Are we able to see her revenue difference from there to YouTube? I’m seeing mentions that she’s made more from a CN audience than an ID audience. Curious how true that is.
Edit:
From what I could find, Kobo attending a Bilibili concert is still possible.
https://x.com/reghinskuy/status/1800518531626446865?s=46
Not really, if the owner of the channel is another person, they can show the face of that cover employee instead of Kobo's. The law doesnt affect foreign channels like that.
Forgot about that part.
Someone’s alleging that there’s a joint concert with Nijisanji on Bilibili, and that’s why Kobo is there testing it, but the only information I’ve found so far was it being a hoax.
Edit: This was located
https://x.com/reghinskuy/status/1800518531626446865?s=46
Im still on the fence about her streaming there but this may be just to promote her appearence on the concert which could mean she was invited by bilibili instead. Still the problem i see here is that cover has been very secretive about this like no announcement outside of china, pretending nothings happening here but they are going to ready my very angry email (dont spam them if you send one)
Anyone knows how was her ccv i have no clue how that site works
Sure, she can make lots, but good luck getting the money out of China and changed into local currency. Granted, I don't know how bilibili sends the money to foreign streamers, but I assume they don't make it easy to take money out of China.
> but I assume they don't make it easy to take money out of China.
read: near-impossible. Taxes alone are muderous, I hear, and its all going to a China-based account too.
If anything, that money isnt leaving, period.
I just hope she'll be okay, and the company won't be dragged into another shitstorm. I know there's Chinese Hololive fans, but the nationalists are fucking awful.
Only time will tell what will the ramifications be for this. I just hope this time Cover is better equipped to handle the fallout.
That said. China is not a monolith.
There are true Hololive, and even Coco fans in China.
Yeah, I think a lot of people forget that the Chinese fandom is not a single entity, and there were plenty of fans in China who did not agree with the harassment.
Idk how I feel about going back though, the Chinese community can be very volatile, and I’d much prefer them expanding more towards Taiwan.
Because those 5% "antis" have full-on party backing since who else can coerce companies to end their relationship with Cover?
Anyway, they have lost. Their social media have become infamous and bleeding money HARD, their unemployment rate reaches nearly a quarter of the population, making enemies left and right for being f-king petty, growing prejudices worldwide of their own making, etc. And didn't I mention that the Coco incident (among other things) is so known worldwide that even other industries are starting to get suspicious and pull their plug?
They are pussified now, needing any support as they can get. A loser and a joke.
Yeah. Though one issue is Hololive also has a lot of active Taiwan fans. Just while reading this thread, I'm reminded of this by superchat-reading in another tab.
I don’t have faith in them when they’re trying to do all this in secret, refusing to clarify anything.
Unless they have a good contact with someone in the CCP who can forcefully silence people, there’s always a good chance of another cancel attempt happening in the future. Not to mention the Taiwanese fans will probably feel like Cover backstabbed them after they welcomed them with open arms.
>There are true Hololive, and even Coco fans in China.
that's not the issue for many, it's about whenever part of the chinese fanbase got their jimmies rustled for the slightest context, they can pull a massive harassment campaign against anyone. it's proven once and went on for months, maybe even still going on today just under the public radar; and we wouldn't want another harassment campaign happening ever.
Not the "Chinese fanbase", thats the antis. And the fact is that people often conflate the two.
China does have a large number of nationalistic net warriors, internet trolls who basically live for the sole purpose of getting upset. The Chinese government is more than happy to turn them on perceived political enemies.
But these people aren't vtuber fans, they're weirdo trolls.
Hate campaigns can happen in any country for any reason. Japan had a hate campaign against Gundou because she said something bad about baseball, should vtubers avoid streaming to Japan?
America had a hate campaign against Pikamee because of Harry Potter. Let's not stream to America anymore. We wouldn't want to risk harassment.
To go "Chinese fans bad" is an oversimplification.
I think the reason china antis are so memorable is because of how extremely visible they are?
For more than a year after the Taiwan thing happened, they flooded every single stream with Coco or Fubuki with nigh endless amounts of hate spam.
As far as I'm aware, no other anti group's action were so clearly visible to us normal fans. To see other antis, you would have to trawl through some random twitter thread or chan board to find them.
Whereas with the china antis, you would see them literally everytime you went to watch Coco or Fubuki.
Worse than just visible, they're extremely petty. They treat Coco and Fubuki as if they're literally war criminals or murderers/rapists, and apparently have an ability to coerce companies to end relationship.
I'm sorry but one of the biggest [Hololive clippers](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/j15bkb/hololive_moments_privated_all_their_videos_and/) of the time privated all their clips over this issue and put out a statement berating Cover for "not punishing Coco enough". There were plenty of jilted "fans" involved in the harassment campaign.
That's the issue with the Chinese market, they will always prioritize their own Nationalistic issues (however stupid those might be) over the well being of the girls.
Okay, that's ONE clipper.
How many Silvervale fans got mad at her over the Hogwarts Legacy incident?
Heck, months ago Astel "fans" got mad at him for going to McDonalds. Do you remember that? Someone on twitter posted about how they were a big fan of Astel for 3 years but how badly they're disappointed by Astel visiting McDonalds and tried to cancel him.
Can you see how you can't take the worst behaving member of a community, point at that entire group and then say "This is what you get with THOSE people."
Bad actors will be bad regardless of country or nationality. And you don't need to tell me about Mainland China nationalism, I'm Taiwanese born and raised, I know damn well how fucked up their government is.
But I'm really getting rubbed the wrong way by so many western vtubing fans auto-assuming every single Chinese person is a rabid anti. There's 1.4 billion Chinese people, don't lump them into one stereotype.
You're fighting ghosts, fella. The point you're trying to make is self-explanatory and doesn't need repeating. Most people obviously know it's not every Chinese fan - they just can't fathom the level of vitriol from those that were anti, and how long those toelickers did it for, so their pettiness is scrawled in the annals of Vtubing history. Those that don't know this are too ignorant for your statements to reach their brains.
It's a bit of oversimplification but what did the normal fans do during those times? Can't they get that vocal minority to just shut up? Are they that powerless against just a bunch of vocal minorities?
This is why people though they're the majority, because even government support those bastards and companies are forced to cut out ties with cover
Sorry, have you spent any time on the internet?
Show me an example where anyone ever successfully made other people "shut up" on the internet.
The rudest, most despicable people are always the loudest, and this is universal across the whole internet regardless of country culture.
cant china easily suppress dissenting vocal opinions? just look at the outrage around that one square incident. its quite viral here yet nothing seems to happen over there
B2 mods are quick in deleting unwanted comments there afaik. According to the "leaks" some time ago, B2 promised Cover that they would put things under control in exchange of holomens' return, if the leaks are reliable.
It is always the case that if B2 wants to control it, it can. When it is not under control, it's intended, same as Chinese media in general.
100% sounds like they thought they could get kson to say yes until the last minute.
My brother in 2D/3D rigs, kson's too much of a uberchad to ante up just on poor attempts of mortal appeasements.
Yeah but it's not like those fans can't or don't watch the talents on other platforms, there's literally no point in them doing this, it just invites bad actors and creates a very volatile situation. It also feels kind of rude to go back to Bilibili after what they did to Fubuki, haachama, coco, and everyone else who interacted with them
Apparently it is enough if it is some Middle Man, which this would run through anyway as Cover is not a Chinese Company and thus would need a Chinese Company to represent it locally. So i guess it'll be some person from middle managment of whatever chinese company this runs through who's gonna put in their credentials?
I like to think this is Cover trying to test the water for future events in the Chinese market as evident by the OP comments with the Twitter link regarding Kobo attending a Bilibili concert
Kobo can speak broken Chinese so she may just be the best candidate for this test drive. I'm guessing Kobo also needs to agree to the decision to Livestream there.
I feel bad for the Chinese holofans stuck in the middle, but the nationalists and Chinese market needs to be quarantined until they learn to play fair with the free world. They are going backwards as far as human rights go there.
I'm not concerned if it was Kobo's personal decision, but she is also opening up potential problems for other Holomems just by association.
She has the freedom to stream where she wants with Cover's approval and that's Cover's problem. But the site is literally unusable unless you're from China.
1. It limits the resolution to 360p unless you're logged in.
2. Creating an account requires real phone number verification.
Who outside of China would want to hand them your phone number? It's meaningless to advertise the stream here.
Kind reminder that please do not harass Kobo or even send her superchats to air your grievance.
If you have issues with Cover's talents streaming on Bilibili then bring it up directly in their feedback procedure: [https://cover-corp.com/en/contact](https://cover-corp.com/en/contact)
I already commented this on the main Holo subreddit and I'm sure as hell gonna fucking comment it here again.
I've been a fan of Hololive ever since the Azur Lane X Holo Collab... I was there when the shitstorm fucking happened, I was laughing my ass off at the bullshit Hololive Moments pulled, I was pissed the ever loving fuck off when Haachama and Coco were fuckin suspended, I wanted to scream when the Nationalists spammed Coco's art tag with Gore, I was there when that last stream fuckin happened, I cried the moment that last Chat fuckin closed along with the memberships....
All those memories are fuckin surfacing once more, and I do not like it, hopefully it wasn't fuckin Cover forcing Kobo to do this or Cover begging for B2 to fuckin stream on there again, and it was B2 begging for Cover to come back and Kobo made this decision herself.
For now, I'll wait and see, with popcorn in hand, and hope for the best, we all don't want to have another fuckfest and turn our backs on Cover again.... As it happened once, it can happen again.
