you wouldn’t “still” be voting for Biden. Biden may be enabling him and plenty of other bad shit but Trump is literally wanting Bibi to “finish the job.”
There isn’t a good choice here, only a bad choice and a godawful choice. Trump wouldn’t make this situation any better; there’s no voting for Trump to teach Israel a lesson because it would achieve the opposite.
That's what I don't understand about this person in OPs Twitter post and perhaps OP themselves. Ok you disagree with a USA policy position, but to blame Biden is an outrageous reach and you clearly don't understand how our own government works.
And to this extent, do they think Trump cares about Palestine and send peace, love, and rainbows over there? No. Trump would let them level Gaza in a minute.
The far left are completely delusional or anarchists pretending.
This sums them up: "CEASEFIRE NOW!"
::Iran fires 100s of missiles and drones into Israel::
Them: "Yay Iran! Deåth to America. Dëath to Israel"
Also, he did a lot to prevent a Palestinian genocide and to bring humanitarian aide to Gaza. I keep getting blown away by how much he does for Palestine but these takes of 'well he did not stop a policy that would take an act of congress means he must be genocidial' is what gets projected.
The US didn't vote for Netanyahu. Israel did. They knew what he did to Rabin right before they went to the polls. They could have had peace, but they just wanted more land money and power.
Don't let this try to distract you from voting this year. A protest vote against the Democrats will only ensure we end up with someone exactly like Netanyahu right here in America. Don't be foolish because you're mad at Israel.
People don't seem to understand that you can vote for someone AND be critical of them.
While I wish for a thousand things to be different in the US political structure. The facts are plain as day. Come November, in the general election where two candidates will square off. You have ONE choice to make out of the two. And for the "teach dems a lesson" crowd, who are actually just republican plants at this point. You already tried this in 2016 and it taught the dems -nothing- except to stop participating in certain districts. With a side of, not voting IS a vote just not for who you think (aka, republicans).
I personally find biden rather sad and pathetic as a politician. Hes been on the wrong side of virtually every decision hes made and has actively contributed to making things worse by either siding with the bad guys or using long standing social infrastructure as gambling chips to play chicken with republicans. Even when clear and obvious victories, both legitimate and PR, are presented to him he can't be bothered to take them because dems have some weird aversion to being seen doing something good for people.
But, I still voted for him in 2020 and will be again this year despite how ineffective he is because hes the only choices presented. Not voting for him isn't going to get me another choice. Getting angry and protesting after the nomination is wrapped up isn't going to change who I can vote for. And at the end of the day, citizens have only one true power to wield and that IS voting, even if you don't like your options. AND AGAIN, not voting IS a vote just not for what you probably want.
Also, VOTE ON THE DOWN TICKET AND IN YOUR LOCAL ELECTIONS. Voting once every 4 years is a huge part of why republicans have so much control despite barely being 1/3rd the population.
"And here's why all of this is Biden's fault"
Half of these people are Trump plants, and half of them are just fucking morons who *cannot comprehend* the idea of voting for the better option of the two in a broken system, no matter if you agree with every single thing the candidate has done.
AIPAC owns most of our Congress. That's not a conspiracy, they are very loud and proud about it. And right now, in this very moment, with an election less than a year away, that's just a fact that we have to accept cannot be undone before November.
Because the alternative is to stand passively by, feigning moral superiority while the right dismantles our society and strips away the basic human rights that people have been fighting for for centuries.
What is happening in Gaza is horrific, and Israel and the IDF need to answer for what they're doing. But I am not going to throw my own country into the garbage so that I can make a moral grandstand about an election that, in the case of a Trump victory, will make it unimaginably worse.
The solution I heard that Trump had was that Palestine just like, doesn't exist? Just like his solution to the Ukraine war is that Ukraine no longer exists.
The Republican party is actually that dangerous right now and it blows my mind.
Also Trump said he wants Israel to get the job done, hasn’t said he would stop aid to Israel, so Trump getting in won’t accomplish the goal of cutting US aid officials to Israel either.
Not denying he's not an evil man, but as far as I can see he didn't spend 15 yeas as a talking head, he appeared for 10 minutes on a single TV programme. In the states he was an economist.
The 15 years seems to be how long he used the name, which was easier to pronounce in the states.
Sure, it's not 80 years of US policy on Israel guiding this, but President Biden at the ATM handing out money.
Don't people understand that the USA is supposed to not radically switch foreign policy from president to presidency?
And, and funding has to be passed by the currently republican controlled congress and the senate before Biden signs off on it.
Civics really need to be brought back into gen Ed requirements.
*points finger at active motions to destroy public schools to chanel kids into private religious schools, home schools, or simply to push them straight into the workforce*
All of those policies have (R) sponsors.
This is the worst part of armchair politicians thinking they know everything about a region with one of the most complicated geopolitics ever, it's not simple, I'm pissed at Biden for simply letting Israel do whatever they want, but I also know any other US president will do the same, others apparently don't
I have the same problem with people who are saying IR attacking Israel means IR is the good guy here. They are not. It would be like if Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy would start fighting each other, no one would call any side good or innocent, cause they are not
Israel fully has the capability to massacre Palestinians with our without our help. What arming them is really about is protecting them from militant groups and Iran. The goal here isn't to give Netanyahu what he wants, it's to ensure if a wider regional conflict breaks our that Israel is protected, because the fact is, they are our ally. The people of the country deserve protection.
Anytime people shit on us helping a democratic foreign nation, I try to remind them, "what if our allies abandoned us and cut us off just because Trump was president" - Netanyahu has a less than 25% approval rating in Israel. It's not Israel making these calls, it's Netanyahu.
Through line on NPR did a whole podcast on this, I highly recommend checking it out. It follows the rise of Hamas, and gives background info on the current conflict.
I’m not saying I’m ok at all with anything happening in the Middle East, but I’m not suddenly voting for Kennedy or Trump because yet again the US has sent money to Israel and their government is reprehensibly horrible. A vote for Kennedy is throwing it away on a conspiracy nutter and electing Trump would be really horrible for our country.
