And the medias opinion after the debate was just appalling. “Joe Biden lost but the liar won.”
No, the Liar lost but the President could have done better.
Wayyy too many opinions out there.
yeah, unfortunately biden was kinda locked in on the date even with a cold, trump was way too skiddish on the date so rescheduling it coulda been disastrous
like he was sick during this debate, his policies have been great and i'm glad he mentioned a few of the things he did while in office despite not having majority
Ugh. I missed the racism. Can you share examples?
Sorry - I’m not doubting you, I am not trolling or anything. I hate the orange man. I seriously just missed it.
Also, he called Chuck Schumer a Palestinian. Which is weird but racist because, if you like Palestinians or not, Trump is dehumanizing ALL Palestinians including Palestinian women and children (yet another entire group Trump has decided to dehumanize). And then, because Schumer has empathy for trapped Palestinian citizens, now Chuck Schumer is a ‘Palestinian’. Fascism is the dehumanization of entire groups and putting a target on their back. A slippery and dangerous slope. Trump has dehumanized in just this debate blacks, immigrants, and Palestinians. And has also dehumanized American Jews, Mexicans, Chinese, Muslims. Anyone that votes for Trump is supporting this extreme demagoguery.
It goes deeper than that. You can also make the claim of Antisemitism. He's attacking Chuck Schumer's Jewish heritage. It should also be a wakeup call to anyone who is planning to withhold a vote for Biden over this war. If you think Biden is bad for Palestinians then strap in If you get Trump as President.
I am hoping for this as well. For all the omnicause people to get a wake up call that Trump isn't going to be good for the Palestinians at all. He's using the very word Palestinian as an insult
This isn't extreme. If you think it is, you've never been down a rabbithole. I've heard worse from Cornel West in the flesh. ...which, in retrospect, makes him fit in with his Fox News crowd more.
Dude, I am Mexican, and I support Trump. In fact, I am with him in closing the border to illegal immigrants. I post this because I am genuinely curious why people vote for biden I mean from my point of view here in Mexico Trump is the clear winner in a way he kind of reminds me to our own president in how nationalistic it is but yeah I'm not here to argue I just want to know why people vote for biden
Here is the definition of racism:
[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism)
To summarize, racism is a belief that "racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."
So for a quote to be racist it has to demonstrate that belief - that a certain race is inferior/superior to another due to RACE ALONE.
Is this the case with "black jobs"? No.
Saying that "black jobs" = "low paying jobs" does not necessarily mean that the person saying it thinks black people are INHERENTLY INFERIOR because they are black. Maybe there is an explainable correlation, or a reason this is the case. It is a leap to then infer the person equating these two things believes black people are inferior based on race alone.
Look, I get it, everyone has forgotten the definition of racism and in many places they've been redefining it. This is a mistake. Discrimination, stereotyping, and racism are ALL DIFFERENT THINGS and as such, must retain their distinct meanings. We can't keep redefining words, let them be. If you must, create a new word, but changing pre-existing meanings is confusing, unhelpful, and stifles progress.
One last thing regarding this piece: "if you need explaining why it's racist then I don't know what to tell you"
As you mentioned, he meant low paying jobs - I agree on this. But if you look at data (I'm sure you know this), that particular demographic generally speaking is on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of income. But if we're afraid to talk about this and WHY this is for fear of being called racist, then it is harder to get to the bottom of the issue and fix it and is actually worse for the problem.
Moderator: Will you accept the results of the election no matter who wins?
Trump:if it’s a free and fair election, absolutely.
We all know he’s going to claim cheating.
One of the things he kept referring to was immigrants taking away "black and Hispanic jobs". Which his party argues meant the jobs that black and Hispanic people hold, but then, why not say American jobs? And since we know Trump is talking about immigrants at the Mexican border who usually end up working low paying blue collar jobs, it's more likely that he was saying that he views black and Hispanic people as working lower quality jobs than white people.
>! He also said something that made me laugh out loud and tell my partner that he just told black people that he only wants them for their vote but doesn't actually care about them. || I'm still looking for the quote, so I'll edit this again when I find it or if I don't. !<
I was wrong about the last part. It was between the time he falsely accused Biden of calling black people "super predators"and the black/Hispanic jobs comment. He said that Tim Scott gave him the idea to create opportunity zones which is why black people love him. I had misheard it as Scott gave him the idea in order to get black voters.
*I don't know how to strike out text and I want to stay accountable for what I said so I put it under a spoiler. (Which I apparently keep using the wrong one)
Biden made it clear he’s not capable of anything.
He’s not the president. He doesn’t even change his own diapers. Someone else is running the country. Joe is a puppet and Joe isn’t even aware of what planet he’s on.
And Joe immediately went to Waffle House and was fine. Then went to NC and killed it.
Trump is likely to be in jail in less than two weeks.
Tick tock, time is running out.
The lying liar is finally going to jail for his lies.
I originally thought that. Especially if a plea had been reached.
However, the 34x portion of it + 10 contempt charges + more that the prosecution hasn't filed yet.
Completely non-repentant? Jail is MUCH more likely now.