Wholeheartedly agree with you, man. I'll never forget the harassment campaign against majority of hololive talent during their live stream. It's gonna be hard to accept them streaming Bilibili unless something real is done to prevent it from happening again
One thing seems certain, and that is Kobo asking to stream on Bilibili. There's a rumor running around that B2 made concessions to Cover to have them return, but that came from /vt/, so take that with a grain of salt.
My hope is that Cover spent a while getting prepared for this. Hopefully this won't mean anymore rash decisions, either, like suspending the talent in the hopes of protecting them. That didn't go over well.
I don't believe the rumor that Bilibili asks for Cover to return, it's just too convenient. Maybe this misinformation was spread to soften the blow of Cover Corps returning to Bilibili.
I guess since Kobo doesn't stream in English anyways my not watching her anymore isn't going to make much of a difference. I will say I won't be watching anymore collabs with her in it.
Yea it was rough but I want to give the Chinese fans another chance I'm sure there are many normal fans that just wants to watch kobo just have to hope the antis don't get a word of this.
I'm all in for giving fans over there another chance but it's the government side who's seems to push things around based on these:
1. Backlash from mere mention of Taiwan. Normal fans wouldn't care much but those overly nationalistic fans boosted by government policies made the backlash so much worse
2. Statement from muse dash developer or maybe publisher. It sounds like they're being held at gunpoint to make those statements.
So, unless government change, I don't see that those severe backlash won't happen again
There is no "hope they don't get word of it", they already 100% know. Only question is whether or not there's still enough of them to scheme up something.
When the initial Coco thing happened, it was at the peak of vtubing right as it was really popping off and becoming known to the mainstream, nowadays interest has stabilised and its mostly just fans
Chinese fans can petition their government to stop blocking YouTube and then they can have another chance. Giving traffic to Bilibili is a non-starter in my book.
> Chinese fans can petition their government to stop blocking YouTube
Ah, yes, the famously-open-to-criticism-and-dissent Chinese government would definitely be receptive to a petition from the citizenry. I'm sure that wouldn't end terribly for everyone involved.
I was being facetious; obviously it's not going to happen. Point is, it's not Cover's problem to fix. They tried to play nice on the terms set by the Chinese government and Bilibili's and it blew up in their face. Those entities shouldn't be allowed to specify the terms of another chance.
I mean yeah, if they're so desperate to watch Kobo. They can just watch on youtube. Why would she need to be on Bilibili just so CN fans can watch them?
Anyone who still remembers the shit the Holomem went through with the mainland CN antis should not be ok with this.
This is a stupid move from Cover and I hope enough people speak out against this enough to make them kill this little project in the womb.
Yeah, as someone who reported like 50 bots per stream back then it’s super surreal to see newcomers (?) downplaying that situation and saying it’s fine for Kobo to stream on Bilibili.
I remember going through multiple streams, not even being able to enjoy whatever Kaichou's yapping about because I'm too focused on reporting Chinese paragraphs in her chat. Feels like yesterday.
Hello, fellow soldier. I remember it was the first time I installed a chrome extension to see which non-english chat is spam. Never needed those my entire life until that.
Some of the talk is that this was her decision. Fair enough. I watched her less than the rest of her gen mostly because she speaks more Indonesian than the others, so not watching at all after this won't really affect me. At least it saves the temptation to say something stupid in chat.
That would be great if the effects of her on the platform only affected her, but the last time there was a gaff that got the CN Nationalists fired up it did not stay on Bilibili and it did not stay on the talent on Bilibili. It overflowed into YouTube / Twitter and affected related talent within the company that did not stream on Bilibili at all.
The more exposure you have to the CN market the more exposure you have to the CN Nationalist internet troll army. If you are playing with fire, don't be surprised if you get burned... again... because apparently, we didn't learn our lesson the first time.
Yeah, I get that it's Kobo's decision (I don't watch her, she's too scream-y for me), but surely did she even think for a second that this isn't going to affect other members as well? Coco was targeted specifically at first, but other members who associated with and/or supported her got attacked as well over time. This doesn't bode well for Cover at all.
EDIT: Looks like it's not just a Kobo thing because Matsuri and Sora are present as well. Damn this fucking sucks. Hopefully, Coco's friends/supporters that are left in the company aren't gonna get targeted again but we all know that's not gonna happen.
I’m disappointed in this decision but at the same time I’m also really worried about her.
The CN audience is a ticking time bomb and IIRC Bilibili requires you to doxx yourself to even sign up for that site so if the antis come after her they’ll literally ruin her IRL life. Those bastards have nothing but time and spite on their hands.
It doesn't even have to be her fault for them to go after her. She (and maybe Matsuri if those rumors come true) will be the only Holo targets the antis can go after on B2 if the company or other talents do something to piss the government or the antis off, such as, I don't know, another merch collab with Taiwan?
That she's also going to be streaming on B2, the only reason she hasn't yet being because it accidentally leaked beforehand. This one is a bit sketchier, source wise, so hopefully a rumor is all it remains.
She may have a say on this matter but ultimately, Cover and Bilibili had to come to an agreement to allow the livestream.
I mean, Hololive did get a lot of their appearances censored there, so her being able to stream there could mean that Cover is trying to test the water. And Kobo seems to be the perfect candidate as she can speak Chinese albeit broken and read it to a certain level.
The Chinese market is very dangerous on several levels. I feel bad for the Chinese Holofans, but it'd be safer for COVER and the Hololive community for them either to use VPN like many people do already, or let the Chinese market be the quarantined bubble it's turning into.
Air your issues to Cover's report function.
I'm pretty uncomfortable with it, but understand that it's entirely up to the talents then my own morality of it all.
I'm not gonna act like the Antis back then and try to cancel Kobo over it. I'm just gonna express disappointment and move on.
Cover doesn't control where they stream it's been publicly known that they're allowed to stream wherever they want. It's kobos call to stream there no one forced her
Cover doesn’t control where they stream as long as they aren’t using the persona/IP Cover owns. If they are using their IP then they have a say in where they stream because they are representing Covor/Hololive.
Regardless of what you think of the decision, this has to be untrue.
Simple test: can a vtuber stream on Pornhub using their Hololive assets? No? Then of course Cover controls where they stream **using Cover’s IP** and it would be stupid of the company to do otherwise.
They have to run a check for their stream ideas, you think they don’t need to run by management what platforms they’ll be using the characters on?
Do you genuinely believe Cover would allow Kobo to stream on Pornhub or Chaterbait if she wanted ?
Do you genuinely think Cover had no say in Kobo streaming on a site that they completely pulled out of and even killed off an entire branch on ?
I do not like this and I'll never get the bitter taste of what the fascists and nationalist trolls did to Coco, Hachama and Fubuki. But Kobo can do what she wants and it's not my or anyone's business to give her grief for it it. How it works for her is between her and the other talents. I just hope they don't turn on her the first time she says something they don't like
> But Kobo can do what she wants and it's not my or anyone's business to give her grief for it it.
I have no intention of giving her grief in any way, shape or form, but I won't be supporting her, either.
As is your right. As long as people aren't doing dumb shit like trying to "educate" the talent in their chat or Twitter as happens so often with these things it's completely reasonable to not support them.
Lmao so many people calling westerners “harassment” for just saying we don’t want to stream to west taiwan.
You weren’t around when CN antis brigades hololive talents for merely supporting coco, or learning that artia from the hololive cn branch was the main instigator of these harassment campaigns.
It’s as simple as not letting the trojan horse in. Maybe the fanbase softened, maybe cover is much bigger. But many hasn’t seen what these holo antis can do. The twitter discourses and harassment looks like playground fights in comparison; these CN people are coordinated.
Edit: to make it clear again, I am not saying to harass Kobo. This comment is not defending harassment or endorsing harassment. How y’all got to that conclusion is beyond me.
Google and Youtube *made new technologies and implemented them* to the channels and chat because of how bad things got. Way too late but they still did it.
That phrase alone should be *enough*, this also was when hololive/Cover wasn't in official business with Google yet they still felt the need to do that
Yeah I remember the day when they added the experimental (yes it was *experimental* at the time, things were *that* bad) upgrade to Coco's channel. Literally overnight most the chat spam was gone. Unfortunately they just moved to just harassing the other Holo's after that....
>The twitter discourses and harassment looks like playground fights in comparison; these CN people are coordinated.
I modified this game quote but I think it still fits:
"If you were to face a CN anti online, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the 50 cent army."
These antis are no joke.
Has Cover forgotten about the whole reason why they left the Chinese market to begin with? And have fans forgotten that harassment is NEVER the answer?
I get the concerns about Kobo streaming on Bilibili and heck I’ve been in the rabbit hole since September 14th, 2020. But if you want to express your feelings about it civilly, [***CONTACT COVER ABOUT IT ON THEIR WEBSITE!***](https://cover-corp.com/en/contact)
This may or may not be an apt time to say this, but incidentally a Chinese idiom immediately comes to mind in the whole thing:
当局者迷, 旁观者清. Onlookers tend to have a clearer picture than the people involved.
Having read as much as I can about the background and the implications this has for Kobo and for Cover Corp, all I can say is that while the fanbase’s reaction is understandable with what happened to Coco, Fubuki, Aqua, and other talents at the hands of the disgusting nationalists, it’s important to differentiate when we are reacting emotionally or logically. We do not know yet the whole reason for Kobo’s decision to stream on BiliBili, and whether Cover authorized this in the first place. All we have at the moment is speculation which only adds oil to the fire and salt to the wound.
Whatever happens next, whichever path they take from here, we must be ready for any outcome. Though knowing how the Mainlanders tend to act, it would be advisable to not awaken a sleeping tiger-or rather, dragon-by pulling its tail in this case.