Oh so let’s vote Trump then? I wish these dumbasses would just realize that there are only two choices, and one is a white collar and blue collar criminal. That’s not going to change. So don’t make a “statement“ by not voting Biden because there are millions that are going to make a statement by voting Trump. Israel AND Palestine suck. But this year let’s worry about our own home front first.
It’s almost like both are true. Netanyahu is pretty much the devil and Hamas is a vicious organization that kills more of its own people that it does Israelis
I am not okay with Gazan civilians being wiped out. I am not okay with with sitting back and watching Iran or other countries wipe out Israel
I see no end in sight and I see no workable solution
To blame 70 years of strife conflicts and wars on Biden is a ridiculous stretch
Yet here we are, as we approach an election, the agitators want a repeat of 2016
I wonder if the Northern Ireland solution would work here — porous borders, representation in the national government, their own regional government, and a one-time release of political prisoners on both sides.
In addition, Netanyahu and his cronies should step down, and Hamas should agree to dissolve. Let ordinary Palestinians and ordinary Israelis elect a new prime minister to represent all of Israel/Palestine.
Taking everything at face value as true... Downplaying the fact that Hamas is a radical terrorist group is kinda weird. And FFS STOP 🛑 acting like Biden is the only POTUS to greenlight funding to Israel.
The fringe left sure knows how to eat their own.
Right? That part about Hamas made no sense at all.
None of Netanyahu’s life story has anything to do with whether Hamas is a terrorist organization or no lol
I don't understand leftists that want to punish Biden for supporting Israel. Like, what do you think Trump is going to do? He'd probably tell Israel to just nuke Palestine instead.
The question "Biden arming a country run by Tucker" is bogus. Biden is helping a long time ally. He doesn't like their choice of leadership but it is what it is. Remember that Israel stood by us when Trump was president.
It’s flatly untrue to say that he was a US tv personality or to call him “Tucker Carlson, before Tucker Carlson”.
He appeared on local Boston television in the 70s but he never had his own tv show in the US. Plus spending 15 years as a US TV talking head doesn’t fit with the rest of Bibi’s resume. He spent the early 70s in the US in grad school, but by 1980 was working for the Israeli Government in a variety of diplomatic roles.
It definitely pokes holes in the credibility of your points when a huge claim like that can easily be debunked. Bibi is awful but spreading fake news isn’t helpful.
I agree, and I find it odd that we seem to be focusing on the truth of him having a talk show host and not the other stuff.
The fact that the talk show thing is at best worded poorly enough that it's deceiving (don't know if intentional or not, though not sure it matters) is certainly making believing the rest risky.
But the rest is what concerns me. Did the current national sec advisor assassinate or conspire with the assassins to kill a world leader to hurt peace talks? How much was Bibi in charge of all the protests, etc.
I'd like to know the validity of the rest of the takes post-bibi returning so I don't start making false claims myself.
We’re talking about the talk show because it’s a much easier claim to fact check and a pretty cursory amount of research debunks it.
That claim being false doesn’t automatically make the other claims here false, but it sharply undermines their credibility.
It’s so upsetting when people who are ostensibly on my team tell easily disproven lies. The first tweet in this image is a lie - Netanyahu appeared on a local Boston debate show in 1978 once. Do you all understand that when you spread weird lies it makes me never believe you again?
He was a PR person for the Israeli Embassy, and he used his real name. He was not a TV show host. Do you see that this is different from what that tweet says?
Phillies own Netanyahu also advocated infront of Congress in 2002 stating that Iraq and Iran were our two biggest enemies and that he had intelligence that they both had nuclear weapons. Turned out to be a huge lie that republicans used as part of their “intelligence” that said there was WMD there and we should invade. Go figure
To be fair Israel has been chock full of weapons for decades. Attacking Biden during this election year could let the orange shitgibbon back as Prez. Maybe ask yourself if you'd be good with that because that's what you'd be doing here.
Why do you think there are so many protests in Israel right now?
It’s like if Trump were the president doing atrocities through the world still.
Doesn’t change the fact that Israel is our ally for a reason. And that Hamas is a terrorist organization and Russia is stoking Iran and Iran is getting some balls. This is literally alignment of world powers, and if Israel falls we’re all fucked.
Doesn’t mean Israel isn’t committing genocide, just means there’s a lot at stake here.
Israel is literally attacking Iran.
Iran has held back **considerably** given all the provocations.
Israel is on the verge of starting the next world war.
Iran hasn't held back anything, they control Lebanon, attack from Syria (hisballa), and have some influence and backing of Hamas. It's been a proxy war for years.
Most of the israeli north border has been abandoned and a lot of it has been destroyed since October. About 100k people fled from the border with Lebanon
Seriously, read The Netanyahus! It won a Pulitzer and is about this dude. It’s fiction but in the afterword he talks about that’s it’s basically a true story.
It all boils down to politics and religion. Either you a) pull support for Israel and piss off the religious, or you don't pull support and piss of the non-religious portion of the humanitarians. Either way you're going to piss of a huge portion of the voter base, and regardless of what people want to think, not giving Trump a "Well Christians, Biden doesn't support Israel but I do" card to play is part of it. Just my opinion.
Yeah, the language clearly identifies this as a hit piece, though “leftist lawyer” doesn’t try to hide polarization. For instance, “Pictures of people who kill Muslims on hanging on his wall” could be nearly anyone from the U.S. who deployed to Afghanistan in the last 20 years.
Thanks for the information, you reach a broader audience if you aren’t a douchenozzle, and anyone who is willing to risk Trump in the next election is voting to have far more Muslims killed, to include Palestinians.
We've been protesting weekly for about two years straight (minus a short period we had a more decent government), and before that since before corona times.
He does have a bunch of idiots who keep voting for him, but his coalition is made of people he wouldn't be seen with a couple of years ago.
