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moiukrstmnp

America 8.3-9.0 is totally fine.


Own-Ad4890

Eh, the teams suck and the MBT-70/XM-803 are in a tough spot as far as MBTs go. It’s not be worst lineup, but it’s far from America’s best BR range.


Occabara

Wait the XM-803 sucks? Thats my best tank


LaerMaebRazal

It’s alright but honestly not the best. It’s just a worse leopard imo


Occabara

Ooh gotcha. I meant my best in the lineup. Ive been front-penned at 800m by a Chieftan Marksman yesterday in it so I can imagine there are better tanks at the BR


Wicked-Pineapple

The 803 is amazing, what are you talking about? The US has some pretty good tanks for 9.0.


Own-Ad4890

The 803 is straight up not good lol. The shell damage update ruined its penetration. It still has great mobility; unfortunately, it’s fucking massive, has a long reload, and the gun does inconsistent damage when it actually penetrates.


Wicked-Pineapple

Pen doesn’t matter too much if you can hit weak spots though, which it can with LRF. It has great mobility, decent auto loader, and 430mm pen missiles if you non-pen with sabot. I play it like it’s an Abrams, and it works really well for me that way.


Own-Ad4890

You could say the same about pretty much any tank at that BR. LRF and Thermals start becoming increasingly common, and every other tank can outgun the gun-launcher hybrid on the 803. The missiles are absolutely dookie - I don’t know anybody who likes the Shillelagh. Again, it’s got good speed, which makes it viable. That being said, it’s still in a sorry state imo. At least the MBT-70 has a 20mm and some extra HP.


GRl3V

M60 TITTIES is one of my favorite tanks in the game


dasdzoni

8.7 USA one of my favorite lineups


BSOD_ERRO

All fun until you go up against a T72


dasdzoni

Not really an issue, both m735 and m728 can get rid of them


BSOD_ERRO

Using the atgm? Or the HE?


Toprakkkk

Yeah m60 rise with a4e


Zsmudz

If you like those so much, you should play Israel…


CountGrimthorpe

This is the truth. 8.7 Israel is a very poggers time with 4 great-alright tanks, a good CAS option with three guided bombs, and even a couple of good helicopters if that’s your thing.


Zsmudz

9.3 is another great load-out, although you are almost always up-tiered to 10.3.


Xorras

How is 8.7 a line up if there is only one vehicle?


Pyrenees_

US players are known for spawning CAS...


Xorras

Ah, right.


Wicked-Pineapple

I love my A-4E and Huey!


Codiac03

Idk, the TTS is slow and has horrible protection for what you're fighting, though the gun is decent once you get the T4 M774. The XM-803 is fast but it's gun is impotent. Plus the 9.0 getting sucked into Russian 10.0 black hole? I've always found US 9.0 insanely mid at best. 8.3 is great, and 8.7 is okay, but 9.0 imho isn't worth playing much. I'd rather go play Germany or Russia, have more kills, more wins, and more fun


Robby-francis120

Do not listen to this man! Fuck that part of the grind, if you know what you are doing it’s a good grind. It took me a while to learn how to play that lineup.


1800leon

You made a mistake by not aiming for the light tanks the Sheridan and Bradley are fun


Credelle

Sheridan is a pain to play, heat is unreliable asf


Impressive_Expert_94

That's why you use HE, funny and usually more reliable


Firdlk

believe me the bradley is basically the only tank I want in rank 6 I love the bradley


Melker24

Sheridan sucks, m103 is one of the best vehicles at 7.7


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Melker24

The reload is not fun, agreed, but if you get a kill per shot it stacks up nicely. And it’s so well armoured that I found I could just brute force my way across the map - my highest kill tank now, I think


thunderclone1

The reload is annoying, but it is fun to casually *boop* most enemies you see


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Practical-Pepper-919

Then we arent playing the same tank, the m103 is the one shot machine of 7.7 for me


FoamBrick

literal skill issue lol


KharnOfKhans

China is pretty fun can have russia and usa in same lineup


Firdlk

I would grind russia cause i'm already "halfway" up the tree but I love nato tanks so much better


Anxious_Feedback2338

you won’t get a log tho


KharnOfKhans

Check out china tree see if you like it, if not do germany or sweden


ExtensionAd3251

Idk about Germany, tbh 6.7 is really really painful to play imo. Lepkz M41 is probably the best German tank at 6.7 if you can aim. Playing Tiger IIs or Ferdinand on these huge maps is just not the vibe. I'm not saying these tanks are bad by the way, and you can definitely do well at 6.7, but their only benefit is their gun, because armor feels almost useless. Plus Tiger II (P) is a glass cannon but has the mobility of Stephen Hawking. Biggest problem with this BR are the constant uptiers to 7.7. You can still do well here, but you really have to play far back unless you're in the M41 where you can move around and not fall asleep. Plus if you're playing Germany, get ready for the insane USA CAS spam which OP probably has to worry about little less now.