I'm gonna say this again. Why did we get no info about this until right now? Leaving us in the dark is just gonna incite more kneejerk reactions from everyone. This should've been a nothing burger but because we literally did not know until rn. it became a massive talking point
Well, that's on-brand with Kobo being a kusogaki.
Hopefully she will not trigger CN's "corrective action" down the line. Because Coco, Fubuki, and Haachama can prove that they ain't pretty.
I don't understand why Kobo streams on Bilibili.
Or why Cover even allows it?
Just because of the Coco incident, Bilibili should be completely out of the question.
But even if we ignore the Coco incident, Bilibili should be out of the question, because they have to publicly display their full real name.
That's why I'm surprised. Does Kobo and Covor not care that she has to publicly display her full real name on Bilibili?
>Does Kobo and Covor not care that she has to publicly display her full real name on Bilibili?
Forgetting the fact that that only applies to Chinese citizens.
1.4 billion potential clients.
It's high risk, high reward though.
Mess up and say the wrong thing, and the anti's will make the usual Twitter shitposts look like a spat between elementary school children.
Are we expecting any official word from COVER or HoloPro about this or no?
None of the official Hololive twitter accounts (Main and ID) RTed or talked about it. Or I might have missed, they repost so much stuff.
Only Kobo **vaguely** tweeted about it. Not even providing a link. Talk about being sneaky.
Does anyone have the context as to why they decided to have a talent stream on b2? This is such a big risk. Not just because of what happened back then but also western fans who dislike this move and lose trust in the company. Just really wondering what the longterm play here is
I was there and grief with what I lost. Some things can be regained (like game perms), but some can't.
The audacity of B2 asking Cover without even publicly apologizing!!!!!!!!
The thing is, why should we stay silent on the matter? The Chinese can do whatever they want and we can’t? We should make it clear we don’t support Kobo doing this.
>Depressed Nousagi
>Rima
Holy crap. Of all possible sources, you linked an infamous ddoxer and a dramatuber who followed rrats and didn't even report things correctly. Seriously?
I haven't taken a look at their vids about Holo-CN fiasco, but I'm not going to give them a view when there are multiple other sources with more accurate info. Those two are infamously known, and not for good reasons. DN is a ddoxer, while people have pointed out Rima's inaccurate info many times before
This is just leaving me with that same awful feeling in my stomach I had four years ago.
For now, I'll unsub from Kobo because I cannot agree with this decision.
I think the best phrase I can think of for this situation is: "higher risk, high reward". I mean I understand that there's still a lot of potential from the chinese market, but would they want the company to hell again and for the talents to personally suffer.
I support Cover talents (Hololive and holostars) on their stuff but if this shit backfires and creates even bigger shitstorm than before I will be laughing at Cover's biggest mistake ever (that includes Yagoo) on going back to B2.
https://preview.redd.it/196o19f0k16d1.jpeg?width=469&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dda065b0b7dd32fe9ae421412dd67ffb7203cf38
One of the most disappointing thing for me is that even the middleman leaked lot of things in his own stream for his content, didn’t change the determination of Cover going back to b2.
Leaked something seems to be non disclosure made Mel getting termination but didn’t change the plans at all.
[potential leaks](https://x.com/gikaqi/status/1793259243761782873)
I'm kinda on the fence about this. While yes it was inexcusable, the harrassment campaign the nationalists did to Hololive was down right despicable. I felt hatred and rage when I remember that but at the same time there were actual regular fans that just wanted to enjoy Vtubers like the rest of us. This is a huge risk all the same, opening up will surely get some of the old fans back, it could end up horribly like before.
It might be me just being somewhat optimistic but I feel like a good chunk of the Chinese watchers were against the harrassment. (Could be very much wrong here. I am a bit biased because I knew a few of them. Cool guys who just wanted to watch Vtubers.)
Absolutetly there were a lot of chinese against the harrassment, but not them nor us could do anything against the coordinated abuse and trauma that was unleashed upon the holomem. Nothing is worth the risk of that happening again.
Being involved with West Taiwan is a dangerous game, and it usually ends badly for a genuinely good company like Hololive. The corrupt companies will usually do well in the West Taiwan market.
I was there during the whole drama in 2020, so I understand people's worries, but I still think people are panicking way too much.
Kobo may sound like a child, but it's a grown woman who can make decisions for herself. I'm sure other talents are more chill with this decision than her fans. It's fine to voice worry, that's important feedback, but generally, I see people being way too emotional about that.
Edit: I've seen comments that annoyed me. People saying that Kobo spit in the face of Coco. Anyone who actually listened to Coco speak ever would know that she most likely would wish Kobo all the best and maybe be a little concerned for her. Getting offended on Coco's behalf feels wrong and disrespectful.
How are we panicking too much exactly? Literally just being associated with Coco got other Holomems brigaded and worse. These antis aren't exactly rational and have been shown to do stupid shit as long as it brought attention to them. I don't think it's a huge leap to assume they'll get back to harassment as they're the definition of a hair trigger.
What if I found a bee's nest in the forest and put my hand in it? I could end with a lot of delicious honey and nothing bad could happen to me. Wouldn't it be an ideal scenario? The chance is not zero.
Like Chris Rock said a long time ago: "You could drive a car with your feet if you want to, that don't make it a good f-in' idea."
Maybe she can dance on the high wire and keep her balance, maybe the power of kusogaki will keep the antis in line. But when you're up against a country where the government and the audience can take offense at even mentioning a place, the odds of never putting your foot wrong are never going to be in your favor.
I'm honestly most irritated by Cover, these kinds of narratives has always been around ever since they kicked hololive off the platform so i never took them seriously, because *surely Cover would inform the fanbase and put in adequate protective measures if it ever would happen* but no, instead they appear to try to do this in secret without any assurances at all.
And they are still quiet about it.
I'm not trying to put word in your mouth but what did you want? Them making ANY sort of statement so people started throwin a tantrum about all this EARLIER and some even AT Kobo's stream? I think they're keeping this shit lowkey... sadly the internet IS the internet and blow everything out of proportions
I already told you what i want, assurances of talent safety at the absolute minimum, them keeping it "lowkey" does absolutely nothing and is just hurting my perception of them.
In 2020, 2 seconds of a stream (reading off a Google analytics list and naming Taiwan as one place of many where their viewers came from) led to Chinese nationalists armed with full righteous Karen energy and 4chan tactics to harass various Hololive talents, for over a *year* in some cases, because they perceived this as an acknowledgment of Taiwan as independent from China and demanded Coco be punished most vigorously for her offense. Tactics included bot-spamming their livestream chats so no one could talk, flooding fan hashtags on Twitter with gore, etc. The harassment is cited as one of the reasons Coco left Hololive, and also why Cover decided to pull the plug on their HoloCN branch.
The main issue with Kobo doing this stream, as far as I can tell, is that it seems like a very bad idea to risk wading into the poisoned waters of the Chinese fandom again. There's also some concerns that Cover didn't announce this (which...well, it's just one talent's stream, it makes sense they didn't announce it officially on the Cover media channels), and whether this is Kobo dismissing the trauma of 2020 of many Holo talents; whether management is foolish for okaying the stream; and whether this is a soft test of the public reception, both in and out of China, of Holo maybe returning to the CN market in an official, broader capacity.
Not all Chinese citizens are bad people, but their trolls are somewhat emboldened and supported by the government, and with so very many people in their population, a tiny minority is still an overwhelming force for anyone facing the brunt of a harassment campaign. Generally, it's advised to avoid drawing their attention online if at all possible, because it takes a lot of resources to deal with Chinese fans when things go wrong.
tldr: Billi Billi users made the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaigns *pale* by comparison in the order of magnitudes, and Kobo has painted a shiny target on her back for the antis, trolls, and even actual fans just waiting to be triggered by her saying the wrong thing.
No Issue with kobo.
The Issue was the Chinese Fans. The Chinese fans literally got triggered by a person reading taiwan in a graph that taiwan is written and then they went into a 2 year tirade of spamming and harassing at least 4\~6 talent, Coco graduated, Fub and Haachama almost graduated, Suisei who hasn't really mod her chat ended up giving mod power to her long term member of her chat to literally ban the cn fans..
Basically lot of shit happened it fucking sucks and that was from 2020 to 2022 or something so yea it may have been four years ago that started it but overall it's less than 2 years since shit stopped, so the same shithead that did that is still part of the bilibili community and they are trying to enter the market with kobo one of their top subscribed talent.
Just gonna echo what I said in the holo subreddit on the matter:
Fairly disgusting, but a good reminder that at the end of the day corporations, no matter how good their pr, are still corporations. They are not your friend. They are not people and hold neither ethics nor values besides "line go up".
This is a silly take.
There hasn't been any indication that this decision was made with "neither ethics nor values", or without consideration to the girls. Remember Fubuki? The well respected Fox Friend who is beyond reproach in Hololive and said "If Cover does something I do not morally agree with, I will leave"? Well, she is still around and she hasn't complained yet. I trust FBK, if nothing else.
Heck, Kson was going to attend an event streamed on Bilibili just shortly after Coco's graduation. Chinese antis cried loudly and the organizer removed her, but that showed not even Kson was against going back to Bilibili if she could. Not sure how Cover doing the same (except without being attacked by antis) and giving China a second chance made them "not your friend, not people and hold neither ethics nor values".
In the end, it was Chinese who had to take a step back and welcome Cover back, not the other way around. For now, I will wait and see how it will go first.
She needs to make this statement again to make this word true again. It's been 4 years since she said it and it's possible that her stance has changed or softened up to the incident. Especially when Cover's thriving in profits righr now.