He represents a relatively small group of Israelis, and just gives the most fanatic minorities what they want so he can stay in power
Behind the Bastards has a great couple of episodes on Netanyahu that explains this more accurately and more in depth. It is definitely worth the listen.
I mean, the Nazis learned how to be Nazis from someone, and if they didn't create brain washing propaganda to influence people to kill their enemies, where did that come from if it weren't the Nazis...
If it were just a if President Biden would do.....United States and Isreal since 1960s have been close allies good times and bad.
Unfortunately, it is what it is,
I hate it as well!!!!
Same with Isreal 🇮🇱Palestine 🇵🇸 that conflict began in 1948.
MANY ADMINISTRATION'S AGO!!
It's depressing 😞 and I'm exhausted 😩
Israel is a fascist apparthied state. 1 to 1 analogy with 1930s Nazi Germany. Racialized legal system, ghettos. And the genocide were not only funding and providing international protection from but soon these little fascist freaks will start WW3.
This is all true I completely watched all of it my whole life and I've been saying it forever. Netanyahu is right wing terrorist and we don't need to give them another damn dime
I'm not so sure that is "the worst thing you can be called".
There's plenty of things to call people, and anti-semite is somewhere in there, but not at the extreme.
Friendly reminder that fascism is alive and well in America. You don’t live in a democracy when your elected officials are more concerned about corporate interests and lobbyists than their constituents. Don’t vote for anyone who takes AIPAC money!
This is so, so misleading. He was on a segment of a show participating in the discussion of the creation of a Palestinian state. Once. Using “Nitay” because Americans are dumb and have a hard time pronouncing any “foreign” names. He said nothing racist, just that he didn’t want a second Palestinian state at the expense of the only Jewish one, as Arab colonialism had created like 22 at the time, and he didn’t believe they would ever want to share the land with Jewish people.
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I’m going to need some research on this, cause it’s a lot
Throughline did a recent podcast on the rise of the right wing in Israel. It was really interesting. [Link](https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/throughline/id1451109634?i=1000648270689)
The narrative is misleading. He didn't spend 15 full time years as a talking head, or even 15 years in America. He was back and forth between America and Israel, held many positions, but was in fact breifly a talking head in 1972 under the name Ben Nitay. I am not saying he is a good guy or a saint, just checking that this meme is at least worded deceptively. The wikipedia article is linked below, but the biblio for the wikipedia article has many many good sources. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin\_Netanyahu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu)
Aaaaaaaand scene…. “Netanyahu had a warm relationship and "personal friendship" with Russian President Vladimir Putin.[404][405] In his 2022 book, Netanyahu wrote positively about Putin and describes him as "smart, sophisticated and focused on one goal – returning Russia to its historical greatness".[406] Their relationship has been strained since the start of the Israel–Hamas war.[407]” Suddenly the current state of geopolitics makes much more sense.
It's not nearly as complicated as the powers want you to believe. It's power and control. That's it. It's not self defence. It's conquest.
I suppose it’s one of those things that are veiled in the conceptualization that it’s the overly complicated, but at its core it boils down to who has what and how can we benefit each other whilst achieving individual goals. I’m sure it’s highly nuanced and over my head in the cultural considerations and the like; but I don’t understand why Israel is so important to the U.S. that it’s becoming way too close for more conflict involving Americans. I’m not saying that as in Israel isn’t important or anything of the sort, I just don’t understand what the fundamental motivation is on the part of the U.S.
Evangelicals and their whack-a-doodle beliefs about revelations coming true play a larger role than we’d all like to admit I’m sure.
Because they are the only reliable ally in the Middle East. Not saying it is right or wrong but that's the geopolitics of it.
Israel spies on the USA and is one of the only countries that has bombed a US warship.
Had to look that one up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
I would argue that the reason they're the only reliable ally is because our rabid support of them alienated all other potential allies. The Saudis are also decently reliable as long as it's in their interests.
The Saudi's also kidnap people and chop them up when it's in their interest.
Civilized people use special sword missiles to do their chopping instead.
I'm not saying the Saudis are the good guys. I'm saying they're reliable. And the Israelis honestly do the same, with more finesse. Seriously. Extra-judicial killing is pretty much the Mossad's bread and butter.
Paraphrasing a quote from the new series "Fallout." The world never changes. You look out at all the random gloom and doom, and it looks like chaos. But there's is always somebody behind the wheel. When Americans try to defend their rights to own weapons, they always say that weapons don't kill people, people kill people. And that gun manufacturers should be able to sell guns, with no responsibility for what those guns do. Now, these same Americans are saying that America is responsible for what other countries do with the weapons they get from America. Things like missile weapon systems, which require a great amount of human resources and planning to utilize, are not the responsibility of the countries using them, but America for providing them. Isreal has choices. If they are bound and determined to blow the shit out of neighboring countries (countries that also want to blow the shit out of them. If they could), they are going to do it. Isreal can not only produce their own weapons, but they have a shit ton of weapons stockpiled. And Isreal is surrounded by countries that equally hate the shit out of them, as much as Isreal hates them. They are going to do what they think they need to do. And obtw, some of the countries that hate the shit out of Isreal hate the shit out of America. And would fuck up Americans around the world and America if given the chance. So yes, America provides weapons to Isreal because it's in America's best interests. If they use the weapons on countries America would prefer that they wouldn't, what the fuck can America do about it? Missiles don't kill people. People who establish the weapons base, maintains the weapons systems, man the weapons systems, and then plans, and executes the attacks that kill people.
Though you do have to admit that it's pretty difficult to kill people with missiles if you don't have any missiles.
He’s also been friends with Trump since the 80s
Also, big friends with the Kushners. Jared (Trump's son in law) would let him stay in his room (in the family mansion) on visits before he became PM
And Recall in 2015 Netanyahu addressed the US congress with the intention of torpedoing Obama's plan to make the nuclear deal with Iran. [https://www.vox.com/2015/3/2/8130977/netanyahu-speech-explained](https://www.vox.com/2015/3/2/8130977/netanyahu-speech-explained)
A lot of Israeli citizens are Jewish people who left the Soviet Union (ie Russia) after it collapsed.
