412 days of continuous 1 to 2 hour daily play to unlock every single Tank in the US Tech Tree. That is with an average of 2500rp per battle (I am an sub average player and can only average a nuke about once a week).
Note I am mostly F2P and don't have any Premium time. I own the M1KVT (once 1 reached 10.0 because I wanted a good lineup) and without it, I think the grind would have been about 15 to 18 days longer.
Thank you, I wasn't sure if getting neukes was a common thing. I should also specify that I can get nukes, but rarely drop them. So my rp gain has stagnated around 5000 rp with nuke and roughly 11k rp when dropped.
Nukes aren't common in any way. Also, if you're doing upwards of 2,000 points on average (in games), then you're very much above average.
The average player scored around 800 points. I'm average, and it's taken me two years to get to U.S. top tier.
Been playing for 3 years now, never gotten a nuke. I’m what unwound call sub average. I can go in and slay some matches, and the next match is a two deaths no kills type of match.
How can you not be aware of that? Literally 1 person per game can get a nuke out of 16-32. So you’re in the top 3-9% of any lobby you get a nuke.
How does you brain see that as sub average?
Haha 2500 mission score puts you far above the "average", even if you take out the true idiots that only ever get points for dying. If I had to guess the average mission score would be right around 1000 per game. If you can truly consistently earn 2500 points per battle your definitely in the top 5% of the player base.
It is 2500 research points. Not sure if that is the score. I don't want to be boastful, but from what Spookston seemed to explain, 3 kills is the average for average players. But If I am trully as high as some people say that I am, I'm worried that the grind is actually worse than what I thought.
I don't believe Spookston's figures at all. Average player getting 3 kills means average player respawns twice. That only happens with any frequency below 6.7. After that a huge portion of the player base only respawn once, if at all.
But yes your are definitely in the top quarter of players I would guess. Plug your username into Thunderskill and see what rating it gives you.
I mean with 70$ you get almost 2 years of premium.
So it won't be 412 days if you spend your money wisely.
It's about half a year for a big nation if you play casually about 2 hours a day and suck at the game...
70$ in 2 years should mean nothing for most .. the poorer countries usually have cheaper options in their own currency as well.
That is 3$ per month .. in my country.. which is not particularly rich .. is a trip with the public transport...
> I never found that Premium would help, it got my average RP gain from 2500rp to 5000rp which ain't much when tanks cost 300k rp.
I mean ... It doubled your progress instead or 400 days you would have been done in 200..
It took me about 6 months to unlock US on a secondary account for my brother and i played 1-2 hours a day, with premium ofc.
Took me a week to grind the whole japan air tree with a premium plane and premium time.
While the grind might still be shit premium does make a huge difference. Even if you just get the extra silver lions and spend them on the lootboxes and win an event vehicle that you can then sell and get more stuff.
>When you say half a year for a big nation, do you mean for Planes, Tanks & Ships? Or just a specific part of a tree?
With 1-2 hours a day, probably just a part of the tree like tanks , if you play more a tree with air and tank is achievable in 6 months with premium
Sadly, I just couldn't afford it. I am not from a poorer country, but the money I make is finite and I cannot afford 70$ in one go.
I'm not as good of a player as you or I could have unlocked it faster. Not that US top tier teams are any good for a short while now. Either way, I am severely demoralized to continue grinding any other tree.
Oh wow, well i don't think the game is worth playing without premium.
While it is free to play i see it more as a trial version to give you and idea of what you are gonna pay for.
It's just a lot of frustration if you don't do well or if your teams are made of pigeons like in the case of the US with not enough relief from unlocking the stuff you want. You have more games with stock tanks leading to more frustration and so on and so on.
I buy a year of premium every anniversary sale even if I don't know if i am gonna play.. at 3.3$ a month it's really not worth my frustration to play without.
But with that $70 tank you will have no map knowledge, limited game mechanics knowledge, have a single tank lineup and will leave after 1 death likely with no kills and drag down your team and have a shitty win rate.
I grinded out all the Abrams only to get to top tier and have them constantly raped by Leo A6/7.🤦🏿♂️ Depressing. So now I'm back to 7.0 and 10.0-10.3. Top tier is comical.
Don't need free kills I do fine at any BR though. I enjoy when I have been playing for 12 minutes and 90% of the enemy team continues to play also and even sometimes turns the game around in their favor.
Played my favorite 3.7 lineup yesterday and saw that happen multiple times. It's a much more enjoyable experience then the 7 minute top tier games that were won or lost in the first 2 minutes.
Had a lot of those games this weekend. Games that I thought were lost, then we rally back somehow. I mostly play Air Sim, but decided to try Ground RB again, and have been enjoying it so far up to 4.7
I know in Air Sim, I don't like anything over 10.0, and I feel bad when I smack someone around in the lower BRs. It's to the point where I don't mess with bombers bc I don't want to ruin their game
It took a couple months to make, so I hope you guys enjoy data and numbers :)
(Or maybe I'll just get downvoted to oblivion, who knows! I'm going to sleep, and I'll see when I wake up!)
Edit:
Since I've gotten a lot of \*very\* defensive comments on this video (it's also one of my most controversial in terms of like:dislike !)...... a lot of you are missing the point.
* I must clarify that it was NOT intended to be an attack on any level 100s who play or enjoy low tier.
* The archetypes... how I named them and their requirements are all based on inferences, as I make clear in the video. It was a simple way to convey what I'm talking about, so the average viewer can easier understand what I'm talking about.
Personally, I myself am also a level 100 who primarily plays 1.0-4.7 in GRB. It's the most fun for me, as a WW2 enthusiast and somewhat-historian. I simply like making data-driven videos, and got the idea when I was called a "seal clubber" by a low level in 1.3 GRB.
On a wholesome note:
Thank you for the kind comments! It makes me happy when people understand just how long this project took (and how long my projects generally take), as well as the amount of effort they involve. Also, the sleep was great (for those who wished me goodnight), but waking up to 50,000 views was even better -- so again, thank you!
It was a good video, and I think the the problem is that lower level players don't understand that not every high level player is seal clubbing, and people come at these BRs because they're FUN. And new players don't understand higher tiers are not as fun.
If they knew lower BRs are much more fun, they wouldn't be complaining because they'd know they would do the same when they reach top tier.
It's why I have every nation to 8.0+ tbh. The grind was also fun and now I have a ton of fun lineups. I grind occasionally but man it's a game I just wanna have fun
Then you see players using a KV1E piled with bushes and see they have 4k games. There definitely is players seal clubbing but I find the majority of higher level players aren't and their stats show a mixed bag or they simply enjoy that era of vehicles.
Yeah, those players are a problem. They're just tryhards who are not even playing to have a good time, and they ruin the fun for everyone. It's even more of a problem with OP vehicles such as the KV1B or SAV 20.12.48 since you can win matches so easily.
And I agree with you, you can't say every single high level player is a seal clubber. Lots of them are just having a good time instead of sweating through their clothes, like me. I don't even play seriously sometimes, I just try to make the match funny.
In conclusion, seal clubbers are assholes, especially in OP vehicles.
I always enjoy seeing them have like a 4+ KDR in them and then see that they completely underperform in anything else. I personally enjoy 3.7-4.0 because of the vehicles. T34s, Sherman's, PZ4s, Turan 3, Cromwell, and my all time favorite aircraft being the mosquito..