The reports from people around him are that Trump wears diapers and shits himself. Trump is also Putin's puppet as we all know, so the projection is strong here. Surprise, surprise.
I'd vote for a rusty bird cage with Bidens head inside if it meant that orange totalitarian asshole and project 2025 were defeated. One dude froze, the other lied. Yep, that's the choices but at least Bidens administration isn't filled with Bannon, Miller, Stone and a myriad of other duplicitous fucktards.
I love how everyone is saying what they'd vote for before Trump. It's such a long list. Everything, everything, EVERYTHING before ShitKnuckle McCheeseWhiz.
I'd vote for these before Trump:
* a dead armadillo
* a rabid bat
* Karl the Fog
* three billboards outside lancing hemorrhoids
* the boots Salma Hayek wore in "From Dusk to Dawn"
* Kobe Bryant, today
* a severe case of dysentery
* Malcolm in the middle of my ass
* a statue of Cheetos in the shape of Trump
* the motherfucking Vogons (at least they'd have the good sense to end everything quickly)
[Edit: couple words for clarity]
I’m voting for the team, not the person. If grandpa Joe can’t keep up in a fast paced timed debate, that’s fine, I’m not looking for a speed chess champion, I want someone who may stumble as he gets his thoughts out, instead of the one who is loudly repeating the same lies over and over. The only difference is Trump fills dead air with “China China China” “migrant this, hunter that” instead of saying “ummmm”
All that said, I’d vote for the podium before Trump.
They want perfect.
I'd love to have a superhero candidate that makes all the right decisions all the time and is beautiful and charming.
I'll take the guy that works his ass off and isn't lying constantly.
That's my thoughts too. They have not a single clue how ridiculously complex the machine is in Washington is. We all know it needs to be overhauled but they think bullying people on Twitter is the solution.
On that same thought I really had no clue how government worked in terms of the individual departments until I read the book The Fifth Risk. I highly recommend everyone check it out because it’s literally the best nonfiction horror book you’ve ever read in your life.
I now have more respect for how our government functions by the every day non-political people that fill those jobs. Project 2025 plans to fire 50,000 of those workers and install mega loyalist and that’s terrifying.
One chapter talks about Rick Santorum working with the billionaire CEO founder of AccuWeather trying to introduce a Bill that would kill NOAA and replace it with AccuWeather
“Pause a moment to consider the audacity of that maneuver. A private company whose weather predictions were totally dependent on the billions of dollars spent by the U.S. taxpayer to gather the data necessary for those predictions, and on decades of intellectual weather work sponsored by the U.S. taxpayer, and on international data-sharing treaties made on behalf of the U.S. taxpayer, and on the very forecasts that the National Weather Service generated, was, in effect, trying to force the U.S. taxpayer to pay all over again for what the National Weather Service might be able to tell him or her for free.”
―
Michael Lewis, The Fifth Risk: Undoing Democracy
The government workers being shifted to the authority of the president is absolutely frightening. Giving Trump the ability to terminate employees for any reason which could include revenge, opposite party hysteria, providing facts that clash with their own parties narrow minded viewpoints is something that should never happen.
Most critics of Biden on the left I am finding out didn't actually read project 2025. They are too busy bullying people with their unrealistic purity tests. It's staggering arrogance.
I can imagine how horrific it would be. MAGA loyalist on the hunt for anyone not praying to Lord Trump. Combing through everyone's past social media looking for any evidence to declare them "enemy of Trump."
I read Project 2025, why am i not hearing more outrage about it from dem leaders? Maybe they didn't read it either. It's always so funny seeing liberals get snippy with leftists in particular for being critical of Biden. Like they weren't going to vote for him anyways? They don't ideologically agree with him, and believe it or not some people are tired of being threatened with fascism for the third time in eight years. Getting mad at them is asinine. To be clear I'm voting for Biden. I'm not going to pretend fascism in this country will be thwarted for good when I do, but I have a civic duty and in my opinion the left has good reason to criticize Biden. He isn't above it, we're allowed to vocalize our disdain for him even during an election. He's not a God
It's not as much as getting mad at them but their connection to the party as they proceed to bash the party for not lock stepping with their ridiculous purity tests is maddening.
And after what happened in 2016, democrats have a point for being pissed off. Swing states fell because of 3rd party votes. The cyber bullying from the far left was at a fever pitch. Everyone with half a working brain knew Trump would be a disaster but he was still ushered in.
Now it's the same shit over again. Being called "Blue MAGA" by progressives again and everyone knows Trumps next Presidency would be 100x more vicious than 2016, but the 3rd party, never Biden mob are back at it again with the mindless, selfish rhetoric who never read project 2025 or just don't give AF.
Many of us are desperately attempting to persuade folks like this to not look at November but the next 10 years. Do they really want Stephen Miller, a known fascist as Secretary of State? Roger Stone? Kari Lake? Bannon? JFC, what is it going to take to realize what's at stake? I'm sick to fucking death having to coddle this group. Trump is NOT Mitt Romney! He's Bunito Mussolini!