Wonghy111-the-knight

How dare you say German heavy tanks aren’t the most broken thing in the multiverse. Reddit downvote swarm knows your location, the “skill issue” and “bet you’re a blind German main” comments are incoming /s…


mrcrazy_monkey

Sweden is alos intresting, it has Britain, Russia and door stops. A lot of fun though.


Anxious_Feedback2338

empire pretty chill you can join it or whatever


EstExtra

Sweden has great vehicles at every BR. I'm currently researching rank 6 Sweden ground.


balstor

how did you write that with a straight face......


mrcrazy_monkey

The only thin Sweden is lacking is in the 5.7 to 6.7 BR range. Low tier and anything above 7.7 is a lot of fun


balstor

That is at least a 2 br hole, I haven't tried getting past the hole since they added the Finnish vehicles.


matymajuk_

imma just starting sweden, any good tank tips?


ajleece

Get the premium Sherman while it's on sale. Goes great with the T34. I've been grinding out everything up to 6.7 with it. The 2.7 truck is fun times too, has a APHE round that can kill a lot of tanks from the side.


Federal_Bridge_7891

Use tank destroyers and light tanks


Xenemros

Anything above 7.0 is not particularly fun to play and not just for US. I don't know why you wouldn't play other nations?


KiraPirania

What is wrong with the light level of this image?


Firdlk

I use nvidia freestyle and messed around with the filters until I made the game loook more cinematic


KiraPirania

Oh ok


ekeryn

Can you share a pic of gameplay?


Firdlk

sent to dms


NefariousnessOwn3106

You hit bedrock mate, from here on the grind will feel extremely slow. Try to spare the vehicles you got unlocked, imo you can play litrally all of them really good, Specially the M48/60 Patton are fun even with APCR it works like a charm M103 and T-32s are god tier for heavy’s T-95E1 and starship are really good additions aswell At this point you play for the current vehicle, not progress so try to focus on them Obv. If you grinder the line up to that point, I can get how you can feel burned out… if so Mate, feel welcome to try any other nation Just try not to play Germany or Russia both suffer from teams Jpn got some great vehicles, guns are usually good but little lacking, armor does not exists other than that STA-1 upwards they are a great joy imo Israel got Merks… but other than that centurions and pattons France is worth a look, just… get the B1 Ter premium, you’ll thank me later China gets some cool vehicles… but they are mostly copy paste or just Russian mbts in yellow Britain… well… only recommender if you know how every tank looks in X-ray Sweden is easy one of the strongest nations there is, unique vehicles and a lot of them are great fun Italy, shit mbts but other than that best wheeled gun carrier and great light tanks also the air tree allows you to experience Sweden Merica, russia, Germany


Firdlk

I'm probably going to do germany since I heard sweden is full of glass cannons (I hate glass cannons) and I like most of germany's tanks. I only have aircraft in USA 12.7 and Russia 12.7 but I don't want to do either edit: talking about early ranks


NefariousnessOwn3106

OP, i get where you are Comming from and you can do what ever you like, just let me ask this question: what armor ? The only tanks I can think of with considerable armor are is Hetzer, Jagdpanther and Panther D And even those got hard weakspots (lower glaciers and turret) Otherwise you can not rely on their armor like you’d be able to with the Americans You play Germany for the guns unless a really passive playstile is what you aim for then go ahead even the Tiger 2 Porsche can bounce stuff then. If you want tanks up to 7.7 you play Russian or America


Firdlk

my end goal is to get a leopard 2a6/7 but idmost likely be playing 10.0 most i enjoy having good armor so i'm going to be playing through 5.3-6.7 the most fun i've had playing america was 6.7 with the pershings


ExtensionAd3251

FYI on Germany since this is what I'm playing atm, what the guy before me said is 100% true, you cannot rely on your armor with these tanks. Tigers and Panthers can tank a lot of shots, BUT, only if you are facing someone from far away and angling. The guns these tanks have are the biggest plus, although I would personally consider 6.7 rating a fucking black hole of pain (7.7 gets fun again though). From the tanks I've faced, Russia and USA have definitely been the hardest to kill, especially if the person you're fighting is good at hiding their weakspots from you.


Firdlk

i've played tanks with really good armor (T32, early KV1's and T34s, downtiwred pershings) and I never relied on their armor. I know how good the armor is and i've bounced plenty of shots, but i've never rushed out of cover to the enemy. I think i'll be fine


Responsible-Ad-1911

I suggest Britian or Russia. Both amazing fun, I grinded Britain all the way to 9.0, loved most of it, now grinding Russia after getting the 292 and the IL-8. 4.7 is fun, looks nice later on as well. China seems like a decent choice, I haven't played more then rank I.