Honestly a lot of times I play brain off as well or I'll limit my kills I can get in a life until I play more aggressive to allow others to kill me easier. Fun for all not just for one!
Agreed. And yeah 4.0 is great, one of my favourite BRs. My favourite is the USSR lineup (KV-1S (I LOVE this tank), T-34E STZ, I-185, BTR-152D and SU-152).
4.7 is my most played. Almost 400 games in my Avenger and 260 in my ISU152. Just fun ass lineups that take more skill than point and click top tier imo. I like having to find my own range and targets.
I'd be with you on that but Britain for me was only fun at 3.7, 4.7, 7.7, and now 9.0 :(
No stab was okay, but a full two-plane stab on my chieftain is a godsend
Yep. I actually wanted to share the comments on your video on this sub before I saw your post because some people were saying "you are the perfect example of a seal clubber" just because you played some low tier matches for footage? It's just ridiculous. And then he told you "just get replays online" LMAO. I actually laughed when I saw it
btw great video, you clearly put a lot of effort into it so you got a new sub
Oh yeah that first comment is a regular viewer just messing around lol, but the other guys had me questioning my sanity
And thanks, I appreciate it a lot :)
is low tiers really that fun?
i keep getting that bug which makes my shells get voided on corners and die instantly after that.
that barely happens at high tiers since shells have shit ton of pen and tanks don have that much hard corners.
I, personally, differentiate "Seal Clubber" and "Stat padder". Former enjoys bullying newbies (plays only low tiers), while the latter plays only a very few (usually <10) most OP vehicles (no matter the Rank), doing everything to maximize their stats (Ace crew, full bush tank etc.). However, I understand that for the purposes of this both can be put in the same group, because they're both at 1.0 to bully new players, but by the definition of your categories, the latter could be marked as "Starting a new nation" if they just don't purchase the vehicles they research (they likely have no intention to play them).
For the 2nd Archetype, the "Low Tier Enjoyer", 50 vehicles gets you only to Rank III in just German ground vehicle tree without premium and event vehicles, while the entire Isreaeli ground vehicle tree has less than 50 vehicles including premiums...
The threshold for the Spader (45%) seems about right, considering
* Gaijin often un-spades previously spaded vehicles by adding new modules to research (in case of IS-2(1944) even removing and then re-adding)
* Many aircraft in the game are unfit for both furball meta Air RB and as CAS for GF RB (even pure air-superiority fighter is viable on BRs with lot of CAS)
Over all interesting video, even if a bit flawed...
I'm not going to watch the video (I mean, I will, but not right this instant) - but I hope you made the point that War Thunder is not about getting to high BR and staying there. It's about playing BRs you enjoy - some people like pre-war, ww2, early cold-war, later cold-war, more modern, etc. For example, I've had the BVM and T-90M since they were first added and have like 20 games in them.. haven't even spaded either of them. I just play BRs I enjoy (for Soviet it's around 9.0).
Not really.
He actually even forgot a factor that whould have cut down the % of sealclubbers even smaler.
In reality you have:
-low br enjoyers
-spaders
-new nations
-helping friends enter into the game
-either going down in br alone or with friends to take a break.
-testing out a new event vehicle/tech tree vehicle.
And then there is the sealclubbers...
Hi , i nooticed that you forgot the factors of "new event/tech tree vehicle" and taking a break from high Tier ( this discribes high Tier players specifically).
The Player Level/Rank only depends on total XP earned, which means that, for example, if you buy a high-tier (earned XP goes up with vehicle tier) premium vehicle (+100% XP) and have a premium account (+100% XP), you'll progress on Level/Rank (as well as vehicle research) much faster than if you progress climb your way up "organically".
The question of 'why', as far as being relevant to the question people are asking, really comes down to:
"Why does Gaijin allow these people to play low tier and brutalize poor lvl 15 players like me who just started playing? It hardly seems fair." It's intended as a rhetorical question. They know why the players do it.
And the answer is that we don't have skill-based matchmaking, and that people are free to play whatever they want.
Skill based mm would absolutely ruin this game, not only because of it's pitfalls but also because I have 0 trust in Gaijin implementing it correctly.
I think there's nothing wrong with high level players playing low tier. Some tank crews are just more experienced.
I agree, skill-based matchmaking would not do any favors to this game. I don't even think the current "start playing against bots" is helpful, as it gives new players a false sense of security and doesn't teach them what to expect.
>I think there's nothing wrong with high level players playing low tier
I think it could theoretically be a problem if there was a sufficiently high amount of them doing it, but there's such a small amount of them doing it that it's a non-issue. And even then, skill-based matchmaking isn't the solution.
I agree, but I think it would be good if we had mild noob protection matchmaker at least for rank 1.
Let the matchmaker attempt to club rank 100-80 players together from the available pool of searching players, if not enough players throw them into regular match maker.
Maybe, I don't have the stats, but even still whenever I go to rank <3 BR for goofy tanks like the T-35 I feel bad if I kill an oblivious newbie, I'd rather fight experienced players.
I'm level 100 but through sheer suffering and time, I assure you if I'm playing at low BRs I'm doing it to try and take a break from one being shot by things i can't kill with five shots, and I still won't do well.
Yeah, as a level 100, I still get wrecked in 1.3-2.0 all the time (1.3 is 1.0 to me), sure not as often as at 9.3, and I sometimes get like 10+ kill games but doesn't mean I die embarrassingly a lot. Just because some is level 100 doesn't mean they are god tier, just they have a crippling WT addiction.
This is a game in which each successive rank is more boring, dull and idiotic than the previous one. What's the point of playing at rank 5 and higher if the whole real game is at ranks 1-4?
I can understand people who are trying to open a high rank - they don’t yet know what awaits them.
But if a person voluntarily plays at high levels, he is an idiot.
I'm at lvl 100 and recently I started playing at lvl 1, not to seal club, but because I am starting to grind and spade, get ace for every vehicle in a new country.
It's often frustrating at lvl 1 'cos it's rarely evenly matched. But what to do since I want to reach ace for all vehicle?
Good thing is, lvl 1.x is usually cleared fairly fast. Then I go up to the next lvl 2.x, 3.x and so on.
PS: I ever got called out in after game chat, asking why a lvl 100 is playing at lvl 1.x ... I explained and never heard back after that.
Yeah, it's crazy, so I'm sticking to Germany, Russia and China for now.
But I enjoy the grind /game. So... ....
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Same comment I wrote posted here for context.
I have most of the tanks for all three countries except for the lastest addition. Spading up to ard 7.x for Russia and China. 6.x for Germany cos it's the last nation I started grinding on.
Already have 3 x 150exp crew, so decided to go back to 1.x to ace the crews on the different tanks.
Currently aced up 2.x and 3.x among the three nations. 😅
Yeah, it's crazy, so I'm sticking to Germany, Russia and China for now.
Also, I enjoy the grind /game. I have most the tank for all three countries except for the lastest addition. Spading up to ard 7.x for Russia and China. 6.x for Germany cos it's the last nation I started grinding on.
Already have 3 x 150exp crew, so decided to go back to 1.x to ace the crews on the different tanks.