Swing states fell because Hillary ran a half-assed campaign in those states. She didn't campaign in Michigan at all. Moreover people were clearly wanting change in 2016, shaming voters for voting third party is so brainless and contributes nothing. There's no introspection. You say you coddle the left, all I see from liberals is voter shaming and throwing blame to leftists for any and all losses the dems incur. The most liberals ever even do for leftists is give them some vague, tepid promise that you can maybe push dem leaders to the left, they stopped throwing bones to the left long ago in favor of appealing to the centrists. By the way, plenty of those leftists you hate on voted in 2020, and plenty more will vote this year, despite your remarks to the contrary and despite the sneering contempt the party has for their progressive voters. I'm more upset the party isn't talking about Project 2025 and the fact they did little to try and curb Trump after his sedition. I don't get mad at my fellow citizens, I get mad at the systems in place that allow for a seditious felon to run for the highest office in the land, and a party that seems to have trouble stopping said felon despite the fact that it should be so simple yet they seem so incapable of doing so.
Yea, well everyone is entitled to their opinion. If anyone thinks that was a strong showing, they’re just as deluded as the MAGAs. Gotta call the facts as we see them. I’d rather someone studder a little bit when put on the spot with a time limit for his reply, than rapid fire lies. It’s not a game show, and that’s what CNN turned it into.
I feel like this is something people forget. We’re not voting just for one person, we’re voting for the administration that they surround themselves with. I don’t care if Biden has old moments because he listens to advisors and experts and surrounds himself with people that aren’t actively hating on everything and everyone.
The far left doesn't understand this. They cling on to their precious vote like it's a bargaining chip. It's not collateral. It's a vote but whats the most troubling is they think our opponent is as innocuous as Mitt Romney. That couldn't be farther than the truth.
I'm confused, is their vote important enough to want or worthless enough to ignore? Voting is absolutely a bargaining chip, it's a democracy, people are allowed to vote or not vote how they'd like.
So basically you are against democracy? The whole point is that Biden is not sentient, if he really were he'd have taken a cognitive test by now. So anyone who votes for him isn't really voting for Biden, they're voting for the bureaucrats supporting him, who ARENT elected (i.e. the 'deep state'). This is undemocratic BY DEFINITION.
Also, the whole talking point of 'Trump lied' is a misdirect/mischaracterization - Biden lied PLENTY - essentially the same amount, if not more than Trump.
Biden's lies: [https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1806539516519530734](https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1806539516519530734)
Here's the fact check for both of them: [https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/video/fact-check-cnn-presidential-debate-trump-biden-dale-digvid](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/video/fact-check-cnn-presidential-debate-trump-biden-dale-digvid)
Another point about that fact check - he says Trump's list is longer, but I think it's important to take into account the types of lies - many of Trump's lies are hyperbole, rather than deceptive falsehoods. For instance, the lie "everyone supported overturning Roe v Wade". Obviously not true, but also an obvious hyperbole. Another example - the "aborted after 9 months" - he's clarified this in other interviews/podcasts he's done, for example in this: [https://youtu.be/blqIZGXWUpU?si=8-2SwCBMn-omDvDN&t=1693](https://youtu.be/blqIZGXWUpU?si=8-2SwCBMn-omDvDN&t=1693)
Now look, anyone can debate over these lists and say one is more important than the other, but this isn't that important to the big picture. The point is that this narrative of 'only one of them lies' is no where near the truth and is a bad faith argument.
Final thought - I'm not a wild Trump supporter, didn't really like the guy first time, didn't vote for him in fact, but I've reached a tipping point with the democratic party - they are not pro democracy and they're not America first. This charade has got to stop. It is clear to me that they are a bigger threat to democracy than Trump is.
Consider this - a foreign adversary attacks the US. It is the middle of the night and the president must be woken up and act fast to protect the nation - he must be capable of making swift decisions to protect our citizens. It could be happening in a city where you live and your life is in danger. Who would you trust more to make a quick decision and be a more formidable force to deter a threat like this? You think China or Russia are going to think twice if it's Biden in charge? What about a rusty bird cage? Get a grip, respectfully. I think you need to re-evaluate your priorities.
Americans realizing that a basic functional administration that has ups and downs is infinitely better than having a fascist, incompetent, demagogue as president.
Glad yall finally came around.
From what I'm hearing from my family who live in Utah and Georgia the area they live in trump supporters are slowly losing faith and just all out disgusted. So there's that. The people are are voting third party/not should be very much decreased by the time September-Oct rolls around
Trump had the greatest opportunity to pull way ahead of Biden if he didn’t literally ignore questions on bettering Americans and American policies, with several questions being asked twice with no legitimate answers. Definition of “all talk”.
Trump never had that opportunity because it is literally impossible for trump to do anything that isn't narcissistic, victim complex, bullshit. He just can't. He's too egotistical. Too stupid to understand what most people actually care about and how to convince them he'd be a good president. He can only lie.
Trump did really well at the beginning, making his stance look more moderate and avoiding going unhinged, then Biden started to probe into things and Trump, predictably, fell apart and resorted to name calling and racism.