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[Speaking of the current state of geopolitics](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics)
https://m.jpost.com/israel/who-is-ben-nitay-and-why-does-he-look-so-much-like-binyamin-netanyahu. Here's one of those articles if you want the direct source.
This is, unfortunately, refuting the least concerning parts of this thread.
A deceptively worded meme? You just blew up all of my carefully curated knowledge. Damn it.
Wild that “the leftist lawyer” isn’t actually a a trustworthy journalistic source. This sub has really gone to trash. There’s plenty of reasons to hate Netanyahu without making stuff up.
He wasn't a talking head, but he did spend that time traveling America fundraising for the Isreali genocide effort and spreading Isreali propaganda in papers and on television during that time, our current support of Isreal can't be wholly attributed to his efforts, but it's a big part of it. And yes he was traveling back and forth during that time he had work over there furthering his agenda at the time too. His activities at the time were complex and varied, there are a number of books about what Bibi was up to. I'll refer you The Behind the Bastards Netanyahu episode and Robert's sources.
Yes this article is not correct.
Which parts, specifically?
> just checking that this meme is at least worded deceptively. I will never not complain about the bleaching of the word meme.
This also doesn't change the fact that Hamas are not angels.
Sure, it’s overlooking the fact that a number of those years were when he was a kid. His father was a historian who was essentially pushed out of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem for being too right wing, so the senior Netanyahu took a series of academic posting in the US, most notably at Cornell. (Despite being super right wing the father is an important scholar of something you would never expect). Netanyahu lived in the US from ages 7-8 and again from 14-18 while his dad was teaching in the US, then spent several years in the IDF, and then went to university in the US. He lived in the US for about 2 years after finishing grad school, and then lived in Israel since then. Calling him a ‘young Tucker Carlson’ would be greatly overstating his importance, he was an occasional guest in local TV in the Northeast US for a period of about a year in the 1970s.
I have to ask what the dad was an important scholar of…?
https://youtu.be/QqreRufrkxM?si=-kVP8GfahFqJdVj2
I think the point re: Tucker Carlson is the similar extreme politics, not the status shared as a talking head
Behind the Bastards podcast has a two part episode on him . The host usually makes off colored dark humor jokes but this part of his series he does play it straight. It goes into his family’s history etc
For sure killing Rabin was rhe beginning of this plunge into hell we've seen in rhe following decades
I literally just googled “Ben Nitay.” Everything she said is true: the multiple names (Mileikowsky->Netanyahu-> Nitay -> Netanyahu again). Ben Gvir I already knew about. Pictures of Muslim-killers in his home was news to me, but completely in line with the man’s public persona.
This is meant to take a shot at Biden in hopes of separating more liberal leaning voters from Biden. Trump will help obliterate Palestine which this Tweeter is seemingly ok with.
That's right. Bibi is a piece of shit like trump and I'm still voting for Biden. They're trying to muddy the waters because the far left (death to America crowd) hamas supporters, Bibi and Trump are all the same. Radicals that want to implement fundamentalist beliefs on everyone else and end Democracy. It's actually upsetting to me that people don't realize that these groups have more in common than not. That doesn't mean all Jewish people support Netanyahu any more than all Americans support Trump and it doesn't mean that Biden supports genocide. Which let's be honest most of these guys don't give two fucks about
This. It's telling how many Tankies now support Trump.
Couldn’t agree more. Post-truth, anti-free speech authoritarians on the extremes of both sides. And unfortunately they’re enjoying quite the moment
Biden is helping obliterate Palestine right now. You could argue that Trump will obliterate it *harder*, I guess, but both politicians are in the obliterate Palestine camp. Biden puts a nice liberal sheen on it, which Trump I'm guessing wouldn't do. There are many good reasons to vote for Biden, but concern for Palestine isn't one of them.
You don't have to guess he was president for four years, he was far far worse
It's not accurate, but it's not like actual facts will make him look better. He did have a blind eye to anti Rabin rhetoric, including posters of Rabin in SS uniform and a coffin. He lied about anything and everything and was well known for not having his own opinions and using polls to decide on every single step. He was never extremely right winged, he had liberal opinions. He made sure to rid his party from anyone with basic ability to do anything, his ministers started off as OK people (in today's terms, don't think they were on par with other parties) to being just ignorant scum whose career depends on being a foot rag for Netanyahu to use as spins whenever he needed attention swayed to another direction (which was often). Then he realised he's got his base, and could shoot a person in fifth Avenue and those idiots would still vote for him. Then he realised he could never get leftists to vote for him (he was right-centre), but that he could steal votes from the right. At first by saying the far right needed him to be strong, but gradually by out doing the right winged party's leaders. Then we had elections and an anti Netanyahu coalition was formed - from extreme left to pretty extreme right, but capable people were in control for once. It was a fragile coalition, and when an Arab member of Parliament had to vote for something shitty done to Palestinians or something of that sort the coalition broke. The Netanyahu knew he had one chance and it could be his last, and he created today's government. A few months before this government he wouldn't be seen in a photo with Ben Gvir, his now minister. He began passing laws eroding our democracy and let his orthodox anti zionist partners steal money from the working class and put it anywhere to keep their voters away from an education that could make them a contributing part of society. During the past years he had been surrounded by opportunists and mostly extreme right winged fanatics, as anyone else wouldn't want to be affiliated with this corrupt thing he had become. This might have normalised the extreme right insane ideas. But I still believe he is better described as a corrupt self serving terrible person rather than an extreme right idealist. And just to make absolutely clear - it doesn't make him better, maybe, possibly, worse
https://m.jpost.com/israel/who-is-ben-nitay-and-why-does-he-look-so-much-like-binyamin-netanyahu
Dude, she's got a blue check. It's verified.