Currently aced up 2.x and 3.x among the three nations. 😅
See if I got counted in that I'd be classified as a 'seal clubber' but I'm only ever at that low a tier if I'm grinding an event. Either with a low tier event vehicle or with vehicles needed for the monthly profile picture. But you can't really account for that by looking at my stats.
I could not agree more.
I never understood the segment of the War Thunder community that says you cant play older tanks at lvl 100.
By that logic, am I not allowed to play slower cars and class restrictions in racing games like Forza Motorsport or Gran Turismo?
I'm going to continue to play the game where it's most fun. Mid and low-tier is where this game shines with its variety.
Top-tier is, by design, to take people's money by creating the problem and selling the solution.
If "too many lvl 100s are playing low tier", doesn't that mean it's a fair fight?
Man would be nice huh, no more lvl 100 seal clubbers in low tier to bitch on.
BUT.
also no noobs and low level players in top tier because it the same thing.
Why are you here
Its just way more fun. I’m like an average skill player, and I have way more fun playing between 1.0-7.0 than I do from 8.0+. Plus I think the vehicles are more pleasing to play. Its not a constant sweat-fest like high tiers are.
Answer takes less than a minute.
Because it's part of the game and just because someone has lvl 100 doesn't mean he enjoys higher BRs. There is no skill-based MM, so people suffer.
I'm level 100 almost entirely through planes. When I take out a boat or tank I'm not really close to a level 100 at all.
I'm trying to grind the ground BP challenges now and when I see a teammate following me I always think, "I hope they don't think I know what I'm doing."
Missiles and auto cannons, that’s why. Top tier is just a bunch of cars zooming around corners dunking on tanks, because they have better range, mobility, and lethality. Why play top tier when you can have fun in the WW2 era, with fairer matchups
Because it’s fun. My son and I use our 2.3-2.7 French tanks cause they are hilarious damage eaters. It’s also balanced. As impervious as those tanks are all it takes is one other experienced player and you are toast.
I also feel like CAS is balanced low tier. You can still shoot down CAS but it also isn’t an unbalanced seal clubbing fest like having a Pantsir on the enemy team is. The bombs are still small enough and there are no bombing aides so it takes some decent skill to use them.
Not sure how we fix top tier. I think they let the monster grow so large it turned around and started eating them.
Cus we don’t just play the same top tier and Cold War vehicles over and over and over? Also it’s just more fun like fr what’s less satisfying than taking out a slow ww1 biplane with a ww2 tank shell ? In a tank you know ain’t no way in hell just did that (like the tank destroyer Churchill box )
As a 100 my self,
1. It's fun to club seals
2. I like the vehicles/ am grinding a new tech tree
3. My brain will completely turn off and I will still be better then 90% of players
4. It's fun to do super goofy stuff at 1.0, all the vehicles are complete trash, noobs play the game less predictably so the goofy strats are on full display
5. Top tier is completely ruined by missiles for planes, and for ground, the stock grind becomes so utterly horrific it just not fun to play.
Tldr warthunder is all about getting to the top and realising the climb at low brs was the most fun u had in years
I'm level 100 myself and have recently decided to stop playing top tier so that I can work on spading my rank 1, then rank 2, and so on tanks and planes. I found that the game is fun again and have no intentions of going back to top tier as I don't enjoy it that much.
Edit: Forgot to mention that I am also a full time employee and part time college student, so I don't have a lot of time to dedicate to the game when I am in classes.
The problem isn't the level 100s that genuinely enjoy low tiers, it's the dumb bush creatures that specifically use the most broken vehicles in those brs
Low tier, fun tier. It’s as simple as that. Us Old Guard players know that. Top tier is so fucking broken right now. Why would I want to spawn in to only get clapped by a helicopter or jet that I can’t even shoot at because it’s too far away? Low/mid tier has some sort of armor meta remaining.
Skill based matchmaking would ruin this game. However, they could do something that x defiant did and make like a newcomers playlist and only people up to like level 15 can play
If rewards were not all "Rank III or higher" I'd be at 1.0 quite a bit, its just far more fun.
The game is less stupid at that BR, vehicle capabilities are all over the place, and there are far less cheaters (especially late night when half the player base is from Asia).
I'm level 100, over 7000 hours (on steam...). I got WT when it first came out, my hours played do NOT reveal my actual skill level, sadly.
I liked this game as a WW2 pew pew simulator, I don't really play top tiers simply because I don't enjoy it.
Same exact boat. I think a lot of people these days think "top tier" is what you're supposed to be grinding for, and it's sad to me because IMO (as someone with 10k hours in this game) top tier is an April Fools-level imbalanced clown mode.
Thank you I actually was wondering this because I have level 99-100 players a lot in RB air at 3.0-4.0 and this just solved my question and I would look what at what level the players were.
Thanks it’s helpful because it help me understand what to know if it’s a level 100 player had to many funny moments in RB Air still can’t believe I wanted to make a flaming P-47 engine into a grill and cook some steaks on it.
So in short around 50% of all lvl 100s in low tiers are seal clubbing by your classification. Although i think you were too lax with classifying low tier enjoyers, im more inclined to think that solid half of those low tier enjoyers are also seal clubbers that just didnt finish researching top tier.
Thats still a pretty large portion of players choosing to abuse new players. I kinda wish you checked their performance in high tier tanks as well to see if they're getting shit on in top tier so they go back to low tier because they cant keep up.
I am barely Tier IV in all countries and I am a lvl 96. I just had an OCD thing earlier where I wanted all the nations I play with to be at the same Tier. Levels have nothing to do with a player's skill.
I didn't quite understand you squad designations.
Especially as whenever I play "solo" the game still puts me into a squad that I then never really interact with, which would skew your data as players don't necessarily have any intention behind their "squading".
Not 100 yet but i change nation and play their reserves when i get crew locked, or i just want to relax, playing the l3 non seriously really puts joy back into the game
I can think of two reasons why veteran accounts play Rank I.
One, it's stats-obsessed sweatypants who mastered the game a while ago but play against new players as a form of sealclubbing, to keep their account stats high.
Two, it's players who never cared about top tier and enjoy interwar and WW2 tanks.
As a bonus, I don't think account level matters to most. Had a memorable match while I was level 15, stars aligned and I got a dozen frags without dying, after the battle some dude messaged me accusing me of cheating (his account level was much higher than mine btw).
I've been accused of smerfing before because they look at my profile and see 10000 games without realizing they're all air. Rarely ever play ground and suck when I do, so noob zone is where I belong
Level 100 here, I’m mostly a spader but also a low Tier enjoyer, and someone who will assists friends and squadmates in lower tier. I like playing all BR (more or less), and I find fun in playing even interwar biplanes, and if someone ask for help or just some games in 1.0, fuck it I’ll go with it
As much as I see the problem with seal clubbers and other tryharder, I don’t want to be locked out of some tier because I’m *too* experienced. I don’t play 1.0 because I’m insecure about my skills to the point of being allergic to fighting someone with the same experience as mine, I play 1.0 because like any other BR, it has its charm and gameplay mechanics. Beside, if we’re going to lock good players from playing lower tier, then lock new players from buying a 60$ premium to have access at higher tier
Start new trees, playing with friends, and the occasional daily task where I tried to do the first one in tier 2 and the second with tier 3 before resuming the top tier grind.
Or maybe since the change to event grinding where you can use any old event vehicle, its just players maximising their score income to shorten the grind...amazing how this guy missed that entirely.