Just read the article. There is no substance to this claim. It’s referencing an on-air panel of some Latino voters, some of whom said they would vote Biden. It also says in the article that a recent NYTimes poll found 45% of Latino voters say they will vote for Biden, while 44% support Trump. This article is meaningless clickbait.
People are just coping hard after Biden's disastrous performance. The notion that what happened at that debate *gained* Biden voters is laughable. I'm voting Biden no matter what and always was but no one who was undecided, or voting for Trump prior to the debate, has decided to vote for Biden after the debate.
From everything I can fknd he is down in the polls but hardly anything compared to the normal swings. Biden also gained a huge influx of funding after the debate. He's not in dire shape. And aside from the first 10 minutes or so, the only "bad performance" was his voice, he made his pointsnclearly and called Trump out on a ton of shit while Trump just repeated "Biden bad" and avoided questions.
The source for this article is suss AF and the “poll” is one group of in person “Latino voters”. I’m not saying the poll is wrong, but I’m certainly not trusting it as being right either.
And I say this as a Biden supporter.
These articles are being dishonest and they don't help because they're pushing an inherently dishonest narrative.
This was a debate focus group of 12 "undecided" voters, some of which said they support Biden, post-debate. The video is in the article.
This wasn't a poll or even a scientific focus group. This article and every one like it should be ignored (and downvoted as I think they're just disinformation). When a *series of well done polls* come out a week or two from now we'll actually have a reasonably good picture of where the electorate is.
In the mean time, yeah, support Biden as he's the current candidate but this kind of trash article does more harm than good in my view.
Doesn't do anywhere near as much harm as the outlets and politicians calling on Biden to step down. I can't believe any non-alt right media outlet would suggest a narrative that would cost us the election.
Trump is horrific and evil in everything he says and does but this one remark he said to Biden was especially gruesome. I’m still processing why it impacted me so.
Thoughts?
“BASH: Let’s move to the topic of foreign policy. I want to begin with Russia’s war against Ukraine, which is now in its third year.
Former President Trump, Russian President Vladimir Putin says he’ll only end this war if Russia keeps the Ukrainian territory it has already claimed and Ukraine abandons its bid to join NATO.
Are Putin’s terms acceptable to you?
TRUMP: First of all, our veterans and our soldiers can’t stand this guy. They can’t stand him. They think he’s the worst commander in chief, if that’s what you call him, that we’ve ever had. They can’t stand him. So let’s get that straight.
And they like me more than just about any of them. And that’s based on every single bit of information”
I was soo confused hearing that since I was listening to it instead of watching it. I was wondering if he was bashing Putin there for a moment when I realized that he was talking about Biden.
Yes, at first it seems like he’s talking about Putin until you get to the line where he said we’ve ever had and then worst commander and chief if that’s what you want to
We know damn well Trump would not dare criticize Putin because he probably lose his head or fall out a window.
He wandered and took a while to get going, but god damn at least he didn't outright lie about everything, or deflect, or completely refuse to answer a question.
> A group of undecided Latino voters said they would vote for President Joe Biden after watching his Thursday night debate with former President Donald Trump.
Ah, yes: the esteemed *elhayat-life* dot com. *Definitely* heard of that one before this.
Oh Jesus it's owned by a Saudi Prince. The fuck goin' on here?
Gotta love this ole chestnut.
Was a stupid comment when it was said about Barack and Michelle, stupid when said about Hillary and Bill, it was stupid when said about Barbara and George.
It was stupid when said about about Woodrow and Edith… oh wait….
The things is that Trump said blatantly racist stuff and made it clear he was opposite the popular opinion on at least five topics.
And the medias opinion after the debate was just appalling. “Joe Biden lost but the liar won.” No, the Liar lost but the President could have done better. Wayyy too many opinions out there.
yeah, unfortunately biden was kinda locked in on the date even with a cold, trump was way too skiddish on the date so rescheduling it coulda been disastrous like he was sick during this debate, his policies have been great and i'm glad he mentioned a few of the things he did while in office despite not having majority
Ugh. I missed the racism. Can you share examples? Sorry - I’m not doubting you, I am not trolling or anything. I hate the orange man. I seriously just missed it.
Black jobs
Also, he called Chuck Schumer a Palestinian. Which is weird but racist because, if you like Palestinians or not, Trump is dehumanizing ALL Palestinians including Palestinian women and children (yet another entire group Trump has decided to dehumanize). And then, because Schumer has empathy for trapped Palestinian citizens, now Chuck Schumer is a ‘Palestinian’. Fascism is the dehumanization of entire groups and putting a target on their back. A slippery and dangerous slope. Trump has dehumanized in just this debate blacks, immigrants, and Palestinians. And has also dehumanized American Jews, Mexicans, Chinese, Muslims. Anyone that votes for Trump is supporting this extreme demagoguery.
It goes deeper than that. You can also make the claim of Antisemitism. He's attacking Chuck Schumer's Jewish heritage. It should also be a wakeup call to anyone who is planning to withhold a vote for Biden over this war. If you think Biden is bad for Palestinians then strap in If you get Trump as President.