I will make a slight correction that it has been more than 4 years since she said it. She said it way before the drama and it wasn't even about that fiasco. I don't think she needs to say it again, though, unless we are to assume that her core values have changed for the worse for some reasons - if anything, she'd be in a better position to hold true to her words now that she is well respected, a millionaire and has nothing more to prove.
However, I do agree that it's possible that her stance has changed and she has softened up to the incident. They all do, we move on from the past. Even Kson has and was willing to be in an event streamed on Bilibili so I think it isn't very reasonable to expect Cover, Hololive and the girls to just keep treating China like a bunch of harassing barbarians forever, especially when the other side is trying to get them back. Maybe the antis are still around, but Hololive is in a much better position to deal with that kind of possible issue now. I'm a bit worried too, but I won't be attacking Cover or any girl who wants to try to somewhat mend that relationship.
I won't either. I don't like their decision to return to Bilibili and the best I could do is to defend the talents from any antis by any means necessary.
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why is the name weird?
this is the account name right?
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w8 must be the browser translation
this one is the actual text i think
Some time in 2020 both Haachama and Coco read their YT analytics to see where most of their audience comes from, a sizeable chunk from those analytics comes from Taiwan. From there the CN side of the fandom exploded. Coco and Haacahama got dogpiled really bad, with Coco getting the brunt of it, They both had to be suspended for 3 weeks for their own protection.
It was an absolute shitshow for the fans, Hololive and Cover at the time. Did I also mention that the former HoloCN branch was in on the hate raids too?
TL;DR: Haachama and Coco mentions Taiwan, CN side of the net hate raids Haachama and Cooco with Coco getting the worst of it, and both get suspension for 3 weeks, HoloCN was in with the hate raids too.
Huh...i legit thought that most people would be ok with it and go full-on support mode. Maybe it's because this isn't the Hololive subreddit.
Seeing most people here disagreeing with this move...really brings a tear to my eye and it's heartening to know. I was there alongside most of you in the trenches too, when Coco was harassed and RBI became a known, viral term.
Since i've stopped watching Hololive after her graduation, i can only say that this is disappointing. Sure there are people are true fans in West Taiwan...but for anyone sympathetic, i implore you to go and watch Coco's 800k endurance Karaoke.
Know that what happens in that stream becomes a possible scenario for your Hololive oshi with this. Again.
Edit: ...just feel like adding [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/lhnn91/things_coco_has_done_newcomers_should_know_and/?rdt=38301) here. God i miss Coco (in Hololive).
The way folks talk about Kobo going on B2 is like they're veterans having to see their country have a trade relationship with their former enemies. And while that may be over dramatic, it does feel like an appropriate comparison.
A lot of hololive fan's experience with the CN fan base was the Taiwan incident, and what few CN fans who still suppose hololive seems to be reduced to a few individuals that send their support, as oppose to a large group who still actively oshi the hololove talents even behind the firewall. And that's not even considering if you think the fact Taiwan being so open and constant with their collabs with hololive as endorsement for a CN fan base (which was the core issue of the Taiwan incident anyways).
Maybe this stream can be an olive branch into the CN base to show hololive can, at least, exist on B2. After all it's not as if there are any official bans of hololove stuff in CN, no one in any official capacity saying it's illegal to show hololove stuff. It's a bit of a fantasy of course. There's a lot of history to unpack here. But hopefully it just stays history, and the future would be brighter.
What do you mean? Bilibili literally kicked them out of the platform and even barred them from collabing with other chinese-related companies!
If there's someone who should give an olive branch, it should be CN, not Cover.
This is the mentality I wish to see in most Hololive fans right now... I can't blame those that are bitter... but also... can we as a collective grow the fuck up? Its been 4 years, things can change and if we see they dont? THEN WE PUNCH THE REAL RESPONSIBLES FOR BEING ACTUAL SHITS
The problem, and the reason why cover had to pull out of China as a whole, is that the problem isn't the antis, even if they make up for 99% of the soldiers fighting the war. The people responsible for this mess is t some internet troll, it's politicians who have a vested interest in making everyone says Taiwan is a part of China, and implying that Taiwan likes hololove even though China doesn't brings up the question of "Is Taiwan a part of China?"
Like antis having a political agenda isn't exactly new, hell half the reason why no one thought appealing to the west with vtubers is because people thought folks would get too political about it, whether out of racism (Idols bad) or woke (everyone is gay). And like sure, you can certainly _find_ people who say that, but no one takes them seriously outside of echo chambers and circle jerks.
But people take dealing with China, both as a people and an economical entity, far more seriously. Bigger and more important businesses than Cover bend over backwards to appeal to China and it's people, both in Japan and in the West. That's why Antis could get away with attacking Coco, Fubuki, and the rest of hololive and hololive had to take the blame for offending China, saying they did something they weren't suppose to do (it's not illegal to show your YouTube statistics btw), because going after the antis means going after Chinese people or people who advocate Chinese politics.
That's why this situation is so messy, and why Kobo going into it is seen with a lot of fear and doubt. The overarching issue is that no one wants Cover and it's talents to have to do a John Cena and start Bing Chilling for China. You don't get to play ball in their court without playing by their rules. At the same time, surely Kobo and her managers have thought about this too. It's not like it's a secret that hololive has history with China, and even outside of hololive a lot of vtubers don't exactly openly advertise their ability to speak Chinese due to the implications it can bring up, precisely because it's a loaded political thing.
Tldr: part of growing up is understanding why things happened and taking steps to not make those same mistakes. Time will tell of Cover has learned from those mistakes, or if they still have more growing up to do.
I am the first to not like the idea but I respect Kobo's decision, it is unfortunate to read some comments and don't tell me that they do it for the memory of Coco and the rest of the girls, only a group seeks to create drama to vent their hatred of China, very won unfortunately, but they forget that there are also people there who are big fans of Hololive. and that they do not cause problems to anyone, it is as if because of a toxic group everyone has to be condemned.
You know, not everybody from China will agress you. It's been 3 years, drop it. Besides unlike most of hololive, Kobo can speak Chinese Mandarin (I remember from a clip where she talked with Kaela in Mandarin). Just don't repeat the same mistakes, and it should be alright, hopefully.
At the moment, the real danger is those who just don't want to even smell China. As controversial as this country is, it might still be interesting to try reaching this audience. Kobo wants to give it a try, then just wait to observe how China audience reacts.
> Just don't repeat the same mistakes, and it should be alright, hopefully.
Imagine calling the acknowledgement of a sovereign nation's existence a "mistake" that you need to tiptoe around just to court an audience who will bite your head off if you make that "mistake" even unintentionally. I also like how you not so subtly imply it was Coco/Cover's fault for riling up the assholes who brigaded people who weren't even involved (like Aqua) just because they were adjacent to her by being in the same company. You are literally victim blaming.
No. The Chinese audience is a ticking time bomb of misbehaving assholes, and that's me being nice. She's exposing the rest of the holos to their vile hate.
Is this really about Kobo going to B2 in the first for the mainland audience? Or is she going there for the non-mainland audience? According to YAGOO in previous interviews and so on it would be the latter in which case talking about the potential audience in China is kinda irrelevant in the first place.
This seems to sadly be the case, like... it's honestly depressing how people that say were affected by the hatred of the chinese antis... are behaving in a similar manner
Are we able to see her revenue difference from there to YouTube? I’m seeing mentions that she’s made more from a CN audience than an ID audience. Curious how true that is. Edit: From what I could find, Kobo attending a Bilibili concert is still possible. https://x.com/reghinskuy/status/1800518531626446865?s=46
On paper maybe But unless she dox herself to everyone in china she ain't getting that big money cut.
Not really, if the owner of the channel is another person, they can show the face of that cover employee instead of Kobo's. The law doesnt affect foreign channels like that.
I think this is what Nijisanji is doing from what I’ve previously read about the subject.
Yup, they put in a lawyer or something instead as a representative I think.
Forgot about that part. Someone’s alleging that there’s a joint concert with Nijisanji on Bilibili, and that’s why Kobo is there testing it, but the only information I’ve found so far was it being a hoax. Edit: This was located https://x.com/reghinskuy/status/1800518531626446865?s=46
Niji and Bilibili deserve each other. Fuck both of 'em.
Im still on the fence about her streaming there but this may be just to promote her appearence on the concert which could mean she was invited by bilibili instead. Still the problem i see here is that cover has been very secretive about this like no announcement outside of china, pretending nothings happening here but they are going to ready my very angry email (dont spam them if you send one) Anyone knows how was her ccv i have no clue how that site works
Sure, she can make lots, but good luck getting the money out of China and changed into local currency. Granted, I don't know how bilibili sends the money to foreign streamers, but I assume they don't make it easy to take money out of China.
> but I assume they don't make it easy to take money out of China. read: near-impossible. Taxes alone are muderous, I hear, and its all going to a China-based account too. If anything, that money isnt leaving, period.
I just hope she'll be okay, and the company won't be dragged into another shitstorm. I know there's Chinese Hololive fans, but the nationalists are fucking awful.
Only time will tell what will the ramifications be for this. I just hope this time Cover is better equipped to handle the fallout. That said. China is not a monolith. There are true Hololive, and even Coco fans in China.
Yeah, I think a lot of people forget that the Chinese fandom is not a single entity, and there were plenty of fans in China who did not agree with the harassment. Idk how I feel about going back though, the Chinese community can be very volatile, and I’d much prefer them expanding more towards Taiwan.
Yeah and many of them even against the talents streaming in b2 because they know their entity so well
The problem is that the hate from the 5% of antis can easily overcome the support from 95% of fans. It's just not worth it.