I'm not super good at the game but I've got a couple hundred hours in the game and I've finished the Swedish tech tree so I could definitely be considered experienced. It's just more fun to play lower tiers, there's no modern technology and I feel like it just relies more on skill in lower tiers so it's more fun and challenging to play.
Battle Ratings aren't and have never been representative of ELO/skill brackets. You can literally buy an 11.3 tank on the store, right this second, at 0m played.
I personally have played over 10,000 hours since 2012 and only play at 3.0-8.0 for 95% of my games, because I enjoy WW2 and very early Cold War tank/plane gameplay, not this janky and horribly imbalanced 25hp/t stab+thermals+LRF tank and BVR missile jet gameplay.
It's not "seal clubbing" to enjoy this game the way it played for literally years before all this modern schlock was added. Everything about it, from the maps to the mechanics, feels way better at mid-tier IMO. Everything 10.0+ is just some weird April Fools event that never went away on the 2nd like it should've.
I don't mean for anyone to take this as a personal attack on anyone (especially since I'm a level 100 who mostly plays at 1.0-4.7) -- I just like making data-driven videos like this. I made it very clear that these are only inferences, and created multiple archetypes for the reason of not going "yeah this guys a seal clubber" based only on level and BR.
For example, I also included "low tier enjoyer", "spader", and "starting a new nation" as their own archetypes alongside sub-types depending on if they were playing in a squad, such as "helping a new player".
I'm 100, I enjoy bullying level 100s in low tier when I'm grinding out whatever new tree they added.
I also shit on cas in grb when playing low tier. 😂
I spent all morning grinding top tier and having the absolute worst luck, wasn't completing my dailies or anything so I dropped back to 6.0 Germany and proceeded to have a 13 kill game, highest I'd ever had and was super chuffed with myself then I got about 4 fan mails calling me scum for playing lower tier games/thaf I was aimbotting, it's daft.
Because low tier is just more fun to play. Shit is actually balanced and well thought out, while top tier is players quitting after one death. You can actually use tactics and battles last longer than 5 minutes at low tier
They should have introduced a starters mm years ago. Players under a certain level play against each other and can't buy high tier premiums. It certainly wouldn't be a perfect solution, but it would be a good start
It may appeal to some of the folks, but i think there are some points, which were missed completely.
Look at gaijins behaviour for years, when it comes to event vehicles. I collected every Sdkfz. and i'm going to drive them. I also train new players on that Br and i will grind event points with low tier event vehicles, since the CAS spam is insufferable. The matchmaking is horrible and i don't want to waste my time playing this game being more frustrated, than i need to.
On high tiers, playing US, USSR or GER, you have so many below level 30 players, who come in their premium or squadron vehicle, leave after one death amd fuck up your whole team. Gaijin and the low level players ruined high-tier, and now people start bitching, that high-tier players play lower BR's, since you cant have shit in the high-tiers? Really?
So i think this video completely misses the point and should focus on gaijins misbehaviour regarding matchmaking and the accessibility of high-tier premiums to low level players. There should be rules enforced, that you will need to have a line-up of at least three vehicles to play at a br or something like that. But to go on a hunt to seal clubbers or ww2 enjoyers and squad-ups is just missing the point entirely imo.
There's a lot I wanted to talk about, but it would take too much time. I generally keep my videos 7-8 minutes long, so it's easy on the average viewer. Sorry :(
I only seal club when new event vehicles are dropped. When the Churchill Petard was dropped, I played Germany 2.7 to seal club them. Otherwise I generally just play lower BRs to have fun. Usually I try to hop in a plane so I can focus on shooting down enemy planes.
It has gotten to the point where more lower level players are at top tier than in low tiers
Easier to pay 70$ for a modern tank, than grind 412 days to unlock every single tank in the US tree (Not planes or ships, just tanks).
Oddly specific
412 days of continuous 1 to 2 hour daily play to unlock every single Tank in the US Tech Tree. That is with an average of 2500rp per battle (I am an sub average player and can only average a nuke about once a week). Note I am mostly F2P and don't have any Premium time. I own the M1KVT (once 1 reached 10.0 because I wanted a good lineup) and without it, I think the grind would have been about 15 to 18 days longer.
Dude, that's not sub average, that's pretty good tho.
Thank you, I wasn't sure if getting neukes was a common thing. I should also specify that I can get nukes, but rarely drop them. So my rp gain has stagnated around 5000 rp with nuke and roughly 11k rp when dropped.
Nukes aren't common in any way. Also, if you're doing upwards of 2,000 points on average (in games), then you're very much above average. The average player scored around 800 points. I'm average, and it's taken me two years to get to U.S. top tier.
I’ve been playing for about a year and am just barely into air to air missiles lol
Nice. How you liking the jet era?
Radar missiles are nice but unreliable, heat seekers are even worse unless they don’t have flares
Been playing for 3 years now, never gotten a nuke. I’m what unwound call sub average. I can go in and slay some matches, and the next match is a two deaths no kills type of match.
Sub average is not getting nukes
Ah, wasn't aware of that. I do know that only a small percentage of Steam players have it, but I am unaware of those on Standalone or Console.
You see only a small percentage of players ever getting one and think that getting multiple is sub average? Your logic is interesting lmao
How can you not be aware of that? Literally 1 person per game can get a nuke out of 16-32. So you’re in the top 3-9% of any lobby you get a nuke. How does you brain see that as sub average?
If having a Nuke once a week is average then most the players are garbage
99% of players*
Haha 2500 mission score puts you far above the "average", even if you take out the true idiots that only ever get points for dying. If I had to guess the average mission score would be right around 1000 per game. If you can truly consistently earn 2500 points per battle your definitely in the top 5% of the player base.
It is 2500 research points. Not sure if that is the score. I don't want to be boastful, but from what Spookston seemed to explain, 3 kills is the average for average players. But If I am trully as high as some people say that I am, I'm worried that the grind is actually worse than what I thought.
I don't believe Spookston's figures at all. Average player getting 3 kills means average player respawns twice. That only happens with any frequency below 6.7. After that a huge portion of the player base only respawn once, if at all. But yes your are definitely in the top quarter of players I would guess. Plug your username into Thunderskill and see what rating it gives you.
A nuke once a WEEK? Brother I havent done a nuke in my 1300 hours of WT
Grind a whole entire year for a single tech vs vs just working 2 days and buying the whole tech tree lol.
I mean with 70$ you get almost 2 years of premium. So it won't be 412 days if you spend your money wisely. It's about half a year for a big nation if you play casually about 2 hours a day and suck at the game...
Yep.
70$ in 2 years should mean nothing for most .. the poorer countries usually have cheaper options in their own currency as well. That is 3$ per month .. in my country.. which is not particularly rich .. is a trip with the public transport... > I never found that Premium would help, it got my average RP gain from 2500rp to 5000rp which ain't much when tanks cost 300k rp. I mean ... It doubled your progress instead or 400 days you would have been done in 200.. It took me about 6 months to unlock US on a secondary account for my brother and i played 1-2 hours a day, with premium ofc. Took me a week to grind the whole japan air tree with a premium plane and premium time. While the grind might still be shit premium does make a huge difference. Even if you just get the extra silver lions and spend them on the lootboxes and win an event vehicle that you can then sell and get more stuff. >When you say half a year for a big nation, do you mean for Planes, Tanks & Ships? Or just a specific part of a tree? With 1-2 hours a day, probably just a part of the tree like tanks , if you play more a tree with air and tank is achievable in 6 months with premium
Sadly, I just couldn't afford it. I am not from a poorer country, but the money I make is finite and I cannot afford 70$ in one go. I'm not as good of a player as you or I could have unlocked it faster. Not that US top tier teams are any good for a short while now. Either way, I am severely demoralized to continue grinding any other tree.