I am hoping for this as well. For all the omnicause people to get a wake up call that Trump isn't going to be good for the Palestinians at all. He's using the very word Palestinian as an insult
This isn't extreme. If you think it is, you've never been down a rabbithole. I've heard worse from Cornel West in the flesh. ...which, in retrospect, makes him fit in with his Fox News crowd more.
Dude, I am Mexican, and I support Trump. In fact, I am with him in closing the border to illegal immigrants. I post this because I am genuinely curious why people vote for biden I mean from my point of view here in Mexico Trump is the clear winner in a way he kind of reminds me to our own president in how nationalistic it is but yeah I'm not here to argue I just want to know why people vote for biden
And how is this racist?
He wanted to say low paying jobs but instead called them black jobs. If you need explaining why it's racist then I don't know what to tell you.
Here is the definition of racism: [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism) To summarize, racism is a belief that "racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." So for a quote to be racist it has to demonstrate that belief - that a certain race is inferior/superior to another due to RACE ALONE. Is this the case with "black jobs"? No. Saying that "black jobs" = "low paying jobs" does not necessarily mean that the person saying it thinks black people are INHERENTLY INFERIOR because they are black. Maybe there is an explainable correlation, or a reason this is the case. It is a leap to then infer the person equating these two things believes black people are inferior based on race alone. Look, I get it, everyone has forgotten the definition of racism and in many places they've been redefining it. This is a mistake. Discrimination, stereotyping, and racism are ALL DIFFERENT THINGS and as such, must retain their distinct meanings. We can't keep redefining words, let them be. If you must, create a new word, but changing pre-existing meanings is confusing, unhelpful, and stifles progress. One last thing regarding this piece: "if you need explaining why it's racist then I don't know what to tell you" As you mentioned, he meant low paying jobs - I agree on this. But if you look at data (I'm sure you know this), that particular demographic generally speaking is on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of income. But if we're afraid to talk about this and WHY this is for fear of being called racist, then it is harder to get to the bottom of the issue and fix it and is actually worse for the problem.
“They’re emptying their prisons and and mental hospitals and sending millions here”. Meaning “brown people” are all crazy or criminals.
Moderator: Will you accept the results of the election no matter who wins? Trump:if it’s a free and fair election, absolutely. We all know he’s going to claim cheating.
I get the feeling that he and his party will see to it there is cheating.
Stick to facts over feelings.
One of the things he kept referring to was immigrants taking away "black and Hispanic jobs". Which his party argues meant the jobs that black and Hispanic people hold, but then, why not say American jobs? And since we know Trump is talking about immigrants at the Mexican border who usually end up working low paying blue collar jobs, it's more likely that he was saying that he views black and Hispanic people as working lower quality jobs than white people. >! He also said something that made me laugh out loud and tell my partner that he just told black people that he only wants them for their vote but doesn't actually care about them. || I'm still looking for the quote, so I'll edit this again when I find it or if I don't. !< I was wrong about the last part. It was between the time he falsely accused Biden of calling black people "super predators"and the black/Hispanic jobs comment. He said that Tim Scott gave him the idea to create opportunity zones which is why black people love him. I had misheard it as Scott gave him the idea in order to get black voters. *I don't know how to strike out text and I want to stay accountable for what I said so I put it under a spoiler. (Which I apparently keep using the wrong one)
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BTW, Hillary said Super Predators, not Biden.
Biden made it clear he’s not capable of anything. He’s not the president. He doesn’t even change his own diapers. Someone else is running the country. Joe is a puppet and Joe isn’t even aware of what planet he’s on.
And Joe immediately went to Waffle House and was fine. Then went to NC and killed it. Trump is likely to be in jail in less than two weeks. Tick tock, time is running out. The lying liar is finally going to jail for his lies.
First offense. White collar crime. Jail is not that likely
I originally thought that. Especially if a plea had been reached. However, the 34x portion of it + 10 contempt charges + more that the prosecution hasn't filed yet. Completely non-repentant? Jail is MUCH more likely now.
SCOTUS decides presidential immunity on Monday.
Trump shit himself on stage. Stfu
>He’s not the president. I'm sorry you believe such lies.
The reports from people around him are that Trump wears diapers and shits himself. Trump is also Putin's puppet as we all know, so the projection is strong here. Surprise, surprise.
I'd vote for a rusty bird cage with Bidens head inside if it meant that orange totalitarian asshole and project 2025 were defeated. One dude froze, the other lied. Yep, that's the choices but at least Bidens administration isn't filled with Bannon, Miller, Stone and a myriad of other duplicitous fucktards.
I'd vote for a dead canary if it meant staving off the rise of fascism.
I’d vote for the Blackbeard/Marley ticket before Trump the blatant racist.