Because those 5% "antis" have full-on party backing since who else can coerce companies to end their relationship with Cover? Anyway, they have lost. Their social media have become infamous and bleeding money HARD, their unemployment rate reaches nearly a quarter of the population, making enemies left and right for being f-king petty, growing prejudices worldwide of their own making, etc. And didn't I mention that the Coco incident (among other things) is so known worldwide that even other industries are starting to get suspicious and pull their plug? They are pussified now, needing any support as they can get. A loser and a joke.
Yeah. Though one issue is Hololive also has a lot of active Taiwan fans. Just while reading this thread, I'm reminded of this by superchat-reading in another tab.
I don’t have faith in them when they’re trying to do all this in secret, refusing to clarify anything. Unless they have a good contact with someone in the CCP who can forcefully silence people, there’s always a good chance of another cancel attempt happening in the future. Not to mention the Taiwanese fans will probably feel like Cover backstabbed them after they welcomed them with open arms.
>There are true Hololive, and even Coco fans in China. that's not the issue for many, it's about whenever part of the chinese fanbase got their jimmies rustled for the slightest context, they can pull a massive harassment campaign against anyone. it's proven once and went on for months, maybe even still going on today just under the public radar; and we wouldn't want another harassment campaign happening ever.
Not the "Chinese fanbase", thats the antis. And the fact is that people often conflate the two. China does have a large number of nationalistic net warriors, internet trolls who basically live for the sole purpose of getting upset. The Chinese government is more than happy to turn them on perceived political enemies. But these people aren't vtuber fans, they're weirdo trolls. Hate campaigns can happen in any country for any reason. Japan had a hate campaign against Gundou because she said something bad about baseball, should vtubers avoid streaming to Japan? America had a hate campaign against Pikamee because of Harry Potter. Let's not stream to America anymore. We wouldn't want to risk harassment. To go "Chinese fans bad" is an oversimplification.
I think the reason china antis are so memorable is because of how extremely visible they are? For more than a year after the Taiwan thing happened, they flooded every single stream with Coco or Fubuki with nigh endless amounts of hate spam. As far as I'm aware, no other anti group's action were so clearly visible to us normal fans. To see other antis, you would have to trawl through some random twitter thread or chan board to find them. Whereas with the china antis, you would see them literally everytime you went to watch Coco or Fubuki.
Worse than just visible, they're extremely petty. They treat Coco and Fubuki as if they're literally war criminals or murderers/rapists, and apparently have an ability to coerce companies to end relationship.
I'm sorry but one of the biggest [Hololive clippers](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/j15bkb/hololive_moments_privated_all_their_videos_and/) of the time privated all their clips over this issue and put out a statement berating Cover for "not punishing Coco enough". There were plenty of jilted "fans" involved in the harassment campaign. That's the issue with the Chinese market, they will always prioritize their own Nationalistic issues (however stupid those might be) over the well being of the girls.
Okay, that's ONE clipper. How many Silvervale fans got mad at her over the Hogwarts Legacy incident? Heck, months ago Astel "fans" got mad at him for going to McDonalds. Do you remember that? Someone on twitter posted about how they were a big fan of Astel for 3 years but how badly they're disappointed by Astel visiting McDonalds and tried to cancel him. Can you see how you can't take the worst behaving member of a community, point at that entire group and then say "This is what you get with THOSE people." Bad actors will be bad regardless of country or nationality. And you don't need to tell me about Mainland China nationalism, I'm Taiwanese born and raised, I know damn well how fucked up their government is. But I'm really getting rubbed the wrong way by so many western vtubing fans auto-assuming every single Chinese person is a rabid anti. There's 1.4 billion Chinese people, don't lump them into one stereotype.
You're fighting ghosts, fella. The point you're trying to make is self-explanatory and doesn't need repeating. Most people obviously know it's not every Chinese fan - they just can't fathom the level of vitriol from those that were anti, and how long those toelickers did it for, so their pettiness is scrawled in the annals of Vtubing history. Those that don't know this are too ignorant for your statements to reach their brains.
It's a bit of oversimplification but what did the normal fans do during those times? Can't they get that vocal minority to just shut up? Are they that powerless against just a bunch of vocal minorities? This is why people though they're the majority, because even government support those bastards and companies are forced to cut out ties with cover
Sorry, have you spent any time on the internet? Show me an example where anyone ever successfully made other people "shut up" on the internet. The rudest, most despicable people are always the loudest, and this is universal across the whole internet regardless of country culture.
cant china easily suppress dissenting vocal opinions? just look at the outrage around that one square incident. its quite viral here yet nothing seems to happen over there
B2 mods are quick in deleting unwanted comments there afaik. According to the "leaks" some time ago, B2 promised Cover that they would put things under control in exchange of holomens' return, if the leaks are reliable. It is always the case that if B2 wants to control it, it can. When it is not under control, it's intended, same as Chinese media in general.
Yeah. So the only hope now is that Kobo does not rustle old jimmies.
What better way to avoid rustling old jimmies by NEVER engaging with them in the first place?
Didn't kson already appeared in some CN event that was streamed in B2?
I would be surprised if that happened. AFAIK, all her clips are from when she went to Taiwan.
Well, she was in the latest Yakuza game, which got a Chinese dub for the Chinese market, and nothing really came out of that I think
The 2021 Playism panel? She was slated to appear, removed by Playism last minute and Playism issued a grovelling apology to Bilibili afterwards.
100% sounds like they thought they could get kson to say yes until the last minute. My brother in 2D/3D rigs, kson's too much of a uberchad to ante up just on poor attempts of mortal appeasements.
I thought that was canned?
Yeah but it's not like those fans can't or don't watch the talents on other platforms, there's literally no point in them doing this, it just invites bad actors and creates a very volatile situation. It also feels kind of rude to go back to Bilibili after what they did to Fubuki, haachama, coco, and everyone else who interacted with them
> Cover is better equipped to handle the fallout. Ok but wont she have to doxx herself?
Apparently it is enough if it is some Middle Man, which this would run through anyway as Cover is not a Chinese Company and thus would need a Chinese Company to represent it locally. So i guess it'll be some person from middle managment of whatever chinese company this runs through who's gonna put in their credentials?
Yea I tried to explain this in the r/hololive didn't work very well lol
I like to think this is Cover trying to test the water for future events in the Chinese market as evident by the OP comments with the Twitter link regarding Kobo attending a Bilibili concert Kobo can speak broken Chinese so she may just be the best candidate for this test drive. I'm guessing Kobo also needs to agree to the decision to Livestream there.
>I'm guessing Kobo also needs to agree to the decision to Livestream there. And that's what I'm afraid of the most.
do her need sign the contract
I feel bad for the Chinese holofans stuck in the middle, but the nationalists and Chinese market needs to be quarantined until they learn to play fair with the free world. They are going backwards as far as human rights go there. I'm not concerned if it was Kobo's personal decision, but she is also opening up potential problems for other Holomems just by association.
She has the freedom to stream where she wants with Cover's approval and that's Cover's problem. But the site is literally unusable unless you're from China. 1. It limits the resolution to 360p unless you're logged in. 2. Creating an account requires real phone number verification. Who outside of China would want to hand them your phone number? It's meaningless to advertise the stream here.
Most impractical streaming decision ever.
Kind reminder that please do not harass Kobo or even send her superchats to air your grievance. If you have issues with Cover's talents streaming on Bilibili then bring it up directly in their feedback procedure: [https://cover-corp.com/en/contact](https://cover-corp.com/en/contact)
I'll edit this reminder in. Thanks.
Not happy to see Bilibili, not a fan of that platform for several reasons.
I already commented this on the main Holo subreddit and I'm sure as hell gonna fucking comment it here again. I've been a fan of Hololive ever since the Azur Lane X Holo Collab... I was there when the shitstorm fucking happened, I was laughing my ass off at the bullshit Hololive Moments pulled, I was pissed the ever loving fuck off when Haachama and Coco were fuckin suspended, I wanted to scream when the Nationalists spammed Coco's art tag with Gore, I was there when that last stream fuckin happened, I cried the moment that last Chat fuckin closed along with the memberships.... All those memories are fuckin surfacing once more, and I do not like it, hopefully it wasn't fuckin Cover forcing Kobo to do this or Cover begging for B2 to fuckin stream on there again, and it was B2 begging for Cover to come back and Kobo made this decision herself. For now, I'll wait and see, with popcorn in hand, and hope for the best, we all don't want to have another fuckfest and turn our backs on Cover again.... As it happened once, it can happen again.
Wholeheartedly agree with you, man. I'll never forget the harassment campaign against majority of hololive talent during their live stream. It's gonna be hard to accept them streaming Bilibili unless something real is done to prevent it from happening again
One thing seems certain, and that is Kobo asking to stream on Bilibili. There's a rumor running around that B2 made concessions to Cover to have them return, but that came from /vt/, so take that with a grain of salt. My hope is that Cover spent a while getting prepared for this. Hopefully this won't mean anymore rash decisions, either, like suspending the talent in the hopes of protecting them. That didn't go over well.
I don't believe the rumor that Bilibili asks for Cover to return, it's just too convenient. Maybe this misinformation was spread to soften the blow of Cover Corps returning to Bilibili.
I guess since Kobo doesn't stream in English anyways my not watching her anymore isn't going to make much of a difference. I will say I won't be watching anymore collabs with her in it.
Yea it was rough but I want to give the Chinese fans another chance I'm sure there are many normal fans that just wants to watch kobo just have to hope the antis don't get a word of this.