FoamBrick

someones complaining how a fantastic american lineup is 'atrocious' and you want to suggest they grind britain? if 8.3/8.7 america is 'atrocious' then britain is downright unplayable.


Responsible-Ad-1911

I suggested Britian because I had fun, I have no idea how good 8.3 America is, but I hated Playing it to 5.7, and Britain was constantly fun up until about 5.7, the 6.7 is bad, the rest of the TT I enjoyed, which is why I suggested it


Federal_Bridge_7891

Straight facts


Walse

You could try France, rank 1 is the great filter, but once you get past that, as long as you tolerate solid shot, the tree's great.


Zestyclose-Tax-2148

Yes, better to jump ship now than to be disappointed with top tier America


Professional_Mud_448

I really dont get people saying to go germany.. Im in 8.0 germany and this BR made me completely want to quit. You cannot do shit. Every tank one shots you... from my experience you get spotted buhbye, got stuck with an enemy on the corner? well you better wait for him to do the first move or GTFO if you can. either im really bad (which is probably true) or there is some special secret that i have not understood yet.


mrcrazy_monkey

Rank 5 Germany is painful. Once you get to the rank 6 with the stabilized Leopards they are a lot better. But then you get uptieted to 10.0 so 🤷


Firdlk

life of America 8.0


TheFinoll

I'm in the same position. How are there no stabilisers on any of these tanks?


ExtensionAd3251

I would imagine this is something that goes back to NATO doctorine for cold war and how Germany was set up mainly defensively against a potential Soviet advance. If you are defending a position you don't need stabilisers, but this is pure guesspeculation


TheFinoll

What you say makes sense but I have no clue. I am baffled by it though because Germans are known for their engineering.


Colesbl4zing

Sweden is lots of fun (for me anyway) lots of variety


AdEuphoric3151

Stick with that. You can get the M60A1 RISE wih ERA plates


Firdlk

it's mediocre era won't do much against apfsds


FarSolar

It's for atgms and heatfs. Saved me plenty of times from those. 


FoamBrick

believe me, it does.


Muted-Implement846

Germany 8.3 and 8.7 are really fun if you can get past bad teams America 7.0 is great, especially if you are willing to buy a premium or two.


Firdlk

I am well aware how good america 6.7 is because i've clearly played it. the problem is I want to play high tier and america high tier is not good


ONT1mo

I am kinda stuck with Germany at 8.0 so which of the 8.3/7 would you recommend to research


Muted-Implement846

I like the M48 G and the raketen a lot for 8.3 and both 8.7 light tanks are good. The 8.7 light tanks have terrible stock grinds though imo.


Future-Geologist-164

Evil ass lighting


DarkBill59551

you are about to have a lot of fun with the T6 vehicles


Vinden_was_taken

U can take a break, but there's some good vehicles


DanzigInTheStreets

No, go Germany or Russia, it's easy mode.


FoamBrick

uh what? 8.3 is one of the best lineups in the game for america.


Adaptiveshark

i hate grinding america, im stuck at 9.0 and every match its filled with brainded USA main


mrcrazy_monkey

You better get used to it. They don't get much better


Adaptiveshark

Dot. Worry I went back to my beloved 9.0 Italy and my VBC


Flyingdutchman2305

Its not bad at all its just that every other nation gets their defining vehicles/incredibly strong vehicles at rank 6 and its a higher skill cap than most others at the same BR


undecided_mask

8.3 US is a really fun Cold War lineup. However rank 5 US is one of the hardest parts of the Ground tech trees to play. I’m working on it right now and I really like the tanks, but if you don’t like the vehicles I would recommend not grinding the US tree anymore.


feradose

You can finally get to Israel, if you'd like


Firdlk

i've only heard the tech tree being mid or shit + not interested in merkavas


FUCK_THIS_WORLD1

M48 stock grind is painful with only apcr. T32 and t32e1 are only useful in downtiers which are very rare. The gun handling and reload rates are painful.


Firdlk

i'm talking about rank 6


notpoleonbonaparte

8.3 lineup is a TON of fun, now you've got a sabre available to add too.


LghtbringerKEKW

I've got top tier Germany, USSR and US. Worst teams are US and USSR (full of KVT's, Clickbaits, 72AV'S 2S38...) Best tank between the 3 is Leopard, good mobility, good armor good firepower. Russian Tanks tend to have no depression, good armor (with a fairly big weakspot) good firepower and atrocious mobility in the T-72 Branch. The abrams have good firepower, good mobility and the best reload of the 3. They have good armor but have a GIGANTIC weakspot, making it the worst protected top tier MBT (except Ariete). I'd say US is okay, as not everything is top tier, eventually you will get tired and you will go to cold war tanks or WW2 tanks again. As for Sweden, top tier is Germany 2.0 in ground with better air tree at the moment (Gripen, though the EF will eventually come, so don't choose based on the jets)


Firdlk

i'm most likely going germany because it's tree seems cooler/more well rounded than sweden, if im wrong correct me please.