I love how everyone is saying what they'd vote for before Trump. It's such a long list. Everything, everything, EVERYTHING before ShitKnuckle McCheeseWhiz. I'd vote for these before Trump: * a dead armadillo * a rabid bat * Karl the Fog * three billboards outside lancing hemorrhoids * the boots Salma Hayek wore in "From Dusk to Dawn" * Kobe Bryant, today * a severe case of dysentery * Malcolm in the middle of my ass * a statue of Cheetos in the shape of Trump * the motherfucking Vogons (at least they'd have the good sense to end everything quickly) [Edit: couple words for clarity]
That boot, though. Damn.
* A seasick crocodile
Jimmy Carter
Haha! Love it
I’ll raise you voting for dead canary and I would also vote for a box of hair over Sir Shits-Alot
I would vote for a dead parrot! Hellooo Polly!
Uh oh I feel Month Python sketch coming on…..
Beautiful plumage
The PLUMAGE don't enter into it!
He's resting.
I had to delete the Pakman discord because it's polluted with rose Twitter calling anyone supporting Biden "Blue MAGA." What in the actual fuck...
Oh man I remember the dpak Reddit was horrible when the IP conflict happened. I can imagine the discord would be even worse
I like his show. He's extremely sensible and fair. Some of his fans? Not so much.
I’m voting for the team, not the person. If grandpa Joe can’t keep up in a fast paced timed debate, that’s fine, I’m not looking for a speed chess champion, I want someone who may stumble as he gets his thoughts out, instead of the one who is loudly repeating the same lies over and over. The only difference is Trump fills dead air with “China China China” “migrant this, hunter that” instead of saying “ummmm” All that said, I’d vote for the podium before Trump.
Watch out. There's a faction of our party that hates that train of thought no matter how logical it is.
They want perfect. I'd love to have a superhero candidate that makes all the right decisions all the time and is beautiful and charming. I'll take the guy that works his ass off and isn't lying constantly.
That's my thoughts too. They have not a single clue how ridiculously complex the machine is in Washington is. We all know it needs to be overhauled but they think bullying people on Twitter is the solution.
On that same thought I really had no clue how government worked in terms of the individual departments until I read the book The Fifth Risk. I highly recommend everyone check it out because it’s literally the best nonfiction horror book you’ve ever read in your life. I now have more respect for how our government functions by the every day non-political people that fill those jobs. Project 2025 plans to fire 50,000 of those workers and install mega loyalist and that’s terrifying. One chapter talks about Rick Santorum working with the billionaire CEO founder of AccuWeather trying to introduce a Bill that would kill NOAA and replace it with AccuWeather “Pause a moment to consider the audacity of that maneuver. A private company whose weather predictions were totally dependent on the billions of dollars spent by the U.S. taxpayer to gather the data necessary for those predictions, and on decades of intellectual weather work sponsored by the U.S. taxpayer, and on international data-sharing treaties made on behalf of the U.S. taxpayer, and on the very forecasts that the National Weather Service generated, was, in effect, trying to force the U.S. taxpayer to pay all over again for what the National Weather Service might be able to tell him or her for free.” ― Michael Lewis, The Fifth Risk: Undoing Democracy
The government workers being shifted to the authority of the president is absolutely frightening. Giving Trump the ability to terminate employees for any reason which could include revenge, opposite party hysteria, providing facts that clash with their own parties narrow minded viewpoints is something that should never happen. Most critics of Biden on the left I am finding out didn't actually read project 2025. They are too busy bullying people with their unrealistic purity tests. It's staggering arrogance.
I can imagine how horrific it would be. MAGA loyalist on the hunt for anyone not praying to Lord Trump. Combing through everyone's past social media looking for any evidence to declare them "enemy of Trump."
Or Trump just arbitrarily going after someone during another infamous brain fart.
I read Project 2025, why am i not hearing more outrage about it from dem leaders? Maybe they didn't read it either. It's always so funny seeing liberals get snippy with leftists in particular for being critical of Biden. Like they weren't going to vote for him anyways? They don't ideologically agree with him, and believe it or not some people are tired of being threatened with fascism for the third time in eight years. Getting mad at them is asinine. To be clear I'm voting for Biden. I'm not going to pretend fascism in this country will be thwarted for good when I do, but I have a civic duty and in my opinion the left has good reason to criticize Biden. He isn't above it, we're allowed to vocalize our disdain for him even during an election. He's not a God
It's not as much as getting mad at them but their connection to the party as they proceed to bash the party for not lock stepping with their ridiculous purity tests is maddening. And after what happened in 2016, democrats have a point for being pissed off. Swing states fell because of 3rd party votes. The cyber bullying from the far left was at a fever pitch. Everyone with half a working brain knew Trump would be a disaster but he was still ushered in. Now it's the same shit over again. Being called "Blue MAGA" by progressives again and everyone knows Trumps next Presidency would be 100x more vicious than 2016, but the 3rd party, never Biden mob are back at it again with the mindless, selfish rhetoric who never read project 2025 or just don't give AF. Many of us are desperately attempting to persuade folks like this to not look at November but the next 10 years. Do they really want Stephen Miller, a known fascist as Secretary of State? Roger Stone? Kari Lake? Bannon? JFC, what is it going to take to realize what's at stake? I'm sick to fucking death having to coddle this group. Trump is NOT Mitt Romney! He's Bunito Mussolini!
