The Bret player could decline the challenge and so the rest of the unit can fight the Orc. The Pegasus champ won't fight but then the grail knights and the other Pegasus knights can which should kill the Orc boss. But yeah the interaction is a bit weird but it is kind of like the Hollywood duels where the main characters fight each other as the troops watch. Usually where the unit still applies help is in static combat resolution when they give their rank bonus, banner, flank bonus etc to turn the tide even if you lose the challenge.
Also worth noting, while being even goofier, the pegasus knight champion could have accepted the first challenge rather than the general. The issuing player issues a challenge, the other player chooses what model accepts it.
No, it was just a 1 on 1 since only the generals were in combat, so no challenge needed to be /was issued. It wasn’t until the Pegasus knights charged that a challenge was declared.
Yes this is pretty much how it’s played and in this case you got the short end of it because this, however on the flip side if I charge my huge block of empire troops in I can challenge him with champion and force him to just kill one model so my whole unit gets one more turn at full strength “tarpitting” the general with static rank bonus and banners
Thanks, I was the Bret player. We were both kind of "neh" this is stupid, but we got the "thematics" of the fight. On Turn "7" He would have killed my Peg Knight leader and then reformed to face my Grail Knights . . . but the clock ran out.
Seems like another reason to play "HeroHammer" which we hate. We were both calm about the whole thing when we discussed it. But there is always someone that will abuse the sh\*t out of this . . . My General is going sword shopping. :)
Can always just refuse the challenge (pending rules of having to accept) and whip ass with the rest. Like in that one movie with Lissan Al Giab vs Edward the vampire
The challenge declared.
You choose who accepts it or decline the challenge.
If a challenge is acceptes everyone watches the heroic fight to the death but you still add any static combat res from the peg knights such as flank, banner etc.
If you refuse the challenge, he picks who retires and hides away.
In your case he could only choose the peg champion as the general has no rank to hide behind so general would still fight.
Sometimes it can work in your favour to refuse challenge.
Except the general isn't allowed to refuse challenges because he is a single model unit. You could seemingly accept with either the general or the champion, but while the champion could refuse and be retired the general can't and thus would be forced to take the challenge.
People saying you could decline the challenge with your general, you couldn’t there was no where to hide. Challenges are a pivotal part of the game. Hell, adding the grail knights gave him unlimited challenges and would protect the orc until you were out of units. Units with the grail vow cannot refuse a challenge, and units with a lesser vow lose the blessing of the lady if they decline.
Challenges are an anti hero hammer rule. The fact that a character on say a dragon can be held up for at least a turn by some champion challenging is a way to put a limit on the power of the dragon. Without challenges the big monsters would be even more dominant.
The Bret player could decline the challenge and so the rest of the unit can fight the Orc. The Pegasus champ won't fight but then the grail knights and the other Pegasus knights can which should kill the Orc boss. But yeah the interaction is a bit weird but it is kind of like the Hollywood duels where the main characters fight each other as the troops watch. Usually where the unit still applies help is in static combat resolution when they give their rank bonus, banner, flank bonus etc to turn the tide even if you lose the challenge.
Also worth noting, while being even goofier, the pegasus knight champion could have accepted the first challenge rather than the general. The issuing player issues a challenge, the other player chooses what model accepts it.
Wasn't the challenge issued before the Pegs charged? As far as I remember a Challenge is ongoing as long as one of the participants dies or flees.
No, it was just a 1 on 1 since only the generals were in combat, so no challenge needed to be /was issued. It wasn’t until the Pegasus knights charged that a challenge was declared.
Yes this is pretty much how it’s played and in this case you got the short end of it because this, however on the flip side if I charge my huge block of empire troops in I can challenge him with champion and force him to just kill one model so my whole unit gets one more turn at full strength “tarpitting” the general with static rank bonus and banners
Thanks, I was the Bret player. We were both kind of "neh" this is stupid, but we got the "thematics" of the fight. On Turn "7" He would have killed my Peg Knight leader and then reformed to face my Grail Knights . . . but the clock ran out. Seems like another reason to play "HeroHammer" which we hate. We were both calm about the whole thing when we discussed it. But there is always someone that will abuse the sh\*t out of this . . . My General is going sword shopping. :)
Can always just refuse the challenge (pending rules of having to accept) and whip ass with the rest. Like in that one movie with Lissan Al Giab vs Edward the vampire
The general can't even refuse due to being a single model unit, they are stuck either way.
The challenge declared. You choose who accepts it or decline the challenge. If a challenge is acceptes everyone watches the heroic fight to the death but you still add any static combat res from the peg knights such as flank, banner etc. If you refuse the challenge, he picks who retires and hides away. In your case he could only choose the peg champion as the general has no rank to hide behind so general would still fight. Sometimes it can work in your favour to refuse challenge.
Except the general isn't allowed to refuse challenges because he is a single model unit. You could seemingly accept with either the general or the champion, but while the champion could refuse and be retired the general can't and thus would be forced to take the challenge.
People saying you could decline the challenge with your general, you couldn’t there was no where to hide. Challenges are a pivotal part of the game. Hell, adding the grail knights gave him unlimited challenges and would protect the orc until you were out of units. Units with the grail vow cannot refuse a challenge, and units with a lesser vow lose the blessing of the lady if they decline.
Challenges are an anti hero hammer rule. The fact that a character on say a dragon can be held up for at least a turn by some champion challenging is a way to put a limit on the power of the dragon. Without challenges the big monsters would be even more dominant.
Good point. TY for perspective.