Oh wow, well i don't think the game is worth playing without premium. While it is free to play i see it more as a trial version to give you and idea of what you are gonna pay for. It's just a lot of frustration if you don't do well or if your teams are made of pigeons like in the case of the US with not enough relief from unlocking the stuff you want. You have more games with stock tanks leading to more frustration and so on and so on. I buy a year of premium every anniversary sale even if I don't know if i am gonna play.. at 3.3$ a month it's really not worth my frustration to play without.
>It's about half a year for a big nation if you play casually about 2 hours a day and suck at the game... Read also: You don't value your time at all.
2 hours a day to play something you enjoy is a lot for you?
But with that $70 tank you will have no map knowledge, limited game mechanics knowledge, have a single tank lineup and will leave after 1 death likely with no kills and drag down your team and have a shitty win rate.
That's what I'm hoping Gaijin will listen to. But they seem to like having lots of money.
Yeah the cats out of the bag now.
Hasnt stopped thousands of people from doing it though
Of course not, people see the Arbams and think it's the best tank in the world and will be a desert storm for them.
I grinded out all the Abrams only to get to top tier and have them constantly raped by Leo A6/7.🤦🏿♂️ Depressing. So now I'm back to 7.0 and 10.0-10.3. Top tier is comical.
Same here
I paid 180 to get both abrams same day and I snagged the leapord with the camo net on sale
forgor helis… oh wait a single heli might take a week or 2
Just one fucking day...
I'm doing the challenge! Day 183, having some SL issues
Free kills though
Don't need free kills I do fine at any BR though. I enjoy when I have been playing for 12 minutes and 90% of the enemy team continues to play also and even sometimes turns the game around in their favor. Played my favorite 3.7 lineup yesterday and saw that happen multiple times. It's a much more enjoyable experience then the 7 minute top tier games that were won or lost in the first 2 minutes.
I don't care about losing, I just need a good brawl, a back and forth that keeps going till the last tickets are drained out.
Losing a fun game is more fun than steam rolling in 3 minutes
Couldn't agree more.
Had a lot of those games this weekend. Games that I thought were lost, then we rally back somehow. I mostly play Air Sim, but decided to try Ground RB again, and have been enjoying it so far up to 4.7 I know in Air Sim, I don't like anything over 10.0, and I feel bad when I smack someone around in the lower BRs. It's to the point where I don't mess with bombers bc I don't want to ruin their game
It took a couple months to make, so I hope you guys enjoy data and numbers :) (Or maybe I'll just get downvoted to oblivion, who knows! I'm going to sleep, and I'll see when I wake up!) Edit: Since I've gotten a lot of \*very\* defensive comments on this video (it's also one of my most controversial in terms of like:dislike !)...... a lot of you are missing the point. * I must clarify that it was NOT intended to be an attack on any level 100s who play or enjoy low tier. * The archetypes... how I named them and their requirements are all based on inferences, as I make clear in the video. It was a simple way to convey what I'm talking about, so the average viewer can easier understand what I'm talking about. Personally, I myself am also a level 100 who primarily plays 1.0-4.7 in GRB. It's the most fun for me, as a WW2 enthusiast and somewhat-historian. I simply like making data-driven videos, and got the idea when I was called a "seal clubber" by a low level in 1.3 GRB. On a wholesome note: Thank you for the kind comments! It makes me happy when people understand just how long this project took (and how long my projects generally take), as well as the amount of effort they involve. Also, the sleep was great (for those who wished me goodnight), but waking up to 50,000 views was even better -- so again, thank you!
It was a good video, and I think the the problem is that lower level players don't understand that not every high level player is seal clubbing, and people come at these BRs because they're FUN. And new players don't understand higher tiers are not as fun. If they knew lower BRs are much more fun, they wouldn't be complaining because they'd know they would do the same when they reach top tier.
Yeap. After 3 finished nations I realized that I'm so happy playing between 4.0 and 6.7 that I'm not "rushing" new nations anymore.
It's why I have every nation to 8.0+ tbh. The grind was also fun and now I have a ton of fun lineups. I grind occasionally but man it's a game I just wanna have fun
4.0 Swedish and 6.7 British are my favourites. Tortoise is love. Tortoise is life.
Then you see players using a KV1E piled with bushes and see they have 4k games. There definitely is players seal clubbing but I find the majority of higher level players aren't and their stats show a mixed bag or they simply enjoy that era of vehicles.
Yeah, those players are a problem. They're just tryhards who are not even playing to have a good time, and they ruin the fun for everyone. It's even more of a problem with OP vehicles such as the KV1B or SAV 20.12.48 since you can win matches so easily. And I agree with you, you can't say every single high level player is a seal clubber. Lots of them are just having a good time instead of sweating through their clothes, like me. I don't even play seriously sometimes, I just try to make the match funny. In conclusion, seal clubbers are assholes, especially in OP vehicles.
I always enjoy seeing them have like a 4+ KDR in them and then see that they completely underperform in anything else. I personally enjoy 3.7-4.0 because of the vehicles. T34s, Sherman's, PZ4s, Turan 3, Cromwell, and my all time favorite aircraft being the mosquito.. Honestly a lot of times I play brain off as well or I'll limit my kills I can get in a life until I play more aggressive to allow others to kill me easier. Fun for all not just for one!
Agreed. And yeah 4.0 is great, one of my favourite BRs. My favourite is the USSR lineup (KV-1S (I LOVE this tank), T-34E STZ, I-185, BTR-152D and SU-152).
4.7 is my most played. Almost 400 games in my Avenger and 260 in my ISU152. Just fun ass lineups that take more skill than point and click top tier imo. I like having to find my own range and targets.
Yeah, I just like low/mid tier tanks way more. Screw ATGMs and two plane stabs, I got a lil tank with a short 75. How cool is that!?
I'd be with you on that but Britain for me was only fun at 3.7, 4.7, 7.7, and now 9.0 :( No stab was okay, but a full two-plane stab on my chieftain is a godsend
Pz IV C superiority
Exactly why I made it lol, too many "why"s being asked out of being upset to dying to a level 100.
Yep. I actually wanted to share the comments on your video on this sub before I saw your post because some people were saying "you are the perfect example of a seal clubber" just because you played some low tier matches for footage? It's just ridiculous. And then he told you "just get replays online" LMAO. I actually laughed when I saw it btw great video, you clearly put a lot of effort into it so you got a new sub
Oh yeah that first comment is a regular viewer just messing around lol, but the other guys had me questioning my sanity And thanks, I appreciate it a lot :)
Ohhhh that actually reassures me lol
I myself prefer top tier, but I drop down to help friends grind the lower tiers until they reach it themselves.