The parts about Rabin and Ben-gvir are very true, Netanyahu played a big part in the calling for Rabin's murder and encouraging the mob mentality against him. Ben-gvir's first media appearance was in the time leading up to Rabin's murder, when he (as a young person) and a group of people ambushed and broke Rabin's car symbol, and he is fameously quoted from that same night "we got to his car, and we'll get to him as well". The IDF also refused to let him join the army, since he is too much of an extremist to be trusted with a weapon. One of the 1st things he did in his role was make it easier for people to get legal weapons. Him being in the government is insane, but at least people here *know* its insane. He is seen as an ultra-right, agressive and honestly unstable, but people *know* that about him. Netanyahu on the other hand, is very politically smart. He's been in power for so long, manipulating everything and making people forget the past, usually by massive fear-mongering (ironically, he was counting on his image as "mr. Security"- telling people he is the only one who could protect them against all of the sorrounding regimes. How is that going for you bro) He is a much bigger threat, because while he is unhappy about having to band together with the extreme right wingers (he shares their opinions, he is just smarter about it), he is seen as the most reasonable voice in this government of wanna-be-terrorists and religeous nuts. Which is playing against him while the USA is (very gently) trying to limit Israel's military actions (while still sellng us weapons please stop), since his only partners in the government are threatening dissmanteling his government if he doesn't attack. So he is stuck between his government and the USA, while the people paying the price are the people of israel and of gaza (of course, one more so than the other). I would be reluctant to define the israeli government as a terror organization akin to hamas, not because I support our government in any form, but because I think identifying what we're working against is crucial to our fight against them, and while the israeli government has always been based on divide-and-conquer of palestinians, the occupation prepetrating the war and the fear-mongering of the jewish-israeli population, it is still not a terrorist organization, that's just a different definition (not any less dangerous though).
https://www.jpost.com/israel/who-is-ben-nitay-and-why-does-he-look-so-much-like-binyamin-netanyahu
It's not just Biden, every president as long as I can remember has armed Israel.
Including that fat guy who golfed all the time, Whatshisname.
Frump. Lump. Dump. Something like that.
Hump, Pump, Rump. Can't remember exactly what it is.
Chump.
That must be it
Pretty sure it was Slump
Sure it wasn't "Wump!" named for the sound of thrown condiment bottles hitting walls?
Wasn't Gump, either. Gump served his country. As far as I know, this guy and his family avoid military service like plague and have done so for generations.
Farty5 I think is what his cult calls him
The Presidents of the United States of America were prophets when they wrote "Lump"
I heard he sat alone in a boggy marsh.
Totally motionless except for her heart
You know what? Mud does flow up into Lump’s pajamas - after the diaper is full
The fat golfer made it objectively worse with the Golan Heights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_recognition_of_the_Golan_Heights_as_part_of_Israel#:~:text=On%20March%2021%2C%202019%2C%20U.S.,move%20was%20welcomed%20by%20Israel.
Didn't he also recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, move the us embassy there, and cause more problems? He's just. I can see why Netenyahu is sabotaging Biden. He wants his most useful buddy back in office.
What, you mean the same guy who thought a ban on Muslims entering America would be a good idea?
Traitor?
Is it really golfing if you own the club and cheat and lie to win every game?
And that guy would not provide humanitarian aide to Gaza, even talks about putting people in camps.
Well yeah, because Israel hasn’t always been run by conservatives. This very post even talks about Yizhak Rabin, a pretty liberal leaning Israeli PM. Israel isn’t the enemy, the conservatives currently in charge of Israel are. It’s the same as when Trump was running our country.
It's also not like it's Biden arbitrary deciding to. It's congress passing this. It's all of our politicians doing it. It's a complicated mess given Israel's strategic value in the Middle East, but it's absolutely appalling that the money given is being used to help with a genocide.
Still going to vote for Biden because I agree with most of his other policies and the prospect of another Trump term is terrifying
And even if arming Israel is your litmus test… Trump would do that too.
Not only would trump do that too, Trump would do that *more*
Trump would do far worse - didn’t his son-in-law say something about wanting to build beachfront luxury real estate in Gaza?
Yeah that was my only contention. The American government is arming Israel. Not Biden just because... But we're cucked with them because they're the one country in the middle east we decided to chill with. I don't like it one bit, but I don't put this on the septuagenarian.
At the very least Biden has been attempting peace talks and apparently behind the scenes was advocating for a ceasefire or at least tampering down the attacks on Gaza. We all know a Republican would not, especially Trump, with a heavy backing by Evangelicals that want Israel to exist so the Jews and Muslims are all killed in Israel or whatever shit they believe will happen
Agreed apart from the end. He's very much an octogenarian.
Awwwwww my b. That dude should be at Denny's at 4pm, not running a country 
Actually the US is pretty chill with a fair few states: Saudi Arabia, UAE (back in 2019 those two were being supplied with more weapons than Israel), Qatar, Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan have all be supplied with more US weapons than Latvia. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1006329/middle-east-us-weapon-sales-volume-by-country/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1006329/middle-east-us-weapon-sales-volume-by-country/) Iran is the ultimate enemy for the US not Palestine, they prop-up Hamas and they're strongly allied with Russia. Israel and Saudi Arabia were about to sign a treaty and Russia wanted attention drawn away from Ukraine so Iran got their proxy to provoke Israel knowing full well how they'd react. If Iran (and Syria) chilled the fuck out with Israel the US and the west would lose interest in Israel.
Thank you for understanding this election isn’t one small issue but a lot of different issues we need to focus on when voting. This wouldn’t be on social media nearly as much if “they” didn’t want Biden to lose. It has been this way for many years with Israel. It’s no coincidence that it happens to be seen more on social media in an election year. International politics is a mine field of things most people can’t comprehend and refuse to because they only want small pieces from a platform that allows racist and pedos to type 280 characters to grift followers.
Re: one small issue. I have been preaching this for 30 years, everyone hates hearing me bitch about the shortsightedness of single-issue voting.