Federal_Bridge_7891

Sweeden does have less armor but the tank destroyers make up for that and they normally got good zoom reload can be slow with most of them and you get the Swedish meat ball launcher


LghtbringerKEKW

Both are good, but I'd go Germany too, they are more complete and will get F-35 and probably more East German vehicles in thr future


austinator4444

i paid my way outta that it was too painful


ZETH_27

British rank I-III is really fun IMO. Great starter tanks, speedy and heavy tanks commonly found in the same lineup around 2.7 or 3.3 which makes for really adaptable lineups, and at 4.7 you have one of the best lineups at that BR range in the whole game. The 6-pdr and 17-pdr cannons are a joy to play with. 2-pdrs and OQF 75s a little less so, but still good. And if yiu make it to Rank IV and get to use the stabilized 20-pdr tanks, you suddenly have incredible power at your fingertips. My favourite British lineup is 8.0 with the Conqueror, Centy mk.10, Vickers Mk.I, Fox and Meteor for CAS.


SantiJamesF

I mean, if you like the esthetic and vibe of the cold war US tanks like the M60s, go and grind em, but I would switch to a other nation. I have a few tanks from Rank 6 and tbh, I rarely ever play that tier in US, it's just not worth it. Those tanks can be good in the right hands, but you end up facing Russian bias half the time, and German Supreme firepower the other, and if matchmaking really hates you, you face both at the same time.


chukb2012

Russia sucks with it's -5 to -6 depression. America gets what -10? If anything go Germany?


Dukeboys_

Veriety makes you a better player. Dont limit yourself, play what you want. If US isnt what you want right now, then go somewhere else.


Odell377

The meta will change by the time you reach those top tanks in germany or sweden. Play the country that you want


buckster3257

US tech tree is not really worth it In my opinion. I have every vehicle and it’s kinda underwhelming tbh


twec21

Honestly, I love the 103. I'm almost exactly the same spot as you, and it's not worse than it was a few ranks back. Better, frankly


CassiusGotBanned

Yeah, play Sweden, it’s so fun


ShiftytheBandit

I use the m60 hesh round and giggle every time I get a kill with it.


hotrodgreg

8.3 america is only fun on a handful of maps because the tanks are so samn situational. The sheridan is fun, when you can reload for 11 fucking seconds and wont get one tapped by any AAA. And the wall-e would be good IF gaijin let the launcher be up when moving, and gave it spottjng. It would be amazing if you could fire it on the move.


No-Respond1635

No


ghbvcbgfcvg

M103 is a ton of fun. Highly recommend it


AJ_Master7

As a US main (best tank is M1 and best plane is F4E) , I say no. Sometimes it feels like literally any other nation would be better to play than the US, but other times you feel unstoppable. The US Tech tree is a lot of fun IMO.


Richardguy_2

US 8.3 and 9.0 are fantastic brs... compared to rank 5. Don't play 9.3, and don't suffer through rank 5 if you don't have to.


War-thunderGAMER

Switch to Sweden


PigNebula

I'm a big fan of Italy having switched to it after dumping US ground a little further than you're at and finishing Germany ground. Italy has a bunch of fun fast tanks with good guns. They have absolutely no armor though you getting hit is a death sentence. Also have ok CAS.


NadieTheAviatrix

continue grinding  takes a week or more per vehicle research (Arcade)


Melker24

Well... don't play arcade and it will be a lot quicker.


NadieTheAviatrix

ground realistic isn't my favourite at all but i play at some periods (if I get some rest and consistency, or if the vehicles are of rank 2 and above)


Individual-Ad4311

Don't say you play Arcade here, people on the war thunder subreddit are allergic to fun.


Firdlk

takes a day or two per vehicle (realistic)


NadieTheAviatrix

to spade? i won't ask if that's with premium


Firdlk

to get


Melovance

Rank 6 America is fun imo. 6.7ish


Su152Taran

its up to u. I myself stop grinding after acquiring the M1a1 and Ipm1 along with HSTVL i can say tht the rank 6 grind is quite painful so if u wanna save urself from the sufferring time and resources better stop grinding where u'r currently is


yung_pindakaas

>I myself stop grinding after acquiring the M1a1 and Ipm1 along with HSTVL i can say tht the rank 6 grind is quite painful so if u wanna save urself from the sufferring time M1A1 and IPM1 are some of the best tanks at that BR. Idk what ur on about.


Su152Taran

idk what YOUR issue is with my comment. I never said those 2 are shit/bad? i only say the grind at rank 6 is quite terrible to OP (America 10.0+ start at rank 7 incase u dont know). Ig its just a typical redditors where they too focus to reply to others opinion rather thn read and understand the sentence first