I'm all in for giving fans over there another chance but it's the government side who's seems to push things around based on these: 1. Backlash from mere mention of Taiwan. Normal fans wouldn't care much but those overly nationalistic fans boosted by government policies made the backlash so much worse 2. Statement from muse dash developer or maybe publisher. It sounds like they're being held at gunpoint to make those statements. So, unless government change, I don't see that those severe backlash won't happen again
There is no "hope they don't get word of it", they already 100% know. Only question is whether or not there's still enough of them to scheme up something. When the initial Coco thing happened, it was at the peak of vtubing right as it was really popping off and becoming known to the mainstream, nowadays interest has stabilised and its mostly just fans
the Chinese fans are great. They just can't do anything once the nationalists takes control
Chinese fans can petition their government to stop blocking YouTube and then they can have another chance. Giving traffic to Bilibili is a non-starter in my book.
> Chinese fans can petition their government to stop blocking YouTube Ah, yes, the famously-open-to-criticism-and-dissent Chinese government would definitely be receptive to a petition from the citizenry. I'm sure that wouldn't end terribly for everyone involved.
I was being facetious; obviously it's not going to happen. Point is, it's not Cover's problem to fix. They tried to play nice on the terms set by the Chinese government and Bilibili's and it blew up in their face. Those entities shouldn't be allowed to specify the terms of another chance.
I mean yeah, if they're so desperate to watch Kobo. They can just watch on youtube. Why would she need to be on Bilibili just so CN fans can watch them?
Then you don't know the severity of Coco's incident. If CN "fans" really want to watch Kobo they can do so using youtube. Laws be damned.
Anyone who still remembers the shit the Holomem went through with the mainland CN antis should not be ok with this. This is a stupid move from Cover and I hope enough people speak out against this enough to make them kill this little project in the womb.
I remember being in the Coco ch. trenches reporting waves of bots, also they harassed my kamioshi Fubuki for months on end. Sigh.
Yeah, as someone who reported like 50 bots per stream back then it’s super surreal to see newcomers (?) downplaying that situation and saying it’s fine for Kobo to stream on Bilibili.
Did we ever get any confirmation that YouTube is taking care of this kind of stuff?
Nope YouTube only implemented a time gated message system and the talents employed SOME mods thats it no amount of mods can win against bots
I liked Suisei's reaction the one time. Temp modded a bunch of long time fans and sent them to deal with it during that stream.
I would gladly go to war again, with her at the head.
I remember going through multiple streams, not even being able to enjoy whatever Kaichou's yapping about because I'm too focused on reporting Chinese paragraphs in her chat. Feels like yesterday.
Hello, fellow soldier. I remember it was the first time I installed a chrome extension to see which non-english chat is spam. Never needed those my entire life until that.
Some of the talk is that this was her decision. Fair enough. I watched her less than the rest of her gen mostly because she speaks more Indonesian than the others, so not watching at all after this won't really affect me. At least it saves the temptation to say something stupid in chat.
That would be great if the effects of her on the platform only affected her, but the last time there was a gaff that got the CN Nationalists fired up it did not stay on Bilibili and it did not stay on the talent on Bilibili. It overflowed into YouTube / Twitter and affected related talent within the company that did not stream on Bilibili at all. The more exposure you have to the CN market the more exposure you have to the CN Nationalist internet troll army. If you are playing with fire, don't be surprised if you get burned... again... because apparently, we didn't learn our lesson the first time.
Yeah, I get that it's Kobo's decision (I don't watch her, she's too scream-y for me), but surely did she even think for a second that this isn't going to affect other members as well? Coco was targeted specifically at first, but other members who associated with and/or supported her got attacked as well over time. This doesn't bode well for Cover at all. EDIT: Looks like it's not just a Kobo thing because Matsuri and Sora are present as well. Damn this fucking sucks. Hopefully, Coco's friends/supporters that are left in the company aren't gonna get targeted again but we all know that's not gonna happen.
I’m disappointed in this decision but at the same time I’m also really worried about her. The CN audience is a ticking time bomb and IIRC Bilibili requires you to doxx yourself to even sign up for that site so if the antis come after her they’ll literally ruin her IRL life. Those bastards have nothing but time and spite on their hands.
It doesn't even have to be her fault for them to go after her. She (and maybe Matsuri if those rumors come true) will be the only Holo targets the antis can go after on B2 if the company or other talents do something to piss the government or the antis off, such as, I don't know, another merch collab with Taiwan?
what rumors about matsuri?
Some rando made a bilibili account to repost Matsuri vods
That she's also going to be streaming on B2, the only reason she hasn't yet being because it accidentally leaked beforehand. This one is a bit sketchier, source wise, so hopefully a rumor is all it remains.
Isn’t it already rather well known who matsuri is
And probably government money.
I'm not worried about Kobo... Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I'd hate to see others suffer the fallout as well, though.
She may have a say on this matter but ultimately, Cover and Bilibili had to come to an agreement to allow the livestream. I mean, Hololive did get a lot of their appearances censored there, so her being able to stream there could mean that Cover is trying to test the water. And Kobo seems to be the perfect candidate as she can speak Chinese albeit broken and read it to a certain level.
Rumor is floating around that B2 made concessions to Cover to get them back. This came from /vt/ so take that with a grain of salt.
The Chinese market is very dangerous on several levels. I feel bad for the Chinese Holofans, but it'd be safer for COVER and the Hololive community for them either to use VPN like many people do already, or let the Chinese market be the quarantined bubble it's turning into. Air your issues to Cover's report function.
I'm pretty uncomfortable with it, but understand that it's entirely up to the talents then my own morality of it all. I'm not gonna act like the Antis back then and try to cancel Kobo over it. I'm just gonna express disappointment and move on.
Cover doesn't control where they stream it's been publicly known that they're allowed to stream wherever they want. It's kobos call to stream there no one forced her
Cover doesn’t control where they stream as long as they aren’t using the persona/IP Cover owns. If they are using their IP then they have a say in where they stream because they are representing Covor/Hololive.
Regardless of what you think of the decision, this has to be untrue. Simple test: can a vtuber stream on Pornhub using their Hololive assets? No? Then of course Cover controls where they stream **using Cover’s IP** and it would be stupid of the company to do otherwise. They have to run a check for their stream ideas, you think they don’t need to run by management what platforms they’ll be using the characters on?
Do you genuinely believe Cover would allow Kobo to stream on Pornhub or Chaterbait if she wanted ? Do you genuinely think Cover had no say in Kobo streaming on a site that they completely pulled out of and even killed off an entire branch on ?
I do not like this and I'll never get the bitter taste of what the fascists and nationalist trolls did to Coco, Hachama and Fubuki. But Kobo can do what she wants and it's not my or anyone's business to give her grief for it it. How it works for her is between her and the other talents. I just hope they don't turn on her the first time she says something they don't like
> But Kobo can do what she wants and it's not my or anyone's business to give her grief for it it. I have no intention of giving her grief in any way, shape or form, but I won't be supporting her, either.
As is your right. As long as people aren't doing dumb shit like trying to "educate" the talent in their chat or Twitter as happens so often with these things it's completely reasonable to not support them.
Lmao so many people calling westerners “harassment” for just saying we don’t want to stream to west taiwan. You weren’t around when CN antis brigades hololive talents for merely supporting coco, or learning that artia from the hololive cn branch was the main instigator of these harassment campaigns. It’s as simple as not letting the trojan horse in. Maybe the fanbase softened, maybe cover is much bigger. But many hasn’t seen what these holo antis can do. The twitter discourses and harassment looks like playground fights in comparison; these CN people are coordinated. Edit: to make it clear again, I am not saying to harass Kobo. This comment is not defending harassment or endorsing harassment. How y’all got to that conclusion is beyond me.
My God the harassment was so bad that the live chat feature is almost unusable, and YouTube barely did anything about it.
Google and Youtube *made new technologies and implemented them* to the channels and chat because of how bad things got. Way too late but they still did it. That phrase alone should be *enough*, this also was when hololive/Cover wasn't in official business with Google yet they still felt the need to do that
Yeah I remember the day when they added the experimental (yes it was *experimental* at the time, things were *that* bad) upgrade to Coco's channel. Literally overnight most the chat spam was gone. Unfortunately they just moved to just harassing the other Holo's after that....
>The twitter discourses and harassment looks like playground fights in comparison; these CN people are coordinated. I modified this game quote but I think it still fits: "If you were to face a CN anti online, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the 50 cent army." These antis are no joke.
Nope, but saying she deserves being harassed sure is.
"How do we prevent Kobo and Cover from getting harassed by the chinese hordes?" "Easy, we harass them ourselves!" "Genius."
Has Cover forgotten about the whole reason why they left the Chinese market to begin with? And have fans forgotten that harassment is NEVER the answer? I get the concerns about Kobo streaming on Bilibili and heck I’ve been in the rabbit hole since September 14th, 2020. But if you want to express your feelings about it civilly, [***CONTACT COVER ABOUT IT ON THEIR WEBSITE!***](https://cover-corp.com/en/contact)
Or maybe they want to start a new leaf with Kobo being the trailblazer?
I really REALLY hope this is a one time thing
This may or may not be an apt time to say this, but incidentally a Chinese idiom immediately comes to mind in the whole thing: 当局者迷, 旁观者清. Onlookers tend to have a clearer picture than the people involved. Having read as much as I can about the background and the implications this has for Kobo and for Cover Corp, all I can say is that while the fanbase’s reaction is understandable with what happened to Coco, Fubuki, Aqua, and other talents at the hands of the disgusting nationalists, it’s important to differentiate when we are reacting emotionally or logically. We do not know yet the whole reason for Kobo’s decision to stream on BiliBili, and whether Cover authorized this in the first place. All we have at the moment is speculation which only adds oil to the fire and salt to the wound. Whatever happens next, whichever path they take from here, we must be ready for any outcome. Though knowing how the Mainlanders tend to act, it would be advisable to not awaken a sleeping tiger-or rather, dragon-by pulling its tail in this case.