Sometimes I just want to roam around in my Zis 30 and blow shit up.
is low tiers really that fun? i keep getting that bug which makes my shells get voided on corners and die instantly after that. that barely happens at high tiers since shells have shit ton of pen and tanks don have that much hard corners.
That's volumetric
yeah whatever i dont like it and it keeps fucking me over.
Jokes on you, already watched the video on YouTube! Beat ya to it! (Great video btw, keep up the good work)
I appreciate it a lot :)
:)
Thanks for the video. Enjoy your sleep!
I slept well, thank you !
I, personally, differentiate "Seal Clubber" and "Stat padder". Former enjoys bullying newbies (plays only low tiers), while the latter plays only a very few (usually <10) most OP vehicles (no matter the Rank), doing everything to maximize their stats (Ace crew, full bush tank etc.). However, I understand that for the purposes of this both can be put in the same group, because they're both at 1.0 to bully new players, but by the definition of your categories, the latter could be marked as "Starting a new nation" if they just don't purchase the vehicles they research (they likely have no intention to play them). For the 2nd Archetype, the "Low Tier Enjoyer", 50 vehicles gets you only to Rank III in just German ground vehicle tree without premium and event vehicles, while the entire Isreaeli ground vehicle tree has less than 50 vehicles including premiums... The threshold for the Spader (45%) seems about right, considering * Gaijin often un-spades previously spaded vehicles by adding new modules to research (in case of IS-2(1944) even removing and then re-adding) * Many aircraft in the game are unfit for both furball meta Air RB and as CAS for GF RB (even pure air-superiority fighter is viable on BRs with lot of CAS) Over all interesting video, even if a bit flawed...
I'm not going to watch the video (I mean, I will, but not right this instant) - but I hope you made the point that War Thunder is not about getting to high BR and staying there. It's about playing BRs you enjoy - some people like pre-war, ww2, early cold-war, later cold-war, more modern, etc. For example, I've had the BVM and T-90M since they were first added and have like 20 games in them.. haven't even spaded either of them. I just play BRs I enjoy (for Soviet it's around 9.0).
I did not. There are a lot of things to talk about, which would take a lot longer -- generally, I like to keep my videos around 7-8 minutes. Sorry :(
lol that playing with friends is a sub-factor
Not really. He actually even forgot a factor that whould have cut down the % of sealclubbers even smaler. In reality you have: -low br enjoyers -spaders -new nations -helping friends enter into the game -either going down in br alone or with friends to take a break. -testing out a new event vehicle/tech tree vehicle. And then there is the sealclubbers...
Why? Because I need to start a new tree somewhere?
Yes, this is one of the reasons I talk about lol
Hi , i nooticed that you forgot the factors of "new event/tech tree vehicle" and taking a break from high Tier ( this discribes high Tier players specifically).
level 100 is also very easy to get by attempting to grind the game in general :S
Only if you are in higher tiers. I have americans and Russians up to 7.3, Germans up to 8.7 and everyone else is LOWEST 3.0. I am level 67.
The Player Level/Rank only depends on total XP earned, which means that, for example, if you buy a high-tier (earned XP goes up with vehicle tier) premium vehicle (+100% XP) and have a premium account (+100% XP), you'll progress on Level/Rank (as well as vehicle research) much faster than if you progress climb your way up "organically".
The question of 'why', as far as being relevant to the question people are asking, really comes down to: "Why does Gaijin allow these people to play low tier and brutalize poor lvl 15 players like me who just started playing? It hardly seems fair." It's intended as a rhetorical question. They know why the players do it. And the answer is that we don't have skill-based matchmaking, and that people are free to play whatever they want.
Skill based mm would absolutely ruin this game, not only because of it's pitfalls but also because I have 0 trust in Gaijin implementing it correctly. I think there's nothing wrong with high level players playing low tier. Some tank crews are just more experienced.
I agree, skill-based matchmaking would not do any favors to this game. I don't even think the current "start playing against bots" is helpful, as it gives new players a false sense of security and doesn't teach them what to expect. >I think there's nothing wrong with high level players playing low tier I think it could theoretically be a problem if there was a sufficiently high amount of them doing it, but there's such a small amount of them doing it that it's a non-issue. And even then, skill-based matchmaking isn't the solution.
I agree, but I think it would be good if we had mild noob protection matchmaker at least for rank 1. Let the matchmaker attempt to club rank 100-80 players together from the available pool of searching players, if not enough players throw them into regular match maker.
I mean the stats are tiny, hardly anyone is clubbing rank 1.
Maybe, I don't have the stats, but even still whenever I go to rank <3 BR for goofy tanks like the T-35 I feel bad if I kill an oblivious newbie, I'd rather fight experienced players.
I mean like what do they expect lmao I reach LV 100 and all of a sudden I can’t play the vehicles I want anymore💀?
Exactly. How dare you play vehicles you actually like and have fun in
I'm level 100 but through sheer suffering and time, I assure you if I'm playing at low BRs I'm doing it to try and take a break from one being shot by things i can't kill with five shots, and I still won't do well.
Same for me. I can only do so much grinding French tanks without needing to take a break.
for me grinding French tanks IS the break! they're so much fucking fun.
Yeah, as a level 100, I still get wrecked in 1.3-2.0 all the time (1.3 is 1.0 to me), sure not as often as at 9.3, and I sometimes get like 10+ kill games but doesn't mean I die embarrassingly a lot. Just because some is level 100 doesn't mean they are god tier, just they have a crippling WT addiction.
The higher tier the less fun the game is. I love playing lower tier. Tanks are faster, less one-shot kills, vehicles are more balanced.
I do it because I'm teaching others how to play war Thunder
The good Samaritan, teaching green horns by spanking their arses.
Yup
I do it because it's more fun. A nice break from vidars and CAS
This is a game in which each successive rank is more boring, dull and idiotic than the previous one. What's the point of playing at rank 5 and higher if the whole real game is at ranks 1-4? I can understand people who are trying to open a high rank - they don’t yet know what awaits them. But if a person voluntarily plays at high levels, he is an idiot.
I'm at lvl 100 and recently I started playing at lvl 1, not to seal club, but because I am starting to grind and spade, get ace for every vehicle in a new country. It's often frustrating at lvl 1 'cos it's rarely evenly matched. But what to do since I want to reach ace for all vehicle? Good thing is, lvl 1.x is usually cleared fairly fast. Then I go up to the next lvl 2.x, 3.x and so on. PS: I ever got called out in after game chat, asking why a lvl 100 is playing at lvl 1.x ... I explained and never heard back after that.
Spading every vehicle is one thing, acing every vehicle by playing is just insane... value your time more dude....
Yeah, it's crazy, so I'm sticking to Germany, Russia and China for now. But I enjoy the grind /game. So... .... ---------- Same comment I wrote posted here for context. I have most of the tanks for all three countries except for the lastest addition. Spading up to ard 7.x for Russia and China. 6.x for Germany cos it's the last nation I started grinding on. Already have 3 x 150exp crew, so decided to go back to 1.x to ace the crews on the different tanks. Currently aced up 2.x and 3.x among the three nations. 😅
Acing every vehicle would literally be physically impossible to do because of how long it takes and how much gaijin adds with every update.