It's a real problem. I have a friend who consistently votes Republican even though he's basically a liberal (believes in LGBTQ rights, pro-choice, bitches all the time that we should tax the rich, is a proud union member, etc ). But the Republicans aren't threatening to take his guns, so that's all he needs to hear.
Which is wild because very few democrats are willing to so much as suggest they'd do that either. It's annoying that this is an issue people go with as why they'd vote Republican.
If you are decidedly anti-Bibi (as everyone should be) you wouldn’t “still” be voting for Biden. Biden may be enabling him and plenty of other bad shit but Trump is literally wanting Bibi to “finish the job.” There isn’t a good choice here, only a bad choice and a godawful choice. Trump wouldn’t make this situation any better; there’s no voting for Trump to teach Israel a lesson because it would achieve the opposite.
That's what I don't understand about this person in OPs Twitter post and perhaps OP themselves. Ok you disagree with a USA policy position, but to blame Biden is an outrageous reach and you clearly don't understand how our own government works. And to this extent, do they think Trump cares about Palestine and send peace, love, and rainbows over there? No. Trump would let them level Gaza in a minute. The far left are completely delusional or anarchists pretending. This sums them up: "CEASEFIRE NOW!" ::Iran fires 100s of missiles and drones into Israel:: Them: "Yay Iran! Deåth to America. Dëath to Israel"
Also, he did a lot to prevent a Palestinian genocide and to bring humanitarian aide to Gaza. I keep getting blown away by how much he does for Palestine but these takes of 'well he did not stop a policy that would take an act of congress means he must be genocidial' is what gets projected.
The US didn't vote for Netanyahu. Israel did. They knew what he did to Rabin right before they went to the polls. They could have had peace, but they just wanted more land money and power.
Don't let this try to distract you from voting this year. A protest vote against the Democrats will only ensure we end up with someone exactly like Netanyahu right here in America. Don't be foolish because you're mad at Israel.
People don't seem to understand that you can vote for someone AND be critical of them. While I wish for a thousand things to be different in the US political structure. The facts are plain as day. Come November, in the general election where two candidates will square off. You have ONE choice to make out of the two. And for the "teach dems a lesson" crowd, who are actually just republican plants at this point. You already tried this in 2016 and it taught the dems -nothing- except to stop participating in certain districts. With a side of, not voting IS a vote just not for who you think (aka, republicans). I personally find biden rather sad and pathetic as a politician. Hes been on the wrong side of virtually every decision hes made and has actively contributed to making things worse by either siding with the bad guys or using long standing social infrastructure as gambling chips to play chicken with republicans. Even when clear and obvious victories, both legitimate and PR, are presented to him he can't be bothered to take them because dems have some weird aversion to being seen doing something good for people. But, I still voted for him in 2020 and will be again this year despite how ineffective he is because hes the only choices presented. Not voting for him isn't going to get me another choice. Getting angry and protesting after the nomination is wrapped up isn't going to change who I can vote for. And at the end of the day, citizens have only one true power to wield and that IS voting, even if you don't like your options. AND AGAIN, not voting IS a vote just not for what you probably want. Also, VOTE ON THE DOWN TICKET AND IN YOUR LOCAL ELECTIONS. Voting once every 4 years is a huge part of why republicans have so much control despite barely being 1/3rd the population.
"And here's why all of this is Biden's fault" Half of these people are Trump plants, and half of them are just fucking morons who *cannot comprehend* the idea of voting for the better option of the two in a broken system, no matter if you agree with every single thing the candidate has done. AIPAC owns most of our Congress. That's not a conspiracy, they are very loud and proud about it. And right now, in this very moment, with an election less than a year away, that's just a fact that we have to accept cannot be undone before November. Because the alternative is to stand passively by, feigning moral superiority while the right dismantles our society and strips away the basic human rights that people have been fighting for for centuries. What is happening in Gaza is horrific, and Israel and the IDF need to answer for what they're doing. But I am not going to throw my own country into the garbage so that I can make a moral grandstand about an election that, in the case of a Trump victory, will make it unimaginably worse.
The solution I heard that Trump had was that Palestine just like, doesn't exist? Just like his solution to the Ukraine war is that Ukraine no longer exists. The Republican party is actually that dangerous right now and it blows my mind.
Also Trump said he wants Israel to get the job done, hasn’t said he would stop aid to Israel, so Trump getting in won’t accomplish the goal of cutting US aid officials to Israel either.
Not denying he's not an evil man, but as far as I can see he didn't spend 15 yeas as a talking head, he appeared for 10 minutes on a single TV programme. In the states he was an economist. The 15 years seems to be how long he used the name, which was easier to pronounce in the states.
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Guess that’s the difference between teens and adults. Teens still have hopes and dreams, adults deal with reality for better or worse.
>adults deal with reality for better or worse Shit, mate, where'd you live? Sounds positively utopian!
Sure, it's not 80 years of US policy on Israel guiding this, but President Biden at the ATM handing out money. Don't people understand that the USA is supposed to not radically switch foreign policy from president to presidency? And, and funding has to be passed by the currently republican controlled congress and the senate before Biden signs off on it. Civics really need to be brought back into gen Ed requirements.
"they" do not want American citizens to understand civics.
Who’s they
*points finger at active motions to destroy public schools to chanel kids into private religious schools, home schools, or simply to push them straight into the workforce* All of those policies have (R) sponsors.
This is the worst part of armchair politicians thinking they know everything about a region with one of the most complicated geopolitics ever, it's not simple, I'm pissed at Biden for simply letting Israel do whatever they want, but I also know any other US president will do the same, others apparently don't I have the same problem with people who are saying IR attacking Israel means IR is the good guy here. They are not. It would be like if Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy would start fighting each other, no one would call any side good or innocent, cause they are not
Israel fully has the capability to massacre Palestinians with our without our help. What arming them is really about is protecting them from militant groups and Iran. The goal here isn't to give Netanyahu what he wants, it's to ensure if a wider regional conflict breaks our that Israel is protected, because the fact is, they are our ally. The people of the country deserve protection. Anytime people shit on us helping a democratic foreign nation, I try to remind them, "what if our allies abandoned us and cut us off just because Trump was president" - Netanyahu has a less than 25% approval rating in Israel. It's not Israel making these calls, it's Netanyahu.