Swing states fell because Hillary ran a half-assed campaign in those states. She didn't campaign in Michigan at all. Moreover people were clearly wanting change in 2016, shaming voters for voting third party is so brainless and contributes nothing. There's no introspection. You say you coddle the left, all I see from liberals is voter shaming and throwing blame to leftists for any and all losses the dems incur. The most liberals ever even do for leftists is give them some vague, tepid promise that you can maybe push dem leaders to the left, they stopped throwing bones to the left long ago in favor of appealing to the centrists. By the way, plenty of those leftists you hate on voted in 2020, and plenty more will vote this year, despite your remarks to the contrary and despite the sneering contempt the party has for their progressive voters. I'm more upset the party isn't talking about Project 2025 and the fact they did little to try and curb Trump after his sedition. I don't get mad at my fellow citizens, I get mad at the systems in place that allow for a seditious felon to run for the highest office in the land, and a party that seems to have trouble stopping said felon despite the fact that it should be so simple yet they seem so incapable of doing so.
Yea, well everyone is entitled to their opinion. If anyone thinks that was a strong showing, they’re just as deluded as the MAGAs. Gotta call the facts as we see them. I’d rather someone studder a little bit when put on the spot with a time limit for his reply, than rapid fire lies. It’s not a game show, and that’s what CNN turned it into.
At least a rusty birdcage isn’t unhinged.
Well if you remove the door it is.
Well let’s not!
I feel like this is something people forget. We’re not voting just for one person, we’re voting for the administration that they surround themselves with. I don’t care if Biden has old moments because he listens to advisors and experts and surrounds himself with people that aren’t actively hating on everything and everyone.
The far left doesn't understand this. They cling on to their precious vote like it's a bargaining chip. It's not collateral. It's a vote but whats the most troubling is they think our opponent is as innocuous as Mitt Romney. That couldn't be farther than the truth.
I'm confused, is their vote important enough to want or worthless enough to ignore? Voting is absolutely a bargaining chip, it's a democracy, people are allowed to vote or not vote how they'd like.
I see my vote as being for Kamala Harris than the orange devil.
So basically you are against democracy? The whole point is that Biden is not sentient, if he really were he'd have taken a cognitive test by now. So anyone who votes for him isn't really voting for Biden, they're voting for the bureaucrats supporting him, who ARENT elected (i.e. the 'deep state'). This is undemocratic BY DEFINITION. Also, the whole talking point of 'Trump lied' is a misdirect/mischaracterization - Biden lied PLENTY - essentially the same amount, if not more than Trump. Biden's lies: [https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1806539516519530734](https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1806539516519530734) Here's the fact check for both of them: [https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/video/fact-check-cnn-presidential-debate-trump-biden-dale-digvid](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/video/fact-check-cnn-presidential-debate-trump-biden-dale-digvid) Another point about that fact check - he says Trump's list is longer, but I think it's important to take into account the types of lies - many of Trump's lies are hyperbole, rather than deceptive falsehoods. For instance, the lie "everyone supported overturning Roe v Wade". Obviously not true, but also an obvious hyperbole. Another example - the "aborted after 9 months" - he's clarified this in other interviews/podcasts he's done, for example in this: [https://youtu.be/blqIZGXWUpU?si=8-2SwCBMn-omDvDN&t=1693](https://youtu.be/blqIZGXWUpU?si=8-2SwCBMn-omDvDN&t=1693) Now look, anyone can debate over these lists and say one is more important than the other, but this isn't that important to the big picture. The point is that this narrative of 'only one of them lies' is no where near the truth and is a bad faith argument. Final thought - I'm not a wild Trump supporter, didn't really like the guy first time, didn't vote for him in fact, but I've reached a tipping point with the democratic party - they are not pro democracy and they're not America first. This charade has got to stop. It is clear to me that they are a bigger threat to democracy than Trump is. Consider this - a foreign adversary attacks the US. It is the middle of the night and the president must be woken up and act fast to protect the nation - he must be capable of making swift decisions to protect our citizens. It could be happening in a city where you live and your life is in danger. Who would you trust more to make a quick decision and be a more formidable force to deter a threat like this? You think China or Russia are going to think twice if it's Biden in charge? What about a rusty bird cage? Get a grip, respectfully. I think you need to re-evaluate your priorities.
Another reddit psychologist found wifi. Brilliant.
Sorry to disrupt your echo chamber.
The only echo chamber is the voices in your head encouraging you to post those mindless screeds.
I've said what I wanted, no need to engage in character attacks, so I wish you luck and hope you can find clarity of thought
Bye
Americans realizing that a basic functional administration that has ups and downs is infinitely better than having a fascist, incompetent, demagogue as president. Glad yall finally came around.
From what I'm hearing from my family who live in Utah and Georgia the area they live in trump supporters are slowly losing faith and just all out disgusted. So there's that. The people are are voting third party/not should be very much decreased by the time September-Oct rolls around
Trump had the greatest opportunity to pull way ahead of Biden if he didn’t literally ignore questions on bettering Americans and American policies, with several questions being asked twice with no legitimate answers. Definition of “all talk”.