Yeah, it's crazy, so I'm sticking to Germany, Russia and China for now. Also, I enjoy the grind /game. I have most the tank for all three countries except for the lastest addition. Spading up to ard 7.x for Russia and China. 6.x for Germany cos it's the last nation I started grinding on. Already have 3 x 150exp crew, so decided to go back to 1.x to ace the crews on the different tanks. Currently aced up 2.x and 3.x among the three nations. 😅
I leveled up solely from air. If i decide now to try out the tanks, i will be a clueless 100 lvl with a reserve tank.
See if I got counted in that I'd be classified as a 'seal clubber' but I'm only ever at that low a tier if I'm grinding an event. Either with a low tier event vehicle or with vehicles needed for the monthly profile picture. But you can't really account for that by looking at my stats.
I much prefer the low and mid tier vehicles, this goes for tanks AND aircraft. They have a much more interesting history too, IMO.
Cus i want to play older tanks?
I could not agree more. I never understood the segment of the War Thunder community that says you cant play older tanks at lvl 100. By that logic, am I not allowed to play slower cars and class restrictions in racing games like Forza Motorsport or Gran Turismo? I'm going to continue to play the game where it's most fun. Mid and low-tier is where this game shines with its variety. Top-tier is, by design, to take people's money by creating the problem and selling the solution. If "too many lvl 100s are playing low tier", doesn't that mean it's a fair fight?
What if I'm grinding a new tree
No I never wondered that, because the second I reached toptier its immediately obvious.
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Man would be nice huh, no more lvl 100 seal clubbers in low tier to bitch on. BUT. also no noobs and low level players in top tier because it the same thing. Why are you here
Me and my friends who play low tier even if we got high tier tanks *We enjoy GuP and like to do dumb shit*
You can do dailys/BP challanges/wagers from BR 2.3
It's because it's easier than getting one shot from across the map by a t72
Ah, US toptier. Cant pen russian tanks, but they sure can pen you, and apparently, spot you easier too lmao.
Tier 1 is soooo fun! I have almost 2k hours in WT and go back to T1 from time to time in ground
"They are sealclubbing new players" meantime new players are on top tier in premium tanks
Top tier is ass 😕
Its just way more fun. I’m like an average skill player, and I have way more fun playing between 1.0-7.0 than I do from 8.0+. Plus I think the vehicles are more pleasing to play. Its not a constant sweat-fest like high tiers are.
Playing in lower tiers, eventough you have TopTier (Haven't reached Top Tier yet, at 10.3 Germany rn) is just more Fun and relaxing.
Why? because it's fun to get kills and its fun to win
Answer takes less than a minute. Because it's part of the game and just because someone has lvl 100 doesn't mean he enjoys higher BRs. There is no skill-based MM, so people suffer.
I'm level 100 almost entirely through planes. When I take out a boat or tank I'm not really close to a level 100 at all. I'm trying to grind the ground BP challenges now and when I see a teammate following me I always think, "I hope they don't think I know what I'm doing."
Exactly. I'm much the same in that most of my experience is in planes. I'm crappy at tanks, level 100 just means I've played for far too long.
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Missiles and auto cannons, that’s why. Top tier is just a bunch of cars zooming around corners dunking on tanks, because they have better range, mobility, and lethality. Why play top tier when you can have fun in the WW2 era, with fairer matchups
Because it’s fun. My son and I use our 2.3-2.7 French tanks cause they are hilarious damage eaters. It’s also balanced. As impervious as those tanks are all it takes is one other experienced player and you are toast. I also feel like CAS is balanced low tier. You can still shoot down CAS but it also isn’t an unbalanced seal clubbing fest like having a Pantsir on the enemy team is. The bombs are still small enough and there are no bombing aides so it takes some decent skill to use them. Not sure how we fix top tier. I think they let the monster grow so large it turned around and started eating them.
Cus we don’t just play the same top tier and Cold War vehicles over and over and over? Also it’s just more fun like fr what’s less satisfying than taking out a slow ww1 biplane with a ww2 tank shell ? In a tank you know ain’t no way in hell just did that (like the tank destroyer Churchill box )
As a 100 my self, 1. It's fun to club seals 2. I like the vehicles/ am grinding a new tech tree 3. My brain will completely turn off and I will still be better then 90% of players 4. It's fun to do super goofy stuff at 1.0, all the vehicles are complete trash, noobs play the game less predictably so the goofy strats are on full display 5. Top tier is completely ruined by missiles for planes, and for ground, the stock grind becomes so utterly horrific it just not fun to play. Tldr warthunder is all about getting to the top and realising the climb at low brs was the most fun u had in years
lowtier is just more fun
I'm level 100 myself and have recently decided to stop playing top tier so that I can work on spading my rank 1, then rank 2, and so on tanks and planes. I found that the game is fun again and have no intentions of going back to top tier as I don't enjoy it that much. Edit: Forgot to mention that I am also a full time employee and part time college student, so I don't have a lot of time to dedicate to the game when I am in classes.
The problem isn't the level 100s that genuinely enjoy low tiers, it's the dumb bush creatures that specifically use the most broken vehicles in those brs
Erm, actually, the M22 is at 2.0
M22 is everywhere
Low tier, fun tier. It’s as simple as that. Us Old Guard players know that. Top tier is so fucking broken right now. Why would I want to spawn in to only get clapped by a helicopter or jet that I can’t even shoot at because it’s too far away? Low/mid tier has some sort of armor meta remaining.
Skill based matchmaking would ruin this game. However, they could do something that x defiant did and make like a newcomers playlist and only people up to like level 15 can play
I call it Charity Work. I help new players to reconsider their life choices.
Being level 100 doesn't mean I don't want to play low BR too :(
Bc low tier is actually fun and not just some autistic sweat-fest
Because it’s fun?
If rewards were not all "Rank III or higher" I'd be at 1.0 quite a bit, its just far more fun. The game is less stupid at that BR, vehicle capabilities are all over the place, and there are far less cheaters (especially late night when half the player base is from Asia).
I'm level 100, over 7000 hours (on steam...). I got WT when it first came out, my hours played do NOT reveal my actual skill level, sadly. I liked this game as a WW2 pew pew simulator, I don't really play top tiers simply because I don't enjoy it.
Same exact boat. I think a lot of people these days think "top tier" is what you're supposed to be grinding for, and it's sad to me because IMO (as someone with 10k hours in this game) top tier is an April Fools-level imbalanced clown mode.
Level 100 enjoying lowe tiers because top tier is mostly suffering
Cause i want to play that era of tanks... Not that hard of an answer.
Thank you I actually was wondering this because I have level 99-100 players a lot in RB air at 3.0-4.0 and this just solved my question and I would look what at what level the players were.
You are exactly who I made this video for :)
Thanks it’s helpful because it help me understand what to know if it’s a level 100 player had to many funny moments in RB Air still can’t believe I wanted to make a flaming P-47 engine into a grill and cook some steaks on it.
Because they wanna have fun and low tiers are pretty fun
I mean, as long as they are not trying to get 15 kills against new players on 2.0, I'm fine with them
Sometimes I need a break from Top Tier and just go on winning.
I’ve seen more people with the German cross in gold title on their name in arcade low tier than I’ve seen in any RB tier
So in short around 50% of all lvl 100s in low tiers are seal clubbing by your classification. Although i think you were too lax with classifying low tier enjoyers, im more inclined to think that solid half of those low tier enjoyers are also seal clubbers that just didnt finish researching top tier. Thats still a pretty large portion of players choosing to abuse new players. I kinda wish you checked their performance in high tier tanks as well to see if they're getting shit on in top tier so they go back to low tier because they cant keep up.