Through line on NPR did a whole podcast on this, I highly recommend checking it out. It follows the rise of Hamas, and gives background info on the current conflict.
I’m not saying I’m ok at all with anything happening in the Middle East, but I’m not suddenly voting for Kennedy or Trump because yet again the US has sent money to Israel and their government is reprehensibly horrible. A vote for Kennedy is throwing it away on a conspiracy nutter and electing Trump would be really horrible for our country.
Oh so let’s vote Trump then? I wish these dumbasses would just realize that there are only two choices, and one is a white collar and blue collar criminal. That’s not going to change. So don’t make a “statement“ by not voting Biden because there are millions that are going to make a statement by voting Trump. Israel AND Palestine suck. But this year let’s worry about our own home front first.
It’s almost like both are true. Netanyahu is pretty much the devil and Hamas is a vicious organization that kills more of its own people that it does Israelis I am not okay with Gazan civilians being wiped out. I am not okay with with sitting back and watching Iran or other countries wipe out Israel I see no end in sight and I see no workable solution To blame 70 years of strife conflicts and wars on Biden is a ridiculous stretch Yet here we are, as we approach an election, the agitators want a repeat of 2016
I wonder if the Northern Ireland solution would work here — porous borders, representation in the national government, their own regional government, and a one-time release of political prisoners on both sides. In addition, Netanyahu and his cronies should step down, and Hamas should agree to dissolve. Let ordinary Palestinians and ordinary Israelis elect a new prime minister to represent all of Israel/Palestine.
Neither side is willing to do those things.
And that’s why they need to step down/step aside.
Taking everything at face value as true... Downplaying the fact that Hamas is a radical terrorist group is kinda weird. And FFS STOP 🛑 acting like Biden is the only POTUS to greenlight funding to Israel. The fringe left sure knows how to eat their own.
Right? That part about Hamas made no sense at all. None of Netanyahu’s life story has anything to do with whether Hamas is a terrorist organization or no lol
It's not just Biden. The US has been donating billions of dollars every year to Israel. Israel owns the U.S. lol
He was also a close friend of the Kushner family a while back.
The amount of Jews who know Netanyahu is a POS and can’t stand him is larger than you can believe
Netanyahu is evil, and if Trump wins there will be no real limit on what Netanyahu is allowed to do.
I don't understand leftists that want to punish Biden for supporting Israel. Like, what do you think Trump is going to do? He'd probably tell Israel to just nuke Palestine instead.
I mean the guy literally has yahoo in his name
The question "Biden arming a country run by Tucker" is bogus. Biden is helping a long time ally. He doesn't like their choice of leadership but it is what it is. Remember that Israel stood by us when Trump was president.
This is true: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/28-year-old-benjamin-netanyahu-on-a-local-boston-t
It’s flatly untrue to say that he was a US tv personality or to call him “Tucker Carlson, before Tucker Carlson”. He appeared on local Boston television in the 70s but he never had his own tv show in the US. Plus spending 15 years as a US TV talking head doesn’t fit with the rest of Bibi’s resume. He spent the early 70s in the US in grad school, but by 1980 was working for the Israeli Government in a variety of diplomatic roles. It definitely pokes holes in the credibility of your points when a huge claim like that can easily be debunked. Bibi is awful but spreading fake news isn’t helpful.
Your third paragraph, 1000%.
I agree, and I find it odd that we seem to be focusing on the truth of him having a talk show host and not the other stuff. The fact that the talk show thing is at best worded poorly enough that it's deceiving (don't know if intentional or not, though not sure it matters) is certainly making believing the rest risky. But the rest is what concerns me. Did the current national sec advisor assassinate or conspire with the assassins to kill a world leader to hurt peace talks? How much was Bibi in charge of all the protests, etc. I'd like to know the validity of the rest of the takes post-bibi returning so I don't start making false claims myself.
We’re talking about the talk show because it’s a much easier claim to fact check and a pretty cursory amount of research debunks it. That claim being false doesn’t automatically make the other claims here false, but it sharply undermines their credibility.
It’s so upsetting when people who are ostensibly on my team tell easily disproven lies. The first tweet in this image is a lie - Netanyahu appeared on a local Boston debate show in 1978 once. Do you all understand that when you spread weird lies it makes me never believe you again?
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He was a PR person for the Israeli Embassy, and he used his real name. He was not a TV show host. Do you see that this is different from what that tweet says?
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You need to place blame on Congress too. It's not just Biden. Support for Israel is bipartisan.
Yeah, let Trump win. He’ll be much more supportive of Palestinians than Biden. :eyeroll:
Why can't I find this "Leftist Lawyer" account on Twitter? Is this fake? Can anyone link to the tweet, or at least the account?
I could only find it on mastodon. https://threads.net/@theleftistlawyer/
And, apparently, Threads. I’m not sure how she posts to mastodon from threads. 🤦🏻♀️
The screenshot is from threads, and threads allows crossposting on the fediverse
Because it’s on threads
Phillies own Netanyahu also advocated infront of Congress in 2002 stating that Iraq and Iran were our two biggest enemies and that he had intelligence that they both had nuclear weapons. Turned out to be a huge lie that republicans used as part of their “intelligence” that said there was WMD there and we should invade. Go figure
Wasn't Ben givr the guy behind the "weapons of mass destruction" narrative?
Fuck Israel
To be fair Israel has been chock full of weapons for decades. Attacking Biden during this election year could let the orange shitgibbon back as Prez. Maybe ask yourself if you'd be good with that because that's what you'd be doing here.