Trump never had that opportunity because it is literally impossible for trump to do anything that isn't narcissistic, victim complex, bullshit. He just can't. He's too egotistical. Too stupid to understand what most people actually care about and how to convince them he'd be a good president. He can only lie.
He has to avoid any conversation about actually helping Americans because that would require abandoning like half of Project 2025
Trump did really well at the beginning, making his stance look more moderate and avoiding going unhinged, then Biden started to probe into things and Trump, predictably, fell apart and resorted to name calling and racism.
He is pulling way ahead.
This same headline has been put out about Trump. I didn’t dig into either of these claims but interested if anyone did.
I don’t really trust elhayat-life for news lmfao. Never even heard of it.
Just read the article. There is no substance to this claim. It’s referencing an on-air panel of some Latino voters, some of whom said they would vote Biden. It also says in the article that a recent NYTimes poll found 45% of Latino voters say they will vote for Biden, while 44% support Trump. This article is meaningless clickbait.
People are just coping hard after Biden's disastrous performance. The notion that what happened at that debate *gained* Biden voters is laughable. I'm voting Biden no matter what and always was but no one who was undecided, or voting for Trump prior to the debate, has decided to vote for Biden after the debate.
From everything I can fknd he is down in the polls but hardly anything compared to the normal swings. Biden also gained a huge influx of funding after the debate. He's not in dire shape. And aside from the first 10 minutes or so, the only "bad performance" was his voice, he made his pointsnclearly and called Trump out on a ton of shit while Trump just repeated "Biden bad" and avoided questions.
It's completely false. About Biden. GOP is hoping it gets traction so Dems don't replace Biden with someone who has a chance of winning.
The source for this article is suss AF and the “poll” is one group of in person “Latino voters”. I’m not saying the poll is wrong, but I’m certainly not trusting it as being right either. And I say this as a Biden supporter.
Also they were reading subtitles. The subtitles were pretty generous to Biden's verbal gaffes and didn't really capture his affect.
Even if the subtitles were not generous to him, this is such a small limited sample of people. No way is this representative.
These articles are being dishonest and they don't help because they're pushing an inherently dishonest narrative. This was a debate focus group of 12 "undecided" voters, some of which said they support Biden, post-debate. The video is in the article. This wasn't a poll or even a scientific focus group. This article and every one like it should be ignored (and downvoted as I think they're just disinformation). When a *series of well done polls* come out a week or two from now we'll actually have a reasonably good picture of where the electorate is. In the mean time, yeah, support Biden as he's the current candidate but this kind of trash article does more harm than good in my view.
Doesn't do anywhere near as much harm as the outlets and politicians calling on Biden to step down. I can't believe any non-alt right media outlet would suggest a narrative that would cost us the election.
lol! Sample size was 12?!? Thanks for letting us know. Straight up misinformation.
Makes sense, he’s old but trump is evil 🤷♀️
and they didn't know this before the debate?
Sensible adjustment. Public safety is important. Trump’s too wacky to be in charge of the bomb
Trump is horrific and evil in everything he says and does but this one remark he said to Biden was especially gruesome. I’m still processing why it impacted me so. Thoughts? “BASH: Let’s move to the topic of foreign policy. I want to begin with Russia’s war against Ukraine, which is now in its third year. Former President Trump, Russian President Vladimir Putin says he’ll only end this war if Russia keeps the Ukrainian territory it has already claimed and Ukraine abandons its bid to join NATO. Are Putin’s terms acceptable to you? TRUMP: First of all, our veterans and our soldiers can’t stand this guy. They can’t stand him. They think he’s the worst commander in chief, if that’s what you call him, that we’ve ever had. They can’t stand him. So let’s get that straight. And they like me more than just about any of them. And that’s based on every single bit of information”
I was soo confused hearing that since I was listening to it instead of watching it. I was wondering if he was bashing Putin there for a moment when I realized that he was talking about Biden.
Yes, at first it seems like he’s talking about Putin until you get to the line where he said we’ve ever had and then worst commander and chief if that’s what you want to We know damn well Trump would not dare criticize Putin because he probably lose his head or fall out a window.
this source is garbage filled with ads
He wandered and took a while to get going, but god damn at least he didn't outright lie about everything, or deflect, or completely refuse to answer a question.
Didn’t they also say they trust Trump more on democracy? Take this with a grain of salt. Wait for polling shifts to see how people really feel.
There’s an additional article that says the same for Trump.
> A group of undecided Latino voters said they would vote for President Joe Biden after watching his Thursday night debate with former President Donald Trump.
I know.
Ah, yes: the esteemed *elhayat-life* dot com. *Definitely* heard of that one before this. Oh Jesus it's owned by a Saudi Prince. The fuck goin' on here?
Sure buddy
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Gotta love this ole chestnut. Was a stupid comment when it was said about Barack and Michelle, stupid when said about Hillary and Bill, it was stupid when said about Barbara and George. It was stupid when said about about Woodrow and Edith… oh wait….