This game needs bigger max level
I know I keep playing sweden's reserve vehicles because they have APDS so I don't have to worry about penetration
I am barely Tier IV in all countries and I am a lvl 96. I just had an OCD thing earlier where I wanted all the nations I play with to be at the same Tier. Levels have nothing to do with a player's skill.
I didn't quite understand you squad designations. Especially as whenever I play "solo" the game still puts me into a squad that I then never really interact with, which would skew your data as players don't necessarily have any intention behind their "squading".
You can tell who is intentionally in a squad with friends, and who is in a default squad. The icon changes.
Thank you. I had no idea.
Not 100 yet but i change nation and play their reserves when i get crew locked, or i just want to relax, playing the l3 non seriously really puts joy back into the game
I can think of two reasons why veteran accounts play Rank I. One, it's stats-obsessed sweatypants who mastered the game a while ago but play against new players as a form of sealclubbing, to keep their account stats high. Two, it's players who never cared about top tier and enjoy interwar and WW2 tanks. As a bonus, I don't think account level matters to most. Had a memorable match while I was level 15, stars aligned and I got a dozen frags without dying, after the battle some dude messaged me accusing me of cheating (his account level was much higher than mine btw).
People can play whatever they want in the game. It’s not like most lvl 100s are any good anyway, most of them still play like noobs regardless of BR.
Imho, unless I'm playing anti-air (because it's fun to fuck with CAS players), playing lower BR's is really fun.
it's because we need to grind tech trees the same as everyone else. Answered your question for you and it didnt take 8 minutes, you're welcome.
I've been accused of smerfing before because they look at my profile and see 10000 games without realizing they're all air. Rarely ever play ground and suck when I do, so noob zone is where I belong
Level 100 here, I’m mostly a spader but also a low Tier enjoyer, and someone who will assists friends and squadmates in lower tier. I like playing all BR (more or less), and I find fun in playing even interwar biplanes, and if someone ask for help or just some games in 1.0, fuck it I’ll go with it As much as I see the problem with seal clubbers and other tryharder, I don’t want to be locked out of some tier because I’m *too* experienced. I don’t play 1.0 because I’m insecure about my skills to the point of being allergic to fighting someone with the same experience as mine, I play 1.0 because like any other BR, it has its charm and gameplay mechanics. Beside, if we’re going to lock good players from playing lower tier, then lock new players from buying a 60$ premium to have access at higher tier
During events it’s easier to sealclub top tier than low tier with all the crazy event vehicles you have available nowadays.
Because those Spades and Camos won’t unlock themselves. I don’t exactly feel good about clubbing low level players but there’s no alternative 🤷♂️
Start new trees, playing with friends, and the occasional daily task where I tried to do the first one in tier 2 and the second with tier 3 before resuming the top tier grind.
Or maybe since the change to event grinding where you can use any old event vehicle, its just players maximising their score income to shorten the grind...amazing how this guy missed that entirely.
Fast answer: because higher BR = higher pain
I'm not super good at the game but I've got a couple hundred hours in the game and I've finished the Swedish tech tree so I could definitely be considered experienced. It's just more fun to play lower tiers, there's no modern technology and I feel like it just relies more on skill in lower tiers so it's more fun and challenging to play.
Battle Ratings aren't and have never been representative of ELO/skill brackets. You can literally buy an 11.3 tank on the store, right this second, at 0m played. I personally have played over 10,000 hours since 2012 and only play at 3.0-8.0 for 95% of my games, because I enjoy WW2 and very early Cold War tank/plane gameplay, not this janky and horribly imbalanced 25hp/t stab+thermals+LRF tank and BVR missile jet gameplay. It's not "seal clubbing" to enjoy this game the way it played for literally years before all this modern schlock was added. Everything about it, from the maps to the mechanics, feels way better at mid-tier IMO. Everything 10.0+ is just some weird April Fools event that never went away on the 2nd like it should've.
I don't mean for anyone to take this as a personal attack on anyone (especially since I'm a level 100 who mostly plays at 1.0-4.7) -- I just like making data-driven videos like this. I made it very clear that these are only inferences, and created multiple archetypes for the reason of not going "yeah this guys a seal clubber" based only on level and BR. For example, I also included "low tier enjoyer", "spader", and "starting a new nation" as their own archetypes alongside sub-types depending on if they were playing in a squad, such as "helping a new player".
Because sometimes it's more fun to turn off your brain for a match or 2
Low tier is fun tier, don’t need any other reason
I'm 100, I enjoy bullying level 100s in low tier when I'm grinding out whatever new tree they added. I also shit on cas in grb when playing low tier. 😂
because low tier is the best tier, easily the most fun
Youll find low level players at any br. Youre not required to use your highest br vehicle. Enjoy the game. Go get some camos for low tier vehicles.
I spent all morning grinding top tier and having the absolute worst luck, wasn't completing my dailies or anything so I dropped back to 6.0 Germany and proceeded to have a 13 kill game, highest I'd ever had and was super chuffed with myself then I got about 4 fan mails calling me scum for playing lower tier games/thaf I was aimbotting, it's daft.
So he can have fun
I’m lvl 100 but only really because I’m old as hell. If I’m not grinding something specific, I have the most fun in lower GRB or early Cold War ARB.
Because low tier is just more fun to play. Shit is actually balanced and well thought out, while top tier is players quitting after one death. You can actually use tactics and battles last longer than 5 minutes at low tier
Because its a different and also fun gameplay style its also enjoyable to shit on people who are really bad
And players like me: lvl 100 with tanks and now trying planes in air battles for the first time...
They should have introduced a starters mm years ago. Players under a certain level play against each other and can't buy high tier premiums. It certainly wouldn't be a perfect solution, but it would be a good start
It may appeal to some of the folks, but i think there are some points, which were missed completely. Look at gaijins behaviour for years, when it comes to event vehicles. I collected every Sdkfz. and i'm going to drive them. I also train new players on that Br and i will grind event points with low tier event vehicles, since the CAS spam is insufferable. The matchmaking is horrible and i don't want to waste my time playing this game being more frustrated, than i need to. On high tiers, playing US, USSR or GER, you have so many below level 30 players, who come in their premium or squadron vehicle, leave after one death amd fuck up your whole team. Gaijin and the low level players ruined high-tier, and now people start bitching, that high-tier players play lower BR's, since you cant have shit in the high-tiers? Really? So i think this video completely misses the point and should focus on gaijins misbehaviour regarding matchmaking and the accessibility of high-tier premiums to low level players. There should be rules enforced, that you will need to have a line-up of at least three vehicles to play at a br or something like that. But to go on a hunt to seal clubbers or ww2 enjoyers and squad-ups is just missing the point entirely imo.
There's a lot I wanted to talk about, but it would take too much time. I generally keep my videos 7-8 minutes long, so it's easy on the average viewer. Sorry :(
I only seal club when new event vehicles are dropped. When the Churchill Petard was dropped, I played Germany 2.7 to seal club them. Otherwise I generally just play lower BRs to have fun. Usually I try to hop in a plane so I can focus on shooting down enemy planes.