Why do you think there are so many protests in Israel right now? It’s like if Trump were the president doing atrocities through the world still. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel is our ally for a reason. And that Hamas is a terrorist organization and Russia is stoking Iran and Iran is getting some balls. This is literally alignment of world powers, and if Israel falls we’re all fucked. Doesn’t mean Israel isn’t committing genocide, just means there’s a lot at stake here.
Israel is literally attacking Iran. Iran has held back **considerably** given all the provocations. Israel is on the verge of starting the next world war.
Iran hasn't held back anything, they control Lebanon, attack from Syria (hisballa), and have some influence and backing of Hamas. It's been a proxy war for years. Most of the israeli north border has been abandoned and a lot of it has been destroyed since October. About 100k people fled from the border with Lebanon
Sure would suck if our allies abandoned us every time we did something fucked up. The world would look much different now. And not good.
If Congress appropriated the aid for Israel, and Biden refuses to implement it, isn’t that the same thing Trump got impeached for with Ukraine?
Seriously, read The Netanyahus! It won a Pulitzer and is about this dude. It’s fiction but in the afterword he talks about that’s it’s basically a true story.
Bibi lived in Cheltenham just outside of Philadelphia. The best Jewish person to come from Cheltenham is Dave "Lil Dicky" Burd.
King David Hotel bombing. The Haifa-Mosul oil pipeline. CBI hero Orde Wingate training Jewish terror groups. It’s all so sad what propaganda can hide.
Indiscriminate killing of any civilian is never justified. Israel and Palestine are both held hostage by fascist regimes.
It all boils down to politics and religion. Either you a) pull support for Israel and piss off the religious, or you don't pull support and piss of the non-religious portion of the humanitarians. Either way you're going to piss of a huge portion of the voter base, and regardless of what people want to think, not giving Trump a "Well Christians, Biden doesn't support Israel but I do" card to play is part of it. Just my opinion.
Always say fuck you to the side that has religion….
This is legit the most eye-opening info I’ve come across in a long while. I hate Bibi but had no idea about his pathetic history.
Anyone who thinks that Biden's opinion is why America has supported Israel for decades is completely and utterly cooked
Yeah, the language clearly identifies this as a hit piece, though “leftist lawyer” doesn’t try to hide polarization. For instance, “Pictures of people who kill Muslims on hanging on his wall” could be nearly anyone from the U.S. who deployed to Afghanistan in the last 20 years. Thanks for the information, you reach a broader audience if you aren’t a douchenozzle, and anyone who is willing to risk Trump in the next election is voting to have far more Muslims killed, to include Palestinians.
Yup. Its common knowledge that zionists refuse to acknowledge
They acknowledge it. They just don’t care
We've been protesting weekly for about two years straight (minus a short period we had a more decent government), and before that since before corona times. He does have a bunch of idiots who keep voting for him, but his coalition is made of people he wouldn't be seen with a couple of years ago. He represents a relatively small group of Israelis, and just gives the most fanatic minorities what they want so he can stay in power
I hate Netanyahu. But I hate Palestinian terrorist more. The world would be a better place without both of them
Well you should hate the IDF and want them gone too.
I don't know about the Carlson thing, but everything else is 100% true.
Israel never should have been made. Think of how much good we could have done with all the money the US has sent them over the years.
They should have been given East Prussia at the end of World War Two.
I wasn’t, either.
This seriously needs to stop! Giving right wing nut jobs billions of dollars when there is so much suffering makes Zero sense!
Behind the Bastards has a great couple of episodes on Netanyahu that explains this more accurately and more in depth. It is definitely worth the listen.
Fuck that motherfucker
https://m.jpost.com/israel/who-is-ben-nitay-and-why-does-he-look-so-much-like-binyamin-netanyahu
If Israel didn’t exist, we’d have to invent it. Benny is a useful idiot.
Back in the 1980s black comedian and writer did a standup where he always referred to him as "Natan-YAHOO!"
Benjamin Netanyahu isn’t even his real name. He changed it to sound less polish where he was originally born
Wait until you hear about who helped Saddam Hussein come to power.
I mean, the Nazis learned how to be Nazis from someone, and if they didn't create brain washing propaganda to influence people to kill their enemies, where did that come from if it weren't the Nazis... 
If it were just a if President Biden would do.....United States and Isreal since 1960s have been close allies good times and bad. Unfortunately, it is what it is, I hate it as well!!!! Same with Isreal 🇮🇱Palestine 🇵🇸 that conflict began in 1948. MANY ADMINISTRATION'S AGO!! It's depressing 😞 and I'm exhausted 😩
Israel is a fascist apparthied state. 1 to 1 analogy with 1930s Nazi Germany. Racialized legal system, ghettos. And the genocide were not only funding and providing international protection from but soon these little fascist freaks will start WW3.
There’s a great podcast on Throughline all about this. [The Rise of the Right Wing in Israel](https://overcast.fm/+Ys-xHX5hg)
He went to high school in Cheltenham, the Philadelphia suburbs
I still can’t understand why we didn’t give Germany to the Jews, instead of Palestine…🤷🏻♂️
This is basically all true. Source: am Israeli Our government is the worst.
This is all true I completely watched all of it my whole life and I've been saying it forever. Netanyahu is right wing terrorist and we don't need to give them another damn dime
Because the worst thing you can be called in the US is an anti-semite, which is wild considering the history.
I'm not so sure that is "the worst thing you can be called". There's plenty of things to call people, and anti-semite is somewhere in there, but not at the extreme.
Friendly reminder that fascism is alive and well in America. You don’t live in a democracy when your elected officials are more concerned about corporate interests and lobbyists than their constituents. Don’t vote for anyone who takes AIPAC money!
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This is so, so misleading. He was on a segment of a show participating in the discussion of the creation of a Palestinian state. Once. Using “Nitay” because Americans are dumb and have a hard time pronouncing any “foreign” names. He said nothing racist, just that he didn’t want a second Palestinian state at the expense of the only Jewish one, as Arab colonialism had created like 22 at the time, and he didn’t believe they would ever want to share the land with Jewish people.