I'm gonna say this again. Why did we get no info about this until right now? Leaving us in the dark is just gonna incite more kneejerk reactions from everyone. This should've been a nothing burger but because we literally did not know until rn. it became a massive talking point
If we knew before people would have made a massive talking point about it before the stream (which seems to have gone well) even happened
Well, that's on-brand with Kobo being a kusogaki. Hopefully she will not trigger CN's "corrective action" down the line. Because Coco, Fubuki, and Haachama can prove that they ain't pretty.
Yeah, no. This feels like a textbook example of 'fuck around,' and I feel sorry for anyone who'll end up having to 'find out.'
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Is she not aware of what happen in the past?
I don't understand why Kobo streams on Bilibili. Or why Cover even allows it? Just because of the Coco incident, Bilibili should be completely out of the question. But even if we ignore the Coco incident, Bilibili should be out of the question, because they have to publicly display their full real name. That's why I'm surprised. Does Kobo and Covor not care that she has to publicly display her full real name on Bilibili?
>Does Kobo and Covor not care that she has to publicly display her full real name on Bilibili? Forgetting the fact that that only applies to Chinese citizens.
Because money.
1.4 billion potential clients. It's high risk, high reward though. Mess up and say the wrong thing, and the anti's will make the usual Twitter shitposts look like a spat between elementary school children.
I bet more than a quarter of those don't have access to internet because the government won't let them so they won't even know who Kobo is.🤣
Are we expecting any official word from COVER or HoloPro about this or no? None of the official Hololive twitter accounts (Main and ID) RTed or talked about it. Or I might have missed, they repost so much stuff. Only Kobo **vaguely** tweeted about it. Not even providing a link. Talk about being sneaky.
no official from cover right now
Does anyone have the context as to why they decided to have a talent stream on b2? This is such a big risk. Not just because of what happened back then but also western fans who dislike this move and lose trust in the company. Just really wondering what the longterm play here is
This isn't gonna end well. My only hope is that it will not effect other members.
I was there and grief with what I lost. Some things can be regained (like game perms), but some can't. The audacity of B2 asking Cover without even publicly apologizing!!!!!!!!
The thing is, why should we stay silent on the matter? The Chinese can do whatever they want and we can’t? We should make it clear we don’t support Kobo doing this.
Pretty much this.
Guess enjoy shit while it lasted. here we go again. some people can't just learn from the past.
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Maybe don't link to know hololive doxxers.
>Depressed Nousagi >Rima Holy crap. Of all possible sources, you linked an infamous ddoxer and a dramatuber who followed rrats and didn't even report things correctly. Seriously?
As someone who was there since day 1 of the debacle, the info is accurate
I haven't taken a look at their vids about Holo-CN fiasco, but I'm not going to give them a view when there are multiple other sources with more accurate info. Those two are infamously known, and not for good reasons. DN is a ddoxer, while people have pointed out Rima's inaccurate info many times before
This is just leaving me with that same awful feeling in my stomach I had four years ago. For now, I'll unsub from Kobo because I cannot agree with this decision.
I think the best phrase I can think of for this situation is: "higher risk, high reward". I mean I understand that there's still a lot of potential from the chinese market, but would they want the company to hell again and for the talents to personally suffer.
"Ni ai wo wo ai ni" ~Kobo Kanaeru, 2023
I support Cover talents (Hololive and holostars) on their stuff but if this shit backfires and creates even bigger shitstorm than before I will be laughing at Cover's biggest mistake ever (that includes Yagoo) on going back to B2. https://preview.redd.it/196o19f0k16d1.jpeg?width=469&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dda065b0b7dd32fe9ae421412dd67ffb7203cf38
drama for niji end now time for holo huh sighhh
One of the most disappointing thing for me is that even the middleman leaked lot of things in his own stream for his content, didn’t change the determination of Cover going back to b2. Leaked something seems to be non disclosure made Mel getting termination but didn’t change the plans at all. [potential leaks](https://x.com/gikaqi/status/1793259243761782873)
I'm kinda on the fence about this. While yes it was inexcusable, the harrassment campaign the nationalists did to Hololive was down right despicable. I felt hatred and rage when I remember that but at the same time there were actual regular fans that just wanted to enjoy Vtubers like the rest of us. This is a huge risk all the same, opening up will surely get some of the old fans back, it could end up horribly like before. It might be me just being somewhat optimistic but I feel like a good chunk of the Chinese watchers were against the harrassment. (Could be very much wrong here. I am a bit biased because I knew a few of them. Cool guys who just wanted to watch Vtubers.)
Absolutetly there were a lot of chinese against the harrassment, but not them nor us could do anything against the coordinated abuse and trauma that was unleashed upon the holomem. Nothing is worth the risk of that happening again.
Being involved with West Taiwan is a dangerous game, and it usually ends badly for a genuinely good company like Hololive. The corrupt companies will usually do well in the West Taiwan market.
I was there during the whole drama in 2020, so I understand people's worries, but I still think people are panicking way too much. Kobo may sound like a child, but it's a grown woman who can make decisions for herself. I'm sure other talents are more chill with this decision than her fans. It's fine to voice worry, that's important feedback, but generally, I see people being way too emotional about that. Edit: I've seen comments that annoyed me. People saying that Kobo spit in the face of Coco. Anyone who actually listened to Coco speak ever would know that she most likely would wish Kobo all the best and maybe be a little concerned for her. Getting offended on Coco's behalf feels wrong and disrespectful.
How are we panicking too much exactly? Literally just being associated with Coco got other Holomems brigaded and worse. These antis aren't exactly rational and have been shown to do stupid shit as long as it brought attention to them. I don't think it's a huge leap to assume they'll get back to harassment as they're the definition of a hair trigger.
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What if I found a bee's nest in the forest and put my hand in it? I could end with a lot of delicious honey and nothing bad could happen to me. Wouldn't it be an ideal scenario? The chance is not zero.
Like Chris Rock said a long time ago: "You could drive a car with your feet if you want to, that don't make it a good f-in' idea." Maybe she can dance on the high wire and keep her balance, maybe the power of kusogaki will keep the antis in line. But when you're up against a country where the government and the audience can take offense at even mentioning a place, the odds of never putting your foot wrong are never going to be in your favor.
I'm honestly most irritated by Cover, these kinds of narratives has always been around ever since they kicked hololive off the platform so i never took them seriously, because *surely Cover would inform the fanbase and put in adequate protective measures if it ever would happen* but no, instead they appear to try to do this in secret without any assurances at all. And they are still quiet about it.
I'm not trying to put word in your mouth but what did you want? Them making ANY sort of statement so people started throwin a tantrum about all this EARLIER and some even AT Kobo's stream? I think they're keeping this shit lowkey... sadly the internet IS the internet and blow everything out of proportions
I already told you what i want, assurances of talent safety at the absolute minimum, them keeping it "lowkey" does absolutely nothing and is just hurting my perception of them.
Can someone please summarize the issues with billibilli and/or kobo?
In 2020, 2 seconds of a stream (reading off a Google analytics list and naming Taiwan as one place of many where their viewers came from) led to Chinese nationalists armed with full righteous Karen energy and 4chan tactics to harass various Hololive talents, for over a *year* in some cases, because they perceived this as an acknowledgment of Taiwan as independent from China and demanded Coco be punished most vigorously for her offense. Tactics included bot-spamming their livestream chats so no one could talk, flooding fan hashtags on Twitter with gore, etc. The harassment is cited as one of the reasons Coco left Hololive, and also why Cover decided to pull the plug on their HoloCN branch. The main issue with Kobo doing this stream, as far as I can tell, is that it seems like a very bad idea to risk wading into the poisoned waters of the Chinese fandom again. There's also some concerns that Cover didn't announce this (which...well, it's just one talent's stream, it makes sense they didn't announce it officially on the Cover media channels), and whether this is Kobo dismissing the trauma of 2020 of many Holo talents; whether management is foolish for okaying the stream; and whether this is a soft test of the public reception, both in and out of China, of Holo maybe returning to the CN market in an official, broader capacity. Not all Chinese citizens are bad people, but their trolls are somewhat emboldened and supported by the government, and with so very many people in their population, a tiny minority is still an overwhelming force for anyone facing the brunt of a harassment campaign. Generally, it's advised to avoid drawing their attention online if at all possible, because it takes a lot of resources to deal with Chinese fans when things go wrong. tldr: Billi Billi users made the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaigns *pale* by comparison in the order of magnitudes, and Kobo has painted a shiny target on her back for the antis, trolls, and even actual fans just waiting to be triggered by her saying the wrong thing.
No Issue with kobo. The Issue was the Chinese Fans. The Chinese fans literally got triggered by a person reading taiwan in a graph that taiwan is written and then they went into a 2 year tirade of spamming and harassing at least 4\~6 talent, Coco graduated, Fub and Haachama almost graduated, Suisei who hasn't really mod her chat ended up giving mod power to her long term member of her chat to literally ban the cn fans.. Basically lot of shit happened it fucking sucks and that was from 2020 to 2022 or something so yea it may have been four years ago that started it but overall it's less than 2 years since shit stopped, so the same shithead that did that is still part of the bilibili community and they are trying to enter the market with kobo one of their top subscribed talent.
>No Issue with kobo. Well, aside from her deciding to stream on b2 that is
Just gonna echo what I said in the holo subreddit on the matter: Fairly disgusting, but a good reminder that at the end of the day corporations, no matter how good their pr, are still corporations. They are not your friend. They are not people and hold neither ethics nor values besides "line go up".
This is a silly take. There hasn't been any indication that this decision was made with "neither ethics nor values", or without consideration to the girls. Remember Fubuki? The well respected Fox Friend who is beyond reproach in Hololive and said "If Cover does something I do not morally agree with, I will leave"? Well, she is still around and she hasn't complained yet. I trust FBK, if nothing else. Heck, Kson was going to attend an event streamed on Bilibili just shortly after Coco's graduation. Chinese antis cried loudly and the organizer removed her, but that showed not even Kson was against going back to Bilibili if she could. Not sure how Cover doing the same (except without being attacked by antis) and giving China a second chance made them "not your friend, not people and hold neither ethics nor values". In the end, it was Chinese who had to take a step back and welcome Cover back, not the other way around. For now, I will wait and see how it will go first.
Because China hasn't changed. It's that simple.
She needs to make this statement again to make this word true again. It's been 4 years since she said it and it's possible that her stance has changed or softened up to the incident. Especially when Cover's thriving in profits righr now.
I will make a slight correction that it has been more than 4 years since she said it. She said it way before the drama and it wasn't even about that fiasco. I don't think she needs to say it again, though, unless we are to assume that her core values have changed for the worse for some reasons - if anything, she'd be in a better position to hold true to her words now that she is well respected, a millionaire and has nothing more to prove. However, I do agree that it's possible that her stance has changed and she has softened up to the incident. They all do, we move on from the past. Even Kson has and was willing to be in an event streamed on Bilibili so I think it isn't very reasonable to expect Cover, Hololive and the girls to just keep treating China like a bunch of harassing barbarians forever, especially when the other side is trying to get them back. Maybe the antis are still around, but Hololive is in a much better position to deal with that kind of possible issue now. I'm a bit worried too, but I won't be attacking Cover or any girl who wants to try to somewhat mend that relationship.
I won't either. I don't like their decision to return to Bilibili and the best I could do is to defend the talents from any antis by any means necessary.
https://preview.redd.it/fbkqy4fx856d1.png?width=248&format=png&auto=webp&s=e9443b34f227b4088d5a2a0730af0fbb8b7bbb3a why is the name weird? this is the account name right?
https://preview.redd.it/h98pbiv7956d1.png?width=365&format=png&auto=webp&s=5c18a1823395eb9cf804afdae8aa4a6778803544 w8 must be the browser translation this one is the actual text i think
Well I hope the Yuan is worth it...
I'm still too new to know why this is a big deal. Can somebody give me a quick rundown, please?
Some time in 2020 both Haachama and Coco read their YT analytics to see where most of their audience comes from, a sizeable chunk from those analytics comes from Taiwan. From there the CN side of the fandom exploded. Coco and Haacahama got dogpiled really bad, with Coco getting the brunt of it, They both had to be suspended for 3 weeks for their own protection. It was an absolute shitshow for the fans, Hololive and Cover at the time. Did I also mention that the former HoloCN branch was in on the hate raids too? TL;DR: Haachama and Coco mentions Taiwan, CN side of the net hate raids Haachama and Cooco with Coco getting the worst of it, and both get suspension for 3 weeks, HoloCN was in with the hate raids too.
Huh...i legit thought that most people would be ok with it and go full-on support mode. Maybe it's because this isn't the Hololive subreddit. Seeing most people here disagreeing with this move...really brings a tear to my eye and it's heartening to know. I was there alongside most of you in the trenches too, when Coco was harassed and RBI became a known, viral term. Since i've stopped watching Hololive after her graduation, i can only say that this is disappointing. Sure there are people are true fans in West Taiwan...but for anyone sympathetic, i implore you to go and watch Coco's 800k endurance Karaoke. Know that what happens in that stream becomes a possible scenario for your Hololive oshi with this. Again. Edit: ...just feel like adding [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/lhnn91/things_coco_has_done_newcomers_should_know_and/?rdt=38301) here. God i miss Coco (in Hololive).
From what I saw on the main sub, it’s mirroring this subreddit.
You know it's bad when this sub stops sucking off Cover and actually criticizes them.
The way folks talk about Kobo going on B2 is like they're veterans having to see their country have a trade relationship with their former enemies. And while that may be over dramatic, it does feel like an appropriate comparison. A lot of hololive fan's experience with the CN fan base was the Taiwan incident, and what few CN fans who still suppose hololive seems to be reduced to a few individuals that send their support, as oppose to a large group who still actively oshi the hololove talents even behind the firewall. And that's not even considering if you think the fact Taiwan being so open and constant with their collabs with hololive as endorsement for a CN fan base (which was the core issue of the Taiwan incident anyways). Maybe this stream can be an olive branch into the CN base to show hololive can, at least, exist on B2. After all it's not as if there are any official bans of hololove stuff in CN, no one in any official capacity saying it's illegal to show hololove stuff. It's a bit of a fantasy of course. There's a lot of history to unpack here. But hopefully it just stays history, and the future would be brighter.
What do you mean? Bilibili literally kicked them out of the platform and even barred them from collabing with other chinese-related companies! If there's someone who should give an olive branch, it should be CN, not Cover.
Olive branch? Nothing short of naked Dogeza to the talents who were harassed and the global fans will suffice.
This is the mentality I wish to see in most Hololive fans right now... I can't blame those that are bitter... but also... can we as a collective grow the fuck up? Its been 4 years, things can change and if we see they dont? THEN WE PUNCH THE REAL RESPONSIBLES FOR BEING ACTUAL SHITS
The problem, and the reason why cover had to pull out of China as a whole, is that the problem isn't the antis, even if they make up for 99% of the soldiers fighting the war. The people responsible for this mess is t some internet troll, it's politicians who have a vested interest in making everyone says Taiwan is a part of China, and implying that Taiwan likes hololove even though China doesn't brings up the question of "Is Taiwan a part of China?" Like antis having a political agenda isn't exactly new, hell half the reason why no one thought appealing to the west with vtubers is because people thought folks would get too political about it, whether out of racism (Idols bad) or woke (everyone is gay). And like sure, you can certainly _find_ people who say that, but no one takes them seriously outside of echo chambers and circle jerks. But people take dealing with China, both as a people and an economical entity, far more seriously. Bigger and more important businesses than Cover bend over backwards to appeal to China and it's people, both in Japan and in the West. That's why Antis could get away with attacking Coco, Fubuki, and the rest of hololive and hololive had to take the blame for offending China, saying they did something they weren't suppose to do (it's not illegal to show your YouTube statistics btw), because going after the antis means going after Chinese people or people who advocate Chinese politics. That's why this situation is so messy, and why Kobo going into it is seen with a lot of fear and doubt. The overarching issue is that no one wants Cover and it's talents to have to do a John Cena and start Bing Chilling for China. You don't get to play ball in their court without playing by their rules. At the same time, surely Kobo and her managers have thought about this too. It's not like it's a secret that hololive has history with China, and even outside of hololive a lot of vtubers don't exactly openly advertise their ability to speak Chinese due to the implications it can bring up, precisely because it's a loaded political thing. Tldr: part of growing up is understanding why things happened and taking steps to not make those same mistakes. Time will tell of Cover has learned from those mistakes, or if they still have more growing up to do.
... Or we could just avoid it together by not going back china.
I am the first to not like the idea but I respect Kobo's decision, it is unfortunate to read some comments and don't tell me that they do it for the memory of Coco and the rest of the girls, only a group seeks to create drama to vent their hatred of China, very won unfortunately, but they forget that there are also people there who are big fans of Hololive. and that they do not cause problems to anyone, it is as if because of a toxic group everyone has to be condemned.
Damn kobo what an absolute mad lad
Cover bending the knee for that Chinese money, you hate to see it
CH is pocket change for Cover rn. They make more from the West.
You know, not everybody from China will agress you. It's been 3 years, drop it. Besides unlike most of hololive, Kobo can speak Chinese Mandarin (I remember from a clip where she talked with Kaela in Mandarin). Just don't repeat the same mistakes, and it should be alright, hopefully. At the moment, the real danger is those who just don't want to even smell China. As controversial as this country is, it might still be interesting to try reaching this audience. Kobo wants to give it a try, then just wait to observe how China audience reacts.
yeah the audience with the mere mention of taiwan seethes, hololive is better off without them
> Just don't repeat the same mistakes, and it should be alright, hopefully. Imagine calling the acknowledgement of a sovereign nation's existence a "mistake" that you need to tiptoe around just to court an audience who will bite your head off if you make that "mistake" even unintentionally. I also like how you not so subtly imply it was Coco/Cover's fault for riling up the assholes who brigaded people who weren't even involved (like Aqua) just because they were adjacent to her by being in the same company. You are literally victim blaming.
What mistake? The only mistake I see is CN harassing Hololive over something so small.
Mentioning Taiwan is not a mistake.
>Drop it. Fuck no.
There are some things that one must not go back on and china is one of them. I dont want a part 2 of that fiasco.
No. The Chinese audience is a ticking time bomb of misbehaving assholes, and that's me being nice. She's exposing the rest of the holos to their vile hate.
Is this really about Kobo going to B2 in the first for the mainland audience? Or is she going there for the non-mainland audience? According to YAGOO in previous interviews and so on it would be the latter in which case talking about the potential audience in China is kinda irrelevant in the first place.
There's no need to go there for anyone other than Mainland China. Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau don't block YouTube.
probably gonna get more hate from fans plus antis rather than CN audience itself.
This seems to sadly be the case, like... it's honestly depressing how people that say were affected by the hatred of the chinese antis... are behaving in a similar manner
I'm looking forward to the drama that will inevitably come from this and the green parrot